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From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 7:53 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: So?laris

In a message dated 8/31/02 3:12:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Other "top" SF flicks on my list of favorites:
BLADE-RUNNER (despite Harrison Ford's lack-of-appreciation, it's one
of the best SF movies ever made, and Harrison's best performance, I
think)

Patrick, please explain this whole BLADE RUNNER thing.  This movie did nothing for me.  I don't get its lasting appeal.

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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: So?laris

In a message dated 8/31/02 3:12:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

STAR TREK II, III, IV, VI, & VIII (STTMP was a rip off of "The
Changeling" and "The Ultimate Computer" and several other original
episodes; ST-V was ruined by the forced inclusion of ill-placed humor,
in addition to being a rip-off of the episode about the "hippies" who
steal the Enterprise ["The Way to Eden"? yeah, I think that was it];
ST: Insurrection was VILE, and an insult to the pro-science thematic
thrust of Star Trek; ST: Generations was iffy--though I did like the
idea of a lunatic purposely blowing up stars just to create a new
pathway for that goofy "energy ribbon" thingy: why not just fly a
spaceship directly in its path, instead? Oh, I forgot... that would be
the OBVIOUS thing to do!)

Most of the STAR TREK movies have not aged well with me.  I bought the first one's DVD because of Goldsmith's connection, but I haven't even considered getting the ST II special edition.

Patrick, you forgot to add what you thought of STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT.  I thought that one was pretty good.  I'm looking forward to STAR TREK: NEMISIS.

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----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:03 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: So?laris

In a message dated 8/31/02 3:12:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

DARK-STAR (yeah, it's a parody... but it's intelligently funny)

A BOY AND HIS DOG (Harlan Ellison... too bad more of his stuff hasn't
been adapted to the big screen)

I have to take a pass on these.  I've seen them, of course, but they did nothing for me.

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/1/02 1:25:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

"Blade Runner" is one of Eric Greene's favorites. He's a big fan of writer David Peoples. Three of his favorites are "Blade Runner", "Unforgiven" and "12 Monkeys", I think all written by Peoples. eric prayed he would write the new "Apes", but as you say, there's no god. Etc. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:13 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: So?laris

In a message dated 8/31/02 3:12:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

LOGAN'S RUN (the book was infinitely better, but I still have a soft
spot in my heart for the movie that got me to read the book in the
first place), SOYLENT GREEN (an improvement on Harry Harrison's
novella "Make Room, Make Room!"), THE OMEGA MAN (an odd adaptation of
"I Am Legend", turning Vampires into Counter-culture hippie-zombies,
but Ah! there's good ol' CHUCK HESTON kickin' ass and takin' names!).

These three movies are really seventies junk as far as I'm concerned, but LOGAN'S RUN has a good Jerry Goldsmith score, and THE OMEGA MAN a good score by Ron Grainer (Yes, I AM LEGEND is a great book.  Why they've never filmed it as written I don't understand.  Just read Matheson's THE SHRINKING MAN.  Another great book.), but SOYLENT GREEN has a lot of problems and this is also the movie where you see the start of Heston wearing a rug.

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/1/02 1:31:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

The short story "A Boy and His Dog" was a seminal story for me as a teen (I have a thing about dark animal stories- - POTA, The Fly, Jaws) but I didn't think much of the movie. - - - Jeff

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I hate every criminal I see
From the Joker to Pengie
They've finally made a Batman out of me-e-e-e!

- - - sung to the tune of the POTA musical

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Burton on Broadway


> In a message dated 8/30/02 2:05:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << 'Batman' Film Director to Become 'Batman' Stage Director
> <A HREF="http://us.imdb.com/Name?Burton%2C+Tim">Tim Burton</A>, who
directed
> the original <A HREF="http://us.imdb.com/Title?0096895">Batman</A> movie
in
> 1989 and the sequel, <A HREF="http://us.imdb.com/Title?0103776">
> Batman Returns</A>, in 1992, has agreed to direct Batman: The Musical! >>
>
> Oh, of course it was a lie. I really can't imagine Batman dancing across
the
> stage.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yes, I agree. POTA wouldn't have impacted me as much without the sequels
(and the TV show) as a kid. Etc. - - - Jeff

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: So?laris


> > In a message dated 9/1/02 10:28:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > melkor@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > 1. Battle POTA
> > > 2. POTA
> > > 3. Beneath POTA
> > > 4. Conquest POTA
> > > 5. Aliens Special Edition
> > > 6. Terminator II Special Edition
> > > 7. Escape POTA
> > > 8. Star Wars IV Special Edition (though I'm not happy w/all the
changes)
> > > 9. Star Trek IV
> > > 10. Futureworld
> >
> > You must have seen BATTLE first when you were a kid.
> >
>
> No I saw BATTLE last actually. But BATTLE was the first POTA movie I
remember
> watching in the theater and really looking forward to it coming out. I
know
> BATTLE gets dissed alot but I am quite fond of it -- it is my favorite
movie in
> fact. I see the POTA movies as an epic saga in which BATTLE is the ending
and
> climax and has a great continuity with the earlier movies. Unlike you I
> wouldn't have liked POTA nearly as much without the sequels. Like Star
Wars,
> the POTA sequels turn a story into a saga.
>
>
> -Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:18 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: So?laris

In a message dated 9/1/02 12:09:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, melkor@... writes:

I know BATTLE gets dissed alot but I am quite fond of it -- it is my favorite movie in
fact.  I see the POTA movies as an epic saga in which BATTLE is the ending and
climax and has a great continuity with the earlier movies.  Unlike you I
wouldn't have liked POTA nearly as much without the sequels.  Like Star Wars,
the POTA sequels turn a story into a saga.


-Tom

To each his own.  BATTLE was in fact the last APES movie I've watch on DVD lately.  It didn't bother me that much this time and I enjoyed the photography and how many times they had one character in focus on the side of the Panavision frame, and another in the background on the other side.  One thing that still bugged me though is how bad the makeup often looks.
                 
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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 10:31 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: So?laris

In a message dated 9/1/02 1:25:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

"Blade Runner" is one of Eric Greene's favorites. He's a big fan of writer David Peoples. Three of his favorites are "Blade Runner", "Unforgiven" and "12 Monkeys", I think all written by Peoples. eric prayed he would write the new "Apes", but as you say, there's no god. Etc. - - - Jeff

He also wrote "Soldier" and "Leviathan" so what does that tell you?

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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 10:34 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: So?laris

In a message dated 9/1/02 1:31:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

The short story "A Boy and His Dog" was a seminal story for me as a teen (I have a thing about dark animal stories- - POTA, The Fly, Jaws) but I didn't think much of the movie. - - - Jeff

Seminal?!!!  We don't care to hear your spanking the monkey stories, Veetus!

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  It tells me writers' credits are meaningless because there's so many other variables that decide what gets into a film. Want to know a writer, read a book. - - Jeff

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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 10:19 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Jeff's merciful God...

