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What what??? Bondage gear??? Please specify...what's her name...are there pictures??? :o)

I believe the title was The Interrogation.
The one where Wanda has Burke tied to a table and is spinning it around trying to brainwash him in to thinking she's his girlfriend so he'll talk.  His sense came back right before she kissed him, but my taste in women must be broader than his.  I would have faked being insensible a few seconds longer and waited to see how it was.  I mean, lets face it, the only other female on the planet interested in him was another chimp.  And she was blind!  Before you ask, Pentaclese, no he didn't score then either.  She felt his face and freaked.  As far as striking out goes, he was batting a thousand.  Galen was just as bad.  His girlfriend was a doctor, but he'd rather be running around in the woods with a couple of dudes!  Anyone remember if Verdon got any?  Seems to me, if he wasn't worried about his wife and kids, there was some randy human chick that would have been all over him.

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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Television show


>
> Correct me if I'm wrong...
> The only other episodes with Chimpettes were The Surgeon and The
Deception.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

There were 14 episodes, not 13, and there is also a nasty little chimpette with beautiful eyes in the last episode, entitled "Up Above the World So High".  Basically she wants to blow up the sitting powers that be so that chimps can take over the world.    The Surgeon, the Deception and Interrogation are the others with chimpettes, as has been previously mentioned. 

As far a screen captures go, I've done captures from 5 episodes and from three pretty exhaustively, but none of them from the episodes mentioned.  I'm gradually working on the rest.

>From: Kassidy Rae <valwp@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Chimpettes in the television series
>Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 04:25:30 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>There were 14 episodes, not 13, and there is also a nasty little chimpette
>with beautiful eyes in the last episode, entitled "Up Above the World So
>High". Basically she wants to blow up the sitting powers that be so that
>chimps can take over the world. The Surgeon, the Deception and
>Interrogation are the others with chimpettes, as has been previously
>mentioned.
>As far a screen captures go, I've done captures from 5 episodes and from
>three pretty exhaustively, but none of them from the episodes mentioned.
>I'm gradually working on the rest.
>Kassidy
>
>
>
>---------------------------------

>GROW UP, PATRICK!

> Isn't that the one with the hand glider?
> She wants to drop bombs on the seats of power. Because that episode

> the T.V. DVD set.
>
> Best.
> Al
>

--- In pota@y..., "darrenscuzz" <darren@s...> wrote:
> I, for one, would rather he didn't, if growing up means stifling
his
> imagination.
>
> Patrick's one of the more thoughtful posters here. I've never seen
> him toss out an easy one-liner in response to someone's point or
> question, and he always takes the time to fully explain his ideas.
> Even when those ideas are being treated with scorn, he usually
> responds with care and consideration. OK, so he's not the most
> concise of writers, but his posts are often food for thought, and
> quite nourishing, too.
>
> His POTA novel is obviously a labour of love - he's studied the
> details and seems to be putting a lot of effort into the project.
> Trying to tie all of the Apes movies and TV episodes together to
> make one epic, as well as give some background to the series'
> unexplained happenings, sounds like a lot of fun to me.
>
> Just because you don't like some of Patrick's constructions - such
> as the Zaius thing - it doesn't mean that they're silly or
childish.
> What's so crazy about two characters being related? Fiction is just
> that. As long as the story doesn't contain contradictions or
surreal
> flights of fancy (Cornelius turning into a purple swan on page 54
is
> perhaps a bit much), *anything* can happen when you're writing it.
> That's the beauty of imagination. And Patrick seems to have more of
> it than most. So I say, hey, good luck to the guy.
>
> - Darren

>"The Forbidden Zone was once a Paradise; your breed made a desert of
>it, ages ago!" says Zaius. Zaius KNOWS that the human race rendered a
>once-beautiful place a wasteland. Furthermore, the Forbidden Zone's

>"The Forbidden Zone was once a Paradise; your breed made a desert of
>it, ages ago!" says Zaius. Zaius KNOWS that the human race rendered a
>once-beautiful place a wasteland. Furthermore, the Forbidden Zone's

>WHAT Taylor might find... but instead he matter-of-factly states: "His
>destiny." Zaius knows that there's SOMETHING PARTICULAR out there that
>Taylor won't like finding, which represents Taylor's/humanity's
>"destiny"--the Statue.

