> Let's not let Zaius off so easily. Like Hitler and Bin Laden, Zaius

> KILLING PEOPLE because he was misguided. But that is more than

> that's evil.

> Then there's Cornelius in "Escape". The way the guy is bleeding

> hit with the tray, Cornelius could've gone for help. Instead he

> save their necks. He could be seen as a villian there.

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:11 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] July 4rth Party at Chuck's

In a message dated 7/11/02 12:37:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Linda wrote a little something about her day at Chuck's on
www.lindaharrison.com , including a couple of pics. It was actually a big
catered party for a lot of people, not a little get together. But he chose
to show POTA because he says it's his best picture. Go to the site and click
"News" if you want to know more. Etc.                            - - - Jeff

Charlton Heston now calls PLANET his best picture?!!!!   I don't believe it.  You know now he's gone senile, or is just so full of shit he don't know shit from shinola anymore.  Probably he's getting more checks from PLANET now than any percentages from any of his other movies -- the big phoney!  You know he still thinks BEH-HUR is the best.

-- Rory
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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More about the prop ship

In a message dated 7/11/02 12:46:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:

Maybe the 'Escape' and TV series ship was plywood and the 'Planet' one was metal. It's my belief ( for whatever THAT's worth) that there were two ships. The metal one submerged in Lake Powell ( which feasibly Roddy never saw up close as he didn't have any scenes with it) and the 'complete' ship w/ side hatch seen in the pilot episode of the series and in Escape. If you compare the two ( this is your cue Mr DVD frame grabber), I don't think the escape one is as big and wouldn't have the room for the nose escape hatch. But that's just me, what do I know? Hey, who's that hiding on that grassy knoll?

No, there was only one full-size prop ship.  It was also borrowed from Fox by Warner Brothers for the movie "The Illustrated Man" with the now late Rod Stieger.  The reason the ship looks smaller in ESCAPE and the first episode of the TV Show is that it got its ass cut off.  It's shorter.

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What's your favorite?


> Jeff <veetus@...> wrote:
> > Then there's Cornelius in "Escape". The way the guy is bleeding
> after he's
> > hit with the tray, Cornelius could've gone for help. Instead he
> chose to
> > save their necks. He could be seen as a villian there.
>
> It's been a while since I've watched Escape... does Cornelius actually
> see the guy bleeding? It could be that Cornelius is under the
> impression that he merely knocked the guy over.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> > Let's not let Zaius off so easily. Like Hitler and Bin Laden, Zaius
> was
> > KILLING PEOPLE because he was misguided. But that is more than
> misguided,
> > that's evil.
>
> I don't think that it was evil in this case. He was killing a few men
> to preserve his society - we can't really compare his actions to
> Hitler or whoever because (a) we're not talking about murder on the
> same scale and

>(b) to the apes, men are effectively just wild animals.
> Killing them is no different to our behaviour in the current day where
> we might kill lots of a certain kind of animal because it is
> endangering our crops or upsetting the food chain.

>
> Maybe he just said it to humor Linda. For all we know, she might think it's

>Who's your favorite character of each species:
>
>Chimpanzee?

>Orangutan?

>Gorilla?

>Human?

>Mutant?

>Favorite overall character?

>Favorite Ape costume?

>Favorite Villan?

>Favorite Hero?

>
>Favorite Music Score?

>Favorite Openning Titles?

I'm already in hell, so where will I go when I die?? Hell 2?? ;o)

Thy

  veetus@... wrote:

  If you have to ask that question then you will BURN IN HELL! Now, let's
put this nonsense away and get back to our Bibles, shall we? Etc. - - - -
Jeff


----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Skull of Oldest Human Ancestor Found


> What does the Bible have to do with this skull being found?
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> >   No where does it say that in the Bible. I suggest you reexamine
> your
> > "facts". Etc.         - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Melkor" <melkor@m...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:56 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Skull of Oldest Human Ancestor Found
> >
> >
> > >
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50035-
> 2002Jul10.htmlbr>> > >
> > > Anthropologists working in the bleak desert of Northern Chad have
> > unearthed the
> > > 7 million- year-old skull of the oldest human ancestor yet
> found, offering
> > the
> > > first opportunity to study a human fossil from the remote slice
> of time
> > when
> > > humans and apes diverged from a common ancestor.
> > > _______________________________________________________

> Okay then compare Zaius to a medieval Catholic Inquisitor who

> kills on a much smaller scale to protect his theology. They may have

> they were doing the right thing but they were still doing evil.

> That doesn't work. Zaius had decided on a "living death" for Taylor

> not because they were wild animals, but because Zaius knew that they

> wild animals.

--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe he just said it to humor Linda. For all we know, she
might think it's
> her best picture too. - - Jeff
>
> Has Linda Harrison actually been in any movies beside POTA?
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] July 4rth Party at Chuck's


> In a message dated 7/11/02 12:37:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Linda wrote a little something about her day at Chuck's on
> > www.lindaharrison.com , including a couple of pics. It was actually a
big
> > catered party for a lot of people, not a little get together. But he
chose
> > to show POTA because he says it's his best picture. Go to the site and
> > click
> > "News" if you want to know more. Etc. - - -
Jeff
> >
> >
> >
>
> Charlton Heston now calls PLANET his best picture?!!!! I don't believe
it.
> You know now he's gone senile, or is just so full of shit he don't know
shit
> from shinola anymore. Probably he's getting more checks from PLANET now
than
> any percentages from any of his other movies -- the big phoney! You know
he
> still thinks BEH-HUR is the best.
>
> -- Rory
>

>"Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
>> Okay then compare Zaius to a medieval Catholic Inquisitor who
>tortures and
>> kills on a much smaller scale to protect his theology. They may have
>thought
>> they were doing the right thing but they were still doing evil.
>
>But the difference here is that the issues that Zaius has with man
>(because after all the whole problem is not with Taylor as an
>individual but with Taylor as a representative of the destructive
>human race that once ruled the planet)

> But they were of a supposedly "lower" species and based on the

>"Cocoon I & II"

>--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Maybe he just said it to humor Linda. For all we know, she
>might think it's
>> her best picture too. - - Jeff
>>
>> Has Linda Harrison actually been in any movies beside POTA?

