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Beneath was the first thng that ever made me think of nuclear war and mutants.

Yes, we were fairly sheltered from it all down here in Australia.

Michael



You must have missed ON THE BEACH when you were a kid, mate!

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.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 7:32:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Ah fuck it all then, let's talk about US politics.

I tell you, if I get over 100 emails tomorrow and 80% are off topic I will send shitloads of obscenities.

I can only tolerate so much.

Michael


HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!<.html

Then why have you chosen to try and start one in public?

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Well, buddy, I just wanted to clarify for EVERYONE new to the group that
> bitch fights go private.
>
> Can I say bitch?
>
> Michael

You make some interesting points. I assume the same could be true of the chase in Beneath when Brent & Nova find the Subway station.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/24/02 11:05:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > You have an interesting point. And it does look similar on a map
> > turned sideways. But taking Planet by itself. How did the Statue of
> > Liberty get there? It's over 130 miles from New York Harbor to the
> > nearest point of Chesapeake Bay and over 200 miles for the
> > Virginia/North Carolina area. I'm interested in how you came to that
> > conclusion. Please explain.
> >
>
> The Statue of Liberty in PLANET is close to where it is now. (I would have
> to assume that the ocean level has dropped and that the Statue is off it's
> pedestal and resting just off Liberty Island.) The end of PLANET seems to
> show that Taylor just rides a few miles north and finds it, but just because
> it's shown in only a few cuts in the film doesn't mean Taylor and Nova
> haven't been on that horse for days. Films have to compress time for the
> sake of running time. For instance, in BENEATH after Brent and Nova hear the
> hum in the subway station it appears in the film as if they just take a short
> walk and there they are in Manhattan. Actually they would had to have walked
> for hours through the tunnels. The film could have better communicated this
> if there had been a dissolve between two or more of those shots of them
> walking through the tunnels, but the director didn't do it. By the way, have
> you ever noticed there's not one dissolve in PLANET? The film is all cuts.
>
> So, a further answer to your question is that Taylor had to ride close to a
> couple hundred miles up the coast to end up finding the Statue. Maybe one of
> the reason the makers of BENEATH moved everything up closer to New York was
> so that they wouldn't have to deal with the distances involved. The gorilla
> army would have had to have marched for weeks to get from where Ape City
> seems to be in PLANET to the ruined New York of BENEATH.
>
> -- Rory

Excellent points, Rory!

> Come on, T!!! You're in Texas, and I guess you're a Repulican, so you're not
> exactly unbiased. You know what I think? It doesn't matter who the hell is
> president. The office runs itself. This country survived fine Clinton's
> escapades, Reagan's naps, and Nixon's criminality, and there have been
> presidents in the past worse than them.
>
> -- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:30 PM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name

 

As for the ay-rabs responsible for 9/11 and their brothers in
arms, they fall into the catagory of the ignorant, much like Thade,
the purist.  See where it got him!

Uhh, yeeaah!  He escaped in one of the pods and took over the world. Was that the point you were trying to make?  That type A personalities land on there feet no matter where they are???

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:04 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

In a message dated 2/24/02 11:08:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I always wondered about that too. And how did Nova know where
Cornelius and Zira lived? Why would a government so fearful about
anyone discovering the truth about the past allow anyone to become an
Archeologist? How come Taylor or Brent never noticed the moon in the
night sky? Frankly you can go on and on and on.

I was going to bring up the moon thing.  Remember in PLANET Dodge mentions the cloud cover at night and that strange luminosity.  Of course, the filmmakers had to come up with this in order that the astronauts couldn't figure out right away where they were, but I've come to believe that in PLANET the earth has lost its moon and that the 'strange luminosity' could be cause by the reflected light coming from a debris ring around the earth.  A destroyed moon could also help explain the massive change in the landscape of North America, something a nuclear war alone wouldn't do.  The 'storm of meteors' that Taylor speculates on at the end of PLANET may have actually happened.

The remake of THE TIME MACHINE will feature a scene where the moon is destroyed.  I look forward to seeing what hapopens in that movie.

-- Rory

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You don't need to salvage your dignity Eileen. You never lost it. Your point was valid and doesn't need any explaination. :-)

--- In pota@y..., "Eileen Rankin" <emr1623@m...> wrote:
> I meant after the battle at Calima. After that, the rest is conjecture, unless you know something I don't (you probably do). Maybe he didn't get out. Maybe some other ape took over the world in Thade's honor and the statue was a memorial to his martyrdom. Hey! I'm grasping at straws here! Trying to salvage my dignity after being put squarely back in place! Actually, I so disliked the final scenes where Leo lands on Earth (????) that I usually cut the movie off after he climbs into the pod.
>
> Eileen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LordTZer0@A...
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:30 PM
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
>
>
>
> As for the ay-rabs responsible for 9/11 and their brothers in
> arms, they fall into the catagory of the ignorant, much like Thade,
> the purist. See where it got him!
>
>
> Uhh, yeeaah! He escaped in one of the pods and took over the world. Was that the point you were trying to make? That type A personalities land on there feet no matter where they are???
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 8:51:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

You make some interesting points. I assume the same could be true of the chase in Beneath when Brent & Nova find the Subway station.

And have you ever noticed in BENEATH that after Taylor finds the Statue of Liberty he should be only a short distance from Manhattan, but the title sequence and the flashback seem to show Taylor and Nova wondering the desert for forty day and forty nights -- and it never does show him seeing the ruined city!!!

Also, BENEATH does seem to indicate that Ape City would have to be on Long Island since when the gorilla army finally get to Manhattan they are viewing it from Brooklyn.  The ruins of the Brooklyn Bridge are right there in the lower right in that matte painting of the wrecked city.  So, how can Ape City be in New Jersey?

BENEATH is simply a mess of a movie.  A bloody mess!

-- Rory

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True Beneath is a mess. Originally, Taylor & Nova were supposed to be heading to the ruins of new york when the wall of fire appeared, but they couldn't afford the matte shot. Have you ever read the original script "POTA Revisited"? It's so much better than the final film.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/25/02 8:51:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > You make some interesting points. I assume the same could be true of the
> > chase in Beneath when Brent & Nova find the Subway station.
> >
>
> And have you ever noticed in BENEATH that after Taylor finds the Statue of
> Liberty he should be only a short distance from Manhattan, but the title
> sequence and the flashback seem to show Taylor and Nova wondering the desert
> for forty day and forty nights -- and it never does show him seeing the
> ruined city!!!
>
> Also, BENEATH does seem to indicate that Ape City would have to be on Long
> Island since when the gorilla army finally get to Manhattan they are viewing
> it from Brooklyn. The ruins of the Brooklyn Bridge are right there in the
> lower right in that matte painting of the wrecked city. So, how can Ape City
> be in New Jersey?
>
> BENEATH is simply a mess of a movie. A bloody mess!
>
> -- Rory

.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 2:32:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

True Beneath is a mess. Originally, Taylor & Nova were supposed to be heading to the ruins of new york when the wall of fire appeared, but they couldn't afford the matte shot. Have you ever read the original script "POTA Revisited"? It's so much better than the final film.

I do have a copy of that but it's been at least ten years since I read the whole thing.  I'll have to give it another look.

-- Rory<.html

It's FUCK OFF!

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2002 0:08
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
>
>
> Interesting, the made the same arguement in 1942 when
> Japanese-Americans were illegally detained. Sen. McCarthy made
> the same arguement in the '50s.
> >
> > A 70 year old man has the same chances as anyone else.
> > Because in the end, if you have nothing to hide, you have
> nothing to worry
> > about. And if your innocent and have nothing to hide, then the
> ones that
> > loose are them, for wasting all of that time and money.
> >
> > Security ain't cheap. And so what goes around, comes around.
> > So for me it's like water off a duck's back. :o)
> >
> > Best.
> > Al
> >
> >
> > _____

Fuck I'm sick of reading about politics.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2002 0:01
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
>
>
> I'm willing to drop it. You're the one that keeps it going. And
> I'm not confused. I choose to be ruled by the princples of the
> Bill of Rights, not by fear and racism. And, if you don't want to
> continue the thread; don't respond.
> >
> > Okay, now you are excited and confused. So just close your
> eyes and take a
> > few deep breaths and think of POTA. And drop the tread,
> maaaaan. Just Drop
> > IT!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html In a message dated 2/24/02 11:24:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Yes, and even if they counted swinging chads, hanging chads, pregnant chads, dimpled, pimpled, and acned chads, Gore still couldn't come up with enough votes to carry the state and the election.  I'd say he got more than a fair count.

Come on, T!!!  You're in Texas, and I guess you're a Repulican, so you're not exactly unbiased.  You know what I think?  It doesn't matter who the hell is president.  The office runs itself.  This country survived fine Clinton's escapades, Reagan's naps, and Nixon's criminality, and there have been presidents in the past worse than them.

