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Group: pota Message: 20413 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Poll results for pota
Group: pota Message: 20414 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Poll results for pota
Group: pota Message: 20415 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Poll results for pota
Group: pota Message: 20416 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Wonder" when it's on?
Group: pota Message: 20417 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Poll results for pota
Group: pota Message: 20418 From: Alexander Ruiz Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] [OT] So?laris
Group: pota Message: 20419 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: (OT) VHS is dead. Long Live King DVD!
Group: pota Message: 20420 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Poll results for pota
Group: pota Message: 20421 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: (OT) More DVD news
Group: pota Message: 20422 From: MTotsky@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) More DVD news
Group: pota Message: 20423 From: MTotsky@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Simpsons 2003 Calendar
Group: pota Message: 20424 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: (OT)Check out DVD LINKS
Group: pota Message: 20425 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: (OT) Cartoons
Group: pota Message: 20426 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Interesting petition
Group: pota Message: 20427 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: (OT)Check out Top 250 films
Group: pota Message: 20428 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Interesting petition
Group: pota Message: 20429 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) More DVD news
Group: pota Message: 20430 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20431 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Interesting petition
Group: pota Message: 20432 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) More DVD news
Group: pota Message: 20433 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT)Check out Top 250 films
Group: pota Message: 20434 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kong
Group: pota Message: 20435 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT)Check out Top 250 films
Group: pota Message: 20436 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20437 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) More DVD news
Group: pota Message: 20438 From: james611102 Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Poll results for pota
Group: pota Message: 20439 From: james611102 Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20440 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20441 From: james611102 Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20442 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20443 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20444 From: whitty@cyberone.com.au Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Simpsons 2003 Calendar
Group: pota Message: 20445 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Simpsons 2003 Calendar
Group: pota Message: 20446 From: thypentacle Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) VHS is dead. Long Live King DVD!
Group: pota Message: 20447 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) VHS is dead. Long Live King DVD!
Group: pota Message: 20448 From: thypentacle Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT)Check out Top 250 films
Group: pota Message: 20449 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20450 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] [OT] So?laris
Group: pota Message: 20451 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20452 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Simpsons 2003 Calendar
Group: pota Message: 20453 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT)Check out Top 250 films
Group: pota Message: 20454 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20455 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Interesting petition
Group: pota Message: 20456 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20457 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20458 From: MTotsky@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Simpsons 2003 Calendar
Group: pota Message: 20459 From: whitty@cyberone.com.au Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Simpsons 2003 Calendar
Group: pota Message: 20460 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
Group: pota Message: 20461 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Interesting petition
Group: pota Message: 20462 From: Alexander Ruiz Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] [OT] So?laris
Group: pota Message: 20463 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Simpsons 2003 Calendar
Group: pota Message: 20464 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/28/2002
Subject: (OT) R.I.P.
Group: pota Message: 20465 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/28/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) R.I.P.
Group: pota Message: 20466 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/28/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Interesting petition
Group: pota Message: 20467 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/28/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Wonder" when it's on?
Group: pota Message: 20468 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/28/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Wonder" when it's on?
Group: pota Message: 20469 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/28/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Wonder" when it's on?
Group: pota Message: 20470 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/28/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Wonder" when it's on?
Group: pota Message: 20471 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/28/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Wonder" when it's on?
Group: pota Message: 20472 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Wonder" when it's on?
Group: pota Message: 20473 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: DiCrapio
Group: pota Message: 20474 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Wonder" when it's on?
Group: pota Message: 20475 From: Michael Whitty Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: Gorilla Costume
Group: pota Message: 20476 From: Michael Whitty Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: Gold Key Comic
Group: pota Message: 20477 From: james611102 Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: Re: Gold Key Comic
Group: pota Message: 20478 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Gold Key Comic
Group: pota Message: 20479 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Gorilla Costume
Group: pota Message: 20480 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: (OT) Long live DVD?
Group: pota Message: 20481 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: A good idea
Group: pota Message: 20482 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Wonder" when it's on?
Group: pota Message: 20483 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Gold Key Comic
Group: pota Message: 20484 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Gorilla Costume
Group: pota Message: 20485 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Gorilla Costume
Group: pota Message: 20486 From: Melkor Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: POTA downloads
Group: pota Message: 20487 From: whitty@cyberone.com.au Date: 8/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Gold Key Comic
Group: pota Message: 20488 From: MTotsky@aol.com Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Gold Key Comic
Group: pota Message: 20489 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Burton on Broadway
Group: pota Message: 20490 From: Alexander Ruiz Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Burnin up a batch
Group: pota Message: 20491 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New "Pulp Fiction" DVD (OT)
Group: pota Message: 20492 From: Michael Whitty Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Gold Key Comic
Group: pota Message: 20493 From: Michael Whitty Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Gorilla Costume
Group: pota Message: 20494 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Gold Key Comic
Group: pota Message: 20495 From: Michael Whitty Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: POTA Collectibles
Group: pota Message: 20496 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Cool cards
Group: pota Message: 20497 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Check out eBay item 1559065939 (Ends Sep-03-02 19:25:25 PDT ) - Pl
Group: pota Message: 20498 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: PLANET window card
Group: pota Message: 20499 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] PLANET window card
Group: pota Message: 20500 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Burton on Broadway
Group: pota Message: 20501 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Collectibles
Group: pota Message: 20502 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Cool cards
Group: pota Message: 20503 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1559065939 (Ends Sep-0
Group: pota Message: 20504 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] PLANET window card
Group: pota Message: 20505 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Burton on Broadway
Group: pota Message: 20506 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/31/2002
Subject: Vid Game Manual Postponed (Again)
Group: pota Message: 20507 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 8/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "They bear out Hasslein's Hypothesis..."
Group: pota Message: 20508 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 8/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "They bear out Hasslein's Hypothesis..."
Group: pota Message: 20509 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 8/31/2002
Subject: Re: So?laris
Group: pota Message: 20510 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 8/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) More DVD news
Group: pota Message: 20511 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 8/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) R.I.P.
Group: pota Message: 20512 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "They bear out Hasslein's Hypothesis..."


Group: pota Message: 20413 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Poll results for pota
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The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Would you like to see a follow-up to
last year's "re-imagining" of Planet of
the Apes?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Yes, 1 votes, 100.00%
- No, 0 votes, 0.00%



For more information about this group, please visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota

For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/
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Group: pota Message: 20414 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Poll results for pota
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CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Yes, 1 votes, 100.00%
- No, 0 votes, 0.00%

I'll vote yes!
That makes it 200% for you math whizzes out there.
He said in his best Groucho voice.
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Group: pota Message: 20415 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Poll results for pota
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If the response is anything to go by with the number of voters, I wouldn't
be holding my breath for Alex's sequel countdown site just yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Poll results for pota


> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - Yes, 1 votes, 100.00%
> - No, 0 votes, 0.00%
>
> I'll vote yes!
> That makes it 200% for you math whizzes out there.
> He said in his best Groucho voice.
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Group: pota Message: 20416 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Wonder" when it's on?
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.htmlIn a message dated 8/27/02 12:41:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:


  I checked www.biography.com
 .The next showing of "Wonder Years" TVography (with the POTA clip) is Sept. 16. Make of it what you will. - - - Jeff



I have that episode of "The Wonder Years" on tape.  I remember the first time I saw it, it was incredible, waves of nostalgia swept over me.  It was as if I were in a time warp.  However, CONQUEST was the only POTA film I saw at a Drive-In.

-- Rory<.html
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Group: pota Message: 20417 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Poll results for pota
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.htmlIn a message dated 8/27/02 3:31:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:


The following pota poll is now closed.  Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Would you like to see a follow-up to
last year's "re-imagining" of Planet of
the Apes?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Yes, 1 votes, 100.00% 
- No, 0 votes, 0.00% 


One person voted.  What does that tell you?   Who sets up these polls?  It seems most here don't pay any attention.  You want to know something?  Just ask it in the group.<.html
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Group: pota Message: 20418 From: Alexander Ruiz Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] [OT] So?laris
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Speaking of Solaris.
Rumors are the first full trial of Terminator 3 will be shown during the
release of Solaris. But that's Dec. 13th, man, what a bummer!

Best.
Al


>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] So?laris
>Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 06:57:27 -0700
>
> There's 2 reviews of a preview screening of Fox's next great sci-fi
>remake at www.aintitcool.com . "Solaris" is produced by James Cameron
>(finally reimagining 5 years after he was supposed to do "Apes") and
>directed by Steven Soderbergh (whose first movie he ever remembers seeing
>was the original POTA). The first review is a rave, saying it's thoughtful
>sci-fi he can't get out of his mind, the second says it's pretentious
>pseudo-sci-fi by a Kubrick wanna-be (but compares it to "Eyes Wide Shut",
>not "2001"). We shall see this November, but this is the movie I'm looking
>forward to this winter (this and "Lord of the Rings 2"; the preview on the
>DVD is awesome). - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: veetus@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
>different
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>
> Penticle-Man, you are...amazing.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: thypentacle
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
>different
>
>
> Just some simple HTML source reading to find out the direct link to
>the file. (To view source click 'View' in IE's main menu, then click
>'Source'.) Sometimes you can also get protected pics that have turned off
>right-clicking by putting your mouse pointer over the pic and pushing the
>'Menu' key on a Windows keyboard to pull up the save menu. (The menu key is
>to the right of the space bar between the 'Windows' key and the 'Ctrl'
>key.) Of course if all else fails, you can always press the print screen
>key and paste / crop the image in any image editor. So it's really
>impossible to protect any picture on the internet. Best anyone can do is
>make it slightly difficult. :o)
>
>
> Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/25/02 11:22:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>thypentacle@... writes:
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> Use this link if you want to be able to right-click and save it:
>http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/100535.1020.A.jpg
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> Thanks. You gotta tell me how you did that.
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Group: pota Message: 20419 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
Subject: (OT) VHS is dead. Long Live King DVD!
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Attachments :
    .htmlHere's an interesting article, especially for those of you who think you can keep buying VHS tapes.  WARNING:  Long article.

     Posted on Mon, Aug. 26, 2002

    DVDs poised to push aside videocassettes
    By RICK LYMAN
    The New York Times

    LOS ANGELES - Digital video discs and their players, which five years ago were not much more than the toys of gadget-lust sufferers, have now taken full wing as a true pop culture phenomenon.

    According to industry projections, Americans will spend nearly $3 billion more on DVDs this year than they did last, an increase of 50 percent. Some recent hit films, like The Fast and the Furious and Training Day, have earned more from their DVD releases than from their first-run theater engagements. And for the first time, DVD sales have surpassed those of videocassettes, even though DVD players are in only about a third of American households, compared with a saturation of more than 90 percent for videocassette players.

    In the face of this, American retailers have shown the first major signs of making a per- manent shift to DVDs from videocassettes, much as they did to CDs from vinyl albums a decade ago.

    "It is the most successful home entertainment device in history," said Warren Lieberfarb, president of Warner Home Video. "In five years, it has gone from zero to 30 million households, and a quarter of those have more than one DVD player. Nothing else has come close to doing that in such a short time, not CDs, not VCRs, not personal computers, not even television itself.

    "Early estimates in 1997 and 1998, the first years that DVDs were on the market, projected that it would take substantially longer for the new format to assert itself. But no one foresaw how quickly Hollywood studios would move to put their recent releases and extensive libraries onto the shiny new discs. By decade's end, all of them had.

    And few predicted how quickly the price of DVD players would drop. They typically cost $600 to $700 in 1997 and now go for $150 to $160, with some retailers last Christmas offering players for as little as $79.

    Tom Adams, president of Adams Media Research, a leading monitor of the entertainment industry, said that "the main, wild variable" that caused the explosion of growth was the entry of Chinese manufacturers into the DVD player market in the last two years. "That forced the Japanese to slash their prices," he said. "So we have seen both an unprecedented rate of price decrease on the hardware front and an unprecedented rate of software support in the form of movie titles being released."

    Adding to the popularity of DVDs is that many computers and gaming systems can now play them. Viewers are no longer chained to their TV sets; they can watch DVDs in the car, on the train, even at work.

    Bolstering sales further is that, unlike videocassettes, which ruled home entertainment for a generation, DVDs are much more likely to be bought than rented - sometimes purchased more than once as upgraded or expanded versions of films are released with new bells and whistles.

    A case in point is the sequential release on DVD and VHS cassette of three versions of The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. A release earlier this month will be followed in November by an expanded version, with 30 minutes of extra scenes woven in and interviews with the filmmakers, and then by a deluxe four-disc set with more features. New Line Cinema, which released the film, is counting on some DVD aficionados to buy two and perhaps all three versions, leaving it to future scholars to ponder which is the definitive version of the movie.

    The movie's sales pattern in its first days on store shelves shows how rapidly the digital format is supplant-ing old-fangled videocassettes, particularly for blockbuster films that appeal to a young male audience. While New Line estimates a sales breakdown of 65 percent DVD to 35 percent VHS - representing no small surge on the DVD front - Video Business magazine, citing sources from among the studio's unnamed competitors, estimates an even greater disparity. It projects that the film sold 5.2 million to 6.5 million copies in its first week (beginning Aug. 6), of which only a million to 1.5 million copies were VHS.

    Making this shift even more lucrative for the studios is the cost of manufacturing DVDs, which at slightly more than a dollar per disc is less than half that for a cassette.

    A movie's initial theatrical release, particularly its opening weekend, is still the event that drives the film's performance overall. A box office hit is more likely to become a pay-TV hit and a video store hit. But in terms of dollars flowing into studio coffers, home entertainment is king.

    Typically, a film's initial release accounts for only one-fifth of what it will eventually bring in, while home entertainment has been more than double that in recent years. And since the advent of DVD, the home entertainment portion has crept up to account for more than half of a movie's ultimate revenue.

    In 2001, $10.3 billion was spent in the United States to buy copies of films for home use, of which $5.4 billion, or 52 percent, went for DVDs. Adams Media Research estimates that in 2002, $12.4 billion will be spent, of which $8.1 billion, or 65 percent, will go for DVDs.

    "The initial release of the motion picture in movie theaters is becoming, to a large extent, little more than a preview trailer for the subsequent purchase of the DVD," said Martin W. Greenwald, president of Image Entertainment, which produces dozens of pop music and DVD titles for the retail market.

    Training Day, the police thriller that won Denzel Washington an Oscar, made $76.3 million in its initial theatrical release, but by the end of June had earned $86.1 million on sales and rentals of its DVD, according to the latest figures available.

    The Fast and the Furious made $144 million at the North American box office, but it had earned the same amount on DVD sales and rentals by the end of June and has continued to be a top seller and rental item since.

    The sudden dominance of DVD is transforming the rental market as well as sales: DVD rentals in the first half of 2002 were up 116 percent from the first half of 2001, while video rentals (though still a larger proportion of the rental market) declined 22 percent. Although some in the industry cling to the notion that videocassettes will persevere, most believe that they will gradually - or perhaps not so gradually - go the way of the vinyl disc and the goonie bird.

    "My guess is that within 24 months it will become very difficult to find any titles in video, other than family films," said Benjamin S. Feingold, president of Columbia Tri-Star Motion Picture Group.

    Family films are an important part of the home video industry because children, much more than adults, are eager to watch the same movies over and over, making buying them much more economical than renting.

    DVDs, which are a vast improvement in quality over cassettes and have many more features - director commentary, for instance, or alternate endings - are also changing the way that millions of Americans watch movies at home. The enhanced video and audio qualities are nudging more people toward elaborate home theater systems. The digital nature of DVD allows viewers to pop in a disc and watch only one or two favorite moments instead of a whole film, much like a favorite track on a CD, changing movie watching from a linear experience to a more interactive one.

    How these changes will affect the way the movies are made is still, largely, a subject of conjecture in Hollywood. But everyone agrees there will be inevitable changes.

    Racy or explosive scenes that may not make a PG cut for movie theaters can still be shot in hopes of placing them on DVD versions. And seldom before have filmmakers allowed such early access to behind-the-scenes documentarians, creating a vast new pool of information about how movies are made that, many hope, will have a positive effect on dwindling film literacy.

