Whoa!
I lost your addie Al!
Where do we send the fundage
for the additional discus, eh?

Whoa!
I lost your addie Al!
Where do we send the fundage
for the additional discus, eh?


Whoa?


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Whoa! I think we have a new catchphrase. I started reading Quick's "The
Fall" and it's caught my attention. It's very readable and I like how he's
connecting the dots on the Oberon story. Can't wait to read how the story of
Semos unfolds. The insectoid race isn't as bad as I feared, it has an eerie
"Outer Limits" feel. Some might say, "No, this is POTA, not Outer Limits!"
but it's more appropriate than "Wizard of Oz". So far, I'm a believer.
oa! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 9:35 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: DVD List for Battle


>
> Whoa!
> I lost your addie Al!
> Where do we send the fundage
> for the additional discus, eh?
>
>
> Whoa?
>
>
> _____

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 7:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Mavel mags

  "Behind" Special Ed. has a lot of extras

Who carries that?
Anyone online in case I can't find it in stores?

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----- Original Message -----

From: thypentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 1:13 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Time travel...

About time travel... every possible event, choice, action, etc. happens. Time prevents all this stuff from going on at the same time by splitting itself nano-second by nano-second into an infinite number of time lines. Not different dimensions, that's another topic all together. If one day humans find a way to travel thru time, the time machine will actually not travel to these other time lines or within its own, but upon breaking the time barrier, a new time line will be created based on where the time machine came from and where its going. (if indeed that part is even controllable) So you couldn't travel back in time to kill Hitler and have that change be seen in our time line. However, you could remain in the new time line you just created where Hitler was killed and observe the results of your alteration. Geez, I hope this makes sense to somebody. I never was very good at explaining stuff. ;o) Anyway, this 'time splitting' theory goes along with my belief that you can't change the future of this time line. For no matter how hard you try to change this one, all you're really doing is creating altered new timelines based on this one. Though, from the time travelers perspective, he/she would not notice this. Nor would, he/she realize that it is now impossible for them to get back to their original time line. Think of it as time's back flow protection valve. To prevent time from falling apart or becoming unstable anything not bound by it's rules will only travel in one direction within it. Not in regards to the past or future, but in regards to going from one time line to another. You can never enter again the time line you came from or one you've been to previously. So, even if the fact would seem invisible to the time traveler, they could never go home again.

 

ThyPentacle

 

  Jeff & Susan Stringer <stringe@...> wrote:

  Since we'll never time travel anyway, the argument is all a moot point.
It's all in which way the writer goes. One theory is that we're all
predestined, and that history will happen as it happened, as in "The Final
Countdown", and the other is that we can change history. Your choice.
Gristle P.


----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Thoughts on a post-BATTLE...


>   From what I understand, physicists argue that alternate timelines are
very
> similar to each other and will vary slightly. In one universe, you hit the
> home run, in another, you're sick and miss the game, etc. Just from my own
> personal instincts I don't like to believe that things are unalterable. I
> think we've discussed this before, but both Hasslein and Virgil argue that
> you can "change lanes". One could go either way based on the evidence.
> .    - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 6:59 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Thoughts on a post-BATTLE...
>
>
> > *** Those who argue against a "circular Timeline" have to take
> > into account the fact that Cornelius--who had access to "secret
> > scrolls" that tell the hidden history of Man's downfall and the rise
> > of Apes--specifically mentions both a Dog-and-Cat-killing Plague
> > and an "ape named Aldo"... and, lo and behold, just such a
> > Plague takes place... and an ape with exactly that name appears
> > on the scene, and plays an important role in the transitional time
> > when Man's civilization is nuked out of existence and Simian
> > civilization arises. Granted, he puts forth a supposed 500-year
> > time interval between the Plague and the "advent" of Aldo, but
> > one could brush that aside either with arguments I've gone into
> > beforehand or by supposing that those "secret scrolls" were
> > compiled by imperfect historians centuries after the fact, who got
> > some of the details wrong. But that STILL doesn't invalidate the
> > fact that in BOTH of the "two timelines" (i.e. the "non-circular"
> > theory) there was the Pet Plague and that ape named Aldo...
> >
> > I think the Circular Timeline better accounts for this. But that's
> > just me... feel free to argue against it.
> >
> > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > EARTH-TIME 6-09-2002
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > Like I said, it was never definitively decided, just implied.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2002 3:57
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Thoughts on a
> > post-BATTLE...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That is a valid interpetation. But there are those, including
> > Paul
> > > > Dehn, that see it as a time circle.
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > > > > In a message dated 6/8/2002 10:10:16 AM Central
> > Standard Time,
> > > > > veetus@e... writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >   I put "Battle" in an alternate timeline initiated by
> > "Escape",
> > > > so one can
> > > > > > assume the physiology of those apes are different than
> > our apes.
> > > > I put
> > > > > > "Planet" and "Beneath" in our timeline (for gits and
> > shiggles)
> > > > and assume
> > > > > > our apes were genetically altered in the future.
> > > > > >      - - - Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with you here. Both "Conquest" and "Battle" are part
> > of
> > > > the second
> > > > > timeline initiated by the Ape-o-nauts arrival in "Escape."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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The insectoid race isn't as bad as I feared, it has an eerie
"Outer Limits" feel.

I still think I should sue the bastard!
I copyrighted the bugs and monkeys thing years ago!

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----- Original Message -----

From: thypentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 5:55 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Time Travel

 Even if someone does time travel eventually, all we would know in this time line is that that person vanished and never came back. My theory as stated earlier is that you can't backtrack. If someone here did time travel they would exit our current time line and enter another identical one that reflects any changes you make. You can never return to your original as this would introduce an unstable element into this time line. At least that's my theory, I make no claims to know anything concrete of course.

Anyone interested in this kinda thing should check out this guys website. http://www.mkaku.org/

ThyPentacle

  Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

Yes but it is all still just theory until somebody DOES time travel, that's
why I hate it when people claim to know about it.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Monday, 10 June 2002 4:33
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Thoughts on a post-BATTLE...
>
>
>   All I can say is there have been scientists in the past who
> said going to
> the moon was impossible. They're probably kicking themselves right now (or
> maybe not). Etc.                          - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 9:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Thoughts on a post-BATTLE...
>
>
> >   Since we'll never time travel anyway, the argument is all a
> moot point.
> > It's all in which way the writer goes. One theory is that we're all
> > predestined, and that history will happen as it happened, as in
> "The Final
> > Countdown", and the other is that we can change history. Your choice.
> > Gristle P.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <veetus@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 12:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Thoughts on a post-BATTLE...
> >
> >
> > >   From what I understand, physicists argue that alternate
> timelines are
> > very
> > > similar to each other and will vary slightly. In one universe, you hit
> the
> > > home run, in another, you're sick and miss the game, etc. Just from my
> own
> > > personal instincts I don't like to believe that things are
> unalterable.
> I
> > > think we've discussed this before, but both Hasslein and Virgil argue
> that
> > > you can "change lanes". One could go either way based on the evidence.
> > > .    - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 6:59 AM
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Thoughts on a post-BATTLE...
> > >
> > >
> > > > *** Those who argue against a "circular Timeline" have to take
> > > > into account the fact that Cornelius--who had access to "secret
> > > > scrolls" that tell the hidden history of Man's downfall and the rise
> > > > of Apes--specifically mentions both a Dog-and-Cat-killing Plague
> > > > and an "ape named Aldo"... and, lo and behold, just such a
> > > > Plague takes place... and an ape with exactly that name appears
> > > > on the scene, and plays an important role in the transitional time
> > > > when Man's civilization is nuked out of existence and Simian
> > > > civilization arises. Granted, he puts forth a supposed 500-year
> > > > time interval between the Plague and the "advent" of Aldo, but
> > > > one could brush that aside either with arguments I've gone into
> > > > beforehand or by supposing that those "secret scrolls" were
> > > > compiled by imperfect historians centuries after the fact, who got
> > > > some of the details wrong. But that STILL doesn't invalidate the
> > > > fact that in BOTH of the "two timelines" (i.e. the "non-circular"
> > > > theory) there was the Pet Plague and that ape named Aldo...
> > > >
> > > > I think the Circular Timeline better accounts for this. But that's
> > > > just me... feel free to argue against it.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > > > EARTH-TIME 6-09-2002
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Like I said, it was never definitively decided, just implied.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2002 3:57
> > > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Thoughts on a
> > > > post-BATTLE...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is a valid interpetation. But there are those, including
> > > > Paul
> > > > > > Dehn, that see it as a time circle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > > > > > > In a message dated 6/8/2002 10:10:16 AM Central
> > > > Standard Time,
> > > > > > > veetus@e... writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   I put "Battle" in an alternate timeline initiated by
> > > > "Escape",
> > > > > > so one can
> > > > > > > > assume the physiology of those apes are different than
> > > > our apes.
> > > > > > I put
> > > > > > > > "Planet" and "Beneath" in our timeline (for gits and
> > > > shiggles)
> > > > > > and assume
> > > > > > > > our apes were genetically altered in the future.
> > > > > > > >      - - - Jeff
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree with you here. Both "Conquest" and "Battle" are part
> > > > of
> > > > > > the second
> > > > > > > timeline initiated by the Ape-o-nauts arrival in "Escape."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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From the BBC:

Police in London are hunting a chimpanzee reported to have broken
into a flat and stolen a mobile phone and electrical equipment.
Officers received reports of burglaries at 0745 BST and 0840 BST on
Sunday at separate addresses in Gore Road, Hackney, east London.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "Only small items of personal
property, a mobile phone and parts of a stereo system, were stolen.

