These look like unofficial fan-made items.


--- apefan23@... wrote:

> All right...which one of you bastards outbid me at the last second

for these

> Pogs that I've never seen before?!?! actually it was

Waycoolstuff....damn him

> all to hell!! anybody seen these before? or know anything about

them?

>
> Tim
>
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ViewItem&item=718051599&ssPa

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No I don't have a problem with people doing that when they want to. Of course
there will be a lag time between when you send them to me and when I put them
up (sometimes longer than a day). Also if I think a picture sucks I won't
put in the collection. I don't try to save every pic that gets posted here
because the quality of stuff is more important to me than the quantity.

-Tom

>
> Tom
>
> Do you have a problem with James and others (like me too!) maybe
> sending pictures direct to you and then you letting us know when you
> have uploaded them?
>
> I know a lot of people get shitty at lots of downloads being
> posted....and links like yours are a lot friendlier.....
>
> Michael
>
> --- Melkor <melkor@...> wrote:
> >
> > This has always been a favorite of mine.
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> > http://europa.mooo.com:8080/pota/pictures/pota-
> products/planetofthegrapes.jpg
> >

There must be a dealer in the Dallas area who creates magnets out of
wacky pack stickers. I haven't seen the Planet of the Grapes one but
I have a "Crust" magnet on my fridge.

>
> Yeah, it's one of my fridge magnets
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.htmlIn a message dated 10/2/02 11:42:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

All right...which one of you bastards outbid me at the last second for these
Pogs that I've never seen before?!?! actually it was Waycoolstuff....damn him
all to hell!! anybody seen these before? or know anything about them?

Tim

No, what the hell are these?  I've never heard of pogs.

<.html

I don't think there WAS anything called "pogs" back in the day. Obviously
they are homemade. Let waycool keep his worthless pogs. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <apefan23@...>
To: <LordTZer0@...>; <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Pogs


> All right...which one of you bastards outbid me at the last second for
these
> Pogs that I've never seen before?!?! actually it was Waycoolstuff....damn
him
> all to hell!! anybody seen these before? or know anything about them?
>
> Tim
>
> <A
>
HREF="http://http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=718051599&ss
Pa
>
> geName=ADME:B:ON:US:1">
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=718051599&ssPageName=ADME
:B
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> :ON:US:1</A>
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.htmlIn a message dated 10/2/02 9:42:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Better not watch tonite's Twilight Zone, Rory.

The one where the person goes back to kill Hitler as a baby?
I've taped it.<.html

Jeff

"Waycool" is Joe Farrell.

Now you have his email address, I suggest you contact him and
say "hi".

Ask him about the pogs!

Michael

--- <veetus@...> wrote:

> I don't think there WAS anything called "pogs" back in the day.

Obviously

> they are homemade. Let waycool keep his worthless pogs. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <apefan23@...>
> To: <LordTZer0@...>; <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Pogs
>
>
> > All right...which one of you bastards outbid me at the last

second for

> these
> > Pogs that I've never seen before?!?! actually it was

Waycoolstuff....damn

> him
> > all to hell!! anybody seen these before? or know anything about

them?

> >
> > Tim
> >
> > <A
> >
> HREF="http://http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?

ViewItem&item=718051599&ss

> Pa
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/2/02 9:47:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Oh? YOU told us about it? I believe I brought it up first, for I am the High Potentate! - - - Jeff

Oh please forgive me, my simian lord!!!!!!<.html

Yeah, I got a "Planet of the Grapes" magnet. I'd rather have the actual
card (or were they stickers)? Wacky Packs are classics from back in the day,
young ones. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:02 PM
Subject: (OT) Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Grapes


>
> There must be a dealer in the Dallas area who creates magnets out of
> wacky pack stickers. I haven't seen the Planet of the Grapes one but
> I have a "Crust" magnet on my fridge.
>
>
> >
> > Yeah, it's one of my fridge magnets
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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I put all of James BENEATH photo scans in a pota-photos/ directory.

I know who waycool is. I think I'll go vent over at planetoftheapesonline
instead. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Pogs


> Jeff
>
> "Waycool" is Joe Farrell.
>
> Now you have his email address, I suggest you contact him and
> say "hi".
>
> Ask him about the pogs!
>
> Michael
>
> --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > I don't think there WAS anything called "pogs" back in the day.
> Obviously
> > they are homemade. Let waycool keep his worthless pogs. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <apefan23@...>
> > To: <LordTZer0@...>; <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Pogs
> >
> >
> > > All right...which one of you bastards outbid me at the last
> second for
> > these
> > > Pogs that I've never seen before?!?! actually it was
> Waycoolstuff....damn
> > him
> > > all to hell!! anybody seen these before? or know anything about
> them?
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > <A
> > >
> > HREF="http://http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=718051599&ss
> > Pa
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> > >
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> ViewItem&item=718051599&ssPageName=ADME
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Don't you care about us anymore?


--- <veetus@...> wrote:

> I know who waycool is. I think I'll go vent over at

planetoftheapesonline

> instead. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Pogs
>
>
> > Jeff
> >
> > "Waycool" is Joe Farrell.
> >
> > Now you have his email address, I suggest you contact him and
> > say "hi".
> >
> > Ask him about the pogs!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > I don't think there WAS anything called "pogs" back in the

day.

> > Obviously
> > > they are homemade. Let waycool keep his worthless pogs. - - -

Jeff

> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <apefan23@...>
> > > To: <LordTZer0@...>; <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:00 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Pogs
> > >
> > >
> > > > All right...which one of you bastards outbid me at the last
> > second for
> > > these
> > > > Pogs that I've never seen before?!?! actually it was
> > Waycoolstuff....damn
> > > him
> > > > all to hell!! anybody seen these before? or know anything

about

> > them?
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > > <A
> > > >
> > > HREF="http://http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > ViewItem&item=718051599&ss
> > > Pa
> > > >
> > > > geName=ADME:B:ON:US:1">
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> > ViewItem&item=718051599&ssPageName=ADME
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planetoftheapesonline 's message board is shut down for maintenance. Boy,
was I going to give it to Fox! Anyway, I did a websearch about Fox shutting
down sites and I guess their big campaign was '99-2000. I remember that,
when they were hitting sites on "The Simpsons", "X-Files", "Buffy",
"Millennium" and "King of the Hill". I remember wondering at the time why
they were'nt hitting POTA sites, since their big movie was about to go into
production. Apparently they calmed down for a while, now they're back at it.
There's a "Simpsons" site called www.nohomers.com that shut down Aug. '02
after 3 years of letters from Fox. There's a page where Fox responds to the
anger their actions have generated at
http://www.fox.com/community/askfox/answer/.htmlbr> Basically, they say they appreciate the fans, bla, bla, bla, and only shut
down sites that break cardinal rules such as:
using photos, images and sounds not approved for distribution
those that remove Fox's copyright or don't make it clear who the owner is
copying or altering stuff from official websites
denigrating the program or it's actors
using Fox images for commercial reasons
carrying advertising
offering unlicensed merchandise
I don't know what they wrote to the site's owner, Mike, but as Rory said,
why are they picking on a POTA site now? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Pogs