    "Directors have embraced the format so enthusiastically, much more than they ever did with VHS," Feingold said. "As a result, they're getting involved right from the beginning in the making of the extra DVD material and taking a much more hands-on approach to the DVD release. It can't help but have an impact.

    "Warner Bros., the leading studio in terms of DVD sales and rentals, estimates that the number of players in American homes increased 53 percent from mid-2001 to mid-2002. Most estimate that, by year's end, about 40 percent of American households will have them.

    Add to that personal computers with DVD drives and sophisticated game systems that can play DVDs, and more than half of American households will have the ability to watch DVDs, Adams Media Research predicts.

    "One profound impact that DVD is having is that it's re-energized people's buying behavior," said Bob Chapek, present of Buena Vista Home Entertainment, Disney's video and DVD division. "Even in the heyday of VHS, the average household bought about five videocassettes a year. Now, consumers are buying 15 DVDs per year.

    "Earlier this summer, the Circuit City electronics chain announced that it intended to stop selling videotapes to devote its shelf space to DVDs, and many experts predict that giant retailers such as Wal-Mart may soon follow suit.

    Lieberfarb, the Warner Home Video president, said, "I think we are looking at somewhere this side of five years away when videotapes will disappear from stores altogether."

                       
                         "I think if I were to travel to the Forbidden
                         City I might be able to find some old DVDs.
                         I want a copy of THE PHANTOM OF THE PARADISE
                         with that adorable Paul Williams.  I think I'll take
                         Patrick Michael Tilton with me and on the journey
                         we can discuss out theories on time and space
                         and which one of us is the more boring."
                        





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    Group: pota Message: 20420 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Poll results for pota
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    .htmlIn a message dated 8/27/2002 9:37:12 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:



    The following pota poll is now closed.  Here are the
    final results:


    POLL QUESTION: Would you like to see a follow-up to
    last year's "re-imagining" of Planet of
    the Apes?

    CHOICES AND RESULTS
    - Yes, 1 votes, 100.00%  
    - No, 0 votes, 0.00%  


    One person voted.  What does that tell you?   Who sets up these polls?  It seems most here don't pay any attention.  You want to know something?  Just ask it in the group.

    This doesn't seem right at all... I mean I am sure I voted in this "poll" and of course I voted "NO"... How my vote wasn't counted is beyond me... Where the hell is this poll taken, Florida?    <.html
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    Group: pota Message: 20421 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
    Subject: (OT) More DVD news
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    .htmlWow!  This sounds pretty cool. . . . .

    What a Glorious Feeling! 'Singin' In The Rain' Is Restored
    Warner Home Video has demonstrated a new digital process, called Ultra-Resolution, that it has used to remaster the classic Technicolor musical Singin' in the Rain     for DVD, due to be released on Sept. 24. As Video Store magazine describes the process in its online edition today (Tuesday), the process involved scanning the 443,424 separate frames of the three "master positives" of the Technicolor film. (The original Technicolor process involved using a camera that exposed three rolls of film simultaneously, producing yellow, cyan and magenta images. These were then used to print the individual frames onto celluloid stock with ink, producing the full-color film.) The digital images were then combined electronically, adjusting for aging and film shrinkage. The result, according to Richard May, Warner's chief of film preservation, are images that exceed the clarity of the original. "I don't remember ever seeing so much detail," he told the trade magazine.

    I know that Warners is doing a restoration of one of my favorite Technicolor films, THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD.  It's supposed to come out next year.  Now I really can't wait.  And another one that I wonder if Warners is working on, even though it's just black and white, is the original KING KONG.  Man, I wish they'd get that out on DVD.

    What do you think, Ken Taylor?

    -- Rory

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    Group: pota Message: 20422 From: MTotsky@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) More DVD news
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    Rory,

    Do you ever hear anything about when classic Looney Tunes are coming out on DVD? Or some of the Tex Avery MGM stuff? Where's a good place to find this info?

    Off-Topic Matt
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    Group: pota Message: 20423 From: MTotsky@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
    Subject: Simpsons 2003 Calendar
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    I was at the bookstore today and saw the Simpsons Calendar for next year. The theme is musicals from the show and one of the months features their POTA spoof. There's a cool shot of Troy McClure of Taylor in front of the Statue of Liberty and a dancing Gorilla, Zaius and Chimp Nurse.

    Matt
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    Group: pota Message: 20424 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
    Subject: (OT)Check out DVD LINKS
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    .html Rory,

    Do you ever hear anything about when classic Looney Tunes are coming out on DVD? Or some of the Tex Avery MGM stuff? Where's a good place to find this info?

    Off-Topic Matt

    Click here: DVD LINKS

    This DVD links page from www.thecinemalaser.com is the best one I've found so far.  Some of the links are dead because the sites are closed, but you just have to explore.  The Cinema Laser is a good site too for reviews and it's where I've stolen a lot of the POTA pictures I've posted.  As for the Looney Tunes, I think I read something about a bunch of them coming out, but I can't remember.  However, since Warners is about to make a new Looney Tunes movie directed by Joe Dante and starring everybody's favorite Brendan Fraser, I expect we'll finally start to see Tunes DVDs around the time of its release.

    -- Rory     <.html
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    Group: pota Message: 20425 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
    Subject: (OT) Cartoons
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      .htmlIf you like watching cartoons on DVD you can't do much better than this, and if you've never seen these cartoons from the early 1940's then you've really been missing something.

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      Group: pota Message: 20426 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Interesting petition
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      In a message dated 8/26/02 6:49:04 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
      writes:

      << I signed it. The Sci-Fi Channel started going downhill years ago. >>

      Yeah, it did. While I was at my grandmas, she was watching The Flintstones
      movie. I sat down to watch and noticed the Sci Fi logo in the bottom corner.
      "What the hell" is what I thought, and then I went to go play pool
      downstairs.

      -Joe
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      Group: pota Message: 20427 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
      Subject: (OT)Check out Top 250 films
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      .htmlSpeaking of polls. . . . Have any of you bothered to register at IMDb.com and give PLANET OF THE APES your 1 to 10 vote?  If not, please do so now.  Below is there Top 250 listing of most popular movies at the site and PLANET OF THE APES is 231.  Only 231?!!!  Come on, go vote the movie a 10, and get everybody else you know with a computer to do the same.  Maybe we can get it into the Top 200 at least.  Click on the link at the end of the list to get to IMDb.com.

      Top 250 movies as voted by our users

      note: for this top 250, only votes from regular voters are considered.
      Rank    Title
      1 Godfather, The (1972)       9.0/10 (59754 votes)
      2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994)       8.9/10 (77503 votes)
      3 Godfather: Part II, The (1974)       8.8/10 (32272 votes)
      4 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001)       8.8/10 (69041 votes)
      5 Citizen Kane (1941)       8.7/10 (34281 votes)
      6 Schindler's List (1993)       8.7/10 (55314 votes)
      7 Casablanca (1942)       8.7/10 (37084 votes)
      8 Shichinin no samurai (1954)       8.7/10 (13625 votes)
      9 Star Wars (1977)       8.7/10 (83036 votes)
      10 Memento (2000)       8.7/10 (38447 votes)
      11 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964)       8.6/10 (34280 votes)
      12 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)       8.6/10 (37709 votes)
      13 Rear Window (1954)       8.6/10 (22009 votes)
      14 Usual Suspects, The (1995)       8.6/10 (58673 votes)
      15 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)       8.6/10 (53190 votes)
      16 Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, Le (2001)       8.6/10 (21404 votes)
      17 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)       8.6/10 (64023 votes)
      18 North by Northwest (1959)       8.5/10 (19906 votes)
      19 Pulp Fiction (1994)       8.5/10 (71054 votes)
      20 Psycho (1960)       8.5/10 (30453 votes)
      21 American Beauty (1999)       8.5/10 (62611 votes)
      22 Silence of the Lambs, The (1991)       8.5/10 (52004 votes)
      23 12 Angry Men (1957)       8.4/10 (14422 votes)
      24 Lawrence of Arabia (1962)       8.4/10 (16771 votes)
      25 It's a Wonderful Life (1946)       8.4/10 (23463 votes)
      26 Goodfellas (1990)       8.4/10 (34880 votes)
      27 Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, Il (1966)       8.4/10 (12000 votes)
      28 Vertigo (1958)       8.4/10 (19044 votes)
      29 To Kill a Mockingbird (1962)       8.3/10 (16057 votes)
      30 Sunset Blvd. (1950)       8.3/10 (7477 votes)
      31 Apocalypse Now (1979)       8.3/10 (33994 votes)
      32 Some Like It Hot (1959)       8.3/10 (12865 votes)
      33 Taxi Driver (1976)       8.3/10 (25064 votes)
      34 Matrix, The (1999)       8.3/10 (74575 votes)
      35 Third Man, The (1949)       8.3/10 (9952 votes)
      36 Boot, Das (1981)       8.3/10 (15312 votes)
      37 Fight Club (1999)       8.3/10 (51464 votes)
      38 L.A. Confidential (1997)       8.3/10 (40218 votes)
      39 Paths of Glory (1957)       8.3/10 (6829 votes)
      40 Wo hu cang long (2000)       8.3/10 (31689 votes)
      41 Requiem for a Dream (2000)       8.3/10 (16523 votes)
      42 Saving Private Ryan (1998)       8.3/10 (56687 votes)
      43 Chinatown (1974)       8.3/10 (13872 votes)
      44 Bridge on the River Kwai, The (1957)       8.3/10 (12578 votes)
      45 Maltese Falcon, The (1941)       8.3/10 (11598 votes)
      46 M (1931)       8.2/10 (5937 votes)
      47 All About Eve (1950)       8.2/10 (6917 votes)
      48 Singin' in the Rain (1952)       8.2/10 (11294 votes)
      49 Double Indemnity (1944)       8.2/10 (5978 votes)
      50 Raging Bull (1980)       8.2/10 (13865 votes)
      51 Wizard of Oz, The (1939)       8.2/10 (22017 votes)
      52 Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)       8.2/10 (32635 votes)
      53 Vita è bella, La (1997)       8.2/10 (22381 votes)
      54 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)       8.2/10 (38904 votes)
      55 Manchurian Candidate, The (1962)       8.2/10 (7507 votes)
      56 American History X (1998)       8.2/10 (26808 votes)
      57 Se7en (1995)       8.2/10 (44918 votes)
      58 Sixth Sense, The (1999)       8.2/10 (51378 votes)
      59 C'era una volta il West (1969)       8.2/10 (6085 votes)
      60 Alien (1979)       8.2/10 (34660 votes)
      61 Touch of Evil (1958)       8.2/10 (6566 votes)
      62 Sting, The (1973)       8.2/10 (13254 votes)
      63 Toy Story 2 (1999)       8.2/10 (20971 votes)
      64 Clockwork Orange, A (1971)       8.2/10 (35241 votes)
      65 Rashomon (1950)       8.2/10 (5588 votes)
      66 Léon (1994)       8.1/10 (25777 votes)
      67 Treasure of the Sierra Madre, The (1948)       8.1/10 (5929 votes)
      68 Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939)       8.1/10 (6470 votes)
      69 Reservoir Dogs (1992)       8.1/10 (34276 votes)
      70 Jaws (1975)       8.1/10 (26059 votes)
      71 Braveheart (1995)       8.1/10 (52485 votes)
      72 Annie Hall (1977)       8.1/10 (11581 votes)
      73 Great Escape, The (1963)       8.1/10 (10177 votes)
      74 Blade Runner (1982)       8.1/10 (45685 votes)
      75 Fargo (1996)       8.1/10 (39065 votes)
      76 Amadeus (1984)       8.1/10 (21515 votes)
      77 On the Waterfront (1954)       8.1/10 (6447 votes)
      78 Ran (1985)       8.1/10 (6198 votes)
      79 Aliens (1986)       8.1/10 (37749 votes)
      80 Lola rennt (1998)       8.1/10 (16856 votes)
      81 Duck Soup (1933)       8.1/10 (5558 votes)
      82 Apartment, The (1960)       8.1/10 (5710 votes)
      83 Modern Times (1936)       8.1/10 (5241 votes)
      84 High Noon (1952)       8.1/10 (6672 votes)
      85 Princess Bride, The (1987)       8.1/10 (32519 votes)
      86 Shining, The (1980)       8.1/10 (26006 votes)
      87 Strangers on a Train (1951)       8.1/10 (5336 votes)
      88 Minority Report (2002)       8.0/10 (12627 votes)
      89 City Lights (1931)       8.0/10 (4161 votes)
      90 General, The (1927)       8.0/10 (3589 votes)
      91 Shrek (2001)       8.0/10 (27052 votes)
      92 Searchers, The (1956)       8.0/10 (5418 votes)
      93 Green Mile, The (1999)       8.0/10 (27719 votes)
      94 Full Metal Jacket (1987)       8.0/10 (24752 votes)
      95 Rebecca (1940)       8.0/10 (6001 votes)
      96 Graduate, The (1967)       8.0/10 (15398 votes)
      97 Deer Hunter, The (1978)       8.0/10 (14633 votes)
      98 Ladri di biciclette (1948)       8.0/10 (3780 votes)
      99 African Queen, The (1951)       8.0/10 (8418 votes)
      100 Glory (1989)       8.0/10 (12923 votes)


