4 a month, though, I've heard. Probably depends how well the first ones
sell, whether they release all of them. Etc. - -
Oscar the Grouch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 8:26 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms


> Get your piggy banks ready!
>
> I received a call yesterday from Andrew Smith of Diamond Comics
>
> He told me that the USA release of Medicom Planet of the Apes Ultra Detail
> Figures will be available in SEPTEMBER. All 18 figures.
>
> GO APE!!!
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I, too, have seen Episode 2. I found it long and tiring. The last 3rd is
good but it takes forever to get there. The first 2/3rds is still "Phantom
Menace" territory (yak, yak, yak). The opening scenes were ripped off,
excuse me, homages, to "Blade Runner" but they got a little too carried away
with the action for it to be believable (chasing the assassin). Way too much
love story. I have nothing against love stoies but it didn't go anywhere,
like the puppy love in the new "Apes"." I want to, but I can't, but maybe if
it's a secret, but NO! OK, maybe."
I didn't buy the scene with the mother but I liked the intense
pseudo-Vader stuff and especially the scene where he confesses what he did
to the Sand Yokels. Makes me hot for "Episode 3".
The theatre exploded when Yoda fought. I found unbelievable the way he
bounced around like that; the continuing saga of CG overkill.("Teenage
Mutant Ninja Turtles" did it better). But I like an audience to go wild in
a theatre and that scene paid off. The final 3rd, worth the price of
admission, but the could've trimmed the early stuff. Favorite scene: the
diner, with that big green buddy of Obi Wan's. Again, another so-so script.
But Lucas says the next one is going to be so dark and tragic that audiences
will run from the theatre, so my interest is still peaked.
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:51 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)


> The battle was a highight, agreed.
>
> Seeing the origins of Fett and the Stormtroopers was an unexpected bonus
> too.
>
> And it is kinda cool to watch a "nice guy" turn evil!
>
> And Amidala had her high beams on a few time (must have been cold!).
>
> So, Mr all grown up Ken Taylor, explain how a guy in his mid 30's who
> collects toys could have "grown out of" ANYTHING!! You ain't fooling me.
>
> Can we agree that, compared to that shit Burton churned out, Star Wars
> deserved 12 Academy Award nominations?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken and Heather Taylor [ktaylor@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 19 May 2002 7:34
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> >
> >
> > I was neither blown away or disappointed by EP2 but I didn't
> > really get into
> > it until the Jedi battle. I guess after 25 years I've finally grown out
of
> > Star Wars. My 7 year old son however thought it was pretty
cool....except
> > for the bits where they were talking. He wriggled around like a sack of
> > kittens during those bits.
> > KEN
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
> >
> >
> > > Great news!
> > > Thanks,Brian.
> > >
> > > As for Star Wars Episode 2, finaly saw it, AND IT SUCKS!
> > > After watching EP2, Jar Jar, seems to be the new star of Episode 1.
> > > God knows, at least EP1 was better than this crap. :o)
> > >
> > > What a boring ass movie. And the CGI overdose made it even worst.
> > >
> > > Spidey and Apes rule. :o)
> > >
> > > Best.
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Brian <apeman@...>
> > > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
> > > >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:26:38 -0700
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____

I don't know if I'd say the new "Star Wars" was better than POTA. Both
left me feeling kinda numb, all the effort wasted on people who can't write.
POTA probably had as many good "moments" as "Star Wars". The latter's
palette was bigger, so it was more of a knockout visually, but I give "Apes"
points that at least it was filmed lived, not built up in a computer over 2
years. Haven't seen Spidey, the CG on that doesn't look believable (like
Yoda fighting and apes flying around, they gotta learn to pull back).
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:51 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)


> The battle was a highight, agreed.
>
> Seeing the origins of Fett and the Stormtroopers was an unexpected bonus
> too.
>
> And it is kinda cool to watch a "nice guy" turn evil!
>
> And Amidala had her high beams on a few time (must have been cold!).
>
> So, Mr all grown up Ken Taylor, explain how a guy in his mid 30's who
> collects toys could have "grown out of" ANYTHING!! You ain't fooling me.
>
> Can we agree that, compared to that shit Burton churned out, Star Wars
> deserved 12 Academy Award nominations?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken and Heather Taylor [ktaylor@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 19 May 2002 7:34
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> >
> >
> > I was neither blown away or disappointed by EP2 but I didn't
> > really get into
> > it until the Jedi battle. I guess after 25 years I've finally grown out
of
> > Star Wars. My 7 year old son however thought it was pretty
cool....except
> > for the bits where they were talking. He wriggled around like a sack of
> > kittens during those bits.
> > KEN
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
> >
> >
> > > Great news!
> > > Thanks,Brian.
> > >
> > > As for Star Wars Episode 2, finaly saw it, AND IT SUCKS!
> > > After watching EP2, Jar Jar, seems to be the new star of Episode 1.
> > > God knows, at least EP1 was better than this crap. :o)
> > >
> > > What a boring ass movie. And the CGI overdose made it even worst.
> > >
> > > Spidey and Apes rule. :o)
> > >
> > > Best.
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Brian <apeman@...>
> > > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
> > > >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:26:38 -0700
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:51 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)

The battle was a highight, agreed.

Seeing the origins of Fett and the Stormtroopers was an unexpected bonus
too.

And it is kinda cool to watch a "nice guy" turn evil!

And Amidala had her high beams on a few time (must have been cold!).

So, Mr all grown up Ken Taylor, explain how a guy in his mid 30's who
collects toys could have "grown out of" ANYTHING!!  You ain't fooling me.

Can we agree that, compared to that shit Burton churned out, Star Wars
deserved 12 Academy Award nominations?

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken and Heather Taylor [ktaylor@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 19 May 2002 7:34
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>
>
> I was neither blown away or disappointed by EP2 but I didn't
> really get into
> it until the Jedi battle. I guess after 25 years I've finally grown out of
> Star Wars. My 7 year old son however thought it was pretty cool....except
> for the bits where they were talking. He wriggled around like a sack of
> kittens during those bits.
> KEN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
>
>
> > Great news!
> > Thanks,Brian.
> >
> > As for Star Wars Episode 2, finaly saw it, AND IT SUCKS!
> > After watching EP2, Jar Jar, seems to be the new star of Episode 1.
> > God knows, at least EP1 was better than this crap. :o)
> >
> > What a boring ass movie. And the CGI overdose made it even worst.
> >
> > Spidey and Apes rule. :o)
> >
> > Best.
> > Al
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Brian <apeman@...>
> > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
> > >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:26:38 -0700
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____> >

Story wise, the moive is really good. I have too admit that. It does explain
a lot leading up to the original trilogy. (boring at times, but otherwise
good info) Now visualy, it is a CGI overkill and overdose. Just too much for
me.

And I agree with, Jeff.
At least POTA 2001 was all real sets and makeups. And low and behold you
have Tim Burton's opinion on the DVD commentaries about CGI overkill.

And you know what?
He was so right.

Star Wars Episode 1 and 2, is just a freaken CGI nightmare.

The high point of the evening, seeing the trailer to The Matrix 2, for 2003.
And that was about it.


Best.
Al

>From: "Mike Le Master" <mslpel5@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:17:23 -0400
>
>I thought Episode II was absolutely amazing. It blew me away. I didn't
>find it the least bit slow or boring. I think it is better than any other
>SW movie (even TESB). I had no idea it was gonna be so good.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:51 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>
>
> The battle was a highight, agreed.
>
> Seeing the origins of Fett and the Stormtroopers was an unexpected bonus
> too.
>
> And it is kinda cool to watch a "nice guy" turn evil!
>
> And Amidala had her high beams on a few time (must have been cold!).
>
> So, Mr all grown up Ken Taylor, explain how a guy in his mid 30's who
> collects toys could have "grown out of" ANYTHING!! You ain't fooling
>me.
>
> Can we agree that, compared to that shit Burton churned out, Star Wars
> deserved 12 Academy Award nominations?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken and Heather Taylor [ktaylor@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 19 May 2002 7:34
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> >
> >
> > I was neither blown away or disappointed by EP2 but I didn't
> > really get into
> > it until the Jedi battle. I guess after 25 years I've finally grown
>out of
> > Star Wars. My 7 year old son however thought it was pretty
>cool....except
> > for the bits where they were talking. He wriggled around like a sack
>of
> > kittens during those bits.
> > KEN
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
> >
> >
> > > Great news!
> > > Thanks,Brian.
> > >
> > > As for Star Wars Episode 2, finaly saw it, AND IT SUCKS!
> > > After watching EP2, Jar Jar, seems to be the new star of Episode 1.
> > > God knows, at least EP1 was better than this crap. :o)
> > >
> > > What a boring ass movie. And the CGI overdose made it even worst.
> > >
> > > Spidey and Apes rule. :o)
> > >
> > > Best.
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Brian <apeman@...>
> > > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
> > > >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:26:38 -0700
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____

_____

Attachments :

Wouldn't it be funny if Lucus re-releases all 3 episodes 10 years from now,
as he did with the original trilogy, but this time replacing all CGI with
real sets and charaters. :o)

Now that would be funny.

Best.
Al

>From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:58:52 -0400
>

_____

In a message dated 5/18/02 11:18:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
mslpel5@... writes:

<< I thought Episode II was absolutely amazing. It blew me away. I didn't
find it the least bit slow or boring. I think it is better than any other SW
movie (even TESB). I had no idea it was gonna be so good. >>

I enjoyed it. I like it more than Menace and Jedi, but Empire will still
always be my favorite. I didn't like the 'bug' scene. SPOILER - If you're
going to cut a hole in a window right by Senator Amidala, why not just put a
gun through the hole and shoot her? Bugs schmugs.

-Joe

In a message dated 5/18/02 11:59:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
calima5021com@... writes:

<< The high point of the evening, seeing the trailer to The Matrix 2, for
2003.
And that was about it. >>

The trailer for the 2 Matrix 2s, maybe?

-GoTaS

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Or better yet.
Since those flying cars do in fact huver, as did Obi-Wan when he was looking
for Anikin at one point.
Just huver by her bedroom window and launch a rocket right into her bedroom
and blast the bitch right out of her bed!

Hey, works for me. :o)

Best.
Al

>From: CheeseGOTAS@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 01:15:18 EDT
>

_____

In a message dated 5/19/02 12:24:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
calima5021com@... writes:

<< Or better yet.
Since those flying cars do in fact huver, as did Obi-Wan when he was looking
for Anikin at one point.
Just huver by her bedroom window and launch a rocket right into her bedroom
and blast the bitch right out of her bed!

Hey, works for me. :o)

Best.
Al >>

Exactly. No need to be sneaky. Just get the job done!

-GoTaS

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And now that it wasn't done.
We're now stuck with another freaken CGI sequel!

DAMN YOU, LUCAS! :o)

Best.
Al

>From: CheeseGOTAS@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 01:25:36 EDT
>

_____

Now this attitude would put an end to every James Bond sequel!

You gotta tie 'em to the train track fellas.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CheeseGOTAS@... [CheeseGOTAS@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 19 May 2002 15:26
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>
>
> In a message dated 5/19/02 12:24:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
> calima5021com@... writes:
>
> << Or better yet.
> Since those flying cars do in fact huver, as did Obi-Wan when he
> was looking
> for Anikin at one point.
> Just huver by her bedroom window and launch a rocket right into
> her bedroom
> and blast the bitch right out of her bed!
>
> Hey, works for me. :o)
>
> Best.
> Al >>
>
> Exactly. No need to be sneaky. Just get the job done!
>
> -GoTaS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

There was some good trailers: "Matrix 2", "Men in Black 2", even
"Undercover Brother" (a black Austin Powers). That's what Hollywood does
best these days, trailers. Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)


> Story wise, the moive is really good. I have too admit that. It does
explain
> a lot leading up to the original trilogy. (boring at times, but otherwise
> good info) Now visualy, it is a CGI overkill and overdose. Just too much
for
> me.
>
> And I agree with, Jeff.
> At least POTA 2001 was all real sets and makeups. And low and behold you
> have Tim Burton's opinion on the DVD commentaries about CGI overkill.
>
> And you know what?
> He was so right.
>
> Star Wars Episode 1 and 2, is just a freaken CGI nightmare.
>
> The high point of the evening, seeing the trailer to The Matrix 2, for
2003.
> And that was about it.
>
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
>
> >From: "Mike Le Master" <mslpel5@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> >Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:17:23 -0400
> >
> >I thought Episode II was absolutely amazing. It blew me away. I didn't
> >find it the least bit slow or boring. I think it is better than any
other
> >SW movie (even TESB). I had no idea it was gonna be so good.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Whitty
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:51 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> >
> >
> > The battle was a highight, agreed.
> >
> > Seeing the origins of Fett and the Stormtroopers was an unexpected
bonus
> > too.
> >
> > And it is kinda cool to watch a "nice guy" turn evil!
> >
> > And Amidala had her high beams on a few time (must have been cold!).
> >
> > So, Mr all grown up Ken Taylor, explain how a guy in his mid 30's who
> > collects toys could have "grown out of" ANYTHING!! You ain't fooling
> >me.
> >
> > Can we agree that, compared to that shit Burton churned out, Star Wars
> > deserved 12 Academy Award nominations?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ken and Heather Taylor [ktaylor@...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 19 May 2002 7:34
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > >
> > >
> > > I was neither blown away or disappointed by EP2 but I didn't
> > > really get into
> > > it until the Jedi battle. I guess after 25 years I've finally grown
> >out of
> > > Star Wars. My 7 year old son however thought it was pretty
> >cool....except
> > > for the bits where they were talking. He wriggled around like a sack
> >of
> > > kittens during those bits.
> > > KEN
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
> > >
> > >
> > > > Great news!
> > > > Thanks,Brian.
> > > >
> > > > As for Star Wars Episode 2, finaly saw it, AND IT SUCKS!
> > > > After watching EP2, Jar Jar, seems to be the new star of Episode
1.
> > > > God knows, at least EP1 was better than this crap. :o)
> > > >
> > > > What a boring ass movie. And the CGI overdose made it even worst.
> > > >
> > > > Spidey and Apes rule. :o)
> > > >
> > > > Best.
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Brian <apeman@...>
> > > > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
> > > > >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:26:38 -0700
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____ > _____

Lucas is supposedly filming new stuff during these prequels to put in the
original 3. I guess they'll be Special Special Editions on DVD. I've heard
they're on preproduction on "Indiana Jones 4", which will come out in 2004,
then the last "Star Wars" in 2005, a kind of "This Is Your Life". Then he
turns 60 and does experimental films the rest of his life. That's the plan.
Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)


> Wouldn't it be funny if Lucus re-releases all 3 episodes 10 years from
now,
> as he did with the original trilogy, but this time replacing all CGI with
> real sets and charaters. :o)
>
> Now that would be funny.
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
>
> >From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> >Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:58:52 -0400
> >
>
>
>
>
> _____

So did Harrison Ford sign up for Indiana Jones 4?

