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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) movie pic

In a message dated 8/18/02 4:44:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:

Mad Monster Party.

"nnno body's perfect Francesca...Francesca...Francesca...Francesca".
One of my favourite kid movies. Just got it on DVD.

You probably didn't notice, but at the very end of the movie Francesca's voice is supposed to say "Yeeeeah!"    It's on the CD and the trailer on the DVD, and the new VHS (So I've read on the net.), but on the DVD it's cut off.  What's up with that?

                    
                   Check out www.madmonsterparty-movie.com

-- Rory

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--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Watch what you say Ken Taylor, I'm back!
>
> Michael

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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) movie pic

Maybe because the DVD was authored from a 35mil print and the previous VHS releases were taken from a 16mm print and for some reason they're different (sounds like a cue for Phyllis Diller ....or Mama Cass in the Pufnstuff movie, but that's a whole new OT subject!)

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In a message dated 8/18/02 4:44:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:

Mad Monster Party.

"nnno body's perfect Francesca...Francesca...Francesca...Francesca".
One of my favourite kid movies. Just got it on DVD.

You probably didn't notice, but at the very end of the movie Francesca's voice is supposed to say "Yeeeeah!"    It's on the CD and the trailer on the DVD, and the new VHS (So I've read on the net.), but on the DVD it's cut off.  What's up with that?

                    
                   Check out www.madmonsterparty-movie.com

-- Rory

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Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:35 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A Secret About Mr Whitty......


> Watch what you say Ken Taylor, I'm back!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:15 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) movie pic

  Well, hey, let's make it topical. What is "authoring"? It just so happens that at the 5th annual DVD awards on Aug. 21, POTA2001 is up for Best Authoring. Is that the elements used to create the DVD? I know the elements used to create the original POTA DVDs is called Arthuring. The competion in the Best Authoring catagory are "John Q", "Shrek", "Snow White" and "Episode One". Other catagories are Best of Show, Best Special Edition, Best Standard Release, Best Educational/Documentary, Best Music DVD,Best restoration, Best Audio/Non Video, Best DVD-Rom Support, Viewer's Choice, Best Video Presentation, Best Audio Presentation, Best Packaging and Best Menu Design. POTA isn't up for any of the others. "Star Wars:Ep. One"(5), "Snow White"(4),and  "Pearl Harbor"(6) got the most noms. Still, over a year later POTA2001 is still getting nominations. And you guys said it sucked! ETc.                - - - Jeff

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) movie pic

Maybe because the DVD was authored from a 35mil print and the previous VHS releases were taken from a 16mm print and for some reason they're different (sounds like a cue for Phyllis Diller ....or Mama Cass in the Pufnstuff movie, but that's a whole new OT subject!)

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In a message dated 8/18/02 4:44:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:

Mad Monster Party.

"nnno body's perfect Francesca...Francesca...Francesca...Francesca".
One of my favourite kid movies. Just got it on DVD.

You probably didn't notice, but at the very end of the movie Francesca's voice is supposed to say "Yeeeeah!"    It's on the CD and the trailer on the DVD, and the new VHS (So I've read on the net.), but on the DVD it's cut off.  What's up with that?

                    
                   Check out www.madmonsterparty-movie.com

-- Rory

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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 7:15 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Battle poster

Just want to point out that the Battle poster was done in the style of all Fox posters at the time with a cheesy painting over a line of headshots of the cast. Here's the poster from the Poseidon Adventure which came out 6 months prior to Battle. You can see its done in the same style.


--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   Shows their attitude toward "Battle" from start to finish. Since they had
> so little respect for science fiction, I'm glad Lucas robbed them blind with
> "Star Wars" (oops, I'M Cynical Sam this morning!). - Jeff


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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken and Heather Taylor

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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 7:49 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) movie pic

Authoring is the process in creating the initial DVD master that all others will be replicated from. Not sure what the technical term is but I'm sure there's a 'DVD for Dummies' site someplace with all the jargon.

Best,

KEN 

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Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:15 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) movie pic

  Well, hey, let's make it topical. What is "authoring"? It just so happens that at the 5th annual DVD awards on Aug. 21, POTA2001 is up for Best Authoring. Is that the elements used to create the DVD? I know the elements used to create the original POTA DVDs is called Arthuring. The competion in the Best Authoring catagory are "John Q", "Shrek", "Snow White" and "Episode One". Other catagories are Best of Show, Best Special Edition, Best Standard Release, Best Educational/Documentary, Best Music DVD,Best restoration, Best Audio/Non Video, Best DVD-Rom Support, Viewer's Choice, Best Video Presentation, Best Audio Presentation, Best Packaging and Best Menu Design. POTA isn't up for any of the others. "Star Wars:Ep. One"(5), "Snow White"(4),and  "Pearl Harbor"(6) got the most noms. Still, over a year later POTA2001 is still getting nominations. And you guys said it sucked! ETc.                - - - Jeff

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) movie pic

Maybe because the DVD was authored from a 35mil print and the previous VHS releases were taken from a 16mm print and for some reason they're different (sounds like a cue for Phyllis Diller ....or Mama Cass in the Pufnstuff movie, but that's a whole new OT subject!)

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Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 7:27 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) movie pic

In a message dated 8/18/02 4:44:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:

Mad Monster Party.

"nnno body's perfect Francesca...Francesca...Francesca...Francesca".
One of my favourite kid movies. Just got it on DVD.

You probably didn't notice, but at the very end of the movie Francesca's voice is supposed to say "Yeeeeah!"    It's on the CD and the trailer on the DVD, and the new VHS (So I've read on the net.), but on the DVD it's cut off.  What's up with that?

                    
                   Check out www.madmonsterparty-movie.com

-- Rory

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Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:41 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DVD authoring

In a message dated 8/18/02 10:11:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Well, hey, let's make it topical. What is "authoring"? It just so happens that at the 5th annual DVD awards on Aug. 21, POTA2001 is up for Best Authoring. Is that the elements used to create the DVD? I know the elements used to create the original POTA DVDs is called Arthuring.

I believe authoring has to do with the digital compression that goes on when a film is transferred to DVD.  They have to compress the film to fit it onto the disc and so frames from the movie have to go.  You actually don't get every frame of the movie on DVD as you do on video cassette and did on laserdisc.  I think that out of every 24 frames per second from the actual film only 12 or maybe less get put on the DVD.  Someone actually has to decide which frames go and which stay.  How do they fool your eyes?  Several of those remaining frames are repeated so that the movie plays as normal.  This is all needed so they can fit the movie onto one disc and still have room for the menus and all the extras.  Anyway, that's how I understand it and that's the best I can do to explain it.

-- Rory

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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:42 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] MAD MONSTER PARTY (OT)

Oh,

I see what you mean. I had a few minutes to spare so I compared the DVD ( which I haven't watched all the way through yet..hence my mis-quote ) to the Deluxo/Black Bear Press VHS release from a couple of years ago. Seems like they cut the very end of the movie off when doing the DVD. Weird. A shame as the quality of the DVD is glorious compared to the VHS print released in 1999. It looks like it could have been made yesterday ( by school students ..as the pacing is kind of clunky as well as the animation). One of my other favourite movie when I was a kid was 'The Man Called Flintstone'. It was the first movie I ever saw at the cinema and to see the Flintsones in full color blew me away ( here in Australia, we didn't get color TV until around 1974 ).