      Top 101 - 250

      Rank    Title
      101 Nuovo cinema Paradiso (1988)       8.0/10 (7979 votes)
      102 Sjunde inseglet, Det (1957)       8.0/10 (4519 votes)
      103 Notorious (1946)       8.0/10 (5325 votes)
      104 Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)       8.0/10 (11131 votes)
      105 Metropolis (1927)       8.0/10 (5701 votes)
      106 Big Sleep, The (1946)       8.0/10 (5378 votes)
      107 It Happened One Night (1934)       8.0/10 (4118 votes)
      108 Manhattan (1979)       8.0/10 (6822 votes)
      109 Great Dictator, The (1940)       8.0/10 (4633 votes)
      110 Ben-Hur (1959)       8.0/10 (11724 votes)
      111 Almost Famous (2000)       8.0/10 (19178 votes)
      112 Mulholland Dr. (2001)       8.0/10 (11552 votes)
      113 Philadelphia Story, The (1940)       8.0/10 (6027 votes)
      114 Patton (1970)       8.0/10 (7753 votes)
      115 Straight Story, The (1999)       8.0/10 (6821 votes)
      116 Best Years of Our Lives, The (1946)       8.0/10 (3318 votes)
      117 Being John Malkovich (1999)       8.0/10 (27933 votes)
      118 Cool Hand Luke (1967)       7.9/10 (7794 votes)
      119 Donnie Darko (2001)       7.9/10 (6324 votes)
      120 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)       7.9/10 (48885 votes)
      121 Monsters, Inc. (2001)       7.9/10 (13069 votes)
      122 Yojimbo (1961)       7.9/10 (3914 votes)
      123 Bringing Up Baby (1938)       7.9/10 (4934 votes)
      124 Grapes of Wrath, The (1940)       7.9/10 (4268 votes)
      125 Christmas Story, A (1983)       7.9/10 (10675 votes)
      126 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)       7.9/10 (42338 votes)
      127 Mononoke Hime (1997)       7.9/10 (8289 votes)
      128 Young Frankenstein (1974)       7.9/10 (12153 votes)
      129 Road to Perdition (2002)       7.9/10 (5538 votes)
      130 Festen (1998)       7.9/10 (6646 votes)
      131 Insider, The (1999)       7.9/10 (15114 votes)
      132 Night of the Hunter, The (1955)       7.9/10 (3715 votes)
      133 Wild Bunch, The (1969)       7.9/10 (6110 votes)
      134 Arsenic and Old Lace (1944)       7.9/10 (6338 votes)
      135 Gladiator (2000)       7.9/10 (50779 votes)
      136 Gone with the Wind (1939)       7.9/10 (16847 votes)
      137 All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)       7.9/10 (3498 votes)
      138 Traffic (2000)       7.9/10 (23058 votes)
      139 Forrest Gump (1994)       7.9/10 (48578 votes)
      140 Unforgiven (1992)       7.9/10 (16714 votes)
      141 Conversation, The (1974)       7.9/10 (5249 votes)
      142 Magnolia (1999)       7.9/10 (22776 votes)
      143 Hustler, The (1961)       7.9/10 (4367 votes)
      144 Die Hard (1988)       7.9/10 (33486 votes)
      145 Others, The (2001)       7.9/10 (14844 votes)
      146 Elephant Man, The (1980)       7.9/10 (8414 votes)
      147 Stalag 17 (1953)       7.9/10 (3591 votes)
      148 Platoon (1986)       7.9/10 (18298 votes)
      149 Sling Blade (1996)       7.9/10 (12720 votes)
      150 Grande illusion, La (1937)       7.9/10 (2709 votes)
      151 Spartacus (1960)       7.9/10 (9038 votes)
      152 His Girl Friday (1940)       7.9/10 (3478 votes)
      153 Streetcar Named Desire, A (1951)       7.9/10 (5018 votes)
      154 Gold Rush, The (1925)       7.9/10 (3347 votes)
      155 Bronenosets Potyomkin (1925)       7.8/10 (2794 votes)
      156 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)       7.8/10 (34437 votes)
      157 Toy Story (1995)       7.8/10 (26693 votes)
      158 Brazil (1985)       7.8/10 (18408 votes)
      159 Exorcist, The (1973)       7.8/10 (17419 votes)
      160 Trois couleurs: Rouge (1994)       7.8/10 (5980 votes)
      161 Once Upon a Time in America (1984)       7.8/10 (8137 votes)
      162 Beautiful Mind, A (2001)       7.8/10 (17492 votes)
      163 Back to the Future (1985)       7.8/10 (37617 votes)
      164 Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (1966)       7.8/10 (3975 votes)
      165 Night at the Opera, A (1935)       7.8/10 (3268 votes)
      166 Quatre cents coups, Les (1959)       7.8/10 (3086 votes)
      167 Life of Brian (1979)       7.8/10 (18220 votes)
      168 Witness for the Prosecution (1957)       7.8/10 (2568 votes)
      169 Right Stuff, The (1983)       7.8/10 (7875 votes)
      170 Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The (1962)       7.8/10 (3695 votes)
      171 Charade (1963)       7.8/10 (4235 votes)
      172 Moulin Rouge! (2001)       7.8/10 (23925 votes)
      173 Killing, The (1956)       7.8/10 (3118 votes)
      174 Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens (1922)       7.8/10 (3883 votes)
      175 Todo sobre mi madre (1999)       7.8/10 (6528 votes)
      176 Adventures of Robin Hood, The (1938)       7.8/10 (3615 votes)
      177 All the President's Men (1976)       7.8/10 (7232 votes)
      178 Midnight Cowboy (1969)       7.8/10 (7118 votes)
      179 Terminator, The (1984)       7.8/10 (31966 votes)
      180 Stand by Me (1986)       7.8/10 (17351 votes)
      181 Twelve Monkeys (1995)       7.8/10 (35981 votes)
      182 Amores perros (2000)       7.8/10 (4957 votes)
      183 Shadow of a Doubt (1943)       7.8/10 (2672 votes)
      184 Henry V (1989)       7.8/10 (5477 votes)
      185 Iron Giant, The (1999)       7.8/10 (7575 votes)
      186 Snatch. (2000)       7.8/10 (18966 votes)
      187 Dog Day Afternoon (1975)       7.8/10 (7073 votes)
      188 This Is Spinal Tap (1984)       7.8/10 (10361 votes)
      189 Ghost World (2001)       7.8/10 (7350 votes)
      190 Smultronstället (1957)       7.8/10 (2235 votes)
      191 Spider-Man (2002)       7.7/10 (23984 votes)
      192 Die xue shuang xiong (1989)       7.7/10 (4810 votes)
      193 Day the Earth Stood Still, The (1951)       7.7/10 (5497 votes)
      194 Bonnie and Clyde (1967)       7.7/10 (6534 votes)
      195 Rain Man (1988)       7.7/10 (24814 votes)
      196 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998)       7.7/10 (16455 votes)
      197 Trainspotting (1996)       7.7/10 (29347 votes)
      198 Ed Wood (1994)       7.7/10 (11193 votes)
      199 Network (1976)       7.7/10 (5002 votes)
      200 Gandhi (1982)       7.7/10 (8900 votes)
      201 Good Will Hunting (1997)       7.7/10 (36127 votes)
      202 Roman Holiday (1953)       7.7/10 (4708 votes)
      203 Harvey (1950)       7.7/10 (4175 votes)
      204 Miller's Crossing (1990)       7.7/10 (7198 votes)
      205 Laura (1944)       7.7/10 (2563 votes)
      206 Lion in Winter, The (1968)       7.7/10 (3128 votes)
      207 O Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000)       7.7/10 (18670 votes)
      208 Man Who Wasn't There, The (2001)       7.7/10 (7140 votes)
      209 Strada, La (1954)       7.7/10 (2486 votes)
      210 Signs (2002)       7.7/10 (8406 votes)
      211 Untouchables, The (1987)       7.7/10 (16531 votes)
      212 Stagecoach (1939)       7.7/10 (2971 votes)
      213 Fantasia (1940)       7.7/10 (8937 votes)
      214 King Kong (1933)       7.7/10 (5281 votes)
      215 39 Steps, The (1935)       7.7/10 (3975 votes)
      216 Clerks. (1994)       7.7/10 (22932 votes)
      217 Quiet Man, The (1952)       7.7/10 (4160 votes)
      218 Groundhog Day (1993)       7.7/10 (23296 votes)
      219 MASH (1970)       7.7/10 (9083 votes)
      220 Deliverance (1972)       7.7/10 (8001 votes)
      221 E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982)       7.7/10 (24789 votes)
      222 Rio Bravo (1959)       7.7/10 (3806 votes)
      223 To Be or Not to Be (1942)       7.7/10 (1613 votes)
      224 Being There (1979)       7.7/10 (6020 votes)
      225 Royal Tenenbaums, The (2001)       7.7/10 (12016 votes)
      226 Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)       7.7/10 (15662 votes)
      227 You Can Count on Me (2000)       7.7/10 (4329 votes)
      228 Sweet Hereafter, The (1997)       7.7/10 (6095 votes)
      229 Beauty and the Beast (1991)       7.7/10 (13425 votes)
      230 Jean de Florette (1986)       7.7/10 (3546 votes)
      231 Planet of the Apes (1968)       7.7/10 (10652 votes)
      232 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)       7.7/10 (7540 votes)
      233 Birds, The (1963)       7.7/10 (10831 votes)
      234 Killing Fields, The (1984)       7.7/10 (5505 votes)
      235 From Here to Eternity (1953)       7.7/10 (3262 votes)
      236 In the Heat of the Night (1967)       7.7/10 (3315 votes)
      237 Black Hawk Down (2001)       7.7/10 (12998 votes)
      238 Da hong deng long gao gao gua (1991)       7.6/10 (2477 votes)
      239 My Fair Lady (1964)       7.6/10 (7731 votes)
      240 Dancer in the Dark (2000)       7.6/10 (8248 votes)
      241 Truman Show, The (1998)       7.6/10 (38142 votes)
      242 Man Who Would Be King, The (1975)       7.6/10 (4602 votes)
      243 Fugitive, The (1993)       7.6/10 (31964 votes)
      244 Crimes and Misdemeanors (1989)       7.6/10 (4533 votes)
      245 Thin Man, The (1934)       7.6/10 (2344 votes)
      246 8 1/2 (1963)       7.6/10 (3894 votes)
      247 Red River (1948)       7.6/10 (1749 votes)
      248 Player, The (1992)       7.6/10 (9376 votes)
      249 Big Lebowski, The (1998)       7.6/10 (23217 votes)
      250 JFK (1991)       7.6/10 (14527 votes)


      Click here: Top 250 films





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      Group: pota Message: 20428 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Interesting petition
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      .htmlIn a message dated 8/27/02 4:40:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:


      << I signed it.  The Sci-Fi Channel started going downhill years ago. >>

      Yeah, it did.  While I was at my grandmas, she was watching The Flintstones
      movie.  I sat down to watch and noticed the Sci Fi logo in the bottom corner.
      "What the hell" is what I thought, and then I went to go play pool
      downstairs.

      -Joe



      CheeseGOTAS!  You're still around.  Haven't heard from you in a while.      <.html
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      Group: pota Message: 20429 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) More DVD news
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      I dunno, what DO I think?
      I've got Robin Hood Megos though.
      Man, I hated MIB 2.
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 6:00 AM
      Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) More DVD news

      Wow!  This sounds pretty cool. . . . .

      What a Glorious Feeling! 'Singin' In The Rain' Is Restored
      Warner Home Video has demonstrated a new digital process, called Ultra-Resolution, that it has used to remaster the classic Technicolor musical Singin' in the Rain       for DVD, due to be released on Sept. 24. As Video Store magazine describes the process in its online edition today (Tuesday), the process involved scanning the 443,424 separate frames of the three "master positives" of the Technicolor film. (The original Technicolor process involved using a camera that exposed three rolls of film simultaneously, producing yellow, cyan and magenta images. These were then used to print the individual frames onto celluloid stock with ink, producing the full-color film.) The digital images were then combined electronically, adjusting for aging and film shrinkage. The result, according to Richard May, Warner's chief of film preservation, are images that exceed the clarity of the original. "I don't remember ever seeing so much detail," he told the trade magazine.

      I know that Warners is doing a restoration of one of my favorite Technicolor films, THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD.  It's supposed to come out next year.  Now I really can't wait.  And another one that I wonder if Warners is working on, even though it's just black and white, is the original KING KONG.  Man, I wish they'd get that out on DVD.

      What do you think, Ken Taylor?

      -- Rory



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      Group: pota Message: 20430 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
      Subject: (OT) Kong
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        .htmlWell, here's something else they have in Britian that we don't here, but I'm sure it's not restored.

                               

        Now here's a Poll question:  How many of you were fans of KONG before or after you saw POTA?  How many of you would get it on DVD?

        Remember, KING KONG was Arthur P. Jacobs favorite movie.

        -- Rory                 <.html
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        Group: pota Message: 20431 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
        Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Interesting petition
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        In a message dated 8/27/02 3:50:06 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
        writes:

        << CheeseGOTAS! You're still around. Haven't heard from you in a while.
        >>

        Oh yeah, I'm still around. I may not post as much, but I still read most of
        the posts. Anyway, since school has started again, I'll be posting more
        because my life won't be as frantic as it was during the summer.

        -Joe
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        Group: pota Message: 20432 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
        Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) More DVD news
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        .htmlIn a message dated 8/27/02 5:02:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:


        I dunno, what DO I think?

        I've got Robin Hood Megos though.
        Man, I hated MIB 2.


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        Group: pota Message: 20433 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
        Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT)Check out Top 250 films
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        In a message dated 8/27/02 3:49:12 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
        writes:

        << Speaking of polls. . . . Have any of you bothered to register at IMDb.com
        and
        give PLANET OF THE APES your 1 to 10 vote? If not, please do so now. Below
        is there Top 250 listing of most popular movies at the site and PLANET OF
        THE
        APES is 231. Only 231?!!! Come on, go vote the movie a 10, and get
        everybody else you know with a computer to do the same. Maybe we can get it
        into the Top 200 at least. Click on the link at the end of the list to get
        to IMDb.com. >>

        I've used many different names on the IMDB to give it a 10!

        -Joe
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        Group: pota Message: 20434 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
        Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kong
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        In a message dated 8/27/02 4:03:47 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
        writes:

        << Now here's a Poll question: How many of you were fans of KONG before or
        after you saw POTA? How many of you would get it on DVD? >>

        I'd have to say after, because I had seen the Apes movies growing up when my
        brothers watched it before seeing Kong.

        -Joe
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        Group: pota Message: 20435 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
        Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT)Check out Top 250 films
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        .htmlIn a message dated 8/27/02 5:06:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:


        I've used many different names on the IMDB to give it a 10!

        -Joe



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        Group: pota Message: 20436 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
        Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
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          When I was  a kid, I loved the original and I was first in line for the 1977 remake. I kind of feel like I've seen it so often since then and I had it on VHS, I doubt I'd bother with it on DVD unless it has really cool extras.
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:02 AM
          Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong

          Well, here's something else they have in Britian that we don't here, but I'm sure it's not restored.

                                 

          Now here's a Poll question:  How many of you were fans of KONG before or after you saw POTA?  How many of you would get it on DVD?

          Remember, KING KONG was Arthur P. Jacobs favorite movie.

          -- Rory

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          Group: pota Message: 20437 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) More DVD news
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          Schmuck rhymes with Chuck..and he's our hero, so thanks for the compliment.
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:03 AM
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) More DVD news

          In a message dated 8/27/02 5:02:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:


          I dunno, what DO I think?

          I've got Robin Hood Megos though.
          Man, I hated MIB 2.


          What the matter with you?  Can't you be serious, schmuck!

          Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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          Group: pota Message: 20438 From: james611102 Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Poll results for pota
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          Funny I remember voting No as well. Maybe Arthur Andersen tabulated
          the results.

          --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
          > In a message dated 8/27/2002 9:37:12 AM Central Standard Time,
          > Haristas@a... writes:
          >
          >
          > >
          > > >> The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
          > >> final results:
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> POLL QUESTION: Would you like to see a follow-up to
          > >> last year's "re-imagining" of Planet of
          > >> the Apes?
          > >>
          > >> CHOICES AND RESULTS
          > >> - Yes, 1 votes, 100.00%
          > >> - No, 0 votes, 0.00%
          > >>
          > >
          > > One person voted. What does that tell you? Who sets up these
          polls? It
          > > seems most here don't pay any attention. You want to know
          something? Just
          > > ask it in the group.
          >
          > This doesn't seem right at all... I mean I am sure I voted in
          this "poll" and
          > of course I voted "NO"... How my vote wasn't counted is beyond
          me... Where
          > the hell is this poll taken, Florida?
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          Group: pota Message: 20439 From: james611102 Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
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          Hey I'm in the remake. In the crowd scene at the WTC. I'm 23,362nd
          from the left.



          --- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
          > When I was a kid, I loved the original and I was first in line
          for the 1977 remake. I kind of feel like I've seen it so often since
          then and I had it on VHS, I doubt I'd bother with it on DVD unless
          it has really cool extras.
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          Group: pota Message: 20440 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
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          Does that mean you're cut out of the pan & scan version?

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
          To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:08 AM
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong


          > Hey I'm in the remake. In the crowd scene at the WTC. I'm 23,362nd
          > from the left.
          >
          >
          >
          > --- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
          > > When I was a kid, I loved the original and I was first in line
          > for the 1977 remake. I kind of feel like I've seen it so often since
          > then and I had it on VHS, I doubt I'd bother with it on DVD unless
          > it has really cool extras.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
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          Group: pota Message: 20441 From: james611102 Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
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          Yes. You'll just have to wait for the widescreen DVD to find me.

          --- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
          > Does that mean you're cut out of the pan & scan version?
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
          > To: <pota@y...>
          > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:08 AM
          > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
          >
          >
          > > Hey I'm in the remake. In the crowd scene at the WTC. I'm
          23,362nd
          > > from the left.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
          > > > When I was a kid, I loved the original and I was first in line
          > > for the 1977 remake. I kind of feel like I've seen it so often
          since
          > > then and I had it on VHS, I doubt I'd bother with it on DVD
          unless
          > > it has really cool extras.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >

          > >
          > >
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          Group: pota Message: 20442 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
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          .htmlIn a message dated 8/27/02 5:13:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:


          When I was  a kid, I loved the original and I was first in line for the 1977 remake. I kind of feel like I've seen it so often since then and I had it on VHS, I doubt I'd bother with it on DVD unless it has really cool extras.