>> ESCAPE, then BATTLE, than CONQUEST. I have all the non bootleg
>> soundtracks and the PLANET soundtrack is actually my least favorite.
>
>Is there a soundtrack for Escape?
>Mine came tacked on a Planet soundtrack, sans Shopping theme.

--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
>
> >"Cocoon I & II"
>
> I completely missed that Linda Harrison was in Cocoon. What
character
> did she play?
>
>
> >--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Maybe he just said it to humor Linda. For all we know, she
> >might think it's
> >> her best picture too. - - Jeff
> >>
> >> Has Linda Harrison actually been in any movies beside POTA?
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What's your favorite?


> > "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> > > Let's not let Zaius off so easily. Like Hitler and Bin Laden, Zaius
> > was
> > > KILLING PEOPLE because he was misguided. But that is more than
> > misguided,
> > > that's evil.
> >
> > I don't think that it was evil in this case. He was killing a few men
> > to preserve his society - we can't really compare his actions to
> > Hitler or whoever because (a) we're not talking about murder on the
> > same scale and
>
> Okay then compare Zaius to a medieval Catholic Inquisitor who tortures and
> kills on a much smaller scale to protect his theology. They may have
thought
> they were doing the right thing but they were still doing evil. Lots of
evil
> acts are done in the name of God. If Zaius was not evil than neither were
the
> Catholic Inquisitors or Islamic terrorists who were only trying to
preserve
> their societies also. POTA was mirroring the real world, and in the real
> world evil people usually don't know they are evil. I bet even Hitler
stopped
> to pet his dog once in ahile.
>
>
> >(b) to the apes, men are effectively just wild animals.
> > Killing them is no different to our behaviour in the current day where
> > we might kill lots of a certain kind of animal because it is
> > endangering our crops or upsetting the food chain.
>
> That doesn't work. Zaius had decided on a "living death" for Taylor and
Landon
> not because they were wild animals, but because Zaius knew that they were
NOT
> wild animals. Zaius KNEW that Landon was intelligent and could talk, at
least
> I believe so. And Zaius knew that Taylor was intelligent too, but was
still
> planning a "living death" and torture for Taylor just like Landon.
>
> -Tom
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] July 4rth Party at Chuck's

Charlton Heston now calls PLANET his best picture?!!!!  

Let's face it.  You're not going to get a big turn out to sit through Ben Hur.  But if you tell the kids, "We're gonna watch Apes and Nova's going to be here." you won't have many no-shows.  Boy, Linda has as many typos as that gal who claims she's writing the new Apes script.  You'd think she'd be able to type better since learning how to talk.  Perhaps when she tripped over her yoga mat she hit her head as well as stubbing her toe.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] July 4rth Party at Chuck's


> Well, BEN-HUR hasn't recently been remade.
> Gristle P.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Haristas@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] July 4rth Party at Chuck's
>
>
> > In a message dated 7/11/02 12:37:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > veetus@... writes:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Linda wrote a little something about her day at Chuck's on
> > > www.lindaharrison.com , including a couple of pics. It was actually a
> big
> > > catered party for a lot of people, not a little get together. But he
> chose
> > > to show POTA because he says it's his best picture. Go to the site and
> > > click
> > > "News" if you want to know more. Etc. - - -
> Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Charlton Heston now calls PLANET his best picture?!!!! I don't believe
> it.
> > You know now he's gone senile, or is just so full of shit he don't know
> shit
> > from shinola anymore. Probably he's getting more checks from PLANET now
> than
> > any percentages from any of his other movies -- the big phoney! You
know
> he
> > still thinks BEH-HUR is the best.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: e: [Planet of the Apes] July 4rth Party at Chuck's


>
> >"Cocoon I & II"
>
> I completely missed that Linda Harrison was in Cocoon. What character
> did she play?
>
>
> >--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Maybe he just said it to humor Linda. For all we know, she
> >might think it's
> >> her best picture too. - - Jeff
> >>
> >> Has Linda Harrison actually been in any movies beside POTA?
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: e: [Planet of the Apes] July 4rth Party at Chuck's


>
> >"Cocoon I & II"
>
> I completely missed that Linda Harrison was in Cocoon. What character
> did she play?
>
>
> >--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Maybe he just said it to humor Linda. For all we know, she
> >might think it's
> >> her best picture too. - - Jeff
> >>
> >> Has Linda Harrison actually been in any movies beside POTA?
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:54 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music


> >> ESCAPE, then BATTLE, than CONQUEST. I have all the non bootleg
> >> soundtracks and the PLANET soundtrack is actually my least favorite.
> >
> >Is there a soundtrack for Escape?
> >Mine came tacked on a Planet soundtrack, sans Shopping theme.
>
> No I only have the Escape track from the Planet CD. But that was 18
minutes
> long so I broke it up into multiple tracks on my computer. The opening
> ESCAPE "track" is 3+ minutes long is my favorite piece of POTA music.
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> I've got all of the Ape soundtracks on CD including a bootleg that
features
> about 23 minutes of music from Escape and music from The Mephisto
Waltz. The
> opening title music from Escape is my favourite piece of Ape music.
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melkor" <melkor@m...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:54 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music
>
>
> > >> ESCAPE, then BATTLE, than CONQUEST. I have all the non
bootleg
> > >> soundtracks and the PLANET soundtrack is actually my least
favorite.
> > >
> > >Is there a soundtrack for Escape?
> > >Mine came tacked on a Planet soundtrack, sans Shopping theme.
> >
> > No I only have the Escape track from the Planet CD. But that
was 18
> minutes
> > long so I broke it up into multiple tracks on my computer. The
opening
> > ESCAPE "track" is 3+ minutes long is my favorite piece of POTA
music.
> >
> >
> >

