--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/3/02 1:14:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > Well I just spent several months in the hospital because some
people
> > in this world are intolerant of the ideas of others. So forgive
me if
> > I have a problem with anyone taking the additude 'My way is the
right
> > and only way'.
> >
> >
>
> Why were you in the hospital, James? I thought you said you some
distance
> from the WTC. Did you breath in all the dust or something?
>
> -- Rory

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:04 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes Music Video


> Here's a sneak peek of what will be on the Battle for the Planet of the
Apes
> DVD. A music video: KRYPTONITE
>
> www.calima5021.com/kryptonite.mpg
>
> The file is 40 megs and in VCD excellent quality.
> If you have the software to create a VCD to play on your DVD player, your
> more than welcome to download and burn for your entertainment.
>
> Otherwise it will be on the DVD in DVD format.
>
> Best and enjoy.
> Al.
>
> P.S. Brian, once I get your apemania videos, I'm also planning to making
you
> guys a music video as well. An Apemania Tribute on DVD. Not a bad idea.
>
>
>
>
> _____

----- Original Message -----
From: "emr1623" <emr1623@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 9:47 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (unknown)


> Late last night, or should I say, in the wee hours of the morning, I
> caught the last hour or so of Planet of the Apes. I have to be
> honest... uh, ummm... I haven't seen any of the movies since I was
> but a little girl... but at least I am beginning to get an idea about
> what you all discuss here...LOL. I hope it doesn't mean that any of
> you will automatically dismiss any my input as being ignorant.
> Heston was, for the most part, horrible in the film. But I
> absolutely loved Zaius. Through Taylor's "trial", I couldn't get
> over how ignorant Zaius behaved. He was an intellect yet he chose to
> ignore the facts that stood before him. There are none so blind as
> those who will not see. It came as a surprise to me at the end when
> he admitted he knew everything that Zira and Cornelius stated to be
> the truth. So the plot thickens!!!! And I'm not too sure I would
> disagree with his handling of the matter either. I wouldn't like to
> live my life in ignorant bliss, but there might be some things, that
> if ever came to light, would throw our world into such utter chaos,
> that maybe we would be better off not knowing... at least until we
> reached a state of enlightenment that would allow us to absorb the
> information more easily. I mean, I'm looking at it from Zaius' point
> of view. I think that's why he let Taylor go at the end. He knew
> that the truth might eventually need to be looked at, but for the
> time being, given the current state of the populace and their
> feelings, the staus quo would be maintained. As for his warning to
> Taylor as he rode off (I don't remember the exact words), the idea of
> willful ignorance can go both ways...right? Be careful of what you
> wish for (in this case, truth)... you might get it!!!
>
> BTW... I just love the cockfights (LOL) between y'all over
> differences of opinion.
>
> Eileen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "emr1623" <emr1623@m...> wrote:
> BTW... I just love the cockfights (LOL) between y'all over
> differences of opinion.
>
> Eileen

>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes Music Video
>Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:57:34 -0800
>

>
>Now, you see here's a difference. You see each film as a chapter in a book.
>I see each film as a book. I remember when ESCAPE came out and I saw it with
>my mother. She said, "That's the sequel they should have made in the first
>place." A lot of people hated BENEATH. I don't think you need to see
>BENEATH in order to enjoy ESCAPE, and I think it's possible to see any of the
>movies for the first time and enjoy them without having seen any of the
>others -- EXCEPT BATTLE!! That's the one sequel that never should have been
>made -- even Roddy McDowall forgot about it.
>
>
>Now, you see here's a difference. You see each film as a chapter in a book.
>I see each film as a book. I remember when ESCAPE came out and I saw it with
>my mother. She said, "That's the sequel they should have made in the first
>place." A lot of people hated BENEATH. I don't think you need to see
>BENEATH in order to enjoy ESCAPE, and I think it's possible to see any of the
>movies for the first time and enjoy them without having seen any of the
>others -- EXCEPT BATTLE!! That's the one sequel that never should have been
>made -- even Roddy McDowall forgot about it.
>