One of my other favourites was Planet of the Apes ( just wanted to get back on topic).

Did I mention that I hated MIB2?

Ooops, off topic again.

 

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> Just want to point out that the Battle poster was done in the style

> Fox posters at the time with a cheesy painting over a line of

> the cast.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Monday, 19 August 2002 11:47
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: A Secret About Mr Whitty......
>
>
> Welcome back Michael. You've been missed.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Watch what you say Ken Taylor, I'm back!
> >
> > Michael

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Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Star Whores

Fox is crazy.  Read below from Cinescape.com




© 2002 Lucasfilm Ltd.
Amidala and Anakin fight to keep their love alive in STAR WARS: EPISODE II - ATTACK OF THE CLONES
DVD News
STAR WARS boxed DVD set goes retro?
DVD quality image in all the pan and scan glory of VHS
Dateline: Monday, August 19, 2002

By: CHRISTOPHER ALLAN SMITH
By: News Editor
Source: TheForce

How's this for an odd throwback. Along with the November 12 release of the full, beautiful widescreen DVD of STAR WARS EPISODE II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES comes a boxed set of EPISODE II and STAR WARS EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE.

No surprise, right?

Well, for this DVD release the details are sketchy (available for order at BestBuy.com now) but it is in the full glory… of pan-and-scan, full screen picture. That's right… all the glory of a cropped VHS like-picture in glittering DVD clarity.

We thought five to ten of you VHS nostalgics might like to know.







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Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:28 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oooops!

That last e-mail I sent to the group by mistake.  That was supposed to go to Joe Russo.  His a picture (very low resolution) of a poster he finally got.  That's the PLANET 3-sheet.  I do believe Jeff Krueger was with him when he found it out in L.A.




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Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:41 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Married.....with Chimps

In a message dated 8/20/02 9:39:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mystic4ever@... writes:

Anyone else catch THE RERUN SHOW tonight?  They spoofed "the most popular
show on the planet of the apes....MARRIED WITH CHILDREN!  Al, Peg, Kelly &
Bud were all in ape makeup.  It was quite hilarious!

Dan

Isn't that repeated on some other cable network?  I missed it so I hope so.

-- Rory

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Sorry to hear about your computer problems. I myself have had to reinstall a few times and I know how much of a pain in the ass it is. Linux, save me from the hell called Windows! lol

Anyways, it would be great to get that battle uncut dvd just the same. Toons will just have to wait for now. :o)

Thy

 Alexander Ruiz wrote:

Hey everyone.
Here's the status on my DVDs. A few days ago, my system crashed and burned,
and all captured media for my DVDs went with it. So the only thing I could
do is to send everyone my Battle UNcut DVD along with my Music CD. This will
take place in a few weeks, but regardless everyone who asked will receive.
It'll just be my Battle DVD and my music DVD instead of what was requested.

Now that I've put my system back together, I'm not going to get into that
venture again, especially with making DVDs anymore. It's a pain in the ass,
and in the end my system went to shit.

So be expecting my Battle DVD along with my Music CD in the coming weeks.

Best and sorry, I tried.
Al

P.S.
Now that the system is back and running again, I'm now just devoting my

>From: thypentacle <thypentacle@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Status
>Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:01:38 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Sorry to hear about your computer problems. I myself have had to reinstall
>a few times and I know how much of a pain in the ass it is. Linux, save me
>from the hell called Windows! lol
>Anyways, it would be great to get that battle uncut dvd just the same.
>Toons will just have to wait for now. :o)
>Thy
> Alexander Ruiz wrote:
>Hey everyone.
>Here's the status on my DVDs. A few days ago, my system crashed and burned,
>and all captured media for my DVDs went with it. So the only thing I could
>do is to send everyone my Battle UNcut DVD along with my Music CD. This
>will
>take place in a few weeks, but regardless everyone who asked will receive.
>It'll just be my Battle DVD and my music DVD instead of what was requested.
>
>Now that I've put my system back together, I'm not going to get into that
>venture again, especially with making DVDs anymore. It's a pain in the ass,
>and in the end my system went to shit.
>
>So be expecting my Battle DVD along with my Music CD in the coming weeks.
>
>Best and sorry, I tried.
>Al
>
>P.S.
>Now that the system is back and running again, I'm now just devoting my
>system to my new site at: www.skynetsite.com I spent an entire weekend
>putting this computer back together, and I'm not going through that hell
>again.
>
>I guess it serves me right.
>
>
>
>---------------------------------

>>

>From: CheeseGOTAS@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Status
>Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:51:41 EDT
>
>In a message dated 8/20/02 9:51:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
>thaderules@... writes:
>
><< Hey everyone.
> Here's the status on my DVDs. A few days ago, my system crashed and
>burned,
> and all captured media for my DVDs went with it. So the only thing I
>could
> do is to send everyone my Battle UNcut DVD along with my Music CD. This
>will
> take place in a few weeks, but regardless everyone who asked will
>receive.
> It'll just be my Battle DVD and my music DVD instead of what was
>requested.
> >>
>
>It's cool man. Atleast you gave your best effort ;). It's a pain in the
>ass when your comp crashes, isn't it?
>
>-Joe

> In a message dated 8/18/02 2:05:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
>
> > You sound like the museum curator in Escape". - Jeff [a.]
> >
>
> Oh, leave Patrick alone. He caught me in a mistake [b.] when I foolishly tried to best his obvious intellectual superiority, and I deserve everything I get from him. In fact, I've been thinking. . . remember when Patrick told us that the little boy ape in PLANET is named Quentin, and not the Quintus we've all heard for the past few decades? Maybe he's right. [c.] And remember when he wrote that because John Huston as the Lawgiver in BATTLE doesn't look anything like the Lawgiver statue in PLANET that they can't be the same Lawgiver? [d.] Well, I think maybe we should now start to take Patrick seriously and treat him with more respect and, in deference to Patrick's amazing mind, I'm beginning to believe that the Monster in FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLFMAN has to be a different one than in the first FRANKENSTEIN, they don't look alike at all [e.], and that therefore there must be more than one James Bond and Charlie Chan, not to mention Jack Ryan and Tarzan (Oops, I just did.), and I ask you how can the egg possibly come from the chicken? And what about the man from the ape!! Think about it. Now, I feel I must let Patrick alone and allow him the peace he needs so that, I'm sure, on this day off from whatever he does for a living, he can give himself a much needed and refreshing enema. . . . IN ORDER TO CLEAR HIS MIND!!!!!
>
> Thank you,
> Rory

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From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:39 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Rory: "Enema of the State"


