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This website has about a gazillion popups.....neve even got to it...

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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape fashions

In a message dated 9/13/02 10:42:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

As I said
to my wife...Morgan Fairchild, yeah, that's the ticket...the ass is always
greener on the other side of the fence. Etc. - - - Jeff

You're married to Morgan Fairchild!  I see her in those new Old Navy ads.  How's her ass these days?

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/13/02 11:22:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Is it wrong to say that I always kind of liked Brent better than
Taylor anyway...they both overacted like hell but i figured Brent
was pretty cool....you know back on earth...he'd be the one to call
up and say "hey man....let's go get a drink!" .....i think Nova
secretly wanted his child instead of Taylor's......(You know she
did'em both!)

Hey, let's show some respect here!  Nova didn't monkey around.

Check out this comment on Brent from IMDb.com.  It's pretty funny.
   
jbirtel (jbirtel@...)

Date: 14 July 2002
Summary: Could Have Been Great! But boy! It Sucks to be Brent!

(Major Spoilers!!!) "Beneath..." has to rank as one of the meanest movies ever made in its treatment to its main character. Consider this...Brent wakes up to his space ship's crash landing, realizing it's 3955(?)[what happened to 3978?], so everyone he ever knew except Skipper is dead...then skipper dies too! He finds out that (gulp) apes rule, then gets shot for his discovery (same as Taylor). Is rewarded with white, stinging "vet" powder plentifully poured on his (still bleeding) gunshot wound, by Zira. Gets captured and sentenced to ape target practice; en route he gets an ape boot shoved into his larynx while said ape tries to pull his arm off. Escapes while apes on horseback fire their guns at him. Goes underground and realizes where he's at. Painful!...and the movie is only into its first 45 minutes. What else can happen to the poor guy? Well...as his mental stability starts heading toward the brink of insanity, he does some depressing sight-seeing, watches helplessly as mind control forces him to near drown Nova, then face telepathic inquisitors who proceed to scare the crap out of him with a whoosh of fire, fry his ear drums with high pitch sound waves, thought-project agonizing, searing pain that contorts his whole body and again, he watches helplessly as he's forced to near suffocate (poor) Nova with a brutal passionless loo-oong kiss. Then!... he's required to sit still during mass (for some people, this is very painful) and realizes that everyone else in attendance is a replicant of "Gray's Anatomy". He then catches up with friend Taylor (finally)...and Taylor proceeds to beat the crap out of him too, by kicking him in the face and chest, strangling him, shoving his back into cell bars with long sharp spikes sticking out, mercilessly stepping on his face, strangling him some more and delivering some shattering right hooks to the jaw (all under mind control, of course). After the fight, instead of friendly gossip, they realize they're about 100 yards away from an active bomb, not just any old bomb, but THE Doomsday Bomb. And they're trapped inside a locked cell. And an army of Militia Apes are attacking! Finally... escape! but Nova ain't coming. Back to the church, Brent witnesses Taylor (after spending the whole movie trying to locate him) get fatally shot, knows he's now alone and goes on a one man kamikaze assault with his one puny rifle against 100 gorilla sub machine guns. And if that ain't enough, THEN he runs out of ammo! And he doesn't even get the satisfaction of seeing Taylor's final efforts. What happens to him is what you'd want to see happen to the worst of villains, but not to the heroic character. After all this, it would have been better to stay in bed.

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:16 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Top 50 Contest

Damn! Damn! Damn!  Makeup Artist magazine had a contest to pick the top five greatest makeups and we missed out on voting!  It ended on Sept. 1st.  I just saw the latest issue at the newsstand.  There was a great little picture of Dr. Zaius in it I'd never seen before.  In the next issue they'll announce the winners.  Chambers work better be up there.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:27 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA people

In a message dated 9/13/02 1:08:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, melkor@... writes:

> knows some stuff.  But the one person still living that was involved with
> PLANET that I'll be most upset when he dies is. . . . guess
>
> -- Rory

Mark Wahlberg?

Hardly.  It is of course the master Jerry Goldsmith.  Still active in his seventies.  Boy, will I miss him when he's gone.

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:06 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The Marvel timeline

." He brings the circus to play at an unnamed city on the west coast (very likely San Francisco).

Caesar leads his people from the city into the provinces. In this case, the San Francisco peninsula. Here, Caesar attempts to build a new home for his people

Mendez and his loyal followers manage to escape into transnational transport tubes and work their way towards an unknown new home. They take with them the Alpha-Omega device, which has begun to carry an almost religious significance with it.

You see, I blame Marvel for really warping some APES fans' mind.  Where do they get this stuff?  As far as I'm concerned their timeline is bullshit, especially since they include their own comic adventures.  This is not a legit POTA film series timeline stuff.  It's contaminated crap by geeks at Marvel who are probably collecting Social Security by now.  I just don't accept it.  It's fun to read if you're into nostalgia over the Marvel comics, but they came after the film series, and I think part of the devolution of the POTA phenomenon.

-- Rory 






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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:32 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] IMBd.com Top 250

Well, PLANET OF THE APES is now up to 228 on the IMDb.com Top 250, catching up with KING KONG at 210.

We need to get more people to vote!

-- Rory

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From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:10 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Apes Writing (OT)

Well maybe it's cause we've seen more death and destruction in the
last year than anyone should see in a lifetime.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> I love when those guys in New York say stuff like that!  What a
bunch of
> mommalukes!



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I remember when I was a kid, in grammar school, they gave out discount tickets to see the last movie.  We went to go see it, nowhere near it's original release, at a theater in the neighborhood.  And we stood on line longer than we did for The Empire Strikes Back.

