What?! Are you kidding?? Can someone confirm this please?? 

If it's true, she will be missed by many. Me being one of them. :o( 

 Phil wrote:

Kim Hunter died.

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>
> What?! Are you kidding?? Can someone confirm this please??

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Check=20out=20eBay=20it


> I have this.
>
> I have been meaning to ask the group about it. I think this COULD be
> an original (I seem to remember something about a wedding taking
> place here too). Ken, is this an original story or just taken from
> the US Marvel Magazine?
>
> Michael
>
> --- Haristas@... wrote:
> > Hey, this is on eBay right now from Australia. Do either Michael
> or Ken
> > have this?
> >
> > This is the NEWTON Planet of the Apes Series NEWTON COMICS. It is
> one of th
> > e
> > giant 100 page issues!!This issue was published in 1976 and is
> great readin
> > g.
> > This comic magazine is in Great condition!! I WOULD SAY IT IS NEAR
> MINT! It
> >
> > features a range of stories and interviews/articles. Any questions
> please
> > feel free to contact me. Please see my other auctions including
> some more
> > "Planet of the Apes"
> >
> >
> >
> > <A HREF="http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=2100200
> > 044">Click here: eBay item 2100200044 (Ends Sep-20-02 05:25:44
> PDT ) - NE
> > WTON
> > PLANET OF THE APES- GIANT- NEAR MINT!</A>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Man, that just sucks. Nothin much else to say about it. :o(

 Phil wrote:

--- In pota@y..., thypentacle <thypentacle@y...> wrote:
>
> What?! Are you kidding?? Can someone confirm this please?? 

http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story2&cid=493&ncid=762&e=5&u=/ap/20020911/ap_en_mo/obit_hunter

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> In a message dated 9/11/02 6:26:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > Here's a thought. We know that the Apes in the 40th century had
> > mastered photograghy. It's possible Cornelius and Zira brought

> > of their wedding photos in the carpet bags. (If you thought you

> > leaving your home forever wouldn't you bring some pictures?)

> > some of these picture were published in the LA Times and maybe
> > Armando kept these clippings to show to Caeser as he got older.
> >
> >
>
> As Zaius said in BENEATH, "Now enough of this nonsense!"

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> My point is, Jeffery, that I would rather have the inconsistencies
of the
> series remain "mysteries wrapped in enigmas" rather than have some
fan
> explanations that are silly, ridiculous, desperate and sometimes
pathetic.
> It's pathetic to have to come up with some sort of convoluted
nonsense simply
> because the writing was sloppy on this movie or that TV show
episode. Oh,
> when there's a "postulation" that's simple and rather plausible,
like what
> the apes' emblems may mean, then fine, or that Taylor's spaceship
was named
> Icarus when we all know it had no name, that's OK, but when you
have to get
> into the Patrick Michael Tilton Zone to try and make sense of
something, that
> goes too far for me. Please spare me from trips to the PMT Zone!
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
>
> Since the Lawgiver statune in PLANET and BENEATH is wearing the
same style suit
> as Dr. Zaius we KNOW that the design of the suit is at least 1200
years old.
> And a fashion design that is 1200 years old could easily be 2000
years old. I
> think the simplest explanation for the apes wearing the same suits
in BATTLE as
> the first two movies is that the same ape or apes (or human!) who
came up with
> the design in the first timeline did so in the altered time. Even
in an
> altered timeline we would expect that some things would still
remain the same.

--- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
>
> Do you have a pic of Aldo (or any BATTLE ape) wearing glyphs?
>
>

> Maybe they had some gorillas and orangatans as wedding guests.
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Again, how would Caesar know about the gorilla and orang

> > Etc. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Writing System
> >
> >
> > > Here's a thought. We know that the Apes in the 40th century had
> > > mastered photograghy. It's possible Cornelius and Zira brought
> some
> > > of their wedding photos in the carpet bags. (If you thought you
> were
> > > leaving your home forever wouldn't you bring some pictures?)

