--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/14/02 5:43:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > On the DVD for Patton Goldsmith talks about how disappointed he
would
> > of been if he had been made to do the score for the 'first'
sequel l
> > to Planet of the Apes in stead of Patton. It's interesting that
he
> > kept stressing the 'first' sequel.
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, that's it in Schaffner tribute documentary. Jerry Goldsmith
can be
> pretty funny. What did you think about his story about what music
finally
> got Noriaga (sp?) out of the Vatican embassy in Panama?
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/14/02 5:47:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > I have 2 Lawgivers because on the first one I got the left arm
was
> > glued too high and it didn't reach the scroll. So I got another.
I
> > have 2 Taylors because I was outbid for one on Ebay so I bid and
won
> > another. Then the person that outbid me for the first retracted
his
> > bid and I won that too. If you know anyone that needs a Taylor
for
> > their collection; let me know.
> >
> >
> >
>
> I have two Lawgivers because they're so cool! I have one I've
taken out of
> the package and keep next to my PLANET DVD as a kind of display.
His left
> arm is a little short too, but not too much. The other one I'll
keep "mint
> on card." Which Taylor is it that you have a extra of?
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/14/02 6:15:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@A... writes:
>
>
> > Yeah, The great star Beverly Garland! I knew that.
> > She'd be my first choice to fill in for Kim Hunter as Zira.
> > Better than David Watson's Cornelius anyway.
> > Thanks for the pix!
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, I just watched that episode. I was amazed at how much she
sounded like
> Kim. David Watson has never bothered me as Cornelius, and I don't
think
> Roddy missed much not doing BENEATH.

> Hey, how about that "rare" Lawgiver poster some guy is selling from
> Australia. I paid $60 for mine, and I still see them popping up on

> the same guy all the time. I rarely go on eBay anymore, and if I

> look.

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Musica!


> In a message dated 3/14/02 1:08:33 PM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << Yeah, I forgot about that. I hope everybody here has the APES scores
on
> CD.
> Every film is out there, even bootlegs of the complete ESCAPE. I like
the
> music in the sequels better than the movies!
>
> -- Rory
> >>
>
> Loc is sending me a few CDs with all the music from the movies on them. I
do
> have some of the vinyls, but my stylist is broken on my record player, and
I
> don't know where to find a new one!
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely different - a man w...

In a message dated 3/14/02 3:57:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Since the remake flopped, most of thgis stuff has gone back to being
reasonably priced.

Funny, but as much as I hate the new movie I wouldn't call it exactly a flop.  It's made money but everyone knows it stinks.  I guess that's a kind of flop, but still I don't like thinking it was a flop, just not very good.  At least it's made the original look that much better.

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:17 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely different!

In a message dated 3/14/02 5:47:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I have 2 Lawgivers because on the first one I got the left arm was
glued too high and it didn't reach the scroll. So I got another. I
have 2 Taylors because I was outbid for one on Ebay so I bid and won
another. Then the person that outbid me for the first retracted his
bid and I won that too. If you know anyone that needs a Taylor for
their collection; let me know.

I have two Lawgivers because they're so cool!  I have one I've taken out of the package and keep next to my PLANET DVD as a kind of display.  His left arm is a little short too, but not too much.  The other one I'll keep "mint on card."  Which Taylor is it that you have a extra of?

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:21 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Monkey Girls

In a message dated 3/14/02 6:15:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Yeah, The great star Beverly Garland!  I knew that.
She'd be my first choice to fill in for Kim Hunter as Zira.
Better than David Watson's Cornelius anyway.
Thanks for the pix!

Yeah, I just watched that episode.  I was amazed at how much she sounded like Kim.   David Watson has never bothered me as Cornelius, and I don't think Roddy missed much not doing BENEATH.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 5:30 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Monkey Girls

David Watson has never bothered me as Cornelius, and I don't think Roddy missed much not doing BENEATH.

Hey!  How many chances do you get to direct?

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From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:11 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered Timeline


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > Yeah, that too, and the "New York is a Summer Festival" poster, but
> you know
> > this is BENEATH -- a mess.
>
> What about the artifacts Taylor finds in the cave, the eyeglasses and
> false teeth. To me, they seem to indicate 20th Century technology or
> a time very close to it. But not a time as far ahead as the 26th
> Century.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:18 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely different!

In a message dated 3/13/02 8:16:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

The best item I have is a 11"x17" reproduction of the Planet one
sheet that has been autographed by Linda Harrison & Charlton Heston.

I met Charlton Heston back in '78 in NYC when he was doing a book signing for "The Actor's Life."  So, I have a signed copy of that.  There were so many people there I couldn't ask him any questions.  I wouldn't want him or anyone else signing my original posters, but repros, okay.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I also have a wrapper from the original Topps cards and a box that held them for display.  I find stuff from '68 the most interesting.  Too bad there's not more of it.  Just the posters, cards, paperback tie-in, and the LP.  I wore my LP of Goldsmith's score out, but I still have it.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----
From: "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:25 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely
different!


> This is one Amazing collection!
>
> I'm a little embarrassed here. I don't really collect stuff. I sort
> of give stuff away. I do have Planet on VHS boxed with
> four "sequels" in a cute Statue of Liberty sleeve. I also bought
> some 1998 [Inkworks] Planet trading cards and some 2001 [Topps] cards
> on eBay to pass out along our parade route. I have several books.
> And yes, I have 2001 2-disk collector's edition on dvd. Oh yeah
> (sheepishly) I have Zira and Zaius in Hasbro edition dolls. I bought
> them for the kids but didn't have enough of them to give them away.
> As a group, we are working on a fine collection of homemade masks and
> costumes.
>
> I am more interested in seeing things than in owning them. (I
> probably couldn't take proper care of stuff anyway.) I would love to
> see Go Ape Billy's stuff. I would love to spend a day with the
> Apes. (Shouldn't there be an Apes theme park somewhere?)
>
> --Helen
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Here's my list from 2000.
> >
> > There's no way I could tell you how much it has expanded other than
> to
> > say....a lot.
> >
> > I know Ken Taylor has a better collection than I, and there is a
> guy (Joe)
> > in the US who has a PHENOMINAL collection, but I think you could
> safely say
> > I would be in the top ten of KNOWN collectors.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> > Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 11:15
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
> > different!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I also have the new POTA movie poster
> >
> >
> > Oh I forgot the new stuff.
> > I have an autographed H B-C photo
> > & 2 of the giant vinyl Ari banners.
> > You gotta have backups!
> > Sure it last longer than paper,
> > but with time warps and all...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:04 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Musica!

In a message dated 3/14/02 8:40:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Hope you got the CD, it also has some music from Escape.

Yeah, I forgot about that.  I hope everybody here has the APES scores on CD.  Every film is out there, even bootlegs of the complete ESCAPE.  I like the music in the sequels better than the movies!