>
>> One way to look at the Apes films is that Mike Wilson did the beginning
>> of the story (with help from Rod Serling), Paul Dehn did the middle part
>> of the story, and the Corringtons did the ending. Somehow the final result
>> was an epic masterpiece.
>>
>
>You're forgetting the uncredited John T. Kelley. And, "an epic
>masterpiece"?!!! Not if you include that 'kiddy movie' BATTLE!
>
>Oh, how they should have just ended it with CONQUEST! Oh, the pain, the
>pain!
>
>-- Rory

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name


> >
> >> One way to look at the Apes films is that Mike Wilson did the beginning
> >> of the story (with help from Rod Serling), Paul Dehn did the middle
part
> >> of the story, and the Corringtons did the ending. Somehow the final
result
> >> was an epic masterpiece.
> >>
> >
> >You're forgetting the uncredited John T. Kelley. And, "an epic
> >masterpiece"?!!! Not if you include that 'kiddy movie' BATTLE!
> >
> >Oh, how they should have just ended it with CONQUEST! Oh, the pain, the
> >pain!
> >
> >-- Rory
>
>
> Okay I take back the "epic masterpiece" comment. After all, the first
movie
> was a big stinker. The other four movies were way better. The worst of
> all was the original book. God that was awful!!!
>
>
>

>>
>RIGHT ON, WHOEVER YOU ARE!!!
>
>-- Rory

>You should read Joe Russo's
>book "Planet of the Apes Revisited", much better and more accurate
>than Green's book.

--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> The bottom line is that it really doesn't matter what Dehn wanted, because
> it wasn't his story.

>
> Concerning the ULTRA DETAIL ACTION FIGURES, we have been
> negotiating with
> FOX for a US release of these toys for quite some time. We feel
> we are
> close to making an announcement, but nothing is official as yet.
> We will
> add you to our list of press contacts and be sure to send you any
> press
> releases concerning the POTA figs.
>
> Thank you,
> FRANK SUPIOT
> Brand Manager
> DIAMOND COMICS

>absolutely loved Zaius. Through Taylor's "trial", I couldn't get
>over how ignorant Zaius behaved. He was an intellect yet he chose to

>ignore the facts that stood before him. There are none so blind as
>those who will not see. It came as a surprise to me at the end when
>he admitted he knew everything that Zira and Cornelius stated to be
>the truth. So the plot thickens!!!! And I'm not too sure I would

>disagree with his handling of the matter either. I wouldn't like to
>live my life in ignorant bliss, but there might be some things, that
>if ever came to light, would throw our world into such utter chaos,
>that maybe we would be better off not knowing... at least until we
>reached a state of enlightenment that would allow us to absorb the
>information more easily. I mean, I'm looking at it from Zaius' point

>of view. I think that's why he let Taylor go at the end. He knew
>that the truth might eventually need to be looked at, but for the
>time being, given the current state of the populace and their
>feelings, the staus quo would be maintained. As for his warning to

>
>Unfortunately, the credits from the film don't agree with you.
>
>--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
>> The bottom line is that it really doesn't matter what Dehn wanted, because
>> it wasn't his story.

> Here's a sneak peek of what will be on the Battle for the Planet of

> DVD. A music video: KRYPTONITE
>
> www.calima5021.com/kryptonite.mpg
>

>
>
> Planet of the Apes Music Video II
> Chambers and Apemania, a tribute to John Chambers.
>
> www.calima5021.com/chambers.mpg
>

> "In the final scene, Charlton Heston and the girl are heading south

>
>
> ThyPentacle

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:10 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes

Well, don't get too excited.  It's just that there are two stories on Cinescape.com today that Bruce Willis swears off any more DIE HARDs, and Ridley Scott has passed on ALIEN 5, so maybe Fox will HAVE to do an APES II now -- if that's anything to look forward to.

-- Rory

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>> - Tom (posting from Texas, not Bulgaria)

>Ha! A fellow Texan!
>Tell me Tex, why does your email say Bulgaria?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 6:13 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] VHS Exclusive Clip


>
> Here's the clip I spoke to you about, Jeff.
> The one the POTA 2001 VHS Tape. It captured very well to my surprise.
>
> www.calima5021.com/vhs.mpg
>
> 30 megs in size.
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
>
> _____

>From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: re: [Planet of the Apes] NEWS FLASH!!!
>Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:12:07 -0800
>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> What took Willis so long? I swore off "Die Hard" a long time ago.
Scott said he'd only do "Alien 5" if the script is right. A man after
my own heart. He should do "Apes 2" (he's signed with Fox). -
- - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:10 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes
>
>
> Well, don't get too excited. It's just that there are two
stories on Cinescape.com today that Bruce Willis swears off any more
DIE HARDs, and Ridley Scott has passed on ALIEN 5, so maybe Fox will
HAVE to do an APES II now -- if that's anything to look forward to.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] VHS Exclusive Clip
>Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:03:50 -0800
>

> Thanks for sharing this with us. I wish I could figure out a way to
> save it (no VCD here).