> > > some of these picture were published in the LA Times and maybe
> > > Armando kept these clippings to show to Caeser as he got older.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > > You're dealing with a paradox anyway, since Cornelius and

> > > change the
> > > > world in a big way by their presence, as does Caesar. Just
> because
> > > they're
> > > > wearing the chimp clothes doesn't mean he wouldn't draw it for
> > > comparison.
> > > > There's no way the authorities would give their clothes to

> > > and Stevie.
> > > > I imagine it ended up like the Ark in "Raiders", some

> > > warehouse
> > > > somewhere (though what happened to the clothes might make an
> > > interesting
> > > > comics story). - - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
>
>
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>
>

>
>
>

> Last night, I mentioned that in an old issue of Marvel's Planet of

> magazine (Issue # 13, August 1975 cover date) there was an

> Bill Blake and Paula Christ in which they were asked about the apes
> "glyphics." I have typed out the part of the interview in which

> discussed... Here it is:
>
> Whitmore: I know you have the originals, so I'll put the question

> that's been in my mind since the first film: do those scroll plates

> anything?
>
> Crist: 20th never did define the reason for the plates, so we did

> research and made up our own logical reasons.*First off you will

> gentleman's costume has the large armband, two thinner bands, and

> large band at the bottom of the sleeve, where the scroll plate is.

> movie, little Lucius, Lou Wagner, didn't havethe heavy upper strip

> scroll plate. So what I've assumed from watching the films and then

> the costume layouts is that a young chimp reaching maturity-just

> Jewish boy who goes thru the Bar Mitzvah ceremony to become a man

> world-receives a top bar and scroll plate. This is the explanation

> stage.
>
> Whitmore: Were you able to go to 20th to see if they ever had

> mind about this?
>
> Crist: Unfortunately, a lot of the history is lost. Every

> is a seperate entity, so getting the coordinated is pretty hard.

> busy on new productions, etc. The man who designed the costumes,

> would be the one who would know. But I don't know where to find him.
>
> Blake: He's in Italy right now.
>
> Crist: Short of getting hold of him, you see, we've done the best

> There are other things we've deduced. On the front part of the

> the first movie, only Zira and Cornelius have the scroll plate with

> half-moon heiroglyphic above it. No one else had it in the film

> (sic), the head of the gorillas, who had it on his ammuntion

> markings were different. The designs you see on these costumes were

> the chimpanzees. "Glyphics," the studio wants to call them. Similar

> in a different form were on the orangutan costumes. It's like

> and switching the letters around; it becomes a foreign language.

> back to the chimpanzees. Right now that cresent glyphic is unique

> Zira, Cornelius, and Milo. The logical deduction is that it is the

> DOCTOR. The plate on the chest by itself simply meant they were

>
> Whitmore: That would seem to make sense....
>
> While what she says does make sense in a way, I still can't agree

> it. For example, where she states once "maturity" is reached by the

> then they get the "glyphics". If that's true that young apes get

> "maturity, does that then mean that young gorillas get them earlier

> their lifes (remember the child gorilla, who is younger than Lucius

> them...) Something to think about...
>
> And as far as what she says that the symbol on the chimpanzees

> "scientist," I can't agree with that for the simple reason that

> chimp prefects on the tv show have that symbol on their chest, and

> remember correctly, so does the court room scene chimp in Planet...

> that symbol is something to do with chimps, but who knows....
>

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:52 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Apes Writing

Last night, I mentioned that in an old issue of Marvel's Planet of the Apes magazine (Issue # 13, August 1975 cover date) there was an interview with Bill Blake and Paula Christ in which they were asked about the apes "glyphics." I have typed out the part of the interview in which it's discussed... Here it is:

Whitmore: I know you have the originals, so I'll put the question to you that's been in my mind since the first film: do those scroll plates mean anything?

Crist: 20th never did define the reason for the plates, so we did some research and made up our own logical reasons.*First off you will notice the gentleman's costume has the large armband, two thinner bands, and another large band at the bottom of the sleeve, where the scroll plate is. In the movie, little Lucius, Lou Wagner, didn't havethe heavy upper strip or a scroll plate. So what I've assumed from watching the films and then seeing the costume layouts is that a young chimp reaching maturity-just like a Jewish boy who goes thru the Bar Mitzvah ceremony to become a man in his world-receives a top bar and scroll plate. This is the explanation we give on stage.

Whitmore: Were you able to go to 20th to see if they ever had anything in mind about this?

Crist: Unfortunately, a lot of the history is lost. Every department at 20th is a seperate entity, so getting the coordinated is pretty hard. And they're busy on new productions, etc. The man who designed the costumes, Morton Hack, would be the one who would know. But I don't know where to find him.

Blake: He's in Italy right now.