I'm sure he did - I couldn't imagine anyone else trying.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Monday, 20 May 2002 1:09
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>
>
> Lucas is supposedly filming new stuff during these prequels to put in the
> original 3. I guess they'll be Special Special Editions on DVD. I've heard
> they're on preproduction on "Indiana Jones 4", which will come
> out in 2004,
> then the last "Star Wars" in 2005, a kind of "This Is Your Life". Then he
> turns 60 and does experimental films the rest of his life. That's
> the plan.
> Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>
>
> > Wouldn't it be funny if Lucus re-releases all 3 episodes 10 years from
> now,
> > as he did with the original trilogy, but this time replacing
> all CGI with
> > real sets and charaters. :o)
> >
> > Now that would be funny.
> >
> > Best.
> > Al
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > >Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:58:52 -0400
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____

Yeah, Ford, Lucas and Spielberg have all wanted to do it but the stumbling
block has always been the script (though that hasn't stopped other Hollywood
franchises). Now they have a story they like and a script is being written;
there's been reports of locations scouts in Arizona. Sounds like they're
doing it so Lucas can wrap up "Jones" and "Star Wars" at the same time. Sean
Connery will return and there's supposedly a scene with the girlfriends
(Karen Allen, Kate Capshaw). Even Pat Roach, that big bald dude he fought by
the plane, will be back. Sounds like a class reunion. Pencil me
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 2:46 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)


> So did Harrison Ford sign up for Indiana Jones 4?
>
> I'm sure he did - I couldn't imagine anyone else trying.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > Sent: Monday, 20 May 2002 1:09
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> >
> >
> > Lucas is supposedly filming new stuff during these prequels to put in
the
> > original 3. I guess they'll be Special Special Editions on DVD. I've
heard
> > they're on preproduction on "Indiana Jones 4", which will come
> > out in 2004,
> > then the last "Star Wars" in 2005, a kind of "This Is Your Life". Then
he
> > turns 60 and does experimental films the rest of his life. That's
> > the plan.
> > Etc. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 10:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> >
> >
> > > Wouldn't it be funny if Lucus re-releases all 3 episodes 10 years from
> > now,
> > > as he did with the original trilogy, but this time replacing
> > all CGI with
> > > real sets and charaters. :o)
> > >
> > > Now that would be funny.
> > >
> > > Best.
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > > >Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:58:52 -0400
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____

One more thing and then we'll get back to POTA. I've heard they're filming
"Mad Max 4" in Africa this fall, and that Mr. Gibson wants to do it. I'm
looking forward to that one. "Mad Max" was the POTA of the '80's for me (end
of the world, leather outfits, bad attitude). I feel like I'm dying and my
movie life is flashing before my eyes. Hollywood won't rest until it brings
everything back. Etc. - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 2:46 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)


> So did Harrison Ford sign up for Indiana Jones 4?
>
> I'm sure he did - I couldn't imagine anyone else trying.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > Sent: Monday, 20 May 2002 1:09
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> >
> >
> > Lucas is supposedly filming new stuff during these prequels to put in
the
> > original 3. I guess they'll be Special Special Editions on DVD. I've
heard
> > they're on preproduction on "Indiana Jones 4", which will come
> > out in 2004,
> > then the last "Star Wars" in 2005, a kind of "This Is Your Life". Then
he
> > turns 60 and does experimental films the rest of his life. That's
> > the plan.
> > Etc. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 10:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> >
> >
> > > Wouldn't it be funny if Lucus re-releases all 3 episodes 10 years from
> > now,
> > > as he did with the original trilogy, but this time replacing
> > all CGI with
> > > real sets and charaters. :o)
> > >
> > > Now that would be funny.
> > >
> > > Best.
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > > >Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:58:52 -0400
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____

Speak of the devil, www.comingsoon.com has an item that Frank Darabont
will write "Indy 4". Of course he's the director of "Shawshank Redemption",
"The Green Mile"(starring Michael "Attar" Duncan) and was one of the
finalists to direct "Apes" before Burton got the gig. And he has a
collection of Mego "Ape" figures. Wrote for the "Indy Jones" TV show as
well. But I digress. Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)


> Yeah, Ford, Lucas and Spielberg have all wanted to do it but the
stumbling
> block has always been the script (though that hasn't stopped other
Hollywood
> franchises). Now they have a story they like and a script is being
written;
> there's been reports of locations scouts in Arizona. Sounds like they're
> doing it so Lucas can wrap up "Jones" and "Star Wars" at the same time.
Sean
> Connery will return and there's supposedly a scene with the girlfriends
> (Karen Allen, Kate Capshaw). Even Pat Roach, that big bald dude he fought
by
> the plane, will be back. Sounds like a class reunion. Pencil me
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 2:46 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>
>
> > So did Harrison Ford sign up for Indiana Jones 4?
> >
> > I'm sure he did - I couldn't imagine anyone else trying.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > > Sent: Monday, 20 May 2002 1:09
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > >
> > >
> > > Lucas is supposedly filming new stuff during these prequels to put in
> the
> > > original 3. I guess they'll be Special Special Editions on DVD. I've
> heard
> > > they're on preproduction on "Indiana Jones 4", which will come
> > > out in 2004,
> > > then the last "Star Wars" in 2005, a kind of "This Is Your Life". Then
> he
> > > turns 60 and does experimental films the rest of his life. That's
> > > the plan.
> > > Etc. - - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 10:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Wouldn't it be funny if Lucus re-releases all 3 episodes 10 years
from
> > > now,
> > > > as he did with the original trilogy, but this time replacing
> > > all CGI with
> > > > real sets and charaters. :o)
> > > >
> > > > Now that would be funny.
> > > >
> > > > Best.
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > > > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > > > >Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:58:52 -0400
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____

Sorry, I'm sure everyone's tired of box office reports but this is pretty
phenominal. No surprise, "Star Wars" was #1 with an estimated $116 million
over the 4 days and an $86 million weekend. But Mr. Spidey, in his third
weekend, with everyone apparantly having seen it twice already, took in $46
million, for a grand total of $286 m. That's almost $100 m. a week. At this
rate, if there's an "Apes" sequel they will be jumping around in red and
blue costumes and clinging to walls. I wouldn't put it past Fox.
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)


> Speak of the devil, www.comingsoon.com has an item that Frank Darabont
> will write "Indy 4". Of course he's the director of "Shawshank
Redemption",
> "The Green Mile"(starring Michael "Attar" Duncan) and was one of the
> finalists to direct "Apes" before Burton got the gig. And he has a
> collection of Mego "Ape" figures. Wrote for the "Indy Jones" TV show as
> well. But I digress. Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <veetus@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>
>
> > Yeah, Ford, Lucas and Spielberg have all wanted to do it but the
> stumbling
> > block has always been the script (though that hasn't stopped other
> Hollywood
> > franchises). Now they have a story they like and a script is being
> written;
> > there's been reports of locations scouts in Arizona. Sounds like they're
> > doing it so Lucas can wrap up "Jones" and "Star Wars" at the same time.
> Sean
> > Connery will return and there's supposedly a scene with the girlfriends
> > (Karen Allen, Kate Capshaw). Even Pat Roach, that big bald dude he
fought
> by
> > the plane, will be back. Sounds like a class reunion. Pencil me
> > - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 2:46 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> >
> >
> > > So did Harrison Ford sign up for Indiana Jones 4?
> > >
> > > I'm sure he did - I couldn't imagine anyone else trying.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > > > Sent: Monday, 20 May 2002 1:09
> > > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lucas is supposedly filming new stuff during these prequels to put
in
> > the
> > > > original 3. I guess they'll be Special Special Editions on DVD. I've
> > heard
> > > > they're on preproduction on "Indiana Jones 4", which will come
> > > > out in 2004,
> > > > then the last "Star Wars" in 2005, a kind of "This Is Your Life".
Then
> > he
> > > > turns 60 and does experimental films the rest of his life. That's
> > > > the plan.
> > > > Etc. - - - Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 10:12 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Wouldn't it be funny if Lucus re-releases all 3 episodes 10 years
> from
> > > > now,
> > > > > as he did with the original trilogy, but this time replacing
> > > > all CGI with
> > > > > real sets and charaters. :o)
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that would be funny.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best.
> > > > > Al
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> > > > > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > > > > >Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:58:52 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _____

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I've heard they're filming "Mad Max 4" in Africa this fall, and that Mr. Gibson wants to do it.

I had heard they couldn't afford Mel now.  Did they come to an agreement on his salary that will fit into the budget?  Is he going to take a cut?  Or did they get a bigger budget greenlighted?

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:05 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)

I've heard they're filming "Mad Max 4" in Africa this fall, and that Mr. Gibson wants to do it.

I had heard they couldn't afford Mel now.  Did they come to an agreement on his salary that will fit into the budget?  Is he going to take a cut?  Or did they get a bigger budget greenlighted?

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:05 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)

I've heard they're filming "Mad Max 4" in Africa this fall, and that Mr. Gibson wants to do it.

I had heard they couldn't afford Mel now.  Did they come to an agreement on his salary that will fit into the budget?  Is he going to take a cut?  Or did they get a bigger budget greenlighted?

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

Thanks Jeff.

Just relised most of the responses I made today went to individuals
and not the group - sorry! When I send from work it goes out from my
server's website and it does not automatically go to the group.

I'll post something on the official site to ask who the fans need to
get in touch with. You never know.

--- veetus@... wrote:

> The address is www.planetoftheapes.com . I haven't really looked

around

> but I went to "Ape Hypothosis" I think it was, and then

to "Discuss".

> Current topic: Is there a connection between the kid ape that is

reprimanded

> by Ari and the one taking pictures at the end (Burton favors both

with

> close-ups). Suggesting, I guess, parallel worlds. Maybe the

official site is

> the place to leave posts where someone high up might read them.
> Etc. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <veetus@...>
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"
>
>
> > What's the web address again?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > Has anyone been to the official website lately? They've kinda
> > changed it
> > > around and there's even message boards now. Like they suddenly
> > realized tha
> > > t being a corporate monolith doesn't pay and they're trying to
> > cultivate fa
> > > ndom, such as Lucas is doing.
> > Etc. - -
> > > - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: LordTZer0@...
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:05 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I've heard they're filming "Mad Max 4" in Africa this fall,

and

> > that Mr
> > > .. Gibson wants to do it.
> > >
> > >
> > > I had heard they couldn't afford Mel now. Did they come to an
> > agreement
> > > on his salary that will fit into the budget? Is he going to

take a

> > cut? O
> > > r did they get a bigger budget greenlighted?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > Service.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Go to the "Apes Insight" section. There's 3 choices. "Aquire" allows you
to buy the video (how thoughtful!). "Discuss" is the message board.
"Research" shows an elaborate timeline of the "tsunami". Pretty cool update
to hawk the video. But they don't mention Mr. Quick's "The Fall" book.
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"


> Thanks Jeff.
>
> Just relised most of the responses I made today went to individuals
> and not the group - sorry! When I send from work it goes out from my
> server's website and it does not automatically go to the group.
>
> I'll post something on the official site to ask who the fans need to
> get in touch with. You never know.
>
> --- veetus@... wrote:
> > The address is www.planetoftheapes.com . I haven't really looked
> around
> > but I went to "Ape Hypothosis" I think it was, and then
> to "Discuss".
> > Current topic: Is there a connection between the kid ape that is
> reprimanded
> > by Ari and the one taking pictures at the end (Burton favors both
> with
> > close-ups). Suggesting, I guess, parallel worlds. Maybe the
> official site is
> > the place to leave posts where someone high up might read them.
> > Etc. - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <whitty@...>
> > To: <veetus@...>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"
> >
> >
> > > What's the web address again?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > Has anyone been to the official website lately? They've kinda
> > > changed it
> > > > around and there's even message boards now. Like they suddenly
> > > realized tha
> > > > t being a corporate monolith doesn't pay and they're trying to
> > > cultivate fa
> > > > ndom, such as Lucas is doing.
> > > Etc. - -
> > > > - Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: LordTZer0@...
> > > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:05 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've heard they're filming "Mad Max 4" in Africa this fall,
> and
> > > that Mr
> > > > .. Gibson wants to do it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I had heard they couldn't afford Mel now. Did they come to an
> > > agreement
> > > > on his salary that will fit into the budget? Is he going to
> take a
> > > cut? O
> > > > r did they get a bigger budget greenlighted?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > > Service.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlBut if they can shoot in Africa it sounds like their budget ain't bad.