In a message dated 9/1/02 1:13:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  What's your take on the argument that such items as our eyes are too
complex to have "evolved", that the odds the world would turn out as it did
are astronomical? Not necessarily a particular religion but just the general
notion that there is a God? Basically, did everything "just happen". - -
Jeff

You're asking if there is an intelligence behind the structure of things in the universe.  What one human being can say for sure that the answer is yes?  It's way beyond us all, so why bother thinking about it.  Some people need God, and a God that takes an interest in their lives, in order to make themselves feel better, to know there's a meaning to life and that we're not alone in the universe, but at its root it's a childish need to have such beliefs.  But I don't knock people for having childish needs -- are we not weak, fragile animals?

-- Rory

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No everything didn't just happen. But Rory is right when he says
that God is totally beyond our understanding (and particularly
beyond the understanding of idiots like bin Ladden & Farwell). God
is not some invisible man in the sky that gives us stuff if we're
good.

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> What's your take on the argument that such items as our eyes are
too
> complex to have "evolved", that the odds the world would turn out
as it did
> are astronomical? Not necessarily a particular religion but just
the general
> notion that there is a God? Basically, did everything "just
happen". - -
> Jeff

Just wondering if anyone caught the triple feature of Beneath,
Escape and Conquest on HBO Family last nite?

Did they show the uncut "Conquest"? Probably not, huh? Etc. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:35 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Last Night


> Just wondering if anyone caught the triple feature of Beneath,
> Escape and Conquest on HBO Family last nite?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Well said. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Jeff's merciful God...(OT)


> No everything didn't just happen. But Rory is right when he says
> that God is totally beyond our understanding (and particularly
> beyond the understanding of idiots like bin Ladden & Farwell). God
> is not some invisible man in the sky that gives us stuff if we're
> good.
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > What's your take on the argument that such items as our eyes are
> too
> > complex to have "evolved", that the odds the world would turn out
> as it did
> > are astronomical? Not necessarily a particular religion but just
> the general
> > notion that there is a God? Basically, did everything "just
> happen". - -
> > Jeff
>
>
>
>
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From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 7:15 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: "They bear out Hasslein's Hypothesis..."

In a message dated 9/1/02 8:17:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Boulle--an admirer of that same star--
probably thought that his satirical space-romance "La Planète des
Singes" was going to be the only real SF novel he would write, so why
not have his "ape planet" orbit his favorite star? That way, he'd have
an excuse to have one of his characters go into detail about how
Betelgeuse is "a palpitating star", and all that.

Patrick

Wait a minute, Patrick!  Boulle also wrote "Garden on the Moon," "Desperate Games," "Mirrors of the Sun," "Time out of Mind and Other Stories."  Have you bothered to read them?  And have you ever read Huxley's "Ape and Essence"?

-- Rory

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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 3:26 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] They weren't playing around

  www.planetoftheapesonline.com says the "Ape" video game for Play Station has been released and is already discontinued. So, Play Station fans, get 'em while they're not hot. - - - Jeff

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 7:15 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: "They bear out Hasslein's Hypothesis..."

In a message dated 9/1/02 8:17:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Boulle--an admirer of that same star--
probably thought that his satirical space-romance "La Planète des
Singes" was going to be the only real SF novel he would write, so why
not have his "ape planet" orbit his favorite star? That way, he'd have
an excuse to have one of his characters go into detail about how
Betelgeuse is "a palpitating star", and all that.

Patrick

Wait a minute, Patrick!  Boulle also wrote "Garden on the Moon," "Desperate Games," "Mirrors of the Sun," "Time out of Mind and Other Stories."  Have you bothered to read them?  And have you ever read Huxley's "Ape and Essence"?

-- Rory

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I moseyed back to the official POTA2001 site. Looks like they took down the "ape insight" message board. The party's over. Also, their ad for the DVD says the audio commentary is with Fox head Tom Rothman and Zanuck, not Burton. What a nightmare that would be! Etc.                - - - Jeff

It's over, Jeff, and we are here and it is now, and you get hold of that and hang onto it or you might as well be dead.

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.htmlOkay, let's talk about another movie that not POTA, but not SF.  What does everyone here think of PAPILLON?  Have you ever seen it?  It was directed by a guy named Franklin J. Schaffner and it has one of the greatest Jerry Goldsmith scores.  I like it, though it is a bit long, and boy can't be a downer at times.  There's a part of it where Steve McQueen is running through the jungle that plays a lot like the hunt in PLANET especially with Goldsmith's music under it.
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I say First Contact, and pretty much ANY Borg episodes, are fantastic.

What a great enemy.

Are the Borg in Nemesis?

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/31/02 3:12:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
>
> > STAR TREK II, III, IV, VI, & VIII (STTMP was a rip off of "The
> > Changeling" and "The Ultimate Computer" and several other

original

> > episodes; ST-V was ruined by the forced inclusion of ill-placed

humor,

> > in addition to being a rip-off of the episode about the "hippies"

who

> > steal the Enterprise ["The Way to Eden"? yeah, I think that was

it];

> > ST: Insurrection was VILE, and an insult to the pro-science

thematic

> > thrust of Star Trek; ST: Generations was iffy--though I did like

the

> > idea of a lunatic purposely blowing up stars just to create a new
> > pathway for that goofy "energy ribbon" thingy: why not just fly a
> > spaceship directly in its path, instead? Oh, I forgot... that

would be

> > the OBVIOUS thing to do!)
> >
> >
>
> Most of the STAR TREK movies have not aged well with me. I bought

the first

> one's DVD because of Goldsmith's connection, but I haven't even

considered

> getting the ST II special edition.
>
> Patrick, you forgot to add what you thought of STAR TREK: FIRST

CONTACT. I

> thought that one was pretty good. I'm looking forward to STAR

TREK: NEMISIS.

>

.htmlIn a message dated 9/1/02 7:12:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I say First Contact, and pretty much ANY Borg episodes, are fantastic.

What a great enemy.

Are the Borg in Nemesis?

Michael

I have no idea!   I think the Romulans are the villians.<.html

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Yeah I like Logan's Run - really enjoyed a re-watch on DVD recently.

I saw "the Bourne Identity" on Sunday and it was OK, but they missed
a very important sub-plot from the novel that was an important and
intelligent twist. I was a little disappointed, but it was not too
bad.

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/31/02 3:12:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
>
> > LOGAN'S RUN (the book was infinitely better, but I still have a

soft

> > spot in my heart for the movie that got me to read the book in

the

> > first place), SOYLENT GREEN (an improvement on Harry Harrison's
> > novella "Make Room, Make Room!"), THE OMEGA MAN (an odd

adaptation of

> > "I Am Legend", turning Vampires into Counter-culture hippie-

zombies,

> > but Ah! there's good ol' CHUCK HESTON kickin' ass and takin'

names!).

> >
> >
>
> These three movies are really seventies junk as far as I'm

concerned, but

> LOGAN'S RUN has a good Jerry Goldsmith score, and THE OMEGA MAN a

good score

> by Ron Grainer (Yes, I AM LEGEND is a great book. Why they've

never filmed

> it as written I don't understand. Just read Matheson's THE

SHRINKING MAN.

