----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trivia what is trivia


> In a message dated 7/23/02 10:20:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> stringe@... writes:
>
>
> > KELLY'S HEROES! Yes! And here I was convinced that I was the only person
> > who had ever heard of that glorious film! Vastly uderrated movie. :)
> > Gristle P.
> >
> > "There's no booze, there's no broads, there's no ACTION...!"
>
> When I saw BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES in 1970, there were two trailers
> before the movie -- MASH and KELLY'S HEROES. Although I didn't see either
of
> those movies until they came to TV (in '74), I always associate them with
> BENEATH.
>
> "We ain't got no booze!" "Always with the negative waves."
> "To a New Yorker like you, a hero is some kind of weird
> sandwich"
> "Ruff, ruff, ruff! That's my other dog imitation."
>
> Too many great lines to quote. I guess James will want us now to start a
> KELLY's HEROES group. (By the way, the DVD looks and sound great.)
>
> -- Rory
>

> If you want a banana why don't you just pull out the one that's
> jammed up your butt!!!!

--- In pota@y..., "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@b...> wrote:
> I would suggest that some people here need to grow up a tad.
But of
> course, it's just another lost cause.
> Gristle P.

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:25 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Bananas


> Well one of the signs of maturity is staying out of matters that
> don't concern you. So why don't you set a good example for us all
> Mr. Grown-up.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@b...> wrote:
> > I would suggest that some people here need to grow up a tad.
> But of
> > course, it's just another lost cause.
> > Gristle P.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@b...> wrote:
> I rest my case.
> Gristle P.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:25 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Bananas
>
>
> > Well one of the signs of maturity is staying out of matters that
> > don't concern you. So why don't you set a good example for us all
> > Mr. Grown-up.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@b...> wrote:
> > > I would suggest that some people here need to grow up a
tad.
> > But of
> > > course, it's just another lost cause.
> > > Gristle P.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> > the British POTA "Apeslayer" comic strips
> >
> Why not load them into the files?
> They can't be that bad.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Here's a trivia question for you!
> What group in Vietnam adopted Oddball's (Donald Sotherland) war
cry when
> going into battle after seeing Kelly's Heroes at their base of
operations?

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/23/02 9:04:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > You win a cookie!!!
> >
> >
>
> Don Rickles!! (Kelly's Heroes rocks!)
>
> Hey, James, this is a POTA group, devoted to apes. It's "You win
a banana!"
> or else open another group!

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/24/02 7:16:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > Speaking of Don Rickles does anyone remember where and when he
> > played Dr. Zaius??
> >
> >
>
> No.

On Wednesday, July 24, 2002, at 01:03 PM, Haristas@... wrote:

> Did anybody answer my question as to what two literary characters are
> mentioned in PLANET?
>
> -- Rory

>
> Ok, I'm kidding. How about Tarzan and Jane?

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/24/02 11:38:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > It was in an NBC special called "A Couple of Dons" (the other Don
was
> > Don Adams).
> >
> >
>
> How good was the makeup?

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Did anybody answer my question as to what two literary characters
are
> mentioned in PLANET?
>
> -- Rory

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trivia what is trivia


> Speaking of Don Rickles does anyone remember where and when he
> played Dr. Zaius??
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 7/23/02 9:04:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> >
> >
> > > You win a cookie!!!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Don Rickles!! (Kelly's Heroes rocks!)
> >
> > Hey, James, this is a POTA group, devoted to apes. It's "You win
> a banana!"
> > or else open another group!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@b...> wrote:
> Yes. It was a 70s TV special called "A Couple Of Dons". The
other Don was
> Don Adams.
> They did some sort of insipid banana joke.
> Gristle P.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trivia what is trivia
>
>
> > Speaking of Don Rickles does anyone remember where and when he
> > played Dr. Zaius??
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 7/23/02 9:04:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > You win a cookie!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Don Rickles!! (Kelly's Heroes rocks!)
> > >
> > > Hey, James, this is a POTA group, devoted to apes. It's "You
win
> > a banana!"
> > > or else open another group!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/24/02 2:33:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
MTotsky@a...
> writes:
>
>
> > How about Tarzan and Jane?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
>
> That's it!