Somehow I doubt it.  Austrailia use to have a a fantastic film making community.   It's probably cheaper to make it in Africa than in the Hollywood jr that Fox has turned Austrailia into.<.html

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Is there a connection between the kid ape that is
reprimanded by Ari and the one taking pictures at the end

Yes, there is a connection with both of them and with Thade's niece as well.
They're all played by Deep Roy.

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.html But if they can shoot in Africa it sounds like their budget ain't bad.

Somehow I doubt it.  Austrailia use to have a a fantastic film making community.   It's probably cheaper to make it in Africa than in the Hollywood jr that Fox has turned Austrailia into.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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Hope they do better than that stupid "Beyond Thunderdome".

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Monday, 20 May 2002 8:01
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>
>
> One more thing and then we'll get back to POTA. I've heard
> they're filming
> "Mad Max 4" in Africa this fall, and that Mr. Gibson wants to do it. I'm
> looking forward to that one. "Mad Max" was the POTA of the '80's
> for me (end
> of the world, leather outfits, bad attitude). I feel like I'm dying and my
> movie life is flashing before my eyes. Hollywood won't rest until
> it brings
> everything back. Etc. - - Jeff
>

Maybe he should direct Apes 2.

"Shawshank Redemption" and "The Green Mile" are two of my all time favourite
movies.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Monday, 20 May 2002 8:11
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
>
>
> Speak of the devil, www.comingsoon.com has an item that Frank Darabont
> will write "Indy 4". Of course he's the director of "Shawshank
> Redemption",
> "The Green Mile"(starring Michael "Attar" Duncan) and was one of the
> finalists to direct "Apes" before Burton got the gig. And he has a
> collection of Mego "Ape" figures. Wrote for the "Indy Jones" TV show as
> well. But I digress. Etc. - - - Jeff

Jeff

All I get is a "navigate" option that brings up "About the DVD", "Win a
Prop", "Multimedia", "Downloads", "Abut the Movie", "Gallery" and
"Register". Do I start with one of these??????
Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Monday, 20 May 2002 15:52
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"
>
>
> Go to the "Apes Insight" section. There's 3 choices. "Aquire" allows you
> to buy the video (how thoughtful!). "Discuss" is the message board.
> "Research" shows an elaborate timeline of the "tsunami". Pretty
> cool update
> to hawk the video. But they don't mention Mr. Quick's "The Fall" book.
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"
>
>
> > Thanks Jeff.
> >
> > Just relised most of the responses I made today went to individuals
> > and not the group - sorry! When I send from work it goes out from my
> > server's website and it does not automatically go to the group.
> >
> > I'll post something on the official site to ask who the fans need to
> > get in touch with. You never know.
> >
> > --- veetus@... wrote:
> > > The address is www.planetoftheapes.com . I haven't really looked
> > around
> > > but I went to "Ape Hypothosis" I think it was, and then
> > to "Discuss".
> > > Current topic: Is there a connection between the kid ape that is
> > reprimanded
> > > by Ari and the one taking pictures at the end (Burton favors both
> > with
> > > close-ups). Suggesting, I guess, parallel worlds. Maybe the
> > official site is
> > > the place to leave posts where someone high up might read them.
> > > Etc. - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > To: <veetus@...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"
> > >
> > >
> > > > What's the web address again?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > Has anyone been to the official website lately? They've kinda
> > > > changed it
> > > > > around and there's even message boards now. Like they suddenly
> > > > realized tha
> > > > > t being a corporate monolith doesn't pay and they're trying to
> > > > cultivate fa
> > > > > ndom, such as Lucas is doing.
> > > > Etc. - -
> > > > > - Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: LordTZer0@...
> > > > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:05 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I've heard they're filming "Mad Max 4" in Africa this fall,
> > and
> > > > that Mr
> > > > > .. Gibson wants to do it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I had heard they couldn't afford Mel now. Did they come to an
> > > > agreement
> > > > > on his salary that will fit into the budget? Is he going to
> > take a
> > > > cut? O
> > > > > r did they get a bigger budget greenlighted?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > > > Service.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>

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Hope they do better than that stupid "Beyond Thunderdome".

Mel is nothing with out the car.  The Car!!!!

The Last of the V8 Interceptors!  Ahhhhhghghghghghg . . .
Sorry, I'm not really a car freak, but that one makes me drool.
I'd take it over the Mach 5 or the Batmobile anyday.
Shame the blower cut-out wouldn't work proprerly
and they had to fake it with an electric motor.
Look for the battery in the bucket in the first garage shot
in the original Mad Max.

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All I get is a "navigate" option that brings up "About the DVD", "Win a
Prop", "Multimedia", "Downloads", "Abut the Movie", "Gallery" and
"Register".  Do I start with one of these??????

The only chats I saw was with the stars.
I'll have to take another look for the elusive message board.

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:56 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"

  

Is there a connection between the kid ape that is
reprimanded by Ari and the one taking pictures at the end

Yes, there is a connection with both of them and with Thade's niece as well.
They're all played by Deep Roy.

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He's going to do "Farenheit 461", a long time pet project of...what do you
know, Mel Gibson. Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 2:31 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA 2 Director.


> Maybe he should direct Apes 2.
>
> "Shawshank Redemption" and "The Green Mile" are two of my all time
favourite
> movies.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > Sent: Monday, 20 May 2002 8:11
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> >
> >
> > Speak of the devil, www.comingsoon.com has an item that Frank Darabont
> > will write "Indy 4". Of course he's the director of "Shawshank
> > Redemption",
> > "The Green Mile"(starring Michael "Attar" Duncan) and was one of the
> > finalists to direct "Apes" before Burton got the gig. And he has a
> > collection of Mego "Ape" figures. Wrote for the "Indy Jones" TV show as
> > well. But I digress. Etc. - - - Jeff
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Oh, yeah. Sorry about that. Go to "About the Movie", then "Ape Insight",
etc. Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 2:56 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"


> Jeff
>
> All I get is a "navigate" option that brings up "About the DVD", "Win a
> Prop", "Multimedia", "Downloads", "Abut the Movie", "Gallery" and
> "Register". Do I start with one of these??????
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > Sent: Monday, 20 May 2002 15:52
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"
> >
> >
> > Go to the "Apes Insight" section. There's 3 choices. "Aquire" allows
you
> > to buy the video (how thoughtful!). "Discuss" is the message board.
> > "Research" shows an elaborate timeline of the "tsunami". Pretty
> > cool update
> > to hawk the video. But they don't mention Mr. Quick's "The Fall" book.
> > - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <whitty@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Jeff.
> > >
> > > Just relised most of the responses I made today went to individuals
> > > and not the group - sorry! When I send from work it goes out from my
> > > server's website and it does not automatically go to the group.
> > >
> > > I'll post something on the official site to ask who the fans need to
> > > get in touch with. You never know.
> > >
> > > --- veetus@... wrote:
> > > > The address is www.planetoftheapes.com . I haven't really looked
> > > around
> > > > but I went to "Ape Hypothosis" I think it was, and then
> > > to "Discuss".
> > > > Current topic: Is there a connection between the kid ape that is
> > > reprimanded
> > > > by Ari and the one taking pictures at the end (Burton favors both
> > > with
> > > > close-ups). Suggesting, I guess, parallel worlds. Maybe the
> > > official site is
> > > > the place to leave posts where someone high up might read them.
> > > > Etc. - - Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > To: <veetus@...>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:41 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > What's the web address again?
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > > Has anyone been to the official website lately? They've kinda
> > > > > changed it
> > > > > > around and there's even message boards now. Like they suddenly
> > > > > realized tha
> > > > > > t being a corporate monolith doesn't pay and they're trying to
> > > > > cultivate fa
> > > > > > ndom, such as Lucas is doing.
> > > > > Etc. - -
> > > > > > - Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: LordTZer0@...
> > > > > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:05 PM
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> > > > > > I've heard they're filming "Mad Max 4" in Africa this fall,
> > > and
> > > > > that Mr
> > > > > > .. Gibson wants to do it.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > I had heard they couldn't afford Mel now. Did they come to an
> > > > > agreement
> > > > > > on his salary that will fit into the budget? Is he going to
> > > take a
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> > > > > > r did they get a bigger budget greenlighted?
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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 5:23 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"

  Very good! "You go to the head of the class". But they mean, are they connected in the story, the same ape or something like that? Etc.              - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:56 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"

  

Is there a connection between the kid ape that is
reprimanded by Ari and the one taking pictures at the end

Yes, there is a connection with both of them and with Thade's niece as well.
They're all played by Deep Roy.

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>From: <veetus@...>
>Subject: Re: POTA 2 Director.
>He's going to do "Farenheit 461", a long time pet project of...what do you
>know, Mel Gibson. Etc. - - - Jeff

Would that be the sequel to Farenheit 451? :)

Yeah, 451. You know, those numbers.Etc. - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Handley" <handleyr@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1060


> >From: <veetus@...>
> >Subject: Re: POTA 2 Director.
> >He's going to do "Farenheit 461", a long time pet project of...what do
you
> >know, Mel Gibson. Etc. - - - Jeff
>
> Would that be the sequel to Farenheit 451? :)
>
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Since Rory isn't here to tell us these things, I thought I'd mention that
May 21 is the 35th Anniversary of the first day of filming the original
POTA. They filmed that day in Paige, Arizona, filming the actors in the
desert; Dodge passed out from the heat. 33 years later, Burton's POTA also
filmed in Paige, Arizona their first day. Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"


> Thanks Jeff.
>
> Just relised most of the responses I made today went to individuals
> and not the group - sorry! When I send from work it goes out from my
> server's website and it does not automatically go to the group.
>
> I'll post something on the official site to ask who the fans need to
> get in touch with. You never know.
>
> --- veetus@... wrote:
> > The address is www.planetoftheapes.com . I haven't really looked
> around
> > but I went to "Ape Hypothosis" I think it was, and then
> to "Discuss".
> > Current topic: Is there a connection between the kid ape that is
> reprimanded
> > by Ari and the one taking pictures at the end (Burton favors both
> with
> > close-ups). Suggesting, I guess, parallel worlds. Maybe the
> official site is
> > the place to leave posts where someone high up might read them.
> > Etc. - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <whitty@...>
> > To: <veetus@...>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"
> >
> >
> > > What's the web address again?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > Has anyone been to the official website lately? They've kinda
> > > changed it
> > > > around and there's even message boards now. Like they suddenly
> > > realized tha
> > > > t being a corporate monolith doesn't pay and they're trying to
> > > cultivate fa
> > > > ndom, such as Lucas is doing.
> > > Etc. - -
> > > > - Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: LordTZer0@...
> > > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:05 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ep2 (OT)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've heard they're filming "Mad Max 4" in Africa this fall,
> and
> > > that Mr
> > > > .. Gibson wants to do it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I had heard they couldn't afford Mel now. Did they come to an
> > > agreement
> > > > on his salary that will fit into the budget? Is he going to
> take a
> > > cut? O
> > > > r did they get a bigger budget greenlighted?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > > Service.
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  Very good! "You go to the head of the class". But they mean, are they connected

   in the story, the same ape or something like that? Etc.

I knew what they meant.
I guess that joke was a little too subtle for you Jeff.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:51 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Surprise! This is about "Apes"

 

  Very good! "You go to the head of the class". But they mean, are they connected

   in the story, the same ape or something like that? Etc.

I knew what they meant.
I guess that joke was a little too subtle for you Jeff.



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Where is Rory anyway? Lost in the Forbidden Zone?

Matt

He's taking an extended vacation. I think he's supposed to be back at the
end of the month. Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Back in the Day


> Where is Rory anyway? Lost in the Forbidden Zone?
>
> Matt
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POTA was on the front pages of both "The Hollywood Reporter" and "Variety"
on Monday as they posted the top 3-day non-holiday weekends. Even with
"Attack of the Clones" POTA is still #4 (behind "Spidey", "Potter" and
"Clones") of the all-time openers. It's still staring Fox in the face that
folks will go to an "Ape" movie if only they'd do a good one.
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Back in the Day


> He's taking an extended vacation. I think he's supposed to be back at the
> end of the month. Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MTotsky@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 6:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Back in the Day
>
>
> > Where is Rory anyway? Lost in the Forbidden Zone?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
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They filmed that day in Paige, Arizona, filming the actors in the
desert; Dodge, played by Jeff Burton, passed out from the heat. 33 years
later, Burton's POTA also filmed in Paige, Arizona their first day. On
the way to the set, Tim Burton was passed by a Dodge. Coincidence? I
think not.