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music


> I'm still kind of partial to The Hunt from Planet.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> > I've got all of the Ape soundtracks on CD including a bootleg that
> features
> > about 23 minutes of music from Escape and music from The Mephisto
> Waltz. The
> > opening title music from Escape is my favourite piece of Ape music.
> > Ken
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Melkor" <melkor@m...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:54 AM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music
> >
> >
> > > >> ESCAPE, then BATTLE, than CONQUEST. I have all the non
> bootleg
> > > >> soundtracks and the PLANET soundtrack is actually my least
> favorite.
> > > >
> > > >Is there a soundtrack for Escape?
> > > >Mine came tacked on a Planet soundtrack, sans Shopping theme.
> > >
> > > No I only have the Escape track from the Planet CD. But that
> was 18
> > minutes
> > > long so I broke it up into multiple tracks on my computer. The
> opening
> > > ESCAPE "track" is 3+ minutes long is my favorite piece of POTA
> music.
> > >
> > >
> > >

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music


> I've got all of the Ape soundtracks on CD including a bootleg that
features
> about 23 minutes of music from Escape and music from The Mephisto Waltz.
The
> opening title music from Escape is my favourite piece of Ape music.
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:54 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music
>
>
> > >> ESCAPE, then BATTLE, than CONQUEST. I have all the non bootleg
> > >> soundtracks and the PLANET soundtrack is actually my least favorite.
> > >
> > >Is there a soundtrack for Escape?
> > >Mine came tacked on a Planet soundtrack, sans Shopping theme.
> >
> > No I only have the Escape track from the Planet CD. But that was 18
> minutes
> > long so I broke it up into multiple tracks on my computer. The opening
> > ESCAPE "track" is 3+ minutes long is my favorite piece of POTA music.
> >
> >
> >

> Yeah, that'd be my close second. I also like the opening title

> Battle. I also love that groovy shopping music from Escape. It

> movie perfectly.
> KEN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music
>
>
> > I'm still kind of partial to The Hunt from Planet.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> > > I've got all of the Ape soundtracks on CD including a bootleg

> > features
> > > about 23 minutes of music from Escape and music from The

> > Waltz. The
> > > opening title music from Escape is my favourite piece of Ape

> > > Ken
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Melkor" <melkor@m...>
> > > To: <pota@y...>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:54 AM
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music
> > >
> > >
> > > > >> ESCAPE, then BATTLE, than CONQUEST. I have all the non
> > bootleg
> > > > >> soundtracks and the PLANET soundtrack is actually my least
> > favorite.
> > > > >
> > > > >Is there a soundtrack for Escape?
> > > > >Mine came tacked on a Planet soundtrack, sans Shopping theme.
> > > >
> > > > No I only have the Escape track from the Planet CD. But that
> > was 18
> > > minutes
> > > > long so I broke it up into multiple tracks on my computer.

> > opening
> > > > ESCAPE "track" is 3+ minutes long is my favorite piece of POTA
> > music.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music


> Who cares.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> --- "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@...> wrote:
> > Yeah, that'd be my close second. I also like the opening title
> music from
> > Battle. I also love that groovy shopping music from Escape. It
> dates the
> > movie perfectly.
> > KEN
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music
> >
> >
> > > I'm still kind of partial to The Hunt from Planet.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> > > > I've got all of the Ape soundtracks on CD including a bootleg
> that
> > > features
> > > > about 23 minutes of music from Escape and music from The
> Mephisto
> > > Waltz. The
> > > > opening title music from Escape is my favourite piece of Ape
> music.
> > > > Ken
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Melkor" <melkor@m...>
> > > > To: <pota@y...>
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:54 AM
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >> ESCAPE, then BATTLE, than CONQUEST. I have all the non
> > > bootleg
> > > > > >> soundtracks and the PLANET soundtrack is actually my least
> > > favorite.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Is there a soundtrack for Escape?
> > > > > >Mine came tacked on a Planet soundtrack, sans Shopping theme.
> > > > >
> > > > > No I only have the Escape track from the Planet CD. But that
> > > was 18
> > > > minutes
> > > > > long so I broke it up into multiple tracks on my computer.
> The
> > > opening
> > > > > ESCAPE "track" is 3+ minutes long is my favorite piece of POTA
> > > music.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 02:41 AM, LordTZer0@... wrote:

> But does it have the shopping music.
> I think anyone who has that should offer an MP3 file to the group!

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> My stupid AOL will let me play it but not download it. I'd have
to be able
> to find it through a file sharing site to do that. I swear it
makes me want
> to switch to Mindspring or Earthlink or something. Maybe I'll
switch to
> Linux or Mac while I'm at it. Are you listening Mr. Gates?

On Saturday, July 13, 2002, at 04:42 AM, LordTZer0@... wrote:

> Way cool!
> I was very disappointed when They didn't put that piece in the suite.
> Thanks!

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:02 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What's your favorite?

In a message dated 7/11/2002 8:43:29 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Er, um... when we said "Zauis", we meant the one from the TV show. Yeah,
that's it. And that Zauis never killed no one. Well, maybe those earlier two
astronauts, but I'm sure it was an accident like Cornelius had. Zauis just
bragged about it later to be macho. So, the TV Zauis is not evil. Phhew!
Glad that's settled. Etc.    

Let us not forget the human caught trying to sneak into the city with those grenades...