On Wednesday, July 24, 2002, at 07:19 PM, james611102 wrote:

> Has anyone figured out who from the Die Hard trilogy also appeared
> in an Apes film.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trivia what is trivia


> Yes. It was a 70s TV special called "A Couple Of Dons". The other Don
was
> Don Adams.
> They did some sort of insipid banana joke.
> Gristle P.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trivia what is trivia
>
>
> > Speaking of Don Rickles does anyone remember where and when he
> > played Dr. Zaius??
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 7/23/02 9:04:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > You win a cookie!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Don Rickles!! (Kelly's Heroes rocks!)
> > >
> > > Hey, James, this is a POTA group, devoted to apes. It's "You win
> > a banana!"
> > > or else open another group!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I thought someone already answered this one. It was Colleen Camp.

On Wednesday, July 24, 2002, at 07:19  PM, james611102 wrote:

> Has anyone figured out who from the Die Hard trilogy also appeared
> in an Apes film.

--

Brian Madsen

BCMadsen@...

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:34 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Antsyversary


> How are YOU going to celebrate the 1st anniversary of POTA2001 this
> weekend?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trivia what is trivia
>
>
> > Yes. It was a 70s TV special called "A Couple Of Dons". The other Don
> was
> > Don Adams.
> > They did some sort of insipid banana joke.
> > Gristle P.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trivia what is trivia
> >
> >
> > > Speaking of Don Rickles does anyone remember where and when he
> > > played Dr. Zaius??
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > > In a message dated 7/23/02 9:04:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You win a cookie!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don Rickles!! (Kelly's Heroes rocks!)
> > > >
> > > > Hey, James, this is a POTA group, devoted to apes. It's "You win
> > > a banana!"
> > > > or else open another group!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> How are YOU going to celebrate the 1st anniversary of POTA2001
this
> weekend?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@b...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trivia what is trivia
>
>
> > Yes. It was a 70s TV special called "A Couple Of Dons". The
other Don
> was
> > Don Adams.
> > They did some sort of insipid banana joke.
> > Gristle P.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trivia what is trivia
> >
> >
> > > Speaking of Don Rickles does anyone remember where and when he
> > > played Dr. Zaius??
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > > In a message dated 7/23/02 9:04:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You win a cookie!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don Rickles!! (Kelly's Heroes rocks!)
> > > >
> > > > Hey, James, this is a POTA group, devoted to apes.
It's "You win
> > > a banana!"
> > > > or else open another group!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> > Has anyone figured out who from the Die Hard trilogy also
appeared
> > in an Apes film.
>
> David Warner

--- In pota@y..., Brian Madsen <BCMadsen@e...> wrote:
> Colleen Camp was in an Apes film? Which one, and as what
character?
>
>
> At 10:29 PM 7/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >I thought someone already answered this one. It was Colleen Camp.
> >
> >On Wednesday, July 24, 2002, at 07:19 PM, james611102 wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone figured out who from the Die Hard trilogy also
appeared
> >> in an Apes film.
>
>
> --
>
> Brian Madsen
> BCMadsen@e...

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:30 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] trivia

Has anyone figured out who from the Die Hard trilogy also appeared
in an Apes film.

David Warner

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:32 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] trivia

Has anyone figured out who from the Die Hard trilogy also appeared
in an Apes film.

Sorry, I always get David Warner and Alan Rickman confused.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trivia what is trivia


> Yes. It was a 70s TV special called "A Couple Of Dons". The other Don
was
> Don Adams.
> They did some sort of insipid banana joke.
> Gristle P.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trivia what is trivia
>
>
> > Speaking of Don Rickles does anyone remember where and when he
> > played Dr. Zaius??
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 7/23/02 9:04:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > You win a cookie!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Don Rickles!! (Kelly's Heroes rocks!)
> > >
> > > Hey, James, this is a POTA group, devoted to apes. It's "You win
> > a banana!"
> > > or else open another group!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> How are YOU going to celebrate the 1st anniversary of POTA2001

> weekend?