"The caller of the second burglary confirmed to police he had seen
an ape disappearing from the premises."

Mustapha Riat said he had been woken in his ground-floor flat on
Sunday morning to find a large figure with five-foot hairy arms
towering over him.

"I saw this hairy black chimpanzee coming through," the 43-year-old
teacher told The Sun newspaper.

"It was broad and muscular. I was frightened of being bitten."

The first raid had been just 20 doors away at a ground-floor flat
belonging to Gina Davidson, according to The Sun.

"The DVD player was moved and a watch missing," the 23-year-old told
the newspaper.

"Police dusted my flat for fingerprints - but how will that help
catch a chimp?"

The police spokesman said a fair at the nearby sprawling Victoria
Park had been checked for apes but "they have not got any".

"We have our greatest minds on this one," he said.

Another resident, Tony Morgan, said he thought the chimpanzee may
have got into his home.

"When I got up on Sunday all the stuff was on the floor in the
middle of the room, so I know someone got in to nick something but
whether it was chimpanzee I don't know," he told the BBC.

"The bloke down the road said he had been robbed by a chimpanzee.

"I just thought it was a wind-up, but when I looked at the window
and the way it was open I began to think it was true.

"When the woman came down to take finger prints she couldn't get
prints - they were all smudges.

"It's weird. I don't know whether to believe it or not."

Police said they did not disbelieve people who thought they had been
woken up by a chimpanzee.

They are looking for a suspect who is three-foot tall with a large
amount of luxuriant dark hair.

Officers are advising residents not to leave large bowls of bananas
in prominent positions and to leave their windows closed.

> Mustapha Riat said he had been woken in his ground-floor flat on
> Sunday morning to find a large figure with five-foot hairy arms
> towering over him.

Sounds more like something from Planet Of The Mutants...! ;)
Gristle P.

In a message dated 6/10/02 7:53:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

<< Police in London are hunting a chimpanzee reported to have broken
into a flat and stolen a mobile phone and electrical equipment.
Officers received reports of burglaries at 0745 BST and 0840 BST on
Sunday at separate addresses in Gore Road, Hackney, east London. >>

Wow, funny stuff! I'm saving this one.

-Joe

Attachments :

Well, Unless I find something better I'll be using something like this as a
Toons DVD Background.

Best.
Al


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That episode guide/article was printed in Epilog at least twice, so I'm
sure someone here can provide a better scan than that. If not, I'll dig
it out and scan it myself.

ABMAC

On Monday, June 10, 2002, at 11:27 PM, Calima 5021 wrote:

>
> Well, Unless I find something better I'll be using something like this
> as a
> Toons DVD Background.
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
> _____

Alex, can't you screen grab a scene from the cartoon off the documentary?
Whoa! - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:27 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Apes Toon Background


>
> Well, Unless I find something better I'll be using something like this as
a
> Toons DVD Background.
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
> _____

Al

This is the best I could do.

http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/toons.jpg

I kept it as large as possible for you.

Is the link enough or do you need me to send you the scan?

Michael

Alex, can't you screen grab a scene from the cartoon off the documentary?
Whoa! - - Jeff

Yeah, I can but only so large.
When I try a 600X800 it only gets blury.

But I did get a couple of good ones from Dave and Michael.
Thanks

Best.
Al


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that is the same picture that is on my vhs copy. the cover is
different but that picture is on the actual tape. eddie

--- In pota@y..., "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@m...> wrote:
>
> Well, Unless I find something better I'll be using something like
this as a
> Toons DVD Background.
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
> _____

>Yes and we'd all much rather talk about Nova's ass;-)

Nova would make the perfect girlfriend since she doesn't talk.:-)

Sorry about the confusion. I was talking about one of T's posts.

-Tom

>
>You've lost me.
>
>Michael
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Melkor [melkor@...]
>> Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2002 10:07
>> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Politics & POTA [somewhat OT]
>>
>>
>> And then people here would not have to see any posts about
>> Hillary's ass.
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Melkor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:08 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Nova

>Yes and we'd all much rather talk about Nova's ass;-)

Nova would make the perfect girlfriend since she doesn't talk.:-)



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>--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
>>>Yet Heston could have declined to play the part, had he had
>>>any qualms about the thematic content of the film. Although
>>>Heston
>>
>> And would that happen before or after your pole-shifted
>>Australia moves to the northern hemisphere?
>
>***Would WHAT happen? Heston's decision to appear in POTA?
>That'd be in, oh, what was it? about 1966-7...? I don't quite know
>what kinda point you're trying to make here, Morgoth...
>
>Patrick

Sorry Patrick but your implying that actors are the same as the roles they are
performing because professional actors like Heston don't play roles that are
different from them reminded me about one of your earlier Greatest Hits. But
maybe Heston really does let out a big hearty laugh to mock the patriotic
schmoes who put up American flags like Taylor does. And maybe Heston wants the
same liberal utopia Taylor wants in his POTA monologue. Maybe actors never
play characters who are different than them...and maybe Australia will
"pole-shift" over to a different hemisphere. Anything can happen in the
Patrick universe.

>personal instincts I don't like to believe that things are unalterable. I
>think we've discussed this before, but both Hasslein and Virgil argue that
>you can "change lanes". One could go either way based on the evidence.

Virgil was ripping off Hasslein's theory about changing the future word
for word -- without giving Hasslein any credit for it. In BATTLE we
see firsthand the process of the apes "apeing" the human culture.

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because I am so overlimit, MSN won't let me send

See Lynne!  Microsoft is pure evil.

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sent out my want list, but because I am so overlimit, MSN won't let me send,
I guess. I hope this makes it through!!! I want Battle, too!

Lynne

Lynne, send me your P.O. Box and I'll ship it too you.
Requests are in the past, but I now you've been busy, so no problemo.

Best.
Al



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>
>mistreatment of all humans in BATTLE: granted, in BATTLE, the
>guns are all kept locked up in Mandemus' Armory. But the

In BATTLE the weapons are viewed as a necessary evil. They are needed
for protection but they are also tightly controlled (locked in the armory)
and considered highly dangerous "the greatest danger of all".

>gorillas all seem to have truncheons and short swords, and their
>physical size and strength has given them an advantage that the
>average human cannot counter. Could MacDonald, Teacher, and
>the other humans hope to win in a fight against the gunless
>army of gorillas? Not a chance.

Yes because Caesar who they trusted could have stopped Aldo, with guns
if necessary. Until war came no one had access to weapons except Caesar
and Mandemus. Caesar trusted both an orangutan and a human with a gun
but not a gorilla. MacDonald could have killed Aldo if he had wanted to
with his weapon Mandemus gave him.

>And when the gorillas raid the
>Armory and acquire the guns, the chances of avoiding the
>pogrom that Aldo intends for them become reduced to nothing
>(remember when Aldo orders his gorilla soldiers to kill all the

Aldo got the guns when war had broken out. If Aldo's military coup (very
common in the 1960's and 1970's) had succeded "Aldo says what we do now" he
would have become the government leader as in the original timeline and
all the humans would have fled or been killed. Governments can kill people
pretty easily when they want to. Think Rawanda or Yugoslavia.

>unarmed humans imprisoned in the corral?).

Like the Japanese-American internment camps of WWII.

>There are two extremes: the LEFT would have NO guns at all
>(which, in BATTLE, leaves humans at a distinct disadvantage),

What you call "the left" here does not exist, because there is no
group who believes that guns should not exist at all. And the 1960's
were filled with leftwing groups who believed in violence. Think
black panthers, Viet Cong, SLA.

>whilst the RIGHT would have guns for EVERYBODY (which
>would be quite dangerous in a climate of racial hatred, where

No restrictions at all would be the NRA stance.

>"lessers"). A middle ground might be to have equal
>representation in government (in BATTLE, humans weren't
>allowed in the Council, remember), as well as equal
>representation in the POLICE (but, in BATTLE, only the gorillas, it

This "middle ground" sounds extreme leftwing. Most people reject racial
quotas.

Attachments :

I did two. Here's the first.

Attachments :

Here's the second. I like this one best.

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I did two. Here's the first.

