--- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> I always had the impression that the ape rebellion was either THE
event, or at least one of the events, that lead to the nuclear war.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Sorry, T, but it has to take longer than that. Look at the map.
It's longer
> from Ape City to the cornfield than from there to the inland sea.
What took
> the astronauts "many days and nights" to get to the scarecrows if
it's only
> 12 to 14 hours by wagon to Ape City?
> [Unable to display image]
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> No it doesn't, James. In fact, it proves -- and in BENEATH,
believe it or
> not -- that Cornelius does know what true north and in PLANET was
indeed
> simply holding the map sideways! Hear me all? Cornelius is
holding the map
> sideways in PLANET and he knows it. The map shows an area of the
east coast
> south of NYC and the Statue.
>
> There! Now the whole matter is settled and anyone who doesn't
agree is also
> a hole -- an ASSHOLE!
>
> -- Rory

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Maps. Here we go again

How long does it take to walk 80 miles?  I think it could be done in three days, especially if you have to get there in order to stay alive.

No one said it was 3 days.  That's just when the groceries ran out.  Taylor said, Many Days and nights.  That sounds like four or five days to me.  That's averaging 15 - 20 miles a day.  That's do-able even in the desert -- especially if they do most of their sleeping during the hot part of the day and travel by night.

That depends on what codec was used to create the video file. Could be you have the correct codec to see it but the others don't.

 LordTZer0@... wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: patrickmichaeltilton

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:56 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Tang & Pills

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Haven't you seen the little pills all those Outer Space shows had their astronauts take in nearly all 60's/70's space movies?
>
> C'mon, Patrick, C'mon!
>
> Michael

*** I can't remember where I read it, but a fairly recent article (in
some science magazine, maybe Discover or Scientific American) debunked
the idea of the "meal in a pill". I can't remember their reasoning as
to WHY the concept doesn't work in reality, but that's what they
concluded.
That's not to say that some company wouldn't make & market a "Meal in
a Pill" product, paying off the FDA so as not to prove the concept is
valid... after all, in the San Francisco BART station (in "The Trap"),
doesn't Burke point out a poster to Urko depicting just such a thing?
Remember, though, that those poster-ads in that subway station had to
have been there right at the time of the Nuke War, some 30 years after
the time Taylor's ship left Earth.

Another thought: don't Taylor and his 3 crewmembers look rather clean,
and well-groomed? This implies that they've all taken showers prior to
undergoing the hibernation injection. How much water does their ship
carry aboard? How much machinery does it take to recycle waste water,
and all that?
I'm just not convinced that ALL those necessities lie in some little
room behind the pressure door in the back of the ship's cabin! Looking
at Brent's ship, I don't see anywhere near enough room for these types
of things. Hence, my conclusion that these ships are shuttles,
intended to ferry landing parties down to the surface of a planet from
a larger, cargo-carrying orbiting ship (Yes, a "mothership"), just
like Professor Antelle's ship.

Patrick

>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2002 0:15
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA "chaloupes"...
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> > > Have you seen the size of the "bathroom" and "kitchen" in space
> > shuttle?  The two of them together could easily fit in an airline
> > bathroom.
> >
> > *** How about that "six months' worth" (at the minimum) of Food, Water
> > (or Tang), toilet paper, soap, etc.? How much room would all THAT take
> > up? More than a few cubic meters, I'd bet.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: patrickmichaeltilton
> > >   To: pota@y...
> > >   Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 9:44 AM
> > >   Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA "chaloupes"...
> > >
> > >
> > >   --- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> > >   > "how 4 astronauts could survive for 6 months (prior to
> > going into their "deep sleep") in the cramped quarters seen in
> > the opening scenes. " Haven't you seen pictures on the inside of
> > Mir and Space Station Alpha?  Cosmonauts have lived inside of Mir
> > for over a year, which is just as cramped as Heston's ship.
> > >
> > >   *** There's a lot more room on Mir (or, there WAS until it
> > fried up in
> > >   the atmosphere) and the Space Station than is seen to be available on
> > >   the Taylor-&-Brent-type ships.
> > >
> > >   I'll ask it again: Where's the Bathroom? Where's the Kitchen?
> > Is there
> > >   room in that ship for cargo to sustain 4 people for 6 months (and,
> > >   presumably, for at least the first month they spend at their
> > >   destination once they wake up from hibernation)? If you look at the
> > >   ship in BENEATH, which is probably a "sister-ship" to the one seen in
> > >   PLANET, then there ain't enough room for all those extra necessaries.
> > >   All that junk behind the part visible above the water seems to me to
> > >   consist of 1.) LANDING GEAR (the 3 tripodal legs), 2.) THE ROCKET
> > >   ENGINE'S EXHAUST BELL (clearly visible in the middle of that
> > hexagonal
> > >   truss to which are connected those 3 landing legs), and 3.) THE FUEL
> > >   TANK ASSEMBLY (after all, the rocket had to have burned fuel to slow
> > >   its descent; too bad something went fubar and made it flop onto it's
> > >   belly, requiring Brent to put out an engine fuel fire with that fire
> > >   extinguisher).
> > >   Between the "back wall" of what can be seen in the cabin of the ship
> > >   in PLANET (with that pressure hatch in the middle), and the fuel tank
> > >   assembly (which can be seen aft of the side "wings" of the BENEATH
> > >   ship), there isn't much room there at all--most certainly not for a
> > >   BATHROOM and a KITCHEN (or should I call them the "Head" and the
> > >   "Mess" since it's a military mission?) and a CARGO HOLD. Since the
> > >   tripodal landing legs are where they are, it's obvious that the ship
> > >   Brent (crash)landed was supposed to land with the nosecone pointed
> > >   straight up in the air, like a Christmas tree on its stand. One
> > >   wonders, then, how Brent & Skipper were supposed to get out of their
> > >   ship--and I think the answer is that there is a small airlock behind
> > >   that "back wall" of the cabin, and a hatch leading from it to the
> > >   outside on the underside of the vessel, which could not be used for
> > >   egress, of course, with the ship flopped onto its belly. It was THIS
> > >   unfortunate circumstance which necessitated Brent leaving the ship
> > >   through the same forward escape hatch which Taylor's crew had to use
> > >   (since their aftward area was flooded, making his ship angle
> > up in the
> > >   water, neither floating flat--like the capsule in ESCAPE--nor bobbing
> > >   like a buoy straight up).
> > >
> > >   I consider these ANSA ships to be shuttlecraft. They are spaceplanes,
> > >   able to descend from an orbiting ship (like the Galileo 7 from the
> > >   U.S.S. ENTERPRISE), landing on their tripods, with enough fuel left
> > >   for at least one more re-ascent into orbit. That should be obvious,
> > >   because Milo finds one of these ships and is able to reach orbit--
> > >   AFTER that ship had first landed FROM orbit.
> > >
> > >   Feel free to argue for what you consider to be a more plausible
> > >   explanation, though.
> > >
> > >   Patrick
> > >
> > >
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 4:52 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Space monkeys in the news