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----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zanuck vs. Zanuck


> In a message dated 7/13/02 7:14:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > According to estimates, "Men in Black 2" was in the lead Friday
despite
> > two new Zanuck productions, "Road to Perdition" and "Reign of Fire".
> > Perhaps this will buttress his arguments for "Apes 2" ("Damn it, gotta
have
> > a title with a 2 in it; that's the magic!"). Good reviews for
"Perdition",
> > less so for "Reign", though I know there are dragon fans out there. I
> > guess for Zanuck there's a distinction; good scripts on this side,
summer
> > FX pictures on that side. Anyone seen these? Etc.
> > - - - Jeff
> >
> >
>
> I'm going to try and go see "Reign of Fire" tomorrow, because, damn it!, I
> like dragons. But Oh that Dick! That reminds me, I forgot to tell you
> folks something.... Three months ago Joe Russo hung out with Linda
Harrison
> at the New Jersey "Thiller" convention. She told him that the last time
she
> was at the Zanuck's home (which she occasionally visits if there's a need,
> i.e. money), ol' Dick was sitting in the living room watching TV and
wearing
> gloves. Why gloves? So he wouldn't bit his nails!
>
> -- Rory
>

Just finished watching this myself. I found it passable, but not as good as I was hoping. Also didn't like the explanation of how they reproduce. One male and millions of females, gimme a freakin break! Not that I've EVER met a dragon or seen hey they get it on, but geez, no species could EVER survive in such a way. To my knowledge, I know of about ZERO of them that do so currently on this planet. They must have just pulled that one out of their ass or something to make the Dragons beatable in the end. Stupid fucking Hollywood endings. Ugh.

Additionally, even though they portray dragons as savage killers with no intelligence at all beyond being good at surviving and killing, I still liked it, but not enough to pay another 7 bucks to see it again. I�d give it a 5 out of 10. If I didn�t have a thing for Dragons, it would be more like a -8 ;o)

ThyPentacle ~The Dragon expert! Dammit!

  Jeff & Susan Stringer <stringe@...> wrote:

  Saw Reign Of Fire Today. Well done, but all the ads are rather misleading.
Especially the one-sheet. I went hoping to see the sky filled with dragons
doing battle with Apache helicopters. We see the discovery of the dragons,
but not the actual WAR with them. We get that as backstory. After they are
discovered, it jumps ahead 20 years as the remnants of mankind struggle to
stay alive. There is ONE shot of a dragon-filled sky, and some really
exciting ariel action. Obviously, it's cheaper to show the fight against one
dragon, than thousands.
  And you can forget about any of them having Draco-like personalities. They
are shown as incredibly vicious. Velociraptors are house pets compared to
these guys...! It seems the dragon race is what killed of the dinosaurs, and
is responsible for all the ancient, mass-extinctions. But in spite of that,
there is (mysteriously) no dragon fossil record.
  They feed on ash. And so, incinerate the planet surface until there's
nothing left to burn. Then they lay eggs and all die from starvation. The
single male goes dormant until the earth replenishes itself. He then emerges
and the cycle begins anew. They are described as reproducing like fish. The
eggs are laid, and the giant, lone male flys over and emits a fertilizing
spray. That's right, a MILLION females, and ONE male. Talk about working
overtime.
  I like the fire explanation. Glands in the mouth secrete two separate
chemicals that ignite when mixed together. Natural napalm. Nasty stuff, too.
A few holes, but nothing that can't be lived with. But of course, I love
monster movies. Now, I can't wait until Wednesday to see EIGHT LEGGED
FREAKS! MWA-HA_HA_HA_HA_HA!
Gristle P.

----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zanuck vs. Zanuck


> In a message dated 7/13/02 7:14:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> >   According to estimates, "Men in Black 2" was in the lead Friday
despite
> > two new Zanuck productions, "Road to Perdition" and "Reign of Fire".
> > Perhaps this will buttress his arguments for "Apes 2" ("Damn it, gotta
have
> > a title with a 2 in it; that's the magic!"). Good reviews for
"Perdition",
> > less so for "Reign", though I know there are dragon fans out there.  I
> > guess for Zanuck there's a distinction; good scripts on this side,
summer
> > FX pictures on that side. Anyone seen these? Etc.

----- Original Message -----

From: thypentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:17 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] REIGN OF FIRE

Just finished watching this myself. I found it passable, but not as good as I was hoping. Also didn't like the explanation of how they reproduce. One male and millions of females, gimme a freakin break! Not that I've EVER met a dragon or seen hey they get it on, but geez, no species could EVER survive in such a way. To my knowledge, I know of about ZERO of them that do so currently on this planet. They must have just pulled that one out of their ass or something to make the Dragons beatable in the end. Stupid fucking Hollywood endings. Ugh.

Additionally, even though they portray dragons as savage killers with no intelligence at all beyond being good at surviving and killing, I still liked it, but not enough to pay another 7 bucks to see it again. I’d give it a 5 out of 10. If I didn’t have a thing for Dragons, it would be more like a -8 ;o)

ThyPentacle ~The Dragon expert! Dammit!