>From: "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2
>Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:52:50 -0000
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:29 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes

In a message dated 3/5/02 10:33:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  What took Willis so long? I swore off "Die Hard" a long time ago. Scott said he'd only do "Alien 5" if the script is right. A man after my own heart. He should do "Apes 2" (he's signed with Fox).          - - - Jeff

Not very likely.  He's set to do some kind of Crusades movie, and that seems to be what Fox wants from him -- another Gladiator.

Willis' latest movie has tanked, though I went and saw it and thought it was good.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA movie mistakes

In a message dated 3/5/02 2:28:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, agnosticdragon@... writes:

Those fighting over the map thing will find this one interesting:

"In the final scene, Charlton Heston and the girl are heading south and the ocean is on their right, (and the lake they crashed in is out west), so we know they are on the west coast. So how does the Statue of Liberty wash up over there? Maybe the Apes kept the Panama Canal open."


ThyPentacle

If you're heading north on the east coast the ocean is also on your right.   These idiots no nothing.  Ignore it.

-- Rory

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> >

>

> In a message dated 3/2/02 11:49:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:

> In a message dated 3/2/02 11:49:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:

> In a message dated 3/2/02 11:49:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:

--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
Estuarys and brooks can run north to south and some are so large they
are thought of as rivers, but the only river in the northern
hemisphere that runs south to north is the Nile in Egypt.

The Red River of the North (between Fargo, ND and Moorhead, MN and
between Grand Forks, ND and East Grand Forks, MN) is neither an
"estuary" nor a "brook"--it is a RIVER. And it runs NORTHWARD. Trust
me on this, James611102, please! The Red River is not as impressive as
the Mississippi, but it IS a friggin' river.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 3-06-2002

> > > 1. I live in Fargo (now West Fargo), North Dakota, and the Red
> River
> > > of the North does indeed flow northward. Rivers are made of
> water, and
> > > water is subject to gravity, and gravity pulls DOWNWARD, not
> > > SOUTHWARD, people! Just because most of our maps have NORTH on
> top
> > > doesn't mean that SOUTH equals 'DOWN'!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I live in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. and I could see the Red River of
> the North
> > flows north just looking at my atlas, but then James doesn't think
> I know how
> > to read maps too well. And, I also told James that rivers
> run 'downhill' and
> > that it has nothing to do with compass directions. So there,
> James!!
> >
> > -- Rory

>
> > You should see Shakesperian scholars when they go at it.
>
> Shakespeare was an illiterate front for the 17th Earl of Oxford!

> In a message dated 3/5/02 7:31:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:23 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered Timeline


