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I still reckon this is the best TV series ever

Yeah, the Outer Limits was pretty good too.

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I think if we take it a category (or a sub-category) at a time and I
emphasise links and other priorities on the actual POTA stuff then just make
mention of related, it should be OK.

It is going rather slowly though, kiddies, so shall I fill in the gaps?

SOUND

Vinyl - Talking Books

45s with acompanying colour comics to read along

Planet of the Apes (Power Records)
Beneath the Planet of the Apes (Power Records)
Escape form the Planet of the Apes (Power Records)
Battle for the Planet of the Apes (Power Records)

45s without acompanying comics

Dawn of the Tree People
Mountain of the Delphi
Battle of Two Worlds

Vinyl - Stories

33 1/3 records

Planet of the Apes (Power Records #8147) - Side 1: Planet of the Apes
,Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Side 2: Escape form the Planet of the
Apes, Battle for the Planet of the Apes.

Same as the 45s but without the annoying "ping" telling you to turn the
page.

Planet of the Apes (Power Records #8148) - Side 1: Mountain of the Delphi,
Dawn of the Tree People. Side 2: Battle of Two Worlds, Volcano.

Vinyl - Soundtrack

Planet of the Apes (1968, Sound Project 3, New York)

Themes form "Star Trek" and "the Planet of the Apes" (1975, Wonderland
Records, New York)

Come on people, help me fill in these gaps and the titles below. Or do you
want to argue about which way Zaius is holding the map?


CD - Soundtracks

VISION

8mm

View Master

Video

DVD

>> Actually, I think just creating the definitive PotA collectables database

will be enough to keep your hands full for some time, so the above items are
probably a bad idea.

Alan

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What's the name of the hour long episode?

Michael



It's called "Valley of the Shadow" and it first aired on January 17, 1963.  The '63-'64 season of TZ were hour-long episodes.  James Whitmore did one.  McDowall's episode was first aired on March 25, 1960.  They're both on Vol. 24 of the TZ DVDs.  It's the only volume I've bought since I think I've seen every episode of TZ at least five times.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/15/02 6:34:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Vinyl - Soundtrack

Planet of the Apes (1968, Sound Project 3, New York)

You forgot the BENEATH soundtrack LP (1970, Bell Records)<.html

.htmlJust in case any of you haven't ever read this.....  READ IT!

Click here: Rod Serling's Planet of the Apes script metamorphosis

-- Rory<.html

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Hey Michael,
You didn't say if you wanted pics to go with your lists. Here's a few in
your first category to get you started:

THE APES GO CLASSIC 30th Anniversary Marathon AMC promo cassette;
Promotional cassette sent out by AMC featuring 7 soundbites from PLANET.

THE APES SHUFFLE ( Theme from Planet of the Apes TV series) 7 inch promo
vinyl.
Promotional copy, features same track on both sides.

BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES radio spots. 7 inch 33 1/3
features a 60 second and 30 second radio ad for the original theatrical
release.

VIEW-MASTER PACK, REGULAR;
U.S copy of standard version.

VIEW-MASTER PACK, TALKING;
U.S copy of talking view-master pack.

VIEW-MASTER, FRENCH;
packaged like a 7 inch vinyl record.

VIEW-MASTER, GERMAN
Illustrated blister card packaging

Let me know if this is the kind of stuff you want and if you are after pics
of anything particular that you don't have in your own collection.
Best,
KEN

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While I'm at it, here's the pic of the notorious Radio pendant ( one of the
Holy Grails of ape collecting ) that was on Ebay a few years back
Best,
KEN

On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 07:24 AM, Rich Handley wrote:

>> From: "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@...>
>> Subject: Re: Collectibles - Recordings
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2002, at 09:09 PM, Haristas@... wrote:
>>> I have the first four episodes of Return to the Planet of the Apes on
>>> 16mm film. Apparently, that's how they were supplied to some (most?)
>>> of
>>> the local television stations. If you can find them and afford them,
>>> all
>>> of the movies can be obtained in 35mm format.
>> If I bought the 35mm prints, I'd never run them. I have the VHS tapes,
>> the laserdiscs and the DVDs and they can all be replaced easily if
>> they're damaged. I'd love to have the cartoons on DVD, but I doubt it
>> will ever happen.
>
> I think there's some confusion -- Return to the Planet of the Apes IS
> the
> cartoon series, and it was never released on laserdisc or DVD. :)

Sorry, my reply should have been divided into two paragraphs so it
wouldn't confuse you. :)

ABMAC

OK, it doesn't look like "Apes 2" will be ready in time for 2003. Will it
be 2004? Two franchises have reared their heads for Fox's affections that
year. Chris Carter says the next "X-Files" movie might materialize then.
And now it looks like Fox is going full steam ahead on "Aliens vs.
Predator". They had a script that I heard they didn't like because it was
too much like the comic books. Now they are high on doing one more like the
video games. Well duh! Any moron knows the video game is better than the
comics. Right? Anyway, Fox is obviously bitter that "Moulin Rouge" lost the
Oscar, so they're preparing to make movies that are full of such passion,
such truth, that they will not be denied! Let's hope "Apes 2" doesn't get
lost in the shuffle. It deserves a chance for an Oscar too. Etc. - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 2:44 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Collectibles - Recordings - Vinyl


> I think if we take it a category (or a sub-category) at a time and I
> emphasise links and other priorities on the actual POTA stuff then just
make
> mention of related, it should be OK.
>
> It is going rather slowly though, kiddies, so shall I fill in the gaps?
>
> SOUND
>
> Vinyl - Talking Books
>
> 45s with acompanying colour comics to read along
>
> Planet of the Apes (Power Records)
> Beneath the Planet of the Apes (Power Records)
> Escape form the Planet of the Apes (Power Records)
> Battle for the Planet of the Apes (Power Records)
>
> 45s without acompanying comics
>
> Dawn of the Tree People
> Mountain of the Delphi
> Battle of Two Worlds
>
> Vinyl - Stories
>
> 33 1/3 records
>
> Planet of the Apes (Power Records #8147) - Side 1: Planet of the Apes
> ,Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Side 2: Escape form the Planet of the
> Apes, Battle for the Planet of the Apes.
>
> Same as the 45s but without the annoying "ping" telling you to turn the
> page.
>
> Planet of the Apes (Power Records #8148) - Side 1: Mountain of the Delphi,
> Dawn of the Tree People. Side 2: Battle of Two Worlds, Volcano.
>
> Vinyl - Soundtrack
>
> Planet of the Apes (1968, Sound Project 3, New York)
>
> Themes form "Star Trek" and "the Planet of the Apes" (1975, Wonderland
> Records, New York)
>
> Come on people, help me fill in these gaps and the titles below. Or do
you
> want to argue about which way Zaius is holding the map?
>
>
> CD - Soundtracks
>
> VISION
>
> 8mm
>
> View Master
>
> Video
>
> DVD
>
> >> Actually, I think just creating the definitive PotA collectables
database
> will be enough to keep your hands full for some time, so the above items
are
> probably a bad idea.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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While I'm at it, here's the pic of the notorious Radio pendant ( one of the
Holy Grails of ape collecting ) that was on Ebay a few years back

That's the coolest ever!
How much does one of those go for?

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While I'm at it, here's the pic of the notorious Radio pendant ( one of the
Holy Grails of ape collecting ) that was on Ebay a few years back

That's the coolest ever!
How much does one of those go for?

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While I'm at it, here's the pic of the notorious Radio pendant ( one of the
Holy Grails of ape collecting ) that was on Ebay a few years back

That's the coolest ever!
How much does one of those go for?

I've only ever seen it once, on Ebay. That particular one was a part of a lot that had some other not so common items in it ( like a bolo tie). From memory, I think the whole lot went for around $600-$700. More than I could afford at the time, that's for sure. I think That Joe Far / Farrell guy bought it. but I could be wrong.

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It is coming along but I still need input.

Ok I'm probably way behind on this but I noticed a few weeks ago when
I was using the movie for it's dialogue (which is always great I must
add) that there seems to be a new mistake. I'm well aware of some of
the others but has anyone noticed what appears to be a mistake in
the back ground when Taylor and Landon are having there discussion
about their personality types. Any guesses?

Brent

"Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> CD - Soundtracks

Planet (Project 10)
Planet (Intrada)
Planet + Escape (Varese)
Planet (mid-price re-release from last summer - can't remember which
label)
Beneath (Film Score Monthly)
Conquest/Battle + TV theme (Film Score Monthly)

I assume we are only talking about legit releases? I know of at least
two bootlegs of the Escape soundtrack (both in mono and only worth
buying for the "Shopping" track).

> Video

In the UK, the ones I know of are (in order of release) the original
five films on sell-through, a widescreen release of the original, a
widescreen re-release of the original, and then all the same time the
box sets (widescreen and non-widescreen) and the original on its own
(again I think it was re-released both widescreen and non-widescreen).

More details of these can be obtained if necessary.

And let's not forget your good Aussie TV series box sets too!

> DVD

In the UK (probably much the same as US) I know of the original on its
own and the Evolution boxset including Behind documentary (probably
worth mentioning this in addition to the US release as it is
anamorphic and I think has different packaging too).

Exclusive to the US we obviously have the TV series set and the 2-disc
edition of Behind. Talking of which, if anyone is interested, I picked
up the 2-disc Behind the PotA recently and although it is NTSC, it is
region-free.

This is a great idea, Michael. I know a lot of this sort of info has
been available on the Ape Chronicles website (I've not been there in a
while but that's probably a good starting point for information) but a
dedicated online resource for Ape collectors would be fantastic.

Alan

"Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> I have never seen any of the hour-longs.

That's a shame - "He's Alive" (with a young Dennis Hopper) is one of
the best hours of TV I've ever seen. If I remember correctly there was
one ("The Thirty Fathom Grave" or something like that?) which could
easily have been done in a 25-minute slot but was gripping stuff all
the same.

Love the Christmas episodes too - it might be traditional to watch
"It's a Wonderful Life" at Christmas but I always make a point of
digging out TZ's "Night of the Meek" and "The Changing of the Guard"
every Christmas too!

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> > Planet of the Apes (1968, Sound Project 3, New York)
> >
>
> You forgot the BENEATH soundtrack LP (1970, Bell Records)

The original soundtrack was also re-released on vinyl in Japan a few
years back - red cover with a new picture on it (the logo accompanied
by a few characters). It pops up on eBay sometimes.

Alan

.htmlIn a message dated 4/16/02 7:48:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

The original soundtrack was also re-released on vinyl in Japan a few
years back - red cover with a new picture on it (the logo accompanied
by a few characters). It pops up on eBay sometimes.

Alan

I've never seen that.  I have a Japanese laserdisc of PLANET though.  I never got the boxed set of all the movies that was released in Japan.  Alex has that.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/16/02 7:43:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

> CD - Soundtracks

Planet (Project 10)
Planet (Intrada)
Planet + Escape (Varese)
Planet (mid-price re-release from last summer - can't remember which
label)
Beneath (Film Score Monthly)
Conquest/Battle + TV theme (Film Score Monthly)

PLANET's soundtrack was originally released on LP in 1968 by Project 3 Records, not Project 10.   Project 3 reissued the album well into the late seventies.  I think there was also an 8-track of it.  They put out a cassette and a CD in mid-eighties, but by that time the sound quality was dated -- lots of hiss.  Intrada did their CD remastering, with "The Hunt" cue added, in 1992.  Project 3 also re-released their CD of the original LP with slightly improved sound in 1992.  Then, Varese Sarabande released the entire score on CD in 1997 (Oh, what a happy time that was!).  Then, in 2001 this company called Masters releases the original LP cues plus "The Hunt" cue on a cheap CD only with the cues in proper order and a few photos from the LP cover.  Very strange.

-- Rory  <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/16/02 7:56:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brentg@... writes:

Ok I'm probably way behind on this but I noticed a few weeks ago when
I was using the movie for it's dialogue (which is always great I must
add) that there seems to be a new mistake. I'm well aware of some of
the others but has anyone noticed what appears to be a mistake in
the back ground when Taylor and Landon are having there discussion
about their personality types. Any guesses?

Brent

What?  Footprints in the sand?   Yeah, I've noticed that plus a lot more.  Notice when they are sliding down the hill that you can see the tracks at the bottom where they did it on a previous take.  Also, the shadow of the camera falls on either Dodge's or Landon's back.  There's loads of mistakes in PLANET.

-- Rory<.html

I assume you're talking about the helicopter that flys by in the
background. Can't believe it took you so long to spot that.

--- In pota@y..., "brentdrew2002" <brentg@g...> wrote:
> Ok I'm probably way behind on this but I noticed a few weeks ago
when
> I was using the movie for it's dialogue (which is always great I
must
> add) that there seems to be a new mistake. I'm well aware of some
of
> the others but has anyone noticed what appears to be a mistake in
> the back ground when Taylor and Landon are having there discussion
> about their personality types. Any guesses?
>
> Brent

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And then some....

PLANET OF THE APES ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK. Project. Gatefold cover w/ liner
notes by Charlton Heston.

BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK. Amos/ Bell Records. Also
features dialogue.

PLANET OF THE APES SOUNDTRACK 1997 JAPANESE RELEASE. Verese Sarabande
Recordings.

THEME FROM STAR TREK/ THEME FROM PLANET OF THE APES ( TV series) LP. 1975
Wonderland Records.
Features three POTA themed tracks including "Apes Shuffle" by Lalo
Schiffrin.

PLANET OF THE APES 4 EXCITING STORIES. 1974 Power Records.Features 4 Movie
adaptations.

PLANET OF THE APES 4 EXCITING NEW STORIES. 1974 Power Records. Features four
stories based on the TV series charecters.