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 8/18/02 2:05:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > veetus@e... writes:
> >
> >
> > > You sound like the museum curator in Escape". - Jeff [a.]
> > >
> >
> > Oh, leave Patrick alone. He caught me in a mistake [b.] when I
foolishly tried to best his obvious intellectual superiority, and I deserve
everything I get from him. In fact, I've been thinking. . . remember when
Patrick told us that the little boy ape in PLANET is named Quentin, and not
the Quintus we've all heard for the past few decades? Maybe he's right.
[c.] And remember when he wrote that because John Huston as the Lawgiver in
BATTLE doesn't look anything like the Lawgiver statue in PLANET that they
can't be the same Lawgiver? [d.] Well, I think maybe we should now start to
take Patrick seriously and treat him with more respect and, in deference to
Patrick's amazing mind, I'm beginning to believe that the Monster in
FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLFMAN has to be a different one than in the first
FRANKENSTEIN, they don't look alike at all [e.], and that therefore there
must be more than one James Bond and Charlie Chan, not to mention Jack Ryan
and Tarzan (Oops, I just did.), and I ask you how can the egg possibly come
from the chicken? And what about the man from the ape!! Think about it.
Now, I feel I must let Patrick alone and allow him the peace he needs so
that, I'm sure, on this day off from whatever he does for a living, he can
give himself a much needed and refreshing enema. . . . IN ORDER TO CLEAR HIS
MIND!!!!!
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Rory
>
> *** With fiends like Rory, who needs enemas?
>
> [a.] The ESCAPE museum curator... well, at least he knew what he was
> talking about. Even Hasslein was riveted so much by his presentation
> that he didn't notice right away that a talking chimpanzee (!) had
> wandered away from the group and fainted.
>
> [b.] Rory admits he made a mistake! Jesus H. Christ in a handbasket!
> Will wonders never cease? I've never claimed to be perfect, and I
> certainly don't expect perfection from Rory (or anybody else) here, so
> I'm not one to brow-beat him for a minor little f*ck-up. Buy why, pray
> tell, am I not afforded the same courtesy? It seems that all I have to
> do is frickin' BREATHE and Rory goes out of his way to fire off an
> insult. It's a good thing I don't have a taste for "free-range rude,"
> like Hannibal Lecter. There's more than enough of it to go around
> here.
>
> [c.] Quintus vs. Quentin. Evidently, I'm not the only one who thinks
> the name is "Quentin": whoever is responsible for the subtitling on
> the DVD has Momma Chimp saying, "Come on, Quentin." Mind you, the
> subtitlers of these APES DVDs aren't always 100% correct (the "Aldo"
> chimp beaten up by the police in CONQUEST is given the name "Otto" by
> the subtitler, for instance), and so I for one wouldn't consider the
> name "Quentin" to be 'canon'. If it sounds like "Quintus" to others,
> then FINE. I don't give a rodent's gluteus one way or the other. To
> ME, it sounds like "Quentin"--and rest assured that I wasn't the one
> hired to do the subtitling on the PLANET DVD, so at least ONE other
> person hears the name the same way I do.
>
> [d.] I never said that the difference in the "look" of the Huston
> "Lawgiver" and the Lawgiver statue meant that they "can't" be the
> same. It was on purely chronological grounds that I concluded that
> (i.e. 2670 A.D. [BATTLE] vs. c. 3955/3978 minus 1,200 years [PLANET],
> or c. 2755/2778 A.D.: about a century later). What I DID say was that
> I wondered why the make-up guys who did up John Huston--who COULD have
> made him look like the Statue from PLANET/BENEATH, yet DID'NT--did not
> try to match the look, IF, that is (as "non-circular timeline"
> proponents claim) this is supposed to be the same guy, albeit in a
> "changed lane" of Time. I brought up relevant religious iconography
> (the Sphinx vs. Khephren's statue, depictions of Jesus' face in
> relation to the Turin shroud, etc.) because a statuary depiction of
> "the greatest ape of all" would not be done lightly, given that the
> ape culture is religiously authoritarian. Rory & James don't seem to
> give a shit about my speculations regarding this (and I'm not saying
> they SHOULD, mind you), in spite of my courteous suggestion that
> James--who I know has the capability--do something I'm not
> technologically equipped to do: post side-by-side pics of the Lawgiver
> Statue and John Huston IN HIS APE MAKE-UP on this site. I asked him
> nicely, but he had to be a prick about it and posted a pic of John
> Huston sans make-up, in a piss-poor attempt at humor (at my expense,
> of course). I'm not the one here who needs an enema.
>
> [e.] A different actor may have played Frankenstein's monster, but
> they used the same "flat-head/bolts-in-the-neck" make-up, didn't they?
> Remember when David Watson played Cornelius in BENEATH? He mentioned
> in an interview (I think it was in APESFAN #2) that some people didn't
> even notice that it wasn't Roddy playing the part, since David's voice
> and mannerisms--AND THE MAKE-UPS--helped him to portray the same
> character.
>
> You're as welcome, Rory, as an ass-rash,
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 2:39 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Rory: "Enema of the State"


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 8/18/02 2:05:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > veetus@e... writes:
> >
> >
> > > You sound like the museum curator in Escape". - Jeff [a.]
> > >
> >
> > Oh, leave Patrick alone. He caught me in a mistake [b.] when I
foolishly tried to best his obvious intellectual superiority, and I deserve
everything I get from him. In fact, I've been thinking. . . remember when
Patrick told us that the little boy ape in PLANET is named Quentin, and not
the Quintus we've all heard for the past few decades? Maybe he's right.
[c.] And remember when he wrote that because John Huston as the Lawgiver in
BATTLE doesn't look anything like the Lawgiver statue in PLANET that they
can't be the same Lawgiver? [d.] Well, I think maybe we should now start to
take Patrick seriously and treat him with more respect and, in deference to
Patrick's amazing mind, I'm beginning to believe that the Monster in
FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLFMAN has to be a different one than in the first
FRANKENSTEIN, they don't look alike at all [e.], and that therefore there
must be more than one James Bond and Charlie Chan, not to mention Jack Ryan
and Tarzan (Oops, I just did.), and I ask you how can the egg possibly come
from the chicken? And what about the man from the ape!! Think about it.
Now, I feel I must let Patrick alone and allow him the peace he needs so
that, I'm sure, on this day off from whatever he does for a living, he can
give himself a much needed and refreshing enema. . . . IN ORDER TO CLEAR HIS
MIND!!!!!
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Rory
>
> *** With fiends like Rory, who needs enemas?
>
> [a.] The ESCAPE museum curator... well, at least he knew what he was
> talking about. Even Hasslein was riveted so much by his presentation
> that he didn't notice right away that a talking chimpanzee (!) had
> wandered away from the group and fainted.
>
> [b.] Rory admits he made a mistake! Jesus H. Christ in a handbasket!
> Will wonders never cease? I've never claimed to be perfect, and I
> certainly don't expect perfection from Rory (or anybody else) here, so
> I'm not one to brow-beat him for a minor little f*ck-up. Buy why, pray
> tell, am I not afforded the same courtesy? It seems that all I have to
> do is frickin' BREATHE and Rory goes out of his way to fire off an
> insult. It's a good thing I don't have a taste for "free-range rude,"
> like Hannibal Lecter. There's more than enough of it to go around
> here.
>
> [c.] Quintus vs. Quentin. Evidently, I'm not the only one who thinks
> the name is "Quentin": whoever is responsible for the subtitling on
> the DVD has Momma Chimp saying, "Come on, Quentin." Mind you, the
> subtitlers of these APES DVDs aren't always 100% correct (the "Aldo"
> chimp beaten up by the police in CONQUEST is given the name "Otto" by
> the subtitler, for instance), and so I for one wouldn't consider the
> name "Quentin" to be 'canon'. If it sounds like "Quintus" to others,
> then FINE. I don't give a rodent's gluteus one way or the other. To
> ME, it sounds like "Quentin"--and rest assured that I wasn't the one
> hired to do the subtitling on the PLANET DVD, so at least ONE other
> person hears the name the same way I do.
>
> [d.] I never said that the difference in the "look" of the Huston
> "Lawgiver" and the Lawgiver statue meant that they "can't" be the
> same. It was on purely chronological grounds that I concluded that
> (i.e. 2670 A.D. [BATTLE] vs. c. 3955/3978 minus 1,200 years [PLANET],
> or c. 2755/2778 A.D.: about a century later). What I DID say was that
> I wondered why the make-up guys who did up John Huston--who COULD have
> made him look like the Statue from PLANET/BENEATH, yet DID'NT--did not
> try to match the look, IF, that is (as "non-circular timeline"
> proponents claim) this is supposed to be the same guy, albeit in a
> "changed lane" of Time. I brought up relevant religious iconography
> (the Sphinx vs. Khephren's statue, depictions of Jesus' face in
> relation to the Turin shroud, etc.) because a statuary depiction of
> "the greatest ape of all" would not be done lightly, given that the
> ape culture is religiously authoritarian. Rory & James don't seem to
> give a shit about my speculations regarding this (and I'm not saying
> they SHOULD, mind you), in spite of my courteous suggestion that
> James--who I know has the capability--do something I'm not
> technologically equipped to do: post side-by-side pics of the Lawgiver
> Statue and John Huston IN HIS APE MAKE-UP on this site. I asked him
> nicely, but he had to be a prick about it and posted a pic of John
> Huston sans make-up, in a piss-poor attempt at humor (at my expense,
> of course). I'm not the one here who needs an enema.
>
> [e.] A different actor may have played Frankenstein's monster, but
> they used the same "flat-head/bolts-in-the-neck" make-up, didn't they?
> Remember when David Watson played Cornelius in BENEATH? He mentioned
> in an interview (I think it was in APESFAN #2) that some people didn't
> even notice that it wasn't Roddy playing the part, since David's voice
> and mannerisms--AND THE MAKE-UPS--helped him to portray the same
> character.
>
> You're as welcome, Rory, as an ass-rash,
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Here's a question I haven't heard brought up: what's the deal with the Authenticator in "Conquest"? Any theories on how it works? Kind of like a lie detector but it actually makes people blurt out the truth. We should create a little "Authenticator" game like "Truth or Dare". Authenticator or Dare? Etc. - - - Jeff