 

  Jeff & Susan Stringer <stringe@...> wrote:

  Saw Reign Of Fire Today. Well done, but all the ads are rather misleading.
Especially the one-sheet. I went hoping to see the sky filled with dragons
doing battle with Apache helicopters. We see the discovery of the dragons,
but not the actual WAR with them. We get that as backstory. After they are
discovered, it jumps ahead 20 years as the remnants of mankind struggle to
stay alive. There is ONE shot of a dragon-filled sky, and some really
exciting ariel action. Obviously, it's cheaper to show the fight against one
dragon, than thousands.
  And you can forget about any of them having Draco-like personalities. They
are shown as incredibly vicious. Velociraptors are house pets compared to
these guys...! It seems the dragon race is what killed of the dinosaurs, and
is responsible for all the ancient, mass-extinctions. But in spite of that,
there is (mysteriously) no dragon fossil record.
  They feed on ash. And so, incinerate the planet surface until there's
nothing left to burn. Then they lay eggs and all die from starvation. The
single male goes dormant until the earth replenishes itself. He then emerges
and the cycle begins anew. They are described as reproducing like fish. The
eggs are laid, and the giant, lone male flys over and emits a fertilizing
spray. That's right, a MILLION females, and ONE male. Talk about working
overtime.
  I like the fire explanation. Glands in the mouth secrete two separate
chemicals that ignite when mixed together. Natural napalm. Nasty stuff, too.
A few holes, but nothing that can't be lived with. But of course, I love
monster movies. Now, I can't wait until Wednesday to see EIGHT LEGGED
FREAKS! MWA-HA_HA_HA_HA_HA!
Gristle P.

----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zanuck vs. Zanuck


> In a message dated 7/13/02 7:14:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> >   According to estimates, "Men in Black 2" was in the lead Friday
despite
> > two new Zanuck productions, "Road to Perdition" and "Reign of Fire".
> > Perhaps this will buttress his arguments for "Apes 2" ("Damn it, gotta
have
> > a title with a 2 in it; that's the magic!"). Good reviews for
"Perdition",
> > less so for "Reign", though I know there are dragon fans out there.  I
> > guess for Zanuck there's a distinction; good scripts on this side,
summer
> > FX pictures on that side. Anyone seen these? Etc.
> >   - - - Jeff
> >
> >
>
> I'm going to try and go see "Reign of Fire" tomorrow, because, damn it!, I
> like dragons.  But Oh that Dick!   That reminds me, I forgot to tell you
> folks something.... Three months ago Joe Russo hung out with Linda
Harrison
> at the New Jersey "Thiller" convention.  She told him that the last time
she
> was at the Zanuck's home (which she occasionally visits if there's a need,
> i.e. money), ol' Dick was sitting in the living room watching TV and
wearing
> gloves.  Why gloves?  So he wouldn't bit his nails!
>
> -- Rory
>



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---

Females outnumber males in many species, but there is NEVER just ONE male on the entire planet to carry on an entire species. Just seemed rather stupid to say that there was just that one male Dragon. 

As for it being better than 2001 POTA, hmmmm, that's a tough one for me. I'd have to say it was, but that's only because it has Dragons in it. Me having a Dragon fetish sort of makes that a given I guess. ;o)

ThyPentacle

  veetus@... wrote:

   I think in most species the females outnumber the males. Insects like bees, the workers are females, as is the queen, and the males are just used for mating purposes and then discarded.

 But, hey, was it better than POTA2001?   - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: thypentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:17 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] REIGN OF FIRE

Just finished watching this myself. I found it passable, but not as good as I was hoping. Also didn't like the explanation of how they reproduce. One male and millions of females, gimme a freakin break! Not that I've EVER met a dragon or seen hey they get it on, but geez, no species could EVER survive in such a way. To my knowledge, I know of about ZERO of them that do so currently on this planet. They must have just pulled that one out of their ass or something to make the Dragons beatable in the end. Stupid fucking Hollywood endings. Ugh.

Additionally, even though they portray dragons as savage killers with no intelligence at all beyond being good at surviving and killing, I still liked it, but not enough to pay another 7 bucks to see it again. I�d give it a 5 out of 10. If I didn�t have a thing for Dragons, it would be more like a -8 ;o)

ThyPentacle ~The Dragon expert! Dammit!

 

  Jeff & Susan Stringer <stringe@...> wrote:

  Saw Reign Of Fire Today. Well done, but all the ads are rather misleading.
Especially the one-sheet. I went hoping to see the sky filled with dragons
doing battle with Apache helicopters. We see the discovery of the dragons,
but not the actual WAR with them. We get that as backstory. After they are
discovered, it jumps ahead 20 years as the remnants of mankind struggle to
stay alive. There is ONE shot of a dragon-filled sky, and some really
exciting ariel action. Obviously, it's cheaper to show the fight against one
dragon, than thousands.
  And you can forget about any of them having Draco-like personalities. They
are shown as incredibly vicious. Velociraptors are house pets compared to
these guys...! It seems the dragon race is what killed of the dinosaurs, and
is responsible for all the ancient, mass-extinctions. But in spite of that,
there is (mysteriously) no dragon fossil record.
  They feed on ash. And so, incinerate the planet surface until there's
nothing left to burn. Then they lay eggs and all die from starvation. The
single male goes dormant until the earth replenishes itself. He then emerges
and the cycle begins anew. They are described as reproducing like fish. The
eggs are laid, and the giant, lone male flys over and emits a fertilizing
spray. That's right, a MILLION females, and ONE male. Talk about working
overtime.
  I like the fire explanation. Glands in the mouth secrete two separate
chemicals that ignite when mixed together. Natural napalm. Nasty stuff, too.
A few holes, but nothing that can't be lived with. But of course, I love
monster movies. Now, I can't wait until Wednesday to see EIGHT LEGGED
FREAKS! MWA-HA_HA_HA_HA_HA!
Gristle P.