> I know who waycool is. I think I'll go vent over at
planetoftheapesonline
> instead. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Pogs
>
>
> > Jeff
> >
> > "Waycool" is Joe Farrell.
> >
> > Now you have his email address, I suggest you contact him and
> > say "hi".
> >
> > Ask him about the pogs!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > I don't think there WAS anything called "pogs" back in the day.
> > Obviously
> > > they are homemade. Let waycool keep his worthless pogs. - - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <apefan23@...>
> > > To: <LordTZer0@...>; <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:00 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Pogs
> > >
> > >
> > > > All right...which one of you bastards outbid me at the last
> > second for
> > > these
> > > > Pogs that I've never seen before?!?! actually it was
> > Waycoolstuff....damn
> > > him
> > > > all to hell!! anybody seen these before? or know anything about
> > them?
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > > <A
> > > >
> > > HREF="http://http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > ViewItem&item=718051599&ss
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> > > >
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> > > >
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> > ViewItem&item=718051599&ssPageName=ADME
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.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 12:31:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

There's a page where Fox responds to the
anger their actions have generated at
http://www.fox.com/community/askfox/answer/.htmlbr> Basically, they say they appreciate the fans, bla, bla, bla, and only shut
down sites that break cardinal rules such as:
using photos, images and sounds not approved for distribution
those that remove Fox's copyright or don't make it clear who the owner is
copying or altering stuff from official websites
denigrating the program or it's actors
using Fox images for commercial reasons
carrying advertising
offering unlicensed merchandise
I don't know what they wrote to the site's owner, Mike, but as Rory said,
why are they picking on a POTA site now? - - - Jeff

Doesn't Mike ask for money contributions to keep his site going?  Maybe all he has to do is call his site something else.

Will Terry Hokens site be next?

-- Rory <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 12:31:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  planetoftheapesonline 's message board is shut down for maintenance. Boy,
was I going to give it to Fox!

I posted a message there yesterday and gave to Fox but good, boy!  <.html

Pogs were big about five years ago. It's just a fancy name for milk bottle
tops. Back before milk bottles had plastic top they were made from
cardboard. The new generation had pictures and designs on then and had never
been anywhere near a bottle of milk. Kids would play tidily winks with them
for keeps like marbles. My nephew used to collect them. They were soon
replaced by Pokemon cards.

.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 12:24:09 AM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Doesn't Mike ask for money contributions to keep his site going?  Maybe all he has to do is call his site something else.

Will Terry Hokens site be next?

-- Rory

Hoknes sight hasn't been anything for years. It was updated in the last century...<.html

.html

Yesterday was James Whitmore's Birthday.

I always confuse him with Richard Whitmark.
Very similar sounding last names.
Happy birthday Jimmy!<.html

.html

Let's see if Fox keeps to that promise.  "The Day the Earth Stood Still" should be on the schedule and, I hope, "Journey to the Center of the Earth."

Two of my faves?
Anyone know if The Time Machine and Forbidden Planet are on disc yet?<.html

Hey they look fine in my computer.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> James, you should lighten these before you send them.
>
> [Unable to display image]

Yes and you won't like it.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> The one where the person goes back to kill Hitler as a baby?
> I've taped it.

The ones in the lower right hand corner look like the Mego sticker necklaces
in plastic from vending machines.....


In a message dated 10/2/02 11:59:55 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<< In a message dated 10/2/02 11:42:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
apefan23@... writes:

> All right...which one of you bastards outbid me at the last second for

these

>
> Pogs that I've never seen before?!?! actually it was Waycoolstuff....damn
> him
> all to hell!! anybody seen these before? or know anything about them?
>
> Tim
>
>

No, what the hell are these? I've never heard of pogs.

[Unable to display image]




In a message dated 10/2/02 11:42:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
apefan23@... writes:


<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">All right...which one of you
bastards outbid me at the last second for these
Pogs that I've never seen before?!?! actually it was Waycoolstuff....damn him
all to hell!! anybody seen these before? or know anything about them?

Tim

</BLOCKQUOTE>

No, what the hell are these? I've never heard of pogs.

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Here's what I compiled this morning when I woke up way too early. -Tim

Deceased

Roddy McDowall (Cornelius, Caesar, Galen) October 3, 1998 - cancer
Kim Hunter (Zira) September 11, 2002 - heart attack
Maurice Evans (Zaius) March 12, 1989 - cancer
Robert Gunner (Landon) September 1992
James Daly (Honorious) July 3, 1978 - heart attack
Woodrow Parfrey (Maximus) July 29, 1984 - heart attack
Jeff Burton (Dodge) January 18, 1988
Paul Lambert (Minister 'PL') April 27, 1997
James Franciscus (Brent) July 8, 1991 - emphysema
Paul Richards (Mendez 'BN') December 10, 1974 - cancer
Paul Buono (Fat Man 'BN) January 1, 1982 - heart attack
James Gregory (Ursus) September 16, 2002 - natural causes
Jeff Corey (Caspey 'BN') August 16, 2002 - complications from a fall
Thomas Gomez (Minister 'BN') June 18, 1971 - car accident
Tod Andrews (Skipper) November 7, 1972 - heart attack
Sal Mineo (Milo) February 12, 1976 - murder
Albery Salmi (E-1 'ES') April 22, 1990 - murder/suicide!
Harry Lauter (General Winthrop 'ES') October 30, 1990 - heart attack
Roy Glenn (Lawyer 'ES') March 12, 1971 - heart attack
Hari Rhodes (MacDonald 'CQ' ) January 14, 1992
Severn Darden (Kolp 'CQ' 'BT') May 27, 1995 - heart attack
Claude Akins (Aldo) January 27, 1994 - cancer
Lew Ayres (Mandemus) December 30, 1996 - complications from a coma
Paul Stevens (Mendez 'BT') June 4, 1986 - pneumonia
John Huston (Lawgiver) August 28, 1987 - emphysema
Mark Lenard (Urko) November 22, 1996 - multiple myeloma
John Hoyt (Prefect Barlow 'TV') September 15, 1991


Living

Charlton Heston (Taylor)
Linda Harrison (Nova)
James Whitmore (President of the Assembly)
Lou Wagner (Lucius, Busboy 'CQ')
Buck Kartalian (Julius, Frank 'CQ')
Norman Burton (Hunt Leader 'PL', Army Officer 'Escape')
Wright King (Dr. Galen 'PL')
Natalie Trundy (Albina, Branton, Lisa)
David Watson (Cornelius 'BN')
Don Pedro Colley (Negro/Ongaro 'BN')
Gregory Sierra (Verger 'BN')
Eldon Burke (Numerous Gorillas)
Bradford Dillman (Dixon)
Eric Braeden (Hasslein)
William Windom (President 'ES')
Jason Evers (E-2 'ES'')
John Randolph (Committee Chairman 'ES')
M Emmet Walsh (General Winthrop's Aide 'ES')
Tom Lowell (Orderly 'ES')
Ricardo Montalban (Armando)
Don Murray (Breck 'CQ')
Asa Maynor (Mrs. Riley 'CQ')
Gordon Jump (Auctioneer 'CQ')
Paul Williams (Virgil)
Austin Stoker (MacDonald 'BT')
Noah Keen (Teacher 'BT')
France Nuyen (Alma 'BT')
Bobby Porter (Cornelius 'BT', Arno/Remus TV)
Ron Harper (Virdon)
James Naughton (Burke)
Booth Colman (Zaius 'TV')

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Outta site!