>
> > Roddy's opinion doesn't mean jack. His favorite POTA is the TV series.
> > Would any POTA fans agree with that?
>
> Actually, a few would. It may have been short lived, but the TV series has
> its share of fans. It's well documented that ratings here in the UK for
> example were pretty high, to say nothing of the various websites and fanzine
> issues that have been dedicated to it.
>
> The TV series has its fair share of flaws and certainly I don't think it's
> on a par with the films in terms of quality, but it is fun and entertaining
> in places and there are a small band of fans who no doubt would cite it as
> their favourite.
>

>*** Hey, ONE trek across North America is better than TWO; see one of
>my more recent posting-replys to Rory, where I show that if you

>include the TV show as "canon", then the 3085 group either was an
>outgrowth of the NEARBY "Caesar group" (i.e. my scenario, CONQUEST and

>You seem to prefer the "two migrations" theory over just "one
>migration" that my scenario calls for.

>No, I didn't write the Marvel timeline--and I only agree with some of
>it (I've developed my own--but, then again, I'm not trying to "fit in"
>the Marvel stories "Terror on the POTA", "Evolution's Nightmare", etc.
>Only the 5 films and the 14 TV episodes.).
>Me, a "menace" to society? I was thinking of calling YOU a "walking
>pestilence"... but that'd be mean!

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:45 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Television show

that bitchette in "Up Above the World",

Oh yeah, I forgot her.
Kinda cute, but a real bitch.
I don't remember the wife and daughter from the Good Seeds.
Hmmmm....Now I guess I'll have to track down the DVDs.
Who's got those?  Best Buy?  What horse medicine?

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>>>As far a screen captures go, I've done captures from 5 episodes

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From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:25 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Chimpettes in the television series

There were 14 episodes, not 13, and there is also a nasty little chimpette with beautiful eyes in the last episode, entitled "Up Above the World So High".  Basically she wants to blow up the sitting powers that be so that chimps can take over the world.    The Surgeon, the Deception and Interrogation are the others with chimpettes, as has been previously mentioned. 

As far a screen captures go, I've done captures from 5 episodes and from three pretty exhaustively, but none of them from the episodes mentioned.  I'm gradually working on the rest.

Kassidy

---

> It's obvious in PLANET that Dr. Zaius has never been in the

> I'd forgotten about him asking Taylor, "Where is your tribe?" As

> "Secret Scrolls"... well, you've got to remember that wasn't

> ESCAPE. There's no hint of these things in PLANET.

> Actually, I think that one cross country migration is nonsensical,

> two migrations (mutants & ape city) starting AND ENDING at the same

> on the other side of the continent stretches things beyond all

> of credibility.

<But Virden and Burke seem to carry this pacifism to an extreme.  Not only
do they not carry weapons, they have prevented both a coup (Up Above
the World So High) and a civil war (The Liberator ??) against the ape regime.
In the short term it is clear that Zaius and Urko are better off having
Virden and Burke running around preventing coups and civil wars against them.>

Actually, in the Liberator they encouraged the humans to rebel against capturing human slaves for the apes.  They offered to help resist the apes.

Thypentacle,

I will try to remember your request and make you some beautiful chimpette video grabs (although I'm not sure that is the best thing I could do for the state of your mental health :)

>>>I will try to remember your request and make you some beautiful

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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:16 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: TV show issues

<But Virden and Burke seem to carry this pacifism to an extreme.  Not only
do they not carry weapons, they have prevented both a coup (Up Above
the World So High) and a civil war (The Liberator ??) against the ape regime.
In the short term it is clear that Zaius and Urko are better off having
Virden and Burke running around preventing coups and civil wars against them.>

Actually, in the Liberator they encouraged the humans to rebel against capturing human slaves for the apes.  They offered to help resist the apes.

Thypentacle,

I will try to remember your request and make you some beautiful chimpette video grabs (although I'm not sure that is the best thing I could do for the state of your mental health :)

Kassidy

---

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:36 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely different!

How about we take a break from arguing our interpretations of APES?