----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zanuck vs. Zanuck


> In a message dated 7/13/02 7:14:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> >   According to estimates, "Men in Black 2" was in the lead Friday
despite
> > two new Zanuck productions, "Road to Perdition" and "Reign of Fire".
> > Perhaps this will buttress his arguments for "Apes 2" ("Damn it, gotta
have
> > a title with a 2 in it; that's the magic!"). Good reviews for
"Perdition",
> > less so for "Reign", though I know there are dragon fans out there.  I
> > guess for Zanuck there's a distinction; good scripts on this side,
summer
> > FX pictures on that side. Anyone seen these? Etc.
> >   - - - Jeff
> >
> >
>
> I'm going to try and go see "Reign of Fire" tomorrow, because, damn it!, I
> like dragons.  But Oh that Dick!   That reminds me, I forgot to tell you
> folks something.... Three months ago Joe Russo hung out with Linda
Harrison
> at the New Jersey "Thiller" convention.  She told him that the last time
she
> was at the Zanuck's home (which she occasionally visits if there's a need,
> i.e. money), ol' Dick was sitting in the living room watching TV and
wearing
> gloves.  Why gloves?  So he wouldn't bit his nails!
>
> -- Rory
>

---

> A simple search on Google turns up George Hasslein, Dean, School of Archi=

>
> Anthony B. McElveen

>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2002, at 03:45 AM, patrickmichaeltilton wrote:
>
> Although this posting is supposedly "OT" ["off topic"], I'd like to share=

> On page 386 of "The Encyclopedia of the Third Reich", I found this rather=

>
> Hass (Hass), the most extreme degree of dislike or aversion,
> revalued positively in National Socialist usage as "heroic hate,"
> because it derived from a "consciousness of duty and responsibility"
> and expressed "inexorable," "honest," and "courageous HARDNESS"
> (Meyers Lexikon, 1938). Contingent on heredity, such hate was
> imaginable only in the "Nordic race" and stood in "the most extreme
> opposition" to the "cowardly hate of Jewdom."
>
> It's too bad that Serling (and Wilson, too?) isn't alive to ask what he w=

>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 7-10-2002

> > Hitler was just trying to do what he thought was right. Bin Laden was just trying to do what he thought was right. Even the "Lucifer" character in the bible was just trying to do what he thought was right. Evil almost never recognizes itself, and the best movie villians are not simple.
>
> I believe you mean Satan. He was the evil one cast out. Lucifer is always trying to tell God that people don't really love Him. But I'm sure that Patrick is an expert on theology as well, so he'll correct me if I'm wrong.

> > We never saw Taylor "kill for sport, or lust, or greed".
>
> Now if Man alone among God's creatures kills for sport or lust or greed, then what's the hunt club's excuse? The sure seemed like they were enjoying themselves an awful lot for just thinning the heard!

> Bill Blake verifies that. He examined the ship on the backlot. I've seen his home movies. It was metal. He complains the "plywood" reference comes from the Marvel mag and just keeps getting repeated. - - - Jeff

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mlccougar@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:34 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The prop ship
>
>
> In a message dated 7/10/2002 2:01:23 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
>
> Just like they made the full-scale mock-up of the spacecraft out of WOOD, and
> made it LOOK like it was made out of metal.
>
>
> It has been said in this group that the prop "sinking ship" was indeed made out of metal... Not plywood as the documantary states.
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Who cares.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> --- "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> > Yeah, that'd be my close second. I also like the opening title
> music from
> > Battle. I also love that groovy shopping music from Escape. It
> dates the
> > movie perfectly.
> > KEN
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music
> >
> >
> > > I'm still kind of partial to The Hunt from Planet.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> > > > I've got all of the Ape soundtracks on CD including a bootleg
> that
> > > features
> > > > about 23 minutes of music from Escape and music from The
> Mephisto
> > > Waltz. The
> > > > opening title music from Escape is my favourite piece of Ape
> music.
> > > > Ken
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Melkor" <melkor@m...>
> > > > To: <pota@y...>
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:54 AM
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA music
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >> ESCAPE, then BATTLE, than CONQUEST. I have all the non
> > > bootleg
> > > > > >> soundtracks and the PLANET soundtrack is actually my least
> > > favorite.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Is there a soundtrack for Escape?
> > > > > >Mine came tacked on a Planet soundtrack, sans Shopping theme.
> > > > >
> > > > > No I only have the Escape track from the Planet CD. But that
> > > was 18
> > > > minutes
> > > > > long so I broke it up into multiple tracks on my computer.
> The
> > > opening
> > > > > ESCAPE "track" is 3+ minutes long is my favorite piece of POTA
> > > music.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 09:50 AM, patrickmichaeltilton wrote:

> The thing had to float for at least a couple of hours
> during the filming of that "exterior ship" scene, so I doubt if the
> ENTIRE thing could have been made out of metal. Since they re-used it
> in ESCAPE--where it had to float yet again in water--chances are it
> was mostly made out of wood.
>
> Patrick

On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 08:59 AM, patrickmichaeltilton wrote:

> I get the impression, Anthony, that you're feeling rather smug, having
> pointed out something that I hadn't accessed yet. Power to ya, if it
> floats yer boat. I never claimed to be omniscient, or to have accessed
> every friggin database the world over in a search for anybody else
> (other than POTA's fictional "Otto") with the last name "Hasslein".
> Congratulations on finding out something that I hadn't yet become
> aware of. Perhaps I should supplicate myself before your almighty
> glory before daring to make another "pronouncement"... would that
> appease Your Worshipfulness?
>
> Patrick

On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 05:03 PM, Michael Whitty wrote:

> Here's a quiz - name a movie that was NOT better than POTA 2001.....
>
> Or a THING or PERSON.....Hitler was better than POTA 2001!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2002 15:39
>
>
> But, hey, was it better than POTA2001? - - - Jeff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2002 23:59
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] OT: Roman spelling... and a POTA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Monday, 15 July 2002 0:41
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Theology, Evil, "Scripture", etc.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > > Hitler was just trying to do what he thought was right. Bin
> Laden was just trying to do what he thought was right. Even the
> "Lucifer" character in the bible was just trying to do what he
> thought was right. Evil almost never recognizes itself, and the
> best movie villians are not simple.
> >
> > I believe you mean Satan. He was the evil one cast out.
> Lucifer is always trying to tell God that people don't really
> love Him. But I'm sure that Patrick is an expert on theology as
> well, so he'll correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> *** I wouldn't call myself an "expert"--just a fairly well-informed
> student of it. I've subscribed to "Biblical Archaeology Review" and
> its sister publication "Bible Review" for years, enjoying the
> scholarly approach they take on all things Biblical. Irate Christian
> fundamentalists clutter the BAR and BR letter columns there,
> protesting any theory presented by contributors if it dares to suggest
> that the Bible is not "inerrant". I also enjoy reading the
> "literature" published by the Bible-belt types of churches, just to
> see how they try to reconcile the obvious contradictions they refuse
> to recognize (such as: Who's the first disciple to get to the Open
> Tomb of Jesus? What were Jesus' actual last words before dying on the
> Cross? Was it before or after the Sabbath when the "two Marys" bought
> the spices with which to anoint Jesus' corpse? etc.).
>
> For the record, the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament does not
> say that the "serpent" in Eden was a Devil in disguise named "Satan"
> or "Lucifer" or "Beelzebub". The "serpent"--in Hebrew, "NaChaSh": "the
> hissing/whispering one"--was adapted (as was the entire "creation"
> narrative) from Sumerian and Babylonian sources, and this same
> "whispering one" is the god Enki who "whispered" to Utnapishtim to
> build an Ark and save himself, because his jerk half-brother god Enlil
> wanted to wipe out Humanity. The "biblical redactor" who formulated
> the texts of Genesis (etc.) after the "Babylonian captivity" basically
> took a POLYTHEISTIC creation story (and Flood story, etc.) and re-told
> it as a MONOTHEISTIC story, which necessitated changing other "gods"
> into either talking serpents or "angels"/"cherubim"/"seraphim"/etc.
> The name "Lucifer" is Latin, meaning "Light-Bringer", and "he" is
> called "the Morning Star" and "the Evening Star": it wasn't a "star"
> at all, but was actually the planet Venus, which--due to the fact that
> it orbits the Sun inside the Earth's orbit--is always "near" to the
> Sun, hence visible during sunrise and sunset (depending on if it is
> above the horizon, of course). How the "demon-haunted" Christians came
> to fear "Lucifer" as some sort of "fallen archangel"... well, it's due
> to the infusion of Persian mythological ideas (the spiritual battles
> between "Ahura Mazda" and "Ahriman", etc.) into the Jewish religion
> prior to the writing of the Intertestamental literature.
> "Lucifer" is not so much a "character" in the Bible, as "he" is a
> misinterpretation of a representation of the planet Venus; the reason
> the Pentagram is considered a symbol of the Devil is because as the
> Earth and Venus orbit the Sun, they align themselves 5 times over the
> course of 8 years, forming a heavenly Pentagram of occultations. This
> mystical synchronization of Earth-and-Venus orbits, forming a magical
> Pentagram in Heaven, is mentioned in the works of Henry Lincoln
> (principle author of "The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail"), notably
> "The Holy Place" and "The Templars' Secret Island". In related
> mythologies, Venus (i.e. "Lucifer", "Ishtar", "Isis", "Sophia") is the
> consort of the primary Sun god; the Bible-writers bastardized this
> mythic notion and--in a misogynistic move--demonized the "divine
> Female" concepts, turning "Wisdom" goddesses into "Evil Spirits".
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Here's a quiz - name a movie that was NOT better than POTA
2001.....
>
> Or a THING or PERSON.....Hitler was better than POTA 2001!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2002 15:39
>
>
> But, hey, was it better than POTA2001? - - - Jeff

--- In pota@y..., "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@i...> wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> Omniscience is neither expected, nor required. You've begun
several of
> your recent arguments with inaccurate information that could
easily have
> been checked. You present your "evidence" as though it's
incontestable,
> but you haven't even checked your facts.

----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 6:41 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: A Better Movie

Pearl Harbor, Return of the Pink Panther, Ocean's 11 (2001),
anything with Cher, most other films directed by Tim Burton and of
course, The Phantom Menace.


--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Here's a quiz - name a movie that was NOT better than POTA
2001.....
>
> Or a THING or PERSON.....Hitler was better than POTA 2001!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2002 15:39
> 
> 
>  But, hey, was it better than POTA2001?   - - - Jeff



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--- In pota@y..., "Mike Le Master" <mslpel5@c...> wrote:
> The Fast and the Furious and Jurassic Park 3 are just a few of a
long list. The Fast and the Furious has to be THE WORST movie i
have ever seen in my existance. I happen to like POTA 2001 a lot,
unlike most of you. I do agree, though, that there could have been
so much more done with it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: james611102
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 6:41 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: A Better Movie
>
>
> Pearl Harbor, Return of the Pink Panther, Ocean's 11 (2001),
> anything with Cher, most other films directed by Tim Burton and
of
> course, The Phantom Menace.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Here's a quiz - name a movie that was NOT better than POTA
> 2001.....
> >
> > Or a THING or PERSON.....Hitler was better than POTA 2001!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2002 15:39
> >
> >
> > But, hey, was it better than POTA2001? - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 3:41 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: A Better Movie


> Pearl Harbor, Return of the Pink Panther, Ocean's 11 (2001),
> anything with Cher, most other films directed by Tim Burton and of
> course, The Phantom Menace.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Here's a quiz - name a movie that was NOT better than POTA
> 2001.....
> >
> > Or a THING or PERSON.....Hitler was better than POTA 2001!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2002 15:39
> >
> >
> > But, hey, was it better than POTA2001? - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Well, if you don't like Tim Burton flicks in general, the game's

> Who cares? - - - Patrick

> One comment that struck me was the despite the up and downs of the

> films, the filmmakers always showed respect for their audience and

> high road rather than using the apes as monsters, bearing their

> growling
>
> The new one's just not a thinking man's movie. Or a thinking ape's