-- Rory

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This ain't a bitch fight, it is you learning the rules.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2002 0:35
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Intolerance - Get Off The Air!!!!
>
>
> Then why have you chosen to try and start one in public?
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Well, buddy, I just wanted to clarify for EVERYONE new to the group that
> > bitch fights go private.
> >
> > Can I say bitch?
> >
> > Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Well lick my balls, I still don't have a clue what any of this shit has to
do with the lawgiver's name.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2002 0:19
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
>
>
> The terrorists hate us cause of our freedoms. If we give them up
> out of fear; they've won a greater victory than in any battle.
> Now you drop it.
> >
> > That doesn't mean we should line up like sheep for any
> religious kook who
> > wants to slit our throats. We are a nation of warriors!
> Freedom is won and
> > preserved and paid for with blood. And not just ours. You
> think those Brits
> > wanted to lets us have this country? Not until we k*lled
> enough of them to
> > get our point across.
> > Here's another quote for ya . . . The price of freedom is
> eternal vigilance!
> > Now drop it!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: LordTZer0@...

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:30 PM

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;-(

Michael Whitty wrote:

 Rory this is really fucking boring.Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [mailto:Haristas@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2002 0:14
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!
 

In a message dated 2/24/02 11:24:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:
 
 

Yes, and even if they counted swinging chads, hanging chads, pregnant chads, dimpled, pimpled, and acned chads, Gore still couldn't come up with enough votes to carry the state and the election.  I'd say he got more than a fair count.

Come on, T!!!  You're in Texas, and I guess you're a Repulican, so you're not exactly unbiased.  You know what I think?  It doesn't matter who the hell is president.  The office runs itself.  This country survived fine Clinton's escapades, Reagan's naps, and Nixon's criminality, and there have been presidents in the past worse than them.

-- Rory

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.html In a message dated 2/25/02 8:51:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

You make some interesting points. I assume the same could be true of the chase in Beneath when Brent & Nova find the Subway station.

And have you ever noticed in BENEATH that after Taylor finds the Statue of Liberty he should be only a short distance from Manhattan, but the title sequence and the flashback seem to show Taylor and Nova wondering the desert for forty day and forty nights -- and it never does show him seeing the ruined city!!!

Also, BENEATH does seem to indicate that Ape City would have to be on Long Island since when the gorilla army finally get to Manhattan they are viewing it from Brooklyn.  The ruins of the Brooklyn Bridge are right there in the lower right in that matte painting of the wrecked city.  So, how can Ape City be in New Jersey?

BENEATH is simply a mess of a movie.  A bloody mess!

-- Rory



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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian [apeman@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2002 7:49
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] US Politics - OT

You folks are making me wear out my delete key again.  (yawn)

;-(

Michael Whitty wrote:

 Rory this is really fucking boring.Michael 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [mailto:Haristas@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2002 0:14
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!

In a message dated 2/24/02 11:24:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:
 
 

Yes, and even if they counted swinging chads, hanging chads, pregnant chads, dimpled, pimpled, and acned chads, Gore still couldn't come up with enough votes to carry the state and the election.  I'd say he got more than a fair count.

Come on, T!!!  You're in Texas, and I guess you're a Repulican, so you're not exactly unbiased.  You know what I think?  It doesn't matter who the hell is president.  The office runs itself.  This country survived fine Clinton's escapades, Reagan's naps, and Nixon's criminality, and there have been presidents in the past worse than them.

-- Rory

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.html Is it possible to get a copy of the script I'd love to read it.
Brent G.


 02:35 PM 2/25/02 -0500, you wrote:

In a message dated 2/25/02 2:32:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

True Beneath is a mess. Originally, Taylor & Nova were supposed to be heading to the ruins of new york when the wall of fire appeared, but they couldn't afford the matte shot. Have you ever read the original script "POTA Revisited"? It's so much better than the final film.

I do have a copy of that but it's been at least ten years since I read the whole thing.  I'll have to give it another look.

-- Rory
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Really??? You seem pretty bitchy to me!

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> This ain't a bitch fight, it is you learning the rules.
>
> Michael

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Well lick my balls,

I think Yahoo has a group for that. Maybe you should look into it.

.html "Best job in the world", aye?  Who the heck have you been talking to?  I passed up the chance for that gig back in the 80's (nipple blush artist for Hefner)!
No, but seriously folks...

It's pretty dang cool having the privilege to do what we do here.  Having met and worked with many of my childhood heroes is a big plus!!!

The whole APEMANIA thing has added a glow to our studio that other workshops in town only wish they had.  I can't tell you how many people tell me (on a weekly basis) that they'd rather be working here than for Rick, or Stan, or some of the other larger shops.  Working here is fun and often exciting, especially when there's something "APE" going on.

There's a certain magic to Planet of the Apes and doing what we do with APEMANIA on the side has really made Make-up & Monsters Studios a fun place to be.
Making the lifesize displays in our downtime REALLY pumps that magic up too!  Everytime we get one finished, WOW!  I can't tell you how rewarding that feeling is.  The crew will stop and stare at the better ones in disbelief, and we're the folks making them.  So there's a lot of gratification in making the displays.  Each time we've put one up on eBay, people go ape-sh*t with bids.  I put one up yesterday and it's already got 19 bids. <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518384987>.

Hey, your from down under Mike and Ken, I got a call from someone at Fox saying that the Ursus mannequin is coming back to the states now and needs to be deodorized.  Did a kangaroo relieve itself on the poor devil?  What's up with that?  I guess we'll find out next month.

As far as it being the best job in the world?  I dunno, if you can call having you fingers in Jim Carrey's mouth or Mike Myers nose the best job, I guess I can say I've been there.  But every now and then, especially when you're slapping dungeon mud into Kevin Bacon's crotch, that nipple blush job at Hef's looks better and better.

Cheers,

Brian
 
 

Hi Brian
 
There are a lot of new folk here aching for you to tell them what it is like to have the best job in the world.
 
Can you fill them in please?
 
Michael
 

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BTW You guys at Apemania did a great job on the Behind the POTA DVD! Thank you!!
-- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:

> "Best job in the world", aye? Who the heck have you been talking to? I
> passed up the chance for that gig back in the 80's (nipple blush artist
> for Hefner)!
> No, but seriously folks...
>
> It's pretty dang cool having the privilege to do what we do here.
> Having met and worked with many of my childhood heroes is a big plus!!!
>
> The whole APEMANIA thing has added a glow to our studio that other
> workshops in town only wish they had. I can't tell you how many people
> tell me (on a weekly basis) that they'd rather be working here than for
> Rick, or Stan, or some of the other larger shops. Working here is fun
> and often exciting, especially when there's something "APE" going on.
>
> There's a certain magic to Planet of the Apes and doing what we do with
> APEMANIA on the side has really made Make-up & Monsters Studios a fun
> place to be.
> Making the lifesize displays in our downtime REALLY pumps that magic up
> too! Everytime we get one finished, WOW! I can't tell you how
> rewarding that feeling is. The crew will stop and stare at the better
> ones in disbelief, and we're the folks making them. So there's a lot of
> gratification in making the displays. Each time we've put one up on
> eBay, people go ape-sh*t with bids. I put one up yesterday and it's
> already got 19 bids.
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518384987>.
>
> Hey, your from down under Mike and Ken, I got a call from someone at Fox
> saying that the Ursus mannequin is coming back to the states now and
> needs to be deodorized. Did a kangaroo relieve itself on the poor
> devil? What's up with that? I guess we'll find out next month.
>
> As far as it being the best job in the world? I dunno, if you can call
> having you fingers in Jim Carrey's mouth or Mike Myers nose the best
> job, I guess I can say I've been there. But every now and then,
> especially when you're slapping dungeon mud into Kevin Bacon's crotch,
> that nipple blush job at Hef's looks better and better.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> Hi Brian
>
> There are a lot of new folk here aching for you to tell them what it is
> like to have the best job in the world.
>
> Can you fill them in please?
>
> Michael

.html Yeah, that was a fun gig.  Spooked the B-Jesus out of the horses off camera though, but fun day just the same.
Hey Alex,  I should probably send you the raw footage from that day for your compilation DVD, shouldn't I?

B

james611102 wrote:

BTW You guys at Apemania did a great job on the Behind the POTA DVD! Thank you!!

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.html When Dodge says there's no moon, he is basing his assumption on less than 72 hours of observation. It's possible the ship landed during the new moon which, coupled with the cloud cover, could keep it from being seen for that long.

Of course, the moon IS there. Remember that Cornelius says, "You can't ride along the shore at high tide and we had no boats on our last expedition." Without a moon, there wouldn't be tides.

ABMAC

on 2/25/02 7:04 AM, Haristas@... at Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/24/02 11:08:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I always wondered about that too. And how did Nova know where
Cornelius and Zira lived? Why would a government so fearful about
anyone discovering the truth about the past allow anyone to become an
Archeologist? How come Taylor or Brent never noticed the moon in the
night sky? Frankly you can go on and on and on.

I was going to bring up the moon thing.  Remember in PLANET Dodge mentions the cloud cover at night and that strange luminosity.  Of course, the filmmakers had to come up with this in order that the astronauts couldn't figure out right away where they were, but I've come to believe that in PLANET the earth has lost its moon and that the 'strange luminosity' could be cause by the reflected light coming from a debris ring around the earth.  A destroyed moon could also help explain the massive change in the landscape of North America, something a nuclear war alone wouldn't do.  The 'storm of meteors' that Taylor speculates on at the end of PLANET may have actually happened.