Good One!

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Here's the second. I like this one best.


Well, looks like you did it again, James.
I like the intro image, I'll use that as the Background to the toons.
I'll change the coloring to red as in the intro itself and write Return to
the Planet of the Apes on top, with the episodes going down on the left hand
side. That would be perfect.

Thanks to all for your input and backgrounds. You'll be seeing a sneak peek
this weekend. There will two DVDs for this one, with 7 episodes in Disc 1
and 6 episodes in Disc 2.

Best.
Al





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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 8:16 AM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Heston's politics & POTA [somewhat OT]

 

  Parents who spank their kids wind up in prison, too, thanks to our way over the top domestic violence laws. Etc.                                              - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 7:50 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Heston's politics & POTA [somewhat OT]

Well, there is such a thing as bad-seed.  And anyone, if ridiculed enough, as teenagers often do, has the potential of becoming an extroverted suicide.  But I do think parents should be more responsible in child rearing.  Especially with all the teenage Yahoos I see on the road these days.  If you want to make good use of that book by Dr. Spock, spank you kids with it.  It may sound cruel, but then so does life in prison, which is where bad kids end up when the grow up.

I think that
the families of the victims should be able to sue the parents of
those Columbine killers--bankrupt them. If other parents of
"troubled teens" knew that their entire monetary holdings
could/would be confiscated if their kids were to commit similar
murders, perhaps they would do a better job of
parenting--including keeping guns locked up and out of the
reach of their kids, as well as monitoring their kids' activities
(such as Bomb-making, for Christ's sake!).

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----- Original Message -----

From: Calima 5021

Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:06 AM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: DVD List for Battle

 

Just a note to remind you that I switched my DVD request to the toons. :o)
Unless of course you're giving me both, please cancel my Battle uncut DVD.
Also, would you like me to send you shipping costs?? I forgot to ask.

ThyPentacle


Humm..I forgot about that.
But if you plan on getting Battle UNcut later in JULY, there's no difference
in getting Battle UNcut now. Because Toons will be the same price as Battle
UNcut in JULY. 10 bucks.

If not, let me know.

Best.
Al



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----- Original Message -----

From: Melkor

Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:09 AM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Nova

 

>Yes and we'd all much rather talk about Nova's ass;-)

Nova would make the perfect girlfriend since she doesn't talk.:-)

hmmm....

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sure

>From: "Eileen Rankin" <emr1623@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: DVD List for Battle
>Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:31:21 -0700
>
>Is it too late for me to place an order? I am interested in the 2001
>stuff. I will send you my home address as soon as you respond. Thanks
>---eileen
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Calima 5021
>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:06 AM
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: DVD List for Battle
>
>
>
>Just a note to remind you that I switched my DVD request to the toons. :o)
>Unless of course you're giving me both, please cancel my Battle uncut DVD.
>Also, would you like me to send you shipping costs?? I forgot to ask.
>
>ThyPentacle
>
>
>Humm..I forgot about that.
>But if you plan on getting Battle UNcut later in JULY, there's no
>difference
>in getting Battle UNcut now. Because Toons will be the same price as Battle
>UNcut in JULY. 10 bucks.
>
>If not, let me know.
>
>Best.
>Al
>
>
>
>_____

_____

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Nova would make the perfect girlfriend since she doesn't talk.:-)

We've already done that joke.

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Best.
AL


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>OK, here's a good place to start - a philosophical discussion.
>
>Where did these talking apes who walk in an upright manner get these gifts
>from?

PLANET and BENEATH don't really address this, and ESCAPE is ambigious about it.
But the original book does have an explanation: that the apes already had the
capacity for intelligence (and apparently walking upright) but required
extensive contact with human civilization to realize that potential. CONQUEST
and BATTLE assume the same explanation. CONQUEST even makes this explanation
"canon", when Armando explains to Caesar that the apes intelligence had been
underestimated all along, until after the dog/cat plague in 1983.

Of course scientists do not think apes have the mental or vocal capacity for
intelligence, and they are probably right. But scientists have been wrong
about things before. e.g. They used to believe apes weren't intelligent enough
to use tools. So the explanation in CONQUEST (and the book) that the apes
had been underestimated is plausible enough in the POTA universe, and nothing
else really seems to make any sense.

>Maybe it was a Civil War, seeing as USA seems to be the world for the
>purpose of every POTA movie.

There was a comic series in the 1980's called APE CITY that was supposed
to take place in Europe. But I was never able to find any issues of it.

I always wandered if Virden and Burke and gone far enough south, would
they have found Spanish speaking apes? Or if humans had still ruled Mexico
wouldn't the apes be aware of it? There could have been an interesting
episode.

Did anyone here think it was something to do with evolution? eg the
apes are evolving and could even continue to evolve into humans (or
something better).

I am not being scientific about this because the rate of evolution is
quite laughable, but so is a lot of the stuff Serling wrote.

I also got the strong impression that it is suggested the event that
enabled the evolution process (and maybe the cause of it being so
swift) was that the humans destroyed each other in a nuclear war
(suggested in POTA at the end - but not specific, then confirmed in
Beneath).

I guess because Beneath (and the comic book at that) was my first
exposure to POTA I already assumed the Nuke War connsction before I
saw Planet (and the end of Planet was kinda lame by then!).

Michael

--- "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:

>
> >OK, here's a good place to start - a philosophical discussion.
> >
> >Where did these talking apes who walk in an upright manner get

these gifts

> >from?
>
> PLANET and BENEATH don't really address this, and ESCAPE is

ambigious about it.

> But the original book does have an explanation: that the apes

already had the

> capacity for intelligence (and apparently walking upright) but

required

> extensive contact with human civilization to realize that

potential. CONQUEST

> and BATTLE assume the same explanation. CONQUEST even makes this

explanation

> "canon", when Armando explains to Caesar that the apes intelligence

had been

> underestimated all along, until after the dog/cat plague in 1983.
>
> Of course scientists do not think apes have the mental or vocal

capacity for

> intelligence, and they are probably right. But scientists have

been wrong

> about things before. e.g. They used to believe apes weren't

intelligent enough

> to use tools. So the explanation in CONQUEST (and the book) that

the apes

> had been underestimated is plausible enough in the POTA universe,

and nothing

> else really seems to make any sense.
>
>
>
>

It's "Adami", and where'd you get that picture?
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Coming Soon...


>
> Coming Soon.
> The Krueger Collection.
>
> Best.
> AL
>
>
> _____

I'm reading the POTA2001 version of that right now, AKA "The Fall" by
William Quick. The Oberon folks change the laranyx and the intelligence
makes their heads bigger (the mother dies giving birth to a genetically
altered ape because the heads too big).
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:18 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Topic 1: Where did the apes come from?


>
> >OK, here's a good place to start - a philosophical discussion.
> >
> >Where did these talking apes who walk in an upright manner get these
gifts
> >from?
>
> PLANET and BENEATH don't really address this, and ESCAPE is ambigious
about it.
> But the original book does have an explanation: that the apes already had
the
> capacity for intelligence (and apparently walking upright) but required
> extensive contact with human civilization to realize that potential.
CONQUEST
> and BATTLE assume the same explanation. CONQUEST even makes this
explanation
> "canon", when Armando explains to Caesar that the apes intelligence had
been
> underestimated all along, until after the dog/cat plague in 1983.
>
> Of course scientists do not think apes have the mental or vocal capacity
for
> intelligence, and they are probably right. But scientists have been wrong
> about things before. e.g. They used to believe apes weren't intelligent
enough
> to use tools. So the explanation in CONQUEST (and the book) that the apes
> had been underestimated is plausible enough in the POTA universe, and
nothing
> else really seems to make any sense.
>
>
>
>

100 years ago the world we live in today would have been considered like
"Star Wars" to their scientists. In fact, they didn't have "Star Wars"
either. Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:18 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Topic 1: Where did the apes come from?