In a message dated 10/3/02 12:31:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

There's a page where Fox responds to the
anger their actions have generated at
http://www.fox.com/community/askfox/answer/.html"
Basically, they say they appreciate the fans, bla, bla, bla, and only shut
down sites that break cardinal rules such as:
using photos, images and sounds not approved for distribution
those that remove Fox's copyright or don't make it clear who the owner is
copying or altering stuff from official websites
denigrating the program or it's actors
using Fox images for commercial reasons
carrying advertising
offering unlicensed merchandise
I don't know what they wrote to the site's owner, Mike, but as Rory said,
why are they picking on a POTA site now? - - - Jeff

Doesn't Mike ask for money contributions to keep his site going?  Maybe all he has to do is call his site something else.

Will Terry Hokens site be next?

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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I saw a commercial for this and some of the makeup looked very "Apes-esque"

Matt

Impressive list, but perhaps you should include the creators (Arthur Jacobs, Pierre Boulle, Franklin Schaffner, Don Taylor, J. Lee Thompson, John Chambers, etc)

Matt

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:02 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Outta site!

  Hoknes' site is kinda concealed under his other sites. Mike's site is on their list now, so I don't know if he can change anything and keep it. From what I can tell, Fox doesn't really do anything, they just make threats. The "Simpsons" site kept going for 3 years under threats. - - - Jeff

 

 

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Outta site!

In a message dated 10/3/02 12:31:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

There's a page where Fox responds to the
anger their actions have generated at
http://www.fox.com/community/askfox/answer/.html"
Basically, they say they appreciate the fans, bla, bla, bla, and only shut
down sites that break cardinal rules such as:
using photos, images and sounds not approved for distribution
those that remove Fox's copyright or don't make it clear who the owner is
copying or altering stuff from official websites
denigrating the program or it's actors
using Fox images for commercial reasons
carrying advertising
offering unlicensed merchandise
I don't know what they wrote to the site's owner, Mike, but as Rory said,
why are they picking on a POTA site now? - - - Jeff

Doesn't Mike ask for money contributions to keep his site going?  Maybe all he has to do is call his site something else.

Will Terry Hokens site be next?

-- Rory

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The other night (Saturday I think) they had a pretty good documentary on the History Channel entitled "Fantastic Voyage: The History of Science Fiction" (or something like that). It covered films, literature, current events, TV, etc. I watched it waiting to see what they said about POTA, but unfortunately they said nothing. They jumped right from "2001" to "Star Wars." The only apes reference I caught was a shot of someone with a Cornelius mask towards the end when they were talking about Star Trek and Sci-Fi conventions. Oh, well. It was still a decent documentary.

Matt

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 5:50:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... rather naively asks:

Anyone know if "The Time Machine" and "Forbidden Planet" are on disc yet?

Of course they are, T.  THE TIME MACHINE looks and sounds great, but I'd wait for a re-mastered Special Edition of FORBIDDEN PLANET.
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.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 8:44:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Albery Salmi (E-1 'ES') April 22, 1990   -  murder/suicide!

Yeah, Albert Salmi got into a fight with his wife, got a gun and shot her as she ran out of the house, then shot himself.  Everyone who knew him was very surprised that he could have done that, but you never know about people.

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Here's what I compiled this morning when I woke up way too early.  -Tim

Deceased

Roddy McDowall  (Cornelius, Caesar, Galen)  October 3, 1998   - cancer

Well, since this is October 3rd (here in the States), maybe you all would like to see some things I've found.




Roddy's house, where he died.



 
LONG LIVE THE KING!!!!!
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.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 9:02:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Hoknes' site is kinda concealed under his other sites. Mike's site is on their list now, so I don't know if he can change anything and keep it. From what I can tell, Fox doesn't really do anything, they just make threats. The "Simpsons" site kept going for 3 years under threats. - - - Jeff

Yeah, if it was my site I'd just ignore them and send them this photo.

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 9:31:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@... writes:

I saw a commercial for this and some of the makeup looked very "Apes-esque"

Matt

Yeah, I gotta what it.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 1:14:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Yeah, I gotta what it.

What it?!!!!   Watch it!<.html

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Who was he?  The guard?

Yeah, Albert Salmi got into a fight with his wife, got a gun and shot her as she ran out of the house, then shot himself.  Everyone who knew him was very surprised that he could have done that, but you never know about people.

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He was the CIA agent that questioned Zira under truth serum.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
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> Who was he? The guard?
>
> > Yeah, Albert Salmi got into a fight with his wife, got a gun and
shot her as
> > she ran out of the house, then shot himself. Everyone who knew
him was
> > very surprised that he could have done that, but you never know
about
> > people.
> >

.htmlThe female chimp in this story is older than I am!  And I'll bet she's never seen POTA.

For Chimps, Some Space To Live Out Golden Years
La. Retirement Sanctuary to House Ex-Research Animals            

By a Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 1, 2002; Page A19

Finally, after more than four decades of public service, it's retirement time for Rita.

The 47-year-old chimpanzee, brought to the United States from Africa by the Air Force in the 1950s, is a prime candidate for a new retirement home to be built near Shreveport, La. The facility is expected to cost at least $35 million, most of it federal money, to build and operate over a 10-year period.

Under a $19 million contract awarded yesterday by the National Institutes of Health, Chimp Haven Inc., a nonprofit group based in Shreveport, will operate "a sanctuary system for all chimpanzees retired from federal biomedical facilities," the group announced. In addition, Chimp Haven said it plans to contribute $6 million in matching funds.

NIH said the sanctuary "will provide lifetime care for federally owned or supported chimpanzees that are no longer needed for biomedical research."
The chimpanzee retirement community is to be built on 200 acres of forested land donated by Caddo Parish, La., and is scheduled to open by spring 2004. NIH said it also plans to provide about $10 million to fund construction of the sanctuary, including administrative offices, infrastructure, utilities, an education center, quarantine facilities and what Chimp Haven described as "indoor and outdoor housing" for 200 chimpanzees. Eventually, the sanctuary is to be expanded to accommodate more than 300 chimps.

The sanctuary will be run by a staff of about 25 people, including a full-time veterinarian, and will feature "non-climbable walls" and moats to keep the chimps from leaving their forested preserves, said Linda Brent, president of Chimp Haven.

"After these chimpanzees have endured years in medical research laboratories, society owes them a tremendous debt," said Larry Hawk, president of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. Proponents of the project said it will save taxpayers money in the long run because the cost of keeping chimpanzees in research labs is about double the cost per animal of harboring them in the sanctuary. According to chimpanzee advocates, there are 1,300 to 1,600 federally owned or supported chimpanzees in biomedical laboratories, including 600 to 900 who are eligible for retirement because they are no longer used for research.

Most of the federally owned chimps are kept in labs in Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. Fewer than 40 are in the Washington area, and none of those are now eligible for retirement because they are still being used for research into infectious diseases, said John Strandberg, director of comparative medicine at NIH's National Center for Research Resources.
Chimpanzees have been used to develop a vaccine for hepatitis B and for research into the virus that causes AIDS. Starting in the early 1980s, they were "aggressively bred" in the United States for AIDS research, but they turned out to be of limited use because they did not get sick from the virus, Brent said.
Among those formerly used for breeding is Rita, who was one of the original chimps brought in by the Air Force for the U.S. space program. She was kept at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico until 1969, then sent to a lab in San Antonio.

"She's real pretty," said Brent, who works at the lab.