-- Rory

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:16 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered Timeline

In a message dated 3/14/02 9:09:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

OK, I broke out my "Ape Chronicles" chronology from '93. Cornelius says
the carniverous gorillas were from 1300 years ago. And the eyeglasses, doll,
etc. were from 700 years before that, which would put those items in the
20th Century. Of course, the evidence is contestable.          - - - Jeff

Okay, so the nuclear war happened in the 20th century (Fox), but some humanity survived and keep the apes as slaves until the apes got too smart for them and took over.  Hey, Cornelius never mention in ESCAPE that the nuclear war was mentioned in the "secret scrolls"!   Why do we have to assume the ape take over happened before it?  The events in CONQUEST were in just one city.  What about the rest of the country and the world?   And just what did bring about the nuclear war?  Apes revolting?  Lots of groups in the world are revolting (Boy, are they!), but we don't start nuking everybody.  I think there's a movie missing between CONQUEST  and BATTLE.  Maybe Patrick would like to fill in that gap, but I'll probably hate what he comes up with.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Monkey Girls

  Yeah, Bill Blake commented that Beverly Garland sounds like Kim Hunter and looks like Natalie Trundy (in the makeup). Plus, as chimpettes go, it was a meaty role

It is interesting.  And Bill taught Paula how to do Kim's voice too.  I wonder if after Kim turned down the guest spot if that was the part, and that's why they chose Bev, because she was so close voice wise.  It was an interesting part, though The Bitchette was a good role too, and Fauna's.  Playing blind and having to do the Ape acting at the same time.  That's like chewing gum and riding a unicycle!

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered Timeline

Jeff

I wasn't posting in a bad mood.
It was a joke!  I got a million of 'em.
All bad.....


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 12:45
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely
> different!
>
>
> I agree with that, I'd rather see an item than own it. Chris
> Sauseville's
> "Apes" collectibles book chilled my enthusiasm for buying the pricey
> "original" items. They're all in there and it's very compact. That's my
> advice to new fans on the hunt...just buy his book. A picture is worth
> thousand dollars.
> I said before that my collection is nothing to write Ape City
> about. But I
> do have one item I forgot to mention. Back in April 1994 the QVC shopping
> channel had a Sci-Fi week (my memory is so good because I'm
> taking this info
> from article I wrote about it back then). There was a night of "Star Wars"
> collectibles, the same for "Star Trek", a night of fantasy art
> and...a night
> of Fox sci-fi items. They had Fox archivist Alan Adler as guest ( I taped
> the whole thing on VHS; I still have it). They had a reprint of
> "The Day the
> Earth Stood Still" poster (made from Adler's original) signed by
> Robert Wise
> for $39. They had matted "Aliens" holograms for $29. They had uncut sheets
> of "Star Wars Galaxy" trading cards for $41. They had miniature version
> movie posters in lucite ("the Fly" (original), "Day the Earth
> Stood Still",
> "Fantastic voyage" and POTA) . I don't have the price for those listed but
> the production run for each was limited to the year the came out, so POTA
> was limited to 1968 pieces.
> Still with me? There was a b&w lithograph poster of Cornelius for $19.75
> (a picture of it is in Sauseville's book. But what I bought was "The POTA
> Collection", a set of 4 production sketch reproductions (the
> ship, ape city,
> ape buildings and the ape alphabet) plus a T-shirt of the original poster,
> all for $30. Limited to that night only, with a certificate of
> authenticity
> from Fox. I know collectors who seem to have everything, but
> usually they've
> never even heard of this. Did anyone else get this? I guess this is my
> rarest item. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:25 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely
> different!
>
>
> > This is one Amazing collection!
> >
> > I'm a little embarrassed here. I don't really collect stuff. I sort
> > of give stuff away. I do have Planet on VHS boxed with
> > four "sequels" in a cute Statue of Liberty sleeve. I also bought
> > some 1998 [Inkworks] Planet trading cards and some 2001 [Topps] cards
> > on eBay to pass out along our parade route. I have several books.
> > And yes, I have 2001 2-disk collector's edition on dvd. Oh yeah
> > (sheepishly) I have Zira and Zaius in Hasbro edition dolls. I bought
> > them for the kids but didn't have enough of them to give them away.
> > As a group, we are working on a fine collection of homemade masks and
> > costumes.
> >
> > I am more interested in seeing things than in owning them. (I
> > probably couldn't take proper care of stuff anyway.) I would love to
> > see Go Ape Billy's stuff. I would love to spend a day with the
> > Apes. (Shouldn't there be an Apes theme park somewhere?)
> >
> > --Helen
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > Here's my list from 2000.
> > >
> > > There's no way I could tell you how much it has expanded other than
> > to
> > > say....a lot.
> > >
> > > I know Ken Taylor has a better collection than I, and there is a
> > guy (Joe)
> > > in the US who has a PHENOMINAL collection, but I think you could
> > safely say
> > > I would be in the top ten of KNOWN collectors.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 11:15
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
> > > different!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I also have the new POTA movie poster
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh I forgot the new stuff.
> > > I have an autographed H B-C photo
> > > & 2 of the giant vinyl Ari banners.
> > > You gotta have backups!
> > > Sure it last longer than paper,
> > > but with time warps and all...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Monday, 11 March 2002 3:36
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape-ologies
>
>
> Well if you'd like to write a letter the correct person would be:
>
> Michael Dunn
> Exec. V.P.-Mktg. & Sls.
> 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
> 2121 Ave. of the Stars, 25th Fl.
> Los Angeles, CA 90067
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/10/02 11:08:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> >
> >
> > > No he left FOX in the late 80s went to Disney for a while and is
> now
> > > at Universal.
> > > I agree with you about the cover. Very stupid move. It's like
> putting
> > > a picture of Norman Bates on the cover of Psycho.
> > >
> >
> > No, it's more like putting the sled with rosebud on it on the cover
> of
> > CITIZEN KANE. It actually is that outrageous a piece of disrespect
> to a
> > cinema classic, and if I only knew who to yell about it to at Fox
> without
> > wasting my time, I'd give them such a tongue lashing as you guys
> have yet to
> > hear from me on any other subject!
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@...]
> Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 1:25
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely
> different!
>
>
> This is one Amazing collection!
>
> I'm a little embarrassed here. I don't really collect stuff. I sort
> of give stuff away. I do have Planet on VHS boxed with
> four "sequels" in a cute Statue of Liberty sleeve. I also bought
> some 1998 [Inkworks] Planet trading cards and some 2001 [Topps] cards
> on eBay to pass out along our parade route. I have several books.
> And yes, I have 2001 2-disk collector's edition on dvd. Oh yeah
> (sheepishly) I have Zira and Zaius in Hasbro edition dolls. I bought
> them for the kids but didn't have enough of them to give them away.
> As a group, we are working on a fine collection of homemade masks and
> costumes.
>
> I am more interested in seeing things than in owning them. (I
> probably couldn't take proper care of stuff anyway.) I would love to
> see Go Ape Billy's stuff. I would love to spend a day with the
> Apes. (Shouldn't there be an Apes theme park somewhere?)
>
> --Helen
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Here's my list from 2000.
> >
> > There's no way I could tell you how much it has expanded other than
> to
> > say....a lot.
> >
> > I know Ken Taylor has a better collection than I, and there is a
> guy (Joe)
> > in the US who has a PHENOMINAL collection, but I think you could
> safely say
> > I would be in the top ten of KNOWN collectors.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> > Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 11:15
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
> > different!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I also have the new POTA movie poster
> >
> >
> > Oh I forgot the new stuff.
> > I have an autographed H B-C photo
> > & 2 of the giant vinyl Ari banners.
> > You gotta have backups!
> > Sure it last longer than paper,
> > but with time warps and all...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Hi Helen
>
> Like I said there are more amazing collections around - I was just
very
> dilligent for a few years there. Nearly all the stuff listed is in
the
> original package and cost a fortune to buy.
>
> The way it goes is, thing cost a lot until the serious ape
collectors have
> them.....then they sell for next to nothing and make us squirm. I
bought a
> pop gun (that no collector ever knew existed until it appeared on
ebay) in
> mint condition for about $250. This guy must have had about 50 of
them and
> now they appear on ebay for about $25. ARRRRGHHH!!!
>
> So don't be embarrassed - collectors are insane.
>
> Since the remake flopped, most of thgis stuff has gone back to being
> reasonably priced.
>
> What is "Go-Ape Billy's Stuff"?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@y...]
> > Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 1:25
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely
> > different!
> >
> >
> > This is one Amazing collection!
> >
> > I'm a little embarrassed here. I don't really collect stuff. I
sort
> > of give stuff away. I do have Planet on VHS boxed with
> > four "sequels" in a cute Statue of Liberty sleeve. I also bought
> > some 1998 [Inkworks] Planet trading cards and some 2001 [Topps]
cards
> > on eBay to pass out along our parade route. I have several books.
> > And yes, I have 2001 2-disk collector's edition on dvd. Oh yeah
> > (sheepishly) I have Zira and Zaius in Hasbro edition dolls. I
bought
> > them for the kids but didn't have enough of them to give them
away.
> > As a group, we are working on a fine collection of homemade masks
and
> > costumes.
> >
> > I am more interested in seeing things than in owning them. (I
> > probably couldn't take proper care of stuff anyway.) I would
love to
> > see Go Ape Billy's stuff. I would love to spend a day with the
> > Apes. (Shouldn't there be an Apes theme park somewhere?)
> >
> > --Helen
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > Here's my list from 2000.
> > >
> > > There's no way I could tell you how much it has expanded other
than
> > to
> > > say....a lot.
> > >
> > > I know Ken Taylor has a better collection than I, and there is a
> > guy (Joe)
> > > in the US who has a PHENOMINAL collection, but I think you could
> > safely say
> > > I would be in the top ten of KNOWN collectors.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 11:15
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something
completely
> > > different!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I also have the new POTA movie poster
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh I forgot the new stuff.
> > > I have an autographed H B-C photo
> > > & 2 of the giant vinyl Ari banners.
> > > You gotta have backups!
> > > Sure it last longer than paper,
> > > but with time warps and all...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >

Michael Whitty wrote:...

"So don't be embarrassed - collectors are insane."

Boy, Mikey, you nailed that one on the head!!!    Ever since we put up the Apemania website (back in '99?) we have come in contact with so many collectors all with different wants and needs (an personalities) that I feel I need to go back to school and get a degree in psychology to deal with them all.  Either that or keep a tazer on "stun" everyday of the week.

I tell you, they come up with some pretty strange requests.  Just when I think I've heard or have seen it all, someone will come up with a doozey.  They never cease to amaze me.

Now, excuse me, I'm being told it's time for my meds.

Cheers,

Brian "What? me a FREAK?" Penikas

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 12:42 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely different - a man w...

Well it sure has not made POTA collectibles MORE valuable.

 

The thing is, as soon as there is talk of a remake, the classic stuff goes through the roof.  If the remake is a success and makes people want to get on the franchise wagon (and you would have to say POTA 2001 did NOT, and therefore flopped in the sense of selling franchise merchandise - eh Terry Hoknes?) then the classic stuff goes even higher, if not it goes to hell.

 

Hope that is clearer.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 10:09
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely different - a man w...

In a message dated 3/14/02 3:57:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Since the remake flopped, most of thgis stuff has gone back to being
reasonably priced.

Funny, but as much as I hate the new movie I wouldn't call it exactly a flop.  It's made money but everyone knows it stinks.  I guess that's a kind of flop, but still I don't like thinking it was a flop, just not very good.  At least it's made the original look that much better.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:39 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Collectibles


> I've got to say again Jeff that for what it is supposed to be, a book
about
> POTA Collectibles, the only really good thing about the book is that it
> exists. It does not list a LOT of collectibles, and it does not have
photos
> of some of the rares stuff (the radio, the drum kit, the bollo neck ties -
> don't get me started). I think Sauseville's book is rushed and not very
> thoroughly researched. I also hate the endless pages dedicated to T
shirts
> that are not even official release - and he puts them one to a page
whereas
> he has the better collectible stuff so small you can hardly see it.
>
> It really could have been SO much better with little effort. Why didn't
he
> visit Joe Farr and photograph some of his collection which is huge and
> nearly everything is pristine? It was rushed Jeff, take it from someone
who
> knows what it COULD have been.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 12:45
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely
> > different!
> >
> >
> > I agree with that, I'd rather see an item than own it. Chris
> > Sauseville's
> > "Apes" collectibles book chilled my enthusiasm for buying the pricey
> > "original" items. They're all in there and it's very compact. That's my
> > advice to new fans on the hunt...just buy his book. A picture is worth
> > thousand dollars.
> > I said before that my collection is nothing to write Ape City
> > about. But I
> > do have one item I forgot to mention. Back in April 1994 the QVC
shopping
> > channel had a Sci-Fi week (my memory is so good because I'm
> > taking this info
> > from article I wrote about it back then). There was a night of "Star
Wars"
> > collectibles, the same for "Star Trek", a night of fantasy art
> > and...a night
> > of Fox sci-fi items. They had Fox archivist Alan Adler as guest ( I
taped
> > the whole thing on VHS; I still have it). They had a reprint of
> > "The Day the
> > Earth Stood Still" poster (made from Adler's original) signed by
> > Robert Wise
> > for $39. They had matted "Aliens" holograms for $29. They had uncut
sheets
> > of "Star Wars Galaxy" trading cards for $41. They had miniature version
> > movie posters in lucite ("the Fly" (original), "Day the Earth
> > Stood Still",
> > "Fantastic voyage" and POTA) . I don't have the price for those listed
but
> > the production run for each was limited to the year the came out, so
POTA
> > was limited to 1968 pieces.
> > Still with me? There was a b&w lithograph poster of Cornelius for
$19.75
> > (a picture of it is in Sauseville's book. But what I bought was "The
POTA
> > Collection", a set of 4 production sketch reproductions (the
> > ship, ape city,
> > ape buildings and the ape alphabet) plus a T-shirt of the original
poster,
> > all for $30. Limited to that night only, with a certificate of
> > authenticity
> > from Fox. I know collectors who seem to have everything, but
> > usually they've
> > never even heard of this. Did anyone else get this? I guess this is my
> > rarest item. - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:25 AM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely
> > different!
> >
> >
> > > This is one Amazing collection!
> > >
> > > I'm a little embarrassed here. I don't really collect stuff. I sort
> > > of give stuff away. I do have Planet on VHS boxed with
> > > four "sequels" in a cute Statue of Liberty sleeve. I also bought
> > > some 1998 [Inkworks] Planet trading cards and some 2001 [Topps] cards
> > > on eBay to pass out along our parade route. I have several books.
> > > And yes, I have 2001 2-disk collector's edition on dvd. Oh yeah
> > > (sheepishly) I have Zira and Zaius in Hasbro edition dolls. I bought
> > > them for the kids but didn't have enough of them to give them away.
> > > As a group, we are working on a fine collection of homemade masks and
> > > costumes.
> > >
> > > I am more interested in seeing things than in owning them. (I
> > > probably couldn't take proper care of stuff anyway.) I would love to
> > > see Go Ape Billy's stuff. I would love to spend a day with the
> > > Apes. (Shouldn't there be an Apes theme park somewhere?)
> > >
> > > --Helen
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > Here's my list from 2000.
> > > >
> > > > There's no way I could tell you how much it has expanded other than
> > > to
> > > > say....a lot.
> > > >
> > > > I know Ken Taylor has a better collection than I, and there is a
> > > guy (Joe)
> > > > in the US who has a PHENOMINAL collection, but I think you could
> > > safely say
> > > > I would be in the top ten of KNOWN collectors.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 11:15
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
> > > > different!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I also have the new POTA movie poster
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh I forgot the new stuff.
> > > > I have an autographed H B-C photo
> > > > & 2 of the giant vinyl Ari banners.
> > > > You gotta have backups!
> > > > Sure it last longer than paper,
> > > > but with time warps and all...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:39 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Collectibles