>
> > It has been awhile since I read it but I don't remember any
> differences
> > from the final movie.
> >
>
> Sounds like you have the final revised script with all the on set
> changes, not the shooting script.

> > In the Marvel adaptation based on the earlier script Caesar,
> McDonald,
> > and Virgil are forced to shoot and kill some of Kolp's (Breck's)
> men
> > in order to escape from the city. In Kolp's mind, the war had
> already
> > started when his men were killed.
> >
>
> They shot and threw grenades at the mutants in the film. Doesn't
> sound like much of a difference to me.

> > But the Corringtons were using the scripts of the earlier movies
> > for reference, not the movies themselves, and they meant for him
> to be the same
> > character as the CONQUEST and ESCAPE Aldo.
>
> Have they ever said this???

> > The Corringtons wrote a
> > very coherent story, not a patchwork job.
>
> Since you don't have the Corrington's actual script you don't really
> know if that's true or not.

> > The Marvel adaptation makes
> > better sense than the final movie.
>
> If memory serves Marvel did a interm story between Conquest and
> Battle called "Quest for the Planet of the Apes" and then extended
> the Battle adaption to 7 rather than 6 chapters. Since it was an
> adaption it's very possible that the Marvel writers fleshed things
> out, fixed problems and made it all jell with their interm story.

>Okay, here's some just off the top of my head. . . .

>
>As Mr Cougar said, talk off topic as much as we like but add the "OT".
>
>Michael

>
>
> What's with all the "????" in your sentences. This stuff isn't

> enough to get worked up about.

> What I have is apparently the final version of the script (from

> CITY) originally submitted Dec. 20 1972 with revisions on Dec. 27

> and Jan. 3 1973. The first thing I checked was the "Aldo" reference
> from Cornelius that was in the Marvel version. Dehn must have

> the Aldo reference sometime after Dec 20 because that page was

> altered without being retyped.
>

> It was a huge difference. They killed a lot of Kolp's/Breck's men,

> from when their escape had been cut off. Compare that with Dehn's

> change of Caesar using the water hose when they were cut off. If

> are about to be captured and/or killed are you going to get out a
> water hose, or would you use the automatic weapon that you already

> in your hands? Another example of where Dehn dumbed down the

>> It is very obvious from the earlier (Marvel) version of the script
> that this was the case. The earlier script just doesn't leave any

> doubt that the BATTLE Aldo was supposed to be the ESCAPE Aldo.

> relevent dialog [Marvel #24 p22] so that people can see that for

> This dialog is yet another example of how the earlier script was

> to understand and made better sense before Dehn's changes.

> Yes I do know that. While I do not know what the date was on the

> was using (I sure would like to), I am certain it was an earlier

> script without any of the significant changes Dehn put in.

>
> You've got this backwards. The whole purpose of the "Quest" story

> horrible attempt to bridge the CONQUEST script to the BATTLE

> used a full page editorial [#27 p23] in order to make it very clear

> were not changing the BATTLE story in any way. Here is an excerpt.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> All of the Apes adaptations done for this magazine were done from

> scripts. For those of you who might be unfamiliar with the term,

> the script as it stands at the time principal photography is begun

> film...which account for the slight variations in our first four

>
> But then we come to BATTLE, in which the difference between our

> and the 20th Century Fox film are something more than "minimal"

> thing you should know that neither Doug Moench nor anyone at Marvel

> made those changes. DOUG ADDED NOTHING OF HIS OWN TO THE SCRIPT.