The remake of THE TIME MACHINE will feature a scene where the moon is destroyed.  I look forward to seeing what hapopens in that movie.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 3:38:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Rory this is really fucking boring.

Michael



Hey, I didn't start it, and it seems no one can stop it.  Too bad we can't go back in time and shoot them in their cribs!  "Somebody has to begin to care!"

-- Rory<.html

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By the way, have you ever noticed there's not one dissolve in PLANET?  The film is all cuts.

There should have been a couple of them too.
Dissolves are used to show the passage of time and one before the cage monologue and some in the Forbidden Zone journeys would have worked nicely.<.html

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.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 4:53:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:

Making the lifesize displays in our downtime REALLY pumps that magic up too!  Everytime we get one finished, WOW!  I can't tell you how rewarding that feeling is.  The crew will stop and stare at the better ones in disbelief, and we're the folks making them.  So there's a lot of gratification in making the displays.  Each time we've put one up on eBay, people go ape-sh*t with bids.  I put one up yesterday and it's already got 19 bids. <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518384987

>.

That's pretty cool, Brian, but how about a lifesize display of Dr. Zaius modeled after the attached photo?   Now that would really make me go ape!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 6:01:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

When Dodge says there's no moon, he is basing his assumption on less than 72 hours of observation. It's possible the ship landed during the new moon which, coupled with the cloud cover, could keep it from being seen for that long.

Of course, the moon IS there. Remember that Cornelius says, "You can't ride along the shore at high tide and we had no boats on our last expedition." Without a moon, there wouldn't be tides.

ABMAC

Well, you've got me there.  Those guys who made PLANET really should have watched things like that.  Oh well, it's just a movie and they all require 'suspension of disbelief.'  Don't you agree?

-- Rory<.html

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You're in Texas, and I guess you're a Repulican, so you're not exactly unbiased.

Well you guessed WRONG.  I am not a Republican.  I'm an Independent.  I don't vote along party lines.  I have a mind!  Not only can this man Think!  He can REASON!  In fact I voted for Clinton the first go round.  Then when he betrayed his country I voted for Dole.  That is my last word on the subject of politics.  Unless someone wants to discuss Ape Politics.  This thread is decidedly BOOOOORING!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 6:21:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

By the way, have you ever noticed there's not one dissolve in PLANET?  The film is all cuts.

There should have been a couple of them too.
Dissolves are used to show the passage of time and one before the cage monologue and some in the Forbidden Zone journeys would have worked nicely.


I have to agree with you there, T.  Obviously Schaffner was going for something using nothing but cuts (there's also an awful lot of zooms), but since he's dead now no one will ever be able to ask him about it.  Sad.

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(there's also an awful lot of zooms)

That virtual Jump Cut to a tight shot from the council to Zaius after finding Landon was lobotomized always bothered me.  It completely ignores the 30 degree rule.  It could've been a very effect zoom.  But perhaps he felt that the then unconventional editing would give the audience the feeling of confusion that Heston's character must have been feeling.<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:57 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ohh,... to be the Bri...

"Best job in the world", aye?  Who the heck have you been talking to?  I passed up the chance for that gig back in the 80's (nipple blush artist for Hefner)!
No, but seriously folks...

It's pretty dang cool having the privilege to do what we do here.  Having met and worked with many of my childhood heroes is a big plus!!!

The whole APEMANIA thing has added a glow to our studio that other workshops in town only wish they had.  I can't tell you how many people tell me (on a weekly basis) that they'd rather be working here than for Rick, or Stan, or some of the other larger shops.  Working here is fun and often exciting, especially when there's something "APE" going on.

There's a certain magic to Planet of the Apes and doing what we do with APEMANIA on the side has really made Make-up & Monsters Studios a fun place to be.
Making the lifesize displays in our downtime REALLY pumps that magic up too!  Everytime we get one finished, WOW!  I can't tell you how rewarding that feeling is.  The crew will stop and stare at the better ones in disbelief, and we're the folks making them.  So there's a lot of gratification in making the displays.  Each time we've put one up on eBay, people go ape-sh*t with bids.  I put one up yesterday and it's already got 19 bids. <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518384987>.

Hey, your from down under Mike and Ken, I got a call from someone at Fox saying that the Ursus mannequin is coming back to the states now and needs to be deodorized.  Did a kangaroo relieve itself on the poor devil?  What's up with that?  I guess we'll find out next month.

As far as it being the best job in the world?  I dunno, if you can call having you fingers in Jim Carrey's mouth or Mike Myers nose the best job, I guess I can say I've been there.  But every now and then, especially when you're slapping dungeon mud into Kevin Bacon's crotch, that nipple blush job at Hef's looks better and better.

Cheers,

Brian
 
 

Hi Brian
 
There are a lot of new folk here aching for you to tell them what it is like to have the best job in the world.
 
Can you fill them in please?
 
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.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 7:08:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

(there's also an awful lot of zooms)

That virtual Jump Cut to a tight shot from the council to Zaius after finding Landon was lobotomized always bothered me.  It completely ignores the 30 degree rule.  It could've been a very effect zoom.  But perhaps he felt that the then unconventional editing would give the audience the feeling of confusion that Heston's character must have been feeling.


Do you mean that close-up of Zaius when Taylor utters the immortal line, "You cut up his brain, you bloody baboon!"?  I love that moment in the film.  Maybe Schaffner and the editor felt the audience needed to know to which bloody baboon Taylor was referring.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:57 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ohh,... to be the Bri...

"Best job in the world", aye?  Who the heck have you been talking to?  I passed up the chance for that gig back in the 80's (nipple blush artist for Hefner)!
No, but seriously folks...

It's pretty dang cool having the privilege to do what we do here.  Having met and worked with many of my childhood heroes is a big plus!!!

The whole APEMANIA thing has added a glow to our studio that other workshops in town only wish they had.  I can't tell you how many people tell me (on a weekly basis) that they'd rather be working here than for Rick, or Stan, or some of the other larger shops.  Working here is fun and often exciting, especially when there's something "APE" going on.

There's a certain magic to Planet of the Apes and doing what we do with APEMANIA on the side has really made Make-up & Monsters Studios a fun place to be.
Making the lifesize displays in our downtime REALLY pumps that magic up too!  Everytime we get one finished, WOW!  I can't tell you how rewarding that feeling is.  The crew will stop and stare at the better ones in disbelief, and we're the folks making them.  So there's a lot of gratification in making the displays.  Each time we've put one up on eBay, people go ape-sh*t with bids.  I put one up yesterday and it's already got 19 bids. <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518384987>.

Hey, your from down under Mike and Ken, I got a call from someone at Fox saying that the Ursus mannequin is coming back to the states now and needs to be deodorized.  Did a kangaroo relieve itself on the poor devil?  What's up with that?  I guess we'll find out next month.

As far as it being the best job in the world?  I dunno, if you can call having you fingers in Jim Carrey's mouth or Mike Myers nose the best job, I guess I can say I've been there.  But every now and then, especially when you're slapping dungeon mud into Kevin Bacon's crotch, that nipple blush job at Hef's looks better and better.

Cheers,

Brian
 
 

Hi Brian
 
There are a lot of new folk here aching for you to tell them what it is like to have the best job in the world.
 
Can you fill them in please?
 
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Thank the Lawgiver!!! I hope it's the last word. For someone that wants to end this thread you always seem to be extending it.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> That is my last word on the subject
> of politics. Unless someone wants to discuss Ape Politics. This thread is
> decidedly BOOOOORING!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Your Name

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

When Dodge says there's no moon, he is basing his assumption on less than 72 hours of observation. It's possible the ship landed during the new moon which, coupled with the cloud cover, could keep it from being seen for that long.

Of course, the moon IS there. Remember that Cornelius says, "You can't ride along the shore at high tide and we had no boats on our last expedition." Without a moon, there wouldn't be tides.

ABMAC

on 2/25/02 7:04 AM, Haristas@... at Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/24/02 11:08:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I always wondered about that too. And how did Nova know where
Cornelius and Zira lived? Why would a government so fearful about
anyone discovering the truth about the past allow anyone to become an
Archeologist? How come Taylor or Brent never noticed the moon in the
night sky? Frankly you can go on and on and on.

I was going to bring up the moon thing.  Remember in PLANET Dodge mentions the cloud cover at night and that strange luminosity.  Of course, the filmmakers had to come up with this in order that the astronauts couldn't figure out right away where they were, but I've come to believe that in PLANET the earth has lost its moon and that the 'strange luminosity' could be cause by the reflected light coming from a debris ring around the earth.  A destroyed moon could also help explain the massive change in the landscape of North America, something a nuclear war alone wouldn't do.  The 'storm of meteors' that Taylor speculates on at the end of PLANET may have actually happened.

The remake of THE TIME MACHINE will feature a scene where the moon is destroyed.  I look forward to seeing what hapopens in that movie.

-- Rory
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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 3:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!

You're in Texas, and I guess you're a Repulican, so you're not exactly unbiased.

Well you guessed WRONG.  I am not a Republican.  I'm an Independent.  I don't vote along party lines.  I have a mind!  Not only can this man Think!  He can REASON!  In fact I voted for Clinton the first go round.  Then when he betrayed his country I voted for Dole.  That is my last word on the subject of politics.  Unless someone wants to discuss Ape Politics.  This thread is decidedly BOOOOORING!