Yes I ended up buying these from another collector.

 

I was SO disappointed by the "Ape Alphabet" - I thought it was going to decipher the glyphs!  Whst a load of crap that turned out to be.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [mailto:Haristas@...]
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 13:36
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely different!

In a message dated 3/14/02 9:41:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

There was a b&w lithograph poster of Cornelius for $19.75
(a picture of it is in Sauseville's book. But what I bought was "The POTA
Collection", a set of 4 production sketch reproductions (the ship, ape city,
ape buildings and the ape alphabet) plus a T-shirt of the original poster,
all for $30. Limited to that night only, with a certificate of authenticity
from Fox. I know collectors who seem to have everything, but usually they've
never even heard of this. Did anyone else get this?  I guess this is my
rarest item.        - - Jeff

No, I do not have this.  I have heard of it.  I can't remember what I was doing in '94 (other than writing letters to Fox BEGGING for Collector's Edition of PLANET on LD), but it wasn't watching QVC.

-- Rory

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:20 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] collectors are insane

 

Michael Whitty wrote:...

"So don't be embarrassed - collectors are insane."

Boy, Mikey, you nailed that one on the head!!!    Ever since we put up the Apemania website (back in '99?) we have come in contact with so many collectors all with different wants and needs (an personalities) that I feel I need to go back to school and get a degree in psychology to deal with them all.  Either that or keep a tazer on "stun" everyday of the week.

I tell you, they come up with some pretty strange requests.  Just when I think I've heard or have seen it all, someone will come up with a doozey.  They never cease to amaze me.

Now, excuse me, I'm being told it's time for my meds.

Cheers,

Brian "What? me a FREAK?" Penikas

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:38 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Monkey Spanking

Yeah, thanks for the pics.  Now I'm gonna spank the monkey.

 

BAD monkey.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 9:09
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Monkey Girls

This next one is the evil Wanda, played by Beverly Garland.

Yeah, The great star Beverly Garland!  I knew that.
She'd be my first choice to fill in for Kim Hunter as Zira.
Better than David Watson's Cornelius anyway.
Thanks for the pix!


T

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Mostly we get lots of miracle working requests, especially when it comes to not just restoring stuff, but resurrecting items that should have been burried and forgotten about a long long time ago.

Take a look at some:
<http://apemania.com/RESTORATIONS/INVISIBLES.jpg>
<http://apemania.com/RESTORATIONS/BGgorilla.htm>
<http://apemania.com/RESTORATIONS/Sarcof.jpg>
<http://apemania.com/RESTORATIONS.htm>

Enjoy,

Brian

ThyPentacle wrote:

 What kind of "strange requests" are you talking about? :o) Just curious, ThyPentacle 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 12:52 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] collectors are insane

You name it.  One of the funiiest was someone in Chicago that lived in a third floor loft wondering what it would cost to have the 9' Lawgiver statue air-lifted through their 3rd story window, because there was no way to get the darn thing up the stairwell.

Mostly we get lots of miracle working requests, especially when it comes to not just restoring stuff, but resurrecting items that should have been burried and forgotten about a long long time ago.

Take a look at some:
<http://apemania.com/RESTORATIONS/INVISIBLES.jpg>
<http://apemania.com/RESTORATIONS/BGgorilla.htm>
<http://apemania.com/RESTORATIONS/Sarcof.jpg>
<http://apemania.com/RESTORATIONS.htm>

Enjoy,

Brian

ThyPentacle wrote:

 What kind of "strange requests" are you talking about? :o) Just curious, ThyPentacle 

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B

ThyPentacle wrote:

 Wow! That's some nice work you do! As far as the strange requests go, well, being the total perv I am, I was leaning in a completely different direction when I read that. Like people wanting ape-sex dolls made or something. LOL :o)))  Believe it or not, I've seen stranger things. ThyPentacle

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:31 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] ape-sex dolls

No sex dolls here. It's all G-Rated.    Although, I've seen some of Arnold Garguilo's work (out of New York) and many folks think his could be converted blow up Susy dolls.  (Sorry Arnie)

B

ThyPentacle wrote:

 Wow! That's some nice work you do! As far as the strange requests go, well, being the total perv I am, I was leaning in a completely different direction when I read that. Like people wanting ape-sex dolls made or something. LOL :o)))  Believe it or not, I've seen stranger things. ThyPentacle

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:39 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Collectibles

Yes I ended up buying these from another collector.

 

I was SO disappointed by the "Ape Alphabet" - I thought it was going to decipher the glyphs!  Whst a load of crap that turned out to be.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [mailto:Haristas@...]
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 13:36
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely different!

In a message dated 3/14/02 9:41:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

There was a b&w lithograph poster of Cornelius for $19.75
(a picture of it is in Sauseville's book. But what I bought was "The POTA
Collection", a set of 4 production sketch reproductions (the ship, ape city,
ape buildings and the ape alphabet) plus a T-shirt of the original poster,
all for $30. Limited to that night only, with a certificate of authenticity
from Fox. I know collectors who seem to have everything, but usually they've
never even heard of this. Did anyone else get this?  I guess this is my
rarest item.        - - Jeff

No, I do not have this.  I have heard of it.  I can't remember what I was doing in '94 (other than writing letters to Fox BEGGING for Collector's Edition of PLANET on LD), but it wasn't watching QVC.