Since we have some new members to the group, I was wondering if anyone new here is an APES collector?  Others here know that I have many original APES posters, since I've been collecting since the '70s.  I also have the original Topps cards from PLANET and the TV series, and I have the Inkworks cards from a few years ago and, yes, I even bought the Topps cards to the new piece of crap.  I have stills and lobby cards from the films, lots of mags (Famous Monsters, Castle of Frankenstein, Cinefantastic) that had features on the movies.  I have all the pressbooks and heralds.  And in recent years I've collect the Hasbro figures from the original series and most of the Medicoms.  I also have a couple cool models of the Icarus spaceship.

Things I haven't bothered collecting are the '70s Mego figures and most of the toys and games and other crap that came out then.  I used to have an APES garbage can, but I lost that years ago.

I have a few T-shirts, but I never wear them.  And of course I have the films on video (VHS, Laserdisc, DVD) and now the TV show too.

There's other things (like stuff from Apemania) that I'd love to get, but I've decided for now that I have enough stuff, so that's that.

What about you?

-- Rory

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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:37 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: TV show issues

I will try to remember your request and make you some beautiful chimpette video grabs (although I'm not sure that is the best thing I could do for the state of your mental health :)

It's not his mental health that makes him that way.  If you've tried talking to the gals in the bars these days, you'd see why a level headed chimpette might start looking pretty good.  Though if Zira is any indication, they don't handle their drinks any better.

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--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/13/02 2:58:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> melkor@m... writes:
>
>
> > The TV show is a separate POTA "universe" from the movies. So is
the
> > cartoon series, the original book, and POTA 2001. The very first
scene
> > of the very first TV episode purposely has a dog in it so that
people
> > wouldn't try to fit it into the movie universe, because all the
dogs were
> > killed in both of the movie timelines. On top of that in the TV
pilot
> > they find a picture of New York City in the 26th century, but in
the
> > movies human civilization is destroyed in the 20th century.
> >
>
> I don't think we have to assume that New York City was destroyed in
the 20th
> century. Remember that when BENEATH was written and filmed, they
had no idea
> ESCAPE was going to be made, so we shouldn't let what was revealed
in ESCAPE
> dictate how we think about BENEATH. The only thing in NYC ruins in
BENEATH
> that possibly dates its destruction as in the 20th century is the
bus seen
> next to the tunnel that Brent and Nova come out of, but I think
that bus
> shouldn't be taken too literally. It was a mistake to put it
there -- after
> two thousand years it would only be an unrecognizable heap of rust -
- so I
> think it's best to ignore it as far as trying to date NYC's
destruction.
> It's not improbable to assume that the other NYC landmarks seen
could be
> preserved for at least another two to three hundred years -- well,
the facade
> of Radio City is a bit of a stretch -- but, we are stuck with what
Cornelius
> says in ESCAPE that it was several hundred of years before the
apes "turned
> the tables" on man -- in the original timeline that is!. So what
are we to
> think? Patrick says Cornelius is lying, others that the writers of
the
> "secret scrolls" got the timescale wrong and it wasn't hundreds of
years but
> just years or decades. I prefer first not to think about it too
much, but if
> I must I can also entertain the idea that even after a nuclear war
apes may
> have remained slaves to what was left of humanity for a long while,
and that
> it may have been an aftereffect of the nuclear war that helped
cause the
> physical and mental fall of man and the rise of the apes -- in the
original
> timeline that is!!!
>
> I don't think that we should assume that the stories in the films
are as
> simple as they've mostly been interpreted to be.
>
> -- Rory

> Does anyone else
> here think that the sequels robbed the original of its mystery,

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:44 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: TV show issues

LOL Why whatever do you mean? :o)   Seriously though, I would appreciate those snapshots whenever you feel like making them.

Send me a copy while you're at it.  And speaking of Chimpette Images...I'll send you some more of my non-typical Zira photos for you Chimpette site, Pentaclese!  As soon as this Mid-term nonsense is over with and I've rested up.