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In film cuts are more dramatic and more effective at building tension. Dissolves have a more soothing effect. Maybe that's what Schaffner was going off.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> I have to agree with you there, T. Obviously Schaffner was going for
> something using nothing but cuts (there's also an awful lot of zooms), but
> since he's dead now no one will ever be able to ask him about it. Sad.
>
> -- Rory

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Yeah, but what happens if there's 4 moons?

Everybody here 'moon' Jeff!   Always with the jokes, Veetus!  You walking pestilence!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 3:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

In a message dated 2/25/02 6:21:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

By the way, have you ever noticed there's not one dissolve in PLANET?  The film is all cuts.

There should have been a couple of them too.
Dissolves are used to show the passage of time and one before the cage monologue and some in the Forbidden Zone journeys would have worked nicely.

I have to agree with you there, T.  Obviously Schaffner was going for something using nothing but cuts (there's also an awful lot of zooms), but since he's dead now no one will ever be able to ask him about it.  Sad.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 7:53:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

   They probably could'nt afford dissolves. Fox said, " Hey, you guys were the ones who wanted to spend $1 million for makeup on this vanity project for Jacobs! Sci-fi doesn't sell. By the way, when's he gonna deliver that "Dr. Dolittle"? The theatres are getting antsy".                                             - - - Jeff

Veetus, Veetus, Veetus. . . . You and your huggermugger!<.html

Funny that reminds me of Mary McGory's hysterical comment about the ending of the remake that the Apes really took over Washington in January 2001.

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> You voted for Dole? If he'd won I guess that means we would've had a banana republic. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Well, that's my contribution to the political discussion.
>
> - - - Jeff

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:-)

veetus@... wrote:

    Why would you want to do Hef's nipples? His nipples aren't so great. At least with Jim Carrey's mouth, if you get paid by the hour you could make a lot of money.                                    - - - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:57 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ohh,... to be the Bri...

 "Best job in the world", aye?  Who the heck have you been talking to?  I passed up the chance for that gig back in the 80's (nipple blush artist for Hefner)!
No, but seriously folks...

It's pretty dang cool having the privilege to do what we do here.  Having met and worked with many of my childhood heroes is a big plus!!!

The whole APEMANIA thing has added a glow to our studio that other workshops in town only wish they had.  I can't tell you how many people tell me (on a weekly basis) that they'd rather be working here than for Rick, or Stan, or some of the other larger shops.  Working here is fun and often exciting, especially when there's something "APE" going on.

There's a certain magic to Planet of the Apes and doing what we do with APEMANIA on the side has really made Make-up & Monsters Studios a fun place to be.
Making the lifesize displays in our downtime REALLY pumps that magic up too!  Everytime we get one finished, WOW!  I can't tell you how rewarding that feeling is.  The crew will stop and stare at the better ones in disbelief, and we're the folks making them.  So there's a lot of gratification in making the displays.  Each time we've put one up on eBay, people go ape-sh*t with bids.  I put one up yesterday and it's already got 19 bids. <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518384987>.

Hey, your from down under Mike and Ken, I got a call from someone at Fox saying that the Ursus mannequin is coming back to the states now and needs to be deodorized.  Did a kangaroo relieve itself on the poor devil?  What's up with that?  I guess we'll find out next month.

As far as it being the best job in the world?  I dunno, if you can call having you fingers in Jim Carrey's mouth or Mike Myers nose the best job, I guess I can say I've been there.  But every now and then, especially when you're slapping dungeon mud into Kevin Bacon's crotch, that nipple blush job at Hef's looks better and better.

Cheers,

Brian
 
 

Hi Brian

There are a lot of new folk here aching for you to tell them what it is like to have the best job in the world.

Can you fill them in please?

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.html Wow!  A collector's item?  Really?  Cool!
Thanks!

B

Ken and Heather Taylor wrote:

 They shut that exhibit down along with the rest of the Fox Studios Backlot 'attraction' (which was a contradiction in terms). So that makes that postcard I sent you Brian, a real collectors' item.Best,KEN  ----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:57 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ohh,... to be the Bri...

 "Best job in the world", aye?  Who the heck have you been talking to?  I passed up the chance for that gig back in the 80's (nipple blush artist for Hefner)!
No, but seriously folks...

It's pretty dang cool having the privilege to do what we do here.  Having met and worked with many of my childhood heroes is a big plus!!!

The whole APEMANIA thing has added a glow to our studio that other workshops in town only wish they had.  I can't tell you how many people tell me (on a weekly basis) that they'd rather be working here than for Rick, or Stan, or some of the other larger shops.  Working here is fun and often exciting, especially when there's something "APE" going on.

There's a certain magic to Planet of the Apes and doing what we do with APEMANIA on the side has really made Make-up & Monsters Studios a fun place to be.
Making the lifesize displays in our downtime REALLY pumps that magic up too!  Everytime we get one finished, WOW!  I can't tell you how rewarding that feeling is.  The crew will stop and stare at the better ones in disbelief, and we're the folks making them.  So there's a lot of gratification in making the displays.  Each time we've put one up on eBay, people go ape-sh*t with bids.  I put one up yesterday and it's already got 19 bids. <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518384987>.

Hey, your from down under Mike and Ken, I got a call from someone at Fox saying that the Ursus mannequin is coming back to the states now and needs to be deodorized.  Did a kangaroo relieve itself on the poor devil?  What's up with that?  I guess we'll find out next month.

As far as it being the best job in the world?  I dunno, if you can call having you fingers in Jim Carrey's mouth or Mike Myers nose the best job, I guess I can say I've been there.  But every now and then, especially when you're slapping dungeon mud into Kevin Bacon's crotch, that nipple blush job at Hef's looks better and better.

Cheers,

Brian
 
 

Hi Brian

There are a lot of new folk here aching for you to tell them what it is like to have the best job in the world.

Can you fill them in please?

Michael
 

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.html What?  You didn't like the last one we did? <http://apemania.com/AUTHENTIC_RESTORATIONS/ORANGS/3454.jpg>

Yah just can't please all the monkey people these days, can yah?

(:-/

Haristas@... wrote:
 
That's pretty cool, Brian, but how about a lifesize display of Dr. Zaius modeled after the attached photo?   Now that would really make me go ape!

-- Rory
 
 
 

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What?  You didn't like the last one we did? <http://apemania.com/AUTHENTIC_RESTORATIONS/ORANGS/3454.jpg

> Yah just can't please all the monkey people these days, can yah? (:-/



Yeah, that one is great, but I'm talking about doing just a bust version.

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----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:50 PM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name

 

You don't need to salvage your dignity Eileen. You never lost it. Your point was valid and doesn't need any explaination. :-)
--- In pota@y..., "Eileen Rankin" <emr1623@m...> wrote:
> I meant after the battle at Calima.  After that, the rest is conjecture, unless you know something I don't (you probably do).  Maybe he didn't get out.  Maybe some other ape took over the world in Thade's honor and the statue was a memorial to his martyrdom.  Hey! I'm grasping at straws here!  Trying to salvage my dignity after being put squarely back in place!  Actually, I so disliked the final scenes where Leo lands on Earth (????) that I usually cut the movie off after he climbs into the pod.
>
> Eileen 
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:30 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
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> As for the ay-rabs responsible for 9/11 and their brothers in 
> arms, they fall into the catagory of the ignorant, much like Thade, 
> the purist.  See where it got him!
>
>
> Uhh, yeeaah!  He escaped in one of the pods and took over the world. Was that the point you were trying to make?  That type A personalities land on there feet no matter where they are??? 
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You're very welcome Eileen:-)

--- In pota@y..., "Eileen Rankin" <emr1623@m...> wrote:
> Thank You James611102
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: james611102
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:50 PM
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> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
>
> You don't need to salvage your dignity Eileen. You never lost it. Your point was valid and doesn't need any explaination. :-)
> --- In pota@y..., "Eileen Rankin" <emr1623@m...> wrote:
> > I meant after the battle at Calima. After that, the rest is conjecture, unless you know something I don't (you probably do). Maybe he didn't get out. Maybe some other ape took over the world in Thade's honor and the statue was a memorial to his martyrdom. Hey! I'm grasping at straws here! Trying to salvage my dignity after being put squarely back in place! Actually, I so disliked the final scenes where Leo lands on Earth (????) that I usually cut the movie off after he climbs into the pod.
> >
> > Eileen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: LordTZer0@A...
> > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:30 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lawgiver's name
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> > As for the ay-rabs responsible for 9/11 and their brothers in
> > arms, they fall into the catagory of the ignorant, much like Thade,
> > the purist. See where it got him!
> >
> >
> > Uhh, yeeaah! He escaped in one of the pods and took over the world. Was that the point you were trying to make? That type A personalities land on there feet no matter where they are???
> >
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Just wondering what Collectables everyone has. And is there one or two pieces that you hold above all the others?

.html Ahhhhhh the BUST Version!  Well, why didn't you say so?!

Putting the final hairwork on a DELUXE model as we speak.  Also an HONORIUS as well.  Should have pictures posted in a few days.