>
> >OK, here's a good place to start - a philosophical discussion.
> >
> >Where did these talking apes who walk in an upright manner get these
gifts
> >from?
>
> PLANET and BENEATH don't really address this, and ESCAPE is ambigious
about it.
> But the original book does have an explanation: that the apes already had
the
> capacity for intelligence (and apparently walking upright) but required
> extensive contact with human civilization to realize that potential.
CONQUEST
> and BATTLE assume the same explanation. CONQUEST even makes this
explanation
> "canon", when Armando explains to Caesar that the apes intelligence had
been
> underestimated all along, until after the dog/cat plague in 1983.
>
> Of course scientists do not think apes have the mental or vocal capacity
for
> intelligence, and they are probably right. But scientists have been wrong
> about things before. e.g. They used to believe apes weren't intelligent
enough
> to use tools. So the explanation in CONQUEST (and the book) that the apes
> had been underestimated is plausible enough in the POTA universe, and
nothing
> else really seems to make any sense.
>
>
>
>

We must also remember that science was back a few notches when the films
were made. I think I read that it was 1973 when an experiment showed apes
don't have the vocal equipment to pronounce consonants. If they are ever
going to talk like in POTA they'll need our help. Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Topic 1: Where did the apes come f


> Did anyone here think it was something to do with evolution? eg the
> apes are evolving and could even continue to evolve into humans (or
> something better).
>
> I am not being scientific about this because the rate of evolution is
> quite laughable, but so is a lot of the stuff Serling wrote.
>
> I also got the strong impression that it is suggested the event that
> enabled the evolution process (and maybe the cause of it being so
> swift) was that the humans destroyed each other in a nuclear war
> (suggested in POTA at the end - but not specific, then confirmed in
> Beneath).
>
> I guess because Beneath (and the comic book at that) was my first
> exposure to POTA I already assumed the Nuke War connsction before I
> saw Planet (and the end of Planet was kinda lame by then!).
>
> Michael
>
> --- "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> >
> > >OK, here's a good place to start - a philosophical discussion.
> > >
> > >Where did these talking apes who walk in an upright manner get
> these gifts
> > >from?
> >
> > PLANET and BENEATH don't really address this, and ESCAPE is
> ambigious about it.
> > But the original book does have an explanation: that the apes
> already had the
> > capacity for intelligence (and apparently walking upright) but
> required
> > extensive contact with human civilization to realize that
> potential. CONQUEST
> > and BATTLE assume the same explanation. CONQUEST even makes this
> explanation
> > "canon", when Armando explains to Caesar that the apes intelligence
> had been
> > underestimated all along, until after the dog/cat plague in 1983.
> >
> > Of course scientists do not think apes have the mental or vocal
> capacity for
> > intelligence, and they are probably right. But scientists have
> been wrong
> > about things before. e.g. They used to believe apes weren't
> intelligent enough
> > to use tools. So the explanation in CONQUEST (and the book) that
> the apes
> > had been underestimated is plausible enough in the POTA universe,
> and nothing
> > else really seems to make any sense.
> >
> >
> >
> >

Oh, the pain. POTA won nothing at the Saturn Awards the other night, not
even Best Screenplay. The big sci-fi winner was "AI" (including Best
Screenplay). Ironic, since it was Spielberg's last minute decision to do
"AI" before "Minority Report" that got POTA put into an impossible schedule.
Adding insult to injury, Spielberg confirmed there will be a "Jurassic Park
4". So, will every movie that came out in 2001 get a sequel before "Apes"
does? Sorry, there won't be a "Roger Rabbit 2". Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Topic 1: Where did the apes come f


> We must also remember that science was back a few notches when the films
> were made. I think I read that it was 1973 when an experiment showed apes
> don't have the vocal equipment to pronounce consonants. If they are ever
> going to talk like in POTA they'll need our help. Etc. - - -
Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Topic 1: Where did the apes come f
>
>
> > Did anyone here think it was something to do with evolution? eg the
> > apes are evolving and could even continue to evolve into humans (or
> > something better).
> >
> > I am not being scientific about this because the rate of evolution is
> > quite laughable, but so is a lot of the stuff Serling wrote.
> >
> > I also got the strong impression that it is suggested the event that
> > enabled the evolution process (and maybe the cause of it being so
> > swift) was that the humans destroyed each other in a nuclear war
> > (suggested in POTA at the end - but not specific, then confirmed in
> > Beneath).
> >
> > I guess because Beneath (and the comic book at that) was my first
> > exposure to POTA I already assumed the Nuke War connsction before I
> > saw Planet (and the end of Planet was kinda lame by then!).
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > >OK, here's a good place to start - a philosophical discussion.
> > > >
> > > >Where did these talking apes who walk in an upright manner get
> > these gifts
> > > >from?
> > >
> > > PLANET and BENEATH don't really address this, and ESCAPE is
> > ambigious about it.
> > > But the original book does have an explanation: that the apes
> > already had the
> > > capacity for intelligence (and apparently walking upright) but
> > required
> > > extensive contact with human civilization to realize that
> > potential. CONQUEST
> > > and BATTLE assume the same explanation. CONQUEST even makes this
> > explanation
> > > "canon", when Armando explains to Caesar that the apes intelligence
> > had been
> > > underestimated all along, until after the dog/cat plague in 1983.
> > >
> > > Of course scientists do not think apes have the mental or vocal
> > capacity for
> > > intelligence, and they are probably right. But scientists have
> > been wrong
> > > about things before. e.g. They used to believe apes weren't
> > intelligent enough
> > > to use tools. So the explanation in CONQUEST (and the book) that
> > the apes
> > > had been underestimated is plausible enough in the POTA universe,
> > and nothing
> > > else really seems to make any sense.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Exactly Jeff. But there have been some "talking" apes (one named
Vicki for example). many others have been taught to "talk" through
other mediums also.

Michael

--- <veetus@...> wrote:

> We must also remember that science was back a few notches when

the films

> were made. I think I read that it was 1973 when an experiment

showed apes

> don't have the vocal equipment to pronounce consonants. If they are

ever

> going to talk like in POTA they'll need our help. Etc. -

- - Jeff

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Topic 1: Where did the apes

come f

>
>
> > Did anyone here think it was something to do with evolution? eg

the

> > apes are evolving and could even continue to evolve into humans

(or

> > something better).
> >
> > I am not being scientific about this because the rate of

evolution is

> > quite laughable, but so is a lot of the stuff Serling wrote.
> >
> > I also got the strong impression that it is suggested the event

that

> > enabled the evolution process (and maybe the cause of it being so
> > swift) was that the humans destroyed each other in a nuclear war
> > (suggested in POTA at the end - but not specific, then confirmed

in

> > Beneath).
> >
> > I guess because Beneath (and the comic book at that) was my first
> > exposure to POTA I already assumed the Nuke War connsction before

I

> > saw Planet (and the end of Planet was kinda lame by then!).
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > >OK, here's a good place to start - a philosophical discussion.
> > > >
> > > >Where did these talking apes who walk in an upright manner get
> > these gifts
> > > >from?
> > >
> > > PLANET and BENEATH don't really address this, and ESCAPE is
> > ambigious about it.
> > > But the original book does have an explanation: that the apes
> > already had the
> > > capacity for intelligence (and apparently walking upright) but
> > required
> > > extensive contact with human civilization to realize that
> > potential. CONQUEST
> > > and BATTLE assume the same explanation. CONQUEST even makes

this

> > explanation
> > > "canon", when Armando explains to Caesar that the apes

intelligence

> > had been
> > > underestimated all along, until after the dog/cat plague in

1983.

> > >
> > > Of course scientists do not think apes have the mental or vocal
> > capacity for
> > > intelligence, and they are probably right. But scientists have
> > been wrong
> > > about things before. e.g. They used to believe apes weren't
> > intelligent enough
> > > to use tools. So the explanation in CONQUEST (and the book) that
> > the apes
> > > had been underestimated is plausible enough in the POTA

universe,

> > and nothing
> > > else really seems to make any sense.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

.htmlIn a message dated 6/12/2002 5:37:51 PM Central Standard Time, melkor@... writes:

There was a comic series in the 1980's called APE CITY that was supposed
to take place in Europe.  But I was never able to find any issues of it.

I have these issues of the 1990's comics, and they are, simply put horrible. Believe me, you're not missing out on anything by not being able to find any issues of them. Those comics make such a joke of the Apes name it isn't even funny...<.html

I think Apes 2001 needs a re-imagining rather than a sequel.

Michael

--- <veetus@...> wrote:

> Oh, the pain. POTA won nothing at the Saturn Awards the other

night, not

> even Best Screenplay. The big sci-fi winner was "AI" (including Best
> Screenplay). Ironic, since it was Spielberg's last minute decision

to do

> "AI" before "Minority Report" that got POTA put into an impossible

schedule.

> Adding insult to injury, Spielberg confirmed there will be

a "Jurassic Park

> 4". So, will every movie that came out in 2001 get a sequel

before "Apes"

> does? Sorry, there won't be a "Roger Rabbit 2". Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <veetus@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Topic 1: Where did the apes

come f

>
>
> > We must also remember that science was back a few notches when

the films

> > were made. I think I read that it was 1973 when an experiment

showed apes

> > don't have the vocal equipment to pronounce consonants. If they

are ever

> > going to talk like in POTA they'll need our help.

Etc. - - -

> Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <whitty@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Topic 1: Where did the apes

come f

> >
> >
> > > Did anyone here think it was something to do with evolution?

eg the

> > > apes are evolving and could even continue to evolve into humans

(or

> > > something better).
> > >
> > > I am not being scientific about this because the rate of

evolution is

> > > quite laughable, but so is a lot of the stuff Serling wrote.
> > >
> > > I also got the strong impression that it is suggested the event

that

> > > enabled the evolution process (and maybe the cause of it being

so

> > > swift) was that the humans destroyed each other in a nuclear war
> > > (suggested in POTA at the end - but not specific, then

confirmed in

> > > Beneath).
> > >
> > > I guess because Beneath (and the comic book at that) was my

first

> > > exposure to POTA I already assumed the Nuke War connsction

before I

> > > saw Planet (and the end of Planet was kinda lame by then!).
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > --- "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >OK, here's a good place to start - a philosophical

discussion.