          Didn't that '77 remake suck?  I once saw the original KING KONG in a movie theatre.  It was back in the mid-seventies and it had restored footage in it.  Unfortunately there weren't that many people in the theatre so it was pretty much like seeing it on TV, only bigger.  You sound like an old cynic saying you won't get it on DVD unless it's got cool extras.  Well, I think it will have cool extras.  I expect it'll get the same treatment on DVD that "Citizen Kane" did.

          You buy "Mad Monster Party" but say maybe no to "King Kong"?!!!  You bloody baboon!

          -- Rory          <.html
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          Group: pota Message: 20443 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
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          .htmlIn a message dated 8/27/02 6:29:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:


          Yes. You'll just have to wait for the widescreen DVD to find me.



          It's already out there and I rented it.  I think I spotted you.  You must have been that guy near the big Kong they built on the WTC Plaza try to see how big a schmuck they gave it.  You're a sick man.          <.html
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          Group: pota Message: 20444 From: whitty@cyberone.com.au Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Simpsons 2003 Calendar
          .html
          I actually have 3 really nice original Animation Cels from that
          sequence.

          Michael

          --- MTotsky@... wrote:
          > I was at the bookstore today and saw the Simpsons Calendar for next
          year. The theme is musicals from the show and one of the months
          features their POTA spoof. There's a cool shot of Troy McClure of
          Taylor in front of the Statue of Liberty and a dancing Gorilla, Zaius
          and Chimp Nurse.
          >
          > Matt
          >
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          > 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now
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          Group: pota Message: 20445 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Simpsons 2003 Calendar
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          .htmlIn a message dated 8/27/02 9:12:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:


          I actually have 3 really nice original Animation Cels from that
          sequence.

          Michael



          How did you get them?          <.html
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          Group: pota Message: 20446 From: thypentacle Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) VHS is dead. Long Live King DVD!
          .html

          Not gonna happen till DVD players can play and record, while costing the same as a vcr does now, with comparable prices for the blank media used (DVDrw discs). (That's at least ten years away and by then some new thing will be out makin everyone cream in their pants to have and DVD's won't be worth shit anymore.) Anyway, I don't think DVD will push VHS out that fast when DVD players can do nothing but play DVD's. How the hell is a person supposed to record their favorite TV show with a DVD player? And no, Tivo isn't the answer either as it records in a completely non portable way. (No video tape to pop out and take to a friends house to watch.) Maybe I'm too old for my own good, but I'd much rather have my VCR than my DVD player if I was forced to pick just one. DVD technology is still not ready for mass singular use. Hell, they can't even decide on a permanent format for DVD recorders yet for god's sake!!! Yes, that is indeed a stable product...<said sarcastically as possible>

           Haristas@... wrote:

          Here's an interesting article, especially for those of you who think you can keep buying VHS tapes.  WARNING:  Long article.

          Posted on Mon, Aug. 26, 2002

          DVDs poised to push aside videocassettes
          By RICK LYMAN
          The New York Times

          LOS ANGELES - Digital video discs and their players, which five years ago were not much more than the toys of gadget-lust sufferers, have now taken full wing as a true pop culture phenomenon.

          According to industry projections, Americans will spend nearly $3 billion more on DVDs this year than they did last, an increase of 50 percent. Some recent hit films, like The Fast and the Furious and Training Day, have earned more from their DVD releases than from their first-run theater engagements. And for the first time, DVD sales have surpassed those of videocassettes, even though DVD players are in only about a third of American households, compared with a saturation of more than 90 percent for videocassette players.

          In the face of this, American retailers have shown the first major signs of making a per- manent shift to DVDs from videocassettes, much as they did to CDs from vinyl albums a decade ago.

          "It is the most successful home entertainment device in history," said Warren Lieberfarb, president of Warner Home Video. "In five years, it has gone from zero to 30 million households, and a quarter of those have more than one DVD player. Nothing else has come close to doing that in such a short time, not CDs, not VCRs, not personal computers, not even television itself.

          "Early estimates in 1997 and 1998, the first years that DVDs were on the market, projected that it would take substantially longer for the new format to assert itself. But no one foresaw how quickly Hollywood studios would move to put their recent releases and extensive libraries onto the shiny new discs. By decade's end, all of them had.

          And few predicted how quickly the price of DVD players would drop. They typically cost $600 to $700 in 1997 and now go for $150 to $160, with some retailers last Christmas offering players for as little as $79.

          Tom Adams, president of Adams Media Research, a leading monitor of the entertainment industry, said that "the main, wild variable" that caused the explosion of growth was the entry of Chinese manufacturers into the DVD player market in the last two years. "That forced the Japanese to slash their prices," he said. "So we have seen both an unprecedented rate of price decrease on the hardware front and an unprecedented rate of software support in the form of movie titles being released."

          Adding to the popularity of DVDs is that many computers and gaming systems can now play them. Viewers are no longer chained to their TV sets; they can watch DVDs in the car, on the train, even at work.

          Bolstering sales further is that, unlike videocassettes, which ruled home entertainment for a generation, DVDs are much more likely to be bought than rented - sometimes purchased more than once as upgraded or expanded versions of films are released with new bells and whistles.

          A case in point is the sequential release on DVD and VHS cassette of three versions of The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. A release earlier this month will be followed in November by an expanded version, with 30 minutes of extra scenes woven in and interviews with the filmmakers, and then by a deluxe four-disc set with more features. New Line Cinema, which released the film, is counting on some DVD aficionados to buy two and perhaps all three versions, leaving it to future scholars to ponder which is the definitive version of the movie.

          The movie's sales pattern in its first days on store shelves shows how rapidly the digital format is supplant-ing old-fangled videocassettes, particularly for blockbuster films that appeal to a young male audience. While New Line estimates a sales breakdown of 65 percent DVD to 35 percent VHS - representing no small surge on the DVD front - Video Business magazine, citing sources from among the studio's unnamed competitors, estimates an even greater disparity. It projects that the film sold 5.2 million to 6.5 million copies in its first week (beginning Aug. 6), of which only a million to 1.5 million copies were VHS.

          Making this shift even more lucrative for the studios is the cost of manufacturing DVDs, which at slightly more than a dollar per disc is less than half that for a cassette.

          A movie's initial theatrical release, particularly its opening weekend, is still the event that drives the film's performance overall. A box office hit is more likely to become a pay-TV hit and a video store hit. But in terms of dollars flowing into studio coffers, home entertainment is king.

          Typically, a film's initial release accounts for only one-fifth of what it will eventually bring in, while home entertainment has been more than double that in recent years. And since the advent of DVD, the home entertainment portion has crept up to account for more than half of a movie's ultimate revenue.

          In 2001, $10.3 billion was spent in the United States to buy copies of films for home use, of which $5.4 billion, or 52 percent, went for DVDs. Adams Media Research estimates that in 2002, $12.4 billion will be spent, of which $8.1 billion, or 65 percent, will go for DVDs.

          "The initial release of the motion picture in movie theaters is becoming, to a large extent, little more than a preview trailer for the subsequent purchase of the DVD," said Martin W. Greenwald, president of Image Entertainment, which produces dozens of pop music and DVD titles for the retail market.

          Training Day, the police thriller that won Denzel Washington an Oscar, made $76.3 million in its initial theatrical release, but by the end of June had earned $86.1 million on sales and rentals of its DVD, according to the latest figures available.

          The Fast and the Furious made $144 million at the North American box office, but it had earned the same amount on DVD sales and rentals by the end of June and has continued to be a top seller and rental item since.

          The sudden dominance of DVD is transforming the rental market as well as sales: DVD rentals in the first half of 2002 were up 116 percent from the first half of 2001, while video rentals (though still a larger proportion of the rental market) declined 22 percent. Although some in the industry cling to the notion that videocassettes will persevere, most believe that they will gradually - or perhaps not so gradually - go the way of the vinyl disc and the goonie bird.

          "My guess is that within 24 months it will become very difficult to find any titles in video, other than family films," said Benjamin S. Feingold, president of Columbia Tri-Star Motion Picture Group.

          Family films are an important part of the home video industry because children, much more than adults, are eager to watch the same movies over and over, making buying them much more economical than renting.

          DVDs, which are a vast improvement in quality over cassettes and have many more features - director commentary, for instance, or alternate endings - are also changing the way that millions of Americans watch movies at home. The enhanced video and audio qualities are nudging more people toward elaborate home theater systems. The digital nature of DVD allows viewers to pop in a disc and watch only one or two favorite moments instead of a whole film, much like a favorite track on a CD, changing movie watching from a linear experience to a more interactive one.

          How these changes will affect the way the movies are made is still, largely, a subject of conjecture in Hollywood. But everyone agrees there will be inevitable changes.

          Racy or explosive scenes that may not make a PG cut for movie theaters can still be shot in hopes of placing them on DVD versions. And seldom before have filmmakers allowed such early access to behind-the-scenes documentarians, creating a vast new pool of information about how movies are made that, many hope, will have a positive effect on dwindling film literacy.

          "Directors have embraced the format so enthusiastically, much more than they ever did with VHS," Feingold said. "As a result, they're getting involved right from the beginning in the making of the extra DVD material and taking a much more hands-on approach to the DVD release. It can't help but have an impact.

          "Warner Bros., the leading studio in terms of DVD sales and rentals, estimates that the number of players in American homes increased 53 percent from mid-2001 to mid-2002. Most estimate that, by year's end, about 40 percent of American households will have them.

          Add to that personal computers with DVD drives and sophisticated game systems that can play DVDs, and more than half of American households will have the ability to watch DVDs, Adams Media Research predicts.

          "One profound impact that DVD is having is that it's re-energized people's buying behavior," said Bob Chapek, present of Buena Vista Home Entertainment, Disney's video and DVD division. "Even in the heyday of VHS, the average household bought about five videocassettes a year. Now, consumers are buying 15 DVDs per year.

          "Earlier this summer, the Circuit City electronics chain announced that it intended to stop selling videotapes to devote its shelf space to DVDs, and many experts predict that giant retailers such as Wal-Mart may soon follow suit.

          Lieberfarb, the Warner Home Video president, said, "I think we are looking at somewhere this side of five years away when videotapes will disappear from stores altogether."

                             
                               "I think if I were to travel to the Forbidden
                               City I might be able to find some old DVDs.
                               I want a copy of THE PHANTOM OF THE PARADISE
                               with that adorable Paul Williams.  I think I'll take
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          Group: pota Message: 20447 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) VHS is dead. Long Live King DVD!
          .html
          .htmlIn a message dated 8/27/02 9:52:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thypentacle@... writes:


          Not gonna happen till DVD players can play and record, while costing the same as a vcr does now, with comparable prices for the blank media used (DVDrw discs). (That's at least ten years away and by then some new thing will be out makin everyone cream in their pants to have and DVD's won't be worth shit anymore.) Anyway, I don't think DVD will push VHS out that fast when DVD players can do nothing but play DVD's. How the hell is a person supposed to record their favorite TV show with a DVD player? And no, Tivo isn't the answer either as it records in a completely non portable way. (No video tape to pop out and take to a friends house to watch.) Maybe I'm too old for my own good, but I'd much rather have my VCR than my DVD player if I was forced to pick just one. DVD technology is still not ready for mass singular use. Hell, they can't even decide on a permanent format for DVD recorders yet for god's sake!!! Yes, that is indeed a stable product...<said sarcastically as possible> 



          Well, given the growth of DVD in the past three years you never know.  Maybe a recordable DVD machine that's cheap isn't that far off?   If this sluggish world economy keeps up that'll slow things down.  I can't wait to get my big-screen 16X9 display for less than a grand.          <.html
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          Group: pota Message: 20448 From: thypentacle Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT)Check out Top 250 films
          .html

          It says on the site that only regular voters get counted, so that won't work unless you vote regularly using every single name, for several different movies, on a regular basis. :o)

           Haristas@... wrote:

          In a message dated 8/27/02 5:06:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:


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          Group: pota Message: 20449 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong
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          .html
          Mad Monster Party has Kong in it ( sort of , and better animated ). Does that count? It's not like the original King Kong is going to be in widescreen or 5.1 sound when it's released on DVD, so the extras would need to be decent..or at least if it's got cool packaging. I'm a sucker for cool packaging. Just got Pulp Fiction from Amazon today, it's nicely packaged.
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:58 AM
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong

          In a message dated 8/27/02 5:13:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:


          When I was  a kid, I loved the original and I was first in line for the 1977 remake. I kind of feel like I've seen it so often since then and I had it on VHS, I doubt I'd bother with it on DVD unless it has really cool extras.



          Didn't that '77 remake suck?  I once saw the original KING KONG in a movie theatre.  It was back in the mid-seventies and it had restored footage in it.  Unfortunately there weren't that many people in the theatre so it was pretty much like seeing it on TV, only bigger.  You sound like an old cynic saying you won't get it on DVD unless it's got cool extras.  Well, I think it will have cool extras.  I expect it'll get the same treatment on DVD that "Citizen Kane" did.

          You buy "Mad Monster Party" but say maybe no to "King Kong"?!!!  You bloody baboon!

          -- Rory
          Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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          Group: pota Message: 20450 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/27/2002
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] [OT] So?laris
          .html
          No, they moved "Solaris" up to November, I think the 21st or 27. I thought
          Cameron would be bummed out about "Terminator 3" but he's giving them script
          ideas. Why not? He probably gets a big check as the creator. - - - Jeff


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Alexander Ruiz" <thaderules@...>
          To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:24 AM
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] [OT] So?laris


          > Speaking of Solaris.
          > Rumors are the first full trial of Terminator 3 will be shown during the
          > release of Solaris. But that's Dec. 13th, man, what a bummer!
          >
          > Best.
          > Al
          >
          >
          > >From: <veetus@...>
          > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          > >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
          > >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] So?laris
          > >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 06:57:27 -0700
          > >
          > > There's 2 reviews of a preview screening of Fox's next great sci-fi
          > >remake at www.aintitcool.com . "Solaris" is produced by James Cameron
          > >(finally reimagining 5 years after he was supposed to do "Apes") and
          > >directed by Steven Soderbergh (whose first movie he ever remembers seeing
          > >was the original POTA). The first review is a rave, saying it's
          thoughtful
          > >sci-fi he can't get out of his mind, the second says it's pretentious
          > >pseudo-sci-fi by a Kubrick wanna-be (but compares it to "Eyes Wide Shut",
          > >not "2001"). We shall see this November, but this is the movie I'm
          looking
          > >forward to this winter (this and "Lord of the Rings 2"; the preview on
          the
          > >DVD is awesome). - - Jeff
          > >
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: veetus@...
          > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:30 AM
          > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
          > >different
          > >
          > >
          > > Penticle-Man, you are...amazing.
          > >
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: thypentacle
          > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:51 AM
          > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
          > >different
          > >
          > >
          > > Just some simple HTML source reading to find out the direct link to
          > >the file. (To view source click 'View' in IE's main menu, then click
          > >'Source'.) Sometimes you can also get protected pics that have turned off
          > >right-clicking by putting your mouse pointer over the pic and pushing the
          > >'Menu' key on a Windows keyboard to pull up the save menu. (The menu key
          is
          > >to the right of the space bar between the 'Windows' key and the 'Ctrl'
          > >key.) Of course if all else fails, you can always press the print screen
          > >key and paste / crop the image in any image editor. So it's really
          > >impossible to protect any picture on the internet. Best anyone can do is
          > >make it slightly difficult. :o)
          > >
          > >
          > > Haristas@... wrote:
          > >
          > > In a message dated 8/25/02 11:22:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
          > >thypentacle@... writes:
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Use this link if you want to be able to right-click and save it:
          > >http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/100535.1020.A.jpg
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Thanks. You gotta tell me how you did that.
          > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
          Service.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
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          Group: pota Message: 20451 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/27/2002
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          Didn't that '77 remake suck?
           