> matter. Zanuck was just hoping to cash in on Gorillator. But

> soft-core with hint of sex & violence to keep that precious PG

> fail miserably at that as well. This movie suffers from a schismed
> personality by trying to be too many things to too many people. If

> and please everyone, you'll end up pleasing no one.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 6:38 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A Better Question


> OK I'll rephrase:
>
> Name a movie that you found more disappointing on a personal level.
>
> Michael
>
> --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
> > One comment that struck me was the despite the up and downs of the
> five
> > films, the filmmakers always showed respect for their audience and
> took the
> > high road rather than using the apes as monsters, bearing their
> fangs and
> > growling
> >
> > The new one's just not a thinking man's movie. Or a thinking ape's
> for that
> > matter. Zanuck was just hoping to cash in on Gorillator. But
> Burton was so
> > soft-core with hint of sex & violence to keep that precious PG
> rating that it
> > fail miserably at that as well. This movie suffers from a schismed
> > personality by trying to be too many things to too many people. If
> you try
> > and please everyone, you'll end up pleasing no one.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 6:38 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A Better Question


> OK I'll rephrase:
>
> Name a movie that you found more disappointing on a personal level.
>
> Michael
>
> --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
> > One comment that struck me was the despite the up and downs of the
> five
> > films, the filmmakers always showed respect for their audience and
> took the
> > high road rather than using the apes as monsters, bearing their
> fangs and
> > growling
> >
> > The new one's just not a thinking man's movie. Or a thinking ape's
> for that
> > matter. Zanuck was just hoping to cash in on Gorillator. But
> Burton was so
> > soft-core with hint of sex & violence to keep that precious PG
> rating that it
> > fail miserably at that as well. This movie suffers from a schismed
> > personality by trying to be too many things to too many people. If
> you try
> > and please everyone, you'll end up pleasing no one.
> >
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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 7:15 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Road to Profitibility

In a message dated 7/14/02 9:54:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 

"Reign of..." disappointed with $16 m. (that probably
means bye-bye dragon pictures). 

It sucked!  There were hardly any dragons in it.  A real waste of time.  I don't even recommend it as a future DVD rental.  I don't think Dick knows dick about making movies anymore.  Even the "Road to Perdition" is getting some negative reviews.  I had a better time this weekend seeing "My Big Fat Greek Wedding."

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

> He should have told them if they've got any problems, talk to Michael

> Duncan.

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--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> OK I'll rephrase:
>
> Name a movie that you found more disappointing on a personal level.
>
> Michael

--- In pota@y..., CheeseGOTAS@a... wrote:
> Actually, I've been in Colorado for 2 weeks. I've been visiting my
cousins,
> aunts, uncles. I found out that my uncle is also a big ape fan, so
we sat
> down to watch the original with his kids. I'm always up for that.
He also
> had some old Megos down in the basement in a box, along with
various
ape
> posters. A few days after we watched the movie, I went pawn
shopping at a
> smelly old store for Ape stuff. I found 2 (naked) Megos, Cornelius
and Zira,
> in the 50 cent toy bin, so I picked those up.
>
> Also, on my trip, I read some of The Fall by mr. Quick. It's
pretty
> interesting. The slimy bug idea is not bad at all. I'm enjoying
the book
> very much, although I'm only to page 100. So, has anyone else read
it? And
> what do you think about it?
>
> Besides the above, I didn't do that much else with apes. I just
saw
two
> movies (Men In Black 2, okay, Reign of Fire, okay) and went
innertubing down
> Boulder Creek and scratched my back and ass up pretty badly on the
rocks. Oh
> well, I'll go read some of The Fall now. I'm glad to be back.
>
> -Joe

> In a message dated 7/16/02 1:09:36 AM Central Daylight Time,

> writes:
>
> << It's true that the apes do not figure much in The Fall, but the
> author/publisher is clearly trying to keep us waiting for more in

> book(s) to follow. Can't wait! >>
>
> Oh yeah, I was thinking that the Apes didn't have much to do in

> because of the 'Look for more Ape books soon!' quote on the back of

> So does anyone know the title of the next book, or when it's

>
> -Joe
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----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:22 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (unknown)


> OK since it's quiet again I have another question. If you could make
> one change to any of the Apes films what would it be?
>
> For me, I'd have liked to see Beneath as it was originally planned
> with Taylor, instead of Brent, as the main character all the way
> through.
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:36 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry, got lost in the Forbidden Zone.


> Actually, I've been in Colorado for 2 weeks. I've been visiting my
cousins,
> aunts, uncles. I found out that my uncle is also a big ape fan, so we sat
> down to watch the original with his kids. I'm always up for that. He
also
> had some old Megos down in the basement in a box, along with various ape
> posters. A few days after we watched the movie, I went pawn shopping at a
> smelly old store for Ape stuff. I found 2 (naked) Megos, Cornelius and
Zira,
> in the 50 cent toy bin, so I picked those up.
>
> Also, on my trip, I read some of The Fall by mr. Quick. It's pretty
> interesting. The slimy bug idea is not bad at all. I'm enjoying the
book
> very much, although I'm only to page 100. So, has anyone else read it?
And
> what do you think about it?
>
> Besides the above, I didn't do that much else with apes. I just saw two
> movies (Men In Black 2, okay, Reign of Fire, okay) and went innertubing
down
> Boulder Creek and scratched my back and ass up pretty badly on the rocks.
Oh
> well, I'll go read some of The Fall now. I'm glad to be back.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> OK since it's quiet again I have another question. If you could

> one change to any of the Apes films what would it be?
>
> For me, I'd have liked to see Beneath as it was originally planned
> with Taylor, instead of Brent, as the main character all the way
> through.

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