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That's a cool picture! Where did you get it? - - Jeff

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello All...new to the group


> "apefan23" <apefan23@...> wrote:
> > Hey Rory---oh no...i don't think they drug the bomb across the
> > US! There were probably several of them...including one in
> > NYC.....you know I never thought about Conquest not being in
> > LA...i just assumed since Z/C/M landed there....but Armando
> > could have taken Ceaser to....Wyoming!
>
> You know what, we've all argued before about where Conquest is, but it
> can be laid to rest easily if we employ PMTiltonistic tactics and take
> every little detail to be gospel. If we do, then this photo proves
> conclusively where Conquest was set.
>
> (and yes, I am joking before anyone starts trying to argue a case
> against it)
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:11 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello All...new to the group

In a message dated 9/13/02 12:03:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

I get around a lot.  What's your point?

The POTA TV series came out on DVD last November!  That's what I meant.

My name is Rory.  I've been a member of this group for a year and a half or more.  Why don't you introduce yourself?  How long have you been into APES?  Which film is your favorite?  What do you like best?  The movies?  The TV show?  Cartoon?  Comics?  The new movie (aka The piece of Crap)?

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/13/02 11:47:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  It'll be there. Even Rick Baker said POTA inspired more people to become makeup artists than any other movie. Etc.   - - - Jeff

Yeah, I voted anyway.  My top five makeups were:

1. PLANET OF THE APES (1968)
2. BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN
3. THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME (1939)
4. THE WIZARD OF OZ
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In a message dated 9/14/02 12:04:27 AM, Haristas@... writes:

<< Yeah, I voted anyway. My top five makeups were:

1. PLANET OF THE APES (1968)
2. BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN
3. THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME (1939)
4. THE WIZARD OF OZ
5. Mmmm, I can't remember what I put fifth. >>

KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park?

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 1:16 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re:ape radio

In a message dated 9/13/2002 10:11:18 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Funny looking thing, isn't it.  Of course, I'd rather its photos were all from PLANET.

"All"??? "All"??? There's not one photo on there from Planet, just an Escape photo, and that drawing of Caesar & Aldo...

Which leads to my question to anyone who may know... Why did they use SOOOO MANY photos from Escape and Battle, (rather than Planet, Beneath, & Conquest?) on those toys, puzzles, etc...? Were they cheaper to license or something? It certainly can't be from a lack of photos from Planet, etc, as we all know there are plenty of them...

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 1:47 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re:ape radio

In a message dated 9/13/2002 3:42:03 PM Central Standard Time, ktaylor@... writes:

I don't think Chucky allowed for his likeness to be used on merchandise ( except for the original movie gumcards ) so that would have eliminated quite a few photo options. Even the Marvel mag stopped using shots of the human actors ( from the movies) after a couple of issues for the same reason.I also think that at the time Fox just gave who ever had the liscence to create stuff a bunch of images without really any specific instructions. They would have had to go through all the stringent approval processes that they do these days.I'm just speculating here.
Best,
KEN

I was aware of what you said about Heston, as well as what you said about the Marvel mags... I still find it odd, even just flat out stupid, the way they passed off some Apes as others..

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My name is Rich, Rory, and thanks for the intro.  I've been into the Planet of the Apes movies since I saw the first one on the 4:30 movie on Channel 7 here in NYC. I like the movies the best, although the novel wasn't bad for a Frenchmen.  I've got vague memories of the cartoon as a kid, and I look at the tv show as a starving man looks at an appetizer.

I used to live on Long Island in the sixties, so I remember the channel 7 4:30 movie.  I moved upstate in '70 though, long before they began showing them, but when I lived in East Islip, L.I. for a year in '84 -- '85 I had a girlfriend and when I asked her if she like "Planet of the Apes" the first thing she said was "The 4:30 movie."
I saw PLANET when it first came out in '68 at a theatre in Wantagh on Long Island.

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/14/02 12:07:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@... writes:

<< Yeah, I voted anyway.  My top five makeups were:

1. PLANET OF THE APES (1968)
2. BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN
3. THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME (1939)
4. THE WIZARD OF OZ
5. Mmmm, I can't remember what I put fifth. >>

KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park?

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From: JamesA1102@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:52 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Apes Writing

here's the shot. It's hard to tell but it looks more like a 19 than a 9 to me.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Yeah not only that, but on the apesonline.com site chat board, someone
> noticed that in Beneath theres a scene that shows the Lexington Ave. platform
> and it say . . .
> 9-11 LEX  Wooooooooo....  That's as creepy as 911 comming up in the New York
> pick 3 lotto yesterday.

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Thanks T for the info. She seemed very nervous at the 30th Ann. Ape Party;
after the screening she just took off. She was the first one to leave. She
autographed my book but even Eric Greene missed out. Maybe she had a fear of
crowds, whatever that's called. She seemed like such a sweet, warm, open
person that this reaction kind of threw me for a loop. But you had far more
interaction with her than I did, so you'd know more. - - - Jeff