> > > > >
> > > > >Where did these talking apes who walk in an upright manner

get

> > > these gifts
> > > > >from?
> > > >
> > > > PLANET and BENEATH don't really address this, and ESCAPE is
> > > ambigious about it.
> > > > But the original book does have an explanation: that the apes
> > > already had the
> > > > capacity for intelligence (and apparently walking upright) but
> > > required
> > > > extensive contact with human civilization to realize that
> > > potential. CONQUEST
> > > > and BATTLE assume the same explanation. CONQUEST even makes

this

> > > explanation
> > > > "canon", when Armando explains to Caesar that the apes

intelligence

> > > had been
> > > > underestimated all along, until after the dog/cat plague in

1983.

> > > >
> > > > Of course scientists do not think apes have the mental or

vocal

> > > capacity for
> > > > intelligence, and they are probably right. But scientists

have

> > > been wrong
> > > > about things before. e.g. They used to believe apes weren't
> > > intelligent enough
> > > > to use tools. So the explanation in CONQUEST (and the book)

that

> > > the apes
> > > > had been underestimated is plausible enough in the POTA

universe,

> > > and nothing
> > > > else really seems to make any sense.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

I remember being in San Fransisco in 1990 in a comic store (where I
bought a bong and asked about vintage apes comics). The guy told me
he had heard a new series was coming and I was stunned.

When it did come, it was crap of course (I mean what do you expect,
isn't that the pattern with POTA stuff that it gets worse every time
somebody tries something?).

But of course I still collected them all and I had a faint hope when
they came out with a "Terror" series that maybe they might have some
unpublished stories (or maybe they could pick up the ball). More
disappointment.

It was good to see apes comics again, and they were nowhere near as
bad as the more recent ones.

Michael

--- mlccougar@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/12/2002 5:37:51 PM Central Standard Time,
> melkor@... writes:
>
>
> > There was a comic series in the 1980's called APE CITY that was

supposed

> > to take place in Europe. But I was never able to find any issues

of it.

>
> I have these issues of the 1990's comics, and they are, simply put

horrible.

> Believe me, you're not missing out on anything by not being able to

find any

> issues of them. Those comics make such a joke of the Apes name it

isn't even

> funny...
>

Just got the uncut Battle DVD. It looks great. Thanks again!!!

What would you write about if you were told you could create a script
for a new apes movie or a story line for a comic?

Once we get a topic, I seriously think we should have a crack at
trying a story line.

I mean seriously, everyone else has screwed it up so bad we could be
on to something here!

I always entertained a prequel to Planet where the ship lands around
2500. Stewart is the only one to recover from suspended animation
and witnesses the ape culture at an earlier stage (maybe even the
original revolution). This story would also have a setting in the
cave where the talking doll and pacemaker/dentures are found.

Stewart eventually makes her way back to the ship and attempts to
return to earth a la Zira, Milo and Cornelius but alas the ship goes
further forward.

This is also a good way to explain some of Zaius' prophecies that
Taylor would come - the apes that witnessed Stewart getting back to
the ship also knew it could go into the future.

One problem:

How can I get the ship to land without being damaged or sinking?

Michael


--- mlccougar@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/12/2002 5:37:51 PM Central Standard Time,
> melkor@... writes:
>
>
> > There was a comic series in the 1980's called APE CITY that was

supposed

> > to take place in Europe. But I was never able to find any issues

of it.

>
> I have these issues of the 1990's comics, and they are, simply put

horrible.

> Believe me, you're not missing out on anything by not being able to

find any

> issues of them. Those comics make such a joke of the Apes name it

isn't even

> funny...
>

I never got around to getting these. Are they worth a look? For the
unintiated, it's an APES/Alien Nation crossover tale.
Gristle P.

----- Original Message -----
From: <mlccougar@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "European Apes"


> In a message dated 6/12/2002 5:37:51 PM Central Standard Time,
> melkor@... writes:
>
>
> > There was a comic series in the 1980's called APE CITY that was supposed
> > to take place in Europe. But I was never able to find any issues of it.
>
> I have these issues of the 1990's comics, and they are, simply put
horrible.
> Believe me, you're not missing out on anything by not being able to find
any
> issues of them. Those comics make such a joke of the Apes name it isn't
even
> funny...
>

.htmlIn a message dated 6/12/2002 8:44:56 PM Central Standard Time, stringe@... writes:

I never got around to getting these. Are they worth a look? For the
unintiated, it's an APES/Alien Nation crossover tale.
Gristle P.

I only have the first issue of this thing, and I've never even bothered to read it. I think these "cross overs" of anything are a waste of time and effort, and both groups in the cross over are made to look stupid. To me, it bastardizes both of them. It makes APES look stupid, and it makes A.N. look stupid. And how any one could set back and say that  crosssing the two was a good idea is beyond me. I mean really, APES should be APES... It doesn't need this tie in sh*t. It cheapens it and in the end it always takes APES one step lower on the ladder. And some set back and say anything with the word APES in the title is APES, not in my book it's not. The only thing those comics from the 90's have going for them are a few do have decent cover drawings (too bad the stories inside aren't up to what shoulda been...)

I'll say this for them, thankfully they never did the idea of crossing APES with Predator... What a bunch of sh*t that woulda been...<.html

Attachments :

Damn, that was quick.
I guess the rest on the list will be getting theirs shortly.

Best.
Al

>From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: DVD Coming Soon...
>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:45:36 -0000
>

_____

Opps..I knew it was something like that, sorry.
The pictures came from images on the net, in this case, Adami's web site a
long time ago.

I'm not going to use it, I was just toying around.

Best.
Al

>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Coming Soon...
>Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:59:00 -0700
>
> It's "Adami", and where'd you get that picture?
> - - - Jeff
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:12 PM
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Coming Soon...
>
>
> >
> > Coming Soon.
> > The Krueger Collection.
> >
> > Best.
> > AL
> >
> >
> > _____

_____

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But there have been some "talking" apes (one named Vicki for example).

True, but after six years Vicki could only say Mama, Papa, Cup and Up. There would have to be some sort of mutation in the voice box before they could do much better than that.

<.html

Hi everyone!! I`m a new fan of the series and I just wanted to say
hello!! :)

Also I read that there is a special DVD available that you guys
ordered. Where can I order it from??

Thanks,
Chris

In a message dated 6/12/02 10:06:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
cgenro@... writes:

<< Hi everyone!! I`m a new fan of the series and I just wanted to say
hello!! :)

Also I read that there is a special DVD available that you guys
ordered. Where can I order it from??

Thanks,
Chris >>

Welcome to the group. Alex, a cool guy here, is giving out free DVDs of
either the Ape Toons, Battle uncut, or the uncut 2001. I think Battle was
shipped out already so you can't have that. You can get either toons,
shipping next month, or 2001. Extra copies cost 10 dollars.

HAve fun here!

-Joe

In a message dated 6/12/02 10:08:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

<< Welcome to the group. Alex, a cool guy here, is giving out free DVDs of
either the Ape Toons, Battle uncut, or the uncut 2001. I think Battle was
shipped out already so you can't have that. You can get either toons,
shipping next month, or 2001. Extra copies cost 10 dollars.

HAve fun here!

-Joe >>

Forgot to mention - you have to e-mail him with your request and your
address. His e-mail address is in the group, I can't pull it up now.

-Joe

Attachments :

Hey, Joe.
Did you ever request?
I never did see your request. If not, please request again.

Best.
Al

>From: CheeseGOTAS@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hi, I`m new here
>Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:10:00 EDT
>

_____

what`s new in the uncut version of POTA 2001???

Apes vs Predator, huh...? I never thought of that. In the right hands, it
might stand a chance. Neat thing about the Predators, is that they can be
placed in nearly any timeline.
Gristle P.

----- Original Message -----
From: <mlccougar@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] So, How was "Ape Nation"?