Crist: Short of getting hold of him, you see, we've done the best we could. There are  other things we've deduced. On the front part of the costumes in the first movie, only Zira and Cornelius have the scroll plate with the tiny half-moon heiroglyphic above it. No one else had it in the film except Markus (sic), the head of the gorillas, who had it on his ammuntion sash...but his markings were different. The designs you see on these costumes were unique to the chimpanzees. "Glyphics," the studio wants to call them. Similar glyphics in a different form were on the orangutan costumes. It's like taking any word and switching the letters around; it becomes a foreign language. But getting back to the chimpanzees. Right now that cresent glyphic is unique to Drs. Zira, Cornelius, and Milo. The logical deduction is that it is the symbol for DOCTOR. The plate on the chest by itself simply meant they were scientists.

Whitmore: That would seem to make sense....

While what she says does make sense in a way, I still can't agree with all of it. For example, where she states once "maturity" is reached by the chimps, then they get the "glyphics". If that's true that young apes get them upon "maturity, does that then mean that young gorillas get them earlier on in their lifes (remember the child gorilla, who is younger than Lucius has them...) Something to think about...

And as far as what she says that the symbol on the chimpanzees chest meaning "scientist," I can't agree with that for the simple reason that some of the chimp prefects on the tv show have that symbol on their chest, and if I remember correctly, so does the court room scene chimp in Planet... Maybe that symbol is something to do with chimps, but who knows....

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:43 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Silly POTA conjectures

In a message dated 9/11/02 9:19:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Yeah, and C and Z went back in time because they wrote themselves into a corner. The reason the costumes were the same is because the banks called the shots. Isn't reality fun? What's your point? - - - Jeff

My point is, Jeffery, that I would rather have the inconsistencies of the series remain "mysteries wrapped in enigmas" rather than have some fan explanations that are silly, ridiculous, desperate and sometimes pathetic.  It's pathetic to have to come up with some sort of convoluted nonsense simply because the writing was sloppy on this movie or that TV show episode.  Oh, when there's a "postulation" that's simple and rather plausible, like what the apes' emblems may mean, then fine, or that Taylor's spaceship was named Icarus when we all know it had no name, that's OK, but when you have to get into the Patrick Michael Tilton Zone to try and make sense of something, that goes too far for me.  Please spare me from trips to the PMT Zone!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:18 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape Writing System


> Maybe they had some gorillas and orangatans as wedding guests.
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Again, how would Caesar know about the gorilla and orang costumes?
> > Etc. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Writing System
> >
> >
> > > Here's a thought. We know that the Apes in the 40th century had
> > > mastered photograghy. It's possible Cornelius and Zira brought
> some
> > > of their wedding photos in the carpet bags. (If you thought you
> were
> > > leaving your home forever wouldn't you bring some pictures?) Maybe
> > > some of these picture were published in the LA Times and maybe
> > > Armando kept these clippings to show to Caeser as he got older.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > > You're dealing with a paradox anyway, since Cornelius and Zira
> > > change the
> > > > world in a big way by their presence, as does Caesar. Just
> because
> > > they're
> > > > wearing the chimp clothes doesn't mean he wouldn't draw it for
> > > comparison.
> > > > There's no way the authorities would give their clothes to Lewis
> > > and Stevie.
> > > > I imagine it ended up like the Ark in "Raiders", some government
> > > warehouse
> > > > somewhere (though what happened to the clothes might make an
> > > interesting
> > > > comics story). - - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Apes Writing