> --- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> > >
> Of course there is equal evidence to support 2 timelines. But both
> points of view are valid.
> >
> No, Rory's point about the non-circular timeline is supported
> completely by the evidence in the movies. From what I see it is just
> impossible for PLANET and BENEATH to have occured in the same timeline
> as BATTLE.
> A lot of people don't understand what is going on in BATTLE. The
> entire point of that movie is that Caesar is on a mission to save the
> the world from being destroyed. When he defeats Aldo and grants
> humans equality near the end we already have a clue that things have
> changed drastically. But what removes any and all doubt is the
> Lawgiver scene, which is why that scene was added even though at first
> glance it contributes nothing to the plot.
>
> "...and I still live by it's injunction".
> Dr. Zaius
>
> The Lawgiver's influence on the apes culture is comparable to that of
> Confucius if not Jesus in medieval times. His ideas have the status
> of religious dogma, and to contradict him or his Sacred Scrolls is
> heresy, which is a state crime. When Taylor asks Dr. Zaius why he
> fears and hates him, Zaius reveals that the Sacred Scrolls are the
> reason for his and his culture's bigotry. But in the BATTLE timeline
> when you see the Lawgiver talking to human as well as ape children you
> realize that the Lawgiver's attitude has been changed into the
> opposite of his original bigotry as the result of Caesar's actions and
> existence. No doubt the (very old) Lawgiver in the altered timeline
> preaches tolerance and coexistence among the species.
> Ask yourself the question, if Jesus had nearly the exact opposite
> views he did in our history would everything still be the same as it
> is now? Of course, we all know it would be ridiculous to suppose so.
> The same thing applies to the POTA world.
> ***And please don't say there is more than one Lawgiver. The Lawgiver
> in BATTLE was definitely meant to be the same ape spoken of in PLANET.
> He's the same one that Zaius calls "The greatest ape of all",
> otherwise it would be pointless including that last scene in BATTLE.
> When you watch the apes movies the first or second time and don't pay
> close attention a circular timeline seems plausible. But when you
> watch the movies the 5th, 10th or 25th time you notice things you may
> have missed the 2nd time.
>
> would always be capable of it. And I still believe there had to be an
> original timeline (or history) that lead to the world Taylor lands in
> (in 3978!) that would then allow the chimps to return to the past IN
> ORDER TO SAVE THE WORLD! Besides, the apes being made into slaves
> happens independent of the chimp-o-nauts arriving in 1973 anyway, in
> fact have you ever thought how strange it is that Cornelius tells the
> government that apes being made into slaves will lead to man's
> overthrow, and yet the government lets it happen anyway? This is one
> of the many flaws in logic that makes it kind of silly to try to
> correct it all as one perfectly round egg. This Humpty-Dumpty just
> don't fit together.
> -- Rory
>
> I'm afraid I can't agree with a number of things here, but most
> especially the notion that the Lawgiver in BATTLE is meant to be the
> same one that Zaius mentions in PLANET. Chronologically, they CAN'T be
> the same "Lawgiver". Taylor asks Zaius, "When were those Sacred
> Scrolls of yours written?" Zaius replies, "Twelve hundred years ago."
> Let's take him at his word: IF the Lawgiver wrote the Sacred Scrolls
> 1,200 years before 3978 or 3955 (feel free to pick either year), then
> the SS were written sometime around 2755-to-2778, and yet the Lawgiver
> scene in BATTLE takes place--as the opening shot shows--in "North
> America, 2670 A.D.", which is 85-to-108 years EARLIER. In fact, the
> "circularity" of the APES saga is suggested by the 2670-date, since
> the first film opens up on the EARTH-TIME date 2673. At just about the
> same (Earth) time that Taylor says, "You who are reading me now are a
> different breed... I hope a better one" and asks "Does Man--that
> marvel of the universe, that glorious paradox who sent me to the
> stars--still make war against his brother?..." there is a talking
> orangutan called "Lawgiver" preaching to a mixed-race/species group.
> But some 85 years later or so, the human-hating Sacred Scrolls will be
> written, by a different "Lawgiver", since the John Huston-portrayed
> character (being an old person) will have long since died by that time
> (i.e. 2755-ish).
> Far from removing "any and all doubt", the BATTLE Lawgiver-scene only
> further serves to point out the circularity of the APES saga. The
> ending seems "edenic", but the last images we see are of CONFLICT (the
> black human girl and the young chimp fighting) and of SORROW (the
> statue of Caesar shedding a tear). Yes, Caesar wants/wanted to change
> the future, defeating Aldo and freeing the humans; but does he
> actually succeed in changing the "prophesied" future his parents
> witnessed? Don't forget--the Mendez community has the Alpha Omega bomb
> (in the "expanded" version of BATTLE), and the seeds of bomb-worship
> are sown when Mendez convinces Alma to NOT detonate it, but rather to
> revere it for making them what they are. If the "message" of BATTLE is
> that the apocalyptic future CAN be changed, then the BEST way to
> accomplish this would be for Mendez to DISMANTLE the Alpha Omega bomb,
> so that it--the actual device which CAUSES the Earth to be destroyed--
> cannot fulfill its destiny, its only purpose. Yet the script for
> BATTLE comes full circle, setting up the Mutant community so that its
> future development (i.e. what we see of it in BENEATH) follows as a
> matter of course.
> I'm sorry, but the "racial apocalypse" (as Eric Greene termed it in
> his book) seen in BENEATH will always loom over the heads of the
> inhabitants of the planet of the apes throughout its 20-century
> timeline, as long as the "doomsday bomb" is still around and capable
> of being triggered. There is NO indication that that bomb is rendered
> incapable of doing what it was designed to do--destroy the entire
> planet, and THAT makes the circular timeline particularly compelling
> to me.
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 3-06-2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:35 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes

In a message dated 3/6/02 2:16:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I don't see how they'll fix the mess they made...