Since the animals, an endangered species with a lifespan of up to 60 years, are not euthanized or used for "terminal studies" that can result in their death, many live out their days in 5-by-5-foot cages, she said.

"Some of them have never climbed a tree or walked on grass before." For them, Brent said, the sanctuary means "giving back to the chimps a little bit of their own natural history."

© 2002 The Washington Post Company
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.htmlRecognizing a near relation

Chimps get a retirement home and support for rights

By David Arnold, Globe Staff, 10/1/2002

CAMBRIDGE - They feel love and loss. They can paint, communicate in sign language, and fight. And they share 98.7 percent of human DNA.  Yet chimpanzees have fewer rights than a brain-dead human. Thousands of them are used in medical research, kept in zoos, or work in circuses, with no law protecting them from being euthanized when their work life is over.

But in a sign of how attitudes toward nonhuman primates are changing, the federal government announced plans yesterday for an unprecedented retirement home for 800 chimps formerly used in research. On the same day, eminent researchers and lawyers held a first-ever meeting at Harvard Law School on how to give chimps more legal rights, including status that might get them out of the labs and animal acts altogether.

''Legal rights grow out of wrongs,'' Alan Dershowitz, a professor of law at Harvard, told several hundred people in Ames Courtroom in Austin Hall yesteday. ''And there is no question that this animal has suffered pervasive wrongs over many centuries.''

Any law would probably protect ''the bodily integrity'' and ''the primary interests'' of chimps, panelists suggested. As a result, there would probably be far more restrictions on the estimated 1,300 chimpanzees used for medical experiments nationwide, a notion that alarms some biomedical researchers.

''Chimpanzees have been pivotal to our understanding of hepatitis C and developing a vaccine for hepatitis B,'' said Suzette Tardis, associate director of the Southwest National Primate Reseach Center in San Antonio, one of the country's eight primate centers funded by the National Institutes of Health.

''Without chimpanzees, which do not die during the tests, there would be no way to study the disease, other than in humans,'' she said.

However, chimpanzees don't play nearly the research role they did in the early 1960s, when they were space pioneers before John Glenn or in the early stages of the AIDS epidemic when they were thought to be an ideal model for studying the disease. The declining use of chimpanzees partly reflects the expense of caring for them, but it also results from growing public sentiment that chimps should not be used for trivial research, such as testing the safety of oven cleaners.

Many of the 10 guest speakers at yesterday's symposium at Harvard stressed that biomedical researchers have never tried to get along without chimps in their research, so they don't really know how difficult it will be. They admit, however, that once a law protects chimps others may press for protection of other animals that play a larger scientific role that may be harder to replace.

''It can be a very slippery slope: Chimps today, fireflies tomorrow?'' said Steve Wise, an animal ethicist at Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine, a lawyer, and author of ''Drawing The Line,'' a 322-page book published earlier this year that makes the case for animal rights.

Wise contends that legal protections from harm should be made available first to beings with ''realistic autonomy,'' acting with a sense of self and living as if life means something. He was disinclined to speculate what animals might qualify for protection, aside from the great apes, such as the chimpanzee. The firefly, he said, would not.

The near-human characteristics of the chimp lay at the heart of primate expert Jane Goodall's landmark study begun in Tanzania almost a half-century ago. Yesterday, she spoke of chimps named Mel and Spindle and a heart-rending scene of compassion in the jungle in which the animals, both orphans from an early age, essentially helped each other cope with the loss of their mothers.

Yesterday, NIH announced a $24 million grant over 10 years that will allow Chimp Haven, an animal sanctuary in Louisiana, to shelter some 800 chimpanzees that have survived medical experiments.

Dr. Peter Theran, a vice president at the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, is on the board of directors for Chimp Haven, a 200-acre forested facilty near Shreveport that is slated to become the nation's first convalescent home for chimpanzees.

''It's really exciting,'' Theran said. The NIH advisory group ''worked seven years to find this perfect spot, a rainforest where the weather is great and protected from hurricanes,'' he said.

Other nations have taken stronger legal steps to protect chimps in research. New Zealand, England, and Germany all have laws protecting chimpanzees from medical experimentation. But the gesture was easy to make, speakers said, because those countries had almost no chimps in research.

David Favre, a law professor at the Detroit College of Law at Michigan State University, said the law should be modeled on current animal cruelty laws and be prosecuted case by case, rather than completely banning the use of chimps in experimentation.

One of the more emotional moments in the symposium came when a member of the audience asked speakers whether they would oppose animal research into a disease that might be killing their child. One panelist noted that chimps are an endangered species, while humans are overpopulated, suggesting that the chimps ought not to be sacrified for people's sake.

''Why take the life of an endangered species to make an overpopulated species even more overpopulated?'' said Roger Fouts, a researcher at Central Washington University who worked on Project Washoe, named for the first nonhuman animal to acquire a human language.

''Now wait a minute, Roger!'' Goodall cut in. ''As a mother, I would do anything, sacrifice anything, to save my child. That's part of being a mother.''

The subject was dropped without elaboration, as speakers moved on to other topics.

Reached by telephone, Mary Hanley, executive vice president of the National Association for Biomedical Research, said that ''chimpanzees play a vital role in biomedical research,'' even though they are used less today. She said they may play an important role in developing new vaccines against potential bioterrorism agents, such as anthrax.

''Until there's a better model, the animals will still have to be used,'' she said.

This story ran on page A1 of the Boston Globe on 10/1/2002.

   

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.htmlHey James,

I just watched that episode of the new Twilight Zone you said I wouldn't like.  I liked it.  I thought it was a little boring and I wanted to hit the fast-forward, but the ending was a nice twist.  The girl was dumb it it, though.  If she couldn't kill the baby Hitler she should have then killed the father.  I think that would have worked to change history.

-- Rory<.html

I'm surprized you liked it. I thought you hated circular timelines.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Hey James,
>
> I just watched that episode of the new Twilight Zone you said I
wouldn't
> like. I liked it. I thought it was a little boring and I wanted
to hit the
> fast-forward, but the ending was a nice twist. The girl was dumb
it it,
> though. If she couldn't kill the baby Hitler she should have then
killed the
> father. I think that would have worked to change history.
>
> -- Rory

there was a sci-fi doc hosted by Mark Hamill that came out about 6 months
before the premiere of "Behind the POTA" that used interviews from Heston
and others that weren't in the latter. I've got it somewheres. That one
definitely gave "Apes" it's due. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:51 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Sci-Fi on History Channel


> The other night (Saturday I think) they had a pretty good documentary on
the History Channel entitled "Fantastic Voyage: The History of Science
Fiction" (or something like that). It covered films, literature, current
events, TV, etc. I watched it waiting to see what they said about POTA, but
unfortunately they said nothing. They jumped right from "2001" to "Star
Wars." The only apes reference I caught was a shot of someone with a
Cornelius mask towards the end when they were talking about Star Trek and
Sci-Fi conventions. Oh, well. It was still a decent documentary.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

wow...i didn't even realize it was october 3rd when I did this...where is
that Caesar statue....is it by Apemania? I chose to just do the players
(using IMDB) ...maybe I will do a list of the creators later......

In a message dated 10/3/02 1:11:12 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<<

> Here's what I compiled this morning when I woke up way too early. -Tim
>
> Deceased
>
> Roddy McDowall (Cornelius, Caesar, Galen) October 3, 1998 - cancer
>

Well, since this is October 3rd (here in the States), maybe you all would
like to see some things I've found.