> have been reading is a nearly verbatim adaptation of the shooting

> provided by Fox. Why the final film was so completely altered, I

> know...
> ------------------------------------------------------------------

> My only comment is that Marvel didn't realize here they were not

> final version of the script. Just a guess but maybe whoever gave

> copy knew that the earlier script was better. The version of the

> SCRIPT CITY looks like the actual shooting script with Dehn's

> was dated the same month the film began shooting (Jan 1973) and

> just the same as the movie.

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> All of the Apes adaptations done for this magazine were done from
>the shooting
>> scripts. For those of you who might be unfamiliar with the term,
>it refers to
>> the script as it stands at the time principal photography is begun
>on a
>> film...which account for the slight variations in our first four
>adaptations.
>>
>> But then we come to BATTLE, in which the difference between our
>adaptation
>> and the 20th Century Fox film are something more than "minimal"
>The first
>> thing you should know that neither Doug Moench nor anyone at Marvel
>comics
>> made those changes. DOUG ADDED NOTHING OF HIS OWN TO THE SCRIPT.
>What you
>> have been reading is a nearly verbatim adaptation of the shooting
>script
>> provided by Fox. Why the final film was so completely altered, I
>don't
>> know...
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>All Marvel said is that they didn't add anything to the story, which
>was pretty close to the final Battle story anyway. But it's possible
>that they rewrote the dialouge to make it more readable. However,
>since you or I weren't not there, neither of us can say what happened.

> Do you really think the Corrington's (writers of the soap opera
> Texas) are better writers than Dehn (screenwriter of The Spy who Came
> in from the Cold, Goldfinger & Murder on the Orient Express)?

--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> >Okay, here's some just off the top of my head. . . .
>
> What did the civilian gorilla suit look like and who were the only two
> gorillas we saw wearing it?
>
>

> Unless Marvel was lying in its full page editorial on this very

> than yes I can say with certainty what happened.
>
> Marvel says that
>
> (1) The earlier story was very different - "the final film was so

> altered".
>
> (2) Marvel was not responsible for the story changes - "neither

> nor anyone at Marvel made those changes"
>
> (3) Marvel was not responsible for the dialog changes - "What you

> been reading was a nearly verbatim adaptation of the shooting

> by Fox." Marvel also specifically mentions that they were not

> for the dialog changes later on.

> It's a fact James. Buy it you'll sleep better.
>

> Okay you just don't like criticism of Dehn.

> But this discussion is
> about the BATTLE script, not about Goldfinger or Texas or some

> writers put out. Jacobs rejected Dehn's original BATTLE script

> wasn't good enough even though Dehn had done the three earlier

> like all of the POTA writers including Mike Wilson, Serling, the

> and Paul Dehn. It was Dehn who created the Aldo character in the

> and also started the clever Caesar/Christ parallels in ESCAPE that

> continued in BATTLE. But Dehn is not above screwing up as his

> BATTLE prove.

> Are Julius and the kid to whom you are refering.
>
> > What did the civilian gorilla suit look like and who were the only two
> > gorillas we saw wearing it?
> >

On Thursday, July 25, 2002, at 05:39 PM, james611102 wrote:

> Just wondering what is everyone's favorite POTA spoof or reference
> in pop culture.

>In a message dated 7/25/02 5:40:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
>JamesA1102@... writes:
>
><< Just wondering what is everyone's favorite POTA spoof or reference
> in pop culture. >>
>
>Mine has got to be The Simpsons where Troy Mclure plays an astronaut in
>Planet of the Apes the musical. Good laffs.
>
>"I hate every ape I see from chimpan-a to chimpan-z."
>

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Yeah, The Simpsons have a lot of good ones. Like when Homer
realizes it was
> Earth. But one of my faves is when Austin Powers is aske what the
future is
> like.
>
> Well, food comes in pill form. Everyone has a flying car. And
the World is
> run by Damned Dirty Apes!