In a message dated 9/29/02 4:44:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

If you ever want to see Helen Hunt naked, check out a movie called "The Waterdance."

Yeah, I've seen that movie and did I want to jump Helen Hunt after I saw that scene.  She's also naked in AS GOOD AS IT GETS.

-- Rory
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--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Gee, how did the apes manager to avoid the mutants for two
thousand years if
> they lived so close to the ruins of NYC? Just because it's in the
Forbidden
> Zone? No one goes there in two thousand years?!!!
>
> No, James, Ape City would have to be very far away from New York
City to keep
> the apes from discovering the mutants. It would have to be across
a desert
> so vast and barren that it made no point to even try to cross it.
Cornelius'
> map simply has to cover an area much larger than you think to make
any sense,
> but of course sense is in short supply in BENEATH. I'll stick
with PLANET
> for what's canon.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> Any military person in good shape could cover 80 miles in 3 days,
as long as the ground was flat, and the weather was good.

> > Don Murray:
> > ?? Has he done anything else?
>
> Bus Stop with Marilyn Monroe and Knots Landing.
>

--- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> I checked the movie database and saw Don Murray in a bunch of
stuff, but only
> one thing that I've seen before which was Peggy Sue Got Married.
I don't
> remember seeing him in the movie or which character he played.

> >
> I don't know. Seems to me at least a year has passed. It's ridiculous to
> think they'd send a rescue mission at all! It was an Adam and Eve mission.
> And a ridiculous crew for that I might add. Should have been three women and
> one man if you only have room for four. Hell, you could replace him with a
> few frozen vials and a turkey baster!
>

> writing in the sand because they were "aping" him.

> --- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > I have an unanswered question, what made Taylor's (and Brent's)
> > spaceships return to Earth in the first place. There seems to be

> > theory on everything else.
>
> *** Even though I know you don't give "a rat's ass" (as you once

> it) about the scenario I cooked up, it does explain why both

> and Brent's ships (i.e. shuttlecraft) end up back at Earth: for the
> same reason that Virdon's ship ends up going back to Earth--

> who wasn't snoozing in a hibernation chamber triggered

> Homing Device". Just like Jonesy did on Virdon's order. Of all the
> thousands of star systems Taylor's ship could have wound up in (if,
> that is, the ship had somehow encountered some sort of interstellar
> danger which caused the mission to abort), it seems incredibly
> implausible to me that the ship would just HAPPEN to find itself in
> the Sol system. It makes much more sense that the Automatic Homing
> Device was purposely triggered, sending them all back to Earth for
> whatever reason. And only those who weren't hibernating knew the

> to-Earth journey had taken place... Taylor (and others) waking up
> after the Return, with no time to read the tapes.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
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>

> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/28/02 11:38:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> >
> >
> > > *** In Boulle's novel, mankind "fell" through some sort of

> > > ennui which somehow overtook the entire population, which ended

> > > preferring to live animalistic lives in zoos or in the wild.