> In a message dated 6/12/2002 8:44:56 PM Central Standard Time,
> stringe@... writes:
>
>
> > I never got around to getting these. Are they worth a look? For the
> > unintiated, it's an APES/Alien Nation crossover tale.
> > Gristle P.
> >
>
> I only have the first issue of this thing, and I've never even bothered to
> read it. I think these "cross overs" of anything are a waste of time and
> effort, and both groups in the cross over are made to look stupid. To me,
it
> bastardizes both of them. It makes APES look stupid, and it makes A.N.
look
> stupid. And how any one could set back and say that crosssing the two was
a
> good idea is beyond me. I mean really, APES should be APES... It doesn't
need
> this tie in sh*t. It cheapens it and in the end it always takes APES one
step
> lower on the ladder. And some set back and say anything with the word APES
in
> the title is APES, not in my book it's not. The only thing those comics
from
> the 90's have going for them are a few do have decent cover drawings (too
bad
> the stories inside aren't up to what shoulda been...)
>
> I'll say this for them, thankfully they never did the idea of crossing
APES
> with Predator... What a bunch of sh*t that woulda been...
>

Well, "Apes" is now at Dark Horse, the home of the crossover. They're the
folks that brought you "Alien vs. Predator" (which is Fox's next big sci-fi
epic. Don't know if their license includes the original "Apes" but I
wouldn't be surprised if they do "Zauis vs. Predator vs. Superman" and
dedicate it to Cougar. Etc. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] So, How was "Ape Nation"?


> Apes vs Predator, huh...? I never thought of that. In the right hands, it
> might stand a chance. Neat thing about the Predators, is that they can be
> placed in nearly any timeline.
> Gristle P.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mlccougar@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] So, How was "Ape Nation"?
>
>
> > In a message dated 6/12/2002 8:44:56 PM Central Standard Time,
> > stringe@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > I never got around to getting these. Are they worth a look? For the
> > > unintiated, it's an APES/Alien Nation crossover tale.
> > > Gristle P.
> > >
> >
> > I only have the first issue of this thing, and I've never even bothered
to
> > read it. I think these "cross overs" of anything are a waste of time and
> > effort, and both groups in the cross over are made to look stupid. To
me,
> it
> > bastardizes both of them. It makes APES look stupid, and it makes A.N.
> look
> > stupid. And how any one could set back and say that crosssing the two
was
> a
> > good idea is beyond me. I mean really, APES should be APES... It doesn't
> need
> > this tie in sh*t. It cheapens it and in the end it always takes APES one
> step
> > lower on the ladder. And some set back and say anything with the word
APES
> in
> > the title is APES, not in my book it's not. The only thing those comics
> from
> > the 90's have going for them are a few do have decent cover drawings
(too
> bad
> > the stories inside aren't up to what shoulda been...)
> >
> > I'll say this for them, thankfully they never did the idea of crossing
> APES
> > with Predator... What a bunch of sh*t that woulda been...
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 6/12/02 10:35:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
calima5021com@... writes:

<< Hey, Joe.
Did you ever request?
I never did see your request. If not, please request again.

Best.
Al >>

Yeah, I requested. Twice infact. I'll send you another e-mail though.

-Joe

Or an evolution of the voice box maybe?

Michael

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

> > But there have been some "talking" apes (one named Vicki for

example).

>
> True, but after six years Vicki could only say Mama, Papa, Cup and

Up. There

> would have to be some sort of mutation in the voice box before they

could do

> much better than that.
>

.htmlIn a message dated 6/12/2002 11:04:02 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Well, "Apes" is now at Dark Horse, the home of the crossover. They're the
folks that brought you "Alien vs. Predator" (which is Fox's next big sci-fi
epic. Don't know if their license includes the original "Apes" but I
wouldn't be surprised if they do "Zauis vs. Predator vs. Superman" and
dedicate it to Cougar. Etc.                                         - - -
Jeff

Well, I wouldn't care if they crossed anything with pota 2001. It's when they mess around with the ' 68 APES that gets me ticked off. (And, by the way, if I'm not mistaken, didn't you say that the line of comics based on the one from last summer was cancelled anyway? I mean with poor sales, I doubt they'd even try to resurrect anything having to do with it now... I know you were just kidding around when you said what you said, but still, I'm saying that sarcasm or not, I'd doubt they would try it now, but who knows?)


<.html

Attachments :

Nothing at all.
Battle UNcut is the extended version of Battle for the Planet of the Apes.
About Ten Minutes worth including scenes of the Alpha Omega Bomb seen in
Beneath the Planet of the Apes 2000 years later, which ties in Battle with
Beneath.

I have 3 Battle UNcuts left, one for Lynne (If she ever gets around to
sending me her P.O. Box), and two for the asking (those who haven't
requested yet)

These will be shiped out on Monday along with POTA 2001 for Mike Le Master.

Remember, send in your request with which DVD you want and a mailing
address.

Best.
Al

>From: "cgenro" <cgenro@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Hi, I`m new here
>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 03:42:54 -0000
>

_____

.htmlIn a message dated 6/12/2002 10:51:17 PM Central Standard Time, stringe@... writes:

Apes vs Predator, huh...? I never thought of that. In the right hands, it
might stand a chance. Neat thing about the Predators, is that they can be
placed in nearly any timeline.
 Gristle P.

If I remember right ( I could check the issues, but won't right now,) it was a letter from a reader that suggested they do a comic on his supposed two favorite movies (franchises?) I remember when I read that I thought, "Boy you're nuts. How can you even say that?"

And while you may or may not be right about them being able to go in nearly any timeline (I've never seen the whole thing, just a very small bit of it, so I know very little about it,) would you really want it to be placed with APES? I mean think about it, APES doesn't need that does it? Why not just make another Predator story based in whatever world it was in in the film, why drag APES into it? How can they even really be tied together and not look dumb?

Maybe it's just me, but I don't get it. APES was just fine how it was, it didn't need "updating" or "reimagining"... and it sure doesn't need to be made into the Roswell incident or tied in with some Predator story. Next thing you know, someone will try to tie APES in with SW or ST...

<.html

OK forget about tie ins for a while!

What unanswered events would you explore in a script or a comic book?

There was so much in Planet that aroused the curiosity and was left
untouched.

Michael

--- mlccougar@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/12/2002 10:51:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> stringe@... writes:
>
>
> >
> > Apes vs Predator, huh...? I never thought of that. In the right

hands, it

> > might stand a chance. Neat thing about the Predators, is that

they can be

> > placed in nearly any timeline.
> >
>
> If I remember right ( I could check the issues, but won't right

now,) it was

> a letter from a reader that suggested they do a comic on his

supposed two

> favorite movies (franchises?) I remember when I read that I

thought, "Boy

> you're nuts. How can you even say that?"
>
> And while you may or may not be right about them being able to go

in nearly

> any timeline (I've never seen the whole thing, just a very small

bit of it,

> so I know very little about it,) would you really want it to be

placed with

> APES? I mean think about it, APES doesn't need that does it? Why

not just

> make another Predator story based in whatever world it was in in

the film,

> why drag APES into it? How can they even really be tied together

and not look

> dumb?
>
> Maybe it's just me, but I don't get it. APES was just fine how it

was, it

> didn't need "updating" or "reimagining"... and it sure doesn't need

to be

> made into the Roswell incident or tied in with some Predator story.

Next

> thing you know, someone will try to tie APES in with SW or ST...
>

however, the series titled "urchak's folly" was a rather good mini
apes comic series. if you can find it, it is a good read (to me at
least) eddie

> I have these issues of the 1990's comics, and they are, simply put

horrible.

> Believe me, you're not missing out on anything by not being able to

find any

> issues of them. Those comics make such a joke of the Apes name it

isn't even

> funny...

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:49 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] So, How was "Ape Nation"?

In a message dated 6/12/2002 11:04:02 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Well, "Apes" is now at Dark Horse, the home of the crossover. They're the
folks that brought you "Alien vs. Predator" (which is Fox's next big sci-fi
epic. Don't know if their license includes the original "Apes" but I
wouldn't be surprised if they do "Zauis vs. Predator vs. Superman" and
dedicate it to Cougar. Etc.                                         - - -
Jeff

Well, I wouldn't care if they crossed anything with pota 2001. It's when they mess around with the ' 68 APES that gets me ticked off. (And, by the way, if I'm not mistaken, didn't you say that the line of comics based on the one from last summer was cancelled anyway? I mean with poor sales, I doubt they'd even try to resurrect anything having to do with it now... I know you were just kidding around when you said what you said, but still, I'm saying that sarcasm or not, I'd doubt they would try it now, but who knows?)




Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

i would very much like to get the toons dvd (i have it on vhs--all 13
episodes) and the uncut dvd. what will i have to do to get these?
also, what is added to the "uncut" 2001? many scenes? thank you. eddie

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:02 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] So, How was "Ape Nation"?

In a message dated 6/12/2002 10:51:17 PM Central Standard Time, stringe@... writes:

Apes vs Predator, huh...? I never thought of that. In the right hands, it
might stand a chance. Neat thing about the Predators, is that they can be
placed in nearly any timeline.
 Gristle P.

If I remember right ( I could check the issues, but won't right now,) it was a letter from a reader that suggested they do a comic on his supposed two favorite movies (franchises?) I remember when I read that I thought, "Boy you're nuts. How can you even say that?"