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] morning


>
> Yes Tim,
>
> I did know her. Far better than she knew me actually. But that's
> certainly understandable not being well know outside of Texas or DFW for
that
> matter. My father's the same age, and he'll tell me the same thing two
weeks
> in a row. So, having been a name on a letter, or a disembodied voice on
the
> telephone, I probably was not a very memorable figure in her life before
we
> met.
>
> Luckily I was able to met her last year at the Memphis Film
Festival.
> I was surprised none of you were there, but I know many of you live in
> coastal digs, east and west, or on the other side of the planet. However
> since I'm more or less in the neighborhood, I couldn't let the opportunity
> slide. I have more pictures of her, but not with her. I got those
snapshots
> out of the way the first day. And spent the rest of the time day after
day,
> going back through the line, getting her to sign four or five things, and
> then getting back into the line again and again, until she went back to
her
> room. This went on the rest of the week, sometimes twice a day. Believe
it
> or not, I still have things I didn't bring that remain unsigned, but I
though
> I'd have another opportunity. Not that I constantly was handing her
> something to sign. I'd see her around the hotel, in the elevator or the
> restaurant, and not make a pest of myself. Though she did some Q & A
> sessions on a panel, and after the screening of Streetcar. I didn't have
> many unanswered questions so I didn't participate too much.
>
> The last night we spent quite a bit of time together trying to
sleep
> in the lounge in the lobby of the hotel when the power went out. She
wasn't
> down there because she was an insomniac, like me. She's always been as
> nervous as a cat, which is unusual for an actress. I hold the terrorists,
at
> least indirectly, responsible for her death. It's a tense time for
everyone.
> But her apartment isn't even a mile and a half from ground zero as the
crow
> flies.
>
> I was worried about her last year when the phones were out. But I
was
> able to get through to her son, Sean Emmett, and he said that they didn't
> evacuate passed 1st Street and that she was fine. Perhaps he was just
> shining me on. I've only talked to Sean a few times. A decade ago, when I
> was trying to get her phone number, he blew me off, but understandably so.
I
> hope he's not shining me on this time and will call back with the info, so
> respects can be paid properly. Perhaps I'm on his pest list. I tried
> calling the apartment hoping his older sister Kathryn was there, since
she's
> a lawyer and is probably directing her mother's affairs. But the number
is
> no longer in service -- also understandable. I don't know how to get
ahold
> of Kathy. She married David Rosen, and may still be -- or divorced and
gone
> back to her father's name Baldwin -- or remarried and have a completely
> different last name by now -- who knows? If I don't get a call perhaps
one
> of the apes fans, someone better known, like Joe Russo, can get through.
I
> guess I could give you Sean's address, but inundating his house with
flowers
> might not be the thing to do.
>
> This is getting quite long winded, but I'm trying to answer all
your
> questions as best I can. I hope I have. If I have missed something
please
> don't hesitate to ask.
>
> T
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:25 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape fashions

In a message dated 9/13/02 10:42:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

As I said
to my wife...Morgan Fairchild, yeah, that's the ticket...the ass is always
greener on the other side of the fence. Etc. - - - Jeff

You're married to Morgan Fairchild!  I see her in those new Old Navy ads.  How's her ass these days?

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Has anyone ever been in Grand Central Station?  Or the New York, New York Casino in Vegas? It's very spooky how close this photo is.

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Thanks, T. For those who are interested, Jeff Corey's memorial is Sept. 28
at the Mark Taper Forum in L.A. - - Jeff

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] morning


>
> I found Kathy's number, so if I don't hear from Sean today I'll call her
> about the info tomorrow. When I have it I'll pass it along to you guys.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:47 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] That settles it

  Even "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" is getting a sequel, says
www.comingsoon.net . POTA2001 is oficially an underachiever. Etc. - - - Jeff


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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 4:01 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re:ape radio


> Here 'tis.
> Not mine though. I lifted this pic from Ebay when it was on auction.
>
>
>
>
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From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:24 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] NYC in BENEATH

Yeah, those planes really did a job on the city.  James, how do you stand living there?


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I always thought Morgan Fairchild had skinny legs.

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I wouldn't see that movie if you had Raquel Welch pointing a gun to my head.

I saw it (MY BIG FAT GREEK WEDDING).  I don't think they'll do a sequel.  It plays like a sitcom, so they'll probably turn it into a sitcom for real.  Boy, the woman who wrote and stars in it is sure making a lot of money now.  She'll make a lot more on her next screenplay.

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I live in NYC, and I wasn't far from the WTC on 9/11.  Any comment?. Questions?

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 1:32 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] IMBd.com Top 250

Well, PLANET OF THE APES is now up to 228 on the IMDb.com Top 250, catching up with KING KONG at 210.

We need to get more people to vote!

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:05 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello All...new to the group

My name is Rich, Rory, and thanks for the intro.  I've been into the Planet of the Apes movies since I saw the first one on the 4:30 movie on Channel 7 here in NYC. I like the movies the best, although the novel wasn't bad for a Frenchmen.  I've got vague memories of the cartoon as a kid, and I look at the tv show as a starving man looks at an appetizer.

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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello All...new to the group

In a message dated 9/13/02 12:03:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

I get around a lot.  What's your point?

The POTA TV series came out on DVD last November!  That's what I meant.

My name is Rory.  I've been a member of this group for a year and a half or more.  Why don't you introduce yourself?  How long have you been into APES?  Which film is your favorite?  What do you like best?  The movies?  The TV show?  Cartoon?  Comics?  The new movie (aka The piece of Crap)?

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  Not as good as it used to be. I guess that's how I got her. Say "Hi" Morgan.

MORGAN: Hi Morgan.
Tell them why I'm your snuggle bunny.
MORGAN: Because you whisper those cute "Planet of the Ape" movie lines in my ear.
So there you have it. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Ape fashions

I always thought Morgan Fairchild had skinny legs.

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In a message dated 9/13/02 10:42:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

As I said
to my wife...Morgan Fairchild, yeah, that's the ticket...the ass is always
greener on the other side of the fence. Etc. - - - Jeff

You're married to Morgan Fairchild!  I see her in those new Old Navy ads.  How's her ass these days?

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I watched the original King Kong on TCM the other night.  As bad as the special effects were, they seem very impressive for the time.

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  Hey, I like that appetizer line! - - - Jeff

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  Thanks, T. For those who are interested, Jeff Corey's memorial is Sept. 28
at the Mark Taper Forum in L.A. - - Jeff

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  Hey, I like that appetizer line! - - - Jeff

Oh, here's a good one I just thought up.  If the POTA TV show is an appetizer, then I know what appetizer it is.

A poo poo platter.