> Thanks Mr Cougar. I wonder if anyone did actually get an answer from
> Hack??? It is possible - I don't think we are the only people in the
> world who have wanted an answer to this question.
>
> Another point....did Hack design costumes in all the films and in the
> TV Series or just the first film and it was adapted after that???
> Mr. Cougar, do you know the answer to this one?
>
> Michael
>
> --- mlccougar@... wrote:
> > Last night, I mentioned that in an old issue of Marvel's Planet of
> the Apes
> > magazine (Issue # 13, August 1975 cover date) there was an
> interview with
> > Bill Blake and Paula Christ in which they were asked about the apes
> > "glyphics." I have typed out the part of the interview in which
> it's
> > discussed... Here it is:
> >
> > Whitmore: I know you have the originals, so I'll put the question
> to you
> > that's been in my mind since the first film: do those scroll plates
> mean
> > anything?
> >
> > Crist: 20th never did define the reason for the plates, so we did
> some
> > research and made up our own logical reasons.*First off you will
> notice the
> > gentleman's costume has the large armband, two thinner bands, and
> another
> > large band at the bottom of the sleeve, where the scroll plate is.
> In the
> > movie, little Lucius, Lou Wagner, didn't havethe heavy upper strip
> or a
> > scroll plate. So what I've assumed from watching the films and then
> seeing
> > the costume layouts is that a young chimp reaching maturity-just
> like a
> > Jewish boy who goes thru the Bar Mitzvah ceremony to become a man
> in his
> > world-receives a top bar and scroll plate. This is the explanation
> we give on
> > stage.
> >
> > Whitmore: Were you able to go to 20th to see if they ever had
> anything in
> > mind about this?
> >
> > Crist: Unfortunately, a lot of the history is lost. Every
> department at 20th
> > is a seperate entity, so getting the coordinated is pretty hard.
> And they're
> > busy on new productions, etc. The man who designed the costumes,
> Morton Hack,
> > would be the one who would know. But I don't know where to find him.
> >
> > Blake: He's in Italy right now.
> >
> > Crist: Short of getting hold of him, you see, we've done the best
> we could.
> > There are other things we've deduced. On the front part of the
> costumes in
> > the first movie, only Zira and Cornelius have the scroll plate with
> the tiny
> > half-moon heiroglyphic above it. No one else had it in the film
> except Markus
> > (sic), the head of the gorillas, who had it on his ammuntion
> sash...but his
> > markings were different. The designs you see on these costumes were
> unique to
> > the chimpanzees. "Glyphics," the studio wants to call them. Similar
> glyphics
> > in a different form were on the orangutan costumes. It's like
> taking any word
> > and switching the letters around; it becomes a foreign language.
> But getting
> > back to the chimpanzees. Right now that cresent glyphic is unique
> to Drs.
> > Zira, Cornelius, and Milo. The logical deduction is that it is the
> symbol for
> > DOCTOR. The plate on the chest by itself simply meant they were
> scientists.
> >
> > Whitmore: That would seem to make sense....
> >
> > While what she says does make sense in a way, I still can't agree
> with all of
> > it. For example, where she states once "maturity" is reached by the
> chimps,
> > then they get the "glyphics". If that's true that young apes get
> them upon
> > "maturity, does that then mean that young gorillas get them earlier
> on in
> > their lifes (remember the child gorilla, who is younger than Lucius
> has
> > them...) Something to think about...
> >
> > And as far as what she says that the symbol on the chimpanzees
> chest meaning
> > "scientist," I can't agree with that for the simple reason that
> some of the
> > chimp prefects on the tv show have that symbol on their chest, and
> if I
> > remember correctly, so does the court room scene chimp in Planet...
> Maybe
> > that symbol is something to do with chimps, but who knows....
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Silly Rory conjectures

In a message dated 9/11/02 11:29:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Well, quite frankly, sir, it's possible there are those who are interested. Even if it were just Patrick and me, we're members of this group too. And neither of us brought up the "Battle" suits in the first place, suggesting there was a third person who was interested. No one shoots you down for talking posters so have some courtesy. There seems to be interest in correcting mistakes and I have yet to hear why my suggestion isn't plausible. Obviously pure, undiluted genius makes some here uncomfortable. But it's on topic. Etc. - - - Jeff

My, my aren't we all so sensitive!  And I'm the idiot who brought up the subject of the suits in BATTLE again!  Boy, why did I do that?

Anyway, Kim Hunter is dead.  Let's drop this subject.

I just watched ESCAPE to remember Kim.  Just wondering, but does anyone know the make of the car Dr. Hasslein is driving?  What a boat that car is.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:18 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Kim is dead

In a message dated 9/12/02 12:09:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Damn! Kim Hunter...it's starting to sink in. What a sweet lady, who always had time for fans. And that came through in Zira. - - - Jeff

I know, this is terrible news.  It hasn't hit as hard as the death of Roddy, but it's damn near it.  Soon all those involved with APES will be gone.  As I'm getting older I'm realizing this is the down side of being a fan of the movies you saw and really cared about as a kid.

Notice we haven't seen anything from T except an empty e-mail.

Anyone seen anything on the news about Kim's passing?  Not me.  Everything is 9/11.  Maybe tomorrow.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:19 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] What the Future holds....


