--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Yeah sorry Eileen but I can't stand the lack of logic involved in a
lot of
> the conclusions being made around here. Ignorance seems to
dominate and now
> there are people making assumptions based on what some guy who
worked at Fox
> overheard - hardly a convincing argument.
>
> Anyhow sorry about the rib for spelling - that was totally uncalled
for and
> really quite silly as I believe we are all vulnerable when it comes
to
> spelling errors - so long as we know what we mean who cares?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eileen Rankin [emr1623@m...]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 0:51
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
>
>
> Now that's cold....
>
> Eileen
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: james611102
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:11 AM
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
>
>
> USA of course. Remember it's America's world, you all just live
in
> it;-)
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > About as familiar as you are with how to spell economics I'd
say!
> >
> > Are we talking about the economics of the WORLD film industry
or
> just the
> > USA?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:34
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess you're not familiar with the ecnomics of the film
> industry.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > Well sorry James but that does not make a lot of sense to
me,
> but
> > > only time
> > > > will tell.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: JamesA1102@a... [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 23:23
> > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered
> Timeline
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > True they did want a more upbeat film but the final cut
> submitted
> > > > > by Jacob and Thompson included those scenes. One of the
lobby
> > > > > cards is of that scene and there's even article in the
> > > > > promotional Herald about it. A friend of mine worked at
FOX in
> > > > > the 80s. The story is the film was trimed at the last
minute
> to
> > > > > fit in extra showing.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > I thought I heard Jacobs had those removed because
he
> wanted
> > > a happier
> > > > > > movie. The bomb stuff turned it into a downer. They
were
> > > > > planning another
> > > > > > sequel then at some point during "Battle" they
decided to
> end
> > > > > it. Maybe it
> > > > > > being the wrap-up they decided to go out positively.
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--- In pota@y..., "ThyPentacle" <agnosticdragon@y...> wrote:
> The world belongs to whoever has the most destructive capability,
and that is currently us. Though I don't think we have the balls to
use our big weapons anymore. Shit, we lost over 6000 citizens to
terrorism in New York and that was on U.S. soil. Pearl Harbor wasn't
even within our shores and we still bombed the hell out of Japan for
attacking it. That one could've even been avoided. I've read that we
had prior radar warning of them coming, but radar was in it's early
stages and the information wasn't trusted.
>
> I can understand why most countries hate us though. We're kinda
like the spoiled rich kid on the block.
>
>
> ThyPentacle
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 5:56 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Whose World?
>
>
> That would almost be funny if it were not the attitude of most
americans.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 21:11
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> >
> >
> > USA of course. Remember it's America's world, you all just live
in
> > it;-)
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > About as familiar as you are with how to spell economics I'd
say!
> > >
> > > Are we talking about the economics of the WORLD film industry
or
> > just the
> > > USA?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:34
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess you're not familiar with the ecnomics of the film
> > industry.
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Well sorry James but that does not make a lot of sense to
me,
> > but
> > > > only time
> > > > > will tell.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: JamesA1102@a... [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 23:23
> > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered
> > Timeline
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > True they did want a more upbeat film but the final cut
> > submitted
> > > > > > by Jacob and Thompson included those scenes. One of the
lobby
> > > > > > cards is of that scene and there's even article in the
> > > > > > promotional Herald about it. A friend of mine worked at
FOX in
> > > > > > the 80s. The story is the film was trimed at the last
minute
> > to
> > > > > > fit in extra showing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > > I thought I heard Jacobs had those removed because
he
> > wanted
> > > > a happier
> > > > > > > movie. The bomb stuff turned it into a downer. They
were
> > > > > > planning another
> > > > > > > sequel then at some point during "Battle" they
decided to
> > end
> > > > > > it. Maybe it
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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:42 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The Time Machine

Beware the new movie "The Time Machine," for it is the harbinger of a waste of two hours.  Shun it, for it is Uber Bad!

Now, I hope the idiots who made this turkey don't get hired by Fox to do the next APES -- if there is a next one.

-- Rory

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>I don't think the
> Roman Empire was too well liked in its day, but everybody wanted to

> citizen!
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/9/02 7:01:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > Wow you have no sense of humor!!!!
> >
> >
>
> James, stop speaking in obsolutes! Aussies have a different sense
of humor
> than we Yanks. Look at how huge Paul Hogan was in Australia long
before we
> ever heard of him. Did you ever see his TV show? Talk about a
poor man's
> Benny Hill.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I am making a point - my reasoning here has about as much basis as
a lot of
> the conclusions being made around here.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 10:17
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Battle enigma
> >
> >
> > I think you've had enough Foster's for one night. LOL
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > I think they cut the scenes because they knew the Statue of
Liberty
> > was out
> > > there.
> > >
> > > I know this because Jacobs also produced "Dolittle".
> > >
> > > So argue with that!
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Haristas@a... [Haristas@a...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 5:25
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Battle enigma
> > >
> > >
> > > James' story that the scenes with the bomb (and others) were cut
> > from BATTLE
> > > in order to fit in more playing times doesn't seem right to me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >

> --- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> If [they're] not in NYC then where are they? Why would they move

> the radioactive underground ruins of one city and settle in the
> radioactive underground ruins of another? That just doesn't make

> sense. Of course, they are not in NYC maybe it is an altered

> as Rory states.
>
> --Is there ANY visible detail of Breck's city that even remotely
> suggests that it is New York City? Absolutely not! Look above the
> horizon--do you see any recognizable NYC skyscrapers throughout
> CONQUEST? Nope.
> Why would the "mutants" move from the "radioactive underground

> of one city" etc.? This begs the question: Why does Kolp's group

> in the ruins of Breck's city? Why doesn't he lead his radiation-
> scarred people out to some habitable area unblasted by nukes?
> Kolp's group must have sources for food and water, otherwise they
> would have died of starvation long before Caesar goes snooping

> their Archives section. Somehow, Kolp's people are able to survive

> that underground ruin, with Kolp keeping them busy with tasks
> (scavenging, repairing, guarding, etc.). Somehow, between CONQUEST
> (1991) and BATTLE (c. 2018, "27 years" after Mandemus became the
> Keeper of Caesar's Armory), Kolp acquires the Alpha Omega Bomb--
> perhaps he doesn't want to move his people elsewhere because moving
> the Bomb would be logistically difficult.
> After BATTLE, the odds of Mendez' group being interfered with by

> diminishes, since Caesar doesn't want to antagonize them anymore,
> allowing the defeated "mutants" to return to their home.
>
> It hasn't been addressed yet (as far as I can recall), but one
> wonders: How do the "mutants" acquire their telepathic abilities?

> it the result of radiation exposure? Could it be that exposure to
> radiation is only ONE factor in the emergence of that mentalic
> "mutation"?
> How about living UNDERGROUND? Might that have an effect on the
> cognitive abilities of a population of people?
> Let us suppose that it is--in part--the lack of exposure to

> which affects the Mendez group, generation after generation, so

> their brains have to "cook up" neuro-chemicals to compensate for

> lack of sunlight. Perhaps the "illusion"-casting ability evolves
> sometime in the mid-to-late 21st century, and can only be

> when the "mutant" goes out into the sunlight... just as vampires

> only use their paranormal powers either at night or out of sunlight
> (in Bram Stoker's novel, DRACULA, the Count is not killed by

> he merely loses his supernatural abilities when exposed to it;

> a scene in the novel where Van Helsing and his pals await Dracula's
> return to one of his secret London properties, hoping to kill him
> during the day, when he can't turn into a bat or a wolf or a mist;
> they nearly succeed. It is only in movie versions which are

> to Stoker's novel--and in other vampire movies & books--where

> to sunlight actually kills the Undead; it ain't that way in the
> original book).
> Let us suppose, then, that the Mendez group doesn't wish to lose

> telepathic powers--which exposure to sunlight diminishes--so that

> MUST stay underground in order to keep those abilities.
> What would happen, then, if they were somehow forced to abandon the
> ruins of Breck's city (perhaps a couple centuries later)? What if
> tectonic activity (earthquakes and volcanoes) were to become so

> that their very survival depended upon them leaving the CONQUEST/
> BATTLE location... and finding some other subterranean location
> suitable for their telepathic needs?
> In my scenario, this is what prompts one of the line of Mendez to

> his people out across country--their Holy Bomb with them--perhaps
> through subsurface, cross-country military-built tunnels (through
> which--prior to the Nuke War--the U.S. military transferred nuclear
> weapons and other materiel, away from the prying eyes of enemy
> satellites). When they get to the hollow caverns beneath the

> of the "New York area Forbidden Zone", they find that it "fits the
> bill", and set up shop, so to speak.
> It's just their luck that the Lawgiver will end up leading

> of apes to occupy their "next door" territory...
>
> You don't have to agree with my scenario, mind you. All I'm saying

> that it IS consistent with the details given in the filmed saga,

> it DOES make sense. At least to me, anyway.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 3-09-2002

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> > This story was total BS but many Trekies
> > sworn it was true even though Star Trek IV came out over a year
>
> Then what is the truth?