--Helen

I'm with you, Helen, which is why I continue to think there won't be a sequel.  The Burton POTA really was a fiasco.

In the commentary track for JAY AND SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK they even say during their POTA spoof, now this is from the REAL PLANET OF THE APES, not the FAKE Burton movie.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 8:48 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Another "Quick"ie

Yeah, yeah, the novelization sucked but maybe he'll do better with his own story.

If Billy The Ouick can't do a decent job of telling a story that's already been written what makes you think he can write one of his own that's worth a damn?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (unknown)


--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> > You should see Shakesperian scholars when they go at it.
>
> Shakespeare was an illiterate front for the 17th Earl of Oxford!

This is hardly the place for this... but I have to put in my 2¢ here:
you are absolutely right, my friend! I've been an Oxfordian for about
12 years, now, and the "evidence" for William Shakspere's authorship
of "William Shake-speare's" plays and poems is sheer nonsense. It is
Edward de Vere, XVIIth Earl of Oxford, who is "guilty" of writing
those works. Not Bacon, not Marlowe, not the Earl of Derby... but
Oxford.
Those of you interested should check out the home pages of the
Shakespeare Oxford Society and the Shakespeare Fellowship (or the
British "De Vere Society").
Not that this has anything to do with POTA, however...

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 3-06-2002

--- In pota@y..., "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
> I don't see how they'll fix the mess they made, but...
>
> Bruce Willis is good with guns. He should be a gorilla. Ridley
> Scott would certainly bring in some women. A female gorilla?
(YES!)
> Maybe Demi Moore?
>
> --Helen
>
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > What took Willis so long? I swore off "Die Hard" a long time
ago.
> Scott said he'd only do "Alien 5" if the script is right. A man
after
> my own heart. He should do "Apes 2" (he's signed with
Fox). -
> - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Haristas@a...
> > To: pota@y...
> > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:10 AM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes
> >
> >
> > Well, don't get too excited. It's just that there are two
> stories on Cinescape.com today that Bruce Willis swears off any
more
> DIE HARDs, and Ridley Scott has passed on ALIEN 5, so maybe Fox
will
> HAVE to do an APES II now -- if that's anything to look forward to.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA movie mistakes


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/5/02 7:31:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
> But they were heading North. Or at least that's what Cornelius said in
> Beneath.
>
> Yes, and Dr. Zaius says in PLANET that the inland sea was in their
> eastern desert.
>
> Actually, Zaius--referring to TAYLOR's written statement--says, "You
> (i.e. ZIRA) state here that Bright Eyes landed in a ship from outer
> space in our eastern desert..."
> Zira replies, "That is HIS assertion." (my emphasis)
> Zaius seems to be implying that Taylor's chimpanzee friends--and not
> Taylor himself--were the ones who "state here" on the written paper.
> Why didn't he say, "Bright Eyes states here that he landed in a
> spaceship..." (etc.)?
> Also, the "eastern desert" bit is probably quoted from Taylor's
> written statement--meaning that it is Taylor who refers to the desert
> as an "eastern" one, perhaps due to the fact that Cornelius' map
> showed that the lake was on the right side, with Ape City to the left
> of it. Taylor might be incorrectly assuming that Cornelius' map was
> oriented with "north" at the top (as is the cartographical convention
> with OUR maps), when the map ACTUALLY was positioned with "west" at
> the top, and "north" on the right (as Cornelius tells Brent in
> BENEATH). Taylor, mistakenly assuming that the map shows the "sea"/
> "ocean" to be SOUTH of both Ape City and Dead Lake (since it's on the
> BOTTOM of the map), writes in his courtroom statement that Dead Lake
> is in a desert to the EAST of Ape City--instead of NORTH, which it
> ACTUALLY was.
> Since there are no N-S-E-W designations on Cornelius' map, or a key
> showing how many miles per inch, this piece of evidence seems designed
> to tantalize us POTA fans by giving information that just BEGS for
> interpretation.
>
> Perhaps somebody out there can take the still-frame of the Map and
> turn it around 90 degrees counterclockwise, so that the Forbidden Zone
> is NORTH of the "green" areas and the ocean is on the RIGHT/EAST, and
> then post that image on the Message Board. I, for one, would like to
> print off an 8&1/2-by-11 copy of it.
> Anyone?
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 3-06-2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "emr1623" <emr1623@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes


> I think they should get Scott in on it and let him bring his aliens
> (Giger's aliens, actually) and then we can see who Rules the
> Planet... LOL
>
> Eileen
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
> > I don't see how they'll fix the mess they made, but...
> >
> > Bruce Willis is good with guns. He should be a gorilla. Ridley
> > Scott would certainly bring in some women. A female gorilla?
> (YES!)
> > Maybe Demi Moore?
> >
> > --Helen
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > What took Willis so long? I swore off "Die Hard" a long time
> ago.
> > Scott said he'd only do "Alien 5" if the script is right. A man
> after
> > my own heart. He should do "Apes 2" (he's signed with
> Fox). -
> > - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Haristas@a...
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:10 AM
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, don't get too excited. It's just that there are two
> > stories on Cinescape.com today that Bruce Willis swears off any
> more
> > DIE HARDs, and Ridley Scott has passed on ALIEN 5, so maybe Fox
> will
> > HAVE to do an APES II now -- if that's anything to look forward to.
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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----- Original Message -----

From: patrickmichaeltilton

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:30 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA movie mistakes

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/5/02 7:31:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:

But they were heading North. Or at least that's what Cornelius said in
Beneath.

Yes, and Dr. Zaius says in PLANET that the inland sea was in their
eastern desert.

Actually, Zaius--referring to TAYLOR's written statement--says, "You
(i.e. ZIRA) state here that Bright Eyes landed in a ship from outer
space in our eastern desert..."
Zira replies, "That is HIS assertion." (my emphasis)
Zaius seems to be implying that Taylor's chimpanzee friends--and not
Taylor himself--were the ones who "state here" on the written paper.
Why didn't he say, "Bright Eyes states here that he landed in a
spaceship..." (etc.)?
Also, the "eastern desert" bit is probably quoted from Taylor's
written statement--meaning that it is Taylor who refers to the desert
as an "eastern" one, perhaps due to the fact that Cornelius' map
showed that the lake was on the right side, with Ape City to the left
of it. Taylor might be incorrectly assuming that Cornelius' map was
oriented with "north" at the top (as is the cartographical convention
with OUR maps), when the map ACTUALLY was positioned with "west" at
the top, and "north" on the right (as Cornelius tells Brent in
BENEATH). Taylor, mistakenly assuming that the map shows the "sea"/
"ocean" to be SOUTH of both Ape City and Dead Lake (since it's on the
BOTTOM of the map), writes in his courtroom statement that Dead Lake
is in a desert to the EAST of Ape City--instead of NORTH, which it
ACTUALLY was.
Since there are no N-S-E-W designations on Cornelius' map, or a key
showing how many miles per inch, this piece of evidence seems designed
to tantalize us POTA fans by giving information that just BEGS for
interpretation.

Perhaps somebody out there can take the still-frame of the Map and
turn it around 90 degrees counterclockwise, so that the Forbidden Zone
is NORTH of the "green" areas and the ocean is on the RIGHT/EAST, and
then post that image on the Message Board. I, for one, would like to
print off an 8&1/2-by-11 copy of it.
Anyone?

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 3-06-2002




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> -----Original Message-----
> From: hoot33181 [lovethatmuff@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2002 10:15
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Wantlist
>
>
> Hi. I have a wantlist of POTA items. Anybody have anything from the
> below list that they'd be willing to sell me?
>
> Please lmk, thanks, Barry Landesman ( lovethatmuff@... ).
>
> Simple Simian 9" (by Lakeside)
> Boomerangutang
> Helicopter
> Fun Doh set
> Face Ball
> British Wrapper
> Archery Set
> Movie Viewer
> Finger Puppet
> Ghastly Giggles (magazine)
> Squirt Ring
> Bagatelle (pinball machine)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>From: Haristas@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Happy Birthday Arthur!
>Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:08:17 EST
>
>Hey everybody. . . Arthur P. Jacobs was born on March 7th, 1922.