And while you may or may not be right about them being able to go in nearly any timeline (I've never seen the whole thing, just a very small bit of it, so I know very little about it,) would you really want it to be placed with APES? I mean think about it, APES doesn't need that does it? Why not just make another Predator story based in whatever world it was in in the film, why drag APES into it? How can they even really be tied together and not look dumb?

Maybe it's just me, but I don't get it. APES was just fine how it was, it didn't need "updating" or "reimagining"... and it sure doesn't need to be made into the Roswell incident or tied in with some Predator story. Next thing you know, someone will try to tie APES in with SW or ST...

<.html

Yes, "Urchak's Folly" was by far the best of those '90's comics. I'd like
to see them reprint that as a graphic novel. Also of interest, the guy who
wrote the "Apes" comic book "The Forbidden Zone" went on to create "Men in
Black" and I assume he's now rich, so he doesn't need to do any crossovers.
Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "epowe_2000" <epowe10097@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:11 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: "European Apes"


> however, the series titled "urchak's folly" was a rather good mini
> apes comic series. if you can find it, it is a good read (to me at
> least) eddie
>
> > I have these issues of the 1990's comics, and they are, simply put
> horrible.
> > Believe me, you're not missing out on anything by not being able to
> find any
> > issues of them. Those comics make such a joke of the Apes name it
> isn't even
> > funny...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Attachments :

All you have to do is send me your mailing address and I'll ship Battle
UNcut to you. This is a favor I'm doing for the group. Toons you can get
later on when I sell them for what it takes for me to make them $10.
I make nothing off of this. IT'S A FAVOR. From one apes fan to another.

UNcut POTA 2001?
If you ever see it, let me know because I've never seen this myself. Your
mixing up Battle UNcut, for POTA 2001 UNcut, get it? :o)

Best.
Al

>From: "epowe_2000" <epowe10097@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Toons and 2001 Uncut DVD
>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:17:34 -0000
>

_____

does anyone out there have any of the scripts/screenplays of apes
movies that were never made? i have a copy of a script by terry hayes
when schwazenegger (sp?) was still in consideration for the apes
movie. it has a very interesting spin on the apes concept. anyone
else have scripts such as this? eddie

i thought the scene in battle with the bomb was on the disk that came
in the box set about 2 years ago??? i will have to rewatch to make
sure, but i know i saw it somewhere before. the toons dvd i am VERY
interested in. also what does everyone think of the tv series box
set? and why couldn't jin and phyllis be the ancestors of
the "talking" apes? wouldn't that be a nice tie in with bouelle? eddie

--- In pota@y..., "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@m...> wrote:
> All you have to do is send me your mailing address and I'll ship
Battle
> UNcut to you. This is a favor I'm doing for the group. Toons you
can get
> later on when I sell them for what it takes for me to make them $10.
> I make nothing off of this. IT'S A FAVOR. From one apes fan to
another.
>
> UNcut POTA 2001?
> If you ever see it, let me know because I've never seen this
myself. Your
> mixing up Battle UNcut, for POTA 2001 UNcut, get it? :o)
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
>
> >From: "epowe_2000" <epowe10097@a...>
> >Reply-To: pota@y...
> >To: pota@y...
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Toons and 2001 Uncut DVD
> >Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:17:34 -0000
> >
>
>
>
>
> _____

3 cheers for Alex! Also, what he means by POTA 2001 is a collection of
interviews, news segments and specials about it. There is no POTA 2001
uncut. It looks to me like they put too much in as it is.
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Toons and 2001 Uncut DVD


> All you have to do is send me your mailing address and I'll ship Battle
> UNcut to you. This is a favor I'm doing for the group. Toons you can get
> later on when I sell them for what it takes for me to make them $10.
> I make nothing off of this. IT'S A FAVOR. From one apes fan to another.
>
> UNcut POTA 2001?
> If you ever see it, let me know because I've never seen this myself. Your
> mixing up Battle UNcut, for POTA 2001 UNcut, get it? :o)
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
>
> >From: "epowe_2000" <epowe10097@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Toons and 2001 Uncut DVD
> >Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:17:34 -0000
> >
>
>
>
>
> _____

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Or an evolution of the voice box maybe?

Evolution is merely a successful mutation.

<.html

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it has a very interesting spin on the apes concept. anyone
else have scripts such as this? eddie

I still think the Sam Hamm script was far superior to the Hayes script. 
Hayes' script isn't woth the read time.

<.html

--- In pota@y..., "epowe_2000" <epowe10097@a...> wrote:

> does anyone out there have any of the scripts/screenplays of apes
> movies that were never made? i have a copy of a script by terry hayes
> when schwazenegger (sp?) was still in consideration for the apes
> movie. it has a very interesting spin on the apes concept. anyone
> else have scripts such as this? eddie

Hey Eddie,

Sam Hamm's script can be found here:

http://scifiscripts.com/scripts/POTA_Remake.txt

Dave

Hey Jeff,

What's the latest on Ape Chronicles? I haven't heard from T Hoknes in about 2 years but keep
hearing rumours of a revival?

Any news?

Dave

If all goes well, it should kick off this summer. If the Lawgiver smiles
upon us. Etc. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "smugster2000" <4print@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:42 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Jeff/chronicles


> Hey Jeff,
>
> What's the latest on Ape Chronicles? I haven't heard from T Hoknes in
about 2 years but keep
> hearing rumours of a revival?
>
> Any news?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Attachments :

Only if you find it in a DVD easter egg. :o)
Toons is fine, but a mailing is needed.

Best.
Al

>From: "epowe_2000" <epowe10097@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Toons and 2001 Uncut DVD
>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:35:35 -0000
>

_____

> We must also remember that science was back a few notches when the films
>were made. I think I read that it was 1973 when an experiment showed apes

Paul Dehn knew about apes vocal problems when he wrote CONQUEST. The
head of the presidential commision refers to it in ESCAPE.

>don't have the vocal equipment to pronounce consonants. If they are ever
>going to talk like in POTA they'll need our help. Etc. - - - Jeff

Nowadays sci-fi writers can use the "genetic enhancement" plot device like POTA
2001 and Spiderman. I agree that the genetically enhanced apes of POTA 2001
make better sense. But I like the idea started in the original POTA book and
continued in the movie series that the apes potential for intelligence was
always there and Boulle gives us real implications to consider.

The bigger premise in Boulle's book is that intelligence or its absence is a
product of environment. Even if that is not really true for apes maybe it is
true for humans? Therefore a human being raised by animals would be no
different than an animal, like they are in his story. Boulle's book is an
attack on the theological concept of a "soul" as something setting humans apart
from other species. The original movie inherits part of this attack from the
book: In the courtroom scene we realize that the apes, at least the
conservative ones, believe that they have souls but humans do not.

>it's fingertips. It's much harder to sustain a regular comics series than to
>miniseries, which is the norm these days. Miniseries are good for book-length
>eprints that can be sold at bookstores. I'd say there's a chance for POTA
>miniseries, maybe even Classic "Apes". Etc.

- - - Jeff


Dark Horse is our best hope for a classic Apes comic miniseries. If they got a
few requests from this group maybe they would consider it. Dark Horse's
business model is built around doing sci-fi movie sequels, prequels, and
related stories. I have some of their Terminator, Aliens, and Star Wars
graphic novels. They already have the rights to Fox's Star Wars franchise
which is similiar to POTA (i.e. 5 movies). Maybe they could start by
reprinting Urchak's Folly. Dark Horse's POTA 2001 comic series ended poorly
but started out well.

"Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:

> I always wandered if Virden and Burke and gone far enough south,

would

> they have found Spanish speaking apes? Or if humans had still ruled

Mexico

> wouldn't the apes be aware of it? There could have been an

interesting

> episode.

Suddenly I can't help picturing an all-musical episode with the
fugitives and Urko all dancing about to the sounds of tijuana brass.

I think I need help.

Alan

<mlccougar@...> wrote:

> I have these issues of the 1990's comics, and they are, simply put

horrible.

> Believe me, you're not missing out on anything by not being able to

find any

> issues of them. Those comics make such a joke of the Apes name it

isn't even

> funny...

I have to say I really enjoyed "Ape City". It was silly, that much is
certain, but it was fun. And that's something that's been missing from
Dark Horse's series. It's also great that they tried bizarre new
stories like this - spin-off comics are the best medium in which to
experiment with different takes on the concept as even if it all goes
hideously wrong there aren't enough readers to worry about having
spoiled Planet of the Apes image or anything. Unlike Burton's movie.

Alan

"Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@...> wrote:

> I never got around to getting these. Are they worth a look? For

the

> unintiated, it's an APES/Alien Nation crossover tale.

Nothing special, but notable for being one of the few PotA comics to
appear in full colour.

Alan

<mlccougar@...> wrote:

> It makes APES look stupid, and it makes A.N. look
> stupid. And how any one could set back and say that crosssing the

two was a

> good idea is beyond me.