-- Rory

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 16 March 2002 2:15
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Collectibles
>
>
> Agreed. But like you said, it exists. There's certainly room for another
> book. I thought it was dumb that he had 2 pages of pictures of scripts.
> Whafo? I've seen Joe Farrell's (Joe Farr) stuff (he goes by "Apeholics
> Anonymous", there's a picture of his stuff in Greene's book). It's
> impressive. And then of course Michael Hellen's, which decorated the
> Chambers tribute. And yours, sir. A little legwork could produce a killer
> book. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 1:39 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Collectibles
>
>
> > I've got to say again Jeff that for what it is supposed to be, a book
> about
> > POTA Collectibles, the only really good thing about the book is that it
> > exists. It does not list a LOT of collectibles, and it does not have
> photos
> > of some of the rares stuff (the radio, the drum kit, the bollo
> neck ties -
> > don't get me started). I think Sauseville's book is rushed and not very
> > thoroughly researched. I also hate the endless pages dedicated to T
> shirts
> > that are not even official release - and he puts them one to a page
> whereas
> > he has the better collectible stuff so small you can hardly see it.
> >
> > It really could have been SO much better with little effort. Why didn't
> he
> > visit Joe Farr and photograph some of his collection which is huge and
> > nearly everything is pristine? It was rushed Jeff, take it from someone
> who
> > knows what it COULD have been.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > > Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 12:45
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely
> > > different!
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with that, I'd rather see an item than own it. Chris
> > > Sauseville's
> > > "Apes" collectibles book chilled my enthusiasm for buying the pricey
> > > "original" items. They're all in there and it's very compact.
> That's my
> > > advice to new fans on the hunt...just buy his book. A picture is worth
> > > thousand dollars.
> > > I said before that my collection is nothing to write Ape City
> > > about. But I
> > > do have one item I forgot to mention. Back in April 1994 the QVC
> shopping
> > > channel had a Sci-Fi week (my memory is so good because I'm
> > > taking this info
> > > from article I wrote about it back then). There was a night of "Star
> Wars"
> > > collectibles, the same for "Star Trek", a night of fantasy art
> > > and...a night
> > > of Fox sci-fi items. They had Fox archivist Alan Adler as guest ( I
> taped
> > > the whole thing on VHS; I still have it). They had a reprint of
> > > "The Day the
> > > Earth Stood Still" poster (made from Adler's original) signed by
> > > Robert Wise
> > > for $39. They had matted "Aliens" holograms for $29. They had uncut
> sheets
> > > of "Star Wars Galaxy" trading cards for $41. They had
> miniature version
> > > movie posters in lucite ("the Fly" (original), "Day the Earth
> > > Stood Still",
> > > "Fantastic voyage" and POTA) . I don't have the price for those listed
> but
> > > the production run for each was limited to the year the came out, so
> POTA
> > > was limited to 1968 pieces.
> > > Still with me? There was a b&w lithograph poster of Cornelius for
> $19.75
> > > (a picture of it is in Sauseville's book. But what I bought was "The
> POTA
> > > Collection", a set of 4 production sketch reproductions (the
> > > ship, ape city,
> > > ape buildings and the ape alphabet) plus a T-shirt of the original
> poster,
> > > all for $30. Limited to that night only, with a certificate of
> > > authenticity
> > > from Fox. I know collectors who seem to have everything, but
> > > usually they've
> > > never even heard of this. Did anyone else get this? I guess
> this is my
> > > rarest item. - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:25 AM
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: And now for something completely
> > > different!
> > >
> > >
> > > > This is one Amazing collection!
> > > >
> > > > I'm a little embarrassed here. I don't really collect
> stuff. I sort
> > > > of give stuff away. I do have Planet on VHS boxed with
> > > > four "sequels" in a cute Statue of Liberty sleeve. I also bought
> > > > some 1998 [Inkworks] Planet trading cards and some 2001
> [Topps] cards
> > > > on eBay to pass out along our parade route. I have several books.
> > > > And yes, I have 2001 2-disk collector's edition on dvd. Oh yeah
> > > > (sheepishly) I have Zira and Zaius in Hasbro edition dolls.
> I bought
> > > > them for the kids but didn't have enough of them to give them away.
> > > > As a group, we are working on a fine collection of homemade
> masks and
> > > > costumes.
> > > >
> > > > I am more interested in seeing things than in owning them. (I
> > > > probably couldn't take proper care of stuff anyway.) I
> would love to
> > > > see Go Ape Billy's stuff. I would love to spend a day with the
> > > > Apes. (Shouldn't there be an Apes theme park somewhere?)
> > > >
> > > > --Helen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Here's my list from 2000.
> > > > >
> > > > > There's no way I could tell you how much it has expanded
> other than
> > > > to
> > > > > say....a lot.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know Ken Taylor has a better collection than I, and there is a
> > > > guy (Joe)
> > > > > in the US who has a PHENOMINAL collection, but I think you could
> > > > safely say
> > > > > I would be in the top ten of KNOWN collectors.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 11:15
> > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
> > > > > different!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I also have the new POTA movie poster
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh I forgot the new stuff.
> > > > > I have an autographed H B-C photo
> > > > > & 2 of the giant vinyl Ari banners.
> > > > > You gotta have backups!
> > > > > Sure it last longer than paper,
> > > > > but with time warps and all...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Mostly we get lots of miracle working requests, especially when it comes to not just restoring stuff, but resurrecting items that should have been burried and forgotten about a long long time ago.

Take a look at some:
<http://apemania.com/RESTORATIONS/INVISIBLES.jpg>
<http://apemania.com/RESTORATIONS/BGgorilla.htm>
<http://apemania.com/RESTORATIONS/Sarcof.jpg>
<http://apemania.com/RESTORATIONS.htm>

Enjoy,

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:15 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] STAR WARS MUSIC VIDEO! [OT]


>
> Star Wars Music Video!
> Yeah, Yeah, the movie may end up sucking, but my new music video does
ROCK!
> :o)
>
>
> www.calima5021.com/starwars.mpg
>
> 36 megs and music: Only the current number one song in the U.S.
> IN THE END.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
>
> _____

>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] STAR WARS MUSIC VIDEO! [OT]
>Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:14:34 -0800
>
> That's excellent, Alex! You're making me want to see the movie. You got
>the tone right and you doubled up on the shots that are too quick. You even
>made Yoda look good (less is more in his case). You should put it on the
>DVD, unless you're afraid of big, bad Lucas. Chicken? - - Jeff
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:15 AM
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] STAR WARS MUSIC VIDEO! [OT]
>
>
> >
> > Star Wars Music Video!
> > Yeah, Yeah, the movie may end up sucking, but my new music video does
>ROCK!
> > :o)
> >
> >
> > www.calima5021.com/starwars.mpg
> >
> > 36 megs and music: Only the current number one song in the U.S.
> > IN THE END.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Best.
> > Al
> >
> >
> >
> > _____

> Actually there was this one movie that Fox did back in late 1967

> really huge merchandising campaign. Unfortunately, the film

> because of that there wasn't a merchandising blitz for "Planet of

> in 1968. What was the film? You guessed it, Arthur

> Dolittle" -- the movie that almost sunk Fox.

> In a message dated 3/15/02 11:04:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>Hell, maybe even
> the Romans made dolls based on heroes from the gladitorial games!

--- In pota@y..., "Lynne Miller" <cosmicraye@h...> wrote:


I missed this original post! Congrats Michael! And, no, if you can
at all help it, try to sell everything but the POTA collection.
Heck, I'm even now going through my Star Wars items, to see if there
is any way to conserve space.