>>

The Caesar statue is now at the Motion Picture Retirement Home, where John
Chambers used to live (though maybe they should move it to that chimp
retirement home). John died just before they put it in. Too bad, nice photo
op. Oh, too bad he died, too. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <apefan23@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Living and the Dead


> wow...i didn't even realize it was october 3rd when I did this...where is
> that Caesar statue....is it by Apemania? I chose to just do the players
> (using IMDB) ...maybe I will do a list of the creators later......
>
> In a message dated 10/3/02 1:11:12 PM, Haristas@... writes:
>
> <<
> > Here's what I compiled this morning when I woke up way too early. -Tim
> >
> > Deceased
> >
> > Roddy McDowall (Cornelius, Caesar, Galen) October 3, 1998 - cancer
> >
>
> Well, since this is October 3rd (here in the States), maybe you all would
> like to see some things I've found.
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:40 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Another story on Chimps

Recognizing a near relation

Chimps get a retirement home and support for rights

By David Arnold, Globe Staff, 10/1/2002

CAMBRIDGE - They feel love and loss. They can paint, communicate in sign language, and fight. And they share 98.7 percent of human DNA.  Yet chimpanzees have fewer rights than a brain-dead human. Thousands of them are used in medical research, kept in zoos, or work in circuses, with no law protecting them from being euthanized when their work life is over.

But in a sign of how attitudes toward nonhuman primates are changing, the federal government announced plans yesterday for an unprecedented retirement home for 800 chimps formerly used in research. On the same day, eminent researchers and lawyers held a first-ever meeting at Harvard Law School on how to give chimps more legal rights, including status that might get them out of the labs and animal acts altogether.

''Legal rights grow out of wrongs,'' Alan Dershowitz, a professor of law at Harvard, told several hundred people in Ames Courtroom in Austin Hall yesteday. ''And there is no question that this animal has suffered pervasive wrongs over many centuries.''

Any law would probably protect ''the bodily integrity'' and ''the primary interests'' of chimps, panelists suggested. As a result, there would probably be far more restrictions on the estimated 1,300 chimpanzees used for medical experiments nationwide, a notion that alarms some biomedical researchers.

''Chimpanzees have been pivotal to our understanding of hepatitis C and developing a vaccine for hepatitis B,'' said Suzette Tardis, associate director of the Southwest National Primate Reseach Center in San Antonio, one of the country's eight primate centers funded by the National Institutes of Health.

''Without chimpanzees, which do not die during the tests, there would be no way to study the disease, other than in humans,'' she said.

However, chimpanzees don't play nearly the research role they did in the early 1960s, when they were space pioneers before John Glenn or in the early stages of the AIDS epidemic when they were thought to be an ideal model for studying the disease. The declining use of chimpanzees partly reflects the expense of caring for them, but it also results from growing public sentiment that chimps should not be used for trivial research, such as testing the safety of oven cleaners.

Many of the 10 guest speakers at yesterday's symposium at Harvard stressed that biomedical researchers have never tried to get along without chimps in their research, so they don't really know how difficult it will be. They admit, however, that once a law protects chimps others may press for protection of other animals that play a larger scientific role that may be harder to replace.

''It can be a very slippery slope: Chimps today, fireflies tomorrow?'' said Steve Wise, an animal ethicist at Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine, a lawyer, and author of ''Drawing The Line,'' a 322-page book published earlier this year that makes the case for animal rights.

Wise contends that legal protections from harm should be made available first to beings with ''realistic autonomy,'' acting with a sense of self and living as if life means something. He was disinclined to speculate what animals might qualify for protection, aside from the great apes, such as the chimpanzee. The firefly, he said, would not.

The near-human characteristics of the chimp lay at the heart of primate expert Jane Goodall's landmark study begun in Tanzania almost a half-century ago. Yesterday, she spoke of chimps named Mel and Spindle and a heart-rending scene of compassion in the jungle in which the animals, both orphans from an early age, essentially helped each other cope with the loss of their mothers.

Yesterday, NIH announced a $24 million grant over 10 years that will allow Chimp Haven, an animal sanctuary in Louisiana, to shelter some 800 chimpanzees that have survived medical experiments.

Dr. Peter Theran, a vice president at the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, is on the board of directors for Chimp Haven, a 200-acre forested facilty near Shreveport that is slated to become the nation's first convalescent home for chimpanzees.

''It's really exciting,'' Theran said. The NIH advisory group ''worked seven years to find this perfect spot, a rainforest where the weather is great and protected from hurricanes,'' he said.

Other nations have taken stronger legal steps to protect chimps in research. New Zealand, England, and Germany all have laws protecting chimpanzees from medical experimentation. But the gesture was easy to make, speakers said, because those countries had almost no chimps in research.

David Favre, a law professor at the Detroit College of Law at Michigan State University, said the law should be modeled on current animal cruelty laws and be prosecuted case by case, rather than completely banning the use of chimps in experimentation.

One of the more emotional moments in the symposium came when a member of the audience asked speakers whether they would oppose animal research into a disease that might be killing their child. One panelist noted that chimps are an endangered species, while humans are overpopulated, suggesting that the chimps ought not to be sacrified for people's sake.

''Why take the life of an endangered species to make an overpopulated species even more overpopulated?'' said Roger Fouts, a researcher at Central Washington University who worked on Project Washoe, named for the first nonhuman animal to acquire a human language.

''Now wait a minute, Roger!'' Goodall cut in. ''As a mother, I would do anything, sacrifice anything, to save my child. That's part of being a mother.''

The subject was dropped without elaboration, as speakers moved on to other topics.

Reached by telephone, Mary Hanley, executive vice president of the National Association for Biomedical Research, said that ''chimpanzees play a vital role in biomedical research,'' even though they are used less today. She said they may play an important role in developing new vaccines against potential bioterrorism agents, such as anthrax.

''Until there's a better model, the animals will still have to be used,'' she said.

This story ran on page A1 of the Boston Globe on 10/1/2002.

   



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<<
The near-human characteristics of the chimp lay at the heart of primate
expert Jane Goodall's landmark study begun in Tanzania almost a half-century
ago. Yesterday, she spoke of chimps named Mel and Spindle and a heart-rending
scene of compassion in the jungle in which the animals, both orphans from an
early age, essentially helped each other cope with the loss of their mothers.

>>

I just came home from hearing Jane Goodall speak! She was beautiful,
inspirational, wise, funny, and powerful. She told these stories and more
which all led into wonderful passionate pleas to help the earth and help each
other, not just chimpanzees. Being a rather petite almost frail looking
woman, she filled the theatre with a power that overcame everyone. I actually
thought of Kim Hunter while watching her.....how intersting it would have
been to seen them meet. I wonder what Ms. goodall thinks of POTA...I didn't
ask her as she signed my 30 year old copy of "My Friends: the Wild
Chimpanzees" but I did get to shake her hand! A truly great night ...one that
I'd been hoping for for so long.....I encourage everyone to join the Jane
Goodall Institute...

.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 10:31:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I'm surprized you liked it. I thought you hated circular timelines.