--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> To: pota@y...
> Okay, the people from both the mutant and ape city cultures trekked
across
> the entire continent from California to New York for some reason,
with the
> mutants somehow lugging a nuclear bomb along the whole way. In an
> unbelievable coincidence, both cultures begin and end up only a few
days
> of walking distance away from each other. But maybe everybody
wanted to be
> near the Statue of Liberty. Did you write the Marvel timeline?
You're a
> menace to society.
>
> -Tom
>
>
>
>
>

>
> I don't get the feeling Zaius was ever in the Forbidden Zone

> less that far from Ape City --, and I doubt there were "secret

> said, "And if you go up the coast several miles you'll find the

> statue with a female human face on it. Beware the Statue, for it

> harbinger of Chuck's return." Phooey to that! Zaius has only the

> idea of the past. I don't think, AND DON'T WANT TO THINK, that it

> much beyond the sophistication of "And Proteus brought the upright

> into the garden and tied him to a tree, and the children they did

> of him."
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/9/02 5:33:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> agnosticdragon@y... writes:
>
>
> > You're right, hate is a strong word. With all that's going on
over here in
> > the U.S., I should really be careful with that word. So maybe
it's more
> > correct to say that most countries don't like us all that much,
and a few
> > hate us. That works better. Also, I entirely agree that America
tries to
> > push it's ways on other countries far too often.
> >
> > ThyPentacle
> >
> >
>
> What's turning the rest of the world "American," and it is turning
that way
> you can bet your ass it is, isn't some imperlistic force of arms,
it's
> Goddamn commercialism, an 'ism' as bad as any other. The whole
world is just
> one vast market, and we're all expected to play our part and be
happy little
> consumers. I'm telling you right now "It's the end of the World!
Help me!"
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> I'm alternating proud and ashamed. Some of my
> fellow Americans and Texans make me feel ashamed, at times, of
being and
> American, and a Texan.

----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:15 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Whose World?

Hey I meant it as a joke. As someone that worked in the Trade Center
and was lucky enough to survive in 9/11 I don't support that
additude.
PS It was 3000 people, not 6000, that perished on 9/11. No less
horrific but get your facts straight.

--- In pota@y..., "ThyPentacle" <agnosticdragon@y...> wrote:
> The world belongs to whoever has the most destructive capability,
and that is currently us. Though I don't think we have the balls to
use our big weapons anymore. Shit, we lost over 6000 citizens to
terrorism in New York and that was on U.S. soil. Pearl Harbor wasn't
even within our shores and we still bombed the hell out of Japan for
attacking it. That one could've even been avoided. I've read that we
had prior radar warning of them coming, but radar was in it's early
stages and the information wasn't trusted.
>
> I can understand why most countries hate us though. We're kinda
like the spoiled rich kid on the block.
>
>
> ThyPentacle
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>   From: Michael Whitty
>   To: pota@y...
>   Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 5:56 PM
>   Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Whose World?
>
>
>   That would almost be funny if it were not the attitude of most
americans.
>
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
>   > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 21:11
>   > To: pota@y...
>   > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
>   >
>   >
>   > USA of course. Remember it's America's world, you all just live
in
>   > it;-)
>   >
>   >
>   > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>   > > About as familiar as you are with how to spell economics I'd
say!
>   > >
>   > > Are we talking about the economics of the WORLD film industry
or
>   > just the
>   > > USA?
>   > >
>   > > Michael
>   > >
>   > > > -----Original Message-----
>   > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
>   > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:34
>   > > > To: pota@y...
>   > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > I guess you're not familiar with the ecnomics of the film
>   > industry.
>   > > >
>   > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>   > > > > Well sorry James but that does not make a lot of sense to
me,
>   > but
>   > > > only time
>   > > > > will tell.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Michael
>   > > > >
>   > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>   > > > > > From: JamesA1102@a... [JamesA1102@a...]
>   > > > > > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 23:23
>   > > > > > To: pota@y...
>   > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered
>   > Timeline
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > True they did want a more upbeat film but the final cut
>   > submitted
>   > > > > > by Jacob and Thompson included those scenes. One of the
lobby
>   > > > > > cards is of that scene and there's even article in the
>   > > > > > promotional Herald about it. A friend of mine worked at
FOX in
>   > > > > > the 80s. The story is the film was trimed at the last
minute
>   > to
>   > > > > > fit in extra showing.
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   > > > > > >   I thought I heard Jacobs had those removed because
he
>   > wanted
>   > > > a happier
>   > > > > > > movie. The bomb stuff turned it into a downer. They
were
>   > > > > > planning another
>   > > > > > > sequel then at some point during "Battle" they
decided to
>   > end
>   > > > > > it. Maybe it
>   > > > > > > being the wrap-up they decided to go out positively.
>   > > > > >  - - - Jeff
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--- In pota@y..., "ThyPentacle" <agnosticdragon@y...> wrote:
> PS It was 3000 people, not 6000, that perished on 9/11. No less
> horrific but get your facts straight.
>
> Sorry, that was the amount stated shortly after it happened. Like a
few days later or something. I didn't care to hear any more about it
after that so my facts are out of date.
>
> ThyPentacle
>
> P.S. Are you including all the people that died on the planes that
crashed into the buildings as well in that number?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: james611102
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Whose World?
>
>
> Hey I meant it as a joke. As someone that worked in the Trade
Center
> and was lucky enough to survive in 9/11 I don't support that
> additude.
> PS It was 3000 people, not 6000, that perished on 9/11. No less
> horrific but get your facts straight.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "ThyPentacle" <agnosticdragon@y...> wrote:
> > The world belongs to whoever has the most destructive
capability,
> and that is currently us. Though I don't think we have the balls
to
> use our big weapons anymore. Shit, we lost over 6000 citizens to
> terrorism in New York and that was on U.S. soil. Pearl Harbor
wasn't
> even within our shores and we still bombed the hell out of Japan
for
> attacking it. That one could've even been avoided. I've read that
we
> had prior radar warning of them coming, but radar was in it's
early
> stages and the information wasn't trusted.
> >
> > I can understand why most countries hate us though. We're kinda
> like the spoiled rich kid on the block.
> >
> >
> > ThyPentacle
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> > From: Michael Whitty
> > To: pota@y...
> > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 5:56 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Whose World?
> >
> >
> > That would almost be funny if it were not the attitude of
most
> americans.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 21:11
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > >
> > >
> > > USA of course. Remember it's America's world, you all just
live
> in
> > > it;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > About as familiar as you are with how to spell economics
I'd
> say!
> > > >
> > > > Are we talking about the economics of the WORLD film
industry
> or
> > > just the
> > > > USA?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:34
> > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess you're not familiar with the ecnomics of the
film
> > > industry.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > Well sorry James but that does not make a lot of
sense to
> me,
> > > but
> > > > > only time
> > > > > > will tell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: JamesA1102@a... [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 23:23
> > > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs.
Altered
> > > Timeline
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > True they did want a more upbeat film but the final
cut
> > > submitted
> > > > > > > by Jacob and Thompson included those scenes. One of
the
> lobby
> > > > > > > cards is of that scene and there's even article in
the
> > > > > > > promotional Herald about it. A friend of mine
worked at
> FOX in
> > > > > > > the 80s. The story is the film was trimed at the
last
> minute
> > > to
> > > > > > > fit in extra showing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I thought I heard Jacobs had those removed
because
> he
> > > wanted
> > > > > a happier
> > > > > > > > movie. The bomb stuff turned it into a downer.
They
> were
> > > > > > > planning another
> > > > > > > > sequel then at some point during "Battle" they
> decided to
> > > end
> > > > > > > it. Maybe it
> > > > > > > > being the wrap-up they decided to go out
positively.
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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 9:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Whose World?

we lost over 6000 citizens to terrorism in New York and that was on U.S. soil.