           
           
           
           
          I liked the close up make-up but that Robo-Kong at the end is just plain awful. I remember the stirring in my loins when Kong pulls Dwan's tube top down. The rest was pretty dull. The poster was misleading too, as it had Kong with each foot on each of the twin towers. He wasn't THAT big. King Kong Lives was a laff riot. Has anybody seen the 70's Brit movie Queen Kong? I've never seen it but I had the book when I was young and all 'Ape Crazy'. That was before I became plain crazy.
           
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            He probably had a really good friend who worked at Fox that could get them at staff rates.
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            Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:19 AM
            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Simpsons 2003 Calendar

            In a message dated 8/27/02 9:12:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:


            I actually have 3 really nice original Animation Cels from that
            sequence.

            Michael



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            Group: pota Message: 20453 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/27/2002
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              "Fight Club" at #37? POTA doesn't need this list, it's bogus! Etc.         - - - Jeff
             
             
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            Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (OT)Check out Top 250 films

            Speaking of polls. . . . Have any of you bothered to register at IMDb.com and give PLANET OF THE APES your 1 to 10 vote?  If not, please do so now.  Below is there Top 250 listing of most popular movies at the site and PLANET OF THE APES is 231.  Only 231?!!!  Come on, go vote the movie a 10, and get everybody else you know with a computer to do the same.  Maybe we can get it into the Top 200 at least.  Click on the link at the end of the list to get to IMDb.com.

            Top 250 movies as voted by our users

            note: for this top 250, only votes from regular voters are considered.
            Rank    Title
            1 Godfather, The (1972)             9.0/10 (59754 votes)
            2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994)             8.9/10 (77503 votes)
            3 Godfather: Part II, The (1974)             8.8/10 (32272 votes)
            4 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001)             8.8/10 (69041 votes)
            5 Citizen Kane (1941)             8.7/10 (34281 votes)
            6 Schindler's List (1993)             8.7/10 (55314 votes)
            7 Casablanca (1942)             8.7/10 (37084 votes)
            8 Shichinin no samurai (1954)             8.7/10 (13625 votes)
            9 Star Wars (1977)             8.7/10 (83036 votes)
            10 Memento (2000)             8.7/10 (38447 votes)
            11 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964)             8.6/10 (34280 votes)
            12 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)             8.6/10 (37709 votes)
            13 Rear Window (1954)             8.6/10 (22009 votes)
            14 Usual Suspects, The (1995)             8.6/10 (58673 votes)
            15 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)             8.6/10 (53190 votes)
            16 Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, Le (2001)             8.6/10 (21404 votes)
            17 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)             8.6/10 (64023 votes)
            18 North by Northwest (1959)             8.5/10 (19906 votes)
            19 Pulp Fiction (1994)             8.5/10 (71054 votes)
            20 Psycho (1960)             8.5/10 (30453 votes)
            21 American Beauty (1999)             8.5/10 (62611 votes)
            22 Silence of the Lambs, The (1991)             8.5/10 (52004 votes)
            23 12 Angry Men (1957)             8.4/10 (14422 votes)
            24 Lawrence of Arabia (1962)             8.4/10 (16771 votes)
            25 It's a Wonderful Life (1946)             8.4/10 (23463 votes)
            26 Goodfellas (1990)             8.4/10 (34880 votes)
            27 Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, Il (1966)             8.4/10 (12000 votes)
            28 Vertigo (1958)             8.4/10 (19044 votes)
            29 To Kill a Mockingbird (1962)             8.3/10 (16057 votes)
            30 Sunset Blvd. (1950)             8.3/10 (7477 votes)
            31 Apocalypse Now (1979)             8.3/10 (33994 votes)
            32 Some Like It Hot (1959)             8.3/10 (12865 votes)
            33 Taxi Driver (1976)             8.3/10 (25064 votes)
            34 Matrix, The (1999)             8.3/10 (74575 votes)
            35 Third Man, The (1949)             8.3/10 (9952 votes)
            36 Boot, Das (1981)             8.3/10 (15312 votes)
            37 Fight Club (1999)             8.3/10 (51464 votes)
            38 L.A. Confidential (1997)             8.3/10 (40218 votes)
            39 Paths of Glory (1957)             8.3/10 (6829 votes)
            40 Wo hu cang long (2000)             8.3/10 (31689 votes)
            41 Requiem for a Dream (2000)             8.3/10 (16523 votes)
            42 Saving Private Ryan (1998)             8.3/10 (56687 votes)
            43 Chinatown (1974)             8.3/10 (13872 votes)
            44 Bridge on the River Kwai, The (1957)             8.3/10 (12578 votes)
            45 Maltese Falcon, The (1941)             8.3/10 (11598 votes)
            46 M (1931)             8.2/10 (5937 votes)
            47 All About Eve (1950)             8.2/10 (6917 votes)
            48 Singin' in the Rain (1952)             8.2/10 (11294 votes)
            49 Double Indemnity (1944)             8.2/10 (5978 votes)
            50 Raging Bull (1980)             8.2/10 (13865 votes)
            51 Wizard of Oz, The (1939)             8.2/10 (22017 votes)
            52 Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)             8.2/10 (32635 votes)
            53 Vita è bella, La (1997)             8.2/10 (22381 votes)
            54 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)             8.2/10 (38904 votes)
            55 Manchurian Candidate, The (1962)             8.2/10 (7507 votes)
            56 American History X (1998)             8.2/10 (26808 votes)
            57 Se7en (1995)             8.2/10 (44918 votes)
            58 Sixth Sense, The (1999)             8.2/10 (51378 votes)
            59 C'era una volta il West (1969)             8.2/10 (6085 votes)
            60 Alien (1979)             8.2/10 (34660 votes)
            61 Touch of Evil (1958)             8.2/10 (6566 votes)
            62 Sting, The (1973)             8.2/10 (13254 votes)
            63 Toy Story 2 (1999)             8.2/10 (20971 votes)
            64 Clockwork Orange, A (1971)             8.2/10 (35241 votes)
            65 Rashomon (1950)             8.2/10 (5588 votes)
            66 Léon (1994)             8.1/10 (25777 votes)
            67 Treasure of the Sierra Madre, The (1948)             8.1/10 (5929 votes)
            68 Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939)             8.1/10 (6470 votes)
            69 Reservoir Dogs (1992)             8.1/10 (34276 votes)
            70 Jaws (1975)             8.1/10 (26059 votes)
            71 Braveheart (1995)             8.1/10 (52485 votes)
            72 Annie Hall (1977)             8.1/10 (11581 votes)
            73 Great Escape, The (1963)             8.1/10 (10177 votes)
            74 Blade Runner (1982)             8.1/10 (45685 votes)
            75 Fargo (1996)             8.1/10 (39065 votes)
            76 Amadeus (1984)             8.1/10 (21515 votes)
            77 On the Waterfront (1954)             8.1/10 (6447 votes)
            78 Ran (1985)             8.1/10 (6198 votes)
            79 Aliens (1986)             8.1/10 (37749 votes)
            80 Lola rennt (1998)             8.1/10 (16856 votes)
            81 Duck Soup (1933)             8.1/10 (5558 votes)
            82 Apartment, The (1960)             8.1/10 (5710 votes)
            83 Modern Times (1936)             8.1/10 (5241 votes)
            84 High Noon (1952)             8.1/10 (6672 votes)
            85 Princess Bride, The (1987)             8.1/10 (32519 votes)
            86 Shining, The (1980)             8.1/10 (26006 votes)
            87 Strangers on a Train (1951)             8.1/10 (5336 votes)
            88 Minority Report (2002)             8.0/10 (12627 votes)
            89 City Lights (1931)             8.0/10 (4161 votes)
            90 General, The (1927)             8.0/10 (3589 votes)
            91 Shrek (2001)             8.0/10 (27052 votes)
            92 Searchers, The (1956)             8.0/10 (5418 votes)
            93 Green Mile, The (1999)             8.0/10 (27719 votes)
            94 Full Metal Jacket (1987)             8.0/10 (24752 votes)
            95 Rebecca (1940)             8.0/10 (6001 votes)
            96 Graduate, The (1967)             8.0/10 (15398 votes)
            97 Deer Hunter, The (1978)             8.0/10 (14633 votes)
            98 Ladri di biciclette (1948)             8.0/10 (3780 votes)
            99 African Queen, The (1951)             8.0/10 (8418 votes)
            100 Glory (1989)             8.0/10 (12923 votes)


            Top 101 - 250

            Rank    Title
            101 Nuovo cinema Paradiso (1988)             8.0/10 (7979 votes)
            102 Sjunde inseglet, Det (1957)             8.0/10 (4519 votes)
            103 Notorious (1946)             8.0/10 (5325 votes)
            104 Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)             8.0/10 (11131 votes)
            105 Metropolis (1927)             8.0/10 (5701 votes)
            106 Big Sleep, The (1946)             8.0/10 (5378 votes)
            107 It Happened One Night (1934)             8.0/10 (4118 votes)
            108 Manhattan (1979)             8.0/10 (6822 votes)
            109 Great Dictator, The (1940)             8.0/10 (4633 votes)
            110 Ben-Hur (1959)             8.0/10 (11724 votes)
            111 Almost Famous (2000)             8.0/10 (19178 votes)
            112 Mulholland Dr. (2001)             8.0/10 (11552 votes)
            113 Philadelphia Story, The (1940)             8.0/10 (6027 votes)
            114 Patton (1970)             8.0/10 (7753 votes)
            115 Straight Story, The (1999)             8.0/10 (6821 votes)
            116 Best Years of Our Lives, The (1946)             8.0/10 (3318 votes)
            117 Being John Malkovich (1999)             8.0/10 (27933 votes)
            118 Cool Hand Luke (1967)             7.9/10 (7794 votes)
            119 Donnie Darko (2001)             7.9/10 (6324 votes)
            120 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)             7.9/10 (48885 votes)
            121 Monsters, Inc. (2001)             7.9/10 (13069 votes)
            122 Yojimbo (1961)             7.9/10 (3914 votes)
            123 Bringing Up Baby (1938)             7.9/10 (4934 votes)
            124 Grapes of Wrath, The (1940)             7.9/10 (4268 votes)
            125 Christmas Story, A (1983)             7.9/10 (10675 votes)
            126 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)             7.9/10 (42338 votes)
            127 Mononoke Hime (1997)             7.9/10 (8289 votes)
            128 Young Frankenstein (1974)             7.9/10 (12153 votes)
            129 Road to Perdition (2002)             7.9/10 (5538 votes)
            130 Festen (1998)             7.9/10 (6646 votes)
            131 Insider, The (1999)             7.9/10 (15114 votes)
            132 Night of the Hunter, The (1955)             7.9/10 (3715 votes)
            133 Wild Bunch, The (1969)             7.9/10 (6110 votes)
            134 Arsenic and Old Lace (1944)             7.9/10 (6338 votes)
            135 Gladiator (2000)             7.9/10 (50779 votes)
            136 Gone with the Wind (1939)             7.9/10 (16847 votes)
            137 All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)             7.9/10 (3498 votes)
            138 Traffic (2000)             7.9/10 (23058 votes)
            139 Forrest Gump (1994)             7.9/10 (48578 votes)
            140 Unforgiven (1992)             7.9/10 (16714 votes)
            141 Conversation, The (1974)             7.9/10 (5249 votes)
            142 Magnolia (1999)             7.9/10 (22776 votes)
            143 Hustler, The (1961)             7.9/10 (4367 votes)
            144 Die Hard (1988)             7.9/10 (33486 votes)
            145 Others, The (2001)             7.9/10 (14844 votes)
            146 Elephant Man, The (1980)             7.9/10 (8414 votes)
            147 Stalag 17 (1953)             7.9/10 (3591 votes)
            148 Platoon (1986)             7.9/10 (18298 votes)
            149 Sling Blade (1996)             7.9/10 (12720 votes)
            150 Grande illusion, La (1937)             7.9/10 (2709 votes)
            151 Spartacus (1960)             7.9/10 (9038 votes)
            152 His Girl Friday (1940)             7.9/10 (3478 votes)
            153 Streetcar Named Desire, A (1951)             7.9/10 (5018 votes)
            154 Gold Rush, The (1925)             7.9/10 (3347 votes)
            155 Bronenosets Potyomkin (1925)             7.8/10 (2794 votes)
            156 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)             7.8/10 (34437 votes)
            157 Toy Story (1995)             7.8/10 (26693 votes)
            158 Brazil (1985)             7.8/10 (18408 votes)
            159 Exorcist, The (1973)             7.8/10 (17419 votes)
            160 Trois couleurs: Rouge (1994)             7.8/10 (5980 votes)
            161 Once Upon a Time in America (1984)             7.8/10 (8137 votes)
            162 Beautiful Mind, A (2001)             7.8/10 (17492 votes)
            163 Back to the Future (1985)             7.8/10 (37617 votes)
            164 Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (1966)             7.8/10 (3975 votes)
            165 Night at the Opera, A (1935)             7.8/10 (3268 votes)
            166 Quatre cents coups, Les (1959)             7.8/10 (3086 votes)
            167 Life of Brian (1979)             7.8/10 (18220 votes)
            168 Witness for the Prosecution (1957)             7.8/10 (2568 votes)
            169 Right Stuff, The (1983)             7.8/10 (7875 votes)
            170 Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The (1962)             7.8/10 (3695 votes)
            171 Charade (1963)             7.8/10 (4235 votes)
            172 Moulin Rouge! (2001)             7.8/10 (23925 votes)
            173 Killing, The (1956)             7.8/10 (3118 votes)
            174 Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens (1922)             7.8/10 (3883 votes)
            175 Todo sobre mi madre (1999)             7.8/10 (6528 votes)
            176 Adventures of Robin Hood, The (1938)             7.8/10 (3615 votes)
            177 All the President's Men (1976)             7.8/10 (7232 votes)
            178 Midnight Cowboy (1969)             7.8/10 (7118 votes)
            179 Terminator, The (1984)             7.8/10 (31966 votes)
            180 Stand by Me (1986)             7.8/10 (17351 votes)
            181 Twelve Monkeys (1995)             7.8/10 (35981 votes)
            182 Amores perros (2000)             7.8/10 (4957 votes)
            183 Shadow of a Doubt (1943)             7.8/10 (2672 votes)
            184 Henry V (1989)             7.8/10 (5477 votes)
            185 Iron Giant, The (1999)             7.8/10 (7575 votes)
            186 Snatch. (2000)             7.8/10 (18966 votes)
            187 Dog Day Afternoon (1975)             7.8/10 (7073 votes)
            188 This Is Spinal Tap (1984)             7.8/10 (10361 votes)
            189 Ghost World (2001)             7.8/10 (7350 votes)
            190 Smultronstället (1957)             7.8/10 (2235 votes)
            191 Spider-Man (2002)             7.7/10 (23984 votes)
            192 Die xue shuang xiong (1989)             7.7/10 (4810 votes)
            193 Day the Earth Stood Still, The (1951)             7.7/10 (5497 votes)
            194 Bonnie and Clyde (1967)             7.7/10 (6534 votes)
            195 Rain Man (1988)             7.7/10 (24814 votes)
            196 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998)             7.7/10 (16455 votes)
            197 Trainspotting (1996)             7.7/10 (29347 votes)
            198 Ed Wood (1994)             7.7/10 (11193 votes)
            199 Network (1976)             7.7/10 (5002 votes)
            200 Gandhi (1982)             7.7/10 (8900 votes)
            201 Good Will Hunting (1997)             7.7/10 (36127 votes)
            202 Roman Holiday (1953)             7.7/10 (4708 votes)
            203 Harvey (1950)             7.7/10 (4175 votes)
            204 Miller's Crossing (1990)             7.7/10 (7198 votes)
            205 Laura (1944)             7.7/10 (2563 votes)
            206 Lion in Winter, The (1968)             7.7/10 (3128 votes)
            207 O Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000)             7.7/10 (18670 votes)
            208 Man Who Wasn't There, The (2001)             7.7/10 (7140 votes)
            209 Strada, La (1954)             7.7/10 (2486 votes)
            210 Signs (2002)             7.7/10 (8406 votes)
            211 Untouchables, The (1987)             7.7/10 (16531 votes)
            212 Stagecoach (1939)             7.7/10 (2971 votes)
            213 Fantasia (1940)             7.7/10 (8937 votes)
            214 King Kong (1933)             7.7/10 (5281 votes)
            215 39 Steps, The (1935)             7.7/10 (3975 votes)
            216 Clerks. (1994)             7.7/10 (22932 votes)
            217 Quiet Man, The (1952)             7.7/10 (4160 votes)
            218 Groundhog Day (1993)             7.7/10 (23296 votes)
            219 MASH (1970)             7.7/10 (9083 votes)
            220 Deliverance (1972)             7.7/10 (8001 votes)
            221 E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982)             7.7/10 (24789 votes)
            222 Rio Bravo (1959)             7.7/10 (3806 votes)
            223 To Be or Not to Be (1942)             7.7/10 (1613 votes)
            224 Being There (1979)             7.7/10 (6020 votes)
            225 Royal Tenenbaums, The (2001)             7.7/10 (12016 votes)
            226 Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)             7.7/10 (15662 votes)
            227 You Can Count on Me (2000)             7.7/10 (4329 votes)
            228 Sweet Hereafter, The (1997)             7.7/10 (6095 votes)
            229 Beauty and the Beast (1991)             7.7/10 (13425 votes)
            230 Jean de Florette (1986)             7.7/10 (3546 votes)
            231 Planet of the Apes (1968)             7.7/10 (10652 votes)
            232 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)             7.7/10 (7540 votes)
            233 Birds, The (1963)             7.7/10 (10831 votes)
            234 Killing Fields, The (1984)             7.7/10 (5505 votes)
            235 From Here to Eternity (1953)             7.7/10 (3262 votes)
            236 In the Heat of the Night (1967)             7.7/10 (3315 votes)
            237 Black Hawk Down (2001)             7.7/10 (12998 votes)
            238 Da hong deng long gao gao gua (1991)             7.6/10 (2477 votes)
            239 My Fair Lady (1964)             7.6/10 (7731 votes)
            240 Dancer in the Dark (2000)             7.6/10 (8248 votes)
            241 Truman Show, The (1998)             7.6/10 (38142 votes)
            242 Man Who Would Be King, The (1975)             7.6/10 (4602 votes)
            243 Fugitive, The (1993)             7.6/10 (31964 votes)
            244 Crimes and Misdemeanors (1989)             7.6/10 (4533 votes)
            245 Thin Man, The (1934)             7.6/10 (2344 votes)
            246 8 1/2 (1963)             7.6/10 (3894 votes)
            247 Red River (1948)             7.6/10 (1749 votes)
            248 Player, The (1992)             7.6/10 (9376 votes)
            249 Big Lebowski, The (1998)             7.6/10 (23217 votes)
            250 JFK (1991)             7.6/10 (14527 votes)