I didn't think it created a circular timeline.
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.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 10:38:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  there was a sci-fi doc hosted by Mark Hamill that came out about 6 months
before the premiere of "Behind the POTA" that used interviews from Heston
and others that weren't in the latter. I've got it somewheres. That one
definitely gave "Apes" it's due. - - - Jeff

Yeah, I'd forgotten about that.  I remember now that when I saw it I thought, Oh my God, this is stuff Fox is going to use for a special edition of PLANET on video.

-- Rory<.html

<<
The near-human characteristics of the chimp lay at the heart of primate
expert Jane Goodall's landmark study begun in Tanzania almost a half-century
ago. Yesterday, she spoke of chimps named Mel and Spindle and a heart-rending
scene of compassion in the jungle in which the animals, both orphans from an
early age, essentially helped each other cope with the loss of their mothers.

>>

I just came home from hearing Jane Goodall speak! She was beautiful,
inspirational, wise, funny, and powerful. She told these stories and more
which all led into wonderful passionate pleas to help the earth and help each
other, not just chimpanzees. Being a rather petite almost frail looking
woman, she filled the theatre with a power that overcame everyone. I actually
thought of Kim Hunter while watching her.....how intersting it would have
been to seen them meet. I wonder what Ms. goodall thinks of POTA...I didn't
ask her as she signed my 30 year old copy of "My Friends: the Wild
Chimpanzees" but I did get to shake her hand! A truly great night ...one that
I'd been hoping for for so long.....I encourage everyone to join the Jane
Goodall Institute...

She was here promoting the new IMAX movie about her and her work. Go to this
website and JOIN!!!

<A HREF="http://www.janegoodall.org">www.janegoodall.org</A>

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 11:12:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  POTA2001 will come out on D-VHS on Nov. 5. Rory will explain.

Two Lucas notes from comingsoon.net (OT): James Earle jones says Darth Vader is in the last 5 minutes of 'Episode 3" and "Indiana Jones 4" will have a scene with his girlfriends from the other movies. These are good scoops! - - - Jeff



Where did you find that out, O High Potentate?  Anyway, it doesn't excite me -- it would if it were the original.  D-VHS is Digital VHS cassettes.  The picture and sound are recorded on the tape as little ones and zeros.  Because the tape can hold more digital information than DVD currently can, D-VHS can store and record HD signals.  It's supposed to look quite awesome.  Fox is really jumping on it, but I don't think the format will last once HD-DVDs arrive.  Disc is still the better storage method and it offers quick access to chapters and extras and such.

--Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 11:12:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Two Lucas notes from comingsoon.net (OT): James Earle Jones says Darth Vader is in the last 5 minutes of 'Episode 3" and "Indiana Jones 4" will have a scene with his girlfriends from the other movies. These are good scoops! - - - Jeff

I would hope that Darth makes an appearence in "Episode 3," otherwise what's the point?   It looks like "Indy 4" is going to happen, but it's still got several script drafts to go through.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 11:25:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

I actually thought of Kim Hunter while watching her.....how intersting it would have
been to seen them meet. I wonder what Ms. Goodall thinks of POTA...I didn't
ask her as she signed my 30 year old copy of "My Friends: the Wild
Chimpanzees" but I did get to shake her hand! 

I, too, still have my copy of "My Friends the Wild Chimpanzees" that I got in 1970.  I'd like to meet her, but I wouldn't bring up POTA.  I think most of the primatologists think it just promoted simian stereotypes (mean gorillas and such), but I wouldn't be surprised if Goodall didn't admire Zira.  I'll bet she's never seen the movie, though.

Maybe the High Potentate of POTAdom has met her and knows?

-- Rory

-- Rory
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I met Jane Goodall at a book fair a couple years ago. I had the same
impulse to ask her what she thought of POTA but she seemed so shy (and there
was a mob to meet her). She signed 2 books for me: "A Reason For Hope" and
"POTA as American Myth". I do know that 2 big influences on her as a child
were Tarzan and Dr. Dolittle (Arthur Jacobs filmed the latter, of
course). - - - Jeff

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Another story on Chimps


> <<
> The near-human characteristics of the chimp lay at the heart of primate
> expert Jane Goodall's landmark study begun in Tanzania almost a
half-century
> ago. Yesterday, she spoke of chimps named Mel and Spindle and a
heart-rending
> scene of compassion in the jungle in which the animals, both orphans from
an
> early age, essentially helped each other cope with the loss of their
mothers.
> >>
>
> I just came home from hearing Jane Goodall speak! She was beautiful,
> inspirational, wise, funny, and powerful. She told these stories and more
> which all led into wonderful passionate pleas to help the earth and help
each
> other, not just chimpanzees. Being a rather petite almost frail looking
> woman, she filled the theatre with a power that overcame everyone. I
actually
> thought of Kim Hunter while watching her.....how intersting it would have
> been to seen them meet. I wonder what Ms. goodall thinks of POTA...I
didn't
> ask her as she signed my 30 year old copy of "My Friends: the Wild
> Chimpanzees" but I did get to shake her hand! A truly great night ...one
that
> I'd been hoping for for so long.....I encourage everyone to join the Jane
> Goodall Institute...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:20 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The New Twilight Zone

In a message dated 10/3/02 10:31:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I'm surprized you liked it. I thought you hated circular timelines.

I didn't think it created a circular timeline.

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/3/02 11:59:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  OK, break it up you guys! Don't start that again.

I just want to say one more thing.....

I've been thinking about it and I've decided there is no such thing as a circular timeline.  All timelines are straight, that's why they're called lines.  What there are are ALTERNATE timelines, and when Zira and Cornelius traveled back to 1973 they created an alternate timeline.

-- Rory<.html

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Questions for Patrick!

Patrick, what do you think of the spaceship in FORBIDDEN PLANET?
Are so-called flying saucers really practical?
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Wasn't that the whole point. She killed the wrong baby and 'created
the monster she was trying to stop'.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/3/02 10:31:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > I'm surprized you liked it. I thought you hated circular
timelines.
> >
> I didn't think it created a circular timeline.

Both were reported in Entertainment Weekly months ago as was that
the girlfriend scene was cut in the latest drafts.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/3/02 11:12:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
>
> > Two Lucas notes from comingsoon.net (OT): James Earle Jones
says Darth
> > Vader is in the last 5 minutes of 'Episode 3" and "Indiana Jones
4" will
> > have a scene with his girlfriends from the other movies. These
are good
> > scoops! - - - Jeff
>
> I would hope that Darth makes an appearence in "Episode 3,"
otherwise what's
> the point? It looks like "Indy 4" is going to happen, but it's
still got
> several script drafts to go through.
>
> -- Rory

So if a Science Fiction writer (fiction being the operative word)
wanted to write a story dealing with a circular timeline he or she
is not allowed to because you say so?

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> I just want to say one more thing.....
>
> I've been thinking about it and I've decided there is no such
thing as a
> circular timeline. All timelines are straight, that's why they're
called
> lines. What there are are ALTERNATE timelines, and when Zira and
Cornelius
> traveled back to 1973 they created an alternate timeline.
>
> -- Rory

James Earl Jones and Harrison Ford respectively confirmed them, sir! Lucas
in 2005! woo-hoo! - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)


> Both were reported in Entertainment Weekly months ago as was that
> the girlfriend scene was cut in the latest drafts.
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/3/02 11:12:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > veetus@e... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Two Lucas notes from comingsoon.net (OT): James Earle Jones
> says Darth
> > > Vader is in the last 5 minutes of 'Episode 3" and "Indiana Jones
> 4" will
> > > have a scene with his girlfriends from the other movies. These
> are good
> > > scoops! - - - Jeff
> >
> > I would hope that Darth makes an appearence in "Episode 3,"
> otherwise what's
> > the point? It looks like "Indy 4" is going to happen, but it's
> still got
> > several script drafts to go through.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/4/02 12:32:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

So if a Science Fiction writer (fiction being the operative word)
wanted to write a story dealing with a circular timeline he or she
is not allowed to because you say so?