Lynne



> > So now that my wife and I are about to welcome twins into the
family to
> > join my other 2 children, and my thoughts turn darkly to "maybe I
will have
> > to sell the collection...", I take comfort in the fact that there
is no
> > need to - it is no longer worth selling! But I must acmit that
right now
> > if I got the right offer it may be considered.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 16 March 2002 13:59
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Collectibles
>
>
> > Actually there was this one movie that Fox did back in late 1967
> that had a
> > really huge merchandising campaign. Unfortunately, the film
> bombed and
> > because of that there wasn't a merchandising blitz for "Planet of
> the Apes"
> > in 1968. What was the film? You guessed it, Arthur
> Jacob's "Doctor
> > Dolittle" -- the movie that almost sunk Fox.
>
> How everyone forgets that the James Bond films were doing this all in
> the mid-60s? Hundreds of toys and other items were produced back
> then. They pioneered movie merchandising along with promotional tie-
> ins as well as the concept of making each sequel bigger than the last
> instead of spending less and less as they did with Apes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 16 March 2002 13:59
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Collectibles
>
>
> > Actually there was this one movie that Fox did back in late 1967
> that had a
> > really huge merchandising campaign. Unfortunately, the film
> bombed and
> > because of that there wasn't a merchandising blitz for "Planet of
> the Apes"
> > in 1968. What was the film? You guessed it, Arthur
> Jacob's "Doctor
> > Dolittle" -- the movie that almost sunk Fox.
>
> How everyone forgets that the James Bond films were doing this all in
> the mid-60s? Hundreds of toys and other items were produced back
> then. They pioneered movie merchandising along with promotional tie-
> ins as well as the concept of making each sequel bigger than the last
> instead of spending less and less as they did with Apes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 16 March 2002 13:59
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Collectibles
>
>
> > Actually there was this one movie that Fox did back in late 1967
> that had a
> > really huge merchandising campaign. Unfortunately, the film
> bombed and
> > because of that there wasn't a merchandising blitz for "Planet of
> the Apes"
> > in 1968. What was the film? You guessed it, Arthur
> Jacob's "Doctor
> > Dolittle" -- the movie that almost sunk Fox.
>
> How everyone forgets that the James Bond films were doing this all in
> the mid-60s? Hundreds of toys and other items were produced back
> then. They pioneered movie merchandising along with promotional tie-
> ins as well as the concept of making each sequel bigger than the last
> instead of spending less and less as they did with Apes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
In a message dated 3/12/02 11:22:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:

>But, Rory, I thought you didn't even consider the sequel movies
>"canon"... so why do you have an opinion at all regarding the >location of "Breck's city"?


I guess with you, Patrick, everything is either black or white. Well,
it's not with me. There is an APES series, each film does follow to a
degree the story that came before, but there are continuity errors
from film to film that as far as I'm concerned make what you're trying
to do with your maga-whatever-it-is ridiculous. So, I accept the
films as creating a series, but not a saga (which is defined as "a
long story with many episodes"), not seperate chapters of one story,
but seperate stories with related themes, characters, and events.
Although there may be more connective tissue between the APES films
(especially the four sequels) than say the James Bond movies, the APES
movies are a film series just like the James Bond or Frankenstein or
Tarzan movies. They're not a serial, they're not a saga.

-- Rory

***I beg to differ. Paul Dehn was the primary architect of the post-
PLANET sequels. Granted, he hadn't thought to write ESCAPE when he was
writing PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED (i.e. BENEATH), but as he
continued on, writing ESCAPE and then CONQUEST and the early version
of BATTLE, he gave the "series" a connective thread that any student
of mythic literature should be able to appreciate--and that
"connective thread" is the character CAESAR.
The 4 film sequels--all told--contain the pattern of an epic saga of
the quintessential epic hero, the son of Zira and Cornelius. The
traits this pattern follows are easily compared with prior bearers of
the "heroic pattern".
1.) The Hero has a miraculous conception: Caesar/Baby Milo is
conceived in the Future (in 3955), chronologically AFTER his birth in
1973; the BATTLE Lawgiver preaches that he had been "sent by God" in
order to save his people; compare this to the "mission" given to
Jesus, the divine role Aeneas was to play (in Virgil's AENEID), etc.
We know that Zira was pregnant during BENEATH, because she
specifically mentions that "at least OUR CHILD, WHEN HE'S BORN, won't
be breast-fed on bile!"
2.) The Hero would have an endangered life before/during/after the
time of his birth: compare the attempts on his life by Dr. Hasslein,
etc. with those against Moses and Jesus, and against Zeus in Greek
myth.
3.) When the Hero "comes of age", he fulfils the purpose of his
"advent"--to be a "savior" to his people. EVERY epic hero accomplishes
this.
4.) The Hero undergoes a symbolic/literal "death"; Caesar is
"electrocuted" on Kolp's order... yet he lives. Also, Caesar makes a
Descent into the Underworld, into Hell, in BATTLE. "This is the "hell"
our forefathers told of..." says MacDonald prior to their entering
into the subterranean depths of the nuked-out city Breck once ruled.
5.) The Hero communes with the soul of his Father, or an important
Ancestor during his trip to the Underworld, in order to learn about
the Fate of his people; think of Aeneas seeing the soul of his father
Anchises in Book VI of the AENEID and seeing the procession of the
future Emperors of Rome (culminating in Augustus), or Jesus going to
"the right hand of the Father" after his Death. In BATTLE, Dehn has
Caesar ingeniously descending into a sci-fi version of "hell", and
learning about the fate of the world from the Voices of his deceased
Mother and Father (their "ghosts" can actually impart Knowledge to
him).

Paul Dehn was not just a screenwriter. He was also a poet (I have yet
to read any of his poetry--his works are out of print, dammit!). As a
poet, Dehn knew enough about the ancient pattern of the Epic to enfuse
it into his PLANET sequels.
The PLANET OF THE APES movies IS a Saga. The Epic story of Caesar (re-
told some seven centuries after the fact by a "Lawgiver") is the glue
that holds it all together.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 3-17-2002

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] STAR WARS MUSIC VIDEO! [OT]


> Thanks, Jeff.
> I'll place it as a DVD easter egg somewhere.
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
> >From: <veetus@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] STAR WARS MUSIC VIDEO! [OT]
> >Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:14:34 -0800
> >
> > That's excellent, Alex! You're making me want to see the movie. You
got
> >the tone right and you doubled up on the shots that are too quick. You
even
> >made Yoda look good (less is more in his case). You should put it on the
> >DVD, unless you're afraid of big, bad Lucas. Chicken? - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:15 AM
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] STAR WARS MUSIC VIDEO! [OT]
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Star Wars Music Video!
> > > Yeah, Yeah, the movie may end up sucking, but my new music video does
> >ROCK!
> > > :o)
> > >
> > >
> > > www.calima5021.com/starwars.mpg
> > >
> > > 36 megs and music: Only the current number one song in the U.S.
> > > IN THE END.
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > >
> > > Best.
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____ > _____

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Collectibles


> > Actually there was this one movie that Fox did back in late 1967
> that had a
> > really huge merchandising campaign. Unfortunately, the film
> bombed and
> > because of that there wasn't a merchandising blitz for "Planet of
> the Apes"
> > in 1968. What was the film? You guessed it, Arthur
> Jacob's "Doctor
> > Dolittle" -- the movie that almost sunk Fox.
>
> How everyone forgets that the James Bond films were doing this all in
> the mid-60s? Hundreds of toys and other items were produced back
> then. They pioneered movie merchandising along with promotional tie-
> ins as well as the concept of making each sequel bigger than the last
> instead of spending less and less as they did with Apes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:13 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Collectibles

In a message dated 3/15/02 4:31:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

POTA is the first of the mega movie merchandising exercises.  I think that until Star Wars came along, no other movie/TV Series/Cartoon Series ever came CLOSE to having as much merchandise. 