ABMAC

On Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 12:11 AM, <veetus@...> wrote:

> Since Rory isn't here to tell us these things, I thought I'd mention
> that
> May 21 is the 35th Anniversary of the first day of filming the original
> POTA. They filmed that day in Paige, Arizona, filming the actors in the
> desert; Dodge passed out from the heat. 33 years later, Burton's POTA
> also
> filmed in Paige, Arizona their first day. Etc. - - - Jeff

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:

>
> It seems that as early as this time (some 27 years after CONQUEST), there is already a stigma against the use of "high tech" in favor of a more "Earth-friendly" era of non-polluting low tech (horse-and-buggy, exhausting physical labor--by humans, etc.).
>
> Yes, very true... (Here I go again using the books as "canon".) But in the novelization of Battle, it tells of thoughts running thru Mc Donald's head. It tells of him thinking how literally "explosive" the Apes armory is, "explosive" because it's lit by oil lamps (and as such, it could easily be detonated should a fire start in there...)
> It goes on to say how the apes won't even allow electricity in their homes, because it's "too much of a 'human thing' " and that it's associated with the cattle prods, etc.. used to "condition" the apes in their former lives. One can see where they'd shun those things though, if the tech is seen as "guilty by association". (Associated with the "evil" culture of Man, his cruelty towards the Apes (and nature in general), and ultimately, his use of technology in the destruction of himself.)
>
> So, you are absolutely right when you criticize my implying that the Ape culture "aped" our high-tech civilization. Obviously, they did NOT "ape" our society as it was when it was at its high-tech pinnacle: they purposely set up an "edenic" society which dwelt in an agricultural setting, eschewing all high-tech (save those remnants which were watched over by Mandemus).The Apes created their own culture, purposely low-tech, and those useful humans who knew things that Caesar wanted his simian people to know were put to use: Teacher to teach the spoken and written language of English; Doctor to practice medicine; etc. (their very names being "forgotten" in lieu of their useful trade).
>
> This also is true. Any human seen to have a "useful" trade was kept alive. (Of course this "fact" of humans knowledge being used to help the apes early on in their history is conveniently "buried".)
>
> This further exemplifies what I was trying to state earlier, when I said that the Apes did NOT slavishly copy every single detail of the preceeding human high-tech culture. I got the impression that James believes that (for example) the "north-equals-up" Map convention MUST have been a carry-over from our present day tendency to orient maps (to justify his interpretation of the Map).
>
> Here, I cannot agree... I mean if they're "adopting" human ways of basic technology, and using human language, I see no reason why you would think they'd use them, but suddenly decide that using humans directional "orientations" doesn't suit their society. I feel James is correct in his feelings that they adopted our directions (N=up, S=down, etc...) I feel he's not trying to "justify" anything, and what he says is just good sense. Why you think they'd adopt our ways of low tech living, but think our maps are a "no no" is not making sense here. I'm not attacking you when I say this to you, but could it be you're the one trying to justify your feelings on the map by saying that they dropped our orientations and redirected them to different places on the map, and by doing so, you're "justifying" your map interpretations?

*** Another of our map conventions is the use of Latitude and
Longitude grid lines, and "N" directional arrows [-->N], and
placenames [i.e. "Ape City" or "The Forbidden Zone" or "Dead Lake"]...
yet none of these are used on Cornelius' map. Why not? In MARVEL's
adaptation, there IS the use of the placename for the Forbidden Zone,
but it ain't in the movie. Essentially, the only information we have
ON THE MAP are the coastlines of the Sea, Dead Lake, and the unnamed
River connecting Dead Lake to the Sea (and skirting the Ape City
area), the colors differentiating the BLUE water areas (the
aforementioned Sea, Lake, & River), the YELLOW/TAN desert areas, the
BROWN mountainous areas, and the GREEN jungle/inhabited areas, and the
dashed line demarcating the border of the Forbidden Zone. AND THAT'S
IT. No grid for Latitude/Longitude... no directional arrow indicating
"North"... no Placenames ["Ape City" etc.]. If Cornelius felt free to
draw up a map WITHOUT such common (to us) conventional details, then
why should we expect him to use the "North-is-up" convention?
Incidentally, Urko's wall-map also disregards the use of a grid, of a
"North" arrow, and of placenames; various symbols are used for
villages, etc., but that's about it. Why are these monkeys so sparing
of detail on their maps? The Lawgiver knows... but this very lack of
detail leaves it open to INTERPRETATION, which opens it up to
DISAGREEMENT (between me and James and whoever else cares to debate
it). I STILL say that Cornelius' line in BENEATH ("...towards the
North...") requires a re-thinking of what seems "obvious" regarding
the PLANET-only info (i.e. the "North-is-up" interpretation--
admittedly, the simplest explanation taking into account ONLY the info
from PLANET).

>
> What might the reason be for the adoption of the scroll as the primary method of publishing text in the Ape society? Why not just stick with the book format we currently use? Is it easier, perhaps, for a purposely low-tech society to roll parchment (or whatever) around a spool as a scroll, rather than make use of binding materials for books i.e. glues, staples, etc.)? Since the late 20th/early 21st Century society we live in does not customarily use scrolls, why would the Simian society of BATTLE (and following) choose to adopt such an "outmoded" method? Perhaps, to be purposely different? If so, then why not ditch the English language in favor of an "invented" language (a simian "Esperanto" of sorts), just to cut off all ties to the decadent human civilization which enslaved Apes in the first place? Perhaps Caesar kept English alive because he relied on humans (maybe "too much" to the liking of his murmuring detractors), who would hardly be useful if they had to learn a whole new languageOr, perhaps the Apes resorted to scrolls in order to be "retro"--to harken back to an "earlier" time, before the Industrial Revolution which led to the Bomb.
>
> I do not believe whole heartedly that the scroll is their primary method of publishing text. While I'm not dead set in this thought either, I do (sometimes) think they use scrolls more as a way of transporting messages and for use in the short term. But as for storing a collection of (once) scrolled information, the text is collected and printed and made into book form. I already pointed out that they do keep Ape history in book form (the book held by the council orangutan being an example.) Since it is shown that they have their historical accounts bound into book form, I see it as plausible that they'd get the information kept in those books from once scrolled information.
>

*** Admittedly, the TV "book" used by the council orangutan IS an
actual "book"/codex. Perhaps, being a history book, it is easier to
use a codex, since the binding-in of extra chapters (after the fact)
would/might be easier than to "cut-and-splice" into a pre-existing
scroll an extra length of parchment (scrolls, after all, must be able
to fit into their "scroll holders"; check out, in PLANET, the
cylindrical holders in which the scroll-wrapped spool is housed; if
you wanted to "add to" a pre-existing scroll, the later version might
be too thick to fit into the holder--but a codex format would be
easier in this regard.
By the way, I looked at PLANET and BENEATH again a couple weeks ago,
and noticed that NEVER is there any use of a "book" (as we would call
it); the Minister in BENEATH is holding a scroll--not a book. Also,
Zaius (in his post-Hearing study) has a rack-full of scrolls, and a
scroll-holding device on his desk, the parchment rolled around the
spool. Unless you count Zira's notepad as a "book", there are
absolutely no books at all in the first 2 movies--only scrolls (at
least, none that I could detect).

> So, then, I was not trying to imply that ALL details of the Ape culture actually WERE "aped" from our human high-tech civilization; only that our high-tech culture was the only one around which the Apes COULD possibly "ape"--though, instead, they chose to pick and choose which aspects of our world they wanted kept around, and purposely jettisoned those aspects which they deemed harmful to their posterity.
>
> Here I agree with you. I do think they "pick and choose" which aspects they found to their liking (or use) at the time they need/want it. I think the "pick and chose" aspect is most closely hinted at in the television series. An example I can think of right off-hand is in "The Surgeon" episode, when Urko says to Zaius about the (human) books being "dangerous" to which Zaius comments something along the lines of "One day, these books will serve us..." In my opinion, this "hints" at the possibility of the books being gone over, (at the convenience of the Ministry of Knowledge) and any information deemed "safe" and/or "useful" being taken out of them and used for the "advancement" of Ape kind. (Of course, as one can see, they certainly didn't see too much of the information contained in the books to be of use to Ape kind. The 900 years between the tv series and the first movie shows they were quite stagnant in any "real" scientific advances...)

*** However, between 3085 and 3955, the Apes DO figure out how to do
blood transfusions (Zira: "Look! She [Nova] remembers!" CORNELIUS:
"Remembers what?" Zira: "The blood transfusion!"), probably due to the
events of "The Surgeon" episode. And, they figure out how to do
photography: in "The Legacy" Zaius asks Urko "I wonder how they do
this?" (referring to Virdon's picture of him and his wife & kid), yet
in PLANET, after the Hunt, Taylor sees the Gorillas posing for a
picture ("Smile!" >flash< then laughter, as Taylor zonks out; also,
there is a wedding photo of Cornelius and Zira visible in BENEATH,
after they get back home from Ursus' speech). Also, unless I'm
mistaken, there are no machine guns used in the TV series, yet in
BENEATH, during the Invasion of the Forbidden Zone, the Gorilla army
uses machine guns against the Mutants (Mendez XXVI being killed by a
burst from one... Brent, too). So, evidently SOME advances are made...
but only a smattering of them. And over nearly nine centuries, you'd
expect more... if it weren't for the technophobia of the Zaius types
in charge of these respective cultures.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 5-22-2002

--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:

> OK
>
> This is not an OT because it is relevant to all in the group.
>
> I apologise to EVERYONE, especially Patrick, for the childish
> slanderous postings.
>
> Yes, Patrick, let's bury the hatchet. Email is a very poor
> communication medium and I think there were a lot of
> misunderstandings that led to the mutual hostilities.
>
> Good to see lots of new and better topics!
>
> Michael

Michael, consider the hatchet buried and the apology accepted (though
NOT in the manner Darth Vader said "Apology accepted" in EMPIRE--while
using the Dark Side of the Force to strangle that poor bastard). We'll
probably still disagree on a whole host of things here, but let's at
least be our "better selves" (as Cornelius advised Zira) when we do
so.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 5-22-2002

P.S.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Richard Milhous Nixon
James Earl Carter
Ronald Wilson Reagan
George Herbert Walker Bush
William Jefferson Clinton

Hmmm... does anybody see a pattern here? James? Anybody? Bueller?
Of course, there are those who would probably lump these guys in with
the assassins James posted in HIS list! Oh well...

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William Jefferson Clinton

Hmmm... does anybody see a pattern here? James? Anybody? Bueller?

I do with the Clinton one.
Another long winded bastard who was always making shit up, but wouldn't shut up.
Sorry Pat, I just couldn't resist.  If you think this IS an insult, I suppose it depends on what your definition if IS is.

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--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

> Welcome, Bernie. The interesting thing about the new movie is that most people don't seem to like it but when pressed the answers vary wildly about what they did like. Some hate the Heston scene, others find it the only redeeming quality, etc. Here's my topic: name one thing you liked about the new movie and one thing you hated most. This could be good if people participate.
> I'll go first: Let's stick to scenes. People say, "Oh, I like the music" or the makeup or Bonham Carter, but that's not specific enough; so it's scenes. LOVE: My favorite scene is where Thade visits Ari and she rebuffs him. If you can go with the more ape-like movements (which some hated) and think that's the most interesting aspect, and it's played well here. Carter's choices are interesting and it gives us our best clue to Thade's character ("You care so much for these humans and nothing for me"). This is the only scene in the movie that I can't find anything to complain about. HATE: The scene where Leo is rallying the humans ("Men have had to fight for what they believe in" or something like that). Talk about cliche, and badly done cliche. Wahlberg just does not work as the straight hero. If the character had been written like an anti-hero, like heston, he might have pulled it off. Generally, I like the first half of the film and hate the second half. If they could've of built on the first half they might of had something.
> Who's next? Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bernie johnson
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Wow...busy place
>
>
> Thanks for the welcome, my favorite of the bunch would certainly have to be the original Planet of the Apes for a variety of reasons, probably most notably the incredible over the top performance of Charleston Heston "you cut out his brain you bloody baboon". Next would probably be Conquest, followed by Battle for the Planet of the Apes because I liked Claude Akins portrayal of General Aldo. James Gregory as Ursus was great but not enough to put Beneath into my top three. Escape had a few moments but comes in a distant fifth. Again because I see it bashed alot, I do like to make my case for the incredible jobs that both Tim Roth and Charleton Heston did in Burton's re imagining. As they say on the Iron Chef...thats just my opinion. Bernard
>
> CheeseGOTAS@a... wrote:
>
> Welcome to the group, Bernie. What's your favorite Apes movie?
>
> -Joe
>

*** My favorite bit from Burton's POTA would probably be the orangutan
makeups (not as much Giammatti's "Limbo" makeup, but the other one,
the one with whom Lisa Marie's character "bumps uglies"). I absolutely
HATED the female chimp makeups; if the point was to make more
convincing ape makeups--which made the orangutans especially
impressive--then why didn't the female chimps look more like real
chimps?
I got tired of Roth's one-note portrayal of Thade: sneering, hissing,
hateful, etc. Never once do we see him chuckle, or laugh out loud, or
look surprised/bewildered. I don't blame Roth so much as I blame the
script which had him being constantly sneering.
Not that I necessarily LIKED it, but the Limbo character--used as a
sort of comic relief--reminded me of Peter Ustinov in SPARTACUS: both
had similar backgrounds (slave-trading and gladiator-selling), and
both had somewhat amusing personalities. I think that that's what
Broyles had in mind when he wrote the Limbo character. Limbo's one-
liners didn't bother me so much, when I recalled that Julius (in the
1968 film) had a few humorous comments ("You know what they say:
'Human see, human do'...").
Danny Elfman's score (which some here like) was at best utilitarian--
it did the job of providing orchestral background sound, like a
special effect. Yet it is nowhere near as brilliant a score as is the
Goldsmith score for Schaffner's film. Elfman's score seems to "fit"
Burton's movie, in that it is just one more "effect" Fox threw onto
film and gave the name "Planet of the Apes" to, hoping to cash in on
our love of the 1968 masterpiece.
I absolutely HATED the ending. Supposedly, Thade escapes from the trap
Leo gets him into, in the derelict "Calima" ship... and manages to
retrieve Leo's spacepod... HOW? I thought that these monkeys were
deathly afraid of water! Even if Thade DID suspect that there was
something in the water near where he murdered those gorillas, how
could he overcome his fear of the water in order to salvage the pod?
And how could this miracle pod survive--and remain functional--after
being submerged in the water for who knows how long? Wouldn't the
water rust the bejeezus out of it? I can ALMOST buy into the idea that
the "Calima" ship out in the desert would be intact after centures--
after all, it's buried in sand, which would preserve it rather well.
But the corrosive effects of the water on Leo's pod would render it
defunct--and without it, Thade has no chance in hell of somehow flying
it (HOW?!) back through some goofy wormhole and SAFELY landing it back
on Earth in the Past... and SOMEHOW--after being confronted with a
"Planet of the Humans"--leading some kind of revolution in which the
few apes left alive could overthrow Humanity. The ending was sheer,
utter bullshit! To call it "thought-provoking" is a laugh: the only
thoughts it provoked in me were of contempt at the screenwriters'
implausibility and ineptitude.
Par for par, Dino De Laurentiis' version of KING KONG was a much
better remake/retelling/"re-imagining" of the original than was the
"new" POTA film. And that isn't saying much!