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Michael,
Some more pics for your video/ recordings list:

PLANET OF THE APES RCA SelectaVision VideoDisc. Not sure of the year late
70's early 80's maybe?

PLANET OF THE APES 30TH ANNIVERSARY LASER DISC. ( 1998 ) TCFHE

PLANET OF THE APES LASER DISC ( 1992 FOXVIDEO). Gatefold cover.

BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES LASER DISC (1992 FOXVIDEO)

ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES LASER DISC ( 1992 FOXVIDEO). Gatefold
cover.

CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES LASER DISC ( 1992 FOXVIDEO). Gatefold
cover.
* For some reason, Battle wasn't released on laser disc at this time.

PLANET OF THE APES 5 LASER DISC SET FROM JAPAN
Includes all 5 movies in widescreen including the extended version of
Battle. Comes with booklet.

Ok I'm probably way late with this but has anyone spotted what looks
like a mistake in the background when Taylor and Landon are having
their discusion about their personality types?

Brent

I will include bootlegs, just not back yard efforts (yes, it is VERY hard to
differentiate between them at times...).

Please list the bootlegs too, and any pictures would be good.

I just spoke to Ken and he has decided he will just send the pictures to ME
from now on. Might be a good idea if we all do this. I will of course make
them available to the group through the hyperlinks.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2002 8:26
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Collectibles - Recordings - Vinyl
>
>
> "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
> > CD - Soundtracks
>
> Planet (Project 10)
> Planet (Intrada)
> Planet + Escape (Varese)
> Planet (mid-price re-release from last summer - can't remember which
> label)
> Beneath (Film Score Monthly)
> Conquest/Battle + TV theme (Film Score Monthly)
>
> I assume we are only talking about legit releases? I know of at least
> two bootlegs of the Escape soundtrack (both in mono and only worth
> buying for the "Shopping" track).
>
> > Video
>
> In the UK, the ones I know of are (in order of release) the original
> five films on sell-through, a widescreen release of the original, a
> widescreen re-release of the original, and then all the same time the
> box sets (widescreen and non-widescreen) and the original on its own
> (again I think it was re-released both widescreen and non-widescreen).
>
> More details of these can be obtained if necessary.
>
> And let's not forget your good Aussie TV series box sets too!
>
> > DVD
>
> In the UK (probably much the same as US) I know of the original on its
> own and the Evolution boxset including Behind documentary (probably
> worth mentioning this in addition to the US release as it is
> anamorphic and I think has different packaging too).
>
> Exclusive to the US we obviously have the TV series set and the 2-disc
> edition of Behind. Talking of which, if anyone is interested, I picked
> up the 2-disc Behind the PotA recently and although it is NTSC, it is
> region-free.
>
> This is a great idea, Michael. I know a lot of this sort of info has
> been available on the Ape Chronicles website (I've not been there in a
> while but that's probably a good starting point for information) but a
> dedicated online resource for Ape collectors would be fantastic.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 4/17/02 12:39:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:

PLANET OF THE APES RCA SelectaVision VideoDisc. Not sure of the year late
70's early 80's maybe?

I seem to recall it was somewhere around 1982.

-- Rory<.html

James--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> James...what helecopter...which scene?

I've never noticed it?
And to answer my quiz no... it's not the helecopter I'm refering to.
Brent

I assume you're talking about the helicopter that flys by in the

> background. Can't believe it took you so long to spot that.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "brentdrew2002" <brentg@g...> wrote:
> > Ok I'm probably way behind on this but I noticed a few weeks ago
> when
> > I was using the movie for it's dialogue (which is always great I
> must
> > add) that there seems to be a new mistake. I'm well aware of some
> of
> > the others but has anyone noticed what appears to be a mistake in
> > the back ground when Taylor and Landon are having there

discussion

> > about their personality types. Any guesses?
> >
> > Brent

.htmlIn a message dated 4/16/02 11:37:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I assume you're talking about the helicopter that flys by in the
background. Can't believe it took you so long to spot that.

Well, I went and checked where I think you're talking about and I see NO helicopter.  So, where exactly is this?

-- Rory<.html

.html In a message dated 4/16/02 7:43:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

> CD - Soundtracks

Planet (Project 10)
Planet (Intrada)
Planet + Escape (Varese)
Planet (mid-price re-release from last summer - can't remember which
label)
Beneath (Film Score Monthly)
Conquest/Battle + TV theme (Film Score Monthly)

PLANET's soundtrack was originally released on LP in 1968 by Project 3 Records, not Project 10.   Project 3 reissued the album well into the late seventies.  I think there was also an 8-track of it.  They put out a cassette and a CD in mid-eighties, but by that time the sound quality was dated -- lots of hiss.  Intrada did their CD remastering, with "The Hunt" cue added, in 1992.  Project 3 also re-released their CD of the original LP with slightly improved sound in 1992.  Then, Varese Sarabande released the entire score on CD in 1997 (Oh, what a happy time that was!).  Then, in 2001 this company called Masters releases the original LP cues plus "The Hunt" cue on a cheap CD only with the cues in proper order and a few photos from the LP cover.  Very strange.

-- Rory 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
<.html

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

>You are really beginning to worry me Patrick.

>If you can't understand why it is offensive that you have to rename my country then there is no hope for you. How you therefore conclude that I might "prefer to live under racist, fascist, totalitarian dictatorial rule" from my preference to keep my county's name suggests a total lack of rationality and reason on your behalf. While I understand this renaming has come from fondness, please compare it to our (humans') fondness for chimps leading to taking them away from their environments and dressing them up as humans. Yes this was done in innocence with all good intentions but it was not a good thing to do!
>And no Patrick, actually Heaven forbid if somebody ever got elected to office whose agenda was to rename countries "New America"! How about calling Russia "Anti America" and calling Israel "Hates America". Anyway, you know what I'm saying, I hope, so let's just leave it.

> Michael

*** Michael... you really need to take a stress pill.
First off, you seem to have the erroneous belief that I myself--if
"elected to office"--would advocate renaming your continent/country of
Australia as "New America". I myself (if I somehow had the power and/
or the authority to do it) would NOT do so. You are mistaking my
hypothetical/theoretical/fictional scenario (to explain the Farrow's
Book detail, etc.) involving the actions of FICTITIOUS PEOPLE with my
own predilections. Whether you like it or not, however, it IS human
nature for people who migrate from one place to another (whether
willingly or through necessity) to establish new homes with FAMILIAR
NAMES. That is why, if you'll bother to look in a gazetteer in any
common atlas, you'll find a huge number of places called "New..."
something-or-other (or "Nova ---", or "Neu ---", etc.). NEW Amsterdam
(a.k.a. NEW York), NEW Brunswick, NEW England, NOVA Scotia, etc. Even
the reference to the "New Jerusalem" in the book of Revelation
involves this tendency.
London was once known as "Nova Troia" (New Troy), since it was
"established" (at least legendarily) by a descendant of the Trojans
who fled with Aeneas following the Trojan Horse incident (Geoffrey of
Monmouth, in his "History of the Kings of Britain", says that the
island got its name from Brutus, a grandson--I think--of Aeneas).
In the late 1930's, Nazi Germany sent an expedition to Antarctica and
claimed it for the Third Reich; to this day there are maps (such as
the latest National Geographic map from last month) showing Queen Maud
Land with its alternate name of "Neu Schwabenland" ("Schwabenland"
being both the name of the ship that went there and from which
airplanes were launched to over-fly the continent, AND the province of
Germany more commonly known as "Swabia").

Let me put this another way: if, instead, I were to write a wholly
original (i.e. non-POTA) novel involving the nuclear destruction of
nearly every continent EXCEPT for North America, and a subsequent
"pole-shift" incident which shifts that continent into the SOUTHERN
hemisphere, and a group of cultured survivors of that nuclear
catastrophe who happened to hail from Australia (before their
continent was blasted into inhabitability and "pole-shifted" into the
northern hemisphere)--or, an Australia-built space station--then it
would seem logical to me that those Aussie scientists would return to
that severely-altered Earth... but they would NOT go back "home"
(since the radioactivity would kill them). Rather, they would descend
to the continent that ONCE was properly named "North America" when it
was in the northern hemisphere... but now that it has been shifted
into the southern hemisphere, it should logically have a name that
reflects that "southerly" position--and what better name for these
survivors from Australia to give it than "New Australia"? It wouldn't
do for them to call it just "America" (since American civilization had
been destroyed, not from nukes but from the "natural disasters" of the
Pole Shift: massive Flooding, Volcanic activity, etc.); it wouldn't do
for them to call it "Australia", since their uninhabitable former home
would still bear that name in their hearts. Since the name "Australia"
means "southern" (from the Latin "australis"), then this now-southern-
hemisphere-dwelling continent (which formerly was "North America")
might very well be called "New Australia". These "New Australians"
would found their own cities, giving them names like "New Perth", "New
Sydney", "New Canberra", "New Melbourne", etc. And IF there were any
savage survivors of the once-United States of America ekeing out a
precarious existence in the wilds, then these cultured Aussies would
probably do what they could to help those poor bastards who weren't
lucky enough to be in a safe, orbiting space station during the
Cataclysm.

The scenario I'm using for my mega-POTA epic is, please remember,
entirely FICTIONAL. I'm not advocating that the REAL Australia be
renamed "New America", or any other such thing. Fictional characters
in my novel-in-progress are the ones who do so, for reasons that make
sense historically.
And you misunderstood my earlier posting when you accuse me of
concluding that you might "prefer to live under racist, fascist,
totalitarian dictatorial rule" from your preference to keep your
country's name, etc.: I never suggested any such thing. My reference
to "racist, fascist, totalitarian dictatorial rule" was in regards to
the potential OTHER outcome of World War Two (i.e. if the Nazis and
the Japanese had won, instead of the Allies). IF the Nazis (et al.)
had won WW2, then the USA, the Brits, AND the Australians would have
been forced to endure rulership that was racist, fascist, totalitarian
and dictatorial. If not for the American development of the Atomic
bomb BEFORE either the Germans or the Japanese were able to, then we
might very well be living in such a horrific world--that is, if they
would allow us to live.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

>Stop comparing yourself to Shakespeare, please!
>If you want to throw stones, expect to get a few back and hope you don't live in a glass house.
>Any idiot can spell. You just press "Spell Check" on the computer.
>Spelling is all about communicating and you knew exactly what James was saying. You were just being a bitch.

> Michael

*** 1.) I wasn't "comparing" myself to Shakespeare; I was pointing out
the fact that Shakespeare coined a boatload of words that NOW are
commonplace words--words which were NEVER used before he used them
first. I have no illusions that "unflub" will become part of the
"common parlance" of English-speaking peoples the world over.
2.) I don't have the foggiest notion what you're talking about with
this "throw stones" and "glass house" allegation. If you mean what I
think you mean, then no, I don't have a problem with "james" (or you,
or Rory, or anybody) disagreeing with me over any detail of the POTA
saga/movies/whatever. We are all free to disagree with each other.
However, when someone states something that I think is blatantly
disproven by the evidence, then I reserve the right to point that out.
3.) "Any idiot can spell," you say, either inferring that I consider
"james" (or, perhaps, YOU, or Rory) to be an "idiot", or that YOU
consider ME to be an idiot. For the record, I do NOT consider anybody
on this Board to be an "idiot"--though I do think that sometimes some
of the folks who post here are occasionally rude and/or foolish (and
I'm SURE some of them think the same about me!). Also, I've found that
with the exception of people with reading disorders (like dyslexia),
people who tend to do a LOT of reading also tend to make fewer
mistakes in spelling. Either that, or they spend WAY too much time on
the Internet: the Net is a wonderful invention, but so many people
have a proliferation of misspellings on their own websites and do NOT
bother to verify the spelling on them, so that this lack of editorship
might give the false impression to a Net-surfer that a word (such as
"convoluted") might be spelled a certain way (i.e. "conveluted").
I got my degree in English, Michael, so I tend to have a 'pet-peeve'
about atrocious spelling. Doesn't it bother YOU that so much rotten
spelling proliferates out there? The decline in academic standards is
producing an entire generation of near-illiterates, and though this
may be a snowballing trend I feel it is my duty to try to keep it from
becoming an avalanch. Hell, maybe it's too late for that, but what-
the-f*ck!
By the way, where exactly IS the "Spell Check" button? There isn't one
on the keyboard at the computer cluster where I'm typing this, and I
don't see any "Spell Check" function on this "Post" page.
Also by the way: my last response to "james" was to TOTALLY AGREE with
him regarding the "19th Century level of civilization" of the Apes.
How, pray tell, does that make me a "bitch"?

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002

If you don't have a problem with me then why do you put my name in
quotes?

--- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
wrote:

> *** 1.) I wasn't "comparing" myself to Shakespeare; I was pointing

out

> the fact that Shakespeare coined a boatload of words that NOW are
> commonplace words--words which were NEVER used before he used them
> first. I have no illusions that "unflub" will become part of the
> "common parlance" of English-speaking peoples the world over.
> 2.) I don't have the foggiest notion what you're talking about with
> this "throw stones" and "glass house" allegation. If you mean what

I

> think you mean, then no, I don't have a problem with "james" (or

you,

> or Rory, or anybody) disagreeing with me over any detail of the

POTA

> saga/movies/whatever. We are all free to disagree with each other.
> However, when someone states something that I think is blatantly
> disproven by the evidence, then I reserve the right to point that

out.