> Another great book.), but SOYLENT GREEN has a lot of problems and

this is

> also the movie where you see the start of Heston wearing a rug.
>

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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 3:45 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Official Site Revisited

In a message dated 9/1/02 6:42:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

I moseyed back to the official POTA2001 site. Looks like they took down the "ape insight" message board. The party's over. Also, their ad for the DVD says the audio commentary is with Fox head Tom Rothman and Zanuck, not Burton. What a nightmare that would be! Etc.                - - - Jeff

It's over, Jeff, and we are here and it is now, and you get hold of that and hang onto it or you might as well be dead.

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Papillon is a great film. I saw it as a kid and loved it even then.
I still don't trust nuns because of it.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Okay, let's talk about another movie that not POTA, but not SF.
What does
> everyone here think of PAPILLON? Have you ever seen it? It was
directed by
> a guy named Franklin J. Schaffner and it has one of the greatest
Jerry
> Goldsmith scores. I like it, though it is a bit long, and boy
can't be a
> downer at times. There's a part of it where Steve McQueen is
running through
> the jungle that plays a lot like the hunt in PLANET especially
with
> Goldsmith's music under it.
> [Unable to display image] Here's
some pics! [Unable to display image]
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image] [Unable to display image] [Unable to
display image]
> See the
tank of the
> diver under him?

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All we can do is wait until Fox starts doing this stuff. We'll all meet on Broadway! - - - Jeff

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Papillon is a great film. I saw it as a kid and loved it even then.
I still don't trust nuns because of it.

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No, why do they call nuns, nuns?

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/1/02 8:11:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > Papillon is a great film. I saw it as a kid and loved it even
then.
> > I still don't trust nuns because of it.
> >
> >
>
> Do you know why they call nuns nuns?

.htmlIn a message dated 9/1/02 8:25:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

No, why do they call nuns, nuns?

'cause they don't get nun.<.html

I like Blade Runner, but "Unforgiven" and "12 Monkeys" I hold as 2 of
my all time favourites. Would have been great if Peoples had written
POTA 2001 (or would it have been compromised anyway?).

Does Eric KNOW peoples?

Michael


--- <veetus@...> wrote:

> "Blade Runner" is one of Eric Greene's favorites. He's a big fan

of writer

> David Peoples. Three of his favorites are "Blade

Runner", "Unforgiven" and

> "12 Monkeys", I think all written by Peoples. eric prayed he would

write t

> he new "Apes", but as you say, there's no god. Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: So?laris
>
>
> In a message dated 8/31/02 3:12:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

patrickmicha

> eltilton@... writes:
>
>
>
> Other "top" SF flicks on my list of favorites:
> BLADE-RUNNER (despite Harrison Ford's lack-of-appreciation,

it's one

> of the best SF movies ever made, and Harrison's best

performance, I

> think)
>
>
>
>
> Patrick, please explain this whole BLADE RUNNER thing. This

movie did no

> thing for me. I don't get its lasting appeal.
>
>
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>
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Hmmm.....not sure we should be going here.

Michael

--- "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > I will pray for you my son. You are an instrument of Patrick!

Etc. - - =

> - Jeff
>
> *** If you insist on draggin' me into this, then here's my 2�.
> Question: How many infants did Jehovah murder when he destroyed ALL
> LIFE (except for Noah's Ark-ful) on Earth?
> Answer: Assuming that Flood-myth actually happened, then EVERY

SINGLE

> INFANT alive then was murdered by Jehovah.
> Think of it: what would the Earth's population have been roughly

4400

> years ago? A couple million, maybe? How many of those Flood victims
> were pregnant women? On any given day, what percentage of women in

the

> world are pregnant? Did their unborn children deserve to be

destroyed

> along with all the "sinners" that Jehovah wanted to kill? Did the

new-

> born babies suckling at their mothers' teats deserve to drown to
> death? You'd think that an all-powerful "god" could selectively zap
> the bad guys, like the evil Kirk in "Mirror, Mirror" with his

secret

> weapon in his Captain's Quarters. But NOOOOO! Jehovah likes

committing

> murder... until he's suddenly sorry he did it and puts pretty

rainbows

> in the sky as a "sign" that he'll never do THAT again! Yeesh!

Mystic

> phooey is RIGHT.
>
> Of course, the Flood myth in Genesis is a monotheistic

bastardization

> of the original polytheistic story told in the Gilgamesh epic and

the

> Atrahasis epic, from Sumeria. In those original versions, the Storm
> God ENLIL was the one who orchestrated the intentional mass-murder

of

> humanity, and his half-brother Sea God ENKI was the Prometheus-like
> protector of the remnant led by Utnapishtim. When the Biblical
> "redactor" took these Sumerian myths (which he probably learned

about

> during the "Babylonian Captivity" in the 6th Century B.C.), which

the

> Babylonians had kept alive, that Hebrew monotheist re-wrote it and
> thus created a single god who is alternately cruel (Enlil) then
> merciful (Enki); Jehovah--the literary creation of that Redactor--
> could accurately be called a "schizophrenic god".
>
> Patrick
>
> > You know, God. Never heard of Him? He protects Us from harm

because=

> we were created in His image. The animals in the forest live in

sin, but He=

> gave up His only son so that the Earth wouldn't swell up like a

balloon and=

> turn red like Betelguise. Or something like that.

Etc. =

> - - - Jeff
> >
>
> > Mystic phooey!
>
>
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.htmlIn a message dated 9/1/02 10:03:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Hmmm.....not sure we should be going here.

Michael

Oh, God, why not?!!!!<.html

I've been called a fat mutant before.....

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> [Unable to display image]
> Try being more careful when you shave, Michael Whitty
> [Unable to display image]
> Did he nick me?
>
>
>

Jeff, this illustrates my point about Chris' book - that it is
seriously lacking.

The Multiple Toymakers set you are talking about is actually the most
basic of the playsets they made. There are at lest 2 other larger
sets that come in a windowed flat box(about 18"x24") that have a
bridge and trees and some toy soldiers (I think it is supposed to be
loosely based on a "Battle" scenario).

There are also another 2 "shoe-box" sized sets. These have a lot of
extra apes as per the original set (like 4 or 5 gorrilas on horse, 3
or 4 Ziras etc) and a HEAP of soldiers, a bridge, trees, mountains
etc. These are the rarer ones, but they don't fetch $700 (maybe if
they were SEALED and MINT they would).

I would say the piece is likely to be on of the latter.

I think Ken may have a catalog with some of these sets
pictured....KEN?

Michael

--- <veetus@...> wrote:

> I think you're talking about the set of 4 figures (Zauis, Zira,

and 2

> Soldiers with horses) put out by Multiple Toymakers (pg. 82 of the
> Sauseville book). I had those as a kid and loved them. Saw them

recently for

> over $100. Unless your seller custom made POTA army men.
>
> POTA Wave 2 was available for $4 each at Kay Bee some months ago.