> Today's passing of Kim Hunter (and the recent deaths of J. Lee Thompson
and
> Jeff Corey) drives home one hard fact: as long as this list continues we
will
> be mourning more and more of the principle players from our beloved POTA
> universe. Since I've been here (Feb. 2001), John Chambers has also passed.
> Not to be morbid, but I can't help but wonder whose next? Chuck Heston?
James
> Gregory? Booth Coleman? Natalie Trundy? Ricardo Montalbon? Dick Zanuck?
Linda
> Harrison? Paul Williams? Etc.... I don't want to start a "POTA Death Pool"
> but I do wonder...
>
> Just look how many are already gone: Arthur Jacobs, Roddy McDowall, Pierre
> Boulle, Paul Dehn, Maurice Evans, Franklin Schaffner, James Franciscus,
Don
> Taylor, Sevrin Dardin, Hari Rhodes, James Daly, Mark Lenard, Robert
Gunner,
> Jeff Burton, Sal Mineo, John Huston, and I'm sure many others who I can't
> think of off the top of my head.
>
> Ironically, I watched PLANET just last night on glorious DVD and I was
> marveling at the acting job turned in by Kim Hunter. In the article on the
> IMDB, Hunter was quoted as once saying (in regards to the ape makeup) "The
> only thing of me that came through was my eyeballs." Heck, that's all she
> needed to show here acting prowess! The scenes in the jail and the look in
> her eyes towards Taylor are enough to melt your heart. Thank you Kim
Hunter.
> Travel safely on that "Stairway to Heaven."
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Yes, Kim Hunter. That's sad news but we're getting used to it. I
just got an e-mail from Eric Greene about her death and he said at
least they were part of that documentary before they went. That's
true, including Roddy and Don Taylor. Also, Eric said he doesn't
know the whereabouts of any rare "Conquest" footage. He had Fox do a
search in '93 for it (I don't know how hard they looked!) and he
also talked to J. Lee a couple of times in the '90's. Damn! Kim
Hunter...it's starting to sink in. What a sweet lady, who always had
time for fans. And that came through in Zira. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Silly Rory conjectures


> Here's thought Jeff. Since through your contacts you'll probably
> know where and when the memorial service for Kim will be held; maybe
> we can take up a collection and send flowers from the group (or a
> donation to Kim's favorite charity if the family desires).
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Yes, Kim Hunter. That's sad news but we're getting used to it. I
> just got an e-mail from Eric Greene about her death and he said at
> least they were part of that documentary before they went. That's
> true, including Roddy and Don Taylor. Also, Eric said he doesn't
> know the whereabouts of any rare "Conquest" footage. He had Fox do a
> search in '93 for it (I don't know how hard they looked!) and he
> also talked to J. Lee a couple of times in the '90's. Damn! Kim
> Hunter...it's starting to sink in. What a sweet lady, who always had
> time for fans. And that came through in Zira. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:58 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Forget APES II

Forget about an APES II, Fox has other things on its so called mind.

Fox Eyes Big Screen for 'Idol'

By Dave McNary and Josef Adalian

HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - Signs are pointing toward the big-screen version of Fox TV's hit "American Idol" landing at 20th Century Fox, though no deal has been finalized.

"Idol" creator Simon Fuller and studio co-chairman Tom Rothman both expressed strong interest Tuesday in proceeding with the project, which would represent a triumph of synergy within parent News Corp. if the film goes ahead.

Rothman told investors at Morgan Stanley's communications conference in Miami there was a "good chance" that his studio would develop the film. In response, Fuller issued a statement that said, "I'm very happy to extend my relationship with Fox and News Corp. I'm also looking forward to working closely with my brother Kim Fuller and repeating the success we had together with 'Spice World."'

Speculation has been buzzing about the project. Simon Fuller, who heads 19 Entertainment, confirmed last week he was developing a feature film for "Idol" winner Kelly Clarkson and finalist Justin Guarini, mixing real-life adventures with scripted hijinks.

The Sept. 4 two-hour season finale of "Idol" averaged 22.8 million viewers, giving Fox its second-best viewer tally for an evening of programming.


  
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----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kim Hunter