> 3.) "Any idiot can spell," you say, either inferring that I

consider

> "james" (or, perhaps, YOU, or Rory) to be an "idiot", or that YOU
> consider ME to be an idiot. For the record, I do NOT consider

anybody

> on this Board to be an "idiot"--though I do think that sometimes

some

> of the folks who post here are occasionally rude and/or foolish

(and

> I'm SURE some of them think the same about me!). Also, I've found

that

> with the exception of people with reading disorders (like

dyslexia),

> people who tend to do a LOT of reading also tend to make fewer
> mistakes in spelling. Either that, or they spend WAY too much time

on

> the Internet: the Net is a wonderful invention, but so many people
> have a proliferation of misspellings on their own websites and do

NOT

> bother to verify the spelling on them, so that this lack of

editorship

> might give the false impression to a Net-surfer that a word (such

as

> "convoluted") might be spelled a certain way (i.e. "conveluted").
> I got my degree in English, Michael, so I tend to have a 'pet-

peeve'

> about atrocious spelling. Doesn't it bother YOU that so much rotten
> spelling proliferates out there? The decline in academic standards

is

> producing an entire generation of near-illiterates, and though this
> may be a snowballing trend I feel it is my duty to try to keep it

from

> becoming an avalanch. Hell, maybe it's too late for that, but what-
> the-f*ck!
> By the way, where exactly IS the "Spell Check" button? There isn't

one

> on the keyboard at the computer cluster where I'm typing this, and

I

> don't see any "Spell Check" function on this "Post" page.
> Also by the way: my last response to "james" was to TOTALLY AGREE

with

> him regarding the "19th Century level of civilization" of the Apes.
> How, pray tell, does that make me a "bitch"?
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002

--- In pota@y..., "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:

> "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
>*** Cut 'em some slack, Alan! Their budget didn't allow them to
>construct another simian city ("Central City" this time) just to
>provide one single establishing shot.

>It wasn't the simian city I was talking about - it was the ruins of the human city. Same ruins, but they're supposed to represent both Oakland and San Francisco.

***You mentioned "establishing shot" (I think), so I naturally thought
of that "establishing shot" from the first episode (right before the
first scene with Galen and Zaius), showing "Central City"--using
footage from PLANET (the movie). The "ruins" you're talking about
(i.e. both Oakland and San Francisco) were not "establishing shots"--
they were sets in which our heroes did a lot of running around,
getting chased by Urko and his gorillas.

>***Is this, too, a "flub"? It's not
>one that matters any to me, let's put it that way.
>Hell, in that godawful flick "The Ice Pirates" they re-use stock
>footage of the domed city from "Logan's Run", but that don't mean it >HAS to be the same place!

>And that's my point. They use the same ruins simply because of budgetary constrictions. If they'd had the money I'm sure they would have had Alan and Pete stumbling across the ruins of the Golden Gate Bridge or something but since they didn't, we have to make do with the "New York 2503" picture. The picture is about as significant as the previously mentioned ruins - the point is merely to illustrate that we are on Earth, nothing more.

*** How much money would it have cost them to label the picture in
Farrow's book "Miami, 2503" or "Seattle, 2503", etc. Either one would
have clued Virdon and Burke in to the fact that they were back on
Earth. MY point is that IF one is to try to reconcile the TV show with
the film series, then the "New York City, 2503" picture can NOT be the
same city whose ruins we see in BENEATH--hence my elaborate scenario.

>As interesting as it can be sometimes to try and consolidate the TV series with the films, the two simply don't mesh, and I don't believe for one moment that the writers ever intended the series to take place in the same continuity.

*** The same can be (and HAS BEEN) said about the relation of BENEATH
to PLANET. The "mistakes" in BENEATH do not easily reconcile with the
"canon" established in the first film (for example: in PLANET, it is
established that Taylor is on an interstellar mission to a planet 320
lightyears away, which he will reach after the passage of centuries
back on Earth due to Time Dilation "according to Dr. Hasslein's theory
of Time in a vehicle travelling nearly the speed of light"; however,
in BENEATH, this is ignored, and Brent and his "Skipper" are implied
to have been sent out by ANSA, following Taylor's trajectory, in order
to find that "lost" ship; this MAJOR flub has resulted in an elaborate
"unflubbing" of mine that has not found favor with some of the folks
who are fans of the POTA saga, yet which DOES explain--to my
satisfaction--how the details in BOTH of these movies (and the other
3, and the TV show) can be "correct"). Or, take the competing "dates":
3978 vs. 3955. Either the former is the "correct" date, or the latter
one is... OR, if you wish to buy into my scenario, then BOTH dates
have significance, and Taylor's reading of 3978 makes sense due to
details I've hashed out in my scenario elsewhere on this Message
Board. Similarly, I prefer to keep the TV show as part of the overall
saga of POTA, reconciling divergent details whenever the need arises.

>The TV series and the film series are two entirely different universes, however much some fans would like it to be otherwise. (It's always the way - look at any other TV series based on a film and they are nearly always based on the film but not a direct spin off as such - Logan's Run, Alien Nation, etc.)

> Alan

*** "ALWAYS that way"? Or "nearly always"? If the POTA TV series had
been set in 3956 or later, then I'd agree that it absolutely couldn't
be a part of the "same universe" as the films. If the Earth is
destroyed in 3955, then nobody can land on it after that time, sure.
If you--in your own mind--prefer to think of the films and the
episodes as "different universes", then fine, go ahead. For my
purposes (i.e. the book I'm working on), I want them BOTH to be a part
of one long story, so I'm bent on reconciling them.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002

--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> No I can't spell. I have dyslexia and it makes things hard sometimes.
> I use spell check when possible. But it doesn't seem to work when I
> post directly on to the board.

*** James611102, now that I know you have dyslexia (I did NOT know
this until now), I will cease to give you any grief over your
spelling. People who have dyslexia have an excuse for their mistakes,
and my "beef" is with people who do NOT have any such excuse. Or, that
is, with those who were supposed to be teaching them how to spell in
elementary school... yet didn't.
I hope you don't have any hard feelings, friend. I didn't mean to be
insensitive, and if it seemed that way, well, I apologize.

Patrick

> *** Michael... you really need to take a stress pill.

OK then please send me a few.

> First off, you seem to have the erroneous belief that I myself--if

"elected to office"--would advocate renaming your continent/country of
Australia as "New America". I myself (if I somehow had the power and/or the
authority to do it) would NOT do so. You are mistaking my
hypothetical/theoretical/fictional scenario (to explain the Farrow's Book
detail, etc.) involving the actions of FICTITIOUS PEOPLE with my own
predilections.

No, that was sarcasm.

> Whether you like it or not, however, it IS human nature for people who

migrate from one place to another (whether willingly or through necessity)
to establish new homes with FAMILIAR NAMES. That is why, if you'll bother to
look in a gazetteer in any common atlas, you'll find a huge number of places
called "New..." something-or-other (or "Nova ---", or "Neu ---", etc.). NEW
Amsterdam (a.k.a. NEW York), NEW Brunswick, NEW England, NOVA Scotia, etc.
Even the reference to the "New Jerusalem" in the book of Revelation involves
this tendency.

> London was once known as "Nova Troia" (New Troy), since it was

"established" (at least legendarily) by a descendant of the Trojans who fled
with Aeneas following the Trojan Horse incident (Geoffrey of Monmouth, in
his "History of the Kings of Britain", says that the island got its name
from Brutus, a grandson--I think--of Aeneas). In the late 1930's, Nazi
Germany sent an expedition to Antarctica and claimed it for the Third Reich;
to this day there are maps (such as the latest National Geographic map from
last month) showing Queen Maud Land with its alternate name of "Neu
Schwabenland" ("Schwabenland" being both the name of the ship that went
there and from which airplanes were launched to over-fly the continent, AND
the province of Germany more commonly known as "Swabia").

Oh, and here's a new one for you. The first name for Australia - New
Holland. Thanks for the totally useless history lesson - who are you trying
to impress? I still don't like the idea and it offends me. I am human, I
have emotions. You have touched one of these and I have let you know. I do
not expect you to change anything, just take on board what I say.

> Let me put this another way: if, instead, I were to write a wholly

original (i.e. non-POTA) novel involving the nuclear destruction of nearly
every continent EXCEPT for North America, and a subsequent "pole-shift"
incident which shifts that continent into the SOUTHERN hemisphere, and a
group of cultured survivors of that nuclear catastrophe who happened to hail
from Australia (before their continent was blasted into inhabitability and
"pole-shifted" into the northern hemisphere)--or, an Australia-built space
station--then it would seem logical to me that those Aussie scientists would
return to that severely-altered Earth... but they would NOT go back "home"
(since the radioactivity would kill them). Rather, they would descend to the
continent that ONCE was properly named "North America" when it was in the
northern hemisphere... but now that it has been shifted into the southern
hemisphere, it should logically have a name that reflects that "southerly"
position--and what better name for these survivors from Australia to give it
than "New Australia"? It wouldn't do for them to call it just "America"
(since American civilization had been destroyed, not from nukes but from the
"natural disasters" of the Pole Shift: massive Flooding, Volcanic activity,
etc.); it wouldn't do for them to call it Australia", since their
uninhabitable former home would still bear that name in their hearts. Since
the name "Australia" means "southern" (from the Latin "australis"), then
this now-southern-hemisphere-dwelling continent (which formerly was "North
America") might very well be called "New Australia". These "New Australians"
would found their own cities, giving them names like "New Perth", "New
Sydney", "New Canberra", "New Melbourne", etc. And IF there were any
savage survivors of the once-United States of America ekeing out a
precarious existence in the wilds, then these cultured Aussies would
probably do what they could to help those poor bastards who weren't lucky
enough to be in a safe, orbiting space station during the Cataclysm.

OK Patrick I know you have put a lot of thought into this.

>
> The scenario I'm using for my mega-POTA epic is, please remember, entirely

FICTIONAL. I'm not advocating that the REAL Australia be renamed "New
America", or any other such thing.

Well thanks Christ for that!

> Fictional characters in my novel-in-progress are the ones who do so, for

reasons that make sense historically. And you misunderstood my earlier
posting when you accuse me of concluding that you might "prefer to live
under racist, fascist, totalitarian dictatorial rule" from your preference
to keep your country's name, etc.: I never suggested any such thing. My
reference to "racist, fascist, totalitarian dictatorial rule" was in regards
to the potential OTHER outcome of World War Two (i.e. if the Nazis and the
Japanese had won, instead of the Allies). IF the Nazis (et al.) had won WW2,
then the USA, the Brits, AND the Australians would have been forced to
endure rulership that was racist, fascist, totalitarian and dictatorial. If
not for the American development of the Atomic bomb BEFORE either the
Germans or the Japanese were able to, then we might very well be living in
such a horrific world--that is, if they would allow us to live.

Yeah that's good Patrick

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

>Oh Patrick, that's icky! It seems to me the apes mostly have a society equivalent to the Ancient Greek/Ancient Roman era. Some modern conviences like the hoses; Eric Greene feels the hoses were added based on the hosing down of civil rights protesters in the '60's, if just subconsciously (what a hoser!). It seems unbelievable in the otherwise primitive society (they coulda just had buckets to clean the cages). But the old standby is, who knows what info survived from the humans. I see their society as a hodgepodge of whatever info survived plus their making the rest up as they go along. But the names are obviously a play on Ancient Times, I assume that's what the writers were playing on. The word "circus" could be one of those things that survived. Etc. - - Jeff

*** Icky? Maybe so, but, then again, so is the idea of skinning a
sheep just to be able to write down another scribal copy of the Book
of Isaiah (or whatever). Most of the biblical books of the Dead Sea
Scrolls were written on sheepskin (if I'm not mistaken), or at least
on SOME kind of animal skin. In PLANET and BENEATH, the Apes consider
the humans to be nothing but animals, so they wouldn't have any sense
of "ickiness" over skinning a dead human and processing his skin for
scroll material.
The Apes also have plain paper, too (that's what Taylor writes on in
the 3 scenes where he DOES write), so it's not as if the entire
industry of "writing-surfaces" is dependent upon human-skin-
harvesting. But their SCROLLS seem to be made out of more durable
material than mere paper.

In my opinion, the presence of "hoses" is not all that "modern" a
convenience. Even the ancients were able to make use of water on a
large scale (think of Roman aqueducts, etc.). All you need to get
high-pressure water is a source of water that is higher-up in altitude
than where you are at, and the ability to fashion a series of hoses
with rubber and wire (and perhaps various sorts of glues or tars to
form seals). Cornelius mentions "metallurgy" (in the "Cave" scene), so
we know that the Apes are able to smelt iron (etc.), which would
account for the valve at the end of the hose which Julius twists in
order to hose Taylor down.

Regarding "circus"--the word obviously has something to do with the
presentation of animals for the amusement of the "hoi polloi".
Evidently, in the PLANET world, there are "money-mad" apes who would
probably be willing to exploit a "talking human" for use in their
circus/menagerie. Although I do not have any subplots in my novel-in-
progress involving any ape circuses, I must admit that Rory's
wonderings about them are interesting from a satirical standpoint. It
WOULD have been amusing to see a scene involving a simian ringmaster
showcasing his amusing trained humans, "dressed-up" as if they were
Apes!

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002

(original message)

>>Before I log off for now, here's a thought: what sort of material are the Sacred Scrolls inscribed upon? If they're anything like the

scrolls of antiquity, then they could be either papyrus or vellum. But
I don't recall seeing any sheep around "Ape City"... so could it be
that the Scroll which Cornelius recites from at the end of PLANET be
made from... HUMAN SKIN?! After target practice, what happens to the
bodies of the slaughtered humans? Wouldn't the apes use their light-
colored skin as scroll-parchment material? After all, humans are only
animals to them.

>>Chew on that for awhile, folks. Gotta go.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/14/02 1:01:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:

>Before I log off for now, here's a thought: what sort of material are the Sacred Scrolls inscribed upon? If they're anything like the

scrolls of antiquity, then they could be either papyrus or vellum. But
I don't recall seeing any sheep around "Ape City"... so could it be
that the Scroll which Cornelius recites from at the end of PLANET be
made from... HUMAN SKIN?! After target practice, what happens to the
bodies of the slaughtered humans? Wouldn't the apes use their light-
colored skin as scroll-parchment material? After all, humans are only
animals to them.