> > > always thought that that was kinda too much of a "Frenchy"

> > > Beat generation notion, which made the novel's scenario

> > > implausible in my mind.
> > >
> >
> > I don't get you there, Patrick, at all. First comes MTV,

> >
> > -- Rory
>
> *** "Daisy... Daisy... give me your answer do..."
>
> PAT 9000
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>

>
>
>

>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > The point is, Patrick, you justified a crazy idea of yours based

> >
> > My point is that referring to Stewart as precious cargo does not

> >
> > And yes, there is a common feeling here that you are a gold

> >
> > Now if you are not imaginative enough to work out how a 60's

> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2002 0:25
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Precious Cargo
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > Hold everything!
> > > >
> > > > My wife gave me a lift home yesterday.
> > > >
> > > > She looked in the back of the car and said "these 4 kids are

> > > > precious cargo in the car!"
> > > >
> > > > I immediately started looking for the kitchen and the toilet.
> > > >
> > > > I then asked why the car was not 20 foot long.
> > > >
> > > > My wife told me she thinks I am insane.
> > > >
> > > > I think she has a point.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > >
> > > *** Hmmm... Hey, Mike--howzabout spending half a year in that

> > > gettin' out all during that time, since its a "deep space"

> > > there, remember), without a toilet of SOME kind.
> > > Then give all of us Yahoo groupies a jingle on yer radio, like

> > > making his "final report", and tell us how great things are

> > > your little "chaloupe".
> > > And then sleep for a year... and, hopefully, your wife won't be

> > > shriveled up like Stewart when you wake up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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>
>
>

> In a message dated 9/29/02 12:30:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
>
> > I'm just not convinced that ALL those necessities lie in some

> > room behind the pressure door in the back of the ship's cabin!

> > at Brent's ship, I don't see anywhere near enough room for these

> > of things. Hence, my conclusion that these ships are shuttles,
> > intended to ferry landing parties down to the surface of a planet

> > a larger, cargo-carrying orbiting ship (Yes, a "mothership"),

> > like Professor Antelle's ship.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
>
> I have no problem with the idea that there could be a mothership in

> during the events of PLANET (since that was what Boulle did in the

> but it does bother me that the crew wasn't awakened before their

> craft decided to take them to the surface, that Taylor and the rest

> crew would sleep in the shuttle craft during the voyage, and that

> Patrick, would place Brent and his crew up in the mothership the

> during PLANET's events.
> Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase!
>
> -- Rory
>

> In a message dated 9/29/02 11:41:24 AM Central Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
>
> > *** They know enough to prevent the Apes from even SUSPECTING

> > they MAY have any higher brain functions. Nova and that other

> > purposely erase Taylor's message: Why? The do it because they

> > that the act of writing is a display of an attribute that'll

> > killed by those mean ol' monkeys. These yahoo humans may not all

> > Einsteins, but they know how to survive in their harsh

> > (until, that is, they get caught by a hunting party of gorillas).
> >
> > Patrick
>
> I never took their act as a deliberate act of trying to "destroy"

> message... I always took it as they are curious beasts and they are
> "investigating" this strange thing appearing in the sand...
>

>
> In a message dated 9/29/02 6:36:37 AM, JamesA1102@... writes:
>
> << Finally since the Apes mimiced the human society that came

> and if Ape city were in North Carolina, why don't the Apes have
> southern accents? Why are there no rusting old washing machines in
> front of the houses in Ape City? Why is Zira not engaged to her
> nephew Lucius? ;-) >>
>
> Ahem...Speaking as a North Carolinian.....I assure you that not all

> have trash surrounding living spaces or are inbred or even have

> accents.......
>
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>
>
>

>
>
>

> [Unable to display image] And this is NOT Long Island, James. No

> shoreline with the ocean, then Taylor rides further north along

> shoreline to find the Statue. And, remember Cornelius' line in

> where they last saw Taylor, "Riding north, on the land between the

> the sea." That's this area of the map, James! OK, now knock

> down, James!
>
> -- Rory
>

> In a message dated 9/29/02 1:33:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> writes:
>
>
> > In a message dated 9/29/02 6:36:37 AM, JamesA1102@... writes:
> >
> > << Finally since the Apes mimiced the human society that came

> > and if Ape city were in North Carolina, why don't the Apes have
> > southern accents? Why are there no rusting old washing machines

> > front of the houses in Ape City? Why is Zira not engaged to her
> > nephew Lucius? ;-) >>
> >
> > Ahem...Speaking as a North Carolinian.....I assure you that not

> > have trash surrounding living spaces or are inbred or even have

> > accents.......
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, and following James' illogic then why don't the apes have

> accents, or Brooklyn, or Jersey ones?
>
> -- Rory
>

>
> > Would anybody be able to spend even one month (let alone 6 or
> > more) awake--and eating & pissing & shitting & showering etc.--in

> > vessel as friggin' SMALL as this? Now THAT would be a crazy idea.
>
> Yeah, but what's really crazy is that he's able to WALK to the

> chamber. Those boots didn't look magnetic, did they. They

> I make such a statement so matter-of-factly? Elementary my dear

> lit a cigar. If there were no artificial gravity ha would have

> finger because there would be no up for the flame to rise to. That

> make the pissing and pooping and showering more earth like. But,

> the real question, what about spanking the ape? It's a question

> puzzled me even back in the Sky-Lab days. I know they told the

> to, to prevent prostate cancer, and one to abstain as a control.

> Stewart on board, why bother? There must have been a whole lotta

> goin' on! Nice use of LOTTA, don't you think?
>

> In a message dated 9/29/02 3:51:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
>
> > But, and this is the real question, what about spanking the ape?