Actually there was this one movie that Fox did back in late 1967 that had a really huge merchandising campaign.   Unfortunately, the film bombed and because of that there wasn't a merchandising blitz for "Planet of the Apes" in 1968.  What was the film?  You guessed it, Arthur Jacob's "Doctor Dolittle" -- the movie that almost sunk Fox.

So now that my wife and I are about to welcome twins into the family to join my other 2 children, and my thoughts turn darkly to "maybe I will have to sell the collection...", I take comfort in the fact that there is no need to - it is no longer worth selling!  But I must acmit that right now if I got the right offer it may be considered.

Michael

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I don't think James Bond went as far as "Dolittle" of "Apes" in
terms of
> amount of stuff or in dumping it on the market all at once. I know
that "Dr.
> Dolittle" was the first movie to release trading cards at the time
of the
> movie's release. There were movie cards before, like "King Kong"
and, yes,
> James Bond, but they were released years after the fact. And "Apes"
was a
> close runner-up. That took a little confidence instead of waiting
to see if
> people like your movie before selling cards. Jacobs was a pioneer
in that.
> The norm was cards based on TV shows, which had a continuing
> audience. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Collectibles
>
>
> > > Actually there was this one movie that Fox did back in late 1967
> > that had a
> > > really huge merchandising campaign. Unfortunately, the film
> > bombed and
> > > because of that there wasn't a merchandising blitz for "Planet
of
> > the Apes"
> > > in 1968. What was the film? You guessed it, Arthur
> > Jacob's "Doctor
> > > Dolittle" -- the movie that almost sunk Fox.
> >
> > How everyone forgets that the James Bond films were doing this
all in
> > the mid-60s? Hundreds of toys and other items were produced back
> > then. They pioneered movie merchandising along with promotional
tie-
> > ins as well as the concept of making each sequel bigger than the
last
> > instead of spending less and less as they did with Apes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:13 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Collectibles

In a message dated 3/15/02 4:31:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

POTA is the first of the mega movie merchandising exercises.  I think that until Star Wars came along, no other movie/TV Series/Cartoon Series ever came CLOSE to having as much merchandise. 

Actually there was this one movie that Fox did back in late 1967 that had a really huge merchandising campaign.   Unfortunately, the film bombed and because of that there wasn't a merchandising blitz for "Planet of the Apes" in 1968.  What was the film?  You guessed it, Arthur Jacob's "Doctor Dolittle" -- the movie that almost sunk Fox.

So now that my wife and I are about to welcome twins into the family to join my other 2 children, and my thoughts turn darkly to "maybe I will have to sell the collection...", I take comfort in the fact that there is no need to - it is no longer worth selling!  But I must acmit that right now if I got the right offer it may be considered.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@...]
> Sent: Monday, 18 March 2002 0:36
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Collectibles
>
>
> By all means, Michael. Sell the kids. By the time they are grown,
> you collection won't be worth anything, anyway... ;)
>
> --Helen
>
> Seriously, though, **congratulations**. I welcome more humans into
> this world. Maybe one of yours will disarm the bomb. You never know.

>From: "Lynne Miller" <cosmicraye@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Naughton and E.T.
>Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:14:22 -0500
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 6:56 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Collectibles

In a message dated 3/15/02 11:04:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Actually there was this one movie that Fox did back in late 1967
that had a really huge merchandising campaign.   Unfortunately, the film
bombed and because of that there wasn't a merchandising blitz for "Planet of
the Apes" in 1968.  What was the film?  You guessed it, Arthur P.Jacob's "Doctor
Dolittle" -- the movie that almost sunk Fox.

How everyone forgets that the James Bond films were doing this all in
the mid-60s? Hundreds of toys and other items were produced back
then. They pioneered movie merchandising along with promotional tie-
ins as well as the concept of making each sequel bigger than the last
instead of spending less and less as they did with Apes.

I was just thinking about this again and movie merchandising actually goes way back.  I think the "Tarzan" movies and "Flash Gordon" serials had loads of tie-in products back in the 1930s.  I've even seen photos of The Three Stooges from the '30s with their own dolls, then of course there's all that Mickey Mouse stuff.  So, there's nothing new under the sun.  Hell, maybe even the Romans made dolls based on heroes from the gladitorial games!

-- Rory

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

> Serials and "B" movies were the TV of their day. Just as TV has

>

more pics - the mother, in the yellow is Zantes, played by Jacqueline Scott

more pics - the mother, in the yellow is Zantes, played by Jacqueline Scott

><But Virden and Burke seem to carry this pacifism to an extreme. Not only
>do they not carry weapons, they have prevented both a coup (Up Above
>the World So High) and a civil war (The Liberator ??) against the ape regime.
>In the short term it is clear that Zaius and Urko are better off having
>Virden and Burke running around preventing coups and civil wars against them.>
>
>Actually, in the Liberator they encouraged the humans to rebel against

> human slaves for the apes. They offered to help resist the apes.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 8:30 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Pics - POTA tv show episode: The Good Seeds

more pics - the mother, in the yellow is Zantes, played by Jacqueline Scott

daughter with the long hair (?) is Jillia, played by Eileen Ditz Elben

---

>
>Since we have some new members to the group, I was wondering if anyone new
>here is an APES collector? Others here know that I have many original APES
>posters, since I've been collecting since the '70s. I also have the original
>Topps cards from PLANET and the TV series, and I have the Inkworks cards from
>a few years ago and, yes, I even bought the Topps cards to the new piece of
>crap. I have stills and lobby cards from the films, lots of mags (Famous
>Monsters, Castle of Frankenstein, Cinefantastic) that had features on the
>movies. I have all the pressbooks and heralds. And in recent years I've
>collect the Hasbro figures from the original series and most of the Medicoms.
> I also have a couple cool models of the Icarus spaceship.
>

>
>Umm, what about the dial telephone???
>
>--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
>>
>> I don't think we have to assume that New York City was destroyed in
>the 20th
>> century. Remember that when BENEATH was written and filmed, they
>had no idea
>> ESCAPE was going to be made, so we shouldn't let what was revealed
>in ESCAPE
>> dictate how we think about BENEATH. The only thing in NYC ruins in
>BENEATH
>> that possibly dates its destruction as in the 20th century is the
>bus seen

>
>
>It's obvious in PLANET that Dr. Zaius has never been in the Forbidden Zone.
>I'd forgotten about him asking Taylor, "Where is your tribe?" As for the
>"Secret Scrolls"... well, you've got to remember that wasn't invented until
>ESCAPE. There's no hint of these things in PLANET. One of the wonderful
>things about PLANET is it's so ambiguous as to how the earth became a planet
>of apes, and just how much the apes know about their past. (That allows your

> Thanks again Kassidy! :o) I have added all those to my group and

>
> ThyPentacle
>
>
>
>You are very welcome! You still don't have Kira from "The Surgeon"

>movies are a film series just like the James Bond or Frankenstein or
>Tarzan movies. They're not a serial, they're not a saga.
>
>-- Rory
>
>***I beg to differ. Paul Dehn was the primary architect of the post-
>PLANET sequels. Granted, he hadn't thought to write ESCAPE when he was
>writing PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED (i.e. BENEATH), but as he
>continued on, writing ESCAPE and then CONQUEST and the early version
>of BATTLE, he gave the "series" a connective thread that any student
>of mythic literature should be able to appreciate--and that
>"connective thread" is the character CAESAR.
>The 4 film sequels--all told--contain the pattern of an epic saga of
>the quintessential epic hero, the son of Zira and Cornelius. The
>traits this pattern follows are easily compared with prior bearers of
>the "heroic pattern".
>1.) The Hero has a miraculous conception: Caesar/Baby Milo is
>conceived in the Future (in 3955), chronologically AFTER his birth in
>1973; the BATTLE Lawgiver preaches that he had been "sent by God" in
>order to save his people; compare this to the "mission" given to