>Maybe they're written on paper, but after a few decades they have to be rewritten?

Human skins? Too creepy.
-- Rory

*** Not nearly as creepy as what Helius was doing in Boulle's original
book. Cutting off the tops of humans' skulls and stimulating the brain
in order to access ancestral memories... >shudder<!!!
Remember, too, that as recently as the early 1940's the Nazis were
making lampshades out of the skins of the Jews they'd murdered in
their Death Camps. If inhuman humans could do that to other humans
(whom they considered non-human!), then is it too unbelievable to
think that a bunch of intelligent apes who've never seen a talking
human (who, besides, is NOT made "in the image of [the Apes'] God")
would make use of their skin in this way? Hell, until recently, we
made piano keys out of the tusks of elephants. Enough people came to
think of that as "creepy" and the Ivory trade has been curtailed as a
result. Imagine how Zira and Cornelius would feel--AFTER knowing that
humans once were an intelligent species--as they unrolled a scroll
made out of human skin. They would THEN feel a revulsion that they
previously would not have felt.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002

Well I got my Masters in education Patrick and it shits me to death when
people ridcule others in an attempt to inflate themselves. Excuse my
inferior interpretation if I misunderstood your intentions.

I also can't stand pseudo academics who can't carry on with a normal
conversation and bore others to death with big words and long sentences when
all they are doing is retarding the ability to communicate.

U no wot eye mean, so hoo cares?

Yoos a bitch cos I says so, that's all.

Mykul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2002 12:52
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Map Description
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> >Stop comparing yourself to Shakespeare, please!
> >If you want to throw stones, expect to get a few back and hope
> you don't live in a glass house.
> >Any idiot can spell. You just press "Spell Check" on the computer.
> >Spelling is all about communicating and you knew exactly what
> James was saying. You were just being a bitch.
>
> > Michael
>
> *** 1.) I wasn't "comparing" myself to Shakespeare; I was pointing out
> the fact that Shakespeare coined a boatload of words that NOW are
> commonplace words--words which were NEVER used before he used them
> first. I have no illusions that "unflub" will become part of the
> "common parlance" of English-speaking peoples the world over.
> 2.) I don't have the foggiest notion what you're talking about with
> this "throw stones" and "glass house" allegation. If you mean what I
> think you mean, then no, I don't have a problem with "james" (or you,
> or Rory, or anybody) disagreeing with me over any detail of the POTA
> saga/movies/whatever. We are all free to disagree with each other.
> However, when someone states something that I think is blatantly
> disproven by the evidence, then I reserve the right to point that out.
> 3.) "Any idiot can spell," you say, either inferring that I consider
> "james" (or, perhaps, YOU, or Rory) to be an "idiot", or that YOU
> consider ME to be an idiot. For the record, I do NOT consider anybody
> on this Board to be an "idiot"--though I do think that sometimes some
> of the folks who post here are occasionally rude and/or foolish (and
> I'm SURE some of them think the same about me!). Also, I've found that
> with the exception of people with reading disorders (like dyslexia),
> people who tend to do a LOT of reading also tend to make fewer
> mistakes in spelling. Either that, or they spend WAY too much time on
> the Internet: the Net is a wonderful invention, but so many people
> have a proliferation of misspellings on their own websites and do NOT
> bother to verify the spelling on them, so that this lack of editorship
> might give the false impression to a Net-surfer that a word (such as
> "convoluted") might be spelled a certain way (i.e. "conveluted").
> I got my degree in English, Michael, so I tend to have a 'pet-peeve'
> about atrocious spelling. Doesn't it bother YOU that so much rotten
> spelling proliferates out there? The decline in academic standards is
> producing an entire generation of near-illiterates, and though this
> may be a snowballing trend I feel it is my duty to try to keep it from
> becoming an avalanch. Hell, maybe it's too late for that, but what-
> the-f*ck!
> By the way, where exactly IS the "Spell Check" button? There isn't one
> on the keyboard at the computer cluster where I'm typing this, and I
> don't see any "Spell Check" function on this "Post" page.
> Also by the way: my last response to "james" was to TOTALLY AGREE with
> him regarding the "19th Century level of civilization" of the Apes.
> How, pray tell, does that make me a "bitch"?
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., thypentacle <thypentacle@y...> wrote:

>
> <snicker> :o)
>
> http://www.pseudodictionary.com/unflub
>
>
>
> ThyPentacle
>

*** You've made me famous! Or is that 'infamous'?
A friend of mine once coined the phrase "scruting the inscrutable"; he
and I always wondered why you never heard the verb "to scrute" used
anywhere, but the derived word "inscrutable" was in use. I wonder if
that'll make it into the "pseudodictionary"?!

<snack went the vorpal blade> :)

Patrick

You should try teaching a 12 year old heroin addict to spell some time
Patrick.

Then see how you react when people try to blame educators for this.

Good of you to admit your err and apologise though.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2002 13:24
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lack of intellectual maturiry
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > No I can't spell. I have dyslexia and it makes things hard sometimes.
> > I use spell check when possible. But it doesn't seem to work when I
> > post directly on to the board.
>
> *** James611102, now that I know you have dyslexia (I did NOT know
> this until now), I will cease to give you any grief over your
> spelling. People who have dyslexia have an excuse for their mistakes,
> and my "beef" is with people who do NOT have any such excuse. Or, that
> is, with those who were supposed to be teaching them how to spell in
> elementary school... yet didn't.
> I hope you don't have any hard feelings, friend. I didn't mean to be
> insensitive, and if it seemed that way, well, I apologize.
>
> Patrick
>
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>

I think the place where Taylor lands is Nova Scotia. 'Cause that's where
he found Nova. Ah ha ha ha ha !
- - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 7:25 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Hands off Australia!


> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> >You are really beginning to worry me Patrick.
>
> >If you can't understand why it is offensive that you have to rename my
country then there is no hope for you. How you therefore conclude that I
might "prefer to live under racist, fascist, totalitarian dictatorial rule"
from my preference to keep my county's name suggests a total lack of
rationality and reason on your behalf. While I understand this renaming has
come from fondness, please compare it to our (humans') fondness for chimps
leading to taking them away from their environments and dressing them up as
humans. Yes this was done in innocence with all good intentions but it was
not a good thing to do!
> >And no Patrick, actually Heaven forbid if somebody ever got elected to
office whose agenda was to rename countries "New America"! How about
calling Russia "Anti America" and calling Israel "Hates America". Anyway,
you know what I'm saying, I hope, so let's just leave it.
>
> > Michael
>
> *** Michael... you really need to take a stress pill.
> First off, you seem to have the erroneous belief that I myself--if
> "elected to office"--would advocate renaming your continent/country of
> Australia as "New America". I myself (if I somehow had the power and/
> or the authority to do it) would NOT do so. You are mistaking my
> hypothetical/theoretical/fictional scenario (to explain the Farrow's
> Book detail, etc.) involving the actions of FICTITIOUS PEOPLE with my
> own predilections. Whether you like it or not, however, it IS human
> nature for people who migrate from one place to another (whether
> willingly or through necessity) to establish new homes with FAMILIAR
> NAMES. That is why, if you'll bother to look in a gazetteer in any
> common atlas, you'll find a huge number of places called "New..."
> something-or-other (or "Nova ---", or "Neu ---", etc.). NEW Amsterdam
> (a.k.a. NEW York), NEW Brunswick, NEW England, NOVA Scotia, etc. Even
> the reference to the "New Jerusalem" in the book of Revelation
> involves this tendency.
> London was once known as "Nova Troia" (New Troy), since it was
> "established" (at least legendarily) by a descendant of the Trojans
> who fled with Aeneas following the Trojan Horse incident (Geoffrey of
> Monmouth, in his "History of the Kings of Britain", says that the
> island got its name from Brutus, a grandson--I think--of Aeneas).
> In the late 1930's, Nazi Germany sent an expedition to Antarctica and
> claimed it for the Third Reich; to this day there are maps (such as
> the latest National Geographic map from last month) showing Queen Maud
> Land with its alternate name of "Neu Schwabenland" ("Schwabenland"
> being both the name of the ship that went there and from which
> airplanes were launched to over-fly the continent, AND the province of
> Germany more commonly known as "Swabia").
>
> Let me put this another way: if, instead, I were to write a wholly
> original (i.e. non-POTA) novel involving the nuclear destruction of
> nearly every continent EXCEPT for North America, and a subsequent
> "pole-shift" incident which shifts that continent into the SOUTHERN
> hemisphere, and a group of cultured survivors of that nuclear
> catastrophe who happened to hail from Australia (before their
> continent was blasted into inhabitability and "pole-shifted" into the
> northern hemisphere)--or, an Australia-built space station--then it
> would seem logical to me that those Aussie scientists would return to
> that severely-altered Earth... but they would NOT go back "home"
> (since the radioactivity would kill them). Rather, they would descend
> to the continent that ONCE was properly named "North America" when it
> was in the northern hemisphere... but now that it has been shifted
> into the southern hemisphere, it should logically have a name that
> reflects that "southerly" position--and what better name for these
> survivors from Australia to give it than "New Australia"? It wouldn't
> do for them to call it just "America" (since American civilization had
> been destroyed, not from nukes but from the "natural disasters" of the
> Pole Shift: massive Flooding, Volcanic activity, etc.); it wouldn't do
> for them to call it "Australia", since their uninhabitable former home
> would still bear that name in their hearts. Since the name "Australia"
> means "southern" (from the Latin "australis"), then this now-southern-
> hemisphere-dwelling continent (which formerly was "North America")
> might very well be called "New Australia". These "New Australians"
> would found their own cities, giving them names like "New Perth", "New
> Sydney", "New Canberra", "New Melbourne", etc. And IF there were any
> savage survivors of the once-United States of America ekeing out a
> precarious existence in the wilds, then these cultured Aussies would
> probably do what they could to help those poor bastards who weren't
> lucky enough to be in a safe, orbiting space station during the
> Cataclysm.
>
> The scenario I'm using for my mega-POTA epic is, please remember,
> entirely FICTIONAL. I'm not advocating that the REAL Australia be
> renamed "New America", or any other such thing. Fictional characters
> in my novel-in-progress are the ones who do so, for reasons that make
> sense historically.
> And you misunderstood my earlier posting when you accuse me of
> concluding that you might "prefer to live under racist, fascist,
> totalitarian dictatorial rule" from your preference to keep your
> country's name, etc.: I never suggested any such thing. My reference
> to "racist, fascist, totalitarian dictatorial rule" was in regards to
> the potential OTHER outcome of World War Two (i.e. if the Nazis and
> the Japanese had won, instead of the Allies). IF the Nazis (et al.)
> had won WW2, then the USA, the Brits, AND the Australians would have
> been forced to endure rulership that was racist, fascist, totalitarian
> and dictatorial. If not for the American development of the Atomic
> bomb BEFORE either the Germans or the Japanese were able to, then we
> might very well be living in such a horrific world--that is, if they
> would allow us to live.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yeah, bad spelling bothers me alot. Right, Rory?
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 7:52 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Map Description


> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> >Stop comparing yourself to Shakespeare, please!
> >If you want to throw stones, expect to get a few back and hope you don't
live in a glass house.
> >Any idiot can spell. You just press "Spell Check" on the computer.
> >Spelling is all about communicating and you knew exactly what James was
saying. You were just being a bitch.
>
> > Michael
>
> *** 1.) I wasn't "comparing" myself to Shakespeare; I was pointing out
> the fact that Shakespeare coined a boatload of words that NOW are
> commonplace words--words which were NEVER used before he used them
> first. I have no illusions that "unflub" will become part of the
> "common parlance" of English-speaking peoples the world over.
> 2.) I don't have the foggiest notion what you're talking about with
> this "throw stones" and "glass house" allegation. If you mean what I
> think you mean, then no, I don't have a problem with "james" (or you,
> or Rory, or anybody) disagreeing with me over any detail of the POTA
> saga/movies/whatever. We are all free to disagree with each other.
> However, when someone states something that I think is blatantly
> disproven by the evidence, then I reserve the right to point that out.
> 3.) "Any idiot can spell," you say, either inferring that I consider
> "james" (or, perhaps, YOU, or Rory) to be an "idiot", or that YOU
> consider ME to be an idiot. For the record, I do NOT consider anybody
> on this Board to be an "idiot"--though I do think that sometimes some
> of the folks who post here are occasionally rude and/or foolish (and
> I'm SURE some of them think the same about me!). Also, I've found that
> with the exception of people with reading disorders (like dyslexia),
> people who tend to do a LOT of reading also tend to make fewer
> mistakes in spelling. Either that, or they spend WAY too much time on
> the Internet: the Net is a wonderful invention, but so many people
> have a proliferation of misspellings on their own websites and do NOT
> bother to verify the spelling on them, so that this lack of editorship
> might give the false impression to a Net-surfer that a word (such as
> "convoluted") might be spelled a certain way (i.e. "conveluted").
> I got my degree in English, Michael, so I tend to have a 'pet-peeve'
> about atrocious spelling. Doesn't it bother YOU that so much rotten
> spelling proliferates out there? The decline in academic standards is
> producing an entire generation of near-illiterates, and though this
> may be a snowballing trend I feel it is my duty to try to keep it from
> becoming an avalanch. Hell, maybe it's too late for that, but what-
> the-f*ck!
> By the way, where exactly IS the "Spell Check" button? There isn't one
> on the keyboard at the computer cluster where I'm typing this, and I
> don't see any "Spell Check" function on this "Post" page.
> Also by the way: my last response to "james" was to TOTALLY AGREE with
> him regarding the "19th Century level of civilization" of the Apes.
> How, pray tell, does that make me a "bitch"?
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> If you don't have a problem with me then why do you put my name in
> quotes?