Recently

> I found POTA2001 bandages at the Pic N Save outlets. I got Thade

for $5.

> He's OK, just too bad his legs don't have joints (if I have a

complaint

> about the 2001 figures it's the immobile legs). But he can hang by

his one

> arm so that's fun. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:13 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA toys
>
>
> > > > Well now could be a good time - prices of POTA Collectibles

have hit

> > > rock
> > > > bottom.
> > >
> > > I don't know about that - certainly a lot of people were stung

by

> > > PotA2001 (with Tim Burton involved, a lot of people weren't

banking on

> > > it being quite so pish) and all the PotA2001 merchandise is

bargain

> > > bin stuff now. But the original sure as hell isn't getting any

cheaper

> > > in my neck of the woods!
> >
> > I have never seen the POTA 2001 wave 2 action figures at any

price. I

> would
> > have like to gotten a Pericles. However I regret wasting money

on the

> Thade
> > figure. Limbo is a good figure because he is about the same size

as the

> > Medicoms and can hang out with Dr. Zaius.
> >
> >
> > > Talking of which, I went to a memorabilia event last week -

some of

> > > the Apes stuff available included Medicom figures at �30 (I

nearly

> > > laughed myself silly - the dealer in question was obviously

hoping

> > > nobody knew they were being brought out here at affordable

prices

> > > shortly) and the four variants at �40 each (about 60 USD?).

Also saw

> > > the herald newspaper spoof from Battle for a princely �100! I

saw

> > > loads of other MIB Pota stuff as well, but frankly when I saw

the old

> > > Mego figures still mint in their packaging I didn't even ask the
> > > prices.
> > >
> > > It's an expensive business!
> >
> > I was at a toy show here in USA Texas 6 months ago and saw an

interesting

> item.
> > Half of it was little plastic green army men figures with a jeep

and the

> other
> > half was little plastic POTA figures about the same size as the

green army

> men.
> > I vaguely recalled seeing this before somewhere and apparently

they are

> rare.
> > It looked pretty cool so I asked the dealer how much he wanted

for it and

> he
> > said $700. I don't think so!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
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>

The wave 2 stuff is out there and the prices have radically reduced.

I'll see if I can dig up a source or 2 for you.

Michael

--- <veetus@...> wrote:> POTA Wave 2 was available for $4
each at Kay Bee some months ago. Recently- - Jeff

.htmlIn a message dated 9/2/2002 12:01:33 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

The wave 2 stuff is out there and the prices have radically reduced.

I'll see if I can dig up a source or 2 for you.

Michael

I see the "wave 2" action  figures on eBay all the time... <.html

Yeah, I do have a Multiple Toymakers catalogue for 1975 but my scanner no
longer communicates with my computer since had it upgraded. It doesn't show
all of the different variations of playsets they released anyhow ( some were
exclusives).
Best,
KEN

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:16 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA toys


> Jeff, this illustrates my point about Chris' book - that it is
> seriously lacking.
>
> The Multiple Toymakers set you are talking about is actually the most
> basic of the playsets they made. There are at lest 2 other larger
> sets that come in a windowed flat box(about 18"x24") that have a
> bridge and trees and some toy soldiers (I think it is supposed to be
> loosely based on a "Battle" scenario).
>
> There are also another 2 "shoe-box" sized sets. These have a lot of
> extra apes as per the original set (like 4 or 5 gorrilas on horse, 3
> or 4 Ziras etc) and a HEAP of soldiers, a bridge, trees, mountains
> etc. These are the rarer ones, but they don't fetch $700 (maybe if
> they were SEALED and MINT they would).
>
> I would say the piece is likely to be on of the latter.
>
> I think Ken may have a catalog with some of these sets
> pictured....KEN?
>
> Michael
>
> --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > I think you're talking about the set of 4 figures (Zauis, Zira,
> and 2
> > Soldiers with horses) put out by Multiple Toymakers (pg. 82 of the
> > Sauseville book). I had those as a kid and loved them. Saw them
> recently for
> > over $100. Unless your seller custom made POTA army men.
> >
> > POTA Wave 2 was available for $4 each at Kay Bee some months ago.
> Recently
> > I found POTA2001 bandages at the Pic N Save outlets. I got Thade
> for $5.
> > He's OK, just too bad his legs don't have joints (if I have a
> complaint
> > about the 2001 figures it's the immobile legs). But he can hang by
> his one
> > arm so that's fun. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:13 AM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA toys
> >
> >
> > > > > Well now could be a good time - prices of POTA Collectibles
> have hit
> > > > rock
> > > > > bottom.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know about that - certainly a lot of people were stung
> by
> > > > PotA2001 (with Tim Burton involved, a lot of people weren't
> banking on
> > > > it being quite so pish) and all the PotA2001 merchandise is
> bargain
> > > > bin stuff now. But the original sure as hell isn't getting any
> cheaper
> > > > in my neck of the woods!
> > >
> > > I have never seen the POTA 2001 wave 2 action figures at any
> price. I
> > would
> > > have like to gotten a Pericles. However I regret wasting money
> on the
> > Thade
> > > figure. Limbo is a good figure because he is about the same size
> as the
> > > Medicoms and can hang out with Dr. Zaius.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Talking of which, I went to a memorabilia event last week -
> some of
> > > > the Apes stuff available included Medicom figures at £30 (I
> nearly
> > > > laughed myself silly - the dealer in question was obviously
> hoping
> > > > nobody knew they were being brought out here at affordable
> prices
> > > > shortly) and the four variants at £40 each (about 60 USD?).
> Also saw
> > > > the herald newspaper spoof from Battle for a princely £100! I
> saw
> > > > loads of other MIB Pota stuff as well, but frankly when I saw
> the old
> > > > Mego figures still mint in their packaging I didn't even ask the
> > > > prices.
> > > >
> > > > It's an expensive business!
> > >
> > > I was at a toy show here in USA Texas 6 months ago and saw an
> interesting
> > item.
> > > Half of it was little plastic green army men figures with a jeep
> and the
> > other
> > > half was little plastic POTA figures about the same size as the
> green army
> > men.
> > > I vaguely recalled seeing this before somewhere and apparently
> they are
> > rare.
> > > It looked pretty cool so I asked the dealer how much he wanted
> for it and
> > he
> > > said $700. I don't think so!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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>From: "whitty@..." <whitty@...>
>Are the Borg in Nemesis?

I can answer this, having read the script as part of my job. However, so
as not to spoil it for anyone why doesn't want to know, here's some spoiler
space...


and some more...


and some more...


and some more...


and some more...


and some more...


and some more...