One thing I was particularly disappointed with was the failure to
capitalize on the name "Leo Davidson". Before I saw the movie, I
thought that the name was intended to be symbolic: "Leo" suggests
"Lion" (as in "the Lion of the Tribe of Judah"), and "Davidson"
suggests "Son of David"--both names being Christological references.
If Leo Davidson's introduction to the Ape planet had been modeled
somewhat on the Christ story, then we might have expected to see him
as a human savior who helps out the downtrodden humans who--like the
Jews under the Romans--suffer under the Apes. Or acts in such a manner
as to reconcile the Human-and-Ape rift, just as Christ is supposed to
have reconciled the Jew-and-Gentile rift for his New Covenant. Yet all
of this is wasted in Burton's film. Wahlberg's character might as well
have been named "Joe Henderson" or "Frank Zimmerman". Ultimately, his
supposedly symbolic name ends up carrying no real meaning at all in
the movie: it gave me a false expectation, and didn't follow through
with it... another missed opportunity. Sigh...

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 5-22-2002

The reason I haven't posted in a couple of weeks (before today) is
that I just got back from a trip (my first) to New York City (the real
one... not the one from Farrow's book!).
I drove from West Fargo to Minneapolis (stayed overnight at a friend's
place), then drove to Niagara Falls (stayed overnight at a Day's Inn),
then drove through Toronto and Montreal to a little town called Sutton
for another friend's wedding. Then I drove down to Lakewood, New
Jersey and stayed at a friend's place for about 3 days, making two
trips up to NYC.
Took the ferry from NJ past the Statue of Liberty ("Damn you all to
hell!") and disembarked at 34th St. on the East River side of
Manhattan. Walked up to the UN building, then went to see the Grand
Central Station: didn't meet any Mutants there, though... which is
probably a good thing!
Walked over to the New York Public Library--it wasn't open yet, but I
got to see the exterior, just like Brent and Nova when they exited the
cylindrical airshaft in BENEATH.
Then I went up to see Saint Patrick's Cathedral. I didn't see the
Alpha Omega bomb there, but I did get a good idea of how Mendez's
group would have had to alter it in order for it to resemble the ruins
we see in BENEATH (for example, the organ pipes seen behind the
Doomsday Bomb are not in the altar area--they're at the "back" of the
church, at the "foot" of the Cross-shaped interior; evidently, when
the Mendez group installs the Bomb at the Altar, they also remove the
pipes from the back entrance area and re-install them behind the altar
itself). Didn't see any "drinking fountain" outside the main entrance
area (where Brent tries to drown Nova); evidently, it is a detail that
is "added to" the scene after the Nuke War, since it would be in the
middle of Fifth Avenue if it existed now!
I only had a limited amount of time to spend in NYC, and I had hoped
to see the NY Stock Exchange building (which, for some reason, is
included on Brent's itinerary yet is miles away from the other sites
he encounters clustered near Rockefeller Center), but never made it
down that far... alas. Wanted to see Ground Zero and pay my respects,
but I was travelling with 2 others, and time was limited. On my next
trip, for sure, I'll go see the sites on the southern tip of
Manhattan.
Because it would have eaten up too much of our limited time, I also
couldn't go over to see the Queensboro Plaza subway station over in
Queens. Damn! Maybe somebody reading this, who either lives in the NYC
area or can get there easily, can go to Queensboro Plaza and take a
bunch of photos of it (exterior, interior, etc.) and post them on this
site... maybe? It would be interesting to compare the REAL subway
station with the remnants of it seen in BENEATH. Please, somebody,
take me up on this!

Aside from my POTA-related NYC site tour, I managed to get into a
taping of the LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN show (Robin Williams was
the guest). My brother (who travelled with me) works at our local NBC
affiliate, so he was able to get advance tickets. Conan O'Brien puts
on a kick-ass show. Hilarious as hell, and with the best band on TV:
the magnificent Max Weinberg 7.
My brother--who also has the hots for Kelly Ripa--got us tickets to
see the Regis show; not as much fun as Conan O'Brien... but still a
lot of fun.
We paid our respects at the Dakotah, and at Strawberry Fields, across
the avenue in Central Park. "Imagine"... I often imagine there's no
religion--it's easy if you try...

The only bad note was that my car--which racked up over 3000 miles
there and back--blew a seal or gasket or thingamajig just 23 miles
from home on the way back! Blew the smeggin' engine! I had to get it
towed those last few miles... and just yesterday went and bought a new
used car. Thank Zeus for the "magic plastic" that is Master Card, or I
would neither have been able to make the trip nor get another set of
wheels afterwards!

All in all, a fun trip. Maybe someday soon I'll go to the San
Francisco/Oakland/Los Angeles area and see some of the sites
associated with "The Legacy", "The Trap", and ESCAPE. And Century
City, to get a glimpse of Breck's unnamed city, too. It would be nice
to see the BART station just off Sutton Street (from "The Trap"), just
to see how much/little it resembles the set from the episode. Are
there any POTA fans in California (or who have visited there) who
might have any vacation photos of those POTA sites? If so, please post
them on this website; I'd do so myself if I had the techno-ability. I
surf from a college computer cluster and don't have a scanner to scan
photos, let alone the know-how to post them to this site. Maybe
someday I'll upgrade my home computer (a glorified word processor) and
teach myself how to do all that stuff.
It's nice to be back home, though. It took some doing, but I managed
to speed through the hundreds of posts I'd missed in the last 2 weeks.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 5-22-2002

.htmlIn a message dated 5/22/2002 1:31:41 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:


I could tell you all the hows, whys and wherefors Pat, but you're so smart you figure it out.

I thought that these monkeys were
deathly afraid of water! Even if Thade DID suspect that there was
something in the water near where he murdered those gorillas, how
could he overcome his fear of the water in order to salvage the pod?
And how could this miracle pod survive--and remain functional--after
being submerged in the water for who knows how long? Wouldn't the
water rust the bejeezus out of it?

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You probably think I don't have a real answer to this problem, but I do. But
how can I sell it to Fox if I tell you for nothing. Anyway you probably will
come up with your own syllogism for it.

>I could tell you all the hows, whys and wherefors Pat, but you're so smart
>you figure it out.

<Grin>

I actually have a lot of time for Patrick and his mission to 'unflub' the
70s Apes - I find it quite entertaining and stimulating (I concede that
he's prone to over-egging the pudding, but hey, I don't have to eat it
all). Which is why I was surprised, and a little disappointed, to see him
giving up so easily on the ending of Burton's movie. I mean, if he can
dream up a scenario to explain the beginning of Escape From The Planet Of
The Apes (which isn't that different from the Thade scenario when you think
about it), then surely anything is possible.

- Darren

Patrick said:

>I got tired of Roth's one-note portrayal of Thade: sneering, hissing,
>hateful, etc. Never once do we see him chuckle, or laugh out loud, or look
>surprised/bewildered.

One of my favourite scenes in Burton's film is near the end, when Thade,
having realised he's lost the battle, is cowering in his 'cell'. The once
fearsome general is reduced to a scared little chimpanzee in a cage. That,
for me, is this film's Statue of Liberty moment, in that it puts the
previous 90-odd minutes of hissing and sneering into perspective.

- Darren

Yes they're all politicians who twisted the truth to serve their own
ends.

--- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
wrote:

> Franklin Delano Roosevelt
> John Fitzgerald Kennedy
> Lyndon Baines Johnson
> Richard Milhous Nixon
> James Earl Carter
> Ronald Wilson Reagan
> George Herbert Walker Bush
> William Jefferson Clinton
>
> Hmmm... does anybody see a pattern here? James? Anybody? Bueller?
> Of course, there are those who would probably lump these guys in

with

> the assassins James posted in HIS list! Oh well...

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I mean, if he can dream up a scenario to explain the beginning of Escape From The Planet Of The Apes (which isn't that different from the Thade scenario when you think about it), then surely anything is possible.

He's too late Darren.
I've already done it.

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Attachments :

Guess it also depends on your definition of NOT receiving any prior warnings is too.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> > William Jefferson Clinton
> >
> > Hmmm... does anybody see a pattern here? James? Anybody? Bueller?
> >
>
> I do with the Clinton one.
> Another long winded bastard who was always making shit up, but wouldn't shut
> up.
> Sorry Pat, I just couldn't resist. If you think this IS an insult, I suppose
> it depends on what your definition if IS is.

Queensboro Plaza is an elevated outdoor station that looks nothing
like the underground station seen in Beneath. You didn't miss much
by not going there.


--- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
wrote:

> Because it would have eaten up too much of our limited time, I

also

> couldn't go over to see the Queensboro Plaza subway station over

in

> Queens. Damn! Maybe somebody reading this, who either lives in the

NYC

> area or can get there easily, can go to Queensboro Plaza and take

a

> bunch of photos of it (exterior, interior, etc.) and post them on

this

> site... maybe? It would be interesting to compare the REAL subway
> station with the remnants of it seen in BENEATH. Please, somebody,
> take me up on this!

Hey Gang,


FRANK SUPIOT the Brand Manager for Diamond Comics has asked me to get the
group to vote on their favorite Medicoms Ultra Detail Figures from "Lame to
Awesome".

Copy this list and rate them and send your results back to me.

Also figure out which characters you'd like to see that didn't make it into
the line (eg: Julius, Virgil, Mutants, Armando, etc.)


CORNELIUS

SOLDIER APE

Soldier ape variant (Beneath style with sub-machine gun)

LUCIUS

GENERAL URSUS

ZIRA

DR ZAIUS

GENERAL URKO (TV)

SOLDER APE 3 (tv ape)

TAYLOR (loincloth)

NOVA

GENERAL ALDO

ZIRA ASTRONAUT

TAYLOR ASTRONAUT

CAESAR (CONQUEST)

CAESAR (Battle)

CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST male chimp, not Caesar)

CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST GORILLA)

MILO ASTRONAUT

CORNELIUS ASTRONAUT

GREATEST APE (lawgiver statue)

--- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
wrote:

1)

> I absolutely HATED the ending. Supposedly, Thade escapes from the

trap

> Leo gets him into, in the derelict "Calima" ship... and manages to
> retrieve Leo's spacepod... HOW?

C'MON PATRICK. THERE WERE FOUR PODS. IF WE REMEMBER THAT PERICLES
(SP?)TOOK ALPHA POD AND THAT LEO TOOK DELTA POD -- ALTHOUGH WE SEE
HIM ENTER THE ALPHA POD BAY -- THEN WE HAVE TO ASSUME THERE WERE TWO
OTHER PODS ANYWAY (BETA & GAMMA?). IN ALL LIKELYHOOD THERE WERE
STILL TWO PODS IN THEIR BAYS. NO SWIMMING INVOLVED.

& 2)

> The ending was sheer,
> utter b***s***! To call it "thought-provoking" is a laugh: the only
> thoughts it provoked in me were of contempt at the screenwriters'
> implausibility and ineptitude.

I SO AGREE WITH THIS. SOMEONE TELL ME HOW ANY SEQUEL COULD MAKE THIS
MORE ACCEPTABLE TO THOSE OF US WHO LOVE CORNELIUS AND ZIRA.

NO ONE HAS MENTIONED (TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE CONTRIVED) THE
CONTRIVANCE OF THE WORD "CALIMA". LEO DAVIDSON MUST HAVE HAD SUPER
POWERS OR SOMETHING BECAUSE WITH ONE SWEEP OF HIS HAND HE REVEALS THE
ORIGIN OF THE WORD, "CAution LIve aniMAls". DUH.

I'M GLAD YOU ARE BACK, PATRICK. I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT YOU
AND RORY MIGHT ACTUALLY BE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE -- TOGETHER.