But you only just admitted you never actually read it! Let's not start
this again.

Alan

<veetus@...> wrote:

> Well, "Apes" is now at Dark Horse, the home of the crossover.

They're the

> folks that brought you "Alien vs. Predator" (which is Fox's next big

sci-fi

> epic. Don't know if their license includes the original "Apes" but I
> wouldn't be surprised if they do "Zauis vs. Predator vs. Superman"

and

> dedicate it to Cougar.

Didn't they already do Aliens Vs Predator Vs Terminator? They could
just tie up all their properties and give us "Aliens vs Predator vs
Terminator vs Buffy the Vampire Slayer vs Astro Boy vs Robocop vs Lone
Wolf vs Grendel vs Madman vs Groo vs Luke Skywalker... on the Planet
of the Apes".

It'll happen one day, mark my words.

Alan

<mlccougar@...> wrote:

> Why not just
> make another Predator story based in whatever world it was in in the

film,

> why drag APES into it? How can they even really be tied together and

not look

> dumb?

Same as anything else... come up with with a good script.

Alan

<whitty@...> wrote:

> OK forget about tie ins for a while!
>
> What unanswered events would you explore in a script or a comic

book?

Rather than tie in directly with the movies or anything like that I
would like to see lots of different creative teams tackle different
aspects of the Planet of the Apes outside the area we are familiar
with. Like "Ape City" did with Europe, why not let us see what
happened in Africa, in Japan, in Australia, etc. Funny or serious, it
doesn't matter as long as they're creative, and above all else
enjoyable.

Alan

Agreed Alan, but I would suggest one more criterion: the creators are
familiar with the apes saga and adhere to established convention (as much as
they contradict each other anyway).

Yet again, I am getting rather frustrated with this group. I believe I have
posed a fair question and a whole day later there is one response. I
already know Patrick's response to this because his passion is to create one
story that makes sense of all other films and from what I can tell there are
a few other concepts too. Like 'em or not, at least he has expressed them.

I think I also know Mr Cougar's response - "DON'T TOUCH IT!!!". While I may
not agree, I can see the logic (especially after the shamble "created" by
one of Hollywood's best directors and a formidable list of actors).

Someone should do some statistics one day on the value of posts in this
group. I'll take a punt: 45% insults, 35% smart ass one liners, 15% off
topic, 5% worth reading.

Excuse me while I express my frustration.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Friday, 14 June 2002 6:25
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What would you do?
>
>
> <whitty@...> wrote:
> > OK forget about tie ins for a while!
> >
> > What unanswered events would you explore in a script or a comic
> book?
>
> Rather than tie in directly with the movies or anything like that I
> would like to see lots of different creative teams tackle different
> aspects of the Planet of the Apes outside the area we are familiar
> with. Like "Ape City" did with Europe, why not let us see what
> happened in Africa, in Japan, in Australia, etc. Funny or serious, it
> doesn't matter as long as they're creative, and above all else
> enjoyable.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

So, what kind of Apes artifacts do we all have? Masks, action figures,
etc. My oldest items are the 1974 Topps APES TV series trading cards, and
the Don Post, '80's issues of the Cornelius and Dr. Zaius masks. My wife and
I purchased some masks from www.apemania.com, and we made costumes of
Cornelius, Zira, Zaius and Ursus. We wore them to DragonCon '98 in Atlanta,
Georgia. You can see them at Ape Mania's, Jr. G-Man page. Click on "Jeff &
Susan Stringer". Ape Mania does beautiful work, but be prepared for major
sticker shock when you start checking prices...!
A company called "Model Prisoners" has a 1/6 scale Caesar resin kit. Very
nice. It's Caesar in the green jumpsuit from CONQUEST.I took a bronze medal
at a model show with it. Email me to see pics of any of this. They also do a
three-figure kit of Zira, Cornelius and Dr. Milo in their space suits.
Excellent work. really nice kit. I havn't aquired that one yet. I have a set
of the Gorilla Soldier and Attar masks from Apes 2001, but they leave a lot
to be desired. Thin pours and bad paint jobs. But when you can get them
wholesale, it's not too bad. One of the advantages when one's wife runs a
costume shop. ;)
Gristle P.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> ....I would suggest one more criterion: the creators are
> familiar with the apes saga and adhere to established convention

(as much as

> they contradict each other anyway).
>

Ok Michael. For what it is worth:

I agree. Someone who is familiar with the Apes saga should write
this. Now, bearing that in mind...

There are so many stories to be told. I think the TV series may have
represented these stories somewhat, but I am not very familiar with
the TV series. So, if we just follow the 5 movies I would suggest
(again) taking a different point of view.

The Gorillas show the most variety of charactor. Warrior, hunter,
working class. They show amazing extremes of emotion (unlike the
Chimps who are very even) and are not as polarized in their views as
the orangutans.

I would love to see more of the Planet and the Apes' social/political
interactions. I'm not a writer, so I don't know what sells. But
rather than being the outsider, I would like to be made to feel like
one of them -- the Apes. And in my opinion, the Gorilla point of
view allows the most possibilities for capturing a story. Not to
contradict the 5 story saga, not to explain it, not to ignore it.
Just to dig deeper into the Ape world -- as an Ape. Some writer
should be able to figure this out and provide us with some good
material.

>
> Someone should do some statistics one day on the value of posts in

this

> group. I'll take a punt: 45% insults, 35% smart a** one liners,

15% off

> topic, 5% worth reading.
>

You're right. Guilty. Usually catch a topic near the end when there
isn't much left to contribute.

--Helen

They also do a three-figure kit of Zira, Cornelius and Dr. Milo in their
space suits.

Any pics of those? Anywho...I had the mask, and a costume made for a
Halloween party that's now well over 25 years old. Luckily my Mom's pretty
handy with a sewing machine. It still looks pretty good, but I had the
physic of a concentration camp prisoner back then so its not going to fit
now. And all sorts of posters and lobby cards etc... As well as some
appliances. I did have one I did when I was a kid, but foam rubber doesn't
keep forever. I have a couple of models and Medicoms. The usual. But a lot
was lost to garage sales in my late teens. The trash can, the game . . . In
fact I'm not absolutely sure I didn't buy back my own model from a toy
collectors store a quater century later at five times the price!

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I believe I have posed a fair question and a whole day later there is one response.  I
already know Patrick's response to this because his passion is to create one
story that makes sense of all other films and from what I can tell there are
a few other concepts too

Okay Mikey, allow me to try and make it into the 5%.  Here's an idea though it might be a stupid one.  How about making a single film about all the time in-between films.  You could start with Zira and Cornelius meeting at the Academy, graduating and Zira studying humans while Corny goes on his dig. Then on to the trail and cover up and Milo salvaging the ship and them taking off and the bomb going off. Then Caesar growing up in the circus and finish with the war that lead up to battle.

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And of course Thade asks "Is there a soul in there?"
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:20 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Topic 1: Where did the apes come from


> > We must also remember that science was back a few notches when the
films
> >were made. I think I read that it was 1973 when an experiment showed apes
>
> Paul Dehn knew about apes vocal problems when he wrote CONQUEST. The
> head of the presidential commision refers to it in ESCAPE.
>
>
> >don't have the vocal equipment to pronounce consonants. If they are ever
> >going to talk like in POTA they'll need our help. Etc. - - -
Jeff
>
> Nowadays sci-fi writers can use the "genetic enhancement" plot device like
POTA
> 2001 and Spiderman. I agree that the genetically enhanced apes of POTA
2001
> make better sense. But I like the idea started in the original POTA book
and
> continued in the movie series that the apes potential for intelligence was
> always there and Boulle gives us real implications to consider.
>
> The bigger premise in Boulle's book is that intelligence or its absence is
a
> product of environment. Even if that is not really true for apes maybe it
is
> true for humans? Therefore a human being raised by animals would be no
> different than an animal, like they are in his story. Boulle's book is
an
> attack on the theological concept of a "soul" as something setting humans
apart
> from other species. The original movie inherits part of this attack from
the
> book: In the courtroom scene we realize that the apes, at least the
> conservative ones, believe that they have souls but humans do not.
>
>
>

I like it, LT. (Oops. One line[r].)

--Helen

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> > I believe I have posed a fair question and a whole day later
there is one
> > response. I
> > already know Patrick's response to this because his passion is to
create
> > one
> > story that makes sense of all other films and from what I can
tell there
> > are
> > a few other concepts too
>
> Okay Mikey, allow me to try and make it into the 5%. Here's an
idea though
> it might be a stupid one. How about making a single film about all
the time
> in-between films. You could start with Zira and Cornelius meeting
at the
> Academy, graduating and Zira studying humans while Corny goes on
his dig.
> Then on to the trail and cover up and Milo salvaging the ship and
them taking
> off and the bomb going off. Then Caesar growing up in the circus
and finish
> with the war that lead up to battle.