The villain of Star Trek: Nemesis is Picard! You see, the plot focuses on
a sub-class of Romulan society called the Remans. If you recall, the
Romulan Star Empire has, at the center of its government, two planets
called Romulus and Remus. We've seen Romulus several times over the years,
but never Remus (well, except for in some of the non-canon novels). The
Remans, as we learn, are a slave class, forced to live underground in caves
as miners. Exposed to radiation, removed from sunlight, they are pale and
distorted -- picture Spock meets Nosferatu, and you get the picture. Well,
25 years before "Nemesis," the Romulans hatched a plot to clone Picard,
then an up-and-coming officer, and replace him with the clone, thereby
giving them a moll inside Starfleet. When internal troubles (as alluded to
in the first-season episode "Neutral Zone") became more important, that
plan and many others were abandoned, and the Picard clone was sent to live
in the mines as a slave -- waste-not-want-not, after all. The Remans,
seeing a chance some day to use the discarded plot to their own advantage,
reared the clone, whom they named Shinzon, as their own. Fast-forward to
the time of Nemesis, and we come to the plan's fruition -- the Remans have
staged an all-out coup, killing the Romulan Senate and taking control of
the Empire. They're determined not only to conquer their Romulan
overlords, but the galaxy at large (I guess squatting in caves makes you a
bit melodramatic after a while... maybe that explains Osama Bin Laden).
Having reared him for this day for two decades, the Remans place Shinzon in
the center-seat, with a Reman Viceroy to watch over and advise him.
Enterprise, of course, is sent in, and we have Old Picard-vs. Young Picard.
The script is quite powerful and should play out well on-screen --
especially with Ron Perlamn playing the Viceroy. The guy playing the
younger Picard (I forget his name at the moment) looks a lot like Patrick
Stewart and is a very good actor. And the Reman make-up is brilliant. A
cool sub-plot, by the way, involves Data finding a "lost brother" named
B-9, who is a simpleton with a fraction of Data's intelligence.

.htmlIn a message dated 9/2/02 8:58:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, handleyr@... writes:

I can answer this, having read the script as part of my job. 

Sounds like you have a nice job.<.html

Dear Apeonauts,

I have appreciated the recent discussion on POTA collectible
figures, and it prompted me to ask a question, which I have meaning
to post for a while (too busy setting up the new Saru no Gundan/Time
of the Apes Yahoo group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan/ , come for a visit!).

Of the 2001 8" figures, my favorite by far is Pericles and his space
pod. It's a wonder they did not release this one with the first run
of figures last summer. I can't imagine it not competing with the
Attar figure for sales.

In POTA (2001), Pericles is sent out in "Alpha Pod". The other pod
identified in the film is "Delta Pod", with which Leo absconds in
search of Pericles. The Pod designation on my Pericles figure set is
clearly "Exploration Unit H" not "A". Was this an error on all of
them, or does anyone else actually have an "Alpha Pod"?

Yours, from Mount Garr,
Menluth.

>From: Haristas@...
>> I can answer this, having read the script as part of my job.
>Sounds like you have a nice job.

At times. :)

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.htmlWednesday morning on NBC's TODAY, Matt Lauer will interview Charlton Heston about you-know-what.
                              
                     "I better get up now.  I'm on Today, I think?" <.html

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.htmlThis art is on eBay right now.  It's says it's from a British comic cover.  I know I've never seen it before.

      <.html

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.htmlWell, this sort of freaks me out.  Somebody is selling on eBay an issue of "The Perfect Vision" from 1991 that has an article in it about PLANET OF THE APES.  Why is this freaking me out?  Because I wrote that article, and because the magazine was so obscure I thought it was long forgotten.

Click here: eBay item 1560255087 (Ends Sep-08-02 17:39:48 PDT ) - 1991 Perfect Vision PLANET OF THE APES

               

<.html

Sounds like a dumb story. Hopefully it's written well. Thanks, Rich. By
the way, you're fired! - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Handley" <handleyr@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1243


> >From: "whitty@..." <whitty@...>
> >Are the Borg in Nemesis?
>
>
> I can answer this, having read the script as part of my job. However, so
> as not to spoil it for anyone why doesn't want to know, here's some
spoiler
> space...
>
>
> and some more...
>
>
> and some more...
>
>
> and some more...
>
>
> and some more...
>
>
> and some more...
>
>
> and some more...
>
>
> The villain of Star Trek: Nemesis is Picard! You see, the plot focuses on
> a sub-class of Romulan society called the Remans. If you recall, the
> Romulan Star Empire has, at the center of its government, two planets
> called Romulus and Remus. We've seen Romulus several times over the
years,
> but never Remus (well, except for in some of the non-canon novels). The
> Remans, as we learn, are a slave class, forced to live underground in
caves
> as miners. Exposed to radiation, removed from sunlight, they are pale and
> distorted -- picture Spock meets Nosferatu, and you get the picture.
Well,
> 25 years before "Nemesis," the Romulans hatched a plot to clone Picard,
> then an up-and-coming officer, and replace him with the clone, thereby
> giving them a moll inside Starfleet. When internal troubles (as alluded
to
> in the first-season episode "Neutral Zone") became more important, that
> plan and many others were abandoned, and the Picard clone was sent to live
> in the mines as a slave -- waste-not-want-not, after all. The Remans,
> seeing a chance some day to use the discarded plot to their own advantage,
> reared the clone, whom they named Shinzon, as their own. Fast-forward to
> the time of Nemesis, and we come to the plan's fruition -- the Remans have
> staged an all-out coup, killing the Romulan Senate and taking control of
> the Empire. They're determined not only to conquer their Romulan
> overlords, but the galaxy at large (I guess squatting in caves makes you a
> bit melodramatic after a while... maybe that explains Osama Bin Laden).
> Having reared him for this day for two decades, the Remans place Shinzon
in
> the center-seat, with a Reman Viceroy to watch over and advise him.
> Enterprise, of course, is sent in, and we have Old Picard-vs. Young
Picard.
> The script is quite powerful and should play out well on-screen --
> especially with Ron Perlamn playing the Viceroy. The guy playing the
> younger Picard (I forget his name at the moment) looks a lot like Patrick
> Stewart and is a very good actor. And the Reman make-up is brilliant. A
> cool sub-plot, by the way, involves Data finding a "lost brother" named
> B-9, who is a simpleton with a fraction of Data's intelligence.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yes, Pericles is one of the better figures. My favorite is the Red
soldier. But Krull's good, too. If they'd released Wave 2 first they might
have had better sales. Mine says "Unit H". Maybe they were Alpha and Delta
pods from Unit H?

That's interesting, a "Time of the Apes" group. I guess the movie is culled
from a Japanese TV show. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "menluth" <menluth@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 10:21 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA figures: Pericles' Pod


> Dear Apeonauts,
>
> I have appreciated the recent discussion on POTA collectible
> figures, and it prompted me to ask a question, which I have meaning
> to post for a while (too busy setting up the new Saru no Gundan/Time
> of the Apes Yahoo group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan/ , come for a visit!).
>
> Of the 2001 8" figures, my favorite by far is Pericles and his space
> pod. It's a wonder they did not release this one with the first run
> of figures last summer. I can't imagine it not competing with the
> Attar figure for sales.
>
> In POTA (2001), Pericles is sent out in "Alpha Pod". The other pod
> identified in the film is "Delta Pod", with which Leo absconds in
> search of Pericles. The Pod designation on my Pericles figure set is
> clearly "Exploration Unit H" not "A". Was this an error on all of
> them, or does anyone else actually have an "Alpha Pod"?
>
> Yours, from Mount Garr,
> Menluth.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 7:07 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Now this is a trip Back in Time!