--HELEN

> I'M GLAD YOU ARE BACK, PATRICK. I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT YOU
> AND RORY MIGHT ACTUALLY BE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE -- TOGETHER.
>
> --HELEN

I heard they were going to be the opening bout at the Tyson vs. Lewis
fight. Or maybe they decided to appear on Smackdown instead.

Helen

You have blown their cover (while they have blown each other).

You two boys should be ashamed!

Just jokes fellas. And yes I AM jealous.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2002 1:50
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: LOVE/HATE
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
> wrote:
>
> 1)
> > I absolutely HATED the ending. Supposedly, Thade escapes from the
> trap
> > Leo gets him into, in the derelict "Calima" ship... and manages to
> > retrieve Leo's spacepod... HOW?
>
> C'MON PATRICK. THERE WERE FOUR PODS. IF WE REMEMBER THAT PERICLES
> (SP?)TOOK ALPHA POD AND THAT LEO TOOK DELTA POD -- ALTHOUGH WE SEE
> HIM ENTER THE ALPHA POD BAY -- THEN WE HAVE TO ASSUME THERE WERE TWO
> OTHER PODS ANYWAY (BETA & GAMMA?). IN ALL LIKELYHOOD THERE WERE
> STILL TWO PODS IN THEIR BAYS. NO SWIMMING INVOLVED.
>
> & 2)
> > The ending was sheer,
> > utter b***s***! To call it "thought-provoking" is a laugh: the only
> > thoughts it provoked in me were of contempt at the screenwriters'
> > implausibility and ineptitude.
>
> I SO AGREE WITH THIS. SOMEONE TELL ME HOW ANY SEQUEL COULD MAKE THIS
> MORE ACCEPTABLE TO THOSE OF US WHO LOVE CORNELIUS AND ZIRA.
>
> NO ONE HAS MENTIONED (TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE CONTRIVED) THE
> CONTRIVANCE OF THE WORD "CALIMA". LEO DAVIDSON MUST HAVE HAD SUPER
> POWERS OR SOMETHING BECAUSE WITH ONE SWEEP OF HIS HAND HE REVEALS THE
> ORIGIN OF THE WORD, "CAution LIve aniMAls". DUH.
>
> I'M GLAD YOU ARE BACK, PATRICK. I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT YOU
> AND RORY MIGHT ACTUALLY BE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE -- TOGETHER.
>
> --HELEN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> CORNELIUS - OK
>
> SOLDIER APE - Good
>
> Soldier ape variant (Beneath style with sub-machine gun)-

Good

>
> LUCIUS - Good
>
> GENERAL URSUS - Awesome
>
> ZIRA - OK
>
> DR ZAIUS - Good
>
> GENERAL URKO (TV) - Lame
>
> SOLDER APE 3 (tv ape) - Lame
>
> TAYLOR (loincloth) - OK
>
> NOVA - If it came full size I'd marry it.
>
> GENERAL ALDO - OK
>
> ZIRA ASTRONAUT - Good
>
> TAYLOR ASTRONAUT - Awesome
>
> CAESAR (CONQUEST) - Good
>
> CAESAR (Battle) - OK
>
> CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST male chimp, not Caesar) - OK
>
> CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST GORILLA) - Good
>
> MILO ASTRONAUT - Good
>
> CORNELIUS ASTRONAUT - Good
>
> GREATEST APE (lawgiver statue) - Awesome

Wish List:
Honorius
Julius (sleeveless)
Assembly President
Zaius (In Beneath riding outfit)
Brent (in Astronaut uniform)
Mendez
Albina
Young Armando (Escape)
Old Armando (Conquest)
Govenor Breck
McDonald (Conquest)
Security Officer (with shield)
Kolp (Battle)
McDonald (Battle)
Corneluis (Battle)
Lisa (Battle)
Mandemus

Zira in her human clothes, Lisa, The Female Orang, more Chimpettes.
The Zira's are Awesome. The rest are lame. With the possible exception of
Nova, which could have been a better sculpt. Why not Stewart. Feel free to
throw out my obviously bias opinion.

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Well done Helen!  Finally someone, besides me has sussed it out!  Spot on!  Sure that heartless bastard wouldn't waste another pod on a chimp (canary) but a pilot (even a lame one like Leo) is a valuable commodity, and worth at least one more pod.  And the first thing that guy is going to do when he lands, assuming he's a better pilot than Leo is, is to check out the ruins of the Oberon, where Thade has had nothing to do but teach himself the computer.  No doubt there was a flight training program on it.  If there wasn't Thade would no doubt beat the info out of that hapless pilot and then kill him.  No doubt he could kill one unlucky pilot.  But without the help of the army he's not going to be in a position of power on that planet any more, and for that, he's going to want revenge.  He'll follow the trajectory of Leo's pod and, due to the idiosyncrasies of the EM storm, end up on Earth before Leo returns.  Chew over that Pat!  Want to know how he took over the world?  Get Fox to pony up some dough for me to do the script and I'll tell yous guys. 


T

C'MON PATRICK.  THERE WERE FOUR PODS.  IF WE REMEMBER THAT PERICLES
(SP?)TOOK ALPHA POD AND THAT LEO TOOK DELTA POD -- ALTHOUGH WE SEE
HIM ENTER THE ALPHA POD BAY -- THEN WE HAVE TO ASSUME THERE WERE TWO
OTHER PODS ANYWAY (BETA & GAMMA?).  IN ALL LIKELYHOOD THERE WERE
STILL TWO PODS IN THEIR BAYS.  NO SWIMMING INVOLVED

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>
>Also figure out which characters you'd like to see that didn't make it into
>the line (eg: Julius, Virgil, Mutants, Armando, etc.)
>

Now that's a good sign! Start with the 4 characters that made it into
the Kubricks but not the 6"ers: Mutant Soldier, Mendez 26, Julius, and
Brent. Beyond that I would like to see more BATTLE, CONQUEST, ESCAPE
and TV characters. e.g. Virgil, Kolp, BATTLE Lawgiver, MacDonald,
Orangutang Slave, Caesar in Circus costume, Gov. Brent, Armando etc. Also
Landon and Dodge from PLANET.

.htmlIn a message dated 5/22/02 2:06:59 PM !!!First Boot!!!, apeman@... writes:

     (2) CORNELIUS

     (8) SOLDIER APE

     (9) Soldier ape variant (Beneath style with sub-machine gun)

    (12)  LUCIUS

    (1)  GENERAL URSUS

    (3)  ZIRA

   (5)   DR ZAIUS

     (7) GENERAL URKO (TV)

    (18)  SOLDER APE 3 (tv ape)

     (19) TAYLOR  (loincloth)

    (20)  NOVA

   (13)  GENERAL ALDO

   (15)   ZIRA ASTRONAUT

    (21)  TAYLOR ASTRONAUT

    (4)  CAESAR  (CONQUEST)

     (6) CAESAR  (Battle)

     (10) CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST male chimp, not Caesar)

    (17)  CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST GORILLA)

   (16)   MILO ASTRONAUT

   (14)   CORNELIUS  ASTRONAUT

   (11)   GREATEST APE  (lawgiver statue)


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I like 'em all.

Using the list here (and I know it has missed 2) there are 9 chimps
(3 of these astros), 7 gorillas, 2 orangs and 2 humans.

So my first priority would be to balance things up with orangs,
humans and mutants.

I want more orangutans - the 3 wise monkeys from Planet, a Conquest
version, a Virgil and Mandemus from Battle AND a TV Zaius.

Mutants are obvious - a female, the black guard and the two most
senior from Beneath. Kolp and Albina (SP? - the female) from
Battle. They (the Baneath ones I mean) should have removable faces
or ones that flip at least.

Humans - Dodge, Landon, Stewart (3 pack) and Brent. A pack of
natives from Planet. Hasslein (he is an important human), the 2 kind
humans from Escape (Stevie and Lewis? - It has been a while),
MacDonald (both), Governor from Conquest, Armando, and a few Battle
humans in a 3 pack (teacher, female + 1).




--- "james611102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> > CORNELIUS - OK
> >
> > SOLDIER APE - Good
> >
> > Soldier ape variant (Beneath style with sub-machine gun)-
> Good
> >
> > LUCIUS - Good
> >
> > GENERAL URSUS - Awesome
> >
> > ZIRA - OK
> >
> > DR ZAIUS - Good
> >
> > GENERAL URKO (TV) - Lame
> >
> > SOLDER APE 3 (tv ape) - Lame
> >
> > TAYLOR (loincloth) - OK
> >
> > NOVA - If it came full size I'd marry it.
> >
> > GENERAL ALDO - OK
> >
> > ZIRA ASTRONAUT - Good
> >
> > TAYLOR ASTRONAUT - Awesome
> >
> > CAESAR (CONQUEST) - Good
> >
> > CAESAR (Battle) - OK
> >
> > CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST male chimp, not Caesar) - OK
> >
> > CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST GORILLA) - Good
> >
> > MILO ASTRONAUT - Good
> >
> > CORNELIUS ASTRONAUT - Good
> >
> > GREATEST APE (lawgiver statue) - Awesome
>
> Wish List:
> Honorius
> Julius (sleeveless)
> Assembly President
> Zaius (In Beneath riding outfit)
> Brent (in Astronaut uniform)
> Mendez
> Albina
> Young Armando (Escape)
> Old Armando (Conquest)
> Govenor Breck
> McDonald (Conquest)
> Security Officer (with shield)
> Kolp (Battle)
> McDonald (Battle)
> Corneluis (Battle)
> Lisa (Battle)
> Mandemus
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CORNELIUS: awesome
SOLDIER APE: great
Soldier ape variant (Beneath style with sub-machine gun): great
LUCIUS; awesome
GENERAL URSUS; awesome
ZIRA; good
DR ZAIUS; awesome
GENERAL URKO (TV); lame, ( face is the wrong color and he is missing his
ammo waist belt)
SOLDER APE 3 (tv ape); lame
TAYLOR (loincloth) ; good
NOVA; great
GENERAL ALDO; good
ZIRA ASTRONAUT; good. Suggest astroapes be packaged as a triple pack
TAYLOR ASTRONAUT; great
CAESAR (CONQUEST); awesome
CAESAR (Battle); good
CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST male chimp, not Caesar); great
CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST GORILLA); great
MILO ASTRONAUT; good
CORNELIUS ASTRONAUT; good
GREATEST APE (lawgiver statue); awesome

Wish list; Galen, Burke and Virdon in peasant clothes, Dodge, Landon &
Stewart in ANSA uniforms, Julius, Maximus, Honorius, Hunt leader w/ glyths
on bandolier, Brent (loincloth and poncho) at least two mutants w/ cloth
robes and removable masks ( or exchangable heads) Zaius in riding outfit,
Zira and Cornelius in 70's streetwear ( double pack?) Conquest orang,
Armando and Caesar 'Conquest' double pack w/ outfits from opening scene.
Battle Lawgiver, twin pack w/ Battle Cornelius ( in PJs) and chimp child,
Virgil w/ backpack and rifle, Battle MacDonald w/ backpack and rifle, Battle
Kolp.

Forgot to mention some "Battle" mutants.

Also, accessories/playsets.

Must have a gorilla (Ursus most likely) on horse. Also a hunt
gorilla on horse - just gotta have one.

Gotta have a spaceship - in consultation with that guy who runs the
Icarus website so it does not turn out lame. Maybe the ship is the
best way to sell the Human crew as a pack.

They could then sell a conversion kit with 3 sitting astro apes (from
the deleted beginning - hey, how come they didn't go into suspended
animation?).

An ape city playset with the bridge and steps would be incredible,
but probably too large and expensive.

A council scene where Taylor is on trial is a must and another good
way to market a 3 pack of the orangs.

Any other ideas for playsets?