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From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:38 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] IMBd.com Top 250

In a message dated 9/14/02 12:33:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

I watched the original King Kong on TCM the other night.  As bad as the special effects were, they seem very impressive for the time.

I think the special effects in that movie are still pretty amazing.  How would you like to spend all day moving a model a little at a time and end up with less than a minute of footage?  Show some respect youngster.

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 2:39 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Writing System

Jeff <veetus@...> wrote:
>   Keeping that stuff around would be pretty incriminating. And how
would
> Caesar know what the gorillas and orangs wore. Why is it so hard to
believe
> that Armando was curious about their culture and during a discussion
with
> Cornelius some sketches were drawn.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Caesar and friends didn't
know about the clothes worn by Cornelius and Zira, they invented them
all by themselves and the designs remained in use for a couple of
thousand years, which is why Cornelius & Zira were able to be wearing
them. It's simple, it's all to do with the circular timeline - "it's
an obvious fact!  Anyone with half a brain can see that!"

Alan



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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 4:12 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Out come the vultures

Not totally unexpected.

I, for one, cherish each and every one of my autographs.  Including those not
signed in person, those that address others, and even a couple of confirmed
forgeries.  I think it's flattering that they think her autograph worth
faking.  If I sell any of my collection they will more than likely be
unsigned duplicates.  I was hurt, that some guy who could throw a ball pretty
good, got more coverage.  But perhaps I'm over sensitized to it.  There are a
lot of football fans out there.  But since Jones ran the Cowboys into the
ground, I've switched to hockey.  At least the Stars won a championship in
recently memory.


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  Once again, Chuck lost out. Just as he now says he could've made a lot of money doing sequels, today actors willingly let their likenesses be used in merchandising, because they get a cut. Big stars like Jim Carrey and Mike Meyers even go to the toy shows to stump. The money stars make now is just horrendous. They make Chuck look like a pauper. - - Jeff

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re:ape radio

I don't think Chucky allowed for his likeness to be used on merchandise ( except for the original movie gumcards ) so that would have eliminated quite a few photo options. Even the Marvel mag stopped using shots of the human actors ( from the movies) after a couple of issues for the same reason.I also think that at the time Fox just gave who ever had the liscence to create stuff a bunch of images without really any specific instructions. They would have had to go through all the stringent approval processes that they do these days.I'm just speculating here.

Best,

KEN

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In a message dated 9/13/2002 10:11:18 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Funny looking thing, isn't it.  Of course, I'd rather its photos were all from PLANET.

"All"??? "All"??? There's not one photo on there from Planet, just an Escape photo, and that drawing of Caesar & Aldo...

Which leads to my question to anyone who may know... Why did they use SOOOO MANY photos from Escape and Battle, (rather than Planet, Beneath, & Conquest?) on those toys, puzzles, etc...? Were they cheaper to license or something? It certainly can't be from a lack of photos from Planet, etc, as we all know there are plenty of them...

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In a message dated 9/13/02 11:22:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Is it wrong to say that I always kind of liked Brent better than
Taylor anyway...they both overacted like hell but i figured Brent
was pretty cool....you know back on earth...he'd be the one to call
up and say "hey man....let's go get a drink!" .....i think Nova
secretly wanted his child instead of Taylor's......(You know she
did'em both!)

Hey, let's show some respect here!  Nova didn't monkey around.

Check out this comment on Brent from IMDb.com.  It's pretty funny.
   
jbirtel (jbirtel@...)

Date: 14 July 2002
Summary: Could Have Been Great! But boy! It Sucks to be Brent!

(Major Spoilers!!!) "Beneath..." has to rank as one of the meanest movies ever made in its treatment to its main character. Consider this...Brent wakes up to his space ship's crash landing, realizing it's 3955(?)[what happened to 3978?], so everyone he ever knew except Skipper is dead...then skipper dies too! He finds out that (gulp) apes rule, then gets shot for his discovery (same as Taylor). Is rewarded with white, stinging "vet" powder plentifully poured on his (still bleeding) gunshot wound, by Zira. Gets captured and sentenced to ape target practice; en route he gets an ape boot shoved into his larynx while said ape tries to pull his arm off. Escapes while apes on horseback fire their guns at him. Goes underground and realizes where he's at. Painful!...and the movie is only into its first 45 minutes. What else can happen to the poor guy? Well...as his mental stability starts heading toward the brink of insanity, he does some depressing sight-seeing, watches helplessly as mind control forces him to near drown Nova, then face telepathic inquisitors who proceed to scare the crap out of him with a whoosh of fire, fry his ear drums with high pitch sound waves, thought-project agonizing, searing pain that contorts his whole body and again, he watches helplessly as he's forced to near suffocate (poor) Nova with a brutal passionless loo-oong kiss. Then!... he's required to sit still during mass (for some people, this is very painful) and realizes that everyone else in attendance is a replicant of "Gray's Anatomy". He then catches up with friend Taylor (finally)...and Taylor proceeds to beat the crap out of him too, by kicking him in the face and chest, strangling him, shoving his back into cell bars with long sharp spikes sticking out, mercilessly stepping on his face, strangling him some more and delivering some shattering right hooks to the jaw (all under mind control, of course). After the fight, instead of friendly gossip, they realize they're about 100 yards away from an active bomb, not just any old bomb, but THE Doomsday Bomb. And they're trapped inside a locked cell. And an army of Militia Apes are attacking! Finally... escape! but Nova ain't coming. Back to the church, Brent witnesses Taylor (after spending the whole movie trying to locate him) get fatally shot, knows he's now alone and goes on a one man kamikaze assault with his one puny rifle against 100 gorilla sub machine guns. And if that ain't enough, THEN he runs out of ammo! And he doesn't even get the satisfaction of seeing Taylor's final efforts. What happens to him is what you'd want to see happen to the worst of villains, but not to the heroic character. After all this, it would have been better to stay in bed.