> > question that has puzzled me even back in the Sky-Lab days. I

> > told the astronauts to, to prevent prostate cancer, and one to

> > control. But with Stewart on board, why bother? There must have

> > whole lotta SPACE SEX goin' on! Nice use of LOTTA, don't you

>
> What's that floating around the cabin?
>
> -- Rory (who's in no danger of getting prostate cancer)
>

--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I'll take that as a compliment coming from you Patrick.
>
> Hey, is it just me, or have others called this whole mothership
idea
> crazy?
>
> Help me out here guys, Patrick doesn't seem to be getting a clear
> message from the group that it requires FAR more suspension of
> disbelief to go with a mothership called earth scenario. Would
> anyone else agree it is crazy?
>
> Michael

--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> James
>
> Could you map up what Rory is suggesting?
>
> Michael
>

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Jeesh, I thought he was serious for a moment too and I was going
to
> ask about Cornelius' English accent!!
>
> What about Zaius'?
> Even Zira has a bit of a limey lilt.
> Due to Kim's time in England making
> Stairway to Heaven, which no doubt it gets
> thicker hanging with Maurice and Roddy.

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Unanswered Questions


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/28/02 11:38:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> >
> >
> > > This "devolution" of humanity (in 3978) back to the "Stone Age"
> > > reminds me of Einstein's line about how World War Four will be fought
> > > with rocks and stones (World War Three, of course, being the Nuclear
> > > War which will reduce civilization to a Stone Age level). The human
> > > race, after the Nuclear War, after the emergence of the Smart Apes,
> > > had to adapt to a new, harsher environment. As Zira says, the humans
> > > of her time are mute NOT because of any anatomical flaw ("their speech
> > > organs are adequate"), but because their brains are adapted to
> > > survival in the jungle/forest/wilderness/wastelands ("... but in the
> > > brain!"). Somehow, the use of vocal speech became no longer needed,
> > > and fell into disuse (just as the wings of an ostrich or a penguin
> > > cannot serve those creatures to fly anymore, as for their distant
> > > evolutionary ancestors), so that the brain's "speech centers"
> > > atrophied--through disuse. Why would the humans stop using speech?
> > > Remember when Nova "hushes" Taylor (before Julius & the other gorillas
> > > separate them into opposing cages)? Perhaps the ancestors of Nova's
> > > tribe survived because they PURPOSELY SUPPRESSED the human ability to
> > > speak. Perhaps there was a time, after the Apes ascended to dominance,
> > > when Apes punished humans who dared to speak (sort of an extreme
> > > example of what is shown in the "seed" phase in BATTLE, where Teacher
> > > has to run for his life after forgetting he isn't allowed to say "No"
> > > to an Ape). Maybe, in time, Apes got to be so much against the use of
> > > ANY kind of speech amongst humans that they terrorized them--cutting
> > > out the tongues of the offending "talkers" or something like that.
> > > That'd sure be an incentive to "zip it". Eventually, the self-enforced
> > > state of Silence resulted in "atrophied speech centers", so much so
> > > that even when Taylor is fighting with the human who erases his
> > > message ["I CAN WRITE", in the sand in the big outside cage], the
> > > human doesn't even grunt or growl at him!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Patrick, you forget. . . the humans of 3978 can't just not speak, they
also
> > have the minds of animals. Their intellect has atrophied too.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> *** They know enough to prevent the Apes from even SUSPECTING that
> they MAY have any higher brain functions. Nova and that other yahoo
> purposely erase Taylor's message: Why? The do it because they KNOW
> that the act of writing is a display of an attribute that'll getcha
> killed by those mean ol' monkeys. These yahoo humans may not all be
> Einsteins, but they know how to survive in their harsh environment
> (until, that is, they get caught by a hunting party of gorillas).
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Tang & Pills

In a message dated 9/29/02 12:30:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

I'm just not convinced that ALL those necessities lie in some little
room behind the pressure door in the back of the ship's cabin! Looking
at Brent's ship, I don't see anywhere near enough room for these types
of things. Hence, my conclusion that these ships are shuttles,
intended to ferry landing parties down to the surface of a planet from
a larger, cargo-carrying orbiting ship (Yes, a "mothership"), just
like Professor Antelle's ship.

Patrick

I have no problem with the idea that there could be a mothership in orbit during the events of PLANET (since that was what Boulle did in the novel), but it does bother me that the crew wasn't awakened before their shuttle craft decided to take them to the surface, that Taylor and the rest of the crew would sleep in the shuttle craft during the voyage, and that you, Patrick, would place Brent and his crew up in the mothership the whole time during PLANET's events.
Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase!

-- Rory

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Unanswered Questions

In a message dated 9/29/02 12:41:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** They know enough to prevent the Apes from even SUSPECTING that
they MAY have any higher brain functions. Nova and that other yahoo
purposely erase Taylor's message: Why? The do it because they KNOW
that the act of writing is a display of an attribute that'll getcha
killed by those mean ol' monkeys. These yahoo humans may not all be
Einsteins, but they know how to survive in their harsh environment
(until, that is, they get caught by a hunting party of gorillas).

Patrick

PATRICK! PATRICK! PATRICK!!!!!  Are you mad?!!!  They rub out Taylor's writing in the sand because they were "aping" him.  Go back and read Boulle!!!  The humans in the first and second film were, like in the novel, regressed animalistic creatures.  Mankind returned to the ape.

Patrick, I was just beginning to think I could make friends with you, now these postings today.  YOU'RE SCREWY!!!

-- Rory
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Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:04 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Maps. Here we go again

In a message dated 9/29/02 12:02:58 PM Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

The apes mimiced there culture on the human culture that proceeded
it. So they would have the same meaning for North and East.