Michael

--- "whitty@..." <whitty@...> wrote:

> I like 'em all.
>
> Using the list here (and I know it has missed 2) there are 9 chimps
> (3 of these astros), 7 gorillas, 2 orangs and 2 humans.
>
> So my first priority would be to balance things up with orangs,
> humans and mutants.
>
> I want more orangutans - the 3 wise monkeys from Planet, a Conquest
> version, a Virgil and Mandemus from Battle AND a TV Zaius.
>
> Mutants are obvious - a female, the black guard and the two most
> senior from Beneath. Kolp and Albina (SP? - the female) from
> Battle. They (the Baneath ones I mean) should have removable faces
> or ones that flip at least.
>
> Humans - Dodge, Landon, Stewart (3 pack) and Brent. A pack of
> natives from Planet. Hasslein (he is an important human), the 2

kind

> humans from Escape (Stevie and Lewis? - It has been a while),
> MacDonald (both), Governor from Conquest, Armando, and a few Battle
> humans in a 3 pack (teacher, female + 1).
>
>
>
>
> --- "james611102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> > > CORNELIUS - OK
> > >
> > > SOLDIER APE - Good
> > >
> > > Soldier ape variant (Beneath style with sub-machine gun)-
> > Good
> > >
> > > LUCIUS - Good
> > >
> > > GENERAL URSUS - Awesome
> > >
> > > ZIRA - OK
> > >
> > > DR ZAIUS - Good
> > >
> > > GENERAL URKO (TV) - Lame
> > >
> > > SOLDER APE 3 (tv ape) - Lame
> > >
> > > TAYLOR (loincloth) - OK
> > >
> > > NOVA - If it came full size I'd marry it.
> > >
> > > GENERAL ALDO - OK
> > >
> > > ZIRA ASTRONAUT - Good
> > >
> > > TAYLOR ASTRONAUT - Awesome
> > >
> > > CAESAR (CONQUEST) - Good
> > >
> > > CAESAR (Battle) - OK
> > >
> > > CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST male chimp, not Caesar) - OK
> > >
> > > CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST GORILLA) - Good
> > >
> > > MILO ASTRONAUT - Good
> > >
> > > CORNELIUS ASTRONAUT - Good
> > >
> > > GREATEST APE (lawgiver statue) - Awesome
> >
> > Wish List:
> > Honorius
> > Julius (sleeveless)
> > Assembly President
> > Zaius (In Beneath riding outfit)
> > Brent (in Astronaut uniform)
> > Mendez
> > Albina
> > Young Armando (Escape)
> > Old Armando (Conquest)
> > Govenor Breck
> > McDonald (Conquest)
> > Security Officer (with shield)
> > Kolp (Battle)
> > McDonald (Battle)
> > Corneluis (Battle)
> > Lisa (Battle)
> > Mandemus
> >
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Good call, Helen. I didn't even consider there might be other pods still
in the ship(though it's unlikely they'd be in working condition). But Burton
leads us to believe it's Leo's pod that Thade uses. And it's true, that
scenario is no different than "Escape", except that they'd painted
themselves into a corner, whereas Burton started fresh and could've done
anything. In an odd way I think it's another of Burton's "homages" to the
originals. Believability can go fly a kite, just as long as Burton can
"comment" on his subject. The same with that awful makeup on the chimp
photographer. You gonna tell me that's the best they could do? And then show
it in an extreme closeup? Burton wanted it that way, maybe as a "tribute" to
bad POTA makeups or something. You have to start thinking on a different
level, like Burton does. We're through the looking glass here, people. White
is black and black is white. Maybe Zanuck is exactly who he said he was, a
patsy. Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 8:49 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: LOVE/HATE


> --- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
> wrote:
>
> 1)
> > I absolutely HATED the ending. Supposedly, Thade escapes from the
> trap
> > Leo gets him into, in the derelict "Calima" ship... and manages to
> > retrieve Leo's spacepod... HOW?
>
> C'MON PATRICK. THERE WERE FOUR PODS. IF WE REMEMBER THAT PERICLES
> (SP?)TOOK ALPHA POD AND THAT LEO TOOK DELTA POD -- ALTHOUGH WE SEE
> HIM ENTER THE ALPHA POD BAY -- THEN WE HAVE TO ASSUME THERE WERE TWO
> OTHER PODS ANYWAY (BETA & GAMMA?). IN ALL LIKELYHOOD THERE WERE
> STILL TWO PODS IN THEIR BAYS. NO SWIMMING INVOLVED.
>
> & 2)
> > The ending was sheer,
> > utter b***s***! To call it "thought-provoking" is a laugh: the only
> > thoughts it provoked in me were of contempt at the screenwriters'
> > implausibility and ineptitude.
>
> I SO AGREE WITH THIS. SOMEONE TELL ME HOW ANY SEQUEL COULD MAKE THIS
> MORE ACCEPTABLE TO THOSE OF US WHO LOVE CORNELIUS AND ZIRA.
>
> NO ONE HAS MENTIONED (TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE CONTRIVED) THE
> CONTRIVANCE OF THE WORD "CALIMA". LEO DAVIDSON MUST HAVE HAD SUPER
> POWERS OR SOMETHING BECAUSE WITH ONE SWEEP OF HIS HAND HE REVEALS THE
> ORIGIN OF THE WORD, "CAution LIve aniMAls". DUH.
>
> I'M GLAD YOU ARE BACK, PATRICK. I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT YOU
> AND RORY MIGHT ACTUALLY BE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE -- TOGETHER.
>
> --HELEN
>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:46 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: LOVE/HATE

Well done Helen!  Finally someone, besides me has sussed it out!  Spot on!  Sure that heartless bastard wouldn't waste another pod on a chimp (canary) but a pilot (even a lame one like Leo) is a valuable commodity, and worth at least one more pod.  And the first thing that guy is going to do when he lands, assuming he's a better pilot than Leo is, is to check out the ruins of the Oberon, where Thade has had nothing to do but teach himself the computer.  No doubt there was a flight training program on it.  If there wasn't Thade would no doubt beat the info out of that hapless pilot and then kill him.  No doubt he could kill one unlucky pilot.  But without the help of the army he's not going to be in a position of power on that planet any more, and for that, he's going to want revenge.  He'll follow the trajectory of Leo's pod and, due to the idiosyncrasies of the EM storm, end up on Earth before Leo returns.  Chew over that Pat!  Want to know how he took over the world?  Get Fox to pony up some dough for me to do the script and I'll tell yous guys. 


T

C'MON PATRICK.  THERE WERE FOUR PODS.  IF WE REMEMBER THAT PERICLES
(SP?)TOOK ALPHA POD AND THAT LEO TOOK DELTA POD -- ALTHOUGH WE SEE
HIM ENTER THE ALPHA POD BAY -- THEN WE HAVE TO ASSUME THERE WERE TWO
OTHER PODS ANYWAY (BETA & GAMMA?).  IN ALL LIKELYHOOD THERE WERE
STILL TWO PODS IN THEIR BAYS.  NO SWIMMING INVOLVED

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The jailwagon figured prominently in Planet and Beneath and tops my list.

A cave exterior playset would be a good place to display Cornelius,
Zira, Lucius, Zaius, Taylor, Nova, and some gorillas.

The "Hello Dolly" interrogation set works for the Mutant leaders, Mutant
guards, Brent, and Nova.

One thing's certain; at $14 apiece, these figures are NOT staying on the
cards.

On Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 07:05 PM, whitty@... wrote:

> Any other ideas for playsets?

I feel ripped off anyway. I liked the original movies and they didn't
have Leo, Thade, or Burton either.

ABMAC

On Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 07:15 PM, <veetus@...> wrote:

> Those are good ideas, my Lord. But I think the only hope for a sequel
> is a lower budget, which means no Leo, no Thade and no Burton. But can
> they get away with a brand new story? People hated that ending but it's
> become infamous and folks might feel ripped off if it isn't explained.
> Etc. - - Jeff

One thing I forgot to mention is how the pattern went with which
Medicoms came from which movie/TV series.

Exclusively Planet: 3
Exclusively Beneath: 2
Planet AND Beneath: 5 (eg Zira, Zaius, Taylor, Nova, Corn - debatable)
Exclusively Escape: 3
Exclusively Conquest: 3
Exclusively Battle: 3
Exclusively TV Series: 2

Looks like a FAIRLY even distribution with an emphasis on the first 2.

Also, another good playset: Baby Milo/Caesar in cage from Escape.

Another good figure: Caesar Statue (ie replacement Lawgiver) from
Battle (with genuine blood tears - joke).

Michael

--- "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@...> wrote:

> The jailwagon figured prominently in Planet and Beneath and tops my

list.

>
> A cave exterior playset would be a good place to display Cornelius,
> Zira, Lucius, Zaius, Taylor, Nova, and some gorillas.
>
> The "Hello Dolly" interrogation set works for the Mutant leaders,

Mutant

> guards, Brent, and Nova.
>
> One thing's certain; at $14 apiece, these figures are NOT staying

on the

> cards.
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 07:05 PM, whitty@...

wrote:

>
> > Any other ideas for playsets?
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How about the cathedral with the Alpha-Omega bomb and Ape Management
with all the high tech torture chambers.

--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Any other ideas for playsets?
>
> Michael

Yes - the Cathedral with Bomb is another must have and the ape
management is a good idea.

How about a treehouse from Battle?

Forgot to mention a figure of young Cornelius - another must.

Michael


--- "james611102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> How about the cathedral with the Alpha-Omega bomb and Ape

Management

> with all the high tech torture chambers.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Any other ideas for playsets?
> >
> > Michael
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Read that AMC has listed "Apes on AMC" as a special for the next
season that begins in the fall. Maybe its another marathon weekend
for the 35th Anniversary or something else. If anyone knows any
details please tell.

Where did you read this, sir? Maybe they're premiering a new special for
the 5-Star DVD? Can't be "Behind"; they've run that into the ground.
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 7:40 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Apes on AMC


> Read that AMC has listed "Apes on AMC" as a special for the next
> season that begins in the fall. Maybe its another marathon weekend
> for the 35th Anniversary or something else. If anyone knows any
> details please tell.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>

I thought we already went through this. I don't have them for reference
since I loaned my "Ape" stuff to the local library for display. And the
memory fades, but here goes:

Cornelius (I have the rare "dark" Cornelius, he he he): Good
Soldier Ape: A: Good B: Great
Lucius: Good
Ursus: Great
Zira: Good
Zauis: Great
Urko: Lame
TV Soldier: Lame
Caesar, Battle: Good
Caesar, Conquest: Great
Land's Ape, chimp: Good
Land's Ape, gorilla: Great
Astronauts: they're all good, but Milo is Great because that's the only
representation of his character
Aldo: Good
Nova : Great (wait, I have to wipe my brow)
Taylor: Astro, good; Loin cloth: Great, because it's the only
representation of the classic outfit
Greatest Ape: I'll take 10

New ones: Is that a possibility? I won't even pretend that they'd bother to
do playsets, but Julius, a mutant, a Natalie Trundy (take your pick),
Armando (for sentimental reasons), and Caesar in his "Conquest" leather
outfit (the opening scenes). I also think it'd be fun to have a few figures
from the cartoon, and Burke & Virdon. Etc.

- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 7:11 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Medicoms


> Hey Gang,
>
>
> FRANK SUPIOT the Brand Manager for Diamond Comics has asked me to get the
> group to vote on their favorite Medicoms Ultra Detail Figures from "Lame
to
> Awesome".
>
> Copy this list and rate them and send your results back to me.
>
> Also figure out which characters you'd like to see that didn't make it
into
> the line (eg: Julius, Virgil, Mutants, Armando, etc.)
>
>
> CORNELIUS
>
> SOLDIER APE
>
> Soldier ape variant (Beneath style with sub-machine gun)
>
> LUCIUS
>
> GENERAL URSUS
>
> ZIRA
>
> DR ZAIUS
>
> GENERAL URKO (TV)
>
> SOLDER APE 3 (tv ape)
>
> TAYLOR (loincloth)
>
> NOVA
>
> GENERAL ALDO
>
> ZIRA ASTRONAUT
>
> TAYLOR ASTRONAUT
>
> CAESAR (CONQUEST)
>
> CAESAR (Battle)
>
> CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST male chimp, not Caesar)
>
> CAESAR'S LAND APE (CONQUEST GORILLA)
>
> MILO ASTRONAUT
>
> CORNELIUS ASTRONAUT
>
> GREATEST APE (lawgiver statue)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Welcome back, Patrick. I thought the nayayers had finally driven you away.
Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:17 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Vacation on the Planet of the Apes