>> Marvel says that
>>
>> (1) The earlier story was very different - "the final film was so
>completely
>> altered".
>>
>> (2) Marvel was not responsible for the story changes - "neither
>Doug Moench
>> nor anyone at Marvel made those changes"
>>
>> (3) Marvel was not responsible for the dialog changes - "What you
>have
>> been reading was a nearly verbatim adaptation of the shooting
>script provided
>> by Fox." Marvel also specifically mentions that they were not
>responsible
>> for the dialog changes later on.
>
>
>What Marvel said is immaterial. They didn't print the screenplay
>they printed an adaption in comic form. We haven't read that script
>and we don't know for certain what changes they made or didn't make.
>So there is no way comment on the quality of the script without ever
>having read it. Would you review 'War & Peace' the novel based on a
>film, TV or comic adaption? I think not.

>> Okay you just don't like criticism of Dehn.

>I don't like any critism of someone who is dead and can't respond,

--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> Alright you're going to think whatever you want to think and no
amount
> of proof otherwise is going to matter.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Remember the one in the movie "Strange Brew"?

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> > Speaking of Don Rickles does anyone remember where and when he
> > played Dr. Zaius??
>
> That sounds familiar, but I can't think from where!

>Ok, you lost me What the heck is "Apeslayer"...?

>Why not load them into the files?
>They can't be that bad.

>Yes...please just load the Apeslayer comics into the FILES section
>here. That's much easier than having to email them and more people
>can see them. Thanks! :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:39 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Spoofs


> Just wondering what is everyone's favorite POTA spoof or reference
> in pop culture.
> Mine is from an episode of Cheers.
>
> WOODY: What you thinking about Sam?
>
> SAM: I thinking about Planet of the Apes. I watched it last night
> but feel asleep and missed the ending.
>
> CLIFF: UH...Chuck Heston find the ruins of the Statue of Liberty on
> the beach.
>
> SAM: You mean he was on Planet Earth the whole time!!! WHOA!!!
>
>
>
>
>
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>

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] When you wish upon a Goth, your nightmares
come true