Yeah, they would... I always agreed with you on that one, and I still do...

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Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:07 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Cartography of the Planet of the Apes

In a message dated 9/29/02 12:47:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** You're forgetting the "mountains" (mentioned by Zira) which were
traversed by the astronauts. It wasn't all flat desert. It would have
taken some time to find a way down & around the cliffs you see just
before they encounter the scarecrow region.

Patrick

No, I don't want to accept your and James' contention that the area of Cornelius' map only shows a small "known world" to the apes.  They have two THOUSAND years of living there.  I can't accept they wouldn't have explored more, Forbidden Zones or not.  The area the astronauts trek in the film is a vast part of what was one of the east coast states of the US.  It wasn't just Newark, New Jersey or something.  Here's my theory:  Taylor's throat wound was treated in the field to keep him from losing any more blood during the roughly two day trip to Ape City.  It's also a two day trip for Zira and Lucius in their wagon to take Taylor back to the area where he was captured and to meet up with Cornelius.  There!  Now, I've settled everything, that's it!

-- Rory
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From: LordTZer0@...

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Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Precious Cargo

Would anybody be able to spend even one month (let alone 6 or
more) awake--and eating & pissing & shitting & showering etc.--in a
vessel as friggin' SMALL as this? Now THAT would be a crazy idea.

Yeah, but what's really crazy is that he's able to WALK to the stases chamber.  Those boots didn't look magnetic, did they.  They aren't.  How can I make such a statement so matter-of-factly?  Elementary my dear Tilton, he lit a cigar.  If there were no artificial gravity ha would have burnt his finger because there would be no up for the flame to rise to.  That would make the pissing and pooping and showering more earth like.  But, and this is the real question, what about spanking the ape?  It's a question that has puzzled me even back in the Sky-Lab days.  I know they told the astronauts to, to prevent prostate cancer, and one to abstain as a control.  But with Stewart on board, why bother?  There must have been a whole lotta SPACE SEX goin' on!  Nice use of LOTTA, don't you think?
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Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1566554484 (Ends Oct-04-02 16:24:14 PDT ) - HESTON SCI FI

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Cool item.  Lousy photo.  I'd like to get it just to read what Wilson wrote before Kelley did his re-write.

-- Rory
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From: Richard Cisak Jr.

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 1:27 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] WOW!!!

I was away for just a weekend, and I had 300 emails waiting for me.

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In a message dated 9/28/02 2:47:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Go away for a couple of weeks and you miss alot here. I've noticed
that there have been more posts this month that all but one since
the club started. It's going to take me forever to catch up.

While you're catching up try to learn that it's A LOT, not "alot"!!!!
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--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
>> Yes there is... The few lines in that scene that would indicate
it's the same
> area as the hunt... Zira asks Taylor what Nova is pointing at, to
which he
> says this must be close to home for her, she knows it... That
indicates (to
> me anyway) that they are indeed the same general vicinity, if not
the same
> field...

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> But how accurate would an ape be with direction when mapping? - -
- Jeff

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> That's acceptible. You might wonder why they would bother to
treat Taylor in the field but obviously he was seen as special. Zira
says, "Which one was wearing the strange clothes?" - - - Jeff

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Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1771831229 (Ends Oct-04-02 21:15:50 PDT ) - Planet of the

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How's this for being nuts over anything APES?  $200 for this?!!!!  I just can't believe it!  It's a madhouse!!!  A Madhouse!!!!   You don't even get the sucker!!!


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----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Cisak Jr.

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 2:03 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Maps. Here we go again

Any military person in good shape could cover 80 miles in 3 days, as long as the ground was flat, and the weather was good.

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

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Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Maps. Here we go again

How long does it take to walk 80 miles?  I think it could be done in three days, especially if you have to get there in order to stay alive.

No one said it was 3 days.  That's just when the groceries ran out.  Taylor said, Many Days and nights.  That sounds like four or five days to me.  That's averaging 15 - 20 miles a day.  That's do-able even in the desert -- especially if they do most of their sleeping during the hot part of the day and travel by night.

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From: Richard Cisak Jr.

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Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 2:09 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Tang & Pills

Anyone ever seen Apollo 13, which is a very accurate representation of the space program late 60's, early 70's?  Notice how primitive the computer was?  The whole idea of an "Automatic Homing Device" is ridiculous.

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Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:56 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Tang & Pills

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Haven't you seen the little pills all those Outer Space shows had their astronauts take in nearly all 60's/70's space movies?
>
> C'mon, Patrick, C'mon!
>
> Michael

*** I can't remember where I read it, but a fairly recent article (in
some science magazine, maybe Discover or Scientific American) debunked
the idea of the "meal in a pill". I can't remember their reasoning as
to WHY the concept doesn't work in reality, but that's what they
concluded.
That's not to say that some company wouldn't make & market a "Meal in
a Pill" product, paying off the FDA so as not to prove the concept is
valid... after all, in the San Francisco BART station (in "The Trap"),
doesn't Burke point out a poster to Urko depicting just such a thing?
Remember, though, that those poster-ads in that subway station had to
have been there right at the time of the Nuke War, some 30 years after
the time Taylor's ship left Earth.