Cheers,

Brian

Haristas@... wrote:

 In a message dated 2/25/02 8:23:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

What?  You didn't like the last one we did? <http://apemania.com/AUTHENTIC_RESTORATIONS/ORANGS/3454.jpg> Yah just can't please all the monkey people these days, can yah? (:-/
 

Yeah, that one is great, but I'm talking about doing just a bust version.

-- Rory

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In a message dated 2/25/02 2:41:24 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<< I do have a copy of that but it's been at least ten years since I read the
whole thing. I'll have to give it another look. >>

Rory,

I'll trade you a copy of the Planet of the Men script for that.

Matt

In a message dated 2/25/02 7:56:01 AM, Haristas@... writes:

<< The Statue of Liberty in PLANET is close to where it is now. (I would
have
to assume that the ocean level has dropped and that the Statue is off it's
pedestal and resting just off Liberty Island.) The end of PLANET seems to
show that Taylor just rides a few miles north and finds it, but just because
it's shown in only a few cuts in the film doesn't mean Taylor and Nova
haven't been on that horse for days. >>

One thing that makes me think that Taylor's discovery of Lady Liberty happens
in a relative short time after he escapes from Zaius and crew is the fact
that he is still clean shaven. I doubt he would be shaving every day if he
was on the run with Nova.

He is also still clean shaven at the beginning of BENEATH. And when he and
Brent finally hook up, he is still clean shaven. I doubt Negro would have
given him a razor to shave with while he had Taylor in his custody.

What does this all mean? Just sloppy filmmaking I suppose. But that doesn't
make it any less enjoyable for me.

Matt

Some company just released a 12 inch Hitler action figure/doll. A friend of
mine did a review of it on his web page. If you want to check it out, you can
do that here:

http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_022502.htm

Matt

Like I've stated in the past, I can see arguments for both timeline theories,
but to me the one that is most enjoyable is the circular one. This is the way
I've always looked at the films ever since I first saw them at a very young
age. I thought the ending of CONQUEST was a shocker and probably the most
sophisticated thing my 6 year old mind had seen at the time. I thought it was
extremely clever that Taylor's initial voyage was responsible for the whole
POTA. I guess I was too young to overthink the scientific possibilities of it
all and too lazy now to change my mind. I am not saying that the circular
time line is the best one, it's just the one that works best and is the most
fun for me personally.

I also like to think that the TV show fits into the same time line as the
film. It has been stated here recently that TV shows that are spinoffs of
films are always separate (MASH, The Odd Couple, etc) but I think that since
the TV show is set in a different time period (after BATTLE and before POTA)
than the original films and features all new characters that it was designed
to be part of the same saga. Both the MASH movie and TV show have characters
named Hawkeye Pierce and Trapper John, but the portrayals are so different
that they can hardly be considered from the same "universe" (and besides,
Hawkeye goes home at the end of the film while Trapper stays in Korea).

I even like to think that perhaps Virdon was considered to head up the ANSA
colonization mission that ultimately went to Taylor, but was passed over
because of his attachment to his family and a key member of his crew (Burke)
was too young and inexperienced to go on such an important mission. Again,
this is just my opinion, and offers me the most enjoyment of the films and TV
show as a whole.

Toodles,

Matt

I have to agree. Rory does have a valid point that the map resembles Cheasapeke Bay sideways; it's just a little too convaluted for to accept. There's nothing in any of the Making of books about the map. If anyone has some background on it; I'd love tonhear it.

--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/25/02 7:56:01 AM, Haristas@a... writes:
>
> << The Statue of Liberty in PLANET is close to where it is now. (I would
> have
> to assume that the ocean level has dropped and that the Statue is off it's
> pedestal and resting just off Liberty Island.) The end of PLANET seems to
> show that Taylor just rides a few miles north and finds it, but just because
> it's shown in only a few cuts in the film doesn't mean Taylor and Nova
> haven't been on that horse for days. >>
>
> One thing that makes me think that Taylor's discovery of Lady Liberty happens
> in a relative short time after he escapes from Zaius and crew is the fact
> that he is still clean shaven. I doubt he would be shaving every day if he
> was on the run with Nova.
>
> He is also still clean shaven at the beginning of BENEATH. And when he and
> Brent finally hook up, he is still clean shaven. I doubt Negro would have
> given him a razor to shave with while he had Taylor in his custody.
>
> What does this all mean? Just sloppy filmmaking I suppose. But that doesn't
> make it any less enjoyable for me.
>
> Matt

Send me all you got, Brian, and I promise you it will all be on an original
POTA DVD. I really want to make one badly. I'm searching through my tapes
now to see what I have on the original.

Thanks and Best.
Al

>From: Brian <apeman@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ohh,... to be the Bri...
>Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:19:20 -0800
>
>Yeah, that was a fun gig. Spooked the B-Jesus out of the horses off camera
>though,
>but fun day just the same.
>Hey Alex, I should probably send you the raw footage from that day for
>your
>compilation DVD, shouldn't I?
>
>B
>
>james611102 wrote:
>
> > BTW You guys at Apemania did a great job on the Behind the POTA DVD!
>Thank you!!

_____

Agreed. Both theories have pros and cons. It's just a matter of personal interpretation. Neither is right or wrong.

--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
> Like I've stated in the past, I can see arguments for both timeline theories,
> but to me the one that is most enjoyable is the circular one. This is the way
> I've always looked at the films ever since I first saw them at a very young
> age. I thought the ending of CONQUEST was a shocker and probably the most
> sophisticated thing my 6 year old mind had seen at the time. I thought it was
> extremely clever that Taylor's initial voyage was responsible for the whole
> POTA. I guess I was too young to overthink the scientific possibilities of it
> all and too lazy now to change my mind. I am not saying that the circular
> time line is the best one, it's just the one that works best and is the most
> fun for me personally.
>
> I also like to think that the TV show fits into the same time line as the
> film. It has been stated here recently that TV shows that are spinoffs of
> films are always separate (MASH, The Odd Couple, etc) but I think that since
> the TV show is set in a different time period (after BATTLE and before POTA)
> than the original films and features all new characters that it was designed
> to be part of the same saga. Both the MASH movie and TV show have characters
> named Hawkeye Pierce and Trapper John, but the portrayals are so different
> that they can hardly be considered from the same "universe" (and besides,
> Hawkeye goes home at the end of the film while Trapper stays in Korea).
>
> I even like to think that perhaps Virdon was considered to head up the ANSA
> colonization mission that ultimately went to Taylor, but was passed over
> because of his attachment to his family and a key member of his crew (Burke)
> was too young and inexperienced to go on such an important mission. Again,
> this is just my opinion, and offers me the most enjoyment of the films and TV
> show as a whole.
>
> Toodles,
>
> Matt

Don't listen, T!

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:06 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Round and Round We Go!


> Funny that reminds me of Mary McGory's hysterical comment about the ending
of the remake that the Apes really took over Washington in January 2001.
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > You voted for Dole? If he'd won I guess that means we would've had a
banana republic. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Well, that's my contribution to the
political discussion.
> >
> > - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:21 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ohh,... to be the Bri...

Wow!  A collector's item?  Really?  Cool!
Thanks!

B

Ken and Heather Taylor wrote:

 They shut that exhibit down along with the rest of the Fox Studios Backlot 'attraction' (which was a contradiction in terms). So that makes that postcard I sent you Brian, a real collectors' item.Best,KEN  ----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:57 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ohh,... to be the Bri...

 "Best job in the world", aye?  Who the heck have you been talking to?  I passed up the chance for that gig back in the 80's (nipple blush artist for Hefner)!
No, but seriously folks...

It's pretty dang cool having the privilege to do what we do here.  Having met and worked with many of my childhood heroes is a big plus!!!

The whole APEMANIA thing has added a glow to our studio that other workshops in town only wish they had.  I can't tell you how many people tell me (on a weekly basis) that they'd rather be working here than for Rick, or Stan, or some of the other larger shops.  Working here is fun and often exciting, especially when there's something "APE" going on.

There's a certain magic to Planet of the Apes and doing what we do with APEMANIA on the side has really made Make-up & Monsters Studios a fun place to be.
Making the lifesize displays in our downtime REALLY pumps that magic up too!  Everytime we get one finished, WOW!  I can't tell you how rewarding that feeling is.  The crew will stop and stare at the better ones in disbelief, and we're the folks making them.  So there's a lot of gratification in making the displays.  Each time we've put one up on eBay, people go ape-sh*t with bids.  I put one up yesterday and it's already got 19 bids. <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518384987>.

Hey, your from down under Mike and Ken, I got a call from someone at Fox saying that the Ursus mannequin is coming back to the states now and needs to be deodorized.  Did a kangaroo relieve itself on the poor devil?  What's up with that?  I guess we'll find out next month.

As far as it being the best job in the world?  I dunno, if you can call having you fingers in Jim Carrey's mouth or Mike Myers nose the best job, I guess I can say I've been there.  But every now and then, especially when you're slapping dungeon mud into Kevin Bacon's crotch, that nipple blush job at Hef's looks better and better.

Cheers,

Brian
 
 

Hi Brian

There are a lot of new folk here aching for you to tell them what it is like to have the best job in the world.