> Thade. Leo. Ari. Limbo. Deana. And, of course, Attar. Legends all, yet
> it's hard to believe it's only been a year since their motion picture
debut.
>
> "I never want us to lose sight of the fact that it all began with an
> - - - Tim Burton
>
> During a train ride as a young man, Tim Burton had an inspiration.
Quickly
> grabbing the nearest piece of paper he could find, he made a notation and
> drew a quick sketch of his brainchild, a chimpanzee named Thade. At the
time
> the character was conceived as an amiable, "friend to the world" type and
> Burton chose him to star in an animated short he was developing,
"Steamboat
> Zauis". The first ever gothic cartoon with sound, the film quickly
> established Burton's reputation. He went on to make a series of short
films
> starring Thade and his friends, and they were embraced by the public.
> But as he moved into feature films, Burton left his simian cohorts
behind
> to concentrate on other ideas. He was successful, with such films as "Pee
> Wee's Big Adventure", "Beetlejuice" and "Batman" establishing him as a
> cherished artist. Then he expanded into the brave new worlds of television
> and theme parks in the '50's. "The Edward Scissorhands Show" became a
staple
> and the omnipresent "scissor caps" became an icon of boys' heads
everywhere.
> He opened Nightmare Before ChristmasLand, his groundbreaking theme park,
> even though the rides didn't run that first day. In fact, they never ran
> during the park's history. Explained Burton,"Everyone expects to go to a
> theme park and go on the rides. It's one of the crazier aspects of society
> that we automatically assume things will be perfect. Life's not like that.
I
> thought it would be interesting if the rides didn't work. What would
people
> do then?" Though at first miffed, the patrons decided it was just an
example
> of Burton's unique genius. He went further, and kept his shops on
> Skellington Street closed, to see what would happen. Though no rides was
> fine, keeping the shops closed cut into revenues and the park was forced
to
> close for good.
> But Burton continued to find success in motion pictures and eventually
> decided to bring his ape characters (Thade and the rest) to a feature film
> of their own. Eccentric billionaire Richard Zanuck, impressed by Burton's
> luck with the public, agreed to make it a reality. As he said at the time,
> "The combination of Tim Burton's safe just spells magic to me". But Burton
> had his own ambitions: " Some movies come out and they're big hits. Other
> movies come out and just do OK. But everybody TRIES to make a hit, which
> gets boring. I wondered what it would be like to try and make a movie that
> would just do OK. Nobody sets out to do a movie like that. What would that
> be like? I thought it would be interesting."
> As for a game plan: "When you go to a hit movie, like "The Matrix", it
> works on two levels. There's the special effects and the visuals that make
> it...uh, look fantastic. That's one thing. Then there's another thing, the
> story and the characters. People want to tgo to a movie and see characters
> they care about and like, so they become involved in the story. But what
if
> you deny them that? Then they say, "Oh, I don't like this character, so I
> don't care about this movie!" or "That's not logical, it's taking me out
of
> the movie. I don't believe in it". That type of thing. So that was my
> approach, to take some of that story stuff out of there as an experiment".
> Of course, after the movie came out (it just did OK) and Zanuck heard such
> comments, he was livid and threatened to sue. But Burton got defensive and
> explained, " Look, it's my career, nobody elses'. You can't always have
> success or you don't grow. Failure is also a part of it."
> So, what does the future hold for Tim Burton? It's too soon to tell but
> chances are he will remain a Master of Goth. (the canned '50's music plays
> vibrantly as the end title appears: THE END - - A Walt Disney Picture).
> Happy 1st Anniversary, POTA2001. May you have many more!
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:39 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Spoofs
>
>
> > Just wondering what is everyone's favorite POTA spoof or reference
> > in pop culture.
> > Mine is from an episode of Cheers.
> >
> > WOODY: What you thinking about Sam?
> >
> > SAM: I thinking about Planet of the Apes. I watched it last night
> > but feel asleep and missed the ending.
> >
> > CLIFF: UH...Chuck Heston find the ruins of the Statue of Liberty on
> > the beach.
> >
> > SAM: You mean he was on Planet Earth the whole time!!! WHOA!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
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----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:39 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Spoofs


> Just wondering what is everyone's favorite POTA spoof or reference
> in pop culture.
> Mine is from an episode of Cheers.
>
> WOODY: What you thinking about Sam?
>
> SAM: I thinking about Planet of the Apes. I watched it last night
> but feel asleep and missed the ending.
>
> CLIFF: UH...Chuck Heston find the ruins of the Statue of Liberty on
> the beach.
>
> SAM: You mean he was on Planet Earth the whole time!!! WHOA!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Spoofs


> I was watching Justice League on Cartoon network last night ( with my
> son..honest!) and they had a city of talking Gorillas.
> When The Flash tried to catch one he said " Take your stinking paws of me
> you dirty human ". With pre-production timelines for animated shows,
chances
> are this was written and in the works prior to when it made us all squirm
> and cringe when used in POTA2001.
> My Favourite spoof has to be The Simpsons musical. Pure genius. I like the
> Chuck episode of SNL, even though it was kind of lame. I just like the use
> of the original costumes.
> KEN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:39 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Spoofs
>
>
> > Just wondering what is everyone's favorite POTA spoof or reference
> > in pop culture.
> > Mine is from an episode of Cheers.
> >
> > WOODY: What you thinking about Sam?
> >
> > SAM: I thinking about Planet of the Apes. I watched it last night
> > but feel asleep and missed the ending.
> >
> > CLIFF: UH...Chuck Heston find the ruins of the Statue of Liberty on
> > the beach.
> >
> > SAM: You mean he was on Planet Earth the whole time!!! WHOA!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
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>

>Proof? You have absolutely no proof of anything you're saying. You
>never read the Corrington's script, so you have no basis to comment
>on it.

>--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
>> Alright you're going to think whatever you want to think and no
>amount
>> of proof otherwise is going to matter.