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Thanks T for the info. She seemed very nervous at the 30th Ann. Ape Party;
after the screening she just took off. She was the first one to leave. She
autographed my book but even Eric Greene missed out. Maybe she had a fear of
crowds, whatever that's called.

More than likely she was just tired.  Quite often she would go up to her room early to have a rest.  When we were sitting in the dark in the lounge the last night, I could have talked to her till dawn, but I didn't say much.  I wanted her to get some rest.  I couldn't really sleep myself.  Too worried about her having to sleep in public, so I just kept one eye open to watch over her.  The PBS guy who, was sort of running the show, knew she was nervous and would appear out of the darkness from time to time and tell show biz stories, and bore her back to sleep.  Didn't work on me though.  I had to drive back to Big D without a wink, but I hardly slept all week anyway.  Too excited!  That and I've had one of those damned Sam's mattresses before -- they are awful!  Kim was nice enough to offer me a Danish and orange juice before I had to hit the road.  That and plenty of sugar and caffeine got be home alright.  And after a nasty email to Holiday Inn Select .com I got a refund back on the last night.  I got a refund back on the first day of the festival as well.  Those kooks thought including a flyer from last years fest would be a good idea and I showed up on Wednesday instead of Tuesday when it actually started.  Just as well.  I couldn't really afford to be there at all.  But I wouldn't have missed it for the world!

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  www.dvdfile.com

says Fox announced today they are starting a new line of DVDs called "Fox Studio Classics". These will come from their vaults and be released monthly starting in January with "All About Eve", "Gentlemen's Agreement" and Roddy's "How Green Was My Valley". These will be remastered and have extras. Maybe this is how they are releasing POTA? Although I'm pulling for a "5-Star Collection". - - - Jeff



Those movies are already out!?  Well, I'm glad I had bothered buying "How Green Was My Valley."  (Roddy was so cute in that!)

I'm sure they're working on a 5 Star PLANET, in fact I know they are because they've called me and asked if I'd produce the DVD.

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:12 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] morning

       Yes Tim,

       I did know her.  Far better than she knew me actually.  But that's
certainly understandable not being well know outside of Texas or DFW for that
matter.  My father's the same age, and he'll tell me the same thing two weeks
in a row.  So, having been a name on a letter, or a disembodied voice on the
telephone, I probably was not a very memorable figure in her life before we
met.

       Luckily I was able to met her last year at the Memphis Film Festival. 
I was surprised none of you were there, but I know many of you live in
coastal digs, east and west, or on the other side of the planet.  However
since I'm more or less in the neighborhood, I couldn't let the opportunity
slide.  I have more pictures of her, but not with her.  I got those snapshots
out of the way the first day.  And spent the rest of the time day after day,
going back through the line, getting her to sign four or five things, and
then getting back into the line again and again, until she went back to her
room.  This went on the rest of the week, sometimes twice a day.  Believe it
or not, I still have things I didn't bring that remain unsigned, but I though
I'd have another opportunity.  Not that I constantly was handing her
something to sign.  I'd see her around the hotel, in the elevator or the
restaurant, and not make a pest of myself.  Though she did some Q & A
sessions on a panel, and after the screening of Streetcar.  I didn't have
many unanswered questions so I didn't participate too much.
 
       The last night we spent quite a bit of time together trying to sleep
in the lounge in the lobby of the hotel when the power went out.  She wasn't
down there because she was an insomniac, like me.  She's always been as
nervous as a cat, which is unusual for an actress.  I hold the terrorists, at
least indirectly, responsible for her death.  It's a tense time for everyone.
But her apartment isn't even a mile and a half from ground zero as the crow
flies.  

       I was worried about her last year when the phones were out.  But I was
able to get through to her son, Sean Emmett, and he said that they didn't
evacuate passed 1st Street and that she was fine.  Perhaps he was just
shining me on.  I've only talked to Sean a few times. A decade ago, when I
was trying to get her phone number, he blew me off, but understandably so.  I
hope he's not shining me on this time and will call back with the info, so
respects can be paid properly.  Perhaps I'm on his pest list.  I tried
calling the apartment hoping his older sister Kathryn was there, since she's
a lawyer and is probably directing her mother's affairs.  But the number is
no longer in service -- also understandable.  I don't know how to get ahold
of Kathy.  She married David Rosen, and may still be -- or divorced and gone
back to her father's name Baldwin -- or remarried and have a completely
different last name by now -- who knows?  If I don't get a call perhaps one
of the apes fans, someone better known, like Joe Russo, can get through.  I
guess I could give you Sean's address, but inundating his house with flowers
might not be the thing to do.

       This is getting quite long winded, but I'm trying to answer all your
questions as best I can.  I hope I have.  If I have missed something please
don't hesitate to ask.

T


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  Not I,sir. Eric might. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:39 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: NYC

If I had been in NYC I'd have been taking Kim ice cream for her hip and
aspirin for her heart, but hindsight is always 20/20.


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From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:13 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello All...new to the group

In a message dated 9/14/02 12:03:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

My name is Rich, Rory, and thanks for the intro.  I've been into the Planet of the Apes movies since I saw the first one on the 4:30 movie on Channel 7 here in NYC. I like the movies the best, although the novel wasn't bad for a Frenchmen.  I've got vague memories of the cartoon as a kid, and I look at the tv show as a starving man looks at an appetizer.

I used to live on Long Island in the sixties, so I remember the channel 7 4:30 movie.  I moved upstate in '70 though, long before they began showing them, but when I lived in East Islip, L.I. for a year in '84 -- '85 I had a girlfriend and when I asked her if she like "Planet of the Apes" the first thing she said was "The 4:30 movie."
I saw PLANET when it first came out in '68 at a theatre in Wantagh on Long Island.