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--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> How about we take a break from arguing our interpretations of APES?
>
> Since we have some new members to the group, I was wondering if
anyone new
> here is an APES collector? Others here know that I have many
original APES
> posters, since I've been collecting since the '70s. I also have
the original
> Topps cards from PLANET and the TV series, and I have the Inkworks
cards from
> a few years ago and, yes, I even bought the Topps cards to the new
piece of
> crap. I have stills and lobby cards from the films, lots of mags
(Famous
> Monsters, Castle of Frankenstein, Cinefantastic) that had features
on the
> movies. I have all the pressbooks and heralds. And in recent
years I've
> collect the Hasbro figures from the original series and most of the
Medicoms.
> I also have a couple cool models of the Icarus spaceship.
>
> Things I haven't bothered collecting are the '70s Mego figures and
most of
> the toys and games and other crap that came out then. I used to
have an APES
> garbage can, but I lost that years ago.
>
> I have a few T-shirts, but I never wear them. And of course I have
the films
> on video (VHS, Laserdisc, DVD) and now the TV show too.
>
> There's other things (like stuff from Apemania) that I'd love to
get, but
> I've decided for now that I have enough stuff, so that's that.
>
> What about you?
>
> -- Rory

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:26 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: TV show issues

Pentaclese? I'm starting to like that better than ThyPentacle.

It a Texan thing to call people you like by nicknames.
Good natured ribbing, like a piss take, as the Brits say.
I hear that the folks in the press corps aren't happy now
unless the Pres. gives them some sort of a nickname.
Sometime people have their own or they just get one.
Thy Pentacle is so formal.  You seemed more like a
Pentaclese!  You certainly can do Great Deeds!
I wish I could build web sites that cool!  Then I
could stop squatting on my kimhunter.com

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From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:16 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] TV show issues


> Since the TV show has been out on DVD awhile now this might be a good time
> to comment on Virden and Burke's tactics. One thing that makes the TV
> show interesting is that Virden and Burke are doing more than just running
> from the apes, they are also subverting the conservative class system.
>
> Virden's main stated goal is to look for the technology to allow them
> to escape the planet, and Virden and Burke don't claim to want to
> overthrow the ape regime. But their strategy of enlightning and
> liberalizing one mind at a time aims in that direction, which is why they
> are hunted by Zaius and Urko. Trying to overthrow or change an
> authoritarian and caste ridden regime by non violent resistance must
surely
> be hard to do, but the theme of the show seems to be saying that it is the
> best course of action. Zaius' disclosure to Virden and Burke that
humanity
> destroyed itself through warfare ties directly into this.
>
> Still, you have to ask why they don't adopt more aggressive tactics?
> Would resorting to guerilla warfare be more effective in bringing about
> change? One reason for their non violent tactics must surely be their
look of
> humility when Zaius tells them humanity destroyed itself because of
warfare.
> Another reason is that Galen would probably object.
>
> But Virden and Burke seem to carry this pacifism to an extreme. Not only
> do they not carry weapons, they have prevented both a coup (Up Above
> the World So High) and a civil war (The Liberator ??) against the ape
regime.
> In the short term it is clear that Zaius and Urko are better off having
> Virden and Burke running around preventing coups and civil wars against
them.
>
> The High Council appears to be a elected government, but only a South
> African style minority government. An interesting question is to ask
> yourself what tactics you would adopt in their situation. I think I would
> give some consideration to adopting guerilla tactics against the high
> council. At the very least I would carry a gun (concealed). And I
wouldn't
> try to stop coups and civil wars against the ape government. Of course
this
> is just a TV show, but in real life the issue of pacifistic vs. violent
> resistence would be a very tough question. What might have made the show
> much more interesting would be for the group to disagree on what tactics
> to use.
>
>
>

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:05 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Chimpettes in the television series

There were 14 episodes, not 13

Yeah, I checked after I sent that.  There were indeed 14.
That nasty one was the Bitch we were talking about.
She wanted someone to fly and was backing this wacky human
who said he could do it.  The Astros spotted his design flaws right
off and corrected them.  I still see the image of a hangliding chimp.
Hard to get that out of your head.  But who played Cornelius in the
Superbowl mattress commercial?  One of the Apemaniacs?