Can you fill them in please?

Michael
 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zaius Mannequin

In a message dated 2/25/02 8:23:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:

What?  You didn't like the last one we did? <http://apemania.com/AUTHENTIC_RESTORATIONS/ORANGS/3454.jpg

> Yah just can't please all the monkey people these days, can yah? (:-/

Yeah, that one is great, but I'm talking about doing just a bust version.

-- Rory

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They all stay clean shaven: Taylor, Virdon, Burke, Wahlberg. I think
that's the unwritten rule of being an astronaut. Either that or the moon
does it.
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.


>
> In a message dated 2/25/02 7:56:01 AM, Haristas@... writes:
>
> << The Statue of Liberty in PLANET is close to where it is now. (I would
> have
> to assume that the ocean level has dropped and that the Statue is off it's
> pedestal and resting just off Liberty Island.) The end of PLANET seems to
> show that Taylor just rides a few miles north and finds it, but just
because
> it's shown in only a few cuts in the film doesn't mean Taylor and Nova
> haven't been on that horse for days. >>
>
> One thing that makes me think that Taylor's discovery of Lady Liberty
happens
> in a relative short time after he escapes from Zaius and crew is the fact
> that he is still clean shaven. I doubt he would be shaving every day if he
> was on the run with Nova.
>
> He is also still clean shaven at the beginning of BENEATH. And when he and
> Brent finally hook up, he is still clean shaven. I doubt Negro would have
> given him a razor to shave with while he had Taylor in his custody.
>
> What does this all mean? Just sloppy filmmaking I suppose. But that
doesn't
> make it any less enjoyable for me.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hey, Alex or somebody, make a screen grab of the map and post it. Maybe an
actual New York map next to it. That's your homework. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.


> I have to agree. Rory does have a valid point that the map resembles
Cheasapeke Bay sideways; it's just a little too convaluted for to accept.
There's nothing in any of the Making of books about the map. If anyone has
some background on it; I'd love tonhear it.
> --- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 2/25/02 7:56:01 AM, Haristas@a... writes:
> >
> > << The Statue of Liberty in PLANET is close to where it is now. (I
would
> > have
> > to assume that the ocean level has dropped and that the Statue is off
it's
> > pedestal and resting just off Liberty Island.) The end of PLANET seems
to
> > show that Taylor just rides a few miles north and finds it, but just
because
> > it's shown in only a few cuts in the film doesn't mean Taylor and Nova
> > haven't been on that horse for days. >>
> >
> > One thing that makes me think that Taylor's discovery of Lady Liberty
happens
> > in a relative short time after he escapes from Zaius and crew is the
fact
> > that he is still clean shaven. I doubt he would be shaving every day if
he
> > was on the run with Nova.
> >
> > He is also still clean shaven at the beginning of BENEATH. And when he
and
> > Brent finally hook up, he is still clean shaven. I doubt Negro would
have
> > given him a razor to shave with while he had Taylor in his custody.
> >
> > What does this all mean? Just sloppy filmmaking I suppose. But that
doesn't
> > make it any less enjoyable for me.
> >
> > Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:51 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

  Hey, Alex or somebody, make a screen grab of the map and post it. Maybe an
actual New York map next to it.  That's your homework.      - - - Jeff



----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.


> I have to agree. Rory does have a valid point that the map resembles
Cheasapeke Bay sideways; it's just a little too convaluted for to accept.
There's nothing in any of the Making of books about the map. If anyone has
some background on it; I'd love tonhear it.
> --- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 2/25/02 7:56:01 AM, Haristas@a... writes:
> >
> > << The Statue of Liberty in PLANET is close to where it is now.  (I
would
> > have
> > to assume that the ocean level has dropped and that the Statue is off
it's
> > pedestal and resting just off Liberty Island.)  The end of PLANET seems
to
> > show that Taylor just rides a few miles north and finds it, but just
because
> > it's shown in only a few cuts in the film doesn't mean Taylor and Nova
> > haven't been on that horse for days. >>
> >
> > One thing that makes me think that Taylor's discovery of Lady Liberty
happens
> > in a relative short time after he escapes from Zaius and crew is the
fact
> > that he is still clean shaven. I doubt he would be shaving every day if
he
> > was on the run with Nova.
> >
> > He is also still clean shaven at the beginning of BENEATH. And when he
and
> > Brent finally hook up, he is still clean shaven. I doubt Negro would
have
> > given him a razor to shave with while he had Taylor in his custody.
> >
> > What does this all mean? Just sloppy filmmaking I suppose. But that
doesn't
> > make it any less enjoyable for me.
> >
> > Matt
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: ThyPentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:57 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

Here ya go. :o)

 

 

Sorry, don't have a New York map to post next to it.

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:51 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

  Hey, Alex or somebody, make a screen grab of the map and post it. Maybe an
actual New York map next to it.  That's your homework.      - - - Jeff



----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.


> I have to agree. Rory does have a valid point that the map resembles
Cheasapeke Bay sideways; it's just a little too convaluted for to accept.
There's nothing in any of the Making of books about the map. If anyone has
some background on it; I'd love tonhear it.
> --- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 2/25/02 7:56:01 AM, Haristas@a... writes:
> >
> > << The Statue of Liberty in PLANET is close to where it is now.  (I
would
> > have
> > to assume that the ocean level has dropped and that the Statue is off
it's
> > pedestal and resting just off Liberty Island.)  The end of PLANET seems
to
> > show that Taylor just rides a few miles north and finds it, but just
because
> > it's shown in only a few cuts in the film doesn't mean Taylor and Nova
> > haven't been on that horse for days. >>
> >
> > One thing that makes me think that Taylor's discovery of Lady Liberty
happens
> > in a relative short time after he escapes from Zaius and crew is the
fact
> > that he is still clean shaven. I doubt he would be shaving every day if
he
> > was on the run with Nova.
> >
> > He is also still clean shaven at the beginning of BENEATH. And when he
and
> > Brent finally hook up, he is still clean shaven. I doubt Negro would
have
> > given him a razor to shave with while he had Taylor in his custody.
> >
> > What does this all mean? Just sloppy filmmaking I suppose. But that
doesn't
> > make it any less enjoyable for me.
> >
> > Matt
>
>
>
>
>
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Ahhhhhh the BUST Version!  Well, why didn't you say so?! Putting the final hairwork on a DELUXE model as we speak.  Also an HONORIUS as well.  Should have pictures posted in a few days. Cheers, Brian

Great!  I'd love to get that Zaius bust as I'm sure it'll look great, but I won't be able to afford it I'm sure.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 10:20:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, MTotsky@... writes:

<< I do have a copy of that but it's been at least ten years since I read the
whole thing.  I'll have to give it another look. >>

Rory,

I'll trade you a copy of the Planet of the Men script for that.

Matt

Well, you know very well I need to replace my POTM script, so we'll have to do just that.

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.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 10:26:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, MTotsky@... writes:

One thing that makes me think that Taylor's discovery of Lady Liberty happens
in a relative short time after he escapes from Zaius and crew is the fact
that he is still clean shaven. I doubt he would be shaving every day if he
was on the run with Nova.

Well, since he bothers to shave in the first place I guess Taylor had a thing for being clean shaven.  I'm sure he did his best to keep himself that way -- it probably helped remind him that he wasn't the animal the apes took him for.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 10:28:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, MTotsky@... writes:

Some company just released a 12 inch Hitler action figure/doll. A friend of
mine did a review of it on his web page. If you want to check it out, you can
do that here:

http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_022502.htm

Matt

That's really sick in a way.  What company would produce such a thing?  Gas and burn the damned doll.

-- Rory<.html

.html Now that's a negative 5-Star come-back, Jeffy.  :-(

veetus@... wrote:

   Zauis? If you're talking about busts, I'd rather see Nova's.                                              - - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zaius Mannequin

 In a message dated 2/25/02 8:23:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

What?  You didn't like the last one we did? <http://apemania.com/AUTHENTIC_RESTORATIONS/ORANGS/3454.jpg> Yah just can't please all the monkey people these days, can yah? (:-/
 

Yeah, that one is great, but I'm talking about doing just a bust version.

-- Rory

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.html I'll have to dig it out of an album, but sure.  I'll send it along shortly.
B

veetus@... wrote:

   Why don't you scan it so we can see it, Briany?                                                            - - - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:21 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ohh,... to be the Bri...

 Wow!  A collector's item?  Really?  Cool!
Thanks!

B

Ken and Heather Taylor wrote:

 They shut that exhibit down along with the rest of the Fox Studios Backlot 'attraction' (which was a contradiction in terms). So that makes that postcard I sent you Brian, a real collectors' item.Best,KEN  ----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:57 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ohh,... to be the Bri...

 "Best job in the world", aye?  Who the heck have you been talking to?  I passed up the chance for that gig back in the 80's (nipple blush artist for Hefner)!
No, but seriously folks...

It's pretty dang cool having the privilege to do what we do here.  Having met and worked with many of my childhood heroes is a big plus!!!

The whole APEMANIA thing has added a glow to our studio that other workshops in town only wish they had.  I can't tell you how many people tell me (on a weekly basis) that they'd rather be working here than for Rick, or Stan, or some of the other larger shops.  Working here is fun and often exciting, especially when there's something "APE" going on.