>Well, I've uploaded some of the files to Yahoo, but I got a message after
>only a few, saying that our space limits were used up. Apparently, we're
>allotted about 5 megs of space, which is a lot less than the Apeslayer
>storyline will take up once all 83 pages are scanned.
>
>Grr....
>
>I've saved the 39 files in four zip files, each approx. 11 megs in size. I
>can send them to the group, but I don't know if everyone can receive files
>that big, and in any case, those on Digest Mode won't get them. Any
>suggestions for what I should do next?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:18 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Apeslayer, followup


> Thanks Rich. Anyone with a web site want to make 44 megs available
> temporarily for these files? If not I might be able to set something up
> next week. What we could really use is a permanment site for stuff like
> this.
>
>
> >Well, I've uploaded some of the files to Yahoo, but I got a message after
> >only a few, saying that our space limits were used up. Apparently, we're
> >allotted about 5 megs of space, which is a lot less than the Apeslayer
> >storyline will take up once all 83 pages are scanned.
> >
> >Grr....
> >
> >I've saved the 39 files in four zip files, each approx. 11 megs in size.
I
> >can send them to the group, but I don't know if everyone can receive
files
> >that big, and in any case, those on Digest Mode won't get them. Any
> >suggestions for what I should do next?
>

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> This says it's from the '68 original. I kind of doubt that. It
looks more
> like Caesar to me. What do you think?
>
>
> >Click here:
> javascript:%20showupdate(1,2)


http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt
>
> em&item=2125287742</A>

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> It does say P on it. Planet?
> Still, if the stories are true,
> R M P could stand for Roddy Mc Penis.

> For
> those of you who like to defend Battle I have just six words. "We Need Guns.
> Gun Are Power." Need I say more?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hindsight is a wonderful thing...


> > For
> > those of you who like to defend Battle I have just six words. "We Need
Guns.
> > Gun Are Power." Need I say more?
>
> Mr. Aldo didn't have the benefit of an education. All he got to attend
was
> Ape Management school.
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hindsight is a wonderful thing...


> > For
> > those of you who like to defend Battle I have just six words. "We Need
Guns.
> > Gun Are Power." Need I say more?
>
> Mr. Aldo didn't have the benefit of an education. All he got to attend
was
> Ape Management school.
>
>
>

> The Powerpuff Girls Movie has a few POTA references but my fave is
> the one where the City of Townsville has been overrun by intelligent
> apes. With the ruins of the city burning in the background, evil
> monkey Mojo Jojo, standing on the steps of city hall, adresses the
> apes and surviving humans and gives an impassioned speech about how
> he will be the ruler of a planet of apes.
>
> First CONQUEST spoof I ever saw...
>
> -Smee

>SLAM BANG< into one of the WORLD TRADE CENTER towers! Of course, the plot is foiled by our stalwart geek-heroes... but, remember, this episode aired long before "9/11". Not that Osama bin Laden got his horrid idea from watching the FOX channel on Satellite...

>From: Haristas@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1549954080 (Ends
>Jul-21-02�22:41:58 PDT ) - Conquest..Pla
>Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:23:43 EDT
>
> Well, the bidding has closed on this item, but it looks like you won it,
>Alex. Please let us know if this is for real and is the original
>director's
>cut.
>
>
><A
>HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1549954080">Click
>here: eBay item 1549954080 (Ends Jul-21-02�22:41:58 PDT ) -
>Conquest..Planet of the Apes RARE Long Vr VHS</A>

> I'm sure it is legit, Rory.
> For it's the same guy, Matt Sotis, who runs this web site.
> http://msotis.home.mindspring.com/
>
> Matt also told me he will be sending me a copy of his Planet of the Men video. Snap Shots can be seen on his web site under "video".
> He was thrilled to not only receive payment for the Conquest UNcut, but also for my Battle UNcut DVD that I sent with it.
>
> One hand washes the other, so if all goes well, all of us will be in for some great POTA treats from, Sotis as well. All on DVD.
>
> Best.
> Al

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