Well, this sort of freaks me out.  Somebody is selling on eBay an issue of "The Perfect Vision" from 1991 that has an article in it about PLANET OF THE APES.  Why is this freaking me out?  Because I wrote that article, and because the magazine was so obscure I thought it was long forgotten.

Click here: eBay item 1560255087 (Ends Sep-08-02 17:39:48 PDT ) - 1991 Perfect Vision PLANET OF THE APES

               



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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 8:22 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Now this is a trip Back in Time!

  It says the inventory of back issues was destroyed. How many copies do you have, Rory? - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 7:07 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Now this is a trip Back in Time!

Well, this sort of freaks me out.  Somebody is selling on eBay an issue of "The Perfect Vision" from 1991 that has an article in it about PLANET OF THE APES.  Why is this freaking me out?  Because I wrote that article, and because the magazine was so obscure I thought it was long forgotten.

Click here: eBay item 1560255087 (Ends Sep-08-02 17:39:48 PDT ) - 1991 Perfect Vision PLANET OF THE APES

               



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<.html

www.aintitcoolnews.com has a thing about another "Thing". "The Thing"
remake has been brought up here so I thought I'd mention Universal is
considering "The Thing 2" and have reportedly even approached John Carpenter
about doing it. And the first one was a flop! Add in the discussed "Tron 2"
and that "Apes 2" is looking closer every day. Nyuk nyuk nyuk! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA figures: Pericles' Pod


> Yes, Pericles is one of the better figures. My favorite is the Red
> soldier. But Krull's good, too. If they'd released Wave 2 first they might
> have had better sales. Mine says "Unit H". Maybe they were Alpha and Delta
> pods from Unit H?
>
> That's interesting, a "Time of the Apes" group. I guess the movie is
culled
> from a Japanese TV show. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "menluth" <menluth@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 10:21 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA figures: Pericles' Pod
>
>
> > Dear Apeonauts,
> >
> > I have appreciated the recent discussion on POTA collectible
> > figures, and it prompted me to ask a question, which I have meaning
> > to post for a while (too busy setting up the new Saru no Gundan/Time
> > of the Apes Yahoo group
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan/ , come for a visit!).
> >
> > Of the 2001 8" figures, my favorite by far is Pericles and his space
> > pod. It's a wonder they did not release this one with the first run
> > of figures last summer. I can't imagine it not competing with the
> > Attar figure for sales.
> >
> > In POTA (2001), Pericles is sent out in "Alpha Pod". The other pod
> > identified in the film is "Delta Pod", with which Leo absconds in
> > search of Pericles. The Pod designation on my Pericles figure set is
> > clearly "Exploration Unit H" not "A". Was this an error on all of
> > them, or does anyone else actually have an "Alpha Pod"?
> >
> > Yours, from Mount Garr,
> > Menluth.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 9/2/02 11:11:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Sounds like a dumb story. Hopefully it's written well. Thanks, Rich. By
the way, you're fired! - - Jeff

I didn't think it was dumb, but it does sound a bit overly contrived.

Jeff, I know you'll be first in line to see it because you just can't get enough of Jerry Goldsmith music.

-- Rory  <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 9/2/02 11:44:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  It says the inventory of back issues was destroyed. How many copies do you have, Rory? - - - Jeff

I think I only have two.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 9/2/02 11:59:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  www.aintitcoolnews.com has a thing about another "Thing". "The Thing"
remake has been brought up here so I thought I'd mention Universal is
considering "The Thing 2" and have reportedly even approached John Carpenter
about doing it. And the first one was a flop! Add in the discussed "Tron 2"
and that "Apes 2" is looking closer every day. Nyuk nyuk nyuk! - - - Jeff

That's what we need is a THING 2.  Hey, I like the THING remake, but Carpenter had a better than average script to work from AND IT STILL BOMBED.  Carpenter is a hack's hack.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

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In a message dated 9/2/02 11:59:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  www.aintitcoolnews.com has a thing about another "Thing". "The Thing"
remake has been brought up here so I thought I'd mention Universal is
considering "The Thing 2" and have reportedly even approached John Carpenter
about doing it. And the first one was a flop! Add in the discussed "Tron 2"
and that "Apes 2" is looking closer every day. Nyuk nyuk nyuk! - - - Jeff

That's what we need is a THING 2.  Hey, I like the THING remake, but Carpenter had a better than average script to work from AND IT STILL BOMBED.  Carpenter is a hack's hack.

-- Rory

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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1243

In a message dated 9/2/02 11:11:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Sounds like a dumb story. Hopefully it's written well. Thanks, Rich. By
the way, you're fired! - - Jeff

I didn't think it was dumb, but it does sound a bit overly contrived.

Jeff, I know you'll be first in line to see it because you just can't get enough of Jerry Goldsmith music.

-- Rory 

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   I saw Goldsmith at a Q&A at the Museum of Television and Radio (he signed my Greene book even though his finger was bleeding). He said he was working on an opera based on "Star Trek". These movies are sure allowing people to branch out. "Batman" the musical, "Edward Scissorhands" the opera. Maybe "The Thing" the dance recital? - - - Jeff

Wow, you get to meet everybody, Jeff.  I'd love to meet Goldsmith, although I've read he's kind of grouchy.  But an opera based on STAR TREK?  Well, I guess there's enough fans who'll go to it.

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Might as well get this over with. I flipped on www.comingsoon.net and
there it was. Thanks for the memories. Etc. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 8:59 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh, and another thing... (OT)


> www.aintitcoolnews.com has a thing about another "Thing". "The Thing"
> remake has been brought up here so I thought I'd mention Universal is
> considering "The Thing 2" and have reportedly even approached John
Carpenter
> about doing it. And the first one was a flop! Add in the discussed "Tron
2"
> and that "Apes 2" is looking closer every day. Nyuk nyuk nyuk! - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <veetus@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 8:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA figures: Pericles' Pod
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> > Yes, Pericles is one of the better figures. My favorite is the Red
> > soldier. But Krull's good, too. If they'd released Wave 2 first they
might
> > have had better sales. Mine says "Unit H". Maybe they were Alpha and
Delta
> > pods from Unit H?
> >
> > That's interesting, a "Time of the Apes" group. I guess the movie is
> culled
> > from a Japanese TV show. - - - Jeff
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> >
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> > From: "menluth" <menluth@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 10:21 AM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA figures: Pericles' Pod
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> >
> > > Dear Apeonauts,
> > >
> > > I have appreciated the recent discussion on POTA collectible
> > > figures, and it prompted me to ask a question, which I have meaning
> > > to post for a while (too busy setting up the new Saru no Gundan/Time
> > > of the Apes Yahoo group
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan/ , come for a visit!).
> > >
> > > Of the 2001 8" figures, my favorite by far is Pericles and his space
> > > pod. It's a wonder they did not release this one with the first run
> > > of figures last summer. I can't imagine it not competing with the
> > > Attar figure for sales.
> > >
> > > In POTA (2001), Pericles is sent out in "Alpha Pod". The other pod
> > > identified in the film is "Delta Pod", with which Leo absconds in
> > > search of Pericles. The Pod designation on my Pericles figure set is
> > > clearly "Exploration Unit H" not "A". Was this an error on all of
> > > them, or does anyone else actually have an "Alpha Pod"?
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> > > Yours, from Mount Garr,
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  Might as well get this over with. I flipped on www.comingsoon.net and
there it was. Thanks for the memories. Etc.  - - - Jeff

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.htmlDirector J. Lee Thompson Passes Away
Tuesday, September 3, 2002 4:52 CDT

British director J. Lee Thompson, whose more than 50 films included the original Cape Fear, The Guns of Navarone, Planet of the Apes sequels and nine Charles Bronson movies, has died at the age of 88.