>>>Remember the Resonator in "From Beyond"

That's one of my favorite B movies ever! Actually I'm a big fan of any movie with that actor in it. (Jeffrey Combs) He's one of the best B movie actors out there. Up there with Bruce Cambell. I'm also a big fan of H.P. Lovecraft and his works. (Some of the movies this guy was in was based on his work.) And before anyone here says it, yes I know I have bad taste in movies. This may explain why I liked POTA 2001 so much. ;o)

In case anyone is interested, info on this actor, and the movies he's been in, is available here:

http://us.imdb.com/Name?Combs,+Jeffrey

Info on H.P. Lovecraft here:

http://www.hplovecraft.com/

Thy

P.S. As for how the Authenticator works, my guess would be that it prevents the brain from using its creative functions. By projecting some sort of electro magnetic field that blocks that part of the brain, the person that is subjected to this field can't think up a lie and the truth is all that comes out. How the device could force the person to speak, hmmm, could be that while it prevents you from telling a lie, at the same time, it stimulates the brains speech center to force the truth out of you. But who's to say really. I'm just talkin out my ass here...

 patrickmichaeltilton wrote:

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   Here's a question I haven't heard brought up: what's the deal with the Authenticator in "Conquest"? Any theories on how it works? Kind of like a lie detector but it actually makes people blurt out the truth. We should create a little "Authenticator" game like "Truth or Dare". Authenticator or Dare? Etc.  - - - Jeff

*** Hi, Jeff. Great question and, since you asked, here's my theory on
how it might work.
In Isaac Asimov's novel "NEMESIS", the first journey via hyperdrive is
to an unseen star nearer to Sol than Alpha Centauri (a dwarf star
hidden behind an interstellar dust cloud); the ship has on board a
device which is able to detect the radiation-emission signatures of
cognitive lifeforms, which facilitates their attempt to find WHERE in
that alien system thinking lifeforms might be; that way, they won't
have to bother with investigating barren worlds, etc.
Perhaps the Authenticator works on a similar principle: it absorbs the
brainwave patterns of the guy in the chair, and a computer program
studies those brainwave patterns in order to detect the "signature" of
either Sincerity or Falsehood (or Fear, or Exhilaration, etc.). When
an interviewee attempts to tell a lie, his/her brainwaves give him/her
away, and the machine exerts some sort of bio-feedback, projecting a
waveform back into the person's mind, using that imposed waveform to
create a 'Sincerity' brainwave in the subject. As Kolp says, it "makes
people tell the truth". Perhaps infrasonic waves are projected into
the subject's skull, pin-pointing the part of the brain where "the
Will to Lie" is at and upsetting it with unsettling vibrations. I'm
reminded of something I read in a book about Nicola Tesla: when his
friend Samuel Clemens visited his Manhattan workshop, he sat down on a
chair that was designed to pulse with therapeutic vibrations. After a
minute or so, Sam had to use the bathroom like never before
(evidently, the vibrations--absorbed into his buttocks--served as a
most effective cure for constipation). When the Authenticator's
cylinder descends from the ceiling, perhaps it creates the necessary
vibrations into the subject's brain to force him/her to want to tell
the truth, by preparing a "way out" (via "truth-telling") from the
unsettling vibes.
Evidently, what the Authenticator does electronically, the "Fat Man"
in BENEATH is able to do telepathically. When Brent tries to tell a
lie, Victor Buono pounces on him: "You're lying!" How does he know?
Evidently, the Mutants not only can read minds, but they can detect an
attempt to convey false information; maybe a lie "tastes" sour in
their minds, and the Truth "tastes" pleasant, to put it
metaphorically.
Perhaps periodic exposure to the Authenticator was what instigated the
emergent telepathy of the Mutants in the first place. Maybe the
vibratory intrusions of the Authenticator exercised parts of the brain
that would have remained latent indefinitely... but, when exercised,
resulted in the emergence of a new mode of sense perception.
Just a few speculations, Jeff... what do you think? Not necessarily
about my speculations; what are your theories? I, for one, would like
to know.

Patrick

P.S. Remember the Resonator in "From Beyond" (a great B-flick, by the

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:21 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: What does the Authenticator do?


> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Here's a question I haven't heard brought up: what's the deal with the
Authenticator in "Conquest"? Any theories on how it works? Kind of like a
lie detector but it actually makes people blurt out the truth. We should
create a little "Authenticator" game like "Truth or Dare". Authenticator or
Dare? Etc. - - - Jeff
>
> *** Hi, Jeff. Great question and, since you asked, here's my theory on
> how it might work.
> In Isaac Asimov's novel "NEMESIS", the first journey via hyperdrive is
> to an unseen star nearer to Sol than Alpha Centauri (a dwarf star
> hidden behind an interstellar dust cloud); the ship has on board a
> device which is able to detect the radiation-emission signatures of
> cognitive lifeforms, which facilitates their attempt to find WHERE in
> that alien system thinking lifeforms might be; that way, they won't
> have to bother with investigating barren worlds, etc.
> Perhaps the Authenticator works on a similar principle: it absorbs the
> brainwave patterns of the guy in the chair, and a computer program
> studies those brainwave patterns in order to detect the "signature" of
> either Sincerity or Falsehood (or Fear, or Exhilaration, etc.). When
> an interviewee attempts to tell a lie, his/her brainwaves give him/her
> away, and the machine exerts some sort of bio-feedback, projecting a
> waveform back into the person's mind, using that imposed waveform to
> create a 'Sincerity' brainwave in the subject. As Kolp says, it "makes
> people tell the truth". Perhaps infrasonic waves are projected into
> the subject's skull, pin-pointing the part of the brain where "the
> Will to Lie" is at and upsetting it with unsettling vibrations. I'm
> reminded of something I read in a book about Nicola Tesla: when his
> friend Samuel Clemens visited his Manhattan workshop, he sat down on a
> chair that was designed to pulse with therapeutic vibrations. After a
> minute or so, Sam had to use the bathroom like never before
> (evidently, the vibrations--absorbed into his buttocks--served as a
> most effective cure for constipation). When the Authenticator's
> cylinder descends from the ceiling, perhaps it creates the necessary
> vibrations into the subject's brain to force him/her to want to tell
> the truth, by preparing a "way out" (via "truth-telling") from the
> unsettling vibes.
> Evidently, what the Authenticator does electronically, the "Fat Man"
> in BENEATH is able to do telepathically. When Brent tries to tell a
> lie, Victor Buono pounces on him: "You're lying!" How does he know?
> Evidently, the Mutants not only can read minds, but they can detect an
> attempt to convey false information; maybe a lie "tastes" sour in
> their minds, and the Truth "tastes" pleasant, to put it
> metaphorically.
> Perhaps periodic exposure to the Authenticator was what instigated the
> emergent telepathy of the Mutants in the first place. Maybe the
> vibratory intrusions of the Authenticator exercised parts of the brain
> that would have remained latent indefinitely... but, when exercised,
> resulted in the emergence of a new mode of sense perception.
> Just a few speculations, Jeff... what do you think? Not necessarily
> about my speculations; what are your theories? I, for one, would like
> to know.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. Remember the Resonator in "From Beyond" (a great B-flick, by the
> guys who made "The Re-Animator")? It worked by using a tuning fork to
> stimulate the pineal gland, with most interesting effects...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2002 23:11
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: What does the Authenticator do?
>
>
> Thanks for your input, Patrick. I'm always interested in other sci-fi
> stories with similar themes. That's one story element I have no
> theories on,
> except that it's obviously based on the lie-detector test. I never thought
> about it a a forerunner of the mutant telepathy. Even though
> there wouldn't
> be a connection if it's a non-circular chronology, it's still a
> fun idea to
> play with. Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:21 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: What does the Authenticator do?
>
>
> > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > Here's a question I haven't heard brought up: what's the
> deal with the
> Authenticator in "Conquest"? Any theories on how it works? Kind of like a
> lie detector but it actually makes people blurt out the truth. We should
> create a little "Authenticator" game like "Truth or Dare".
> Authenticator or
> Dare? Etc. - - - Jeff
> >
> > *** Hi, Jeff. Great question and, since you asked, here's my theory on
> > how it might work.
> > In Isaac Asimov's novel "NEMESIS", the first journey via hyperdrive is
> > to an unseen star nearer to Sol than Alpha Centauri (a dwarf star
> > hidden behind an interstellar dust cloud); the ship has on board a
> > device which is able to detect the radiation-emission signatures of
> > cognitive lifeforms, which facilitates their attempt to find WHERE in
> > that alien system thinking lifeforms might be; that way, they won't
> > have to bother with investigating barren worlds, etc.
> > Perhaps the Authenticator works on a similar principle: it absorbs the
> > brainwave patterns of the guy in the chair, and a computer program
> > studies those brainwave patterns in order to detect the "signature" of
> > either Sincerity or Falsehood (or Fear, or Exhilaration, etc.). When
> > an interviewee attempts to tell a lie, his/her brainwaves give him/her
> > away, and the machine exerts some sort of bio-feedback, projecting a
> > waveform back into the person's mind, using that imposed waveform to
> > create a 'Sincerity' brainwave in the subject. As Kolp says, it "makes
> > people tell the truth". Perhaps infrasonic waves are projected into
> > the subject's skull, pin-pointing the part of the brain where "the
> > Will to Lie" is at and upsetting it with unsettling vibrations. I'm
> > reminded of something I read in a book about Nicola Tesla: when his
> > friend Samuel Clemens visited his Manhattan workshop, he sat down on a
> > chair that was designed to pulse with therapeutic vibrations. After a
> > minute or so, Sam had to use the bathroom like never before
> > (evidently, the vibrations--absorbed into his buttocks--served as a
> > most effective cure for constipation). When the Authenticator's
> > cylinder descends from the ceiling, perhaps it creates the necessary
> > vibrations into the subject's brain to force him/her to want to tell
> > the truth, by preparing a "way out" (via "truth-telling") from the
> > unsettling vibes.
> > Evidently, what the Authenticator does electronically, the "Fat Man"
> > in BENEATH is able to do telepathically. When Brent tries to tell a
> > lie, Victor Buono pounces on him: "You're lying!" How does he know?
> > Evidently, the Mutants not only can read minds, but they can detect an
> > attempt to convey false information; maybe a lie "tastes" sour in
> > their minds, and the Truth "tastes" pleasant, to put it
> > metaphorically.
> > Perhaps periodic exposure to the Authenticator was what instigated the
> > emergent telepathy of the Mutants in the first place. Maybe the
> > vibratory intrusions of the Authenticator exercised parts of the brain
> > that would have remained latent indefinitely... but, when exercised,
> > resulted in the emergence of a new mode of sense perception.
> > Just a few speculations, Jeff... what do you think? Not necessarily
> > about my speculations; what are your theories? I, for one, would like
> > to know.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > P.S. Remember the Resonator in "From Beyond" (a great B-flick, by the
> > guys who made "The Re-Animator")? It worked by using a tuning fork to
> > stimulate the pineal gland, with most interesting effects...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Here's a question I haven't heard brought up: what's the deal
with the
> Authenticator in "Conquest"? Any theories on how it works? Kind of
like a
> lie detector but it actually makes people blurt out the truth. We
should
> create a little "Authenticator" game like "Truth or Dare".
Authenticator or
> Dare? Etc. - - - Jeff

--- In pota@y..., "comicguy47" <comicguy47@a...> wrote:
> I'm new to this group as of this week. My name is Steve
> aka...comicguy. I live in Rhode Island with my wife and 3 cats ! I
am
> soon to be 37 years old so I am from the age of the Apes ! I have
been
> in love with POTA since I first saw that crash landing and corn
field
> in or around 1973. I'm also a big fan of other Horror / Sci-Fi /
> Monster & Fantasy films. I collect comics and Monster magazines
and
> have around 15 to 20,000 ! I have some ape stuff, mostly comics,
mags
> ,books posters and action figures. ( I want LOTS more ! ) I also
have
> a very nice collection of vintage 60's & 70's GI Joe's. I have
TONS of
> price and collector guides on old comics, toys, Magazines, GI
Joe's,
> coins, cards, military and movies. So if any of you guys need some
> info just ask and I will try to help !
>
> That's it for now-regards : comicguy !
>
> PS Long live the Apes !