-- Rory

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Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:30 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] That settles it

In a message dated 9/14/02 12:23:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

I wouldn't see that movie if you had Raquel Welch pointing a gun to my head.

I saw it (MY BIG FAT GREEK WEDDING).  I don't think they'll do a sequel.  It plays like a sitcom, so they'll probably turn it into a sitcom for real.  Boy, the woman who wrote and stars in it is sure making a lot of money now.  She'll make a lot more on her next screenplay.

As for your comment, Rich.  Raquel is a little too old now, but the Raquel of the sixties. . . . She could do anything she wanted to me.

-- Rory

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Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:31 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] NYC in BENEATH

In a message dated 9/14/02 12:23:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

I live in NYC, and I wasn't far from the WTC on 9/11.  Any comment?. Questions?

Did you see James there?  He says he got some dust in his lungs.

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Hey, I saw Raquel on some tv movie, and she's still hot.

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Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:38 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] IMBd.com Top 250

In a message dated 9/14/02 12:33:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

I watched the original King Kong on TCM the other night.  As bad as the special effects were, they seem very impressive for the time.

I think the special effects in that movie are still pretty amazing.  How would you like to spend all day moving a model a little at a time and end up with less than a minute of footage?  Show some respect youngster.

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Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:53 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re:ape radio

In a message dated 9/14/02 12:51:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Once again, Chuck lost out. Just as he now says he could've made a lot of money doing sequels, today actors willingly let their likenesses be used in merchandising, because they get a cut. Big stars like Jim Carrey and Mike Meyers even go to the toy shows to stump. The money stars make now is just horrendous. They make Chuck look like a pauper. - - Jeff

It's okay, Chuck soon won't know any difference.

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That's a really shitty thing to say.

But true!

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Hockey? Do monkeys play hockey?

Hey at least let;s stick to American sports.

Hey, after what the PM of Canada said I'm ready to give that up as well.  And after we've blown those terrorist nations back into the stone age we should turn our attentions to them!  They're practically French ya know!  As for the scorn of the more liberal members of the group.  I am unconcerned.  I am beyond their timid lying morality, and so I am beyond caring.  Perhaps that's a bit harsh, but when I think of the strain they put on poor Kim's heart, I just go Berserk!  Perhaps you know of The Sons Of Lee Marvin.  It's a semisecret society started by Tom Waits, Jim Jarmusch, some others.  All you have to do to join is look and sound a bit like Lee Marvin, and try and live like him.  One of them was in a bar somewhere, and I guy walked up to them and said, "I know what you're doing.  And I don't like it!"  It was Lee Marvin's son.  Well, I'm officially starting The Sons, and daughters, Of Kim Hunter!  All you have to do to be in is care.  She cared.  Cared about the things that really matter.  Or at least she acted like she did.  I couldn't tell the difference if she didn't.  Damned good actress.  So I guess you just have to act like you care.  Someone has to begin to care!  But I'm getting as long winded as Pat.  So I guess I'll get to . . . *

* THE ANSWERS TO THE TRIVIA QUESTION: What films were quoted?

1. Apocalypse No
2. Billy Jack
3. Chariots Of Fire
4. Escape From The Planet Of The Apes.

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Guess what? Not all fans want to speak with fans, especially on days when 3,000+ have been killed.

I have no idea what that means.

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I can't think of an MD in the US who would recommend ice cream.

I would.  Except for the heart condition of course.  But not only does it have calcium for the bones, and put some padding on them.  But it tastes good too!  Life needs a little ice cream in it.  And cake.

"No cake -- no sing.  No sing -- no Doors."
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That's a really shitty thing to say.

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Rory's just joking with you. Chill.

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:59 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] morning

Thanks T for the info. She seemed very nervous at the 30th Ann. Ape Party;
after the screening she just took off. She was the first one to leave. She
autographed my book but even Eric Greene missed out. Maybe she had a fear of
crowds, whatever that's called.

More than likely she was just tired.  Quite often she would go up to her room early to have a rest.  When we were sitting in the dark in the lounge the last night, I could have talked to her till dawn, but I didn't say much.  I wanted her to get some rest.  I couldn't really sleep myself.  Too worried about her having to sleep in public, so I just kept one eye open to watch over her.  The PBS guy who, was sort of running the show, knew she was nervous and would appear out of the darkness from time to time and tell show biz stories, and bore her back to sleep.  Didn't work on me though.  I had to drive back to Big D without a wink, but I hardly slept all week anyway.  Too excited!  That and I've had one of those damned Sam's mattresses before -- they are awful!  Kim was nice enough to offer me a Danish and orange juice before I had to hit the road.  That and plenty of sugar and caffeine got be home alright.  And after a nasty email to Holiday Inn Select .com I got a refund back on the last night.  I got a refund back on the first day of the festival as well.  Those kooks thought including a flyer from last years fest would be a good idea and I showed up on Wednesday instead of Tuesday when it actually started.  Just as well.  I couldn't really afford to be there at all.  But I wouldn't have missed it for the world!

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:59 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox's new DVD line (OT?)

In a message dated 9/14/02 12:55:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  www.dvdfile.com

says Fox announced today they are starting a new line of DVDs called "Fox Studio Classics". These will come from their vaults and be released monthly starting in January with "All About Eve", "Gentlemen's Agreement" and Roddy's "How Green Was My Valley". These will be remastered and have extras. Maybe this is how they are releasing POTA? Although I'm pulling for a "5-Star Collection". - - - Jeff

Those movies are already out!?  Well, I'm glad I had bothered buying "How Green Was My Valley."  (Roddy was so cute in that!)

I'm sure they're working on a 5 Star PLANET, in fact I know they are because they've called me and asked if I'd produce the DVD.

Oh, if only!

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:44 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: NYC

I can't think of an MD in the US who would recommend ice cream.