> Actress Kim Hunter dead of heart attack
>
>
> Played Zira in `Planet of the Apes,'
> Stella in `Streetcar Named Desire'
>
>
>
> ASSOCIATED PRESS
>
>
>
> NEW YORK, Sept. 11 - Kim Hunter, the versatile actress who won a
> supporting Oscar in 1951 as the long-suffering Stella in "A
> Streetcar Named Desire" and appeared in three "Planet of the Apes"
> movies, died Wednesday. She was 79. Hunter died in her Greenwich
> Village apartment from an apparent heart attack, said her daughter,
> Kathryn Emmett.
> `It was pretty claustrophobic and painful to a certain extent. The
> only thing of me that came through was my eyeballs.'
> - KIM HUNTER
> on her role as Zira in 'Planet of the Apes' A SHY, modest
> person, Hunter enjoyed a long and busy career in theater and
> television, less so in films, partly because she was blacklisted
> during the red-hunting 1950s and didn't fit the sexpot pattern for
> female Hollywood stars.
> "A Streetcar Named Desire" provided the highlight of her
> career. The play was cast with Marlon Brando as Stanley Kowalski,
> Karl Malden as Mitch, and Jessica Tandy as the tragic Blanche
> DuBois. Director Elia Kazan admitted in his autobiography, "A Life,"
> that he had trouble casting Stella "because I enjoy looking at
> girls."
> He added of Hunter: "The minute I saw her I was attracted to
> her, which is the best possible reaction when casting young women."
> Brando, Malden and Hunter played their roles in the somewhat
> sanitized film version (Hollywood still adhered to a strict moral
> self-censorship). Because Warner Bros. needed a movie star for
> marquee value, Vivien Leigh, who had appeared as Blanche in London,
> repeated the role in the film.
> Leigh, Malden and Hunter won Academy Awards; despite his
> unforgettable performance, Brando did not. Humphrey Bogart was
> awarded a long overdue Oscar for "The African Queen."
> Hunter told the New Orleans Times-Picayune in 1999 that after
> she left "Streetcar" she tried to avoid seeing the play with other
> casts.
> "It's simply that I have no objectivity about it," she
> said. "It was so much a part of my life, it would be unfair to the
> productions and performers."
>
> BLACKLISTED
> Oscar's legendary golden touch didn't seem to apply to
> Hunter. Her subsequent films were few, and they lacked the luster
> of "Streetcar." Among them: "Deadline U.S.A.," as newspaper editor
> Humphrey Bogart's estranged wife; "Anything Can Happen," as Russian
> immigrant Jose Ferrer's wife; "Storm Center," a minor film starring
> Bette Davis; also "The Young Stranger," "Bermuda Affair,"
> and "Money, Women and Guns."
>
>
>
>
> Her screen career entered a lull in the late '50s, after
> Hunter, a liberal Democrat, was listed as a communist sympathizer by
> Red Channels, a red-hunting pamphlet that influenced hiring by
> studios and TV networks.
> Her return to film was "Lilith" (1964), which starred Warren
> Beatty, Jean Seberg and Peter Fonda. Four years later came "Planet
> of the Apes."
> Hunter was cast as Dr. Zira, a chimpanzee psychiatrist in the
> science fiction classic about a group of astronauts from a ruined
> earth who discover a future world ruled by apes, with humans as
> slaves. The actress spent hours as the makeup and monkey suit were
> applied and later removed.
> "It was pretty claustrophobic and painful to a certain
> extent," she told a reporter in 1998. "The only thing of me that
> came through was my eyeballs."
> She was enough intrigued with the character and the plots
> that she appeared in two sequels, "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"
> (1970) and "Escape from the Planet of the Apes" (1971).
>
> LONELY CHILD
> She recalled later that she was a lonely child who `picked friends
> out of books and played `let's pretend' games, acting out their
> characters before a mirror.'
>
> Hunter was born Janet Cole in Detroit on Nov. 12, 1922; her
> mother had been a concert pianist. She recalled later that she was a
> lonely child who "picked friends out of books and played `let's
> pretend' games, acting out their characters before a mirror."
> At 17 she joined a traveling stock company, then gained more
> seasoning in regional theaters and went to California for a role
> in "Arsenic and Old Lace" at the Pasadena Playhouse.
> She obtained a contract with David O. Selznick, whose first
> move was to change her name. She made her film debut in a low-budget
> RKO horror film, "The Seventh Victim," and followed with secondary
> roles in other features, but eventually returned to the New York
> theater.
> Irene Mayer Selznick was producing "A Streetcar Named Desire"
> in 1947, and Selznick, her ex-husband, recommended Hunter to play
> Stella Kowalski.
> After the "Planet of the Apes" movies, Hunter appeared on
> Broadway in "Darkness at Noon," "The Children's Hour" and "The
> Tender Trap" and toured extensively in regional theater.
> Her television appearances included the soap operas "The Edge
> of Night" and "As the World Turns" plus numerous miniseries, TV
> movies and series.
> Hunter was married to William Baldwin in 1944; they had a
> daughter, Kathryn, and divorced in 1946. In 1951, she married actor
> and producer Robert Emett, with whom she sometimes costarred in
> plays. Their son was named Sean Robert.
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Forget APES II

In a message dated 9/12/02 1:19:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

But yes, there will be an "Apes 2" . - - - Jeff

When do you predict that will be?  Come on, stick your neck out and make a prediction, then we'll see who's right -- in the future!