>From: Haristas@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered Timeline
>Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:45:12 EST
>
>In a message dated 3/6/02 10:56:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
>
> > There is NO indication that that bomb is rendered
> > incapable of doing what it was designed to do--destroy the entire
> > planet, and THAT makes the circular timeline particularly compelling
> > to me.
> > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > EARTH-TIME 3-06-2002
>
>You're just a damn nihilist, Patrick Michael Tilton! Now, let me ask you a
>question: Why do you think Arthur P. Jacobs had those scenes with the bomb
>removed from BATTLE?
>
>-- Rory

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/6/02 10:56:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> > There is NO indication that that bomb is rendered
> > incapable of doing what it was designed to do--destroy the entire
> > planet, and THAT makes the circular timeline particularly
compelling
> > to me.
> > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > EARTH-TIME 3-06-2002
>
> You're just a damn nihilist, Patrick Michael Tilton! Now, let me
ask you a
> question: Why do you think Arthur P. Jacobs had those scenes with
the bomb
> removed from BATTLE?
>
> -- Rory

----- Original Message -----

From: Calima 5021

Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:27 PM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2

 

Anytime Helen.
There will be more in the future.
There's a software called: Easy CD Creator 5 PLATINUM.
This not only records CD music and data discs but also VCD's that can play
on your DVD player.

Best and thanks.
Al



>From: "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2
>Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:52:50 -0000
>




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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:46 AM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes

 

  Don't give them any ideas! POTA is still property of "Dark Horse", king of
the crossovers ("Aliens vs. Predator").
        - - - Jeff


----- Original Message -----
From: "emr1623" <emr1623@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes


> I think they should get Scott in on it and let him bring his aliens
> (Giger's aliens, actually) and then we can see who Rules the
> Planet... LOL
>
> Eileen
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
> > I don't see how they'll fix the mess they made, but...
> >
> > Bruce Willis is good with guns.  He should be a gorilla.  Ridley
> > Scott would certainly bring in some women.  A female gorilla?
> (YES!)
> > Maybe Demi Moore?
> >
> > --Helen
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > >   What took Willis so long? I swore off "Die Hard" a long time
> ago.
> > Scott said he'd only do "Alien 5" if the script is right. A man
> after
> > my own heart. He should do "Apes 2" (he's signed with
> Fox).          -
> >  - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Haristas@a...
> > >   To: pota@y...
> > >   Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:10 AM
> > >   Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes
> > >
> > >
> > >   Well, don't get too excited.  It's just that there are two
> > stories on Cinescape.com today that Bruce Willis swears off any
> more
> > DIE HARDs, and Ridley Scott has passed on ALIEN 5, so maybe Fox
> will
> > HAVE to do an APES II now -- if that's anything to look forward to.
> > >
> > >   -- Rory
> > >        
> > >              
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > Service.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
>I'm afraid I can't agree with a number of things here, but most

>especially the notion that the Lawgiver in BATTLE is meant to be the
>same one that Zaius mentions in PLANET. Chronologically, they CAN'T be
>the same "Lawgiver". Taylor asks Zaius, "When were those Sacred
>Scrolls of yours written?" Zaius replies, "Twelve hundred years ago."
>Let's take him at his word: IF the Lawgiver wrote the Sacred Scrolls
>1,200 years before 3978 or 3955 (feel free to pick either year), then
>the SS were written sometime around 2755-to-2778, and yet the Lawgiver
>scene in BATTLE takes place--as the opening shot shows--in "North
>America, 2670 A.D.", which is 85-to-108 years EARLIER. In fact, the

>"circularity" of the APES saga is suggested by the 2670-date, since
>the first film opens up on the EARTH-TIME date 2673. At just about the
>same (Earth) time that Taylor says, "You who are reading me now are a
>different breed... I hope a better one" and asks "Does Man--that
>marvel of the universe, that glorious paradox who sent me to the
>stars--still make war against his brother?..." there is a talking
>orangutan called "Lawgiver" preaching to a mixed-race/species group.
>But some 85 years later or so, the human-hating Sacred Scrolls will be
>written, by a different "Lawgiver", since the John Huston-portrayed
>character (being an old person) will have long since died by that time
>(i.e. 2755-ish).