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/4/02 12:34:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

James Earl Jones and Harrison Ford respectively confirmed them, sir! Lucas
in 2005! woo-hoo! - - Jeff

Save your breath, O High One.  James simply loves to argue.<.html

Ford did at the time EW first reported it too but their latest
report was that it was cut in the recent drafts and that was
confirmed by Spielberg.
And there's no dispute on the Darth Vader appearance in Episode III.
EW had that in their coverage of II last summer.

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> James Earl Jones and Harrison Ford respectively confirmed them,
sir! Lucas
> in 2005! woo-hoo! - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)
>
>
> > Both were reported in Entertainment Weekly months ago as was that
> > the girlfriend scene was cut in the latest drafts.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 10/3/02 11:12:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > veetus@e... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Two Lucas notes from comingsoon.net (OT): James Earle Jones
> > says Darth
> > > > Vader is in the last 5 minutes of 'Episode 3" and "Indiana
Jones
> > 4" will
> > > > have a scene with his girlfriends from the other movies.
These
> > are good
> > > > scoops! - - - Jeff
> > >
> > > I would hope that Darth makes an appearence in "Episode 3,"
> > otherwise what's
> > > the point? It looks like "Indy 4" is going to happen, but
it's
> > still got
> > > several script drafts to go through.
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >

Hey I'm just reporting what I read.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Save your breath, O High One. James simply loves to argue.

Awww I love you too Rory.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/4/02 12:32:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > So if a Science Fiction writer (fiction being the operative
word)
> > wanted to write a story dealing with a circular timeline he or
she
> > is not allowed to because you say so?
>
> [Unable to display image]

Well, Vader could've appeared and not said nuthin. Mr. Earl Jones confirms
Vader will speak. "YES, INDEED, HE WILL SPEAK, JAMES. THIS IS JAMES EARL
JONES, THE VOICE OF DARTH VADER, CONFIRMING IT. AND OF COURSE A CIRCULAR
TIMELINE IS POPPYCOCK."
And they gotta have the scene with the chicks. It'll be there. "Trust
me". - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)


> Ford did at the time EW first reported it too but their latest
> report was that it was cut in the recent drafts and that was
> confirmed by Spielberg.
> And there's no dispute on the Darth Vader appearance in Episode III.
> EW had that in their coverage of II last summer.
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > James Earl Jones and Harrison Ford respectively confirmed them,
> sir! Lucas
> > in 2005! woo-hoo! - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)
> >
> >
> > > Both were reported in Entertainment Weekly months ago as was that
> > > the girlfriend scene was cut in the latest drafts.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > > In a message dated 10/3/02 11:12:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > veetus@e... writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Two Lucas notes from comingsoon.net (OT): James Earle Jones
> > > says Darth
> > > > > Vader is in the last 5 minutes of 'Episode 3" and "Indiana
> Jones
> > > 4" will
> > > > > have a scene with his girlfriends from the other movies.
> These
> > > are good
> > > > > scoops! - - - Jeff
> > > >
> > > > I would hope that Darth makes an appearence in "Episode 3,"
> > > otherwise what's
> > > > the point? It looks like "Indy 4" is going to happen, but
> it's
> > > still got
> > > > several script drafts to go through.
> > > >
> > > > -- Rory
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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  Well, Vader could've appeared and not said nuthin. Mr. Earl Jones confirms
Vader will speak. "YES, INDEED, HE WILL SPEAK, JAMES. THIS IS JAMES EARL
JONES, THE VOICE OF DARTH VADER, CONFIRMING  IT. AND OF COURSE A CIRCULAR
TIMELINE IS POPPYCOCK."
And they gotta have the scene with the chicks. It'll be there. "Trust
me". - - - Jeff

Please, O High One, allow me. . . .
<.html

There is no dispute about the Vader thing. That's exactly what EW
reported. I don't know why you're making an issue about it.
As far as the girlfriend thing, Spielberg was commenting that his
wife Kate Capshaw was pissed that it had been cut. That's what EW
reported. Maybe she got him to put it back in since then. I'm just
stating what I read.

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Well, Vader could've appeared and not said nuthin. Mr. Earl
Jones confirms
> Vader will speak. "YES, INDEED, HE WILL SPEAK, JAMES. THIS IS
JAMES EARL
> JONES, THE VOICE OF DARTH VADER, CONFIRMING IT. AND OF COURSE A
CIRCULAR
> TIMELINE IS POPPYCOCK."
> And they gotta have the scene with the chicks. It'll be
there. "Trust
> me". - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)
>
>
> > Ford did at the time EW first reported it too but their latest
> > report was that it was cut in the recent drafts and that was
> > confirmed by Spielberg.
> > And there's no dispute on the Darth Vader appearance in Episode
III.
> > EW had that in their coverage of II last summer.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > James Earl Jones and Harrison Ford respectively confirmed
them,
> > sir! Lucas
> > > in 2005! woo-hoo! - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > To: <pota@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Both were reported in Entertainment Weekly months ago as was
that
> > > > the girlfriend scene was cut in the latest drafts.
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > > > In a message dated 10/3/02 11:12:32 PM Eastern Daylight
Time,
> > > > > veetus@e... writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Two Lucas notes from comingsoon.net (OT): James Earle
Jones
> > > > says Darth
> > > > > > Vader is in the last 5 minutes of 'Episode 3"
and "Indiana
> > Jones
> > > > 4" will
> > > > > > have a scene with his girlfriends from the other movies.
> > These
> > > > are good
> > > > > > scoops! - - - Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > I would hope that Darth makes an appearence in "Episode 3,"
> > > > otherwise what's
> > > > > the point? It looks like "Indy 4" is going to happen, but
> > it's
> > > > still got
> > > > > several script drafts to go through.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Rory
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

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A CIRCULAR
TIMELINE IS POPPYCOCK."

It's only circular if it's the same.
You're talking about a loop.
It's going over the same period,
but it's not the same.  If it was a
sealed loop and truly circular
it would never change.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:01 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)

A CIRCULAR
TIMELINE IS POPPYCOCK."

It's only circular if it's the same.
You're talking about a loop.
It's going over the same period,
but it's not the same.  If it was a
sealed loop and truly circular
it would never change.


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:46 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)

  That's what we're talking about. A circular timeline that never changes. The ape-o-nauts keep arriving and the world keeps blowing up. Poppycock. - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:01 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)

A CIRCULAR
TIMELINE IS POPPYCOCK."

It's only circular if it's the same.
You're talking about a loop.
It's going over the same period,
but it's not the same.  If it was a
sealed loop and truly circular
it would never change.

<.html

"The Lost World" - you can never go wrong with a Pete Faulk movie!