Another thought: don't Taylor and his 3 crewmembers look rather clean,
and well-groomed? This implies that they've all taken showers prior to
undergoing the hibernation injection. How much water does their ship
carry aboard? How much machinery does it take to recycle waste water,
and all that?
I'm just not convinced that ALL those necessities lie in some little
room behind the pressure door in the back of the ship's cabin! Looking
at Brent's ship, I don't see anywhere near enough room for these types
of things. Hence, my conclusion that these ships are shuttles,
intended to ferry landing parties down to the surface of a planet from
a larger, cargo-carrying orbiting ship (Yes, a "mothership"), just
like Professor Antelle's ship.

Patrick

>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2002 0:15
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA "chaloupes"...
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> > > Have you seen the size of the "bathroom" and "kitchen" in space
> > shuttle?  The two of them together could easily fit in an airline
> > bathroom.
> >
> > *** How about that "six months' worth" (at the minimum) of Food, Water
> > (or Tang), toilet paper, soap, etc.? How much room would all THAT take
> > up? More than a few cubic meters, I'd bet.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: patrickmichaeltilton
> > >   To: pota@y...
> > >   Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 9:44 AM
> > >   Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA "chaloupes"...
> > >
> > >
> > >   --- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> > >   > "how 4 astronauts could survive for 6 months (prior to
> > going into their "deep sleep") in the cramped quarters seen in
> > the opening scenes. " Haven't you seen pictures on the inside of
> > Mir and Space Station Alpha?  Cosmonauts have lived inside of Mir
> > for over a year, which is just as cramped as Heston's ship.
> > >
> > >   *** There's a lot more room on Mir (or, there WAS until it
> > fried up in
> > >   the atmosphere) and the Space Station than is seen to be available on
> > >   the Taylor-&-Brent-type ships.
> > >
> > >   I'll ask it again: Where's the Bathroom? Where's the Kitchen?
> > Is there
> > >   room in that ship for cargo to sustain 4 people for 6 months (and,
> > >   presumably, for at least the first month they spend at their
> > >   destination once they wake up from hibernation)? If you look at the
> > >   ship in BENEATH, which is probably a "sister-ship" to the one seen in
> > >   PLANET, then there ain't enough room for all those extra necessaries.
> > >   All that junk behind the part visible above the water seems to me to
> > >   consist of 1.) LANDING GEAR (the 3 tripodal legs), 2.) THE ROCKET
> > >   ENGINE'S EXHAUST BELL (clearly visible in the middle of that
> > hexagonal
> > >   truss to which are connected those 3 landing legs), and 3.) THE FUEL
> > >   TANK ASSEMBLY (after all, the rocket had to have burned fuel to slow
> > >   its descent; too bad something went fubar and made it flop onto it's
> > >   belly, requiring Brent to put out an engine fuel fire with that fire
> > >   extinguisher).
> > >   Between the "back wall" of what can be seen in the cabin of the ship
> > >   in PLANET (with that pressure hatch in the middle), and the fuel tank
> > >   assembly (which can be seen aft of the side "wings" of the BENEATH
> > >   ship), there isn't much room there at all--most certainly not for a
> > >   BATHROOM and a KITCHEN (or should I call them the "Head" and the
> > >   "Mess" since it's a military mission?) and a CARGO HOLD. Since the
> > >   tripodal landing legs are where they are, it's obvious that the ship
> > >   Brent (crash)landed was supposed to land with the nosecone pointed
> > >   straight up in the air, like a Christmas tree on its stand. One
> > >   wonders, then, how Brent & Skipper were supposed to get out of their
> > >   ship--and I think the answer is that there is a small airlock behind
> > >   that "back wall" of the cabin, and a hatch leading from it to the
> > >   outside on the underside of the vessel, which could not be used for
> > >   egress, of course, with the ship flopped onto its belly. It was THIS
> > >   unfortunate circumstance which necessitated Brent leaving the ship
> > >   through the same forward escape hatch which Taylor's crew had to use
> > >   (since their aftward area was flooded, making his ship angle
> > up in the
> > >   water, neither floating flat--like the capsule in ESCAPE--nor bobbing
> > >   like a buoy straight up).
> > >
> > >   I consider these ANSA ships to be shuttlecraft. They are spaceplanes,
> > >   able to descend from an orbiting ship (like the Galileo 7 from the
> > >   U.S.S. ENTERPRISE), landing on their tripods, with enough fuel left
> > >   for at least one more re-ascent into orbit. That should be obvious,
> > >   because Milo finds one of these ships and is able to reach orbit--
> > >   AFTER that ship had first landed FROM orbit.
> > >
> > >   Feel free to argue for what you consider to be a more plausible
> > >   explanation, though.
> > >
> > >   Patrick
> > >
> > >
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--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> But how accurate would an ape be with direction when mapping? - -
- Jeff >>

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 2:29 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartography of the Apes


> Well since the mutants were hiding underground and it was
> a 'Fobidden Zone' it's not such a leap that they would go unnoticed
> for 2,000 years. Plus anyone that did venture there and discovered
> the mutants probably didn't come back further reinforcing the
> Lawgiver's warning on the area.
> If you only take Planet into consideration then you're stuck with
> Zaius refering to it as 'our eastern desert'.
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > Gee, how did the apes manager to avoid the mutants for two
> thousand years if
> > they lived so close to the ruins of NYC? Just because it's in the
> Forbidden
> > Zone? No one goes there in two thousand years?!!!
> >
> > No, James, Ape City would have to be very far away from New York
> City to keep
> > the apes from discovering the mutants. It would have to be across
> a desert
> > so vast and barren that it made no point to even try to cross it.
> Cornelius'
> > map simply has to cover an area much larger than you think to make
> any sense,
> > but of course sense is in short supply in BENEATH. I'll stick
> with PLANET
> > for what's canon.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartography of the Apes