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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:21 PM
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> Patrick's one of the more thoughtful posters here. I've never seen
> him toss out an easy one-liner in response to someone's point or
> question, and he always takes the time to fully explain his ideas.
> Even when those ideas are being treated with scorn,
>
> Brevity is the soul of wit. Eh, Michael?
> I find you choice of a Purple Swan as an image
> for Roddick McDowallstick revealing.
> You should seek some therapy there,
> Darwin. Perhaps if Pat wrote it in the form of
> an epic comic book it wouldn't get too wordy.
> Sorry if my appreciation for lengthy posts seems
> small, but tonight I have to study The Oddesey,
> The Illiad, Gilgamesh and Beowulf. No joke!
> I have a Lit Mid Term tomorrow and I'm supposed
> to drive to Dallas and see a band tonight. I don't
> know if I can manage everything and still read Pat
> fiction theory posts too. Some of us have lives.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:11 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zaius & the statue

In a message dated 3/13/02 5:17:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, sammo_of_borg@... writes:

rory, why cant you believe that cornelius was lying?  he did lie about knowing taylor.

Because when I watch Roddy McDowall play that scene I don't see a chimpanzee that's bullshitting Hasslein.  I see a chimp that's telling "the man" how it was and taking some delight in it -- and Zira too.

-- Rory

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zaius & the statue

In a message dated 3/13/02 6:04:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Remember, Taylor refers to Zaius as "The guardian of the terrible
secret" in Planet to me this seems to suggest that Zaius knows more
than he's saying. But as for the 'Secret Scrolls' you're right, that
was an invention in Escape.

Yes, Dr. Zaius in PLANET does seem to know more about the past than it would seem could be found in the sacred scrolls of the Lawgiver, but just what it is that he knows is an enigmatic thing that I've happily lived with since I first saw the movie in '68.

Some of you think this puzzle needs to be answered, but I have to ask why?  Doesn't it kind of rob the original movie of its mystery?  Does anyone else here think that the sequels robbed the original of its mystery, beside me?

-- Rory

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From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered Timeline


> Umm, what about the dial telephone???
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/13/02 2:58:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > melkor@m... writes:
> >
> >
> > > The TV show is a separate POTA "universe" from the movies. So is
> the
> > > cartoon series, the original book, and POTA 2001. The very first
> scene
> > > of the very first TV episode purposely has a dog in it so that
> people
> > > wouldn't try to fit it into the movie universe, because all the
> dogs were
> > > killed in both of the movie timelines. On top of that in the TV
> pilot
> > > they find a picture of New York City in the 26th century, but in
> the
> > > movies human civilization is destroyed in the 20th century.
> > >
> >
> > I don't think we have to assume that New York City was destroyed in
> the 20th
> > century. Remember that when BENEATH was written and filmed, they
> had no idea
> > ESCAPE was going to be made, so we shouldn't let what was revealed
> in ESCAPE
> > dictate how we think about BENEATH. The only thing in NYC ruins in
> BENEATH
> > that possibly dates its destruction as in the 20th century is the
> bus seen
> > next to the tunnel that Brent and Nova come out of, but I think
> that bus
> > shouldn't be taken too literally. It was a mistake to put it
> there -- after
> > two thousand years it would only be an unrecognizable heap of rust -
> - so I
> > think it's best to ignore it as far as trying to date NYC's
> destruction.
> > It's not improbable to assume that the other NYC landmarks seen
> could be
> > preserved for at least another two to three hundred years -- well,
> the facade
> > of Radio City is a bit of a stretch -- but, we are stuck with what
> Cornelius
> > says in ESCAPE that it was several hundred of years before the
> apes "turned
> > the tables" on man -- in the original timeline that is!. So what
> are we to
> > think? Patrick says Cornelius is lying, others that the writers of
> the
> > "secret scrolls" got the timescale wrong and it wasn't hundreds of
> years but
> > just years or decades. I prefer first not to think about it too
> much, but if
> > I must I can also entertain the idea that even after a nuclear war
> apes may
> > have remained slaves to what was left of humanity for a long while,
> and that
> > it may have been an aftereffect of the nuclear war that helped
> cause the
> > physical and mental fall of man and the rise of the apes -- in the
> original
> > timeline that is!!!
> >
> > I don't think that we should assume that the stories in the films
> are as
> > simple as they've mostly been interpreted to be.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:11 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely different!