----- Original Message -----
From: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:31 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1340



There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: The Living and the Dead
From: MTotsky@...
2. Our Man Burton
From: <veetus@...>
3. Sci-Fi on History Channel
From: MTotsky@...
4. Re: MGM Classics
From: Haristas@...
5. Re: The Living and the Dead
From: Haristas@...
6. Re: The Living and the Dead
From: Haristas@...
7. Re: Outta site!
From: Haristas@...
8. Re: Re: (OT) The Lost World
From: Haristas@...
9. Re: Re: (OT) The Lost World
From: Haristas@...
10. Re: The Living and the Dead
From: LordTZer0@...
11. Re: The Living and the Dead
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
12. Chimp Sanctuary
From: Haristas@...
13. Another story on Chimps
From: Haristas@...
14. The New Twilight Zone
From: Haristas@...
15. Re: The New Twilight Zone
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
16. Re: Sci-Fi on History Channel
From: <veetus@...>
17. Re: The Living and the Dead
From: apefan23@...
18. Re: The Living and the Dead
From: <veetus@...>
19. Ape ' D
From: <veetus@...>
20. Re: Another story on Chimps
From: apefan23@...
21. Re: Re: The New Twilight Zone
From: Haristas@...
22. Re: Sci-Fi on History Channel
From: Haristas@...
23. Re: Another story on Chimps
From: apefan23@...
24. Re: Another story on Chimps
From: apefan23@...
25. Re: Ape ' D
From: Haristas@...


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Guess you didn't see Corky Romano.

--- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> "The Lost World" - you can never go wrong with a Pete Faulk movie!

.htmlIn a message dated 10/4/02 5:01:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

A CIRCULAR
TIMELINE IS POPPYCOCK."

It's only circular if it's the same.
You're talking about a loop.
It's going over the same period,
but it's not the same.  If it was a
sealed loop and truly circular
it would never change.



And I find it very hard to believe that history would endlessly repeat itself and never change.  There's just too many causalities that happen.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/4/02 9:46:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  That's what we're talking about. A circular timeline that never changes. The ape-o-nauts keep arriving and the world keeps blowing up. Poppycock. - - Jeff

Now you've all heard it from the Lord High Potentate of PotAdom himself.  Case closed.

Hear that Matt, James, Patrick and the still missing Alex?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/4/02 10:12:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Hah! There's an early review of the remake of "Willard" at www.aintitcoolnews.com

. I first saw "Willard" on the CBS movies the night the POTA TV show episode "The Gladiators" premiered. It became a favorite for me (I used to have rats as a kid) and I always connected the two (the "animals run amok" theme). The new one stars Crispin Glover as the title character and Lee Emery (the drill instructor in "Full metal Jacket") as his boss. This I gotta see! - - - Jeff



Yeah, I read that last night, too.  The guy who wrote it talked about not liking "rat movies," as if there's such a genre.  Anyway, I hope it's good.  I've never thought the original was that good, probably because I read the novel and it's very different from the movie and really creepy.  Jeff, it's called "The Ratman's Notebooks" by Stephen Gilbert.  It's well worth seeing if your library can get it or you can find a used copy.

-- Rory

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/4/02 10:12:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

I first saw "Willard" on the CBS movies the night the POTA TV show episode "The Gladiators" premiered. It became a favorite for me (I used to have rats as a kid) and I always connected the two (the "animals run amok" theme). The new one stars Crispin Glover as the title character and Lee Emery (the drill instructor in "Full metal Jacket") as his boss. This I gotta see! - - - Jeff

Oh, I forgot. . . the book takes place in England, which I guess means it was written by a limey.  Anyway it was published in 1968.  If you get the book you can read it and pretend it's '68 and POTA just came out!  HA! HA! HA!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/4/02 10:48:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Guess you didn't see Corky Romano.

Always with the negative waves, James!  Always with the negative waves!<.html

.htmlFox ups D-VHS

About the only studio still consistently releasing titles on the format, on tap for November 5th from Fox Home Entertainment are three new additions to their growing lineup of D-VHS titles. New to the format are the 2001 remake of Planet of the Apes, Jet Li's Kiss of the Dragon, and the thriller High Crimes. Each features the film in their original aspect ratio, English 5.1 and 2.0 Dolby surround tracks, and no extras. Retail is $34.95 each.

PLANET OF THE APES on D-VHS!!!!!  

NO!!!!  IT'S THE NEW MOVIE!!!!  AAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!




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.htmlIn a message dated 10/4/02 10:31:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

"The Lost World" - you can never go wrong with a Pete Faulk movie!

That's Falk.  You're funny with this "you can never go wrong" business.<.html

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I've always thought this was a cool picture for showing us Evans' real mouth inside the makeup.

-- Rory <.html

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Whatever they were shooting here never made it into the final cut.  This would be the kind of footage that, if saved in the vaults, would be really cool to have as an extra on a 5 Star Edition DVD.

-- Rory <.html

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This still is a good one for showing Marcus, the Head of Security Police.  I wish it was a better scan though.

-- Rory <.html

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WOW!  This is a really cool shot I've never seen before, showing the torch and the crown.  There should have been an angle like this in the film.

-- Rory <.html

And just what University did he get his degree in Temporal Physics
from?

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Now you've all heard it from the Lord High Potentate of PotAdom
himself.
> Case closed.
>
> Hear that Matt, James, Patrick and the still missing Alex?
>
> -- Rory

Don't quote Kelly's Heros to me!!!

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Always with the negative waves, James! Always with the negative
waves!

.htmlIn a message dated 10/4/02 1:42:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

And just what University did he get his degree in Temporal Physics
from?

What University did you get your degree from?   James, you're such a puttz.  "I know you are, but what am I?"  How long are you going to keep this up?  Why don't you just give up like you did in the argument with me over the map and say, "Agree to disagree"?

-- Rory<.html

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This has always been one of my favorite shots from PLANET <.html

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The Tribunal has placed you in my custody for final
disposition.  Do you realize what that means?
Emasculation to begin with, then experimental
surgery on the brain, plus I'll make you read all the
major postings of Patrick Michael Tilton -- it'll be
the worst kind of living death! <.html

I'm not claiming to have a degree but nor am I saying something in
totally impossible either. In Science Fiction, anything that's in
the writer's imagination is possible.
And I didn't give up on the map, it's New York.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> What University did you get your degree from? James, you're such
a puttz.
> "I know you are, but what am I?" How long are you going to keep
this up?
> Why don't you just give up like you did in the argument with me
over the map
> and say, "Agree to disagree"?
>
> -- Rory

My God you're a monster!!! ;-)

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
I'll make you read all the
> major postings of Patrick Michael Tilton -- it'll be
> the worst kind of living death!

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Now this is THE photo to post of Chuck in this group on his birthday.
Good old gun-loving Chuck.  This is also one on the original gorilla rifles he's holding, the Rea Voom 88.  Did you know that you only see these rifles in the first movie.  In BENEATH they're different, mostly wooden knock offs.  I'd love to get my hands on one of these originals.

-- Rory <.html

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Zira: "What is it, Cornelius?"
Cornelius: "He says he's got a message from someone on that planet of his."
Zira: "Well, what does it say, Cornelius?!"
Cornelius: "It says, 'Dear Cornelius, You make rotten maps.  Love, James.'"
Zira: "What the...?!!!"
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>
> Yeah, I got a "Planet of the Grapes" magnet. I'd rather have the actual
> card (or were they stickers)? Wacky Packs are classics from back in the day,
> young ones. - - - Jeff
>

I've never seen it as a magnet but I've got a couple of Planet of the Grapes
stickers.