> Here's what i'm wondering......Did Cornelius MAKE the map? if so , he'd
been
> out there a long time to discover all the inlets and tributaries on the
> coast...and if the area of the map covers where Liberty was, he surely
would
> have seen it...(not hard to miss!) If Cornelius didn't make the map, who
did?
> and why didn't they mark sites on the damn thing making us all go crazy
> thousands of years in the past?
> and where is that actual map anyway...what a find that would
be....some
> prop storage drawer in LA? Roddy's collection? AND what happened to
Roddy's
> collection? Was it ever auctioned off or did the feds take it all?
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Unanswered Questions


> Patrick,
>
> Rat's ass or nor, your scenario certainly does explain a whole lot of
> things.
>
> I just can't accept the Mothership, or that you would call it
> earth.....to me, this is where the plot holes make more sense than
> you "unflubbing".
>
> But at least you are making one hell of an effort, so good for you.
>
> Michael
>
> --- "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:
> > --- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > > I have an unanswered question, what made Taylor's (and Brent's)
> > > spaceships return to Earth in the first place. There seems to be
> a
> > > theory on everything else.
> >
> > *** Even though I know you don't give "a rat's ass" (as you once
> put
> > it) about the scenario I cooked up, it does explain why both
> Taylor's
> > and Brent's ships (i.e. shuttlecraft) end up back at Earth: for the
> > same reason that Virdon's ship ends up going back to Earth--
> somebody
> > who wasn't snoozing in a hibernation chamber triggered
> the "Automatic
> > Homing Device". Just like Jonesy did on Virdon's order. Of all the
> > thousands of star systems Taylor's ship could have wound up in (if,
> > that is, the ship had somehow encountered some sort of interstellar
> > danger which caused the mission to abort), it seems incredibly
> > implausible to me that the ship would just HAPPEN to find itself in
> > the Sol system. It makes much more sense that the Automatic Homing
> > Device was purposely triggered, sending them all back to Earth for
> > whatever reason. And only those who weren't hibernating knew the
> back-
> > to-Earth journey had taken place... Taylor (and others) waking up
> > after the Return, with no time to read the tapes.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
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----- Original Message -----
From: <apefan23@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes Chocolate Lollipop


> have never seen this before...but have heard about it....I must say I'm
> surprised that the bidder is going to throw down 200 bucks for just the
> backer card.......The most money I've ever seen spent on any one item was
> $700 for a MOC Apes Stained Glass kit.......!
>
> In a message dated 9/29/02 10:04:50 PM, whitty@... writes:
>
> << Now this IS rare, don't you think Apefan23?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1771831229
>
> The main reason this is so rare is that any of these that DID survive
> would have been destroyed by the actual chocolate lollipop that was
> attached to it.
>
> Notice the artwork? This looks to me like an early version of
> Alexander from Marvel's "Terror on the POTA" series.
>
> This is the second time I have seen one of these - I do believe it is
> the same one I saw last time that was won by the current seller.
>
> I think it will go for around $250 - maybe more (it is very small!!!).
>
> Michael >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Joe Farrell has one with the sucker still in it and it's his

> y. And he's got a hell of a collection. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 1:57 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1771831229

> -02 21:15:50 PDT ) - Planet of the
>
>
> Click here: eBay item 1771831229 (Ends Oct-04-02 21:15:50 PDT ) -

> of the Apes Chocolate Lollipop 1974
>
> How's this for being nuts over anything APES? $200 for

> can't believe it! It's a madhouse!!! A Madhouse!!!! You don't

> the sucker!!!
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

>

> have never seen this before...but have heard about it....I must say

> surprised that the bidder is going to throw down 200 bucks for just

> backer card.......The most money I've ever seen spent on any one

> $700 for a MOC Apes Stained Glass kit.......!
>
> In a message dated 9/29/02 10:04:50 PM, whitty@...

>
> << Now this IS rare, don't you think Apefan23?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1771831229
>
> The main reason this is so rare is that any of these that DID

> would have been destroyed by the actual chocolate lollipop that was
> attached to it.
>
> Notice the artwork? This looks to me like an early version of
> Alexander from Marvel's "Terror on the POTA" series.
>
> This is the second time I have seen one of these - I do believe it

> the same one I saw last time that was won by the current seller.
>
> I think it will go for around $250 - maybe more (it is very

>
> Michael >>
>
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>

>
>
>

>
> > Also, when I tell him about this group, he doesn't seem too

> > would guess it's the same with Eric Greene.
>
> That's cool. I haven't bought their books either.
>

> In a message dated 9/29/02 7:06:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> writes:
>
>
> > Here's what i'm wondering......Did Cornelius MAKE the map? if

> >
> > out there a long time to discover all the inlets and tributaries

> > coast...and if the area of the map covers where Liberty was, he

> > would
> > have seen it...(not hard to miss!) If Cornelius didn't make the

> > did?
> > and why didn't they mark sites on the damn thing making us all go

> > thousands of years in the past?
> > and where is that actual map anyway...what a find that