Things I haven't bothered collecting are the '70s Mego figures and most of the toys and games and other crap that came out then.  I used to have an APES garbage can, but I lost that years ago.

Yeah, I never bought a Mego and probably never will.  I had the game and the trashcan too.  A garage sale must have got it.  The original model I bought for $50 bucks was probably the same one I sold in the 70s.  How knew they'd reissue?

I have a few T-shirts, but I never wear them.  And of course I have the films on video (VHS, Laserdisc, DVD) and now the TV show too.

I have both pan & scan and letterbox sets, some of the TV shows and the new DVD. I have the Marcus shirt, The Zira face Human see Human Do shirt and The Kiss with hearts awwwww...  I also never wear them.  I'm going to have to make my own so I can afford to wash them.  Can't wear a museum piece.  Oh and the new Film Crew shirt & hat.

There's other things (like stuff from Apemania) that I'd love to get,

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Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:20 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] More Chimpette pics - Up Above the World So High

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 12:03
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered Timeline
>
>
> Then why not settle in the nearest habitable city like Denver or
> Chicago. Why travel all the way to New York?
> I've heard this theory since before the TV show and Marvel's flawed
> timeline. Just cause Escape was in California, Conquest and Battle
> must be in California too. That makes no sense. Armando was on his
> way to Florida at the end of Escape in the first place plus it's much
> more believable that he traveled to the east coast in the 18 years
> between Escape & Conquest (when things like planes and trains were
> available).
>
>
>
>
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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zaius & the statue

In a message dated 3/13/02 6:04:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Remember, Taylor refers to Zaius as "The guardian of the terrible
secret" in Planet to me this seems to suggest that Zaius knows more
than he's saying. But as for the 'Secret Scrolls' you're right, that
was an invention in Escape.

Yes, Dr. Zaius in PLANET does seem to know more about the past than it would seem could be found in the sacred scrolls of the Lawgiver, but just what it is that he knows is an enigmatic thing that I've happily lived with since I first saw the movie in '68.

Some of you think this puzzle needs to be answered, but I have to ask why?  Doesn't it kind of rob the original movie of its mystery?  Does anyone else here think that the sequels robbed the original of its mystery, beside me?

-- Rory

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> What about the "Star Trek" tricorders that are inferior to our

> phones. After a while you gotta give the productions a
> break. - - - Jeff
>

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> > I think Conquest looks VERY New York!
> >
> It always looked more like LA to me.
> Maybe because it is...
>
> Beverly Hills, Century City!
> Everything's so nice and pretty
> All the people look the same
> Don't they know they're fucking lame?
>
> Here she comes
> 3 piece suit,
> Leather pants and
> her combat boots
> Man, I don't know what I'm gonna do,
> I just don't know what I'm gonna do,
> All I know is that I’m glad I moved from...
> Beverly Hills, Century City!
>
> ~~~Kieth Morris~~~

> Yeah, that too, and the "New York is a Summer Festival" poster, but

> this is BENEATH -- a mess.

okay, the female chimp in "Up Above the World So High" is called Carsia, played by Joanna Barnes.  This next one is the evil Wanda, played by Beverly Garland.  Jeez, the things I do before I go to work!