>Far from removing "any and all doubt", the BATTLE Lawgiver-scene only
>further serves to point out the circularity of the APES saga. The
>ending seems "edenic", but the last images we see are of CONFLICT (the
>black human girl and the young chimp fighting) and of SORROW (the

>statue of Caesar shedding a tear). Yes, Caesar wants/wanted to change

>the future, defeating Aldo and freeing the humans; but does he
>actually succeed in changing the "prophesied" future his parents
>witnessed? Don't forget--the Mendez community has the Alpha Omega bomb
>(in the "expanded" version of BATTLE), and the seeds of bomb-worship
>are sown when Mendez convinces Alma to NOT detonate it, but rather to
>revere it for making them what they are. If the "message" of BATTLE is

>that the apocalyptic future CAN be changed, then the BEST way to
>accomplish this would be for Mendez to DISMANTLE the Alpha Omega bomb,
>so that it--the actual device which CAUSES the Earth to be destroyed--
>cannot fulfill its destiny, its only purpose. Yet the script for
>BATTLE comes full circle, setting up the Mutant community so that its
>future development (i.e. what we see of it in BENEATH) follows as a
>matter of course.
>I'm sorry, but the "racial apocalypse" (as Eric Greene termed it in
>his book) seen in BENEATH will always loom over the heads of the
>inhabitants of the planet of the apes throughout its 20-century
>timeline, as long as the "doomsday bomb" is still around and capable
>of being triggered. There is NO indication that that bomb is rendered
>incapable of doing what it was designed to do--destroy the entire
>planet, and THAT makes the circular timeline particularly compelling
>to me.

>From: "Eileen Rankin" <emr1623@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2
>Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:28:49 -0500
>
>What's a vcd????
>
>Eileen
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Calima 5021
>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:27 PM
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2
>
>Anytime Helen.
>There will be more in the future.
>There's a software called: Easy CD Creator 5 PLATINUM.
>This not only records CD music and data discs but also VCD's that can play
>on your DVD player.
>
>Best and thanks.
>Al
>
>
>
> >From: "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2
> >Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:52:50 -0000
> >
>
>
>
>
>_____

>>How many women really get into Sci-Fi?????????? 

----- Original Message -----

From: Eileen Rankin

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes

I know... I have a box full of the comics... they were a favorite of mine long before I got into POTA!  As a comic, it would be interesting... but I don't think it would go over too well as a movie.

 

Eileen  

 

PS...  Does that make me odd?  How many women really get into Sci-Fi?????????? 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:46 AM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes

 

  Don't give them any ideas! POTA is still property of "Dark Horse", king of
the crossovers ("Aliens vs. Predator").
        - - - Jeff


----- Original Message -----
From: "emr1623" <emr1623@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes


> I think they should get Scott in on it and let him bring his aliens
> (Giger's aliens, actually) and then we can see who Rules the
> Planet... LOL
>
> Eileen
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
> > I don't see how they'll fix the mess they made, but...
> >
> > Bruce Willis is good with guns.  He should be a gorilla.  Ridley
> > Scott would certainly bring in some women.  A female gorilla?
> (YES!)
> > Maybe Demi Moore?
> >
> > --Helen
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > >   What took Willis so long? I swore off "Die Hard" a long time
> ago.
> > Scott said he'd only do "Alien 5" if the script is right. A man
> after
> > my own heart. He should do "Apes 2" (he's signed with
> Fox).          -
> >  - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Haristas@a...
> > >   To: pota@y...
> > >   Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:10 AM
> > >   Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fox needs Apes
> > >
> > >
> > >   Well, don't get too excited.  It's just that there are two
> > stories on Cinescape.com today that Bruce Willis swears off any
> more
> > DIE HARDs, and Ridley Scott has passed on ALIEN 5, so maybe Fox
> will
> > HAVE to do an APES II now -- if that's anything to look forward to.
> > >
> > >   -- Rory
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