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            Group: pota Message: 20454 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/27/2002
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                I'll get it on DVD; I think it's by the people that did the "Citizen Kane" DVD. I don't remember if I saw it before "Apes". I remember I was kind of hot for it when the remake came out in '76. - - Jeff
               
               
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              Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong

              Well, here's something else they have in Britian that we don't here, but I'm sure it's not restored.

                                     

              Now here's a Poll question:  How many of you were fans of KONG before or after you saw POTA?  How many of you would get it on DVD?

              Remember, KING KONG was Arthur P. Jacobs favorite movie.

              -- Rory

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              Group: pota Message: 20455 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/27/2002
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              School's started again?! You're joking, right? Oh, next week's September.
              Where does the time go?- - - Wistful Jeff


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              > In a message dated 8/27/02 3:50:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
              Haristas@...
              > writes:
              >
              > << CheeseGOTAS! You're still around. Haven't heard from you in a while.
              > >>
              >
              > Oh yeah, I'm still around. I may not post as much, but I still read most
              of
              > the posts. Anyway, since school has started again, I'll be posting more
              > because my life won't be as frantic as it was during the summer.
              >
              > -Joe
              >
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                   By the way, Peter Jackson of "Lord of the rings" fame, says he'd still like to do a new "Kong", his most influential movie. With his new clout don't be surprised if you hear the pattering of little Kong feet soon. - Jeff
                 
                 
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                When I was  a kid, I loved the original and I was first in line for the 1977 remake. I kind of feel like I've seen it so often since then and I had it on VHS, I doubt I'd bother with it on DVD unless it has really cool extras.
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                Well, here's something else they have in Britian that we don't here, but I'm sure it's not restored.

                                       

                Now here's a Poll question:  How many of you were fans of KONG before or after you saw POTA?  How many of you would get it on DVD?

                Remember, KING KONG was Arthur P. Jacobs favorite movie.

                -- Rory

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                Group: pota Message: 20457 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/27/2002
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                  I have the 30th Anniversary (or something) VHS 0of "Kong", where you press his stomach and he roars. That was like 8 years ago and it still works. THAT'S cool packaging! Etc. - - - Jeff
                 
                 
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                Mad Monster Party has Kong in it ( sort of , and better animated ). Does that count? It's not like the original King Kong is going to be in widescreen or 5.1 sound when it's released on DVD, so the extras would need to be decent..or at least if it's got cool packaging. I'm a sucker for cool packaging. Just got Pulp Fiction from Amazon today, it's nicely packaged.
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                In a message dated 8/27/02 5:13:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:


                When I was  a kid, I loved the original and I was first in line for the 1977 remake. I kind of feel like I've seen it so often since then and I had it on VHS, I doubt I'd bother with it on DVD unless it has really cool extras.



                Didn't that '77 remake suck?  I once saw the original KING KONG in a movie theatre.  It was back in the mid-seventies and it had restored footage in it.  Unfortunately there weren't that many people in the theatre so it was pretty much like seeing it on TV, only bigger.  You sound like an old cynic saying you won't get it on DVD unless it's got cool extras.  Well, I think it will have cool extras.  I expect it'll get the same treatment on DVD that "Citizen Kane" did.

                You buy "Mad Monster Party" but say maybe no to "King Kong"?!!!  You bloody baboon!

                -- Rory
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                In a message dated 8/27/02 9:13:09 PM, whitty@... writes:

                << I actually have 3 really nice original Animation Cels from that
                sequence. >>

                Wow Michael. Can you scan them and share?

                Matt
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                Group: pota Message: 20459 From: whitty@cyberone.com.au Date: 8/27/2002
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                Shall do.

                I have also scanned a page of the Gold Key Comic - I'll post a link
                within the next few days.

                The other day I said I thought the costume on eBay looked like on
                that was sold in the mid 80's. I have scanned a photo of this too -
                it was made by "Illusive Concepts" and cost avout $50US.

                Michael


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                > Wow Michael. Can you scan them and share?
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                Group: pota Message: 20460 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/27/2002
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                Hey I'm in the remake. In the crowd scene at the WTC. I'm 23,362nd
                from the left.


                I was in the crowd scene in Any Given Sunday.  So since Chuck was in that, twice, I could be linked to Kim in one degree in the Kevin Bacon game.  Why Oliver Stone himself pulled me out of a scene.  I'm so proud.
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                Group: pota Message: 20461 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
                Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Interesting petition
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                .htmlIn a message dated 8/27/2002 3:51:04 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:



                << I signed it.  The Sci-Fi Channel started going downhill years ago. >>

                Yeah, it did.  While I was at my grandmas, she was watching The Flintstones
                movie.  I sat down to watch and noticed the Sci Fi logo in the bottom corner.
                "What the hell" is what I thought, and then I went to go play pool
                downstairs.

                -Joe



                CheeseGOTAS!  You're still around.  Haven't heard from you in a while.


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                Group: pota Message: 20462 From: Alexander Ruiz Date: 8/27/2002
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                That sounds good.
                I can't wait to get started on the trailers. A lot of great art work, fan
                made trailers and music videos to be made. Also a site facelift. :o)

                Best.
                Al


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                >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] [OT] So?laris
                >Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:03:35 -0700
                >
                > No, they moved "Solaris" up to November, I think the 21st or 27. I
                >thought
                >Cameron would be bummed out about "Terminator 3" but he's giving them
                >script
                >ideas. Why not? He probably gets a big check as the creator. - - - Jeff
                >
                >
                >----- Original Message -----
                >From: "Alexander Ruiz" <thaderules@...>
                >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                >Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:24 AM
                >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] [OT] So?laris
                >
                >
                > > Speaking of Solaris.
                > > Rumors are the first full trial of Terminator 3 will be shown during the
                > > release of Solaris. But that's Dec. 13th, man, what a bummer!
                > >
                > > Best.
                > > Al
                > >
                > >
                > > >From: <veetus@...>
                > > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                > > >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                > > >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] So?laris
                > > >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 06:57:27 -0700
                > > >
                > > > There's 2 reviews of a preview screening of Fox's next great sci-fi
                > > >remake at www.aintitcool.com . "Solaris" is produced by James Cameron
                > > >(finally reimagining 5 years after he was supposed to do "Apes") and
                > > >directed by Steven Soderbergh (whose first movie he ever remembers
                >seeing
                > > >was the original POTA). The first review is a rave, saying it's
                >thoughtful
                > > >sci-fi he can't get out of his mind, the second says it's pretentious
                > > >pseudo-sci-fi by a Kubrick wanna-be (but compares it to "Eyes Wide
                >Shut",
                > > >not "2001"). We shall see this November, but this is the movie I'm
                >looking
                > > >forward to this winter (this and "Lord of the Rings 2"; the preview on
                >the
                > > >DVD is awesome). - - Jeff
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > From: veetus@...
                > > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                > > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:30 AM
                > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
                > > >different
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Penticle-Man, you are...amazing.
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > From: thypentacle
                > > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                > > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:51 AM
                > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely
                > > >different
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Just some simple HTML source reading to find out the direct link
                >to
                > > >the file. (To view source click 'View' in IE's main menu, then click
                > > >'Source'.) Sometimes you can also get protected pics that have turned
                >off
                > > >right-clicking by putting your mouse pointer over the pic and pushing
                >the
                > > >'Menu' key on a Windows keyboard to pull up the save menu. (The menu
                >key
                >is
                > > >to the right of the space bar between the 'Windows' key and the 'Ctrl'
                > > >key.) Of course if all else fails, you can always press the print
                >screen
                > > >key and paste / crop the image in any image editor. So it's really
                > > >impossible to protect any picture on the internet. Best anyone can do
                >is
                > > >make it slightly difficult. :o)
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Haristas@... wrote:
                > > >
                > > > In a message dated 8/25/02 11:22:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
                > > >thypentacle@... writes:
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Use this link if you want to be able to right-click and save
                >it:
                > > >http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/100535.1020.A.jpg
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Thanks. You gotta tell me how you did that.
                > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
                >Service.
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
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                Group: pota Message: 20463 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/27/2002
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                The other day I said I thought the costume on eBay looked like on
                that was sold in the mid 80's.  I have scanned a photo of this too -
                it was made by "Illusive Concepts" and cost avout $50US.

                Michael

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                Group: pota Message: 20464 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/28/2002
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                .htmlVHS ain't dead yet, but. . . .

                Betamax: R.I.P.
                Sony's Betamax format, in its death throes for years, will finally be allowed to die by the end of the year, the company indicated Tuesday. The format originally dominated the home video market, but, in what experts have described as a classic example of marketing miscalculation, the format lost out to JVC's VHS system when Sony refused to license its technology to other manufacturers. Studios began phasing out home-video releases of their films on Beta in the mid-1980s (coincidentally just as they lost their long-running legal battle with Sony over the right of consumers to record movies and TV shows for their own viewing). Nevertheless, video connoisseurs continued to buy the machines, extolling their superior picture quality and smaller cassettes. But those attributes became moot as digital home-video cameras and DVDs became ever more popular beginning in the late 1990s. A Sony spokesman said Tuesday that digital technologies are fast making all videocassette systems obsolete.



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                Group: pota Message: 20465 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/28/2002
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                Betamax: R.I.P.


                I wonder if my brother still has that copy of POTA on Beta?
                I'd sure like it for my collection.  I'll have to ask him.
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                Group: pota Message: 20466 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/28/2002
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                I signed.
                Everyone!
                Sign it.
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                Group: pota Message: 20467 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/28/2002
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                .htmlchecked www.biography.com .The next showing of "Wonder Years" TVography (with the POTA clip) is Sept. 16. Make of it what you will. - - - Jeff

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                Group: pota Message: 20468 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/28/2002
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                .htmlIn a message dated 8/28/02 5:39:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:


                WTF?  What is this?  What clip?  Wonder Years?  Is this on A&E or BIO?  And what does that Fred Savage bastard have to do with POTA?


                "The Wonder Years" opened their fifth season with an episode titled "The Lake" (Original air date: 10/2/1991).  In it Kevin and Paul go to a drive-in while they're on the end of their summer vacation up at this lake.  There at the drive-in Kevin meets this girl, Cara, and falls deeply in love with her and makes out.  Playing at the drive-in is an APES festival of the first three movies.  You only see bits of PLANET on the screen, but at the concession stand you see posters for BENEATH and ESCAPE.  The episode ends with Kevin going back to the drive-in again the next night, the last night of his summer vacation, and making out with Cara in the front seat of a pickup while on the screen you see Taylor and Nova riding down the beach.  It was SO romantic!  I loved "The Wonder Years" because that kid in it was about my same age at the time the show was supposed to take place.  That drive-in episode is of course my favorite.

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                Group: pota Message: 20469 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/28/2002
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                  Don't you listen? They showed the final scene of POTA at a drive-in on the show, and if you watch that special it has the clip. But Fred Savage isn't as cool as Bud from "Married With Children", who starred with apes in the parody on "The Rerun Show" last week. - Jeff
                 
                 
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                checked www.biography.com .The next showing of "Wonder Years" TVography (with the POTA clip) is Sept. 16. Make of it what you will. - - - Jeff


                WTF?  What is this?  What clip?  Wonder Years?  Is this on A&E or BIO?  And what does that Fred savage bastard have to do with POTA?

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                Group: pota Message: 20470 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/28/2002
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                  Isn't "Escape" kind of late for the time frame of the show? Isn't it supposed to be the '60's? - - Jeff
                 
                 
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                In a message dated 8/28/02 5:39:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:


                WTF?  What is this?  What clip?  Wonder Years?  Is this on A&E or BIO?  And what does that Fred Savage bastard have to do with POTA?


                "The Wonder Years" opened their fifth season with an episode titled "The Lake" (Original air date: 10/2/1991).  In it Kevin and Paul go to a drive-in while they're on the end of their summer vacation up at this lake.  There at the drive-in Kevin meets this girl, Cara, and falls deeply in love with her and makes out.  Playing at the drive-in is an APES festival of the first three movies.  You only see bits of PLANET on the screen, but at the concession stand you see posters for BENEATH and ESCAPE.  The episode ends with Kevin going back to the drive-in again the next night, the last night of his summer vacation, and making out with Cara in the front seat of a pickup while on the screen you see Taylor and Nova riding down the beach.  It was SO romantic!  I loved "The Wonder Years" because that kid in it was about my same age at the time the show was supposed to take place.  That drive-in episode is of course my favorite.

                -- Rory

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                Group: pota Message: 20471 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/28/2002
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                .htmlIn a message dated 8/28/02 11:39:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:


                  Isn't "Escape" kind of late for the time frame of the show? Isn't it supposed to be the '60's? - - Jeff



                No, "The Wonder Years" time frame is from around 1967 to 1972, or '68 to '73.