-- Rory

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--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
> Welcome to the group Tim!
>
> Matt

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
[Unable to display image]Anybody got any idea whatever
became of this item? Wasn't it supposed to be
> released by now?
>
> -- Rory

I saw it on ebay once I think......It's only a gazillion bucks!

>
> Well, when you get up to the recent posts you'll see that I put up

> of many APES posters. I also go through eBay every so often

> people are selling, though I rarely bid on things these days. I

> Greene was bidding on an original ad recently, like this one. . .

> [Unable to display image]
>
> As to how you post pictures, I'd rather someone with more

> told you. All I can say is you put your pointer over the image

> click, a grey box should come up with several options as to

> do. For instance you can left click on "copy," then you open an

> within the text area you left click as if you were about to write but

> you right click. The grey box comes up and you should see an

> "paste." Left click on that and the picture you want to copy

> within the e-mail. You can then type your text above, beside or

> really hate explaining these things because I figure them out in

> way. I'm really not that into computers.
>
> -- Rory

> This photo on the covor doesn't do justice to how beautiful and

> in the movie.
>
> -- Rory

> In a message dated 9/12/02 2:16:06 PM Eastern Daylight

> writes:

>
> Now, you're going to have to tell me how to get to this album of

> haven't a clue.
>
> -- Rory

Actually, there are an infinite number of them, but.... I digress... :o)

 mlccougar@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/12/2002 11:26:28 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Just click this: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/lst?.dir=/Apefan23

 Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/12/02 2:31:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/12/02 2:31:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
apefan23@a...
> writes:
>
>
> > go over to the left over there <<<<<<, and click on photos...my
> > "album: file folder is there as Apefan23
> >
> >
> >
> There is no "left" over there, no photos to click on.

>
> Hunter, whose role in a 1943 Ginger Rogers film about women who lived
> communally during World War II led to her being blacklisted as a suspected
> communist during the 1950s, died of natural causes at her Greenwich Village
> apartment, upstairs from the Cherry Lane Theater, her son, Sean Emmett said.
>

 Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/12/02 4:13:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thypentacle@... writes:

Just click this: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/lst?.dir=/Apefan23

 

I did that and it said "document not found."

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "apefan23" <apefan23@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello All...new to the group


> Hey Rory---oh no...i don't think they drug the bomb across the
> US! There were probably several of them...including one in
> NYC.....you know I never thought about Conquest not being in
> LA...i just assumed since Z/C/M landed there....but Armando
> could have taken Ceaser to....Wyoming!
>
> my collection has grown to the point of i had to kick my roomate
> out and fill the room up with APESHIT! Let's see.... just got all 5
> UK puzzles....only need 3 more MOC Megos....still have my Don
> Post cornelius mask......have been concentrating lately on
> foreign press material...just got a very cool Spanish Escape
> poster (Huida del Planeta de Los Simios!!) ...a few Mexican
> lobbys....am still looking for frisbees, sleeping bag, the 5'
> playhouse, fake feet, bathmat,..etc.....anybody got those? Have
> been up for some very cool rare items on Ebay only to be beat by
> Eric Greene! (Damn him all to hell!! lol)
>
> I still can't figure out how to post pics....do I send them thru email
> to somebody?
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 2:30 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello All...new to the group

In a message dated 9/12/02 12:16:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

How do you post pics on here?
Tim

Like this. . . . .

Anybody got any idea whatever became of this item?  Wasn't it supposed to be released by now?

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

> In a message dated 9/11/02 2:11:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> melkor@... writes:
>
>
> > Yes it was the budget but also the fact that the suits are cool and people
> > wanted to see them again. I liked that they used the same suits. Since
> > the
> > Lawgiver statue in PLANET had the same suit as Dr. Zaius we know the suit
> > design is very old and so using the same designs in BATTLE is plausible.
> > What
> > is less plausible than keeping the same fashions is that the apes in PLANET
> > and
> > BENEATH still use the same dialect of English after 2000 years. It would
> > have been easier for the suits to remain the same than the language.
>
> We don't have any clue from the first two films when the Lawgiver statue was
> made. It could have been done centuries after his death when no ape would
> remember what the Lawgiver actually did wear.

>
> I find it a little funny that you don't mind that the costumes remain
> unchanged for two thousand years, but you still want to beat up the series
> for having the apes speaking English.