I do believe you figures are inflated and outdated.  But even if everyone got out alive that's neither hear nor there.  We should have been more active the first time they bombed it.  And I think you're a little of the beam on the nukes.  I don't think it takes balls to use thermonuclear devices, just stupidity.  When you think about it, with all the nuclear testing ... WW III already happened!  It just wasn't directed ant anyone in particular.  I don't know who we'd nuke.  Oh sure it sounds fun.  But we aren't at war with Afghanistan and where the really bad guys are it too mountainous. Or Iraq for that matter get Saddam out of there and you're set!  And North Korea...Well all they want is some decent food.  Everyone should be free!  Free to be what they want to be!  As long as they aren't hurting anyone.  And if they don't agree with that...well, as someone once said, chop their head off, drive nails in them, and send it to their parents in a garbage bag!  Okay maybe that's a little off the beam.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sammo Law

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:23 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2

i have neither of the things u mentioned.  do u know where i can get them?

-Sammo_of_Borg

 

>From: "ThyPentacle"

>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>To:

>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2

>Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:36:50 -0500

>

>Do you have Easy CD Creator or Nero? Either of those will do it easily simply by running the wizard and going step be step to create the VCD.

>

>ThyPentacle

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Sammo Law

> To: pota@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 10:54 AM

> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2

>

>

> is there a way to burn vcds onto a R-cd with my cd burner?

>

> -Sammo_of_Borg

>

> >From: "Calima 5021"

> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com

> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com

> >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2

> >Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:38:45 -0500

> >

> >A VCD is the same as a Audio CD, instead of you making an audio CD with a

> >regular CD, you make a "Video CD" that can be played on a DVD player.

> >And so there is software out there that can do this.

> >

> >Burns just the same as you would an audio CD. That's why my videos are so

> >big in size. Simply for those who can download and burn themselves. Although

> >nothing beats DVD, VCD or SVCD is the next best thing. "Super Video CD".

> >(clearer picture but even bigger in size when it comes to the file itself)

> >

> >Best.

> >Al

> >

> >

> >

> > >From: "Eileen Rankin"

> > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com

> > >To:

> > >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2

> > >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:28:49 -0500

> > >

> > >What's a vcd????

> > >

> > >Eileen

> > >

> > >----- Original Message -----

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> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:27 PM

> > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com

> > >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2

> > >

> > >Anytime Helen.

> > >There will be more in the future.

> > >There's a software called: Easy CD Creator 5 PLATINUM.

> > >This not only records CD music and data discs but also VCD's that can play

> > >on your DVD player.

> > >

> > >Best and thanks.

> > >Al

> > >

> > >

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> > > >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Music Video 2

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:42 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The Time Machine

Beware the new movie "The Time Machine," for it is the harbinger of a waste of two hours.  Shun it, for it is Uber Bad!

Now, I hope the idiots who made this turkey don't get hired by Fox to do the next APES -- if there is a next one.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Whose World?

In a message dated 3/9/02 5:33:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, agnosticdragon@... writes:

You're right, hate is a strong word. With all that's going on over here in the U.S., I should really be careful with that word. So maybe it's more correct to say that most countries don't like us all that much, and a few hate us. That works better.  Also, I entirely agree that America tries to push it's ways on other countries far too often.

ThyPentacle

What's turning the rest of the world "American," and it is turning that way you can bet your ass it is, isn't some imperlistic force of arms, it's Goddamn commercialism, an 'ism' as bad as any other.  The whole world is just one vast market, and we're all expected to play our part and be happy little consumers.  I'm telling you right now "It's the end of the World!  Help me!"

-- Rory
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--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Because he was a bit sloppy?
>
> Would it be inappropriate of me to say that you jump to conclusions?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:38
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
> >
> >
> > The whole story of the wrap around being filmed to lenthen the
film
> > is a total myth. And if Jacobs wanted those scenes removed why
did he
> > publish the promotional herald that included pictures and text
about
> > the bomb?

--- In pota@y..., "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
Welcome back, Patrick.

I agree with Rory. If the Statue was the issue, why not dismantle the
Statue? I always assumed the Forbidden Zone was forbidden because of
the radiation. If it was otherwise, more would have been made of the
Statue.

--Helen

In my scenario, the Sacred Scrolls were a collection of "scripture"
written over the course of several centuries (just as the Bible was),
with the first of them being written c. 2755 by the human-hating
opponent of the group seen in BATTLE c. 2670. The first of the "Sacred
Scrolls" are a "historical revision" of Simian history, throwing out
the stories of Humans enslaving Apes, etc., in favor of a doctrine
which becomes the "First Article of Faith": that "the Almighty created
the Ape in His own image... and made him the lord of the planet"--and
"refuting" the notion that Humans ever had a prior, superior
civilization.
The "last" and "greatest" Lawgiver (for the revisionist human-haters)
writes at a time when Apes have been ruling over subjugated Humans
(i.e. the TV-show era, c. 3085), and he hates humanity so much that he
calls upon all apes to drive humans back into their jungle lair,
"...for he is the harbinger of death" (Sacred Scrolls, 29:6). This
particular Lawgiver (THE Lawgiver, to those who follow his teachings)
leads an "exodus" of Apes away from the California area to the New
York City area (perhaps having been there on a previous journey,
scouting it out prior to the "great Journey"); he knows about the
Statue of Liberty out there, and knows that that "vast, barren area"
is incapable of supporting life, since nothing will grow there. He has
his own map of the area, and he himself sets the limits on where his
devoted followers can go.
Why doesn't this Lawgiver dismantle the Statue? How easy would that
be? Why should he risk having others in his Following (other than the
few who will be entrusted with "the Terrible Secret") find out about
its existence, since exposure to it will harm their "faith"? If this
group doesn't happen to have a butt-load of TNT at their disposal,
then blowing it up is out of the question.
Besides, it serves as a vivid reminder to the few who will be allowed
to know the truth about the prior Human civilization--the lineage of
Zaius will hand down, father-to-son, not only the academic knowledge
about the true Past... but will also be shown--at a "coming-of-age"
ceremony similar to an "initiation" into a "secret society"--the
shocking MONUMENT to Man's downfall: the iconic Statue, in ruins...
Feel free to prefer Rory's interpretation over my interpretation and
scenario. Mine makes more sense to ME, however.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 3-09-2002

-----
Rory, you're the one who seems to favor a PLANET-only outlook
(dismissing BENEATH as a "mess" and so on)... so you tell me: what
ELSE could Zaius' line ("... you may not like what you'll find...") be
referring to?

Well. . . . the fact that in the apes' pre-history the area that would
become know as the Forbidden Zone was highly radioactive and therefore
literally deadly might have A LOT to do with why it would be declared
Forbidden. It isn't necessary to believe something silly like that
apes know of The Statue of Liberty, and as far as Zaius' line, "You
may not like what you find," well that simply implies that he knows
Taylor will PROBABLY find evidence of his destroyed civilization, NOT
that he literally knows exactly what Taylor will see.
-- Rory