There's a certain magic to Planet of the Apes and doing what we do with APEMANIA on the side has really made Make-up & Monsters Studios a fun place to be.
Making the lifesize displays in our downtime REALLY pumps that magic up too!  Everytime we get one finished, WOW!  I can't tell you how rewarding that feeling is.  The crew will stop and stare at the better ones in disbelief, and we're the folks making them.  So there's a lot of gratification in making the displays.  Each time we've put one up on eBay, people go ape-sh*t with bids.  I put one up yesterday and it's already got 19 bids. <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1518384987>.

Hey, your from down under Mike and Ken, I got a call from someone at Fox saying that the Ursus mannequin is coming back to the states now and needs to be deodorized.  Did a kangaroo relieve itself on the poor devil?  What's up with that?  I guess we'll find out next month.

As far as it being the best job in the world?  I dunno, if you can call having you fingers in Jim Carrey's mouth or Mike Myers nose the best job, I guess I can say I've been there.  But every now and then, especially when you're slapping dungeon mud into Kevin Bacon's crotch, that nipple blush job at Hef's looks better and better.

Cheers,

Brian
 
 

Hi Brian

There are a lot of new folk here aching for you to tell them what it is like to have the best job in the world.

Can you fill them in please?

Michael
 

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.html Oh, I dunno, the Orangutangs (Zaius, Honorius) ECONOMY versions are only $650 and the DELUXE are running $2,250.  Of course one might get lucky when we stick one of the ol' blondies on eBay and pick it up for a song!  Yah never know.

B

Haristas@... wrote:
 

Great!  I'd love to get that Zaius bust as I'm sure it'll look great, but I won't be able to afford it I'm sure.

-- Rory

 In a message dated 2/25/02 10:02:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

Ahhhhhh the BUST Version!  Well, why didn't you say so?! Putting the final hairwork on a DELUXE model as we speak.  Also an HONORIUS as well.  Should have pictures posted in a few days. Cheers, Brian
 

 

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.htmlIn a message dated 2/25/02 11:47:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Hey, Alex or somebody, make a screen grab of the map and post it. Maybe an
actual New York map next to it.  That's your homework.      - - - Jeff

I wish we could all be in the same room so I could point to these things and show all of you why Cornelius' map can't be the New York area, but I'll bet most of you still wouldn't give it up.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:10 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zaius Mannequin

Oh, I dunno, the Orangutangs (Zaius, Honorius) ECONOMY versions are only $650 and the DELUXE are running $2,250.  Of course one might get lucky when we stick one of the ol' blondies on eBay and pick it up for a song!  Yah never know.

B

Haristas@... wrote:
 

Great!  I'd love to get that Zaius bust as I'm sure it'll look great, but I won't be able to afford it I'm sure.

-- Rory

 In a message dated 2/25/02 10:02:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

Ahhhhhh the BUST Version!  Well, why didn't you say so?! Putting the final hairwork on a DELUXE model as we speak.  Also an HONORIUS as well.  Should have pictures posted in a few days. Cheers, Brian
 

 

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.htmlIn a message dated 2/26/02 12:00:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, agnosticdragon@... writes:

Here ya go. :o)

Great!  Thanks whatever your name is.

Now I'd like to know how this is supposed to be the New York area.  Look how long the ocean coastline is.  That can only be the east coast of the country SOUTH of New York.  For me that inland sea where Taylor crashed is what's left of Chesapeake Bay (as I've said, the ocean levels have dropped, so in PLANET there's more land around the bay which has now become an inland sea).  You see where the inland sea and the river empty into the ocean?  Well, that's where you see Taylor, Nova and the apes reach the sea in PLANET.  On the map they would then turn right (actually north) and ride up the shore to the cave.  How far up the shore that cave is, who knows?  But I would say that where you see Taylor's arm in this shot -- that would be about where the area that was New Jersey would start.  It's not too convoluted to think that Taylor would then just ride further up the shore to find the Statue of Liberty.

Now, I can understand what some of you who think this is the New York area are seeing --  The brown area in front of Taylor's arm is what's left of Long Island and the inland sea is supposed to be Long Island sound.  But it just doesn't make sense because look how New Jersey is gone -- the shoreline just keeps extending west.  And how could the escape party in PLANET have avoided seeing the ruins of Manhattan as they traveled to the cave?  If this were the New York area, what was left of the city would have to be right where the inland sea empties into the ocean -- there's no way they could have missed it.  And, if Ape City was that close to the ruins of New York how could the the apes have not discovered it in two thousand years?  (That black dotted line, by the way, is supposed to be the boundary of the Forbidden Zone.  Everything right of that line is the zone.  Cornelius was allowed to travel into the zone -- how did he miss it?)

No, I've come to believe very much that this is an area of the east coast showing what was the area around Chesapeake Bay, and that Cornelius is holding it sideways so that what looks to be east (right) is actually north.  At the end of PLANET Taylor IS riding north, with the land on his left and the ocean on his right.  So, that's the way I see it!  Okay, your turn to tell me how I'm wrong.

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.htmlIn a message dated 2/26/02 12:06:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Boy, that was fast. Thanks!  Gentlemen, in the words of Billy Crystal, "analyze this".      - - - Jeff

It sure was!  We gotta get this guy to capture more images for us!

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:51 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

  Hey, Alex or somebody, make a screen grab of the map and post it. Maybe an
actual New York map next to it.  That's your homework.      - - - Jeff



----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.


> I have to agree. Rory does have a valid point that the map resembles
Cheasapeke Bay sideways; it's just a little too convaluted for to accept.
There's nothing in any of the Making of books about the map. If anyone has
some background on it; I'd love tonhear it.
> --- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 2/25/02 7:56:01 AM, Haristas@a... writes:
> >
> > << The Statue of Liberty in PLANET is close to where it is now.  (I
would
> > have
> > to assume that the ocean level has dropped and that the Statue is off
it's
> > pedestal and resting just off Liberty Island.)  The end of PLANET seems
to
> > show that Taylor just rides a few miles north and finds it, but just
because
> > it's shown in only a few cuts in the film doesn't mean Taylor and Nova
> > haven't been on that horse for days. >>
> >
> > One thing that makes me think that Taylor's discovery of Lady Liberty
happens
> > in a relative short time after he escapes from Zaius and crew is the
fact
> > that he is still clean shaven. I doubt he would be shaving every day if
he
> > was on the run with Nova.
> >
> > He is also still clean shaven at the beginning of BENEATH. And when he
and
> > Brent finally hook up, he is still clean shaven. I doubt Negro would
have
> > given him a razor to shave with while he had Taylor in his custody.
> >
> > What does this all mean? Just sloppy filmmaking I suppose. But that
doesn't
> > make it any less enjoyable for me.
> >
> > Matt
>
>
>
>
>
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.htmlIn a message dated 2/26/02 12:56:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:

Oh, I dunno, the Orangutangs (Zaius, Honorius) ECONOMY versions are only $650 and the DELUXE are running $2,250.  Of course one might get lucky when we stick one of the ol' blondies on eBay and pick it up for a song!  Yah never know. B

The problem is I want the deluxe version, but $2,250?!!!  Too steep for me!  Hell, if I had that kind of money to spend on this stuff I'd have bought the Lawgiver courtroom bust from you guys long ago.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 2/26/02 1:52:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Hey, that's Sydney!

Now it is all clear!

Michael



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Hey, that's Sydney!

Now it is all clear!

Michael



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.htmlIn a message dated 2/26/02 1:59:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

OK I'll be serious.

I think that just like a kid making up a story, some idiot drew up a "treasure map" that is not based on any actual place.

This was a sad oversight that they should have taken more seriously.

Sorry if I frustrated you Rory but you know how much I love making up..........

Michael



Damn, I wish I could get rid of this blue background.  Anyway, I think you're wrong.  I think the person who made this map for PLANET knew exactly what they were doing.  I think the guys who made BENEATH didn't know what they were doing!

Anyway, here on the REAL east coast it's now 2 a.m. and I've got work tomorrow.  So, nighty night everybody!  Except you, Veetus!!

No, I'm just kidding.  Veetus knows I love him -- even though he drives me nuts with all the puns!  (Thanks for the card!)

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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:49 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

In a message dated 2/26/02 12:06:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Boy, that was fast. Thanks!  Gentlemen, in the words of Billy Crystal, "analyze this".      - - - Jeff

It sure was!  We gotta get this guy to capture more images for us!

-- Rory


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From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:44 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

In a message dated 2/26/02 12:00:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, agnosticdragon@... writes:

Here ya go. :o)

Great!  Thanks whatever your name is.

Now I'd like to know how this is supposed to be the New York area.  Look how long the ocean coastline is.  That can only be the east coast of the country SOUTH of New York.  For me that inland sea where Taylor crashed is what's left of Chesapeake Bay (as I've said, the ocean levels have dropped, so in PLANET there's more land around the bay which has now become an inland sea).  You see where the inland sea and the river empty into the ocean?  Well, that's where you see Taylor, Nova and the apes reach the sea in PLANET.  On the map they would then turn right (actually north) and ride up the shore to the cave.  How far up the shore that cave is, who knows?  But I would say that where you see Taylor's arm in this shot -- that would be about where the area that was New Jersey would start.  It's not too convoluted to think that Taylor would then just ride further up the shore to find the Statue of Liberty.