----- Original Message -----
From: "comicguy47" <comicguy47@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hello all !


> I'm new to this group as of this week. My name is Steve
> aka...comicguy. I live in Rhode Island with my wife and 3 cats ! I am
> soon to be 37 years old so I am from the age of the Apes ! I have been
> in love with POTA since I first saw that crash landing and corn field
> in or around 1973. I'm also a big fan of other Horror / Sci-Fi /
> Monster & Fantasy films. I collect comics and Monster magazines and
> have around 15 to 20,000 ! I have some ape stuff, mostly comics, mags
> ,books posters and action figures. ( I want LOTS more ! ) I also have
> a very nice collection of vintage 60's & 70's GI Joe's. I have TONS of
> price and collector guides on old comics, toys, Magazines, GI Joe's,
> coins, cards, military and movies. So if any of you guys need some
> info just ask and I will try to help !
>
> That's it for now-regards : comicguy !
>
> PS Long live the Apes !
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 06:39 PM, Ken and Heather Taylor wrote:

> Hi Steve, welcome to the group.
> You mention that you collect GI Joes, do you collect Megos? I've just
> uncovered my collection while digging around in storage and have
> consequently 'gotten into them' again. I've had some of them since I
> was a
> kid. Even Mr Whitty contributed to my collection. I know this is off
> topic,
> but anyone else on this group into Mego's..other than the POTA ones
> ( which
> seem to be the most commonly available)?
> KEN

> I have about 500 Mego figures, plus playsets, vehicles, etc. My
> collection started with my desire to replace my childhood apes.
>
> Are you familiar with the Mego Museum?
>
> On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 06:39 PM, Ken and Heather Taylor

>
> > Hi Steve, welcome to the group.
> > You mention that you collect GI Joes, do you collect Megos? I've

> > uncovered my collection while digging around in storage and have
> > consequently 'gotten into them' again. I've had some of them since

> > was a
> > kid. Even Mr Whitty contributed to my collection. I know this is

> > topic,
> > but anyone else on this group into Mego's..other than the POTA

> > ( which
> > seem to be the most commonly available)?
> > KEN

On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 07:56 PM, Haristas@... wrote:

> 500 Mego figures? That figures.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Yeah, and it makes you run through a plate glass window and cut
yourself and
> fall several stories, so you dream for years that you're on an
island with an
> angry French midget, then you talk and talk about some car's
leather
> interior, then you're in a wheelchair and making SPY KID movies,
and all the
> while the rug never moves. Bizarre dude.

> In a message dated 8/22/02 5:56:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> > I'm still a bit concerned that the aliens didn't even bother to

> > steak
> > knife, but I guess they were just arrogant....
>
> What? Speak! Go on, speak again.
>
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 2:50 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] CIRCULAR?...Plus "Signs" (OT) - Spoilers


> Non-circular does not necessarily mean mutants won't
eventuate....actually,
> many events may pan out in exactly the same way, but some should differ.
>
> Speaking of fun ideas.....I saw "Signs" last night and thoroughly enjoyed
> it! Good to have an old-fashioned alien invasion movie back on the scene!
> I'm still a bit concerned that the aliens didn't even bother to pack a
steak
> knife, but I guess they were just arrogant....
>
> Michael
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2002 23:11
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: What does the Authenticator do?
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your input, Patrick. I'm always interested in other sci-fi
> > stories with similar themes. That's one story element I have no
> > theories on,
> > except that it's obviously based on the lie-detector test. I never
thought
> > about it a a forerunner of the mutant telepathy. Even though
> > there wouldn't
> > be a connection if it's a non-circular chronology, it's still a
> > fun idea to
> > play with. Etc. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:21 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: What does the Authenticator do?
> >
> >
> > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > > Here's a question I haven't heard brought up: what's the
> > deal with the
> > Authenticator in "Conquest"? Any theories on how it works? Kind of like
a
> > lie detector but it actually makes people blurt out the truth. We should
> > create a little "Authenticator" game like "Truth or Dare".
> > Authenticator or
> > Dare? Etc. - - - Jeff
> > >
> > > *** Hi, Jeff. Great question and, since you asked, here's my theory on
> > > how it might work.
> > > In Isaac Asimov's novel "NEMESIS", the first journey via hyperdrive is
> > > to an unseen star nearer to Sol than Alpha Centauri (a dwarf star
> > > hidden behind an interstellar dust cloud); the ship has on board a
> > > device which is able to detect the radiation-emission signatures of
> > > cognitive lifeforms, which facilitates their attempt to find WHERE in
> > > that alien system thinking lifeforms might be; that way, they won't
> > > have to bother with investigating barren worlds, etc.
> > > Perhaps the Authenticator works on a similar principle: it absorbs the
> > > brainwave patterns of the guy in the chair, and a computer program
> > > studies those brainwave patterns in order to detect the "signature" of
> > > either Sincerity or Falsehood (or Fear, or Exhilaration, etc.). When
> > > an interviewee attempts to tell a lie, his/her brainwaves give him/her
> > > away, and the machine exerts some sort of bio-feedback, projecting a
> > > waveform back into the person's mind, using that imposed waveform to
> > > create a 'Sincerity' brainwave in the subject. As Kolp says, it "makes
> > > people tell the truth". Perhaps infrasonic waves are projected into
> > > the subject's skull, pin-pointing the part of the brain where "the
> > > Will to Lie" is at and upsetting it with unsettling vibrations. I'm
> > > reminded of something I read in a book about Nicola Tesla: when his
> > > friend Samuel Clemens visited his Manhattan workshop, he sat down on a
> > > chair that was designed to pulse with therapeutic vibrations. After a
> > > minute or so, Sam had to use the bathroom like never before
> > > (evidently, the vibrations--absorbed into his buttocks--served as a
> > > most effective cure for constipation). When the Authenticator's
> > > cylinder descends from the ceiling, perhaps it creates the necessary
> > > vibrations into the subject's brain to force him/her to want to tell
> > > the truth, by preparing a "way out" (via "truth-telling") from the
> > > unsettling vibes.
> > > Evidently, what the Authenticator does electronically, the "Fat Man"
> > > in BENEATH is able to do telepathically. When Brent tries to tell a
> > > lie, Victor Buono pounces on him: "You're lying!" How does he know?
> > > Evidently, the Mutants not only can read minds, but they can detect an
> > > attempt to convey false information; maybe a lie "tastes" sour in
> > > their minds, and the Truth "tastes" pleasant, to put it
> > > metaphorically.
> > > Perhaps periodic exposure to the Authenticator was what instigated the
> > > emergent telepathy of the Mutants in the first place. Maybe the
> > > vibratory intrusions of the Authenticator exercised parts of the brain
> > > that would have remained latent indefinitely... but, when exercised,
> > > resulted in the emergence of a new mode of sense perception.
> > > Just a few speculations, Jeff... what do you think? Not necessarily
> > > about my speculations; what are your theories? I, for one, would like
> > > to know.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > P.S. Remember the Resonator in "From Beyond" (a great B-flick, by the
> > > guys who made "The Re-Animator")? It worked by using a tuning fork to
> > > stimulate the pineal gland, with most interesting effects...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "comicguy47" <comicguy47@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:16 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hello all !