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 21:09
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
>
>
> I'm not jumping to any conclusions. I know for a fact the Director's
> cut submitted by Jacobs and Thompson included those scenes. When FOX
> need to cut the films running time, those scenes had scored low in
> previews so they were cut.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Because he was a bit sloppy?
> >
> > Would it be inappropriate of me to say that you jump to conclusions?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:38
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
> > >
> > >
> > > The whole story of the wrap around being filmed to lenthen the
> film
> > > is a total myth. And if Jacobs wanted those scenes removed why
> did he
> > > publish the promotional herald that included pictures and text
> about
> > > the bomb?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 10:00
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes - this posting is
> rated "M" for mature audiences (that includes Rory)
>
>
> Wow you have no sense of humor!!!!
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > No, you just jump to that conclusion based on very little evidence -
> again.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 21:12
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes - this
> posting is
> > > rated "M" for mature audiences (that includes Rory)
> > >
> > >
> > > Now I know you've had too much Foster's.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > I'll bet they're all fucked up on coke and don't even remember
> what
> > > happened
> > > > yesterday!!!
> > > >
> > > > And they are probably almost as full of shit as you are James.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 10:16
> > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do what you want but I've been in the marketing and
> advertising
> > > > > business for over 10 years now and have friends that have
> worked
> > > at
> > > > > all the major studios here & in LA.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > > > > In a message dated 3/8/02 5:36:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess you're not familiar with the ecnomics of the film
> > > industry
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the only source for your story about BATTLE is "some guy
> you
> > > > > once knew who
> > > > > > worked at Fox in the 80's," then I think we should all take
> > > > > whatever you say
> > > > > > with a grain of salt. It's simply the mature thing to do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- Rory
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 10:12
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape-ologies
>
>
> This was not what some guy at FOX over heard. This was someone very
> involved with the creation and marketing of the videos back in the
> 80s. Now who's jumping to conclusions. I think you just can't handle
> the truth when it differs with your own misconceptions. A lot of
> myths get circulated in fandom that just aren't true. These stories
> spread and get twisted around to nothing recognizable from the true
> facts. Here's one, when Star Trek VI was released several minutes
> were trimed at the last minute (these were restored in the VHS
> release). These scenes feature Rene Auberjonois who later played Odo
> on Deep Space Nine. The story that got out in fandom was that his
> scenes were cut so as not confuse the audience having two characters
> played by the same actor. This story was total BS but many Trekies
> sworn it was true even though Star Trek IV came out over a year
> before DS9 premiered and several months before Rene was cast in it.
> And I know this story is true cause it was told to me by a friend
> that worked on both the DS9 and Voyager series.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Yeah sorry Eileen but I can't stand the lack of logic involved in a
> lot of
> > the conclusions being made around here. Ignorance seems to
> dominate and now
> > there are people making assumptions based on what some guy who
> worked at Fox
> > overheard - hardly a convincing argument.
> >
> > Anyhow sorry about the rib for spelling - that was totally uncalled
> for and
> > really quite silly as I believe we are all vulnerable when it comes
> to
> > spelling errors - so long as we know what we mean who cares?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eileen Rankin [emr1623@m...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 0:51
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> >
> >
> > Now that's cold....
> >
> > Eileen
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: james611102
> > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:11 AM
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> >
> >
> > USA of course. Remember it's America's world, you all just live
> in
> > it;-)
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > About as familiar as you are with how to spell economics I'd
> say!
> > >
> > > Are we talking about the economics of the WORLD film industry
> or
> > just the
> > > USA?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:34
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess you're not familiar with the ecnomics of the film
> > industry.
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Well sorry James but that does not make a lot of sense to
> me,
> > but
> > > > only time
> > > > > will tell.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: JamesA1102@a... [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 23:23
> > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered
> > Timeline
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > True they did want a more upbeat film but the final cut
> > submitted
> > > > > > by Jacob and Thompson included those scenes. One of the
> lobby
> > > > > > cards is of that scene and there's even article in the
> > > > > > promotional Herald about it. A friend of mine worked at
> FOX in
> > > > > > the 80s. The story is the film was trimed at the last
> minute
> > to
> > > > > > fit in extra showing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > > I thought I heard Jacobs had those removed because
> he
> > wanted
> > > > a happier
> > > > > > > movie. The bomb stuff turned it into a downer. They
> were
> > > > > > planning another
> > > > > > > sequel then at some point during "Battle" they
> decided to
> > end
> > > > > > it. Maybe it
> > > > > > > being the wrap-up they decided to go out positively.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 10:40
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes - this posting is
> rated "M" fo...
>
>
> Yes I saw Paul Hogan's TV show and loved it. I have been a big fan of
> his for years. I even went to see Crocodile Dundee on the first day
> it openned before it became a phenonenon.
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/9/02 7:01:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Wow you have no sense of humor!!!!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > James, stop speaking in obsolutes! Aussies have a different sense
> of humor
> > than we Yanks. Look at how huge Paul Hogan was in Australia long
> before we
> > ever heard of him. Did you ever see his TV show? Talk about a
> poor man's
> > Benny Hill.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
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--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Like I said before James, most of us in this group poke endearing
fun at
> eachother all the time.
>
> Problems start when people aren't having a good week or when they
choose to
> get sensitive or take offense - which is easy with email.
>
> Michael (Paul Hogan's son)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 10:00
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes - this
posting is
> > rated "M" for mature audiences (that includes Rory)
> >
> >
> > Wow you have no sense of humor!!!!
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > No, you just jump to that conclusion based on very little
evidence -
> > again.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 21:12
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes - this
> > posting is
> > > > rated "M" for mature audiences (that includes Rory)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now I know you've had too much Foster's.
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > I'll bet they're all fucked up on coke and don't even
remember
> > what
> > > > happened
> > > > > yesterday!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > And they are probably almost as full of shit as you are
James.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 10:16
> > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do what you want but I've been in the marketing and
> > advertising
> > > > > > business for over 10 years now and have friends that have
> > worked
> > > > at
> > > > > > all the major studios here & in LA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > > > > > In a message dated 3/8/02 5:36:55 PM Eastern Standard
Time,
> > > > > > > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I guess you're not familiar with the ecnomics of the
film
> > > > industry
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the only source for your story about BATTLE is "some
guy
> > you
> > > > > > once knew who
> > > > > > > worked at Fox in the 80's," then I think we should all
take
> > > > > > whatever you say
> > > > > > > with a grain of salt. It's simply the mature thing to
do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Rory
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> And you base this on the recollections of some guy who worked at
Fox at the
> time?
>
> I can't say I'd label him an expert witness is all I'm saying.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 21:09
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
> >
> >
> > I'm not jumping to any conclusions. I know for a fact the
Director's
> > cut submitted by Jacobs and Thompson included those scenes. When
FOX
> > need to cut the films running time, those scenes had scored low in
> > previews so they were cut.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > Because he was a bit sloppy?
> > >
> > > Would it be inappropriate of me to say that you jump to
conclusions?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:38
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The whole story of the wrap around being filmed to lenthen the
> > film
> > > > is a total myth. And if Jacobs wanted those scenes removed why
> > did he
> > > > publish the promotional herald that included pictures and text
> > about
> > > > the bomb?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> James you're an idiot if you think this is the truth.
>
> An idiot.
>
> Was this guy from Fox in the room when the decision was made? Did
they
> consult with him?
>
> You have absolutely no evidence for your conclusion.
>
> Don't try ramming your bullshit down my throat.
>
> Find some real, genuine evidence and I may believe you.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 10:12
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape-ologies
> >
> >
> > This was not what some guy at FOX over heard. This was someone
very
> > involved with the creation and marketing of the videos back in the
> > 80s. Now who's jumping to conclusions. I think you just can't
handle
> > the truth when it differs with your own misconceptions. A lot of
> > myths get circulated in fandom that just aren't true. These
stories
> > spread and get twisted around to nothing recognizable from the
true
> > facts. Here's one, when Star Trek VI was released several minutes
> > were trimed at the last minute (these were restored in the VHS
> > release). These scenes feature Rene Auberjonois who later played
Odo
> > on Deep Space Nine. The story that got out in fandom was that his
> > scenes were cut so as not confuse the audience having two
characters
> > played by the same actor. This story was total BS but many Trekies
> > sworn it was true even though Star Trek IV came out over a year
> > before DS9 premiered and several months before Rene was cast in
it.
> > And I know this story is true cause it was told to me by a friend
> > that worked on both the DS9 and Voyager series.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > Yeah sorry Eileen but I can't stand the lack of logic involved
in a
> > lot of
> > > the conclusions being made around here. Ignorance seems to
> > dominate and now
> > > there are people making assumptions based on what some guy who
> > worked at Fox
> > > overheard - hardly a convincing argument.
> > >
> > > Anyhow sorry about the rib for spelling - that was totally
uncalled
> > for and
> > > really quite silly as I believe we are all vulnerable when it
comes
> > to
> > > spelling errors - so long as we know what we mean who cares?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Eileen Rankin [emr1623@m...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 0:51
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > >
> > >
> > > Now that's cold....
> > >
> > > Eileen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: james611102
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:11 AM
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > >
> > >
> > > USA of course. Remember it's America's world, you all just
live
> > in
> > > it;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > About as familiar as you are with how to spell economics
I'd
> > say!
> > > >
> > > > Are we talking about the economics of the WORLD film
industry
> > or
> > > just the
> > > > USA?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:34
> > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess you're not familiar with the ecnomics of the
film
> > > industry.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > Well sorry James but that does not make a lot of
sense to
> > me,
> > > but
> > > > > only time
> > > > > > will tell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: JamesA1102@a... [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 23:23
> > > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs.
Altered
> > > Timeline
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > True they did want a more upbeat film but the final
cut
> > > submitted
> > > > > > > by Jacob and Thompson included those scenes. One of
the
> > lobby
> > > > > > > cards is of that scene and there's even article in
the
> > > > > > > promotional Herald about it. A friend of mine
worked at
> > FOX in
> > > > > > > the 80s. The story is the film was trimed at the
last
> > minute
> > > to
> > > > > > > fit in extra showing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I thought I heard Jacobs had those removed
because
> > he
> > > wanted
> > > > > a happier
> > > > > > > > movie. The bomb stuff turned it into a downer.
They
> > were
> > > > > > > planning another
> > > > > > > > sequel then at some point during "Battle" they
> > decided to
> > > end
> > > > > > > it. Maybe it
> > > > > > > > being the wrap-up they decided to go out
positively.
> > > > > > > - - - Jeff
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 11:55
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Whose World? OT
>
>
> Never be ashamed of who you are or where you came from.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > I'm alternating proud and ashamed. Some of my
> > fellow Americans and Texans make me feel ashamed, at times, of
> being and
> > American, and a Texan.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 17:29
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
>
>
> Hey if you don't want to believe me that's fine. He is a trust friend
> of mine for over 15 years and has no reason to lie to me. Stuff like
> this goes on in the film industry all the time. The term "Director's
> Cut" wasn't invented for DVDs.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > And you base this on the recollections of some guy who worked at
> Fox at the
> > time?
> >
> > I can't say I'd label him an expert witness is all I'm saying.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 21:09
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not jumping to any conclusions. I know for a fact the
> Director's
> > > cut submitted by Jacobs and Thompson included those scenes. When
> FOX
> > > need to cut the films running time, those scenes had scored low in
> > > previews so they were cut.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > Because he was a bit sloppy?
> > > >
> > > > Would it be inappropriate of me to say that you jump to
> conclusions?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:38
> > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The whole story of the wrap around being filmed to lenthen the
> > > film
> > > > > is a total myth. And if Jacobs wanted those scenes removed why
> > > did he
> > > > > publish the promotional herald that included pictures and text
> > > about
> > > > > the bomb?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 17:37
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape-ologies
>
>
> In answer to your first question YES he was in the room. He lobbyed
> to have the Director's Cut that was released to TV stations issued as
> part of the Playhouse series. He was over ruled by higher ups cause
> it would cost too much to restore that print. I'm just stating fact
> as they have been related to me. You're the one jumping to
> conclusions here mate, just because this doesn't jibe with what you'd
> like to believe.
>
> PS I don't give a damn any more if you had a bad week.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > James you're an idiot if you think this is the truth.
> >
> > An idiot.
> >
> > Was this guy from Fox in the room when the decision was made? Did
> they
> > consult with him?
> >
> > You have absolutely no evidence for your conclusion.
> >
> > Don't try ramming your bullshit down my throat.
> >
> > Find some real, genuine evidence and I may believe you.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 10:12
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape-ologies
> > >
> > >
> > > This was not what some guy at FOX over heard. This was someone
> very
> > > involved with the creation and marketing of the videos back in the
> > > 80s. Now who's jumping to conclusions. I think you just can't
> handle
> > > the truth when it differs with your own misconceptions. A lot of
> > > myths get circulated in fandom that just aren't true. These
> stories
> > > spread and get twisted around to nothing recognizable from the
> true
> > > facts. Here's one, when Star Trek VI was released several minutes
> > > were trimed at the last minute (these were restored in the VHS
> > > release). These scenes feature Rene Auberjonois who later played
> Odo
> > > on Deep Space Nine. The story that got out in fandom was that his
> > > scenes were cut so as not confuse the audience having two
> characters
> > > played by the same actor. This story was total BS but many Trekies
> > > sworn it was true even though Star Trek IV came out over a year
> > > before DS9 premiered and several months before Rene was cast in
> it.
> > > And I know this story is true cause it was told to me by a friend
> > > that worked on both the DS9 and Voyager series.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > Yeah sorry Eileen but I can't stand the lack of logic involved
> in a
> > > lot of
> > > > the conclusions being made around here. Ignorance seems to
> > > dominate and now
> > > > there are people making assumptions based on what some guy who
> > > worked at Fox
> > > > overheard - hardly a convincing argument.
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow sorry about the rib for spelling - that was totally
> uncalled
> > > for and
> > > > really quite silly as I believe we are all vulnerable when it
> comes
> > > to
> > > > spelling errors - so long as we know what we mean who cares?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Eileen Rankin [emr1623@m...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 0:51
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now that's cold....
> > > >
> > > > Eileen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: james611102
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:11 AM
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > USA of course. Remember it's America's world, you all just
> live
> > > in
> > > > it;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > About as familiar as you are with how to spell economics
> I'd
> > > say!
> > > > >
> > > > > Are we talking about the economics of the WORLD film
> industry
> > > or
> > > > just the
> > > > > USA?
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:34
> > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess you're not familiar with the ecnomics of the
> film
> > > > industry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Well sorry James but that does not make a lot of
> sense to
> > > me,
> > > > but
> > > > > > only time
> > > > > > > will tell.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: JamesA1102@a... [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 23:23
> > > > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs.
> Altered
> > > > Timeline
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > True they did want a more upbeat film but the final
> cut
> > > > submitted
> > > > > > > > by Jacob and Thompson included those scenes. One of
> the
> > > lobby
> > > > > > > > cards is of that scene and there's even article in
> the
> > > > > > > > promotional Herald about it. A friend of mine
> worked at
> > > FOX in
> > > > > > > > the 80s. The story is the film was trimed at the
> last
> > > minute
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > fit in extra showing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I thought I heard Jacobs had those removed
> because
> > > he
> > > > wanted
> > > > > > a happier
> > > > > > > > > movie. The bomb stuff turned it into a downer.
> They
> > > were
> > > > > > > > planning another
> > > > > > > > > sequel then at some point during "Battle" they
> > > decided to
> > > > end
> > > > > > > > it. Maybe it
> > > > > > > > > being the wrap-up they decided to go out
> positively.
> > > > > > > > - - - Jeff
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 17:37
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape-ologies
>
>
> In answer to your first question YES he was in the room. He lobbyed
> to have the Director's Cut that was released to TV stations issued as
> part of the Playhouse series. He was over ruled by higher ups cause
> it would cost too much to restore that print. I'm just stating fact
> as they have been related to me. You're the one jumping to
> conclusions here mate, just because this doesn't jibe with what you'd
> like to believe.
>
> PS I don't give a damn any more if you had a bad week.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > James you're an idiot if you think this is the truth.
> >
> > An idiot.
> >
> > Was this guy from Fox in the room when the decision was made? Did
> they
> > consult with him?
> >
> > You have absolutely no evidence for your conclusion.
> >
> > Don't try ramming your bullshit down my throat.
> >
> > Find some real, genuine evidence and I may believe you.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 10:12
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape-ologies
> > >
> > >
> > > This was not what some guy at FOX over heard. This was someone
> very
> > > involved with the creation and marketing of the videos back in the
> > > 80s. Now who's jumping to conclusions. I think you just can't
> handle
> > > the truth when it differs with your own misconceptions. A lot of
> > > myths get circulated in fandom that just aren't true. These
> stories
> > > spread and get twisted around to nothing recognizable from the
> true
> > > facts. Here's one, when Star Trek VI was released several minutes
> > > were trimed at the last minute (these were restored in the VHS
> > > release). These scenes feature Rene Auberjonois who later played
> Odo
> > > on Deep Space Nine. The story that got out in fandom was that his
> > > scenes were cut so as not confuse the audience having two
> characters
> > > played by the same actor. This story was total BS but many Trekies
> > > sworn it was true even though Star Trek IV came out over a year
> > > before DS9 premiered and several months before Rene was cast in
> it.
> > > And I know this story is true cause it was told to me by a friend
> > > that worked on both the DS9 and Voyager series.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > Yeah sorry Eileen but I can't stand the lack of logic involved
> in a
> > > lot of
> > > > the conclusions being made around here. Ignorance seems to
> > > dominate and now
> > > > there are people making assumptions based on what some guy who
> > > worked at Fox
> > > > overheard - hardly a convincing argument.
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow sorry about the rib for spelling - that was totally
> uncalled
> > > for and
> > > > really quite silly as I believe we are all vulnerable when it
> comes
> > > to
> > > > spelling errors - so long as we know what we mean who cares?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Eileen Rankin [emr1623@m...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 0:51
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now that's cold....
> > > >
> > > > Eileen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: james611102
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:11 AM
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > USA of course. Remember it's America's world, you all just
> live
> > > in
> > > > it;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > About as familiar as you are with how to spell economics
> I'd
> > > say!
> > > > >
> > > > > Are we talking about the economics of the WORLD film
> industry
> > > or
> > > > just the
> > > > > USA?
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:34
> > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess you're not familiar with the ecnomics of the
> film
> > > > industry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Well sorry James but that does not make a lot of
> sense to
> > > me,
> > > > but
> > > > > > only time
> > > > > > > will tell.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: JamesA1102@a... [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 23:23
> > > > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs.
> Altered
> > > > Timeline
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > True they did want a more upbeat film but the final
> cut
> > > > submitted
> > > > > > > > by Jacob and Thompson included those scenes. One of
> the
> > > lobby
> > > > > > > > cards is of that scene and there's even article in
> the
> > > > > > > > promotional Herald about it. A friend of mine
> worked at
> > > FOX in
> > > > > > > > the 80s. The story is the film was trimed at the
> last
> > > minute
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > fit in extra showing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I thought I heard Jacobs had those removed
> because
> > > he
> > > > wanted
> > > > > > a happier
> > > > > > > > > movie. The bomb stuff turned it into a downer.
> They
> > > were
> > > > > > > > planning another
> > > > > > > > > sequel then at some point during "Battle" they
> > > decided to
> > > > end
> > > > > > > > it. Maybe it
> > > > > > > > > being the wrap-up they decided to go out
> positively.
> > > > > > > > - - - Jeff
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--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Ok.
>
> What's his name?
>
> And what is the source of his claim?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 17:29
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
> >
> >
> > Hey if you don't want to believe me that's fine. He is a trust
friend
> > of mine for over 15 years and has no reason to lie to me. Stuff
like
> > this goes on in the film industry all the time. The
term "Director's
> > Cut" wasn't invented for DVDs.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > And you base this on the recollections of some guy who worked at
> > Fox at the
> > > time?
> > >
> > > I can't say I'd label him an expert witness is all I'm saying.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 21:09
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not jumping to any conclusions. I know for a fact the
> > Director's
> > > > cut submitted by Jacobs and Thompson included those scenes.
When
> > FOX
> > > > need to cut the films running time, those scenes had scored
low in
> > > > previews so they were cut.
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Because he was a bit sloppy?
> > > > >
> > > > > Would it be inappropriate of me to say that you jump to
> > conclusions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:38
> > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The whole story of the wrap around being filmed to
lenthen the
> > > > film
> > > > > > is a total myth. And if Jacobs wanted those scenes
removed why
> > > > did he
> > > > > > publish the promotional herald that included pictures and
text
> > > > about
> > > > > > the bomb?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 8:46 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma


> --- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> The whole story of the wrap around being filmed to lengthen the film
> is a total myth. And if Jacobs wanted those scenes removed why did he
> publish the promotional herald that included pictures and text about
> the bomb?
>
> --The Lawgiver "frame-scenes" were scripted (check out SCRIPTCITY for
> your copy, fellow Apesfans), so they were NOT mere "after-thoughts"
> tagged-on to give it more time. The movie WAS trimmed for time, since
> there were OTHER scenes scripted which didn't make the final edit--
> including the "rabbit dinner" sequence, where MacDonald tells
> "Teacher" and "Doctor" about his up-coming trip to the "forbidden
> city" with Caesar and Virgil. If they had needed more scenes to "fill
> up" the time, why not include that scene, then, too? Unfortunately,
> they opted to make BATTLE the shortest of the APES flicks, to its
> detriment. Thank Godzilla that the Japanese laserdisc has some extra
> footage (if not ALL the extra footage out there)!
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 3-09-2002
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> James' story that the scenes with the bomb (and others) were cut from
> BATTLE in order to fit in more playing times doesn't seem right to me.
> They added the flashback sequence to the beginning of the film because
> Fox thought the movie was too short! Why didn't Fox just cut that off
> if they then wanted the film shorter. No, I think there's more to it.
> I just looked in Russo's book for an answer, but can't find it. I'll
> have to ask him about it the next time I talk to him, but this is
> still a matter very much up in the air.
> I've read for years that Jacobs wanted a more upbeat film and that
> was why the bomb scenes were removed -- that and the fact that there
> were sound problems when they filmed it. If you listen to the
> dialogue in those bomb scenes you can hear jet planes taking off at
> the nearby airport.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet Of The Apes] Battle enigma