>Jesus, the divine role Aeneas was to play (in Virgil's AENEID), etc.
>We know that Zira was pregnant during BENEATH, because she
>specifically mentions that "at least OUR CHILD, WHEN HE'S BORN, won't
>be breast-fed on bile!"
>2.) The Hero would have an endangered life before/during/after the
>time of his birth: compare the attempts on his life by Dr. Hasslein,
>etc. with those against Moses and Jesus, and against Zeus in Greek
>myth.
>3.) When the Hero "comes of age", he fulfils the purpose of his
>"advent"--to be a "savior" to his people. EVERY epic hero accomplishes
>this.
>4.) The Hero undergoes a symbolic/literal "death"; Caesar is
>"electrocuted" on Kolp's order... yet he lives. Also, Caesar makes a
>Descent into the Underworld, into Hell, in BATTLE. "This is the "hell"
>our forefathers told of..." says MacDonald prior to their entering
>into the subterranean depths of the nuked-out city Breck once ruled.
>5.) The Hero communes with the soul of his Father, or an important
>Ancestor during his trip to the Underworld, in order to learn about
>the Fate of his people; think of Aeneas seeing the soul of his father
>Anchises in Book VI of the AENEID and seeing the procession of the
>future Emperors of Rome (culminating in Augustus), or Jesus going to
>"the right hand of the Father" after his Death. In BATTLE, Dehn has
>Caesar ingeniously descending into a sci-fi version of "hell", and
>learning about the fate of the world from the Voices of his deceased
>Mother and Father (their "ghosts" can actually impart Knowledge to
>him).
>
>Paul Dehn was not just a screenwriter. He was also a poet (I have yet
>to read any of his poetry--his works are out of print, dammit!). As a
>poet, Dehn knew enough about the ancient pattern of the Epic to enfuse
>it into his PLANET sequels.
>The PLANET OF THE APES movies IS a Saga. The Epic story of Caesar (re-
>told some seven centuries after the fact by a "Lawgiver") is the glue
>that holds it all together.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melkor [melkor@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 6:18
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Caesar the Saviour
>
>
>
> Great post Patrick! In the past I've always agreed with Rory instead of
> Patrick, but this time I agree (!!) with nearly everything Patrick says.
> I have said before that I think Caesar was meant to be a Christ
> like figure
> who purpose was to save the earth. By saving us from Aldo's original sin
> he literally saves the earth itself and everyone on it. I see lots of
> parallels with Caesar and Christ, but Patrick has pointed out things
> I hadn't noticed before, like Caesars "death" and resurrection in
> CONQUEST.
>
> One things I would like to point out in ESCAPE is that three of
> the characters
> (Amando, Dr. Hasslein, and the President) openly wonder whether they are
> doing God's will or not in relation to Caesar. The President also wonders
> if history will compare him with Herod.
>
> I also see the apes movies as an "epic saga", and not just a film series
> like James Bond. That is, the story as a whole is much greater than the
> sum of the individual stories. There is a lot more going on in the five
> movies than the casual viewer realizes. Compare POTA to
> Gulliver's Travels,
> Babylon 5, or Animal Farm, not Tarzan or Frankenstein.
>
> >movies are a film series just like the James Bond or Frankenstein or
> >Tarzan movies. They're not a serial, they're not a saga.
> >
> >-- Rory
> >
> >***I beg to differ. Paul Dehn was the primary architect of the post-
> >PLANET sequels. Granted, he hadn't thought to write ESCAPE when he was
> >writing PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED (i.e. BENEATH), but as he
> >continued on, writing ESCAPE and then CONQUEST and the early version
> >of BATTLE, he gave the "series" a connective thread that any student
> >of mythic literature should be able to appreciate--and that
> >"connective thread" is the character CAESAR.
> >The 4 film sequels--all told--contain the pattern of an epic saga of
> >the quintessential epic hero, the son of Zira and Cornelius. The
> >traits this pattern follows are easily compared with prior bearers of
> >the "heroic pattern".
> >1.) The Hero has a miraculous conception: Caesar/Baby Milo is
> >conceived in the Future (in 3955), chronologically AFTER his birth in
> >1973; the BATTLE Lawgiver preaches that he had been "sent by God" in
> >order to save his people; compare this to the "mission" given to
>
> Notice that the Lawgiver doesn't say God sent the "apes" a saviour.
> He says that God sent the "world" a saviour. Which was literally what
> he saved. Caesar's purpose was to save not just the apes but the
> humans too.
>
> -Tom
>
>
> >Jesus, the divine role Aeneas was to play (in Virgil's AENEID), etc.
> >We know that Zira was pregnant during BENEATH, because she
> >specifically mentions that "at least OUR CHILD, WHEN HE'S BORN, won't
> >be breast-fed on bile!"
> >2.) The Hero would have an endangered life before/during/after the
> >time of his birth: compare the attempts on his life by Dr. Hasslein,
> >etc. with those against Moses and Jesus, and against Zeus in Greek
> >myth.
> >3.) When the Hero "comes of age", he fulfils the purpose of his
> >"advent"--to be a "savior" to his people. EVERY epic hero accomplishes
> >this.
> >4.) The Hero undergoes a symbolic/literal "death"; Caesar is
> >"electrocuted" on Kolp's order... yet he lives. Also, Caesar makes a
> >Descent into the Underworld, into Hell, in BATTLE. "This is the "hell"
> >our forefathers told of..." says MacDonald prior to their entering
> >into the subterranean depths of the nuked-out city Breck once ruled.
> >5.) The Hero communes with the soul of his Father, or an important
> >Ancestor during his trip to the Underworld, in order to learn about
> >the Fate of his people; think of Aeneas seeing the soul of his father
> >Anchises in Book VI of the AENEID and seeing the procession of the
> >future Emperors of Rome (culminating in Augustus), or Jesus going to
> >"the right hand of the Father" after his Death. In BATTLE, Dehn has
> >Caesar ingeniously descending into a sci-fi version of "hell", and
> >learning about the fate of the world from the Voices of his deceased
> >Mother and Father (their "ghosts" can actually impart Knowledge to
> >him).
> >
> >Paul Dehn was not just a screenwriter. He was also a poet (I have yet
> >to read any of his poetry--his works are out of print, dammit!). As a
> >poet, Dehn knew enough about the ancient pattern of the Epic to enfuse
> >it into his PLANET sequels.
> >The PLANET OF THE APES movies IS a Saga. The Epic story of Caesar (re-
> >told some seven centuries after the fact by a "Lawgiver") is the glue
> >that holds it all together.
>
>

>What area was Cornelius' map in Planet?
>Responses
>Choices Votes % 5 replies
>New York/New Jersey in 2000 years 4 80.00%
>Chesapeake Bay/Virginia in 2000 years 0 0.00%
>Gotham City 1 20.00%