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                Group: pota Message: 20472 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/29/2002
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                .htmlIn a message dated 8/28/2002 10:39:57 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:


                Isn't "Escape" kind of late for the time frame of the show? Isn't it supposed to be the '60's? - - Jeff

                Actually, the show "did" start out in ' 67 or ' 68.. and went into the ' 70's... I believe Kevin woulda been in the class of ' 74....                <.html
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                Group: pota Message: 20473 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/29/2002
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                .htmlLeo let down great apes?!!!   OH NO!
                DiCaprio Pulls Out of World Summit
                Hollywood hunk Leonardo DiCaprio                 has cancelled an appearance at the World Development Summit - despite calling on American President George W. BUsh to attend. The Beach star, Susan Sarandon, Patrick Stewart and Bob Geldof were all expected in Johannesburg, South Africa for the summit, which started earlier this week. Earth loving Leo was to support a project to save great apes , but pulled out at the last minute because of "contractual obligations" in his native America. At a rally earlier this month, DiCaprio pleaded with Bush to "please go prepared to join the vast majority of nations in constructing a concrete plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions." Organizers of the summit are disappointed at the turnout. They hoped the presence of international celebrities could raise the media profile of the event.





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                Group: pota Message: 20474 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/29/2002
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                  Don't you listen? They showed the final scene of POTA at a drive-in on the show, and if you watch that special it has the clip. But Fred Savage isn't as cool as Bud from "Married With Children", who starred with apes in the parody on "The Rerun Show" last week. - Jeff


                When will that be on again?
                I blame my local TV Guide.  It listed the Brady Bunch one or whatever it was but not MWC or POTA or anything!
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                Group: pota Message: 20475 From: Michael Whitty Date: 8/29/2002
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                OK Here is a link to the Illusive Concepts Costume.
                 
                 
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                Group: pota Message: 20476 From: Michael Whitty Date: 8/29/2002
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                And here is a scan of the Gold Key Comic.
                 
                 
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                Group: pota Message: 20477 From: james611102 Date: 8/29/2002
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                Really cool!!!! Thanks Michael.

                --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
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                > http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/GoldKey1.jpg
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                .htmlIn a message dated 8/29/02 6:14:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:


                And here is a scan of the Gold Key Comic.


                http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/GoldKey1.jpg

                Michael



                Thanks, Mike, for sending that scan it's been so many years since I saw that comic I's forgotten what it looked like.  Gee, I really wish I had one of those again.

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                  OK Here is a link to the Illusive Concepts Costume.


                  http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/Costume.jpg
                  Michael

                                    

                  Well, that's not what was on eBay, but it's close.  When I was 10 I'd have probably wanted that costume very much.  Somewhere I have a photo of me when I was twelve in a Cornelius costume I made for the last Halloween I ever went out on.  If I ever find it I'll post it here.  I won a dollar for it!

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                  Group: pota Message: 20480 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/29/2002
                  Subject: (OT) Long live DVD?
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                  .htmlFirst there was Laser Disc, then DVD, now get ready for the next generation of incredible video discs. . . .

                  (EARLY UPDATE - 8/29/02 - 11:45 AM PDT)

                  The industry wrangling over the shape of the next generation, high-definition DVD format has been "kicked up a notch" today. As many of you know, some in the industry (led by Warner Bros) have been pushing hard for a red-laser based format                  , using discs of similar capacity to today's existing DVD discs, and simply with higher compression to fit high resolution video onto the discs. The idea is that these discs could take advantage of existing manufacturing resources and thus be brought to market faster. Then there is also the Blu-Ray format proposed by Sony and Panasonic, which would take advantage of the finer wavelength of the blue laser and a physical disc capable of storing much greater information.

                  Well, this morning, Toshiba (which was one of the leading companies behind the development of current DVD) and NEC officially announced that they have proposed a different spec to the DVD Forum                   - one also based on the blue laser. According to Toshiba, its format could be ready for launch as early as next year, and the players would be backwards compatible with existing DVD discs. They also claim that the new format could still use existing DVD manufacturing plants. And it would also be ready for video recording (you can read more about this announcement here, here, here and here).

                  What we're starting to see is the development of the kind of format war that resulted in VHS vs. the now defunct Sony Betamax format                  , and the current confusion of DVD-Audio vs. Sony's SACD, which has significantly hurt the move to high-resolution audio.

                  At                   The Digital Bits , we absolutely back a blue-laser based HD-DVD format. In our opinion, if the industry is going to launch an HD-DVD format, they should do it right, rather than simply rushing an inferior red-laser based format to market. But the industry also needs to get its ducks in a row. With current DVD selling like gangbusters, ANY HD-DVD format is going to be a tough sell to consumers who have just made the move from videotape to disc. The success of a unified DVD format and the lack of interest in DVD-Audio and SACD should be a warning. Whichever HD-DVD format is chosen, ONE FORMAT NEEDS TO BE CHOSEN. If two competing HD formats are launched at the same time, HD-DVD will be dead on arrival. Sony, for one, has never shied away from going it alone by launching its own competing formats - think Betamax, DAT and MiniDisc. We've got nothing against Sony or any other manufacturer. But a format war absolutely CAN NOT HAPPEN. So our advice to the industry is to sit down, talk it out and negotiate a single, unified format like they did with standard DVD. Our advice to Hollywood is to then get on board that unified format. And, most importantly, our advice to all of our readers is this: get active, get vocal and DEMAND that a single unified format be chosen. Let the DVD Forum know that you simply won't tolerate a format war.

                  Let me state this bluntly: it's time the entertainment industry and the electronics industry got their shit together. And it's time consumers let them know it.

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                  Group: pota Message: 20481 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/29/2002
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                  .htmlNow here's something that sounds interesting.  Maybe they'll try it in this country. 

                  Choose a Favorite Movie, Then See It at Your Local Theater
                  Sony Pictures Entertainment (Japan) is planning to launch an experiment in Japan next month that will allow moviegoers to select films from Sony's library of classic films and more recent releases and have them shown at a local multiplex at a time that the moviegoers choose, the British trade publication Screen International reported on its website today (Thursday). The experiment, called Dream Theater, will allow moviegoers to select films, venues, and schedules from a Sony website. After 100 to 150 individuals agree on a film, they will then be able to designate a time and place for it to be shown. Screen International pointed out that the concept not only will generate new revenue from Sony's film library but also reduce risk by having a guaranteed audience.



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                  Group: pota Message: 20482 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/29/2002
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                    "The Rerun Show"? I doubt they will repeat it. Summer is over and they have to get on with the "real shows". "Wonder Years" ography? Sept. 16 on A & E. Etc.       - - - Jeff
                   
                   
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                    Don't you listen? They showed the final scene of POTA at a drive-in on the show, and if you watch that special it has the clip. But Fred Savage isn't as cool as Bud from "Married With Children", who starred with apes in the parody on "The Rerun Show" last week. - Jeff


                  When will that be on again?
                  I blame my local TV Guide.  It listed the Brady Bunch one or whatever it was but not MWC or POTA or anything!

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                    It makes me want to go look at my pristine copy. He he he! Thanks, Michael. I might even look at the ape poster, which is still attached. - - - Jeff
                   
                   
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                  In a message dated 8/29/02 6:14:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:


                  And here is a scan of the Gold Key Comic.


                  http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/GoldKey1.jpg

                  Michael



                  Thanks, Mike, for sending that scan it's been so many years since I saw that comic I's forgotten what it looked like.  Gee, I really wish I had one of those again.

                  -- Rory

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                      When I was 10 I had one of those official Cornelius costumes and I wore it in the local Halloween parade. And then in '96, Bill Blake made me Cornelius for real and I did pictures at Century City. But that's beside the point. Etc.              - - - Jeff
                     
                     
                     
                     
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                    In a message dated 8/29/02 6:15:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:


                    OK Here is a link to the Illusive Concepts Costume.


                    http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/Costume.jpg

                    Michael


                                      

                    Well, that's not what was on eBay, but it's close.  When I was 10 I'd have probably wanted that costume very much.  Somewhere I have a photo of me when I was twelve in a Cornelius costume I made for the last Halloween I ever went out on.  If I ever find it I'll post it here.  I won a dollar for it!

                    -- Rory

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                    .htmlIn a message dated 8/29/02 10:31:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:


                    When I was 10 I had one of those official Cornelius costumes and I wore it in the local Halloween parade. And then in '96, Bill Blake made me Cornelius for real and I did pictures at Century City. But that's beside the point. Etc.              - - - Jeff




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                    Group: pota Message: 20486 From: Melkor Date: 8/29/2002
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                    Hello all. I haven't posted in awhile because Yahoo cut me off the POTA
                    list and later when I got back on I was too busy to do anything except lurk.

                    I have a POTA web download repository at http://europa.mooo.com:8080/pota/
                    It has my POTA Power Records mp3 files, the Escape main title (first three
                    minutes of track 18 from the Varese Sarabande CD), and the Escape shopping
                    mp3 and a few jpgs that were previously posted to the group. To download
                    a sound file right click and chose "Save Link As".

                    -Tom


                    Escape_POTA-Main_Title.mp3
                    Escape_POTA-Shopping.mp3
                    Power_Records_Planet_Of_The_Apes-Battle_Of_Two_Worlds.mp3
                    Power_Records_Planet_Of_The_Apes-Battle_POTA_Part1.mp3
                    Power_Records_Planet_Of_The_Apes-Battle_POTA_Part2.mp3
                    Power_Records_Planet_Of_The_Apes-Dawn_Of_The_Tree_People.mp3
                    Power_Records_Planet_Of_The_Apes-Mountain_Of_The_Delphi.mp3
                    Power_Records_Planet_Of_The_Apes-Volcano.mp3
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                    Group: pota Message: 20487 From: whitty@cyberone.com.au Date: 8/29/2002
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                    The one I scanned is my spare that I am donating to a fellow ape fan.

                    I too have a pristine, poster attached version. I think I will leave
                    that one in the wrappr and read the spares....

                    Michael

                    --- <veetus@...> wrote:
                    > It makes me want to go look at my pristine copy. He he he!
                    Thanks, Michae
                    > l. I might even look at the ape poster, which is still attached. - -
                    - Jeff
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                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Haristas@...
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                    > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:45 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Gold Key Comic
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                    > In a message dated 8/29/02 6:14:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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                    > one.com.au writes:
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                    > And here is a scan of the Gold Key Comic.
                    >
                    > http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/GoldKey1.jpg
                    >
                    > Michael
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                    >
                    >
                    > Thanks, Mike, for sending that scan it's been so many years since
                    I saw t
                    > hat comic I's forgotten what it looked like. Gee, I really wish I
                    had one
                    > of those again.
                    >
                    > -- Rory
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                    Group: pota Message: 20488 From: MTotsky@aol.com Date: 8/30/2002
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                    Thanks for scanning Michael. I may have to pick one of those up some day.

                    Matt
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                    .htmlYikes!  What an embarrassment.  Why did this guy have to have anything toi do with APES?

                    'Batman' Film Director to Become 'Batman' Stage Director
                    Tim Burton                    , who directed the original Batman movie in 1989 and the sequel, Batman Returns, in 1992, has agreed to direct Batman: The Musical! on Broadway, the New York Post reported today (Friday), citing theater sources. Jim Steinman, who composed the music for the show, told the newspaper: "We're thrilled he's going to do it. David [Ives, who wrote the libretto] and I floundered around for a year trying to figure out how to musicalize Batman. Then we looked at Tim's original movie and thought, that's it." The Post quoted sources as saying that the music will cost at least $15 million to mount. Plans are to open it out of town in 2004 and on Broadway the following year



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                    Group: pota Message: 20490 From: Alexander Ruiz Date: 8/30/2002
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                    I'm burnin up a batch of Battle DVDs this weekend.
                    Be expecting Battle in your mail soon.
                    You too, Cougar.

                    Best.
                    Al

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                    Group: pota Message: 20491 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/30/2002
                    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New "Pulp Fiction" DVD (OT)
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                    What's this about a "new" Pulp Fiction DVD?  Is there a 5 star edition or a
                    director's cut or something???


                    Tarantino says he doesn't need a directors cut, because he made the movie he wanted to the first time.
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                    Group: pota Message: 20492 From: Michael Whitty Date: 8/30/2002
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                    Well now could be a good time - prices of POTA Collectibles have hit rock
                    bottom.

                    Michael

                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: MTotsky@... [MTotsky@...]
                    > Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 23:54
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                    > Thanks for scanning Michael. I may have to pick one of those up some day.
                    >
                    > Matt
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                    Group: pota Message: 20493 From: Michael Whitty Date: 8/30/2002
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                    I'd love to see that.
                     
                    Yes, looking at the ebay costume more closely it is certainly not this one, but I still think it looks even less like a normal background costume.
                     
                    Michael
                     
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                    From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
                    Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 10:51
                    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Gorilla Costume

                    In a message dated 8/29/02 6:15:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:


                    OK Here is a link to the Illusive Concepts Costume.


                    http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/Costume.jpg

                    Michael
                    Well, that's not what was on eBay, but it's close.  When I was 10 I'd have probably wanted that costume very much.  Somewhere I have a photo of me when I was twelve in a Cornelius costume I made for the last Halloween I ever went out on.  If I ever find it I'll post it here.  I won a dollar for it!

                    -- Rory
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                    Group: pota Message: 20494 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/30/2002
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                    .htmlIn a message dated 8/30/02 7:32:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:


                    Well now could be a good time - prices of POTA Collectibles have hit rock
                    bottom.

                    Michael



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                    Group: pota Message: 20495 From: Michael Whitty Date: 8/30/2002
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                    That's correct Rory (as usual!).
                     
                    If it was a good movie the prices would have skyrocketed.
                     
                    Oh well.
                     
                    Michael
                     
                    -----Original Message-----
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                    Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2002 10:59
                    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Gold Key Comic

                    In a message dated 8/30/02 7:32:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:


                    Well now could be a good time - prices of POTA Collectibles have hit rock
                    bottom.

                    Michael



                    We have the lasting qualities of POTA 2001 to thank for that!

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                      .htmlHere's a cool bunch of APES cards now on eBay.

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                          .htmlWhat do you folks think of the colors on this original PLANET poster (called a window card)?  This is one of the ugliest, I think.

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                          Group: pota Message: 20499 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 8/30/2002
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                            Sure its ugly, but it's groovy at the same time.
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                            What do you folks think of the colors on this original PLANET poster (called a window card)?  This is one of the ugliest, I think.

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                            Group: pota Message: 20500 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/30/2002
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                              Very funny, Rory. You made that up. But you of all people, bothering to make elaborate jokes about Tim Burton, of all people. But I heard Elfman is writing an opera based on "Edward Scissorhands", and Michael Keaton said at Cannes that Burton wants to do a sequel to "Beetlejuice". In short, after "Mars Attacks" and POTA, Burton is in the toilet. Maybe he wants to remind everybody he used to be good. - - Jeff
                             
                             
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                            Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Burton on Broadway

                            Yikes!  What an embarrassment.  Why did this guy have to have anything toi do with APES?

                            'Batman' Film Director to Become 'Batman' Stage Director
                            Tim Burton                            , who directed the original Batman movie in 1989 and the sequel, Batman Returns, in 1992, has agreed to direct Batman: The Musical! on Broadway, the New York Post reported today (Friday), citing theater sources. Jim Steinman, who composed the music for the show, told the newspaper: "We're thrilled he's going to do it. David [Ives, who wrote the libretto] and I floundered around for a year trying to figure out how to musicalize Batman. Then we looked at Tim's original movie and thought, that's it." The Post quoted sources as saying that the music will cost at least $15 million to mount. Plans are to open it out of town in 2004 and on Broadway the following year





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                            Group: pota Message: 20501 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/30/2002
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                              Is that true? How is old "Spiderman" stuff doing? Or does a hit movie (or a mediocre one) glut the market with new stuff and make the old stuff not so special? - - - Jeff
                             
                             
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                            Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Collectibles

                            That's correct Rory (as usual!).
                             
                            If it was a good movie the prices would have skyrocketed.
                             
                            Oh well.
                             