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/8/02 8:54:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> >
> >
> > > I don't know about the DVD but my friend was at FOX when the VHS was
> > > put out for the first time. And you've surmised exactly what happened
> > > then.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > If you're talking about the August 1998 THX 30th Anniversary VHS
Edittions,
> > yeah I'm sure you're right, they spent a lot on restoring film elements
on
> > all of them, and remixing the sound for stereo, so they probably weren't
> > willing to spend more. What we got on DVD in August of 2000 was simply
these
> > same tranfers, and non-anamorphic. When Fox gets around to doing
anamorphic
> > transfers, they may tweak the transfers again and this time restore
BATTLE
> > (and hopefully CONQUEST, but I doubt that) and, I hope, improve PLANET's
5.1
> > Dolby Digital.
> >
> > By the way, the latest Special Edition of Cinescape is "A Guide to DVD,"
and
> > they've got some good things to say about "The Evolution" Boxed Set.
"The
> > transfers. . . are brand new and stunning. Some have grumbled about
this box
> > set for its lack of anamorphic transfers or and abundance of extras. We
> > don't agree. The Apes films, from Taylor's opening monologue in part
one
> > straight through to The Lawgiver's final words in Battle for..., remain
> > all-time favorites and this set is a must-have regardless of the
details."
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> When WARNERS released the SUPERMAN collection, they did a lot of
> tweaking and scene-adding to the first one, but they did NOT do it for
> the sequels (at least, for SUPERMAN II, which is the only other one I
> like enough to buy--I haven't actually seen the 3rd and 4th ones as
> they were just re-released on DVD, but since the 2nd one wasn't
> cleaned up, I'd bet my bottom dollar that they didn't bother with the
> latter two either).
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 3-09-2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Hey, "Superman 4" was written by those two jokers who wrote the
new
> "Apes", Konner and Rosenfeld or whatever. They've got a list of bad
movies a
> mile long. Fox didn't even wait for the sequels to send in the
hacks. And
> they also wrote the remake of "Mighty Joe Young", produced by Ralph
Winter
> and FX by Rick Baker, and also crap. Another family
> - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet Of The Apes] Battle enigma
>
>
> > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 3/8/02 8:54:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I don't know about the DVD but my friend was at FOX when the
VHS was
> > > > put out for the first time. And you've surmised exactly what
happened
> > > > then.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > If you're talking about the August 1998 THX 30th Anniversary VHS
> Edittions,
> > > yeah I'm sure you're right, they spent a lot on restoring film
elements
> on
> > > all of them, and remixing the sound for stereo, so they
probably weren't
> > > willing to spend more. What we got on DVD in August of 2000
was simply
> these
> > > same tranfers, and non-anamorphic. When Fox gets around to
doing
> anamorphic
> > > transfers, they may tweak the transfers again and this time
restore
> BATTLE
> > > (and hopefully CONQUEST, but I doubt that) and, I hope, improve
PLANET's
> 5.1
> > > Dolby Digital.
> > >
> > > By the way, the latest Special Edition of Cinescape is "A Guide
to DVD,"
> and
> > > they've got some good things to say about "The Evolution" Boxed
Set.
> "The
> > > transfers. . . are brand new and stunning. Some have grumbled
about
> this box
> > > set for its lack of anamorphic transfers or and abundance of
extras. We
> > > don't agree. The Apes films, from Taylor's opening monologue
in part
> one
> > > straight through to The Lawgiver's final words in Battle
for..., remain
> > > all-time favorites and this set is a must-have regardless of the
> details."
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> >
> > When WARNERS released the SUPERMAN collection, they did a lot of
> > tweaking and scene-adding to the first one, but they did NOT do
it for
> > the sequels (at least, for SUPERMAN II, which is the only other
one I
> > like enough to buy--I haven't actually seen the 3rd and 4th ones
as
> > they were just re-released on DVD, but since the 2nd one wasn't
> > cleaned up, I'd bet my bottom dollar that they didn't bother with
the
> > latter two either).
> >
> > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > EARTH-TIME 3-09-2002
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 2:56 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Whose World?