*** Look at the top line; it reads: "--- In pota@y..., "james611102"
etc. It's already IN quotes.

I always type out my full name at the end of [most of] my posts. My
use of "quotes" for your name is due to the fact that I don't know
what your name is. I could ASSUME that it is JAMES, although I know
someone who uses the name "James West" on the Internet because he's a
fan of the TV show [NOT THE MOVIE!!!] "Wild Wild West", even though
he's not named "James" in real life. From now on, unless you indicate
further, I'll refer to you as James, okay?
Now if I can just figure out what the hell I should call "LordTZerO"!

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002

Call him "my Lord", that's what I do. You don't believe in God anyway, so
that'll do nicely. Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 9:25 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Map Description


> --- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > If you don't have a problem with me then why do you put my name in
> > quotes?
>
> *** Look at the top line; it reads: "--- In pota@y..., "james611102"
> etc. It's already IN quotes.
>
> I always type out my full name at the end of [most of] my posts. My
> use of "quotes" for your name is due to the fact that I don't know
> what your name is. I could ASSUME that it is JAMES, although I know
> someone who uses the name "James West" on the Internet because he's a
> fan of the TV show [NOT THE MOVIE!!!] "Wild Wild West", even though
> he's not named "James" in real life. From now on, unless you indicate
> further, I'll refer to you as James, okay?
> Now if I can just figure out what the hell I should call "LordTZerO"!
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> You should try teaching a 12 year old heroin addict to spell some time
> Patrick.
>
> Then see how you react when people try to blame educators for this.
>
> Good of you to admit your err and apologise though.
>
> Michael

*** How many "12 year old heroin addicts" spend their time
constructing websites and/or posting messages to various discussion
groups? It's the bad spelling of those who obviously aren't wandering
the streets looking for 'fixes', who are spending much of their time
typing words onto keyboards, whose poor spelling bothers me.
Incidentally, your last posting suggested that I knew beforehand that
James was dyslexic yet still insisted on "ridiculing" him. What a load
of bullshit! Correcting a true mistake is not an "error"; had I known
he was dyslexic I would have dropped the matter on the spot. My
apology was for any UNINTENTIONAL hurt he may have felt due to my
critique of his dyslexic spelling; your assumption that I KNEW of his
dyslexia and THEN gave him shit for his spelling is a fucking slander,
and I think I deserve an apology from YOU for that.
Unless, that is, your slander was due to your being one of those 12
year old heroin addicts you fret over! Hell, I guess I'd cut you some
slack then, Mick.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002

Attachments :

I see that things don't change here much on the e-group.
attack, attack, attack...

Geez...next you'll all start straping bombs to yourselves and blowing
yourselves up in the name of the Lawgiver!

Shalom.
Al

>From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Spelling (OT)
>Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 04:43:33 -0000
>

_____

James--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> James...what helecopter...which scene?

I've never noticed it?
And to answer my quiz no... it's not the helecopter I'm refering to.
Brent

I assume you're talking about the helicopter that flys by in the

> background. Can't believe it took you so long to spot that.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "brentdrew2002" <brentg@g...> wrote:
> > Ok I'm probably way behind on this but I noticed a few weeks ago
> when
> > I was using the movie for it's dialogue (which is always great I
> must
> > add) that there seems to be a new mistake. I'm well aware of some
> of
> > the others but has anyone noticed what appears to be a mistake in
> > the back ground when Taylor and Landon are having there

discussion

> > about their personality types. Any guesses?
> >
> > Brent

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Yeah, bad spelling bothers me alot. Right, Rory?
     - - - Jeff

I sure am sorry I got on that gal about her spelling.
She disapeared from the group soon after.
I was just trying to push her into finding the spell check.

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  Call him "my Lord", that's what I do. You don't believe in God anyway, so
that'll do nicely. Etc.    - - - Jeff

Thanks Jeff.
I appreciate that.

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Hi Alex

Did you say you can transfer from an audio tape to a CD and maybe even
eliminate some of the shitty record noises?

I have finally taped the Planet LPs and they are my old faithful originals,
so let me know if you can help. Some interesting things to chat about (like
for example there is mention of "Ape Shall Not Kill Ape" in one of the TV
series srories), so I would hope to make these available to whomever in the
group would be interested.

Let me know.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Calima 5021 [calima5021com@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2002 14:57
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Spelling (OT)
>
>
> I see that things don't change here much on the e-group.
> attack, attack, attack...
>
> Geez...next you'll all start straping bombs to yourselves and blowing
> yourselves up in the name of the Lawgiver!
>
> Shalom.
> Al
>
>
> >From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Spelling (OT)
> >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 04:43:33 -0000
> >
>
>
>
>
> _____

No, I suggested you might want to have the foresight to include the scenario
as an option. But no you don't have that foresight. you self righteous
little turd.

I think it would be more appropriate that you lick my balls than I offer you
an apology. Take a chill pill.

And yes Patrick, we all know you think you are better than us. I will
return to my blissful deletion of your idiotic ravings.

Lick 'em good Pat.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2002 14:44
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Spelling (OT)

> Incidentally, your last posting suggested that I knew beforehand that
> James was dyslexic yet still insisted on "ridiculing" him. What a load
> of bullshit! Correcting a true mistake is not an "error"; had I known
> he was dyslexic I would have dropped the matter on the spot. My
> apology was for any UNINTENTIONAL hurt he may have felt due to my
> critique of his dyslexic spelling; your assumption that I KNEW of his
> dyslexia and THEN gave him shit for his spelling is a fucking slander,
> and I think I deserve an apology from YOU for that.
> Unless, that is, your slander was due to your being one of those 12
> year old heroin addicts you fret over! Hell, I guess I'd cut you some
> slack then, Mick.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Yeah, bad spelling bothers me alot. Right, Rory?
     - - - Jeff

I sure am sorry I got on that gal about her spelling.
She disapeared from the group soon after.
I was just trying to push her into finding the spell check.

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/17/02 11:57:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Not nearly as creepy as what Helius was doing in Boulle's original
book. Cutting off the tops of humans' skulls and stimulating the brain
in order to access ancestral memories... >shudder<!!!

Yeah, that was good.  Too bad the idiots that made the new POTA didn't have a scene like that.

-- Rory<.html

"Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> OK I'm going with Project 3 unless I get firm evidence of a Project

10.

No, you're right, it is Project 3. I said "Project 10" off the top of
my head, but I was evidently getting it mixed up with something else.

It was relatively easy to check since it's pictured on the front cover
of Sauseville's book!

Alan

Go back and look again. You have to run it frame by frame its only
there for a second behind Taylor's head.
By the way, what were you refering to?

--- In pota@y..., "brentdrew2002" <brentg@g...> wrote:
> James--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > James...what helecopter...which scene?
> I've never noticed it?
> And to answer my quiz no... it's not the helecopter I'm refering to.
> Brent
>
> I assume you're talking about the helicopter that flys by in the
> > background. Can't believe it took you so long to spot that.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "brentdrew2002" <brentg@g...> wrote:
> > > Ok I'm probably way behind on this but I noticed a few weeks
ago
> > when
> > > I was using the movie for it's dialogue (which is always great
I
> > must
> > > add) that there seems to be a new mistake. I'm well aware of
some
> > of
> > > the others but has anyone noticed what appears to be a mistake
in
> > > the back ground when Taylor and Landon are having there
> discussion
> > > about their personality types. Any guesses?
> > >
> > > Brent

The same scene you're refering to. It appears behind Taylor's head
for a second or two as they're walking and talking.

--- In pota@y..., "brentdrew2002" <brentg@g...> wrote:
> James--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > James...what helecopter...which scene?
> I've never noticed it?
> And to answer my quiz no... it's not the helecopter I'm refering to.
> Brent
>
> I assume you're talking about the helicopter that flys by in the
> > background. Can't believe it took you so long to spot that.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "brentdrew2002" <brentg@g...> wrote:
> > > Ok I'm probably way behind on this but I noticed a few weeks
ago
> > when
> > > I was using the movie for it's dialogue (which is always great
I
> > must
> > > add) that there seems to be a new mistake. I'm well aware of
some
> > of
> > > the others but has anyone noticed what appears to be a mistake
in
> > > the back ground when Taylor and Landon are having there
> discussion
> > > about their personality types. Any guesses?
> > >
> > > Brent

Attachments :

"patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

> ***You mentioned "establishing shot" (I think), so I naturally

thought

> of that "establishing shot" from the first episode (right before the
> first scene with Galen and Zaius), showing "Central City"--using
> footage from PLANET (the movie). The "ruins" you're talking about
> (i.e. both Oakland and San Francisco) were not "establishing

shots"--

They are establishing shots - one is the very first image from "The
Trap" and the other is from before the fugitives enter the city in
"The Legacy". See pics attached!

> >... I don't believe for one moment that the writers ever intended

the series to take place in the same continuity.

>
> *** The same can be (and HAS BEEN) said about the relation of

BENEATH

> to PLANET. The "mistakes" in BENEATH do not easily reconcile with

the

> "canon" established in the first film

That much is true - Beneath does have a few gaffs in it. But it is
still obvious that it is a sequel and is taking place in the same
universe, and that's the difference - my point was simply that the TV
series is not full of continuity errors, I believe it's simply not
meant to be the Planet of the Apes we see on the big screen.

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>
> Well, I went and checked where I think you're talking about and I

see NO

> helicopter. So, where exactly is this?

Can't say I remember this either - can anyone provide a screengrab?

Alan

Both ruins were the same thing. I think Bill Blake said they were from
"Earthquake". Can't blame them, it's just like using Ape City footage to
establish "Central City"; it just makes sense on a TV budget/time frame.
Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Less Politics More Apes


> "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:
> > ***You mentioned "establishing shot" (I think), so I naturally
> thought
> > of that "establishing shot" from the first episode (right before the
> > first scene with Galen and Zaius), showing "Central City"--using
> > footage from PLANET (the movie). The "ruins" you're talking about
> > (i.e. both Oakland and San Francisco) were not "establishing
> shots"--
>
> They are establishing shots - one is the very first image from "The
> Trap" and the other is from before the fugitives enter the city in
> "The Legacy". See pics attached!
>
> > >... I don't believe for one moment that the writers ever intended
> the series to take place in the same continuity.
> >
> > *** The same can be (and HAS BEEN) said about the relation of
> BENEATH
> > to PLANET. The "mistakes" in BENEATH do not easily reconcile with
> the
> > "canon" established in the first film
>
> That much is true - Beneath does have a few gaffs in it. But it is
> still obvious that it is a sequel and is taking place in the same
> universe, and that's the difference - my point was simply that the TV
> series is not full of continuity errors, I believe it's simply not
> meant to be the Planet of the Apes we see on the big screen.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:30 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape Shudders

In a message dated 4/17/02 11:57:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Not nearly as creepy as what Helius was doing in Boulle's original
book. Cutting off the tops of humans' skulls and stimulating the brain
in order to access ancestral memories... >shudder<!!!

Yeah, that was good.  Too bad the idiots that made the new POTA didn't have a scene like that.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:46 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Map Description

  Call him "my Lord", that's what I do. You don't believe in God anyway, so
that'll do nicely. Etc.    - - - Jeff

Thanks Jeff.
I appreciate that.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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James thanks for the advise I will check it out.

Brent

--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> The same scene you're refering to. It appears behind Taylor's head
> for a second or two as they're walking and talking.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "brentdrew2002" <brentg@g...> wrote:
> > James--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > > James...what helecopter...which scene?
> > I've never noticed it?
> > And to answer my quiz no... it's not the helecopter I'm refering
to.
> > Brent
> >
> > I assume you're talking about the helicopter that flys by in the
> > > background. Can't believe it took you so long to spot that.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "brentdrew2002" <brentg@g...> wrote:
> > > > Ok I'm probably way behind on this but I noticed a few weeks
> ago
> > > when
> > > > I was using the movie for it's dialogue (which is always
great
> I
> > > must
> > > > add) that there seems to be a new mistake. I'm well aware of
> some
> > > of
> > > > the others but has anyone noticed what appears to be a
mistake
> in
> > > > the back ground when Taylor and Landon are having there
> > discussion
> > > > about their personality types. Any guesses?
> > > >
> > > > Brent

Hi James, Brent here. The mistake I was referring to was the double
set of footprints in the sand which you can see as Dodge is walking
way ahead of Taylor and Landon. I think you have sparked more interest
with this helecopter shot you're talking about though. Where exactly
is it during the dialogue?

Brent

Dick Zanuck talked to Marilyn Beck about "Apes 2" (it's at
www.movieheadlines.net ). Says, "The studio made a lot of money on the
picture, but because the budget was so high, it's in no hurry to do another.
It could be a couple of years".
What spin-doctor Zanuck MEANT to say is they botched it. "Spiderman" was
made for about the same amount and a sequel is already in the works. I still
think it will happen - "Apes" had simply Fox's best opening ever - but the
players are probably sizing each other up. And scratching their heads raw
like a bunch of monkeys trying to figure out a good story to tell.
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Less Politics More Apes


> "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:
> > ***You mentioned "establishing shot" (I think), so I naturally
> thought
> > of that "establishing shot" from the first episode (right before the
> > first scene with Galen and Zaius), showing "Central City"--using
> > footage from PLANET (the movie). The "ruins" you're talking about
> > (i.e. both Oakland and San Francisco) were not "establishing
> shots"--
>
> They are establishing shots - one is the very first image from "The
> Trap" and the other is from before the fugitives enter the city in
> "The Legacy". See pics attached!
>
> > >... I don't believe for one moment that the writers ever intended
> the series to take place in the same continuity.
> >
> > *** The same can be (and HAS BEEN) said about the relation of
> BENEATH
> > to PLANET. The "mistakes" in BENEATH do not easily reconcile with
> the
> > "canon" established in the first film
>
> That much is true - Beneath does have a few gaffs in it. But it is
> still obvious that it is a sequel and is taking place in the same
> universe, and that's the difference - my point was simply that the TV
> series is not full of continuity errors, I believe it's simply not
> meant to be the Planet of the Apes we see on the big screen.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Yeah, I expected as such.
We won't see an apes sequel until Fox is desparate for another hit.
Spider-man on the other hand will make twice the amount if not more that
what apes made both in the boxoffice and merchandising. So I can understand
the quick responce to a Spidey sequel.