                            Michael
                             
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                            In a message dated 8/30/02 7:32:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:


                            Well now could be a good time - prices of POTA Collectibles have hit rock
                            bottom.

                            Michael



                            We have the lasting qualities of POTA 2001 to thank for that!

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                                Good 'ol Roddy. He always signed, "All best". - - Jeff
                               
                               
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                              Here's a cool bunch of APES cards now on eBay.

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                                  No, I don't think he does. He doesn't have DVD. When he was writing the book an earthquake had ruined his VCR and he had to watch the "Ape" movies at a friend's house to take notes. Probably buying that just to collect it, like a poster (his collection is awesome, but he's very shy about showing it). - - Jeff
                                 
                                 
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                                Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1559065939 (Ends Sep-03-02 19:25:25 PDT ) - Planet Of The

                                Look who's got the current high bid on this item.  Hey Jeff, does he own a player?


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                                    Looks like a comic book. - - - Jeff
                                   
                                   
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                                  What do you folks think of the colors on this original PLANET poster (called a window card)?  This is one of the ugliest, I think.

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                                  Or you could always visit the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland when they redecorate it "A Nightmare before Xmas" style for Halloween.
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                                  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 1:34 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Burton on Broadway

                                    Very funny, Rory. You made that up. But you of all people, bothering to make elaborate jokes about Tim Burton, of all people. But I heard Elfman is writing an opera based on "Edward Scissorhands", and Michael Keaton said at Cannes that Burton wants to do a sequel to "Beetlejuice". In short, after "Mars Attacks" and POTA, Burton is in the toilet. Maybe he wants to remind everybody he used to be good. - - Jeff
                                   
                                   
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                                  Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:04 PM
                                  Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Burton on Broadway

                                  Yikes!  What an embarrassment.  Why did this guy have to have anything toi do with APES?

                                  'Batman' Film Director to Become 'Batman' Stage Director
                                  Tim Burton                                  , who directed the original Batman movie in 1989 and the sequel, Batman Returns, in 1992, has agreed to direct Batman: The Musical! on Broadway, the New York Post reported today (Friday), citing theater sources. Jim Steinman, who composed the music for the show, told the newspaper: "We're thrilled he's going to do it. David [Ives, who wrote the libretto] and I floundered around for a year trying to figure out how to musicalize Batman. Then we looked at Tim's original movie and thought, that's it." The Post quoted sources as saying that the music will cost at least $15 million to mount. Plans are to open it out of town in 2004 and on Broadway the following year





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                                  Group: pota Message: 20506 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 8/31/2002
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                                    According to www.amazon.com, the Prima video game manual to POTA has been postponed to August 2003. It was supposed to come out with the video game in 2001, then it got postponed until, I think, Sept. 2002. Now it's another year. I guess the question is, "Why bother?" Apparently the game flopped and why exactly would they have to postpone it? How hard is it to make a manual? It's not like writing a "Harry Potter" book (obviously that's hard). I was looking forward to the book and would probably buy it if it came out next year as a collectible. But it's looking like this is going to peter out and never get published. Etc.             - - - Jeff
                                   
                                   
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                                  Yikes!  What an embarrassment.  Why did this guy have to have anything toi do with APES?

                                  'Batman' Film Director to Become 'Batman' Stage Director
                                  Tim Burton                                  , who directed the original Batman movie in 1989 and the sequel, Batman Returns, in 1992, has agreed to direct Batman: The Musical! on Broadway, the New York Post reported today (Friday), citing theater sources. Jim Steinman, who composed the music for the show, told the newspaper: "We're thrilled he's going to do it. David [Ives, who wrote the libretto] and I floundered around for a year trying to figure out how to musicalize Batman. Then we looked at Tim's original movie and thought, that's it." The Post quoted sources as saying that the music will cost at least $15 million to mount. Plans are to open it out of town in 2004 and on Broadway the following year





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                                  Group: pota Message: 20507 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 8/31/2002
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                                  --- In pota@y..., thypentacle <thypentacle@y...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Just thought I'd jump in here and say that faster than light travel would be impossible using conventional engines like those seen on the back of the ship in POTA. Only way I see such travel working would be thru the use of engines like those seen in Star Trek. They warp or bend space in such a way that the increase in mass would not be a problem cause the ship is actually not traveling faster than light, more like half the speed of light, but the engines sort of squeeze the space in between point A and B to be closer together so the travel speed seems to be of great speed. (1000-10000 times faster than light) I guess that's why they call them 'Warp' engines. ;o)
                                  > ThyPentacle ~Star Trek technobabble expert.
                                  >
                                  > Haristas@a... wrote:In a message dated 8/25/02 12:49:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
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                                  > Thus, Landon's persistent doubts as to the truth of Hasslein's Theory of Time in a vehicle travelling nearly the speed of light are unfounded, and Taylor is well within his rights to declare the "hypothesis" to be "a fact".
                                  >
                                  > And you all (you too, Rory) can "buy it" and "sleep better" tonight.
                                  >
                                  > Patrick Michael Tilton
                                  > EARTH-TIME 8-25-2002
                                  >
                                  > All that just to get to this, Patrick. You are the King of Verbosity. Anyway, you're forgetting one thing, Patrick -- the phsyical impossibility of human beings traveling at near-light speed. I believe I'm correct in stating that we couldn't hope to survive the increase in mass.
                                  >
                                  > Also, what do you think (briefly please) of Boulle using Betelgeuse in his book? A highly unlikely place to find an earth-like planet don't you think?
                                  >
                                  > -- Rory

                                  *** The relativistic increase in Mass is more of a perceived problem:
                                  as "seen" by the stay-at-homes on Earth, the astronauts in their
                                  spaceship "seem" to have a higher mass, but this is actually a
                                  function of their higher velocity, which increases their kinetic
                                  energy--and it is the higher energy factor which has to be accounted
                                  for. Remember, Mass and Energy are equivalent in Einstein's theory--
                                  just different forms of the same thing. It's not as if each molecule/
                                  atom/subatomic particle in the astronauts' bodies "clones" itself to
                                  "increase the Mass". That would be rather absurd.
                                  The third effect of relativistic velocity (aside from Time Dilation
                                  and Mass Increase) is "Length Contraction", which doesn't REALLY
                                  happen--it's just what APPEARS to happen from the perspective of the
                                  Earthbound observer. From the perspective of the astronauts on the
                                  accelerated ship, the Mass Increase and Length Contraction are not
                                  perceptible (i.e. they don't feel "more massive" or "skinnier" at
                                  their higher velocity: imagine an astronaut doing somersaults inside
                                  the ship--would he be alternately SKINNIER, then SHORTER, then
                                  SKINNIER, then SHORTER, etc.?)--yet the Time Dilation effect IS
                                  perceptible, since it directly relates the flow of time that they
                                  experience ("SHIP-TIME") with the rate of Time in the unaccelerated
                                  medium/"frame-of-reference" of the Universe in which they are
                                  travelling in and from which they started accelerating in ("EARTH-
                                  TIME").
                                  So, it isn't really impossible physically to travel at "nearly the
                                  speed of light" according to Einstein's theory of Relativity; only
                                  travelling AT or FASTER THAN lightspeed is impossible. Keep in mind,
                                  though, that in the POTA films we're not dealing with Einstein's
                                  theory--we're dealing with HASSLEIN's theory, which must be similar to
                                  Einstein's in some way (i.e. "Time in a vehicle travelling nearly the
                                  speed of light" etc.), yet must be different than it in some way,
                                  otherwise Taylor would have mentioned "according to Einstein's theory"
                                  instead of "Hasslein's theory". As ThyPentacle suggests, this
                                  "Hassleinian" variation of Relativity is most probably due to the ANSA
                                  propulsion system utilizing some sort of SpaceTime warping effect,
                                  which is still affected by Time Dilation effects. In prior postings,
                                  when I went into some detail describing "my scenario" (which James
                                  insists "nobody gives a rat's ass about"), I describe such a
                                  "Hassleinian hyperdrive" engine and its method of warping SpaceTime in
                                  such a way as to produce the ShipTime/EarthTime chronometer readings
                                  we've seen in the POTA saga. I won't repeat all that here, to spare
                                  you any further "verbosity".

                                  In regards to Boulle's use of Betelgeuse as the star around which
                                  Soror revolves, yeah, I agree it's not a likely place to find any
                                  Earth-like planet. The palpitations I described earlier (which Boulle
                                  himself described) would wreak havoc on the biospheres of any planet
                                  within its "lifezone". Every star has a "lifezone" around it, where
                                  the temperature is neither too hot nor too cold, but when a supergiant
                                  like Betelgeuse undergoes its rhythmic palpitations the lifezone
                                  itself would palpitate accordingly, yet the elliptical orbits of any
                                  planets in the system would NOT be able to adjust to this phenomenon,
                                  since their orbital paths are around the center of gravity
                                  ("barycenter") of the star at the focus of the ellipse.
                                  So, I wouldn't say it's totally impossible to find a habitable planet
                                  orbiting Betelgeuse... but it's pretty damned unlikely. And I sure as
                                  hell wouldn't want to be around when that star ran out of hydrogen to
                                  burn: when it goes Supernova... YOWZAH! Of course, even here on Earth,
                                  some 300+ lightyears away, even WE will have a bad time of it if
                                  Betelgeuse explodes in our lifetime.

                                  Patrick
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                                  Group: pota Message: 20508 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 8/31/2002
                                  Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "They bear out Hasslein's Hypothesis..."
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                                  --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > and "sleep better" tonight.
                                  > >
                                  > > Patrick Michael Tilton
                                  > > EARTH-TIME 8-25-2002
                                  >
                                  > There is no better sleep aid than reading your posts.

                                  *** And there is no better laxative than reading yours. Touché!

                                  Patrick
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                                  Group: pota Message: 20509 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 8/31/2002
                                  Subject: Re: So?laris
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                                  --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
                                  > There's 2 reviews of a preview screening of Fox's next great sci-fi remake at www.aintitcool.com . "Solaris" is produced by James Cameron (finally reimagining 5 years after he was supposed to do "Apes") and directed by Steven Soderbergh (whose first movie he ever remembers seeing was the original POTA). The first review is a rave, saying it's thoughtful sci-fi he can't get out of his mind, the second says it's pretentious pseudo-sci-fi by a Kubrick wanna-be (but compares it to "Eyes Wide Shut", not "2001"). We shall see this November, but this is the movie I'm looking forward to this winter (this and "Lord of the Rings 2"; the preview on the DVD is awesome). - - Jeff

                                  *** I find it hard to believe that the Cameron/Soderbergh version of
                                  "SOLARIS" could be anywhere near as pretentiously, boringly BAD as the
                                  first filmed version. It's been said that only the terrible films
                                  should be remade, since the great flicks don't NEED remaking, so I'm
                                  not against a second film version of Stanislaw Lem's novel. But this
                                  new flick better not be just "better" than that horrid Russkie waste-
                                  of-time: it better be watchable, dammit!
                                  My hopes aren't up that high, though, since it's evident that Cameron
                                  LIKED that crappy Russian "epic"--the so-called "Russian 2001"! Ye
                                  gadz!
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                                  Group: pota Message: 20510 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 8/31/2002
                                  Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) More DVD news
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                                  --- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
                                  > Rory,
                                  >
                                  > Do you ever hear anything about when classic Looney Tunes are coming out =
                                  on DVD? Or some of the Tex Avery MGM stuff? Where's a good place to find thi=
                                  s info?
                                  >
                                  > Off-Topic Matt

                                  *** Especially those "forbidden" Looney Tunes "colored" classics, like
                                  "So White and de Sebben Dwarves". Without a doubt, it was the funniest
                                  damn cartoon ever made... but the NAACP has no sense of humor, and
                                  Turner is afraid to let it be seen. But even Leonard Maltin agrees
                                  that despite its "racy" take on Disney's film, it's probably the best
                                  old Looney Tune ever made. Tex Avery's "Uncle Tom's Cabaña" ranks
                                  right up there, too--if you saw Jim Carrey's "THE MASK", you'll see
                                  where they got the idea for the nightclub scene...
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                                  Group: pota Message: 20511 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 8/31/2002
                                  Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) R.I.P.
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                                  --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > Betamax: R.I.P.
                                  >
                                  > I wonder if my brother still has that copy of POTA on Beta?
                                  > I'd sure like it for my collection. I'll have to ask him.

                                  *** I have an old copy of "BENEATH" on Beta. Unlike the later VHS
                                  version, this Beta issue has a different pan-&-scan on it: when Brent
                                  asks Nova "Can you talk?" he uses the ASL sign for "talk", twirling
                                  his finger in front of his mouth. The widescreen version, of course,
                                  has all of this easily visible, yet the VHS version crops out Brent on
                                  the left, so you could never see him signing as he spoke... yet the
                                  Beta version cropped out Nova on the right side of the screen instead.
                                  There were a couple other differences, too--such as when Cornelius
                                  rolls his eyes after Zira makes a spectacle of herself during the
                                  Citizens' Council scene. Cornelius' rolling-eyes are cropped out of
                                  one version, but not in the other.
                                  Now that the APES flicks are all out in widescreen, this old copy of
                                  BENEATH on Beta is really only a collector's item, but it's still nice
                                  to have. For about 2 or 3 years it was the only way I could watch any
                                  POTA flick without waiting for some TV station to run it on the late
                                  show. I have no idea what it's worth, but--lest anybody try to get me
                                  to sell it--sorry, folks, it ain't for sale.

                                  BTW, the first VHS release of BENEATH had a mistake on it: the sound
                                  dubbing during the "Lawgiver Vision in the Forbidden Zone" scene was
                                  all messed up. The sounds of the flames & the falling statue continued
                                  on after the illusion-crash, and the only way I knew it was a gaffe
                                  was because I had BENEATH on Beta! I showed the two versions to the
                                  guy who ran the video rental store (back then, it was half-Beta/half-
                                  VHS!), and he ended up sending a letter to the company that first put
                                  out the APES films on VHS. The second versions had corrected the mess-
                                  up.
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                                  Group: pota Message: 20512 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/31/2002
                                  Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "They bear out Hasslein's Hypothesis..."
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                                  .htmlIn a message dated 8/31/02 10:15:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:


                                  In regards to Boulle's use of Betelgeuse as the star around which
                                  Soror revolves, yeah, I agree it's not a likely place to find any
                                  Earth-like planet. The palpitations I described earlier (which Boulle
                                  himself described) would wreak havoc on the biospheres of any planet
                                  within its "lifezone". Every star has a "lifezone" around it, where
                                  the temperature is neither too hot nor too cold, but when a supergiant
                                  like Betelgeuse undergoes its rhythmic palpitations the lifezone
                                  itself would palpitate accordingly, yet the elliptical orbits of any
                                  planets in the system would NOT be able to adjust to this phenomenon,
                                  since their orbital paths are around the center of gravity
                                  ("barycenter") of the star at the focus of the ellipse.
                                  So, I wouldn't say it's totally impossible to find a habitable planet
                                  orbiting Betelgeuse... but it's pretty damned unlikely. And I sure as
                                  hell wouldn't want to be around when that star ran out of hydrogen to
                                  burn: when it goes Supernova... YOWZAH! Of course, even here on Earth,
                                  some 300+ lightyears away, even WE will have a bad time of it if
                                  Betelgeuse explodes in our lifetime.

                                  Patrick


                                  Isn't it true, Patrick, that before a star becomes a red giant it is a star much like ours.  That being a red giant is a sign of its age and it expands to the size of a red giant because it's nearly burned off one of its gases (I forget which)?  Hence, Betelgeuse may have once had an earth-like planet circling it, but it ate it up when it expanded.  This is, I also believe, going to be the fate of our world.  First our star will shrink to a white dwarf, freezing the earth, then expand to a red giant, consuming our world.  It will then go supernova.  I read some place that Betelgeuse should go supernova sometime in the next ten thousand years, but I'm not sure what you mean, Patrick, that it would affect our world, other than giving us something wonderful to look at.  I'd love to live to see it, but ten thousand years is an awful long time.

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