> That would almost be funny if it were not the attitude of most americans.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 21:11
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> >
> >
> > USA of course. Remember it's America's world, you all just live in
> > it;-)
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > About as familiar as you are with how to spell economics I'd say!
> > >
> > > Are we talking about the economics of the WORLD film industry or
> > just the
> > > USA?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:34
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle cut scenes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess you're not familiar with the ecnomics of the film
> > industry.
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Well sorry James but that does not make a lot of sense to me,
> > but
> > > > only time
> > > > > will tell.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: JamesA1102@a... [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 23:23
> > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered
> > Timeline
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > True they did want a more upbeat film but the final cut
> > submitted
> > > > > > by Jacob and Thompson included those scenes. One of the lobby
> > > > > > cards is of that scene and there's even article in the
> > > > > > promotional Herald about it. A friend of mine worked at FOX in
> > > > > > the 80s. The story is the film was trimed at the last minute
> > to
> > > > > > fit in extra showing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > > > > > I thought I heard Jacobs had those removed because he
> > wanted
> > > > a happier
> > > > > > > movie. The bomb stuff turned it into a downer. They were
> > > > > > planning another
> > > > > > > sequel then at some point during "Battle" they decided to
> > end
> > > > > > it. Maybe it
> > > > > > > being the wrap-up they decided to go out positively.
> > > > > > - - - Jeff
> > > > > > >
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----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Time Machine


> In a message dated 3/9/02 6:04:54 PM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << Yikes! What did you like about it? Have you ever seen the 1960
version?
>
> -- Rory >>
>
> I... liked the movie. It wasn't outstanding, I'd give it 3 1/2 stars.
Some
> of the main characters actions were rushed, and that Mental Morlock guy
was
> pretty dumb, but I enjoyed the movie thoroughly.
>
> I've been wanting to see the 1960 version for awhile, but I haven't got
> around to it. I'll go rent it some time this week.
>
> Oh, and what did you hate about it?
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:12 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Time Machine

In a message dated 3/9/02 7:08:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

Oh, and what did you hate about it?

-Joe

Oh, about everything.  I've spent the last few days re-reading the original story, and I don't know why they just don't try to do really faithful adaptations!  Anyway, if you have a DVD player, watch the 1960 TIME MACHINE on DVD.  It's the best looking version on video.

-- Rory

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--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> "The Time Machine" was directed by H.G. Wells' great grandson.
You'd think he'd want to be faithful. But it was probably whatever
Spielberg wants. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Time Machine
>
>
> In a message dated 3/9/02 7:08:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CheeseGOTAS@a... writes:
>
>
>
> Oh, and what did you hate about it?
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh, about everything. I've spent the last few days re-reading
the original story, and I don't know why they just don't try to do
really faithful adaptations! Anyway, if you have a DVD player, watch
the 1960 TIME MACHINE on DVD. It's the best looking version on video.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:53 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape-ologies


> I don't remember why the scenes were cut but it had nothing to do
> with his playing Odo on DS9.
>
> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > > This story was total BS but many Trekies
> > > sworn it was true even though Star Trek IV came out over a year
> >
> > Then what is the truth?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> "The Time Machine" was directed by H.G. Wells' great grandson.
You'd think he'd want to be faithful. But it was probably whatever
Spielberg wants. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Time Machine
>
>
> In a message dated 3/9/02 7:08:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CheeseGOTAS@a... writes:
>
>
>
> Oh, and what did you hate about it?
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh, about everything. I've spent the last few days re-reading
the original story, and I don't know why they just don't try to do
really faithful adaptations! Anyway, if you have a DVD player, watch
the 1960 TIME MACHINE on DVD. It's the best looking version on video.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

----- Original Message -----

From: ThyPentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Whose World?

Well, I agree, but my what I meant my point to be was that even if we DID have an enemy to direct the nuke at, I don't think we would do it.

 

ThyPentacle

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 9:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Whose World?

we lost over 6000 citizens to terrorism in New York and that was on U.S. soil.

I do believe you figures are inflated and outdated.  But even if everyone got out alive that's neither hear nor there.  We should have been more active the first time they bombed it.  And I think you're a little of the beam on the nukes.  I don't think it takes balls to use thermonuclear devices, just stupidity.  When you think about it, with all the nuclear testing ... WW III already happened!  It just wasn't directed ant anyone in particular.  I don't know who we'd nuke.  Oh sure it sounds fun.  But we aren't at war with Afghanistan and where the really bad guys are it too mountainous. Or Iraq for that matter get Saddam out of there and you're set!  And North Korea...Well all they want is some decent food.  Everyone should be free!  Free to be what they want to be!  As long as they aren't hurting anyone.  And if they don't agree with that...well, as someone once said, chop their head off, drive nails in them, and send it to their parents in a garbage bag!  Okay maybe that's a little off the beam.
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--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Because they were afraid people wouldn't accept him after being
typecast
> on "Benson". - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:53 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape-ologies
>
>
> > I don't remember why the scenes were cut but it had nothing to do
> > with his playing Odo on DS9.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > >
> > > > This story was total BS but many Trekies
> > > > sworn it was true even though Star Trek IV came out over a
year
> > >
> > > Then what is the truth?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet Of The Apes] Battle enigma


> They also wrote Star Trek VI which wasn't too bad and William Broyles
> who shares screen credit with them wrote one of my all time
> favorites 'Apollo 13'. Personally I still blame Tim Burton for what a
> mess the new film turned out to be.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Hey, "Superman 4" was written by those two jokers who wrote the
> new
> > "Apes", Konner and Rosenfeld or whatever. They've got a list of bad
> movies a
> > mile long. Fox didn't even wait for the sequels to send in the
> hacks. And
> > they also wrote the remake of "Mighty Joe Young", produced by Ralph
> Winter
> > and FX by Rick Baker, and also crap. Another family
> > - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 8:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet Of The Apes] Battle enigma
> >
> >
> > > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > > In a message dated 3/8/02 8:54:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I don't know about the DVD but my friend was at FOX when the
> VHS was
> > > > > put out for the first time. And you've surmised exactly what
> happened
> > > > > then.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you're talking about the August 1998 THX 30th Anniversary VHS
> > Edittions,
> > > > yeah I'm sure you're right, they spent a lot on restoring film
> elements
> > on
> > > > all of them, and remixing the sound for stereo, so they
> probably weren't
> > > > willing to spend more. What we got on DVD in August of 2000
> was simply
> > these
> > > > same tranfers, and non-anamorphic. When Fox gets around to
> doing
> > anamorphic
> > > > transfers, they may tweak the transfers again and this time
> restore
> > BATTLE
> > > > (and hopefully CONQUEST, but I doubt that) and, I hope, improve
> PLANET's
> > 5.1
> > > > Dolby Digital.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, the latest Special Edition of Cinescape is "A Guide
> to DVD,"
> > and
> > > > they've got some good things to say about "The Evolution" Boxed
> Set.
> > "The
> > > > transfers. . . are brand new and stunning. Some have grumbled
> about
> > this box
> > > > set for its lack of anamorphic transfers or and abundance of
> extras. We
> > > > don't agree. The Apes films, from Taylor's opening monologue
> in part
> > one
> > > > straight through to The Lawgiver's final words in Battle
> for..., remain
> > > > all-time favorites and this set is a must-have regardless of the
> > details."
> > > >
> > > > -- Rory
> > >
> > > When WARNERS released the SUPERMAN collection, they did a lot of
> > > tweaking and scene-adding to the first one, but they did NOT do
> it for
> > > the sequels (at least, for SUPERMAN II, which is the only other
> one I
> > > like enough to buy--I haven't actually seen the 3rd and 4th ones
> as
> > > they were just re-released on DVD, but since the 2nd one wasn't
> > > cleaned up, I'd bet my bottom dollar that they didn't bother with
> the
> > > latter two either).
> > >
> > > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > > EARTH-TIME 3-09-2002
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----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Time Machine