I'm looking more forward to Spidey than Star Wars. Star will be pretty good,
but I'm not looking forward to a cliffhanger, as episode II will no doubt
be. As was Empire Strikes Back.

Best.
Al

>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update
>Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:09:53 -0700
>

_____

You know things are bad when they are stalling on a new "Apes" in this
environment. Here's some more remakes, courtesy of www.aintitcool.com :
Steven Norrington plans a live-action "Akira" (based on the classic anime),
a new "Willie Wonka" is being considered by Martin Scorcese (!), and they
want to do a new "Warriors" with martial arts instead of firearms. What
would Chuck say?! Speaking of Chuck, yet another of his chestnuts is being
dusted off : "Spiderman" director Sam Raimi wants to remake "The Naked
Jungle" (which had Chuck battling army ants - - also without firearms, I
think).
The site's Moriarity also noted, re: Burton's proposed "Stepford Wives",
"the bitter irony of Burton doing a film that satirizes the drive to
conform, even as he's finally been beaten down by the system, turned into
just another mainstream gun for hire".
- - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 7:09 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update


> Dick Zanuck talked to Marilyn Beck about "Apes 2" (it's at
> www.movieheadlines.net ). Says, "The studio made a lot of money on the
> picture, but because the budget was so high, it's in no hurry to do
another.
> It could be a couple of years".
> What spin-doctor Zanuck MEANT to say is they botched it. "Spiderman" was
> made for about the same amount and a sequel is already in the works. I
still
> think it will happen - "Apes" had simply Fox's best opening ever - but the
> players are probably sizing each other up. And scratching their heads raw
> like a bunch of monkeys trying to figure out a good story to tell.
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Less Politics More Apes
>
>
> > "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:
> > > ***You mentioned "establishing shot" (I think), so I naturally
> > thought
> > > of that "establishing shot" from the first episode (right before the
> > > first scene with Galen and Zaius), showing "Central City"--using
> > > footage from PLANET (the movie). The "ruins" you're talking about
> > > (i.e. both Oakland and San Francisco) were not "establishing
> > shots"--
> >
> > They are establishing shots - one is the very first image from "The
> > Trap" and the other is from before the fugitives enter the city in
> > "The Legacy". See pics attached!
> >
> > > >... I don't believe for one moment that the writers ever intended
> > the series to take place in the same continuity.
> > >
> > > *** The same can be (and HAS BEEN) said about the relation of
> > BENEATH
> > > to PLANET. The "mistakes" in BENEATH do not easily reconcile with
> > the
> > > "canon" established in the first film
> >
> > That much is true - Beneath does have a few gaffs in it. But it is
> > still obvious that it is a sequel and is taking place in the same
> > universe, and that's the difference - my point was simply that the TV
> > series is not full of continuity errors, I believe it's simply not
> > meant to be the Planet of the Apes we see on the big screen.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

...if you're still on this list. I received an email from you last
night with an attachment containing the W32.Klez.E@mm virus - my
Norton AV picked it up, but you might want to get it checked out if
you haven't already.

Alan

Hey, Hasbro is dumping those rare "Ape" figures on Kay-Bee. I saw Krull,
Pericles and Red Soldier for $4 each. Get your asses down there pronto!
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update


> Yeah, I expected as such.
> We won't see an apes sequel until Fox is desparate for another hit.
> Spider-man on the other hand will make twice the amount if not more that
> what apes made both in the boxoffice and merchandising. So I can
understand
> the quick responce to a Spidey sequel.
>
> I'm looking more forward to Spidey than Star Wars. Star will be pretty
good,
> but I'm not looking forward to a cliffhanger, as episode II will no doubt
> be. As was Empire Strikes Back.
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
> >From: <veetus@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update
> >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:09:53 -0700
> >
>
>
>
>
> _____

I will say this for "Apes"; it's release was screwed. The big hits are
those that are released in May before the competition strikes. The big hits
last summer were "Shrek", "Pearl Harbor" and "Mummy Returns", April/May
movies all. If "Apes" had been released in May it probably would have had
"Pearl Harbor's or Mummy's grosses. Of course, it wouldn't have had
"Shrek"'s grosses or "Lord of the Rings' grosses. A movie has to actually be
liked to achieve that. Etc. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update


> Yeah, I expected as such.
> We won't see an apes sequel until Fox is desparate for another hit.
> Spider-man on the other hand will make twice the amount if not more that
> what apes made both in the boxoffice and merchandising. So I can
understand
> the quick responce to a Spidey sequel.
>
> I'm looking more forward to Spidey than Star Wars. Star will be pretty
good,
> but I'm not looking forward to a cliffhanger, as episode II will no doubt
> be. As was Empire Strikes Back.
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
> >From: <veetus@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update
> >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:09:53 -0700
> >
>
>
>
>
> _____

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Well, perhaps but I think it's a bit too close to call.
There was a bit of a back lash on the ending, no one understood it. And so
as is best advertisement, so is worst advertisement.
"Word of Mouth".

I think if it opened in April or May, it would have topped the 200 million
mark in the U.S. but not much higher than that. End it with Semos in the
memorial, and it would have had huge numbers at the box office. Simply
because the ending would have been a lot more believeable and logical.

So close and yet so far.
Oh well.

Best.
Al

>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update
>Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:34:27 -0700
>

_____

Dan Vernaet tells me that Jay Leno brings up what Zanuck said in his
monologue tonight (about there not being a sequel). Leno reads Marilyn Beck?
Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update


> Well, perhaps but I think it's a bit too close to call.
> There was a bit of a back lash on the ending, no one understood it. And so
> as is best advertisement, so is worst advertisement.
> "Word of Mouth".
>
> I think if it opened in April or May, it would have topped the 200 million
> mark in the U.S. but not much higher than that. End it with Semos in the
> memorial, and it would have had huge numbers at the box office. Simply
> because the ending would have been a lot more believeable and logical.
>
> So close and yet so far.
> Oh well.
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
>
> >From: <veetus@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update
> >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:34:27 -0700
> >
>
>
>
>
> _____

It wasn't just the ending. That 2nd half is pretty lame. Maybe if the
ending just showed that apes had taken over, and not specifically blamed
Thade, people wouldn't have been so confused. Etc. - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update


> Well, perhaps but I think it's a bit too close to call.
> There was a bit of a back lash on the ending, no one understood it. And so
> as is best advertisement, so is worst advertisement.
> "Word of Mouth".
>
> I think if it opened in April or May, it would have topped the 200 million
> mark in the U.S. but not much higher than that. End it with Semos in the
> memorial, and it would have had huge numbers at the box office. Simply
> because the ending would have been a lot more believeable and logical.
>
> So close and yet so far.
> Oh well.
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
>
> >From: <veetus@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update
> >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:34:27 -0700
> >
>
>
>
>
> _____

I finally got a DVD player.That DVD is amazing.
Didn't some one say there was a way to access
the Nuon features with out buying a Nuon deck?

In a message dated 4/19/02 11:35:36 PM, veetus@... writes:

<< Maybe if the ending just showed that apes had taken over, and not
specifically blamed Thade, people wouldn't have been so confused. Etc. >>

I agree, although I personally like the ending the way it is for the sheer
loony-ness of it.

Matt

Yeah, I liked the ending. I just wish his leaving the other the planet was
more satisfying, and that his travel home was more believable. Etc. - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update


>
> In a message dated 4/19/02 11:35:36 PM, veetus@... writes:
>
> << Maybe if the ending just showed that apes had taken over, and not
> specifically blamed Thade, people wouldn't have been so confused. Etc. >>
>
> I agree, although I personally like the ending the way it is for the sheer
> loony-ness of it.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Congrats. You're talking about the POTA2001 DVD? Which one did you get?
There's 2 out now, one with only one disc and no extras. Stores are getting
confused and offering the 2-disc set for the one disc price ($14.95). What
DVDs do you have?
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DVD


> I finally got a DVD player.That DVD is amazing.
> Didn't some one say there was a way to access
> the Nuon features with out buying a Nuon deck?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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What's Kay-Bee?

Best.
Al

>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Jackpot!
>Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:27:44 -0700
>

_____

It's a toy store, usually an expensive one. But even at that price, these
"Ape" toys still don't sell. It's like they have a pox on them. I still say
Hasbro did a good job on them but the movie dragged them down.
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Jackpot!


> What's Kay-Bee?
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
> >From: <veetus@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Jackpot!
> >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:27:44 -0700
> >
>
>
>
>
> _____

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Congrats. You're talking about the POTA2001 DVD? Which one did you get?

The one with all the extras.  Pretty cool.  I want to get the originals as well.  I also have Playmate of the Apes, The Beach Boy Endless Harmony(the first DVD I ever bought and The Aventures of Buckaroo Banzai -- another one with a loads of extras.
I don't know if I'm just going to get the original or buy all five on DVD.  I have to see what Zira sounds like in French.  I'll have to do some shopping around.  Until these things come down in price, I can't by just anything.

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I do like that ending better.
That plus pushing a bit more on ape slavery when Leo would talk about his
world with Ari.
What little he did talk on anything for that matter.
I wouldn't doubt if you can completely understand the moive with the sound
off. Heck, it should have been a silent picture! :o)

Minus the ending of course, sound on or off, you still couldn't understand
it!

Man, I crack myself up. :o)

Best.
Al

>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update
>Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:34:23 -0700
>

_____

Yeah, Jay Leno made a crack about Zanuck's comments, saying," There may
not be a sequel to the "Planet of the Apes" movie. Apparently they couldn't
figure out that stupid ending either". Ho ho. I was hoping he'd say
something like, "Please Fox, make the sequel. It had your biggest opening
ever, and I'm not talking about Rupert Murdoch's asshole". But it didn't
happen. Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update


> I do like that ending better.
> That plus pushing a bit more on ape slavery when Leo would talk about his
> world with Ari.
> What little he did talk on anything for that matter.
> I wouldn't doubt if you can completely understand the moive with the sound
> off. Heck, it should have been a silent picture! :o)
>
> Minus the ending of course, sound on or off, you still couldn't understand
> it!
>
> Man, I crack myself up. :o)
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
>
> >From: <veetus@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update
> >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:34:23 -0700
> >
>
>
>
>
> _____

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:15 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DVD

Congrats. You're talking about the POTA2001 DVD? Which one did you get?

The one with all the extras.  Pretty cool.  I want to get the originals as well.  I also have Playmate of the Apes, The Beach Boy Endless Harmony(the first DVD I ever bought and The Aventures of Buckaroo Banzai -- another one with a loads of extras.
I don't know if I'm just going to get the original or buy all five on DVD.  I have to see what Zira sounds like in French.  I'll have to do some shopping around.  Until these things come down in price, I can't by just anything.


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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What about those cartoons Al!

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And, yeah, if someone knows how to use the Nuon features without a Nuon decoder, let us know. The company went out of business. Etc. 

Doesn't that suck!
Apparent, the only two discs that were ever made with Nuon enhancements, were POTA and Buckaroo Banzai.  It figures.  But who wants to shell out the buck for a machine with Nuon that you can use on all of 2 DVDs?<.html

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Well, they will eventually feature on my list, but right now I need some
proof reading and input for this this....



Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2002 9:28
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Jackpot!
>
>
> Hey, Hasbro is dumping those rare "Ape" figures on Kay-Bee. I saw Krull,
> Pericles and Red Soldier for $4 each. Get your asses down there pronto!
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update
>
>
> > Yeah, I expected as such.
> > We won't see an apes sequel until Fox is desparate for another hit.
> > Spider-man on the other hand will make twice the amount if not more that
> > what apes made both in the boxoffice and merchandising. So I can
> understand
> > the quick responce to a Spidey sequel.
> >
> > I'm looking more forward to Spidey than Star Wars. Star will be pretty
> good,
> > but I'm not looking forward to a cliffhanger, as episode II
> will no doubt
> > be. As was Empire Strikes Back.
> >
> > Best.
> > Al
> >
> >
> > >From: <veetus@...>
> > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update
> > >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:09:53 -0700
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____

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I see you now have DVD fever. :o)

I'll have everthing ready by the end of the month.

Best.
Al

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update
>Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 03:34:48 EDT
>

_____

Got this from another group:

By Leaps and Bounds, Monkeys Overrun Japan

By JAMES BROOKEIKKO, Japan ��� At a mountain highway rest stop, tourists were
browsing in a souvenir shop and lining up to ride a red-topped gondola to a
snowy peak. Suddenly, word spread through the parking lot: a robbery.An
intruder had jumped through the open door of a car and was rummaging through
the interior. Finally, the car owner offered some acceptable loot: a ripe
banana. With razor-sharp incisors slicing through peel and fruit, the
Japanese monkey bounded off."There is one monkey that will sit in the road,
betting that the car will stop, then he will jump on the hood and demand
food," said Tomoaki Matsuo, a freelance television reporter who makes his
living filming monkey encounters in this resort town 75 miles north of Tokyo.
Others try to jump through open windows of cars moving at close to 20 miles
an hour. "The cars almost get into accidents," he said. Monkeys are spreading
across Japan, a tidy, cement-trimmed nation more commonly associated with
bullet trains than wildlife. From a scraggly postwar population of 15,000,
the number of monkeys has increased tenfold in half a century, reaching
150,000 today. In contrast, Japan's human population, loath to reproduce, is
expected to drop by half this century, to 65 million.  