I would.  Except for the heart condition of course.  But not only does it have calcium for the bones, and put some padding on them.  But it tastes good too!  Life needs a little ice cream in it.  And cake.

"No cake -- no sing.  No sing -- no Doors."
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James defending Rory? Now I've seen everything! - - - Jeff

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Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re:ape radio


> Rory's just joking with you. Chill.
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> --- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
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Come on it's not like I'm defending Patrick!!!

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Rory's just joking with you. Chill.

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> Just because something is true, doesn't mean it has to be said.

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  I guess that makes sense that she was tired, since she was up in years. But the impression I got was she wanted to get the hell out of there. Which didn't make any sense. First of all because it was L.A., which wasn't her stomping ground. Plus, the occasion. I'd think she'd want to talk to Roddy and Heston, etc., what a rare opportunity. But the fact is everybody cut out early. Roddy, we now know, knew he was dying. Natalie told me he was in a hurry to get back to his beloved New York. But I just couldn't fathom they were all in such  a hurry to leave. The only one who stayed was Natalie and , of course, it was a celebration of her husband's legacy (she was the keynote speaker). But again I say I don't fathom it. If people were celebrating my work 30 years later I would be so thrilled I'd be there 'til the cows come home. Etc. - - - Jeff

I guess to Heston, Hunter, McDowall PLANET was just a gig they had thirty years ago.  That's the way it is sometimes.  Fans often don't understand it, but with actors movies are just a means to make a living.  Often they resent it when a cult forms around a work they really didn't care that much for.  That's not to say the people who worked on PLANET didn't care for it, but that they're just not obssessed with it.  I recently read some things in a couple books about Clint Eastwood.  Now my favorite Eastwood movie is KELLY'S HEROES, but Eastwood it turns out doesn't think much of it and thinks that the final cut that was released is just awful.  Oh well.

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  As a matter of fact I'm reading Jack Kerouc's "On the Road" right now, the seminal beatnik novel, and his diet is apple pie and ice cream because it has all the nutrients. Etc. - - - Jeff

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  James defending Rory? Now I've seen everything! - - - Jeff

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Come on it's not like I'm defending Patrick!!!

OK, it's the weekend, where's Patrick Michael Tilton?  What's the lesson for today?  Lay it on me, Patty ol' boy, ol' bean!

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Jeff <veetus@...> wrote:

> That's a cool picture! Where did you get it? - - Jeff

I scanned it from an old magazine article, but I'm pretty sure I
remember seeing it on a publicity/FoH still from some European country
somewhere.

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> Yeah, I voted anyway. My top five makeups were:
>
> 1. PLANET OF THE APES (1968)
> 2. BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN
> 3. THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME (1939)
> 4. THE WIZARD OF OZ
> 5. Mmmm, I can't remember what I put fifth.

Time of the Apes?

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> Hey, does anybody know what's happening with the release of the

Medicom

> figures in America? I thought they were supposed to be out in

September.

Yeah, the first few should be appearing sometime soon. I'm a bit
pissed off though - I thought I would finally get the three figures
I'm missing (Lawgiver and two of the astronauts) and at reasonable
prices no less. Every month they've been teasing me in Previews by
soliciting a few that I already have, until finally they get round to
the three I need, the very last three in the series that they are
releasing... and for some reason Previews says that these ones are
going to be exclusive to North America! AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGH!!!!!!!

The only three I need, and it appears they're the only three that I
can't order from my usual UK dealer. Looks like I will have to pay
ridiculous prices after all...

Alan

Hey Alan. If you want maybe one of us here in the US can pick them
up and ship them to you when they are released.

--- In pota@y..., "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:
> Yeah, the first few should be appearing sometime soon. I'm a bit
> pissed off though - I thought I would finally get the three figures
> I'm missing (Lawgiver and two of the astronauts) and at reasonable
> prices no less. Every month they've been teasing me in Previews by
> soliciting a few that I already have, until finally they get round
to
> the three I need, the very last three in the series that they are
> releasing... and for some reason Previews says that these ones are
> going to be exclusive to North America! AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGH!!!!!!!
>
> The only three I need, and it appears they're the only three that I
> can't order from my usual UK dealer. Looks like I will have to pay
> ridiculous prices after all...
>
> Alan

Speak for yourself. I for one am enjoying the quiet.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> OK, it's the weekend, where's Patrick Michael Tilton? What's the
lesson for
> today? Lay it on me, Patty ol' boy, ol' bean!
>
> -- Rory

BTW Welcome to the group Rich. I remember the 4:30 Movie too. But I
use to hate how they would show Planet in 2 parts then skip one of
the films to fit them in to 5 days. Then they would cut the crap out
of the other films to fit them into 90 minutes with commercials. A
friend of mine use to call them the 4:30 film clips.

--- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> My name is Rich, Rory, and thanks for the intro. I've been into
the Planet of the Apes movies since I saw the first one on the 4:30
movie on Channel 7 here in NYC. I like the movies the best, although
the novel wasn't bad for a Frenchmen. I've got vague memories of
the cartoon as a kid, and I look at the tv show as a starving man
looks at an appetizer.

I've been in both. I remember going to Grand Central the first time
as a kid and seeing that exit to Vanderbilt avenue. I was like 'wow
that's from Beneath the Planet of the Apes'.

--- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> Has anyone ever been in Grand Central Station? Or the New York,
New York Casino in Vegas? It's very spooky how close this photo is.

Yeah I was there too. I had just gotten off the bus from Brooklyn
and was standing in front of Century 21 when the first plane hit.

--- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> I live in NYC, and I wasn't far from the WTC on 9/11. Any
comment?. Questions?