> > be....some
> > prop storage drawer in LA? Roddy's collection? AND what happened

> >
> > collection? Was it ever auctioned off or did the feds take it all?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
>
> Wow, Tom!!! Good point there. I never thought of it before. Of

> That map may not have been made by Cornelius, in fact it probably

> who or whomever made the map had to be all over the area to make

> the ruins of both the statue and NYC are on the map, which in turn

> my contention that the NYC area is further north OFF THE MAP!!!
>
> Thank you, Tom!
>
> -- Rory
>

> In a message dated 9/29/02 7:59:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > James
> >
> > Could you map up what Rory is suggesting?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
>
> No! I don't want him to. He'll just screw it up on purpose to

> humiliate me! Oh, he's a wicked man! Wicked, I saaaaaay!!!
>

> In a message dated 9/29/02 8:07:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > Yeah, Stewart was a TOTAL slut!
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, I've often thought about that, but it was typical of Serling

> they didn't make much sense when you really looked at them. Think

> of those Twilight Zones. Anyway, Stewart used to do porn movies on

> and was famous for zero G three ways, so that's why she was choosen

> mission. The plan was that only Taylor would bang Stewart, and

> only girls that then Dodge and Landon would get when they came of

> their kids an old Taylor would bang his own grandaughters and

> males cousins get into the act. Eventually they would populate a

> with a society of inbreed morons JUST LIKE OLD MOTHER EARTH.
>
> -- Rory
>

> In a message dated 9/29/02 9:19:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > That's acceptible. You might wonder why they would bother to

> > in the field but obviously he was seen as special. Zira

> > was wearing the strange clothes?" - - - Jeff
>
> Well, they would treat him in the field because they wanted a

> of humans for research and it didn't look like the wound would kill

> fast. The blood isn't spurting out of his neck so the jugular vein

> hit, either was his neck bones or his voice box. Come to think of

> was pretty lucky with that throat wound, what with being hit with a

> shot at close range. The bullet didn't even go through his neck!

> calibre were those gorilla rifles? You'd think they'd be .45s, but

> would have taken Taylor's head off at the neck. Probably

> the apes didn't know how to make the ammo larger.
>
> -- Rory
>

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 8:40 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Let's go for the record!!!!

In a message dated 9/29/02 5:42:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Hey Joe, no not the Hendrix song, why aren't you Joe Rizzo?  And if you're not, why isn't he on this group?  And what about Eric Green?  Why isn't he here too?  And I haven't seen Pinkus (no not Jeff from the Butthole Surfers.  I made that mistake last week and called him Brian.  Luckily he wasn't in the room at the time.) or Hoknes for that matter.  If their such big fans why aren't they here?  Are they just lurkers?  Sound off yous guys!

Do you mean Joe Russo, T?  He doesn't have a computer, he gets my email on WebTV.  Also, when I tell him about this group, he doesn't seem too interested.  I would guess it's the same with Eric Greene.

-- Rory
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From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1771831229 (Ends O


> Joe Farrell is the undisputed king of known POTA collectors.
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> I hopr one day to view his collection.
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> He said he would send me photos about 2 years ago, but he must have
> forgotten......
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> Michael
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> --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > Joe Farrell has one with the sucker still in it and it's his
> pride and jo
> > y. And he's got a hell of a collection. - - - Jeff
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Haristas@...
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 1:57 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1771831229
> (Ends Oct-04
> > -02 21:15:50 PDT ) - Planet of the
> >
> >
> > Click here: eBay item 1771831229 (Ends Oct-04-02 21:15:50 PDT ) -
> Planet
> > of the Apes Chocolate Lollipop 1974
> >
> > How's this for being nuts over anything APES? $200 for
> this?!!!! I just
> > can't believe it! It's a madhouse!!! A Madhouse!!!! You don't
> even get
> > the sucker!!!
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> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
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> His collection is pretty awesome and he's got rare "Superman"

> But he moved and I lost touch with him. Last I heard he was going

> lawyer (all great POTA collectors become lawyers...Eric Greene, Joe

> the founder of "Sacred Scrolls" magazine...). - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1771831229

>
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> > Joe Farrell is the undisputed king of known POTA collectors.
> >
> > I hopr one day to view his collection.
> >
> > He said he would send me photos about 2 years ago, but he must

> > forgotten......
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > Joe Farrell has one with the sucker still in it and it's his
> > pride and jo
> > > y. And he's got a hell of a collection. - - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Haristas@...
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 1:57 PM
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1771831229
> > (Ends Oct-04
> > > -02 21:15:50 PDT ) - Planet of the
> > >
> > >
> > > Click here: eBay item 1771831229 (Ends Oct-04-02 21:15:50

> > Planet
> > > of the Apes Chocolate Lollipop 1974
> > >
> > > How's this for being nuts over anything APES? $200 for
> > this?!!!! I just
> > > can't believe it! It's a madhouse!!! A Madhouse!!!! You

> > even get
> > > the sucker!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > Service.
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> In a message dated 9/30/02 12:18:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
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> > He does that alot.
> >
> > It's that accent of his....
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
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> alot?!!!! You're trying to irritate me, aren't you? Maybe I'll

> twenty hours of "King of the Hill" instead.
>