"If people just let the monkeys reproduce themselves, Japan would be the
archipelago of the monkeys in 2200," said Kunio Watanabe, a professor of
primate sociology at Kyoto University. "But I don't think that Japanese are
that patient."Inter-primate harmony is fraying in this town, abutting Nikko
National Park, where officials print pamphlets showing the year by year
territorial advance of monkeys from park homeland. Some mothers now drive
their children to school for fear of monkey attacks. Two years ago, Nikko
became the first town in Japan to ban the feeding of monkeys."It just gets
worse and worse," complained Toki Kaneda, 60, a resident of the Chuzenji Lake
section who closed her souvenir store because of monkey theft. "We haven't
been able to leave the windows of our second-floor rooms open for
years."Increasingly, officials demonize monkeys as "pests" that "infest"
farmland, causing at least $7 million crop damage a year. Nationwide, the
Asahi Shimbun newspaper estimates, the number of monkeys killed by humans has
soared over the last 25 years to about 10,000 a year today. Nevertheless,
like coyotes in the United States, monkey numbers in Japan keep increasing.
With monkey bands moving from mountain areas to farm areas, their diet has
improved, allowing most adult females now to have one baby a year."Is it
possible to give them birth control?" Akiko Domoto, governor of Chiba
prefecture, asked in an interview, noting that Hong Kong was starting this
spring to capture and sterilize male monkeys. "I love monkeys, but as
governor I have to do something." Japanese monkeys are becoming bigger and
more aggressive because of their Western diets, complains Teruo Kanaya, a
60-year-old Nikko hotelier. By rooting through garbage bags or extorting food
from tourists, he said, "they have gotten bigger from 20 to 30 years of
eating Western food, McDonald's, greasy, fatty food."The monkey population
explosion reflects changes in Japanese society, including the decline of
hunting and farming. In 1960, a quarter of Japan's work force were farmers.
Today, fewer than 5 percent are."Monkeys are moving into areas that are
abandoned, where there are no farmers, no dogs," said Hidenori Kusakari,
Japan conservation director for the World Wide Fund for Nature.Farmers who
stay behind often wonder if they are growing vegetables only to provide
monkeys with buffet salad bars. A new book, "Protecting Mountain Fields From
Monkeys," contains the latest in anti-monkey technology, including electric
fences and 12-foot-high nets.Not only has the number of Japan's hunters
receded to 1960's levels, but an increasingly urban population looks aghast
at hunting monkeys. Families of hunters suffer social ostracism. Children get
teased at school if their fathers are known to be "monkey killers."Still,
rural villages sometimes post bounties of up to $1,000 for the leader of a
particularly destructive monkey troop. In cities, sensational news reports
about monkeys "molesting women and children" have stirred police officers to
form monkey posses, patrolling streets with nets and bananas tied to poles.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:55 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Japan of the Apes

Got this from another group:

By Leaps and Bounds, Monkeys Overrun Japan

By JAMES BROOKEIKKO, Japan — At a mountain highway rest stop, tourists were
browsing in a souvenir shop and lining up to ride a red-topped gondola to a
snowy peak. Suddenly, word spread through the parking lot: a robbery.An
intruder had jumped through the open door of a car and was rummaging through
the interior. Finally, the car owner offered some acceptable loot: a ripe
banana. With razor-sharp incisors slicing through peel and fruit, the
Japanese monkey bounded off."There is one monkey that will sit in the road,
betting that the car will stop, then he will jump on the hood and demand
food," said Tomoaki Matsuo, a freelance television reporter who makes his
living filming monkey encounters in this resort town 75 miles north of Tokyo.
Others try to jump through open windows of cars moving at close to 20 miles
an hour. "The cars almost get into accidents," he said. Monkeys are spreading
across Japan, a tidy, cement-trimmed nation more commonly associated with
bullet trains than wildlife. From a scraggly postwar population of 15,000,
the number of monkeys has increased tenfold in half a century, reaching
150,000 today. In contrast, Japan's human population, loath to reproduce, is
expected to drop by half this century, to 65 million.  

"If people just let the monkeys reproduce themselves, Japan would be the
archipelago of the monkeys in 2200," said Kunio Watanabe, a professor of
primate sociology at Kyoto University. "But I don't think that Japanese are
that patient."Inter-primate harmony is fraying in this town, abutting Nikko
National Park, where officials print pamphlets showing the year by year
territorial advance of monkeys from park homeland. Some mothers now drive
their children to school for fear of monkey attacks. Two years ago, Nikko
became the first town in Japan to ban the feeding of monkeys."It just gets
worse and worse," complained Toki Kaneda, 60, a resident of the Chuzenji Lake
section who closed her souvenir store because of monkey theft. "We haven't
been able to leave the windows of our second-floor rooms open for
years."Increasingly, officials demonize monkeys as "pests" that "infest"
farmland, causing at least $7 million crop damage a year. Nationwide, the
Asahi Shimbun newspaper estimates, the number of monkeys killed by humans has
soared over the last 25 years to about 10,000 a year today. Nevertheless,
like coyotes in the United States, monkey numbers in Japan keep increasing.
With monkey bands moving from mountain areas to farm areas, their diet has
improved, allowing most adult females now to have one baby a year."Is it
possible to give them birth control?" Akiko Domoto, governor of Chiba
prefecture, asked in an interview, noting that Hong Kong was starting this
spring to capture and sterilize male monkeys. "I love monkeys, but as
governor I have to do something." Japanese monkeys are becoming bigger and
more aggressive because of their Western diets, complains Teruo Kanaya, a
60-year-old Nikko hotelier. By rooting through garbage bags or extorting food
from tourists, he said, "they have gotten bigger from 20 to 30 years of
eating Western food, McDonald's, greasy, fatty food."The monkey population
explosion reflects changes in Japanese society, including the decline of
hunting and farming. In 1960, a quarter of Japan's work force were farmers.
Today, fewer than 5 percent are."Monkeys are moving into areas that are
abandoned, where there are no farmers, no dogs," said Hidenori Kusakari,
Japan conservation director for the World Wide Fund for Nature.Farmers who
stay behind often wonder if they are growing vegetables only to provide
monkeys with buffet salad bars. A new book, "Protecting Mountain Fields From
Monkeys," contains the latest in anti-monkey technology, including electric
fences and 12-foot-high nets.Not only has the number of Japan's hunters
receded to 1960's levels, but an increasingly urban population looks aghast
at hunting monkeys. Families of hunters suffer social ostracism. Children get
teased at school if their fathers are known to be "monkey killers."Still,
rural villages sometimes post bounties of up to $1,000 for the leader of a
particularly destructive monkey troop. In cities, sensational news reports
about monkeys "molesting women and children" have stirred police officers to
form monkey posses, patrolling streets with nets and bananas tied to poles.
So it looks like Japan will be conquered first, leading Earth to be a...
PLANET OF THE APES!

---

>>And no Patrick, actually Heaven forbid if somebody ever got elected to office

w
hose agenda was to rename countries "New America"!

Don't underestimate our Republican Party. It's probably in their platform.

>Whether you like it or not, however, it IS human
>nature for people who migrate from one place to another (whether
>willingly or through necessity) to establish new homes with FAMILIAR
>NAMES. That is why, if you'll bother to look in a gazetteer in any
>common atlas, you'll find a huge number of places called "New..."
>something-or-other (or "Nova ---", or "Neu ---", etc.). NEW Amsterdam
>(a.k.a. NEW York), NEW Brunswick, NEW England, NOVA Scotia, etc. Even

The British took over Australia and named part of it "New South Wales".
The British took over America and named part of it "New England".
The British took over Canada and named part of it "Nova Scotia".

Between the three we have a complete replacement for Britain.

-Tom

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:55 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Japan of the Apes

Got this from another group:

By Leaps and Bounds, Monkeys Overrun Japan

By JAMES BROOKEIKKO, Japan — At a mountain highway rest stop, tourists were
browsing in a souvenir shop and lining up to ride a red-topped gondola to a
snowy peak. Suddenly, word spread through the parking lot: a robbery.An
intruder had jumped through the open door of a car and was rummaging through
the interior. Finally, the car owner offered some acceptable loot: a ripe
banana. With razor-sharp incisors slicing through peel and fruit, the
Japanese monkey bounded off."There is one monkey that will sit in the road,
betting that the car will stop, then he will jump on the hood and demand
food," said Tomoaki Matsuo, a freelance television reporter who makes his
living filming monkey encounters in this resort town 75 miles north of Tokyo.
Others try to jump through open windows of cars moving at close to 20 miles
an hour. "The cars almost get into accidents," he said. Monkeys are spreading
across Japan, a tidy, cement-trimmed nation more commonly associated with
bullet trains than wildlife. From a scraggly postwar population of 15,000,
the number of monkeys has increased tenfold in half a century, reaching
150,000 today. In contrast, Japan's human population, loath to reproduce, is
expected to drop by half this century, to 65 million.  

"If people just let the monkeys reproduce themselves, Japan would be the
archipelago of the monkeys in 2200," said Kunio Watanabe, a professor of
primate sociology at Kyoto University. "But I don't think that Japanese are
that patient."Inter-primate harmony is fraying in this town, abutting Nikko
National Park, where officials print pamphlets showing the year by year
territorial advance of monkeys from park homeland. Some mothers now drive
their children to school for fear of monkey attacks. Two years ago, Nikko
became the first town in Japan to ban the feeding of monkeys."It just gets
worse and worse," complained Toki Kaneda, 60, a resident of the Chuzenji Lake
section who closed her souvenir store because of monkey theft. "We haven't
been able to leave the windows of our second-floor rooms open for
years."Increasingly, officials demonize monkeys as "pests" that "infest"
farmland, causing at least $7 million crop damage a year. Nationwide, the
Asahi Shimbun newspaper estimates, the number of monkeys killed by humans has
soared over the last 25 years to about 10,000 a year today. Nevertheless,
like coyotes in the United States, monkey numbers in Japan keep increasing.
With monkey bands moving from mountain areas to farm areas, their diet has
improved, allowing most adult females now to have one baby a year."Is it
possible to give them birth control?" Akiko Domoto, governor of Chiba
prefecture, asked in an interview, noting that Hong Kong was starting this
spring to capture and sterilize male monkeys. "I love monkeys, but as
governor I have to do something." Japanese monkeys are becoming bigger and
more aggressive because of their Western diets, complains Teruo Kanaya, a
60-year-old Nikko hotelier. By rooting through garbage bags or extorting food
from tourists, he said, "they have gotten bigger from 20 to 30 years of
eating Western food, McDonald's, greasy, fatty food."The monkey population
explosion reflects changes in Japanese society, including the decline of
hunting and farming. In 1960, a quarter of Japan's work force were farmers.
Today, fewer than 5 percent are."Monkeys are moving into areas that are
abandoned, where there are no farmers, no dogs," said Hidenori Kusakari,
Japan conservation director for the World Wide Fund for Nature.Farmers who
stay behind often wonder if they are growing vegetables only to provide
monkeys with buffet salad bars. A new book, "Protecting Mountain Fields From
Monkeys," contains the latest in anti-monkey technology, including electric
fences and 12-foot-high nets.Not only has the number of Japan's hunters
receded to 1960's levels, but an increasingly urban population looks aghast
at hunting monkeys. Families of hunters suffer social ostracism. Children get
teased at school if their fathers are known to be "monkey killers."Still,
rural villages sometimes post bounties of up to $1,000 for the leader of a
particularly destructive monkey troop. In cities, sensational news reports
about monkeys "molesting women and children" have stirred police officers to
form monkey posses, patrolling streets with nets and bananas tied to poles.
So it looks like Japan will be conquered first, leading Earth to be a...
PLANET OF THE APES!

---

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"Apes" had simply Fox's best opening ever - but the
players are probably sizing each other up. And scratching their heads raw
like a bunch of monkeys trying to figure out a good story to tell.
     - - - Jeff

Hey Jeff, if they had a good story to tell they would tell it wrong!  Just suppose instead going to school and working on my screenplay, I wrote Apes 2 . . . The first thing they would do, after trying to screw me on the contract, would be to hire a couple of hacks to mess it up in the rewrites.  Then they would bring in a bunch of no talent high concept guys and see how they could screw it up and then, and only then, would they see how many parts they could mis-cast in it.  Then when it flopped, they would figure out a way to blame me for it, and try and see to it that I would never work in that town again.

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--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

>No, I suggested you might want to have the foresight to include the scenario as an option. But no you don't have that foresight. you self righteous little turd.

>I think it would be more appropriate that you lick my balls than I offer you an apology. Take a chill pill.

>And yes Patrick, we all know you think you are better than us. I will return to my blissful deletion of your idiotic ravings.

>Lick 'em good Pat.

>Michael

*** My, oh my... so that's the high-level of discourse one acquires
with a Masters of Education degree!
So... I should just ASSUME that everybody who misspells words in their
postings are dyslexic? I suppose I should also assume that you
'suffer' from Tourette's Syndrome, and that you don't have any excuse
for the vulgarities you've proffered in this quaint message of yours.