> Were the filmmakers supposed to use a
> language no audience could understand? As a kid would you have wanted to
> read subtitles everytime an ape spoke? Cut the series some slack.
>
> -- Rory

>
> Thanks Mr Cougar
>
> I believe the answer is out there.
>
> I'll assume nobody want to go through and get stills of the glyphs???
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 14:44
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Apes Writing
>
>
> In a message dated 9/11/2002 6:24:32 PM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
>
> Thanks Mr Cougar. I wonder if anyone did actually get an answer from
> Hack??? It is possible - I don't think we are the only people in the
> world who have wanted an answer to this question.
>
> Another point....did Hack design costumes in all the films and in the
> TV Series or just the first film and it was adapted after that???
> Mr. Cougar, do you know the answer to this one?
>
> Michael
>
>
> I'll dig thru those Marvel mags and see if I can find anything else about
> the costume designs... I'll post it in the next few days if I do...

> >
> In a message dated 9/11/02 9:39:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
>
> > hhhhmmmm I've always felt the same about fans that theorize about alternate
> > timelines rather than take the films at simple face value.
>
> Theorize?!!! It's not a theory, it's an obvious fact! Anyone with half a
> brain can see that!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: apefan23 [apefan23@...]
> Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 1:27
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hello All...new to the group
>
>
> Where have you people been all my life?! Just discovered this
> forum....what a relief to know that I am not the only whacko in the
> universe....! Am a lifelong fan of Apes and am always searching
> for others to discuss all things apes......seeing how there are
> over 21,000posts already it might take me awhile to catch up!! so
> if I bring up or ask something that has already been
> discussed.....i apologize...maybe someone could steer me to the
> appropriate posts .....
>
> I am deeply saddened by the death of Ms. Hunter....was avoiding
> news yesterday for fear of getting too depressed so I did not
> know until today....while Mr. McDowall has always been the
> shining star of the Ape world.....Kim was the heart and
> soul.....Her sparkling blue eyes ....combining her with Dr. Zira will
> always be a comfort to me.....
>
> Also...I just read the other day that Wahlberg said that the new
> Apes was the first money he ever got any money on the back end
> (from profits) and he said he's up for another (as long as any
> new director respects his no loincloth rule!) ....which it means it
> was a success financially........if it were up to me...they should do
> another withOUT him...or Estella Warren for that matter...and just
> continue with Ari raising Pericles.....just have it about the apes
> dammit...i could go on and on about Burton's film (and how
> disappointed I was) but I'll save it.....
>
> Let's see...anything else? I do have an EXTENSIVE Apes
> collection and am always looking for the rarer items so if any
> body's up for selling let me know........
>
> look forward to discussions and all on this group...i might not
> post every day but I will keep up as good as I can!!!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> Listen to Rory. Usually it is only casual fans who think there is
a circular
> timeline because they can't see all the details.

----- Original Message -----
From: "apefan23" <apefan23@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 8:27 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hello All...new to the group


> Where have you people been all my life?! Just discovered this
> forum....what a relief to know that I am not the only whacko in the
> universe....! Am a lifelong fan of Apes and am always searching
> for others to discuss all things apes......seeing how there are
> over 21,000posts already it might take me awhile to catch up!! so
> if I bring up or ask something that has already been
> discussed.....i apologize...maybe someone could steer me to the
> appropriate posts .....
>
> I am deeply saddened by the death of Ms. Hunter....was avoiding
> news yesterday for fear of getting too depressed so I did not
> know until today....while Mr. McDowall has always been the
> shining star of the Ape world.....Kim was the heart and
> soul.....Her sparkling blue eyes ....combining her with Dr. Zira will
> always be a comfort to me.....
>
> Also...I just read the other day that Wahlberg said that the new
> Apes was the first money he ever got any money on the back end
> (from profits) and he said he's up for another (as long as any
> new director respects his no loincloth rule!) ....which it means it
> was a success financially........if it were up to me...they should do
> another withOUT him...or Estella Warren for that matter...and just
> continue with Ari raising Pericles.....just have it about the apes
> dammit...i could go on and on about Burton's film (and how
> disappointed I was) but I'll save it.....
>
> Let's see...anything else? I do have an EXTENSIVE Apes
> collection and am always looking for the rarer items so if any
> body's up for selling let me know........
>
> look forward to discussions and all on this group...i might not
> post every day but I will keep up as good as I can!!!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:30 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello All...new to the group

In a message dated 9/12/02 12:16:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

How do you post pics on here?
Tim

Like this. . . . .

Anybody got any idea whatever became of this item?  Wasn't it supposed to be released by now?

-- Rory

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