Kassidy

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/13/02 8:16:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > The best item I have is a 11"x17" reproduction of the Planet one
> > sheet that has been autographed by Linda Harrison & Charlton
Heston.
> >
> >
>
> I met Charlton Heston back in '78 in NYC when he was doing a book
signing for
> "The Actor's Life." So, I have a signed copy of that. There were
so many
> people there I couldn't ask him any questions. I wouldn't want him
or anyone
> else signing my original posters, but repros, okay.
>
> Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I also have a wrapper from the
original Topps
> cards and a box that held them for display. I find stuff from '68
the most
> interesting. Too bad there's not more of it. Just the posters,
cards,
> paperback tie-in, and the LP. I wore my LP of Goldsmith's score
out, but I
> still have it.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Here's my list from 2000.
>
> There's no way I could tell you how much it has expanded other than
to
> say....a lot.
>
> I know Ken Taylor has a better collection than I, and there is a
guy (Joe)
> in the US who has a PHENOMINAL collection, but I think you could
safely say
> I would be in the top ten of KNOWN collectors.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 11:15
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
> different!
>
>
>
>
> I also have the new POTA movie poster
>
>
> Oh I forgot the new stuff.
> I have an autographed H B-C photo
> & 2 of the giant vinyl Ari banners.
> You gotta have backups!
> Sure it last longer than paper,
> but with time warps and all...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 22:12
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered Timeline
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > Yeah, that too, and the "New York is a Summer Festival" poster, but
> you know
> > this is BENEATH -- a mess.
>
> What about the artifacts Taylor finds in the cave, the eyeglasses and
> false teeth. To me, they seem to indicate 20th Century technology or
> a time very close to it. But not a time as far ahead as the 26th
> Century.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@...]
> Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 1:25
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely
> different!
>
>
> This is one Amazing collection!
>
> I'm a little embarrassed here. I don't really collect stuff. I sort
> of give stuff away. I do have Planet on VHS boxed with
> four "sequels" in a cute Statue of Liberty sleeve. I also bought
> some 1998 [Inkworks] Planet trading cards and some 2001 [Topps] cards
> on eBay to pass out along our parade route. I have several books.
> And yes, I have 2001 2-disk collector's edition on dvd. Oh yeah
> (sheepishly) I have Zira and Zaius in Hasbro edition dolls. I bought
> them for the kids but didn't have enough of them to give them away.
> As a group, we are working on a fine collection of homemade masks and
> costumes.
>
> I am more interested in seeing things than in owning them. (I
> probably couldn't take proper care of stuff anyway.) I would love to
> see Go Ape Billy's stuff. I would love to spend a day with the
> Apes. (Shouldn't there be an Apes theme park somewhere?)
>
> --Helen
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Here's my list from 2000.
> >
> > There's no way I could tell you how much it has expanded other than
> to
> > say....a lot.
> >
> > I know Ken Taylor has a better collection than I, and there is a
> guy (Joe)
> > in the US who has a PHENOMINAL collection, but I think you could
> safely say
> > I would be in the top ten of KNOWN collectors.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> > Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 11:15
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
> > different!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I also have the new POTA movie poster
> >
> >
> > Oh I forgot the new stuff.
> > I have an autographed H B-C photo
> > & 2 of the giant vinyl Ari banners.
> > You gotta have backups!
> > Sure it last longer than paper,
> > but with time warps and all...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 8:19 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Monkey Girls

okay, the female chimp in "Up Above the World So High" is called Carsia, played by Joanna Barnes.  This next one is the evil Wanda, played by Beverly Garland.  Jeez, the things I do before I go to work!

Kassidy

 

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/14/02 7:12:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > What about the artifacts Taylor finds in the cave, the eyeglasses
and
> > false teeth. To me, they seem to indicate 20th Century technology
or
> > a time very close to it. But not a time as far ahead as the 26th
> > Century.
> >
> >
> >
>
> I think it's safe to assume eye glasses, false teeth, and heart
valves will
> be with us for some time. What really could have dated the nuclear
war would
> have been if Taylor examined that doll in the cave more closely and
found on
> the back of it "Copyright 1995 by Hasbro. Made in Japan."

----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:27 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered Timeline

True but do you really think they'll be around in 500 years.


--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/14/02 7:12:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > What about the artifacts Taylor finds in the cave, the eyeglasses
and
> > false teeth. To me, they seem to indicate 20th Century technology
or
> > a time very close to it. But not a time as far ahead as the 26th
> > Century.
> >
> >
> >
>
> I think it's safe to assume eye glasses, false teeth, and heart
valves will
> be with us for some time.  What really could have dated the nuclear
war would
> have been if Taylor examined that doll in the cave more closely and
found on
> the back of it "Copyright 1995 by Hasbro.  Made in Japan."



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--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/14/02 8:40:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > Hope you got the CD, it also has some music from Escape.
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, I forgot about that. I hope everybody here has the APES
scores on CD.
> Every film is out there, even bootlegs of the complete ESCAPE. I
like the
> music in the sequels better than the movies!
>
> -- Rory

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