In "Message 16850" you state: "... it shits me to death when people
ridicule others in an attempt to inflate themselves..."--essentially,
accusing me of the equivalent of abusing the handicapped. Like kicking
the crutches out from under somebody who is paralyzed from the waist
down. If somebody accused YOU of that sort of thing, would you just
sit there and let it slide? I was not aware of James' dyslexia until
Message #16765--well after my spelling critiques. I don't know why he
didn't clue me in to his VALID excuse for his spelling idiosyncracies
until #16765 (perhaps he felt self-conscious about it? I don't know--
just guessing here), but AFTER that posting I didn't hesitate to
apologize to him for any unintentional "bad vibes" he may have gotten
from my spelling critiques. Yet YOU accused me of INTENTIONALLY trying
to make him feel rotten ("when people ridicule others"), in order "to
inflate" myself at his expense. That IS a slander, Mick--one deserving
of an gentleman's apology; I don't expect one from you, however.
When I point out another person's spelling mistakes, it is not done
"to inflate myself" at their expense; when I make mistakes that others
point out, I'm glad to have my misconception corrected. I've made
plenty of mistakes during my lifetime, and I expect that I'll make
more down the line. I'm not above deferring to an expert's opinion,
though--at times--I've found it prudent to double-check expert
opinions, just to keep them on their toes: even the experts can be
wrong (and have been). You seem to think that my purpose in
criticizing poor spelling is "self-inflation"; when your grammar
school teachers corrected your misspellings, did you assume the same
thing about them? The main reason I go out of my way to promote
correct spelling is to prevent miscommunication, and if you think that
misspellings don't matter, and that nobody'll ever have a problem
understanding anybody else despite the use of badly-spelt words, then
you are living in a fool's paradise.

I may disagree with James' interpretation regarding the directions on
Cornelius' map, but I don't think I'm "superior" to him--I think my
interpretation is superior to his, in regards to that detail;
incidentally, if they had never made any sequels to PLANET, then I
would agree unequivocally with James and conclude that "right" =
"East" on the map--it's only the line from BENEATH that prompts me to
conclude otherwise. But, contrary to your presumptuous assertion that
I somehow "think [I] am better than [all of you]", I do not. You have
a lot of gall to pretend to speak on behalf of all the other members
who post on this site ("WE all know you think you are better than
US..."--my emphasis); perhaps in your mind you actually believe it's
"everybody against Patrick" here, with Michael Whitty the self-
proclaimed "champion" who sets forth to do battle against the foe.
You're tilting against windmills, Mick, but with far less class than
Don Quixote.

Feel free to blissfully delete my postings (I assume you mean 'skip'
them); if you have any "issues" with me then why not spare the others
here your puerile vulgarities and email me directly at:
patrickmichaeltilton@....
Send me directly all the hate-email you wish, laced with as many
vulgarisms as you may care to include (i.e. "...lick my balls..."
etc.). I won't pretend to speak on behalf of the others here (as you
pretend to), but I suspect that nobody else particularly cares to be
exposed to your vulgar references to "ball-licking" and the like. Why
not send it directly to my email address, and then I can either
ignore/delete it, or answer you directly at your email address? Why
clutter up the POTA group site with your drivel?

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-21-2002

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Spelling (OT)

>Incidentally, your last posting suggested that I knew beforehand that James was dyslexic yet still insisted on "ridiculing" him. What a load of bullshit! Correcting a true mistake is not an "error"; had I known he was dyslexic I would have dropped the matter on the spot. My

apology was for any UNINTENTIONAL hurt he may have felt due to my
critique of his dyslexic spelling; your assumption that I KNEW of his
dyslexia and THEN gave him shit for his spelling is a fucking slander,
and I think I deserve an apology from YOU for that.

>Unless, that is, your slander was due to your being one of those 12 year old heroin addicts you fret over! Hell, I guess I'd cut you some slack then, Mick.

>Patrick Michael Tilton
>EARTH-TIME 4-17-2002

P.S. In Message #16847, you say: "Oh, and here's a new one for you.
The first name for Australia - New Holland. Thanks for the totally
useless history lesson - who are you trying to impress?"
For the record, I wasn't trying to "impress" you or anybody else. I
was pointing out the obvious to somebody who didn't seem to have a
clue otherwise. "Totally useless"? UseFUL, rather, for anybody who can
find a use for it.
Why aren't you "offended" by the change of name from "New Holland" to
"Australia", by the way? Shouldn't YOU sympathize with those who wish
that the offensive imposition of the latter name be revoked in favor
of its "original" name? How many New Yorkers lament the passing of the
old name of "New Amsterdam"? Not many, if any. Likewise, if fictional
future Americans were to rename your beloved "Australia" (depopulated/
reduced-to-savagery) for reasons that appeal to their patriotic
sensibilities, then it would be a "fait accompli". You don't have to
like it, any more than certain fringe Native American groups do the
use of "mascot" names for sports teams (i.e. "Redskins", "Braves",
"Sioux", etc.). It's a fact of life, so deal with it.

--- In pota@y..., "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:

> "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> > ***You mentioned "establishing shot" (I think), so I naturally
> thought
> > of that "establishing shot" from the first episode (right before the
> > first scene with Galen and Zaius), showing "Central City"--using
> > footage from PLANET (the movie). The "ruins" you're talking about
> > (i.e. both Oakland and San Francisco) were not "establishing
> shots"--
>
> They are establishing shots - one is the very first image from "The
> Trap" and the other is from before the fugitives enter the city in
> "The Legacy". See pics attached!

> Alan

*** Point well taken. However, since these two episodes take place in
roughly the same area (Oakland and San Francisco are, obviously, just
across the Bay from each other), these identical "establishing shots"
are not as "flubbish" [NEW WORD!] as they would be if they
represented, say, Oakland and Miami. I consider that shot to represent
"the Bay area" (as in B.A.R.T.: "Bay Area Rapid Transit"), which
includes both cities.

On a related topic, I have a question (especially directed to all
those who may be living in the Bay area): Although the BART station in
"The Trap" is relatively easy to pinpoint (due to the "Sutter Street"
exit information on the wall) on a map of San Francisco, the street
locations of the three main scenes from "The Legacy"--the OAKLAND
SCIENCE INSTITUTE, the "mansion" where Virdon is kept prisoner, and
the train station--are not all that easy for somebody to find on a map
of Oakland. I don't think that there even IS an "Oakland Science
Institute" building in the city (I've looked on internet search
engines, but came up nil). Does anybody out there (who has/have been
in Oakland--perhaps even LIVE there) have any idea what addresses
these three sites may/should have?

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-21-2002

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
>Congrats. You're talking about the POTA2001 DVD? Which one did you get?

>The one with all the extras. Pretty cool. I want to get the originals as well. I also have Playmate of the Apes, The Beach Boy Endless Harmony(the first DVD I ever bought and The Aventures of Buckaroo Banzai -- another one with a loads of extras. I don't know if I'm just going to get the original or buy all five on DVD. I have to see what Zira sounds like in French. I'll have to do some shopping around. Until these things come down in price, I can't by just anything.

Say, did anybody else see "JAY AND SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK"? They had a
hilarious POTA spoof in it--that is, of ORIGINAL (not Burton-
"reimagining") POTA--which I found infinitely more entertaining than
Burton's travesty.
Kevin Smith must be a true POTA fan!

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-21-2002

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:05 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update

"Apes" had simply Fox's best opening ever - but the
players are probably sizing each other up. And scratching their heads raw
like a bunch of monkeys trying to figure out a good story to tell.
     - - - Jeff

Hey Jeff, if they had a good story to tell they would tell it wrong!  Just suppose instead going to school and working on my screenplay, I wrote Apes 2 . . . The first thing they would do, after trying to screw me on the contract, would be to hire a couple of hacks to mess it up in the rewrites.  Then they would bring in a bunch of no talent high concept guys and see how they could screw it up and then, and only then, would they see how many parts they could mis-cast in it.  Then when it flopped, they would figure out a way to blame me for it, and try and see to it that I would never work in that town again.



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Some time ago, there was a debate regarding whether or not Caesar's
actions in BATTLE somehow changed the Future. Those who advocated this
mentioned that the once-"mean" Lawgiver (who wrote the Sacred Scrolls
quoted in PLANET) had thus been changed into the now-"nice" Lawgiver
portrayed by John Huston, who reads the Story of Caesar from the
scroll of scripture to a mixed-race group of Apes and Humans.

In the opening scene, when we hear him speak: "In the Beginning, God
created Beast and Man..." etc., we end up seeing ONLY this single, old
orangutan. We don't see his audience.
In the ending scene, after we fade from the shot of Caesar telling
Mandemus that they must "wait", we again see this "Lawgiver"... and
then the camera pans to the right and we finally get to see the group
of Apes and Humans, living in peace and friendship...

The only trouble is that there don't seem to be any gorillas or
orangutans in this audience of children. Why not? I see human boys and
girls; I see chimpanzee boys and girls; I do NOT see any gorilla or
orangutan boys and girls, though. If this IS meant to represent a
peaceful community of Humans and Apes, then why aren't there gorillas
or orangutans amongst these children?

Could it be that this "Lawgiver" in 2670 A.D. is "bucking a trend",
trying to foster the "peace and friendship" Ideal in the face of an
opposition (represented by the "missing" orangutans and gorillas)?

If somebody out there (James has demonstrated the capability) could do
some "frame-grabs" of the crowd of children between the Lawgiver on
the left and the statue of Caesar on the right, and post them on this
site, we'll all be able to see what I'm talking about here. One or two
of the apes look like they might have been intended as gorillas,
except for the fact that they're wearing distinctive green trousers
(exclusively "chimp" colors).

Could it be that this Lawgiver (the only orangutan present in this
2670 A.D. scene) is different from the "mainstream" of orangutan
sentiment? Maybe orangutan and gorilla children once were a part of
his audience... until the grown-up orangutans and gorillas decided
that they didn't like his message of "equality" for Apes and Humans;
perhaps even at this point there are orangutans and gorillas who
consider their respective species to be superior to Humans (and,
perhaps, to Chimpanzees as well), and don't wish for their children to
intermix with them.

It's not as if the make-ups for orangutan and gorilla children were
not available: aren't there such characters in the "classroom" scene,
where Teacher ridicules Aldo's handwriting? If they COULD have had
orangutan and gorilla children in this end scene (as is the case),
then why DIDN'T they?

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-21-2002

I was there when they filmed the cornfield hunt (which was edited with a
Cuisinart). I asked Kevin Smith and he said he loves POTA (he also was in
the Fox "Apes" special hosted by Estella Warren ). I asked him about the
supposed feud with Burton over "Superman" and he said that was blown out of
proportion. Said he liked the new "Apes" teaser poster (that's all that had
come out at the time) and was looking forward to the movie. Since then that
controversy popped up about Burton stealing the ending from a "Clerks" comic
book and probably Smith didn't like the movie. Etc. - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DVD


> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> >Congrats. You're talking about the POTA2001 DVD? Which one did you get?
>
> >The one with all the extras. Pretty cool. I want to get the originals as
well. I also have Playmate of the Apes, The Beach Boy Endless Harmony(the
first DVD I ever bought and The Aventures of Buckaroo Banzai -- another one
with a loads of extras. I don't know if I'm just going to get the original
or buy all five on DVD. I have to see what Zira sounds like in French. I'll
have to do some shopping around. Until these things come down in price, I
can't by just anything.
>
> Say, did anybody else see "JAY AND SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK"? They had a
> hilarious POTA spoof in it--that is, of ORIGINAL (not Burton-
> "reimagining") POTA--which I found infinitely more entertaining than
> Burton's travesty.
> Kevin Smith must be a true POTA fan!
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 4-21-2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

And how is your interpetation superior. You take one vague line from
a movie that is a mess with all sorts of contraditions to the
original film and that you call a superior interpetation.

--- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
wrote:

> I may disagree with James' interpretation regarding the directions

on

> Cornelius' map, but I don't think I'm "superior" to him--I think my
> interpretation is superior to his, in regards to that detail;
> incidentally, if they had never made any sequels to PLANET, then I
> would agree unequivocally with James and conclude that "right" =
> "East" on the map--it's only the line from BENEATH that prompts me

to

> conclude otherwise.

Rent "Tora, Tora Tora". Much better film that respects the history
its presenting. Plus it has a Jerry Goldsmith score.

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Speaking of which, I finally saw "Pearl Harbor" last night. What
an excruciating three hours! They put $140 million into it and 2
cents into the script. And it was written by the writer
of "Braveheart". I didn't expect much, since it was Michael Bay, but
damn that's awful! A bunch of TV miniseries contrivances shot like an
airline commercial. Which wouldn't be so bad if obviously so many
people worked so hard on it, and thought they were doing a service to
history. And now, post Sept. 11, forget about it. It's very empty.
Definitely the worst of 2001's movies I've seen. But it made
money. "Premiere" says the director cleared $30 million and bought 3
new Ferraris. Hype matters.
Etc. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LordTZer0@A...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes 2" update
>
>
>
>
> "Apes" had simply Fox's best opening ever - but the
> players are probably sizing each other up. And scratching their
heads raw
> like a bunch of monkeys trying to figure out a good story to
tell.
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> Hey Jeff, if they had a good story to tell they would tell it
wrong! Just suppose instead going to school and working on my
screenplay, I wrote Apes 2 . . . The first thing they would do, after
trying to screw me on the contract, would be to hire a couple of
hacks to mess it up in the rewrites. Then they would bring in a
bunch of no talent high concept guys and see how they could screw it
up and then, and only then, would they see how many parts they could
mis-cast in it. Then when it flopped, they would figure out a way to
blame me for it, and try and see to it that I would never work in
that town again.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

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Hey, don't worry too much about it, Pat.
I miss spell and make typo mistakes myself from time to time. People can
talk about miss spelling all they want, but I know for a fact they can't do
half the things I can do with a computer. Or know as much as do in
computers.

So in the end, I really don't give a fuck. :o)
Hey, spelling is all they have in life, So I cut them a break.

Best.
Al

>From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Spelling (OT)
>Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:43:03 -0000
>

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