Thompson, who spent summers in Canada, died Friday of congestive heart failure in Sooke, British Columbia, publicist Robert Rooney told the Associated Press.

"He was a very large directorial presence," said co-producer Pancho Kohner. "He was a gentleman and such a pleasure to work with. Everyone who worked with him once wanted to work with him again and again."

Thompson moved to the United States after the Academy Award-nominated The Guns of Navarone in 1961 starring Peck and Quinn, and tackled American subjects such as the musical "Huckleberry Finn" in 1974; Conquest of the Planet of the Apes in 1972 and Battle for the Planet of the Apes in 1973.

Thompson is survived by his wife of 40 years, Penny, a daughter and a granddaughter. His son, Peter Lee, is deceased. The family spent winters in Los Angeles.
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Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Thompson details

Director J. Lee Thompson Passes Away
Tuesday, September 3, 2002 4:52 CDT

British director J. Lee Thompson, whose more than 50 films included the original Cape Fear, The Guns of Navarone, Planet of the Apes sequels and nine Charles Bronson movies, has died at the age of 88.

Thompson, who spent summers in Canada, died Friday of congestive heart failure in Sooke, British Columbia, publicist Robert Rooney told the Associated Press.

"He was a very large directorial presence," said co-producer Pancho Kohner. "He was a gentleman and such a pleasure to work with. Everyone who worked with him once wanted to work with him again and again."

Thompson moved to the United States after the Academy Award-nominated The Guns of Navarone in 1961 starring Peck and Quinn, and tackled American subjects such as the musical "Huckleberry Finn" in 1974; Conquest of the Planet of the Apes in 1972 and Battle for the Planet of the Apes in 1973.

Thompson is survived by his wife of 40 years, Penny, a daughter and a granddaughter. His son, Peter Lee, is deceased. The family spent winters in Los Angeles.


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.htmlIn a message dated 9/3/02 8:59:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Yeah, POTA is getting top mentions. He was Arthur's favorite director. He was approached first about the original POTA. Did "What A Way to Go", "The Chairman" and "Huckleberry Finn" for him. With "Conquest" and "Battle", that's almost half of Jacobs' films. Damn! I bet this winter it would have been DVD time. Coming soon said he spent summer in Canada and winter in Los Angeles. Married for 40 years. - - Jeff

I'll be keeping an eye on Aint-it-cool-news.com for the next couple days to see if they mention this.  I like reading the comments.  I was just there.  Nothing about Thompson yet, but the comments about a possible remake of THE THING and BATMAN: THE MUSICAL are great.

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CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES
Movie News
CAPE FEAR, BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES director dies
Thompson lensed two APES pics
Dateline: Tuesday, September 3, 2002

By: CHRISTOPHER ALLAN SMITH
By: News Editor
Source: Variety

J. Lee Thompson, who directed the classic (and original) stalker-thriller CAPE FEAR, as well as two of the original PLANET OF THE APES films, has died in British Columbia at the age of 88.

Thompson also brought to the screen the classic World War II mission film THE GUNS OF NAVARONE. He was able to bring some war experience to the NAVARONE shoot, as he worked through the war as a tail-gunner on a B-29. The movie snagged an Academy Award nomination.

The APES films he made were BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES and CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES.






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I just checked imdb.com to see if there was any mention of Thompson yet
(there isn't) and as I checked his credits, under BATTLE it says "aka
Colonization of the Planet of the Apes." When the Hell was it known as that?

Matt

.htmlIn a message dated 9/3/02 9:44:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@... writes:

I just checked imdb.com to see if there was any mention of Thompson yet
(there isn't) and as I checked his credits, under BATTLE it says "aka
Colonization of the Planet of the Apes." When the Hell was it known as that?

Matt

For about two weeks in late '72.<.html

Just saw this on CNN.com:

'Navarone,' 'Cape Fear' director Thompson dies

LOS ANGELES, California --The British director of the classic war
film "The Guns of Navarone" and the original "Cape Fear" has died in
Canada.

J. Lee Thompson, 88, died of congestive heart failure in Sooke,
British Columbia, publicist Robert Rooney said.

Thompson had more then 50 films to his name, including two "Planet of
the Apes" sequels and nine Charles Bronson movies. He was nominated
for a best director Oscar for his work on 1961's "Navarone."

Co-producer Pancho Kohner told The Associated Press: "He was a very
large directorial presence. He was a gentleman and such a pleasure to
work with. Everyone who worked with him once wanted to work with him
again and again.

"Working with Lee, you were spoiled. He had the uncanny ability to
play the film in his mind. He would know exactly what shot he needed
so there was no wasted effort. He was a talented craftsman."

Kohner said Thompson always liked to stay busy. In 1998 he worked as
a boom microphone operator for the horror film, "Bride of Chucky." He
also played himself in four films.

Kohner collaborated with Thompson to make Bronson action films
including "St. Ives," "10 to Midnight," "Messenger of Death," "White
Buffalo" and what became Thompson's last film, "Kinjite: Forbidden
Subjects," in 1989.

Thompson also worked several times with Gregory Peck, perhaps most
notably for 1962's "Cape Fear"; with Anthony Quinn for 1978's "The
Greek Tycoon"; with Yul Brynner in "Taras Bulba" in 1962 and again
the next year in "Kings of the Sun."

Born in Bristol, England, John Lee Thompson was a bantamweight boxer
and a B-29 tailgunner during World War II.

He began his film career at London's Elstree Studios as an editing
assistant and dialogue coach to actors working on Alfred Hitchcock
films.

Thompson moved to the United States after "The Guns of Navarone,"
starring Peck and Quinn, came out in 1961.

He is survived by his wife of 40 years, Penny, a daughter and a
granddaughter. His son, Peter Lee, is deceased.

Copyright 2002 CNN. All rights reserved. This material may not be
published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press
contributed to this report.

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  Good 'ol Roddy. He always signed, "All best". - - Jeff

That funny.  Kim signs "All best whishes,"  I wonder who started that?  I've always been fond of "Good Luck, John Wayne"  That would be worth a few bucks, if moms didn't throw stuff out.