Just read that they are developing a sitcom called My Big Greek
Family. The term fat is not considered PC.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> I saw it (MY BIG FAT GREEK WEDDING). I don't think they'll do a
sequel. It
> plays like a sitcom, so they'll probably turn it into a sitcom for
real.
> Boy, the woman who wrote and stars in it is sure making a lot of
money now.
> She'll make a lot more on her next screenplay.
>
> As for your comment, Rich. Raquel is a little too old now, but
the Raquel of
> the sixties. . . . She could do anything she wanted to me.
>
> -- Rory

Cool I was there too when they filmed the final crowd scene.

--- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> Back when I was a wee lad, I lived in an apartment the summer of
76 that gave us a perfect view of the WTC, while Kong was "climbing"
up the side. Every night, a copter would show up, and lift a
different limb. When they filmed the final crowd scene, there I was.
> So who are you telling to show respect to?

No word from Sean as yet.
I called Kathy and got her voice mail.
Nothing in the Times search I just did.
My folks are back from CO and I have to
go to town. Hopefully Kath will return my
call, but it was her office, so she may not
get it until Monday if she doesn't check. If
it's a Sunday service we may get shut out.

And you have to remember that Kim never cared for Hollywood. And that making
apes was no picnic either. The first time she wore the make up she cried.
And would have bad dreams in her trailer. So I'm sure not all memories of
those days are good ones.

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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: NYC

In a message dated 9/14/02 7:47:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  As a matter of fact I'm reading Jack Kerouc's "On the Road" right now, the seminal beatnik novel, and his diet is apple pie and ice cream because it has all the nutrients. Etc. - - - Jeff

You like that word seminal don't you, Jeffster?

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 8:30 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Sept. Medicoms?

Hey, does anybody know what's happening with the release of the Medicom figures in America?  I thought they were supposed to be out in September.

-- Rory

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By the way, on the Kubrick subway set it says, "19 - 11 Lexington", not
9-11. Just as well, the last thing we need is another 9-11 reference. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:47 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Apes Writing


> I've been in both. I remember going to Grand Central the first time
> as a kid and seeing that exit to Vanderbilt avenue. I was like 'wow
> that's from Beneath the Planet of the Apes'.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> > Has anyone ever been in Grand Central Station? Or the New York,
> New York Casino in Vegas? It's very spooky how close this photo is.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Kim didn't want to go to the POTA2001 premiere but Joe Russo's coauthor
dragged her there (where Zanuck told her if they made another one he wanted
her in it). She did some book signings with them. - - Jeff

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:42 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] 30 year ann.


>
> And you have to remember that Kim never cared for Hollywood. And that
making
> apes was no picnic either. The first time she wore the make up she cried.
> And would have bad dreams in her trailer. So I'm sure not all memories of
> those days are good ones.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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I'm going to get all the new Medicoms so I can OPEN them...got all the
Japanese but they will remain MOC...also looking forward to these busts but
they're so damned expensive!

tim

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----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 2:47 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Apes Writing

I've been in both. I remember going to Grand Central the first time
as a kid and seeing that exit to Vanderbilt avenue. I was like 'wow
that's from Beneath the Planet of the Apes'.


--- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> Has anyone ever been in Grand Central Station?  Or the New York,
New York Casino in Vegas? It's very spooky how close this photo is.




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----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 2:50 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] NYC in BENEATH

Yeah I was there too. I had just gotten off the bus from Brooklyn
and was standing in front of Century 21 when the first plane hit.

--- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> I live in NYC, and I wasn't far from the WTC on 9/11.  Any
comment?. Questions?





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----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 2:43 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hello All...new to the group

BTW Welcome to the group Rich. I remember the 4:30 Movie too. But I
use to hate how they would show Planet in 2 parts then skip one of
the films to fit them in to 5 days. Then they would cut the crap out
of the other films to fit them into 90 minutes with commercials. A
friend of mine use to call them the 4:30 film clips. 

--- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> My name is Rich, Rory, and thanks for the intro.  I've been into
the Planet of the Apes movies since I saw the first one on the 4:30
movie on Channel 7 here in NYC. I like the movies the best, although
the novel wasn't bad for a Frenchmen.  I've got vague memories of
the cartoon as a kid, and I look at the tv show as a starving man
looks at an appetizer.




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----- Original Message -----

From: james611102

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 2:59 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] IMBd.com Top 250 (OT)

Cool I was there too when they filmed the final crowd scene.

--- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> Back when I was a wee lad, I lived in an apartment the summer of
76 that gave us a perfect view of the WTC, while Kong was "climbing"
up the side.  Every night, a copter would show up, and lift a
different limb.  When they filmed the final crowd scene, there I was.
> So who are you telling to show respect to?




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  "Coming out" in September means they'll arrive in November. By the way, when are you coming out, Rory, old bean? Etc. - - - Jeff

Would your asking have anything to do with your definition of seminal?   I knew that Morgan Fairchild was just a beard.

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/14/02 6:22:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

Me, too, but I don't remember seeing you there:)

I've got it on DVD, and it's still weird watching the ending, knowing those buildings are gone.


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Funny looking thing, isn't it.  Of course, I'd rather its photos were all from PLANET.

"All"??? "All"??? There's not one photo on there from Planet, just an Escape photo, and that drawing of Caesar & Aldo...

Which leads to my question to anyone who may know... Why did they use SOOOO MANY photos from Escape and Battle, (rather than Planet, Beneath, & Conquest?) on those toys, puzzles, etc...? Were they cheaper to license or something? It certainly can't be from a lack of photos from Planet, etc, as we all know there are plenty of them...

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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:27 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA people

In a message dated 9/13/02 1:08:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, melkor@... writes:

> knows some stuff.  But the one person still living that was involved with
> PLANET that I'll be most upset when he dies is. . . . guess
>
> -- Rory

Mark Wahlberg?

Hardly.  It is of course the master Jerry Goldsmith.  Still active in his seventies.  Boy, will I miss him when he's gone.

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