> If it had been any good they would of held it for another two months
> and made it a summer release. The Action/Adventure films that come
> out in March are usually the dogs the studios want to get out of the
> way before the summer starts.
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > "The Time Machine" was directed by H.G. Wells' great grandson.
> You'd think he'd want to be faithful. But it was probably whatever
> Spielberg wants. - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Haristas@a...
> > To: pota@y...
> > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Time Machine
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/9/02 7:08:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> CheeseGOTAS@a... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, and what did you hate about it?
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, about everything. I've spent the last few days re-reading
> the original story, and I don't know why they just don't try to do
> really faithful adaptations! Anyway, if you have a DVD player, watch
> the 1960 TIME MACHINE on DVD. It's the best looking version on video.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>
>
>
>
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>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 18:16
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
>
>
> I'll tell you his name when you tell me what penal colony your
> ansestors escaped from. Go have a Foster's and throw another shirmp
> on the barbie.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Ok.
> >
> > What's his name?
> >
> > And what is the source of his claim?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 17:29
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey if you don't want to believe me that's fine. He is a trust
> friend
> > > of mine for over 15 years and has no reason to lie to me. Stuff
> like
> > > this goes on in the film industry all the time. The
> term "Director's
> > > Cut" wasn't invented for DVDs.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > And you base this on the recollections of some guy who worked at
> > > Fox at the
> > > > time?
> > > >
> > > > I can't say I'd label him an expert witness is all I'm saying.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 21:09
> > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not jumping to any conclusions. I know for a fact the
> > > Director's
> > > > > cut submitted by Jacobs and Thompson included those scenes.
> When
> > > FOX
> > > > > need to cut the films running time, those scenes had scored
> low in
> > > > > previews so they were cut.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > Because he was a bit sloppy?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would it be inappropriate of me to say that you jump to
> > > conclusions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:38
> > > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle enigma
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The whole story of the wrap around being filmed to
> lenthen the
> > > > > film
> > > > > > > is a total myth. And if Jacobs wanted those scenes
> removed why
> > > > > did he
> > > > > > > publish the promotional herald that included pictures and
> text
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > the bomb?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > >
> > > > >
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 18:57
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Time Machine
>
>
> That's true. Spielberg had the original trailer for 'Jurassic Park'
> yanked from over a 1,000 theaters cause he didn't like it. It cost
> Universal almost half a million to do it. No other director has that
> kind of power.
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > "The Time Machine" was directed by H.G. Wells' great grandson.
> You'd think he'd want to be faithful. But it was probably whatever
> Spielberg wants. - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Haristas@a...
> > To: pota@y...
> > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Time Machine
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/9/02 7:08:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> CheeseGOTAS@a... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, and what did you hate about it?
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, about everything. I've spent the last few days re-reading
> the original story, and I don't know why they just don't try to do
> really faithful adaptations! Anyway, if you have a DVD player, watch
> the 1960 TIME MACHINE on DVD. It's the best looking version on video.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 19:01
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape-ologies
>
>
> Because they were afraid people wouldn't accept him after being typecast
> on "Benson". - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:53 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape-ologies
>
>
> > I don't remember why the scenes were cut but it had nothing to do
> > with his playing Odo on DS9.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > >
> > > > This story was total BS but many Trekies
> > > > sworn it was true even though Star Trek IV came out over a year
> > >
> > > Then what is the truth?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
In a message dated 3/9/02 12:35:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:

--Is there ANY visible detail of Breck's city that even remotely
suggests that it is New York City? Absolutely not! Look above the
horizon--do you see any recognizable NYC skyscrapers throughout
CONQUEST? Nope.

My belief has always been that "Breck's City" (and the 'province' that
he's governor of) is simply a 'city area' of a larger east coast
megalopolis, and that it is close to Washington DC, probably south of
it, but with access to the sea since it receives shipments of apes.
Dare I say it might even be on the upper shores of Chesapeake Bay?!!
(I dare! I dare!)

This east coast megalopolis would, among other things, be connected by
a vast subway complex.

EAT THAT, PATRICK MICHAEL TILTON THOMAS!!!

-- Rory

Hey, Rory, what's with the "Thomas" addition? Could it be because you
think that I "doubt" your interpretation(s)?

There are no explicit details in either CONQUEST or BATTLE to "prove"
whether or not Breck's city is "west coast" or "east coast"; I've
mentioned other reasons in earlier posts why I think it's in
California (so I won't regurgitate them here), but I will propose yet
another one: in 3085, in the "Central City" region (which includes the
ruins of both San Francisco ("The Trap") and Oakland ("The Legacy"),
there is an Ape culture which has inherited the same clothing styles
that were first seen in BATTLE, and unless the Urko/Zaius/Galen
peoples had migrated westward from your hypothetical east coast
origins (which there is no evidence either for or against), then it is
probable that the TV era Ape society developed in the same environs,
or at least near enough to the Caesar/Virgil/Aldo area. In 3085 there
is an orangutan named Zaius--who knows the Truth about the prior
superior Human civilization, yet purposely hides this from the masses,
just as his descendant will in 3955 (in PLANET and BENEATH). Now, we
KNOW that the TV-era Zaius is in the California area, and we KNOW that
the PLANET-era Zaius is in the New York area, and it is fair to say
that the latter is descended from the former, having been "initiated"
into the "Terrible Secret" by his father going back generation-after-
generation, and so forth. At SOME point, there had to have been a
migration of at least SOME of the Ape civilization from California to
New York--with the "House of Zaius" accompanying them, wielding some
form of executive power (since the Zaius-types were "in charge" in
Central City in 3085 and were also "in charge" in Ape City in 3955).
If--as you believe--"Breck's city" was on the shore of Chesapeake Bay,
then we would have to believe that there are TWO major migrations in
Simian history: the FIRST one from the East coast Chesapeake Bay area
to the California region (BATTLE-to-TV) and then a SECOND one from
California to near the New York area (TV-to-PLANET). I think it's more
probable that there was only one single major migration of Apes--the
"second" one, "TV-to-PLANET"/California-to-NYC.

Feel free to disagree, bud. But unless you don't count the TV show as
"canon", your hypothesis mandates the two migrations I've outlined
above--unless you think it's likely that the 3085-California group
could INDEPENDENTLY develop the same styles of clothing that Apes were
wearing near your BATTLE-Chesapeake Bay area group, without some sort
of "cross-contamination". Frankly, I think it's stretching it: the
distance from California to Delaware/New Jersey/New York is quite a
long haul, and I don't see the "separate" California crowd
coincidentally designing clothing styles that match those worn by your
"east coasters".

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 3-10-2002

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
In a message dated 3/9/02 12:35:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:

It hasn't been addressed yet (as far as I can recall), but one
wonders: How do the "mutants" acquire their telepathic abilities? Is
it the result of radiation exposure? Could it be that exposure to
radiation is only ONE factor in the emergence of that mentalic
"mutation"? How about living UNDERGROUND? Might that have an effect on
the cognitive abilities of a population of people?

Yes, I have thought of this and my supposition is related to an even
more important question: What did the mutants live on? What did they
eat? Ponder this; suppose all they had to live on was fungi, and
suppose a large amount of that was mushrooms, and suppose some of
these mushrooms were of the psychedelic variety. What do you think
that might do to minds over many generations with nothing better to do
but sit around underground and stare at each other?

THINK ON THAT, PATRICK MICHAEL TILTON THOMAS!!!!

I think it's more likely that at first the survivors of the Nuke War
lived on stored-up rations, because there had to have been some prior
warning that a Nuke War was imminent--the robed spokesman for "the
Scientists" (in "The Legacy") tells posterity that the destruction of
his world is now imminent, and his fellow "scientists" at the think-
tank (at the Oakland Science Institute) had the time to set up the
buried caches of "scientific knowledge" in various cities throughout
the world, as well as holographic projectors to steer discoverers to
those caches. People would have frantically building bomb shelters and
stockpiling canned foods, drinkable water, etc., during that same
"pre-War" time.
After the stockpiled food runs out, what then? What other edible food
might there be in the nuked-out city Kolp governs? How about those
Nuke-War-surviving cliches: RATS and COCKROACHES? Hey, protein is
protein, wherever you can get it!
Keep in mind, also, that "Breck's city" is on the coast (you think
it's EAST, I think it's WEST), and in the oceans there are plenty of
fish. Perhaps the city was built not only on the ocean coast, but also
on the banks of a river which empties into that ocean; if so, then
there might be freshwater fish accessible to them (I imagine the river
running beneath one part of the city, with hydro-electric power
generators making use of the flow of river water to supply the city
with electricity, and a local fishery to catch some of the fish in the
river).
So, then... RATS and COCKROACHES and FISH, and river water to wash it
all down. As Ace Ventura once said, "Yummy!"

Howzabout THAT, Rory?

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 3-10-2002