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According to www.amazon.com, the Prima video game manual to POTA has been postponed to August 2003.

I could sure use some tips.  I got the game but since I do't have a vid card in my new puter it won't play.  I'm going to get a PS2 someday so I got that version.  My nephew was in town with his so I played it and couldn't get past the first gorilla!<.html

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And there is no better laxative than reading yours. Touché!

Maybe you think so Pat.
But any one who has to add their own touche' is full of shit.

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And there are OUR GANG and THREE STOOGES shorts we never get to see because they might be offensive.  But they're history, DAMN IT!

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I liked ZARDOZ! I even cosidered The Brutles as a band name. But there were
quite a few boring bits in it.

<PRE>BTW I still haven't completely dismissed using the name The Brutles, so
copyright dibs on the name.

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think it's fantastic! The whole "forced to mate" angle perhaps gives
the wrong impression of the intelligence level of the fil

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Yeah, back during the Mark Wahlberg Helena Bonham-Carter sex scene cortoversy I  altered the pic of that poster so it said. Forced To Mate With Civilized Apes.  That was good for a laugh.
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I can't wait for the outcome - please remember to come back and tell us all
about it.....in 25 words or less....

Yes, Pat....if you can't put it on a post card, then perhaps you should consider filing it under "Stuff I thought of that nobody but me cares about."  And then burn the file and lose the ashes somewhere.  But seriously, I'd like to take two or three of your posts and make a book out of them.  If I can edit them down to a ten volume set.  Apologies to those of you who have the time and inclination to actually read Pats posts.  He as SOME good ideas in there somewhere...but when Pat goes off on a tangent, it could take days to walk back to the point!

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That's really not the best way I can discribe it, but I'm tired right now.

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You tell 'em Rory!  Here's a pic of me.



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Apparently the original Mad Max is to be released on DVD within the next
month....are you ready for it T?

I believe it's already here Mick, and with an original dialogue option on it.  Man!  What was all that effort last year about?  Looks like the entertainment industry can read my mind.  They're just a little slow about it.  I was thinking about seeing a really good movie this summer.  I'm sure it'll be out by next year.

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   BTW, one of these days I'll post a picture of myself and you all can see how young I look for 43.

You tell 'em Rory!  Here's a pic of me.



Not bad for 41, especially since I'm about 22 here.


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In a message dated 9/3/02 7:44:35 AM Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

<< Might as well get this over with. I flipped on www.comingsoon.net and
there it was. Thanks for the memories. >>

Well, that's sad news. Memories live on ;)

-Joe

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   BTW, one of these days I'll post a picture of myself and you all can see how young I look for 43.

You tell 'em Rory!  Here's a pic of me.



Not bad for 41, especially since I'm about 22 here.

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Apparently the original Mad Max is to be released on DVD within the next
month....are you ready for it T?

I believe it's already here Mick, and with an original dialogue option on it.  Man!  What was all that effort last year about?  Looks like the entertainment industry can read my mind.  They're just a little slow about it.  I was thinking about seeing a really good movie this summer.  I'm sure it'll be out by next year.

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Actually neither.  It's a Sub Shop in Austin.The photo was take by either an old girlfriend or my brother.the guy behind me with the beer signs growing out of his his head is local Artist/Skateboarder Bruce Webb.  We went to a contest held at a ramp in someones backyard.  Here's Gibby Haynes of the of the Butthole Surfer. Not sure if he's reacting to a skater who beefed on the ramp or just clearing his head.




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Hey T, did you get this DVD?

Michael

Not yet, but it's on my list.
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Too true Jeff!  Few of those 8mm films if any had sound.  There were some super 8 sound systems, but I didn't know anybody with one.  I once tried to film Apes on Super 8 while recording the sound on cassette but it wouldn't hold sync for long.
So at the time video tape was like a dream come true.  Of course here it is a quarter of a century later and though I've had several computers over the years, I still don't have my android house maid or my flying car!  I was promised flying cars!
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So at the time video tape was like a dream come true.  Of course here it is a quarter of a century later and though I've had several computers over the years, I still don't have my android house maid or my flying car!  I was promised flying cars!

Home video sure as hell was like a dream come true, and when the hell are we going to get to live like the Jetsons?  They have you growup will that stuff (including 2001) then it never happens.  I feel so ripped off.

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What about Forbidden Planet?
For me that's right up there with The Day the Earth Stood Still and War of
the Worlds. Then again I loved The Mole People, aka. the low-buget Jouney to
the Center of the Earth.

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FORBIDDEN PLANET (dated and kinda hokey, but wonderful still, and
insightful regarding the "monsters of the Id")

I like dated movies!  Though Close Encountes
is a bit tiresome, some films keep getting better.
If something ages well, I don't care how old it is.
I'll even watch Metropolis when it's on sometimes.

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/3/02 8:02:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

What about Forbidden Planet?
For me that's right up there with The Day the Earth Stood Still and War of
the Worlds.  Then again I loved The Mole People, aka. the low-buget Jouney to
the Center of the Earth.

Yeah, talking about FORBIDDEN PLANET sent me hunting for it on DVD.  I found a copy used at Half.com for just $10.

I like the MOLE PEOPLE too, especially seeing Alfred the Butler all pale and trying to be serious.  I think John Agar kicked his ass, or did a mole man get him, or was it the sunlight?  I'll have to watch that one again.<.html

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THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN (great book AND movie adaptation

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/3/02 7:59:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mystic4ever@... writes:

My fellow Ape fans....maybe you can answer a few questions for me:

1) What's become of the other two POTA 2001 kids books that were supposed to be released this summer?

2) When is Quick's next book coming out?

3) Were there any Kubricks or Medicoms released in Japan for POTA 2001 and is there a site where they can be viewed?

Thanks!

Dan
                
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                  these questions -- if I gave damn.  But, I'll be traveling
                  at the speed of light to London on Friday and returning
                  the next day faster than the speed of light, where I'll
                  arrive around 2:00 pm tomorrow.  By that time, I hope,
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I like the MOLE PEOPLE too

When I went to that film festaval Kim was at I found a bootleg copy.  I bought it cause the never show it on TV.  The resolution was not good.  A few months later AMC aired it and I taped over it.  It has their logo in the corner but the picture is better.  I re edited it so it ends better too.<.html

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I'll even watch Metropolis when it's on sometimes.

I think somekind of special edition DVD of that is on the way.  Hopefully I can just rent it.  I bought THINGS TO COME.  I've watched it once.  Maybe I'll look at it again in a few years.  You gotta be careful what movies you buy.<.html

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Not yet, but it's on my list.
Thanks to your efforts on my behalf
I don't have to rush right out an get it.

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I re edited it so it ends better too.

I think the Beaver's father was still alive at the end.  What did you do?  You didn't cut him out?<.html

***SPOILER****
I cut the part when the earthquake freaks the chick out and she tries to run
back underground and is squashed by a pillar when some ruins fall on her. It
palys better that way. But hey, its The Mole People. It's not like I'm
having Taylor and Nova ride off into the sunset.