> I'm new to this group as of this week. My name is Steve
> aka...comicguy. I live in Rhode Island with my wife and 3 cats ! I am
> soon to be 37 years old so I am from the age of the Apes ! I have been
> in love with POTA since I first saw that crash landing and corn field
> in or around 1973. I'm also a big fan of other Horror / Sci-Fi /
> Monster & Fantasy films. I collect comics and Monster magazines and
> have around 15 to 20,000 ! I have some ape stuff, mostly comics, mags
> ,books posters and action figures. ( I want LOTS more ! ) I also have
> a very nice collection of vintage 60's & 70's GI Joe's. I have TONS of
> price and collector guides on old comics, toys, Magazines, GI Joe's,
> coins, cards, military and movies. So if any of you guys need some
> info just ask and I will try to help !
>
> That's it for now-regards : comicguy !
>
> PS Long live the Apes !
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:47 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: What does the Authenticator do?


> I always thought it was some kind of psycho-electric device that
> suppresses the area of the brain that allows you to lie. Either that
> or the light is so bright and hot that it melts the glue on your
> toupee.
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Here's a question I haven't heard brought up: what's the deal
> with the
> > Authenticator in "Conquest"? Any theories on how it works? Kind of
> like a
> > lie detector but it actually makes people blurt out the truth. We
> should
> > create a little "Authenticator" game like "Truth or Dare".
> Authenticator or
> > Dare? Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello all !


> Hi Steve, welcome to the group.
> You mention that you collect GI Joes, do you collect Megos? I've just
> uncovered my collection while digging around in storage and have
> consequently 'gotten into them' again. I've had some of them since I was a
> kid. Even Mr Whitty contributed to my collection. I know this is off
topic,
> but anyone else on this group into Mego's..other than the POTA ones (
which
> seem to be the most commonly available)?
> KEN
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "comicguy47" <comicguy47@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 8:16 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hello all !
>
>
> > I'm new to this group as of this week. My name is Steve
> > aka...comicguy. I live in Rhode Island with my wife and 3 cats ! I am
> > soon to be 37 years old so I am from the age of the Apes ! I have been
> > in love with POTA since I first saw that crash landing and corn field
> > in or around 1973. I'm also a big fan of other Horror / Sci-Fi /
> > Monster & Fantasy films. I collect comics and Monster magazines and
> > have around 15 to 20,000 ! I have some ape stuff, mostly comics, mags
> > ,books posters and action figures. ( I want LOTS more ! ) I also have
> > a very nice collection of vintage 60's & 70's GI Joe's. I have TONS of
> > price and collector guides on old comics, toys, Magazines, GI Joe's,
> > coins, cards, military and movies. So if any of you guys need some
> > info just ask and I will try to help !
> >
> > That's it for now-regards : comicguy !
> >
> > PS Long live the Apes !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello all !


> I have about 500 Mego figures, plus playsets, vehicles, etc. My
> collection started with my desire to replace my childhood apes.
>
> Are you familiar with the Mego Museum?
>
> On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 06:39 PM, Ken and Heather Taylor wrote:
>
> > Hi Steve, welcome to the group.
> > You mention that you collect GI Joes, do you collect Megos? I've just
> > uncovered my collection while digging around in storage and have
> > consequently 'gotten into them' again. I've had some of them since I
> > was a
> > kid. Even Mr Whitty contributed to my collection. I know this is off
> > topic,
> > but anyone else on this group into Mego's..other than the POTA ones
> > ( which
> > seem to be the most commonly available)?
> > KEN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello all !

In a message dated 8/22/02 6:18:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, comicguy47@... writes:

I'm new to this group as of this week. My name is Steve
aka...comicguy. I live in Rhode Island with my wife and 3 cats ! I am
soon to be 37 years old so I am from the age of the Apes ! I have been  
in love with POTA since I first saw that crash landing and corn field
in or around 1973. I'm also a big fan of other Horror / Sci-Fi /
Monster & Fantasy films. I collect comics and Monster magazines and
have around 15 to 20,000 !  I have some ape stuff, mostly comics, mags
,books posters and action figures. ( I want LOTS more ! ) I also have
a very nice collection of vintage 60's & 70's GI Joe's. I have TONS of
price and collector guides on old comics, toys, Magazines, GI Joe's,
coins, cards, military and movies. So if any of you guys need some
info just ask and I will try to help ! 

             That's it for now-regards : comicguy !

Hi Steve, welcome to the group.  You sound like just the right kind of guy for this group of Peter Pans.  What does your wife think of your collection?  What about the cats? (Oh yeah, they can't talk, not yet anyway.)  What are your favorite genre movies?  Besides APES, I also like the classic Universal monster movies, and SF films like WAR OF THE WORLDS, THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, FORBIDDEN PLANET on up to 2001, but you can really keep that STAR WARS stuff.  Don't know what it is people see in BLADE RUNNER.  I liked the remake of THE THING, but not THE FLY.  ALIEN and ALIENS were good, but the other two, forget it.  What posters you got?  POTA 2001 was really bad, in fact in SUCKED BIG TIME!

Finally, do you collect DVDs?  If not -- what are you waiting for?

Have you heard Nick Cage is selling his comic collection?

(Any discussion of anything other than POTA is to be preceded by (OT) [for Off Topic] otherwise there are some in this group who have hissy fits.  I could care less.  Also, if you can put pictures in your posts, like this. . . .
                                      
please do.

-- Rory

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:30 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "Signs" (OT) - Spoilers


> OK - I know they explained in the movie why the Aliens did not just
> zap humans FROM THE SKY (ie ould have led to nuclear attack/rendering
> the planet as useless).
>
> But why didn't the aliens have rifles...or knives...or SOMETHING for
> hand to hand combat?
>
> Why did they have no weapons at all? Are we to assume that they were
> so arrogant that they believed all they would need is their gas/spike
> to defeat the earth?
>
> I'm sure there will be a sequel.
>
> Like "Planet", there are many interesting, unanswered questions.
> Hope they do it right if they choose to do a sequel (unlike
> many "Planet" sequels).
>
> Michael
>
> --- Haristas@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 8/22/02 5:56:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > whitty@... writes:
> >
> > > I'm still a bit concerned that the aliens didn't even bother to
> pack a
> > > steak
> > > knife, but I guess they were just arrogant....
> >
> > What? Speak! Go on, speak again.
> >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>From: Haristas@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Topps Planet of the Apes cards
>Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:51:50 EDT
>
>Hey, I just found this site. Never knew of it before. Anybody else here
>got
>some of these or a complete set? (The info is wrong, though, the set was
>actually issued in April 1968.
>
>
>With the July 27th unleashing of 20th Century Fox's all new Planet Of The
>Apes Movie, Topps is proud to announce that our all new Planet Of The Apes
>Card Set will be in stores by mid July. Our May Flashback Page takes a
>simultaneous look back at our 1969 Planet Of The Apes Card Set while also
>looking forward to our new Planet Of The Apes Card Set.
>
>Our 44-card Planet Of The Apes Card Set, issued in 1969, was based on the
>classic 1968 movie. In a Darwinian role reversal, Astronaut George Taylor
>(Charlton Heston) lands on a planet where Apes are the ruling class, and
>humans are the harshly-treated, lower primates. Taylor befriends Nova
>(Linda
>Harrison) and is aided by Ape Doctors Zira and Cornelius to escape to "The
>Forbidden Zone".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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> <A
>HREF="http://www.topps.com/Entertainment/Flashback/Apes/apes.htmlquot;>Click
>here: Topps Entertainment | Flashback | Planet of the Apes</A>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:00 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Jeff Corey: 1914 - 2002

In a message dated 8/22/02 9:45:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Did this already come up? I don't think so. Mr. Corey died last week. It
was on the cover of the casting mag "Back Stage Pass". He played Caspay, the
mutant that looked like John Lennon, in "Beneath". I got to meet him at
"StarCon '98. - - Jeff

No man, this is the first I'm hearing of it.  Damn!  Another one gone.  I was just watching him today in a Randolph Scott Western on AMC.
You others here into the Universal Monsters might be interested to know that one of the connections between the POTA series and the FRANKENSTEIN series is that Jeff Corey is the Crypt Keeper in FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLFMAN.  He has the line, with a fake Cockney accent, "The door, it's broken from inside."