> The reason I haven't posted in a couple of weeks (before today) is
> that I just got back from a trip (my first) to New York City (the real
> one... not the one from Farrow's book!).
> I drove from West Fargo to Minneapolis (stayed overnight at a friend's
> place), then drove to Niagara Falls (stayed overnight at a Day's Inn),
> then drove through Toronto and Montreal to a little town called Sutton
> for another friend's wedding. Then I drove down to Lakewood, New
> Jersey and stayed at a friend's place for about 3 days, making two
> trips up to NYC.
> Took the ferry from NJ past the Statue of Liberty ("Damn you all to
> hell!") and disembarked at 34th St. on the East River side of
> Manhattan. Walked up to the UN building, then went to see the Grand
> Central Station: didn't meet any Mutants there, though... which is
> probably a good thing!
> Walked over to the New York Public Library--it wasn't open yet, but I
> got to see the exterior, just like Brent and Nova when they exited the
> cylindrical airshaft in BENEATH.
> Then I went up to see Saint Patrick's Cathedral. I didn't see the
> Alpha Omega bomb there, but I did get a good idea of how Mendez's
> group would have had to alter it in order for it to resemble the ruins
> we see in BENEATH (for example, the organ pipes seen behind the
> Doomsday Bomb are not in the altar area--they're at the "back" of the
> church, at the "foot" of the Cross-shaped interior; evidently, when
> the Mendez group installs the Bomb at the Altar, they also remove the
> pipes from the back entrance area and re-install them behind the altar
> itself). Didn't see any "drinking fountain" outside the main entrance
> area (where Brent tries to drown Nova); evidently, it is a detail that
> is "added to" the scene after the Nuke War, since it would be in the
> middle of Fifth Avenue if it existed now!
> I only had a limited amount of time to spend in NYC, and I had hoped
> to see the NY Stock Exchange building (which, for some reason, is
> included on Brent's itinerary yet is miles away from the other sites
> he encounters clustered near Rockefeller Center), but never made it
> down that far... alas. Wanted to see Ground Zero and pay my respects,
> but I was travelling with 2 others, and time was limited. On my next
> trip, for sure, I'll go see the sites on the southern tip of
> Manhattan.
> Because it would have eaten up too much of our limited time, I also
> couldn't go over to see the Queensboro Plaza subway station over in
> Queens. Damn! Maybe somebody reading this, who either lives in the NYC
> area or can get there easily, can go to Queensboro Plaza and take a
> bunch of photos of it (exterior, interior, etc.) and post them on this
> site... maybe? It would be interesting to compare the REAL subway
> station with the remnants of it seen in BENEATH. Please, somebody,
> take me up on this!
>
> Aside from my POTA-related NYC site tour, I managed to get into a
> taping of the LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN show (Robin Williams was
> the guest). My brother (who travelled with me) works at our local NBC
> affiliate, so he was able to get advance tickets. Conan O'Brien puts
> on a kick-ass show. Hilarious as hell, and with the best band on TV:
> the magnificent Max Weinberg 7.
> My brother--who also has the hots for Kelly Ripa--got us tickets to
> see the Regis show; not as much fun as Conan O'Brien... but still a
> lot of fun.
> We paid our respects at the Dakotah, and at Strawberry Fields, across
> the avenue in Central Park. "Imagine"... I often imagine there's no
> religion--it's easy if you try...
>
> The only bad note was that my car--which racked up over 3000 miles
> there and back--blew a seal or gasket or thingamajig just 23 miles
> from home on the way back! Blew the smeggin' engine! I had to get it
> towed those last few miles... and just yesterday went and bought a new
> used car. Thank Zeus for the "magic plastic" that is Master Card, or I
> would neither have been able to make the trip nor get another set of
> wheels afterwards!
>
> All in all, a fun trip. Maybe someday soon I'll go to the San
> Francisco/Oakland/Los Angeles area and see some of the sites
> associated with "The Legacy", "The Trap", and ESCAPE. And Century
> City, to get a glimpse of Breck's unnamed city, too. It would be nice
> to see the BART station just off Sutton Street (from "The Trap"), just
> to see how much/little it resembles the set from the episode. Are
> there any POTA fans in California (or who have visited there) who
> might have any vacation photos of those POTA sites? If so, please post
> them on this website; I'd do so myself if I had the techno-ability. I
> surf from a college computer cluster and don't have a scanner to scan
> photos, let alone the know-how to post them to this site. Maybe
> someday I'll upgrade my home computer (a glorified word processor) and
> teach myself how to do all that stuff.
> It's nice to be back home, though. It took some doing, but I managed
> to speed through the hundreds of posts I'd missed in the last 2 weeks.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 5-22-2002
>
>
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There's a good interview with Bill Broyles in a issue last year of
"Creative Screenwriting" (July/Aug 2001). He says Leo is based on Alexander
the Great ( I get the feeling the name Leo is because Leonardo DiCaprio was
the hot young star at the time). He says Fox gave him a blank page to write
whatever he wanted to. Did a lot of research, especially Roman history ("I
was looking at ancient battles in which whole cultures were at stake. I
wanted to set up a conflict in which the spark of consciousness would be
subject to total extinction. Roman history also gave me these wonderful
examples of the extremes of human behavior").
He also says, " The thing about themes is that if you're able to label
them, then they're not working. My idea is that thematic things should be
subtle and a little ambiguous, so they make you think. As opposed to being
things you could write on a sign and carry around. A lot of the original
part, too, was about finding your own destiny and who you were supposed to
be in the world, and how to find within yourself the ability to do things
you may have never thought were possible. All that's in there".
Broyles: "Ultimately, it's thematically similar to my other movies, "Apollo
13" and "Cast Away", in that it's about a man with a technical background-
in this case a pilot- who finds himself shipwrecked far from home and has to
figure out how to get back".
On the final script: " When I finally got the version the writing team did,
I was very pleased with what they had done, because they had taken it in the
direction Tim had wanted to go. But I felt they had been very respectful of
the original story and script that I did...It isn't exactly the same as I
did, but the characters are all there, the humor is there, the sense of
physical and emotional and moral testing is there. The attraction of
consciousness across species is there. The journey of the hero is all there.
The wonderful evil character, Thade, is there in spades. Limbo, the slave
dealer, was a lot of fun to do because he's the comic relief (I named him
Limbo because he was between (the 2 ape ideologies). He's an ape but he's a
slave dealer, so he's an outcast)."
"I read (Boulle's) novel. The novel is really fun. It's interesting but
it's pretty much exhausted by the first movie. There's some nice little
space stuff that inspired me at first. I ended up cutting all that. But I
liked the image of these big sailing ships in space".
The original: "What was interesting about it was it's audacity. That's what
always struck me, just the sheer audacity, and the ability to cloak a lot of
issues of how we relate to each other as humans in a different set of
garments".
Basically, Broyles created the characters and situations. He's the Pierre
Boulle of the new flick. Though Burton has been given credit for the Krull
character and the ending. Etc. - - Jeff

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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:31 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: LOVE/HATE


> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Welcome, Bernie. The interesting thing about the new movie is that
most people don't seem to like it but when pressed the answers vary wildly
about what they did like. Some hate the Heston scene, others find it the
only redeeming quality, etc. Here's my topic: name one thing you liked about
the new movie and one thing you hated most. This could be good if people
participate.
> > I'll go first: Let's stick to scenes. People say, "Oh, I like the
music" or the makeup or Bonham Carter, but that's not specific enough; so
it's scenes. LOVE: My favorite scene is where Thade visits Ari and she
rebuffs him. If you can go with the more ape-like movements (which some
hated) and think that's the most interesting aspect, and it's played well
here. Carter's choices are interesting and it gives us our best clue to
Thade's character ("You care so much for these humans and nothing for me").
This is the only scene in the movie that I can't find anything to complain
about. HATE: The scene where Leo is rallying the humans ("Men have had to
fight for what they believe in" or something like that). Talk about cliche,
and badly done cliche. Wahlberg just does not work as the straight hero. If
the character had been written like an anti-hero, like heston, he might have
pulled it off. Generally, I like the first half of the film and hate the
second half. If they could've of built on the first half they might of had
something.
> > Who's next? Etc. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: bernie johnson
> > To: pota@y...
> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Wow...busy place
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the welcome, my favorite of the bunch would certainly have
to be the original Planet of the Apes for a variety of reasons, probably
most notably the incredible over the top performance of Charleston Heston
"you cut out his brain you bloody baboon". Next would probably be Conquest,
followed by Battle for the Planet of the Apes because I liked Claude Akins
portrayal of General Aldo. James Gregory as Ursus was great but not enough
to put Beneath into my top three. Escape had a few moments but comes in a
distant fifth. Again because I see it bashed alot, I do like to make my case
for the incredible jobs that both Tim Roth and Charleton Heston did in
Burton's re imagining. As they say on the Iron Chef...thats just my opinion.
Bernard
> >
> > CheeseGOTAS@a... wrote:
> >
> > Welcome to the group, Bernie. What's your favorite Apes movie?
> >
> > -Joe
> >
>
> *** My favorite bit from Burton's POTA would probably be the orangutan
> makeups (not as much Giammatti's "Limbo" makeup, but the other one,
> the one with whom Lisa Marie's character "bumps uglies"). I absolutely
> HATED the female chimp makeups; if the point was to make more
> convincing ape makeups--which made the orangutans especially
> impressive--then why didn't the female chimps look more like real
> chimps?
> I got tired of Roth's one-note portrayal of Thade: sneering, hissing,
> hateful, etc. Never once do we see him chuckle, or laugh out loud, or
> look surprised/bewildered. I don't blame Roth so much as I blame the
> script which had him being constantly sneering.
> Not that I necessarily LIKED it, but the Limbo character--used as a
> sort of comic relief--reminded me of Peter Ustinov in SPARTACUS: both
> had similar backgrounds (slave-trading and gladiator-selling), and
> both had somewhat amusing personalities. I think that that's what
> Broyles had in mind when he wrote the Limbo character. Limbo's one-
> liners didn't bother me so much, when I recalled that Julius (in the
> 1968 film) had a few humorous comments ("You know what they say:
> 'Human see, human do'...").
> Danny Elfman's score (which some here like) was at best utilitarian--
> it did the job of providing orchestral background sound, like a
> special effect. Yet it is nowhere near as brilliant a score as is the
> Goldsmith score for Schaffner's film. Elfman's score seems to "fit"
> Burton's movie, in that it is just one more "effect" Fox threw onto
> film and gave the name "Planet of the Apes" to, hoping to cash in on
> our love of the 1968 masterpiece.
> I absolutely HATED the ending. Supposedly, Thade escapes from the trap
> Leo gets him into, in the derelict "Calima" ship... and manages to
> retrieve Leo's spacepod... HOW? I thought that these monkeys were
> deathly afraid of water! Even if Thade DID suspect that there was
> something in the water near where he murdered those gorillas, how
> could he overcome his fear of the water in order to salvage the pod?
> And how could this miracle pod survive--and remain functional--after
> being submerged in the water for who knows how long? Wouldn't the
> water rust the bejeezus out of it? I can ALMOST buy into the idea that
> the "Calima" ship out in the desert would be intact after centures--
> after all, it's buried in sand, which would preserve it rather well.
> But the corrosive effects of the water on Leo's pod would render it
> defunct--and without it, Thade has no chance in hell of somehow flying
> it (HOW?!) back through some goofy wormhole and SAFELY landing it back
> on Earth in the Past... and SOMEHOW--after being confronted with a
> "Planet of the Humans"--leading some kind of revolution in which the
> few apes left alive could overthrow Humanity. The ending was sheer,
> utter bullshit! To call it "thought-provoking" is a laugh: the only
> thoughts it provoked in me were of contempt at the screenwriters'
> implausibility and ineptitude.
> Par for par, Dino De Laurentiis' version of KING KONG was a much
> better remake/retelling/"re-imagining" of the original than was the
> "new" POTA film. And that isn't saying much!
>
> One thing I was particularly disappointed with was the failure to
> capitalize on the name "Leo Davidson". Before I saw the movie, I
> thought that the name was intended to be symbolic: "Leo" suggests
> "Lion" (as in "the Lion of the Tribe of Judah"), and "Davidson"
> suggests "Son of David"--both names being Christological references.
> If Leo Davidson's introduction to the Ape planet had been modeled
> somewhat on the Christ story, then we might have expected to see him
> as a human savior who helps out the downtrodden humans who--like the
> Jews under the Romans--suffer under the Apes. Or acts in such a manner
> as to reconcile the Human-and-Ape rift, just as Christ is supposed to
> have reconciled the Jew-and-Gentile rift for his New Covenant. Yet all
> of this is wasted in Burton's film. Wahlberg's character might as well
> have been named "Joe Henderson" or "Frank Zimmerman". Ultimately, his
> supposedly symbolic name ends up carrying no real meaning at all in
> the movie: it gave me a false expectation, and didn't follow through
> with it... another missed opportunity. Sigh...
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 5-22-2002
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"Ultimately, it's thematically similar to my other movies, "Apollo
13" and "Cast Away", in that it's about a man with a technical background-
in this case a pilot- who finds himself shipwrecked far from home and has to
figure out how to get back".

What is he talking about?  Leo is no McGyver.  He didn't figure out how to get back.  He wrecked his ship, got the whole station wrecked looking for him, and just barely managed to survive until the chimp he was training dumped a new ship in his lap!  Then he wrecked that one!  How did this guy become a pilot in the first place?

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>I want more orangutans - the 3 wise monkeys from Planet, a Conquest
>version, a Virgil and Mandemus from Battle AND a TV Zaius.

Yes! More orangutans. Add the orangutan priest from the first two
movies to this list. And a BATTLE Lawgiver.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:17 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] From Bill Broyles, with love

  

"Ultimately, it's thematically similar to my other movies, "Apollo
13" and "Cast Away", in that it's about a man with a technical background-
in this case a pilot- who finds himself shipwrecked far from home and has to
figure out how to get back".

What is he talking about?  Leo is no McGyver.  He didn't figure out how to get back.  He wrecked his ship, got the whole station wrecked looking for him, and just barely managed to survive until the chimp he was training dumped a new ship in his lap!  Then he wrecked that one!  How did this guy become a pilot in the first place?

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In a message dated 5/22/02 8:30:35 PM, abmac@... writes:

<< One thing's certain; at $14 apiece, these figures are NOT staying on the
cards. >>

Mine didn't stay on the cards at $35 apiece (more for the rare variants).

Ouch!

Matt

We paid our respects at the Dakotah, and at Strawberry Fields, across
the avenue in Central Park. "Imagine"... I often imagine there's no
religion--it's easy if you try...

You did all that and didn't pay your respects to Kim Hunter?
Shame on you!

It was in Advertising Age in a special section on the fall season
for the cable networks.

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Where did you read this, sir? Maybe they're premiering a new
special for
> the 5-Star DVD? Can't be "Behind"; they've run that into the
ground.
> - - - Jeff
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 7:40 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Apes on AMC
>
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> > Read that AMC has listed "Apes on AMC" as a special for the next
> > season that begins in the fall. Maybe its another marathon
weekend
> > for the 35th Anniversary or something else. If anyone knows any
> > details please tell.
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Did anyone catch The CIA thing with John Chambers the other night?

>Exclusively Battle: 3
>

Actually BATTLE only has two medicoms, Aldo and Caesar. And Caesar is
a variant. The distribution is:

PLANET(10): Cornelius, Zira, Dr. Zaius, ape soldier, savage Taylor, Nova,
Lucius, Lawgiver statue, astronaut Taylor, Cornelius variant.
BENEATH(2): Urses, ape soldier variant.
ESCAPE(3): Cornelius, Zira, Milo as astronauts
CONQUEST(3): Caesar, gorilla slave, chimp slave variant
BATTLE(2): Caesar variant, Aldo
TV(2): Urko, ape soldier