Now, I can understand what some of you who think this is the New York area are seeing --  The brown area in front of Taylor's arm is what's left of Long Island and the inland sea is supposed to be Long Island sound.  But it just doesn't make sense because look how New Jersey is gone -- the shoreline just keeps extending west.  And how could the escape party in PLANET have avoided seeing the ruins of Manhattan as they traveled to the cave?  If this were the New York area, what was left of the city would have to be right where the inland sea empties into the ocean -- there's no way they could have missed it.  And, if Ape City was that close to the ruins of New York how could the the apes have not discovered it in two thousand years?  (That black dotted line, by the way, is supposed to be the boundary of the Forbidden Zone.  Everything right of that line is the zone.  Cornelius was allowed to travel into the zone -- how did he miss it?)

No, I've come to believe very much that this is an area of the east coast showing what was the area around Chesapeake Bay, and that Cornelius is holding it sideways so that what looks to be east (right) is actually north.  At the end of PLANET Taylor IS riding north, with the land on his left and the ocean on his right.  So, that's the way I see it!  Okay, your turn to tell me how I'm wrong.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Location, location, location.

In a message dated 2/26/02 1:59:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

OK I'll be serious.

I think that just like a kid making up a story, some idiot drew up a "treasure map" that is not based on any actual place.

This was a sad oversight that they should have taken more seriously.

Sorry if I frustrated you Rory but you know how much I love making up..........

Michael

Damn, I wish I could get rid of this blue background.  Anyway, I think you're wrong.  I think the person who made this map for PLANET knew exactly what they were doing.  I think the guys who made BENEATH didn't know what they were doing!

Anyway, here on the REAL east coast it's now 2 a.m. and I've got work tomorrow.  So, nighty night everybody!  Except you, Veetus!!

No, I'm just kidding.  Veetus knows I love him -- even though he drives me nuts with all the puns!  (Thanks for the card!)

-- Rory

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From: ThyPentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

I've got all the POTA movies on DVD, so if you do need another capture just let me know and I'll do my best to be quick about it.

 

 

 

ThyPentacle

 

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In a message dated 2/26/02 12:06:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Boy, that was fast. Thanks!  Gentlemen, in the words of Billy Crystal, "analyze this".      - - - Jeff

It sure was!  We gotta get this guy to capture more images for us!

-- Rory


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They all stay clean shaven: Taylor, Virdon, Burke, Wahlberg. I think
that's the unwritten rule of being an astronaut. Either that or the moon
does it.

Must be laser hair removal.  That or ANSA equips them all with NADS, right Mikey?

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As promised, here's the full-size Zaius display bust, sans hair and
final tweeks.

Enjoy,

Brian

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veetus@... wrote:

   I got an Attar bust for $10. The thing's pretty damn heavy, too! Got a blue face, though.          - - - Jeff  

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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:10 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zaius Mannequin

 Oh, I dunno, the Orangutangs (Zaius, Honorius) ECONOMY versions are only $650 and the DELUXE are running $2,250.  Of course one might get lucky when we stick one of the ol' blondies on eBay and pick it up for a song!  Yah never know.

B

Haristas@... wrote:
 

Great!  I'd love to get that Zaius bust as I'm sure it'll look great, but I won't be able to afford it I'm sure.

-- Rory

 In a message dated 2/25/02 10:02:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

Ahhhhhh the BUST Version!  Well, why didn't you say so?! Putting the final hairwork on a DELUXE model as we speak.  Also an HONORIUS as well.  Should have pictures posted in a few days. Cheers, Brian

 

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OK You're wrong. Just kidding. You make some very valid points, but forgive me I just don't see it. And I'm sure even if I had sworn statements from William Creber, Rod Serling & Arther Jacobs saying the map was meant to the New York area in 2000 years; you'd just say they are wrong too. So why bother aurguing it. I'd rather argue over who's sexier Nova or Deana.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Great! Thanks whatever your name is.
>
> Now I'd like to know how this is supposed to be the New York area. Look how
> long the ocean coastline is. That can only be the east coast of the country
> SOUTH of New York. For me that inland sea where Taylor crashed is what's
> left of Chesapeake Bay (as I've said, the ocean levels have dropped, so in
> PLANET there's more land around the bay which has now become an inland sea).
> You see where the inland sea and the river empty into the ocean? Well,
> that's where you see Taylor, Nova and the apes reach the sea in PLANET. On
> the map they would then turn right (actually north) and ride up the shore to
> the cave. How far up the shore that cave is, who knows? But I would say
> that where you see Taylor's arm in this shot -- that would be about where the
> area that was New Jersey would start. It's not too convoluted to think that
> Taylor would then just ride further up the shore to find the Statue of
> Liberty.
>
> Now, I can understand what some of you who think this is the New York area
> are seeing -- The brown area in front of Taylor's arm is what's left of Long
> Island and the inland sea is supposed to be Long Island sound. But it just
> doesn't make sense because look how New Jersey is gone -- the shoreline just
> keeps extending west. And how could the escape party in PLANET have avoided
> seeing the ruins of Manhattan as they traveled to the cave? If this were the
> New York area, what was left of the city would have to be right where the
> inland sea empties into the ocean -- there's no way they could have missed
> it. And, if Ape City was that close to the ruins of New York how could the
> the apes have not discovered it in two thousand years? (That black dotted
> line, by the way, is supposed to be the boundary of the Forbidden Zone.
> Everything right of that line is the zone. Cornelius was allowed to travel
> into the zone -- how did he miss it?)
>
> No, I've come to believe very much that this is an area of the east coast
> showing what was the area around Chesapeake Bay, and that Cornelius is
> holding it sideways so that what looks to be east (right) is actually north.
> At the end of PLANET Taylor IS riding north, with the land on his left and
> the ocean on his right. So, that's the way I see it! Okay, your turn to
> tell me how I'm wrong.
>
> -- Rory

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No reason to dispair.
We developed the ECONOMY versions for folks who can't swing the higher price tags of the DELUXE busts.
The Econs still look good; take a look at the APE-O-NAUT versions (enclosed).  They still are impressive conversation pieces, for a fraction of the cost of the DELUXE busts.
And there's always Ebay.   We fix up the less than perfect castings and put them up for auction from time to time, so you might get lucky sometime.  Who knows?

B

Haristas@... wrote:

The problem is I want the deluxe version, but $2,250?!!!  Too steep for me!  Hell, if I had that kind of money to spend on this stuff I'd have bought the Lawgiver courtroom bust from you guys long ago.

-- Rory

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What area was Cornelius' map in Planet?

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Okay here it is. Forbidden Zone/ New York Jersey Map side by side.
Enjoy.

Al

P.S. keep this to yourselves, someone might think I'm a terrorist.
Jeezzz...

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From: veetus@...

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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 2:48 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

  How about the map on Urko's wall? Do you have the TV show? Thy is my new best friend.        - - - Jeff

 

 

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From: ThyPentacle

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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

I've got all the POTA movies on DVD, so if you do need another capture just let me know and I'll do my best to be quick about it.

 

 

 

ThyPentacle

 

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In a message dated 2/26/02 12:06:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Boy, that was fast. Thanks!  Gentlemen, in the words of Billy Crystal, "analyze this".      - - - Jeff

It sure was!  We gotta get this guy to capture more images for us!

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.htmlIn a message dated 2/26/02 11:27:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, calima5021com@... writes:

Okay here it is. Forbidden Zone/ New York Jersey Map side by side.
Enjoy.

Al

P.S. keep this to yourselves, someone might think I'm a terrorist.
Jeezzz...

Well, those don't look like a match to me.  You got a map of the Chesapeake Bay/Virginia area to put next to Cornelius' map?

Now, of course you guys know that I'm not trying to say that where I think the area the map shows for PLANET works for BENEATH?   It doesn't.  BENEATH is like in another demension from PLANET.  Isn't it funny though that in BENEATH Cornelius gets his map out, but the director doesn't show it.

And as far as my 'buddy' Jimmy goes, I knew I wouldn't change his mind.  It's the same as with Matt and the time loop thing -- you guys have thought this way since you were kids, you like it like this, and your minds are made up.  HOW HUMAN!!!

-- Rory

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Actually, I've never seen the TV show, but I do plan on buying the DVD set of it as soon as I have the money to spare. I've heard so many good things about it, so I figured I might as well have that too. :o)

ThyPentacle


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As promised, here's the full-size Zaius display bust, sans hair and
final tweeks.

Enjoy,

Brian

Well, that looks pretty cool.  Did you have a lifemask of Maurice Evans to work with?   How many do you plan to produce?

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 2:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Location, location, location.

In a message dated 2/26/02 1:14:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, agnosticdragon@... writes:

Actually, I've never seen the TV show, but I do plan on buying the DVD set of it as soon as I have the money to spare. I've heard so many good things about it, so I figured I might as well have that too. :o)

ThyPentacle

Don't look for it, ThyPentacle.  You may not like what you find.

-- Rory O'Zaius

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