Well, that's too bad.  He was one of the great character actors.  He was blacklisted in the Fifties.  Who was it told me that Natalie Trundy said he had B.O.?

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:00 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Jeff Corey: 1914 - 2002

In a message dated 8/22/02 9:45:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Did this already come up? I don't think so. Mr. Corey died last week. It
was on the cover of the casting mag "Back Stage Pass". He played Caspay, the
mutant that looked like John Lennon, in "Beneath". I got to meet him at
"StarCon '98. - - Jeff

No man, this is the first I'm hearing of it.  Damn!  Another one gone.  I was just watching him today in a Randolph Scott Western on AMC.
You others here into the Universal Monsters might be interested to know that one of the connections between the POTA series and the FRANKENSTEIN series is that Jeff Corey is the Crypt Keeper in FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLFMAN.  He has the line, with a fake Cockney accent, "The door, it's broken from inside."

Well, that's too bad.  He was one of the great character actors.  He was blacklisted in the Fifties.  Who was it told me that Natalie Trundy said he had B.O.?

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 8:22 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Video specs

  I popped over to www.planetoftheapesonline.com and someone mentioned a link that lists the specs for the Region 1 and 2 DVDs and the differences between the uncut "Battle" and the release version. Some might be interested. www.dvdscan.com/planet.html"#   - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:00 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Jeff Corey: 1914 - 2002

In a message dated 8/22/02 9:45:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Did this already come up? I don't think so. Mr. Corey died last week. It
was on the cover of the casting mag "Back Stage Pass". He played Caspay, the
mutant that looked like John Lennon, in "Beneath". I got to meet him at
"StarCon '98. - - Jeff

No man, this is the first I'm hearing of it.  Damn!  Another one gone.  I was just watching him today in a Randolph Scott Western on AMC.
You others here into the Universal Monsters might be interested to know that one of the connections between the POTA series and the FRANKENSTEIN series is that Jeff Corey is the Crypt Keeper in FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLFMAN.  He has the line, with a fake Cockney accent, "The door, it's broken from inside."

Well, that's too bad.  He was one of the great character actors.  He was blacklisted in the Fifties.  Who was it told me that Natalie Trundy said he had B.O.?

-- Rory

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Even if it prohibits you from lying, you would still have the
option of
> not speaking. It's like it forces it out of you. Etc. - - - Jeff

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/22/02 9:45:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
> >
> > Did this already come up? I don't think so. Mr. Corey died
last week. It
> > was on the cover of the casting mag "Back Stage Pass". He played
Caspay,
> > the
> > mutant that looked like John Lennon, in "Beneath". I got to meet
him at
> > "StarCon '98. - - Jeff
>
> No man, this is the first I'm hearing of it. Damn! Another one
gone. I was
> just watching him today in a Randolph Scott Western on AMC.
> You others here into the Universal Monsters might be interested to
know that
> one of the connections between the POTA series and the
FRANKENSTEIN series is
> that Jeff Corey is the Crypt Keeper in FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE
WOLFMAN. He
> has the line, with a fake Cockney accent, "The door, it's broken
from
> inside."
>
> Well, that's too bad. He was one of the great character actors.
He was
> blacklisted in the Fifties. Who was it told me that Natalie
Trundy said he
> had B.O.?
>
> -- Rory

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello all !


> I have about 500 Mego figures, plus playsets, vehicles, etc. My
> collection started with my desire to replace my childhood apes.
>
> Are you familiar with the Mego Museum?
>
> On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 06:39 PM, Ken and Heather Taylor wrote:
>
> > Hi Steve, welcome to the group.
> > You mention that you collect GI Joes, do you collect Megos? I've just
> > uncovered my collection while digging around in storage and have
> > consequently 'gotten into them' again. I've had some of them since I
> > was a
> > kid. Even Mr Whitty contributed to my collection. I know this is off
> > topic,
> > but anyone else on this group into Mego's..other than the POTA ones
> > ( which
> > seem to be the most commonly available)?
> > KEN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:25 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Topps Planet of the Apes cards

In a message dated 8/22/02 10:31:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thaderules@... writes:

I'm not sure when they were released, but I have a complete mint set. Coast
me $100 on e-bay a while back. But it was worth it.

Best.
Al

That's good.  There's a mint set on eBay right now.  The bidding is already over $100, but it is as you say worth it if you don't have a set.  Back in '68 the Topps cards, the LP, and the Tie-in paperback was all there was to collect on APES, unless you knew how to get movie posters and such.

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Video specs

In a message dated 8/22/02 11:31:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Doh! The link didn't work. Go to www.dvdscan.com

and click on "DVD Reviews", go to "P" on the right side of the screen then click on "Planet of the Apes Collection" (if you want to; this here group is a democracy, Steve!) . Etc.            - - - Jeff

Hey, this is pretty interesting.  I told you guys there's something wrong with the surround mix of the soundtrack on the PLANET DVD.  Now this actually pisses me off.  When Fox goes 5 Star Edition with APES they better bloody well remix the sound, God damn them all to hell!    Read below. . . .



This title has been reviewed 3 times by now and again we have no definitive version - but at least this time one can safely say that we are very close to it.

The 16x9 enhanced transfer is just about even with the quality with the Region 1 DVD which had not received that enhancement. But, in comparing the two I have to say that both images are excellent in resolution with the Region 1 slightly better in color as the Region 2 PAL disc has been reduced in chroma level by about 10% - why is beyond me.The too aggressively used aperture on the Region 1 NTSC master has been avoided on the PAL master which gives the picture a more steady image. Edges around objects or characters are naturally displayed. As a result the two DVD's are about equal in video quality.

The sound is another story entirely and make the R2 disc the winner: The soundtrack used on this disc is for the first time the correct mix encoded in 5.1 DD. This mix is also featured as a PCM version (non-discrete stereo surround) on the remastered US Laserdisc. Now, that LD also featured a 5.1 mix of this film and it was that mix that was used for the US Region 1 DVD. However, that mix is entirely different in quality - to make it short it has been screwed up, taking all the resolution, detail and dynamic away as well as being mixed flatly wrong. The EUROPEAN editon is, fortunatly, equipped with the correct soundtrack that is far richer in detail, having also a wide spacial field in the front for the music of Jerry Goldsmith - in the right mix. The sound is by no means perfect - but it is a defintely a better one and makes this picture the experience it is intended to be.





November 27, 2000


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