-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 2:59
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA pics

This still is a good one for showing Marcus, the Head of Security Police.  I wish it was a better scan though.

-- Rory

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 6:21
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)
>
>
> I'm not claiming to have a degree but nor am I saying something in
> totally impossible either. In Science Fiction, anything that's in
> the writer's imagination is possible.
> And I didn't give up on the map, it's New York.
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > What University did you get your degree from? James, you're such
> a puttz.
> > "I know you are, but what am I?" How long are you going to keep
> this up?
> > Why don't you just give up like you did in the argument with me
> over the map
> > and say, "Agree to disagree"?
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
> Hey Patrick, I know you'll be back posting tomorrow (shudder), so let's get
> some closure here....
>
> So far I believe 4 in the group have come forward to agree with me that the
> "Mothership Earth" scenario you attempt is "crazy". Not just a bit "crazy",
> but totally FUBAR.
>
> Nobody has come forward to disagree.

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 8:49 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)

In a message dated 10/4/02 9:46:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  That's what we're talking about. A circular timeline that never changes. The ape-o-nauts keep arriving and the world keeps blowing up. Poppycock. - - Jeff

Now you've all heard it from the Lord High Potentate of PotAdom himself.  Case closed.

Hear that Matt, James, Patrick and the still missing Alex?

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 8:59 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Willard" (OT)

In a message dated 10/4/02 10:12:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Hah! There's an early review of the remake of "Willard" at www.aintitcoolnews.com

. I first saw "Willard" on the CBS movies the night the POTA TV show episode "The Gladiators" premiered. It became a favorite for me (I used to have rats as a kid) and I always connected the two (the "animals run amok" theme). The new one stars Crispin Glover as the title character and Lee Emery (the drill instructor in "Full metal Jacket") as his boss. This I gotta see! - - - Jeff

Yeah, I read that last night, too.  The guy who wrote it talked about not liking "rat movies," as if there's such a genre.  Anyway, I hope it's good.  I've never thought the original was that good, probably because I read the novel and it's very different from the movie and really creepy.  Jeff, it's called "The Ratman's Notebooks" by Stephen Gilbert.  It's well worth seeing if your library can get it or you can find a used copy.

-- Rory

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:13 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Apes D

Fox ups D-VHS

About the only studio still consistently releasing titles on the format, on tap for November 5th from Fox Home Entertainment are three new additions to their growing lineup of D-VHS titles. New to the format are the 2001 remake of Planet of the Apes, Jet Li's Kiss of the Dragon, and the thriller High Crimes. Each features the film in their original aspect ratio, English 5.1 and 2.0 Dolby surround tracks, and no extras. Retail is $34.95 each.

PLANET OF THE APES on D-VHS!!!!!  

NO!!!!  IT'S THE NEW MOVIE!!!!  AAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!






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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:07 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1340

In a message dated 10/4/02 10:31:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

"The Lost World" - you can never go wrong with a Pete Faulk movie!

That's Falk.  You're funny with this "you can never go wrong" business.

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From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:03 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] POTA pics

It shows some pretty ordinary looking background masks too!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 2:59
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA pics

This still is a good one for showing Marcus, the Head of Security Police.  I wish it was a better scan though.

-- Rory

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From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)


> And just what University did he get his degree in Temporal Physics
> from?
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > Now you've all heard it from the Lord High Potentate of PotAdom
> himself.
> > Case closed.
> >
> > Hear that Matt, James, Patrick and the still missing Alex?
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:17 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] PMT Closure

It looks like a printout of a PMT posting......for Cornelius to read while taking a crap (ooh, it works a treat!).

 

Hey Patrick, I know you'll be back posting tomorrow (shudder), so let's get some closure here....

 

So far I believe 4 in the group have come forward to agree with me that the "Mothership Earth" scenario you attempt is "crazy".  Not just a bit "crazy", but totally FUBAR.

 

Nobody has come forward to disagree.

 

Now I know this "Opus" is for you only, but if the majority of people (and those people being POTA fans at that) think your idea stinks, isn't it time to re-think?

 

I am not just trying to be insulting Patrick (hey, if I was I'd just call you "Pat"), I am seriously saying that you have gone too far here and your intention to make the series more believable is really being challenged.  The "Mothership Earth" scenario is FAR less believable.  And there is no point squabbling with me about it, I can  almost guarantee it is a unanimous feeling.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 6:43
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA pic

Zira: "What is it, Cornelius?"
Cornelius: "He says he's got a message from someone on that planet of his."
Zira: "Well, what does it say, Cornelius?!"
Cornelius: "It says, 'Dear Cornelius, You make rotten maps.  Love, James.'"
Zira: "What the...?!!!"
Cornelius: "Lousy human bastard!" 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:35 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] PMT Closure

In a message dated 10/4/02 7:28:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I am not just trying to be insulting Patrick (hey, if I was I'd just call you "Pat"), I am seriously saying that you have gone too far here and your intention to make the series more believable is really being challenged.  The "Mothership Earth" scenario is FAR less believable.  And there is no point squabbling with me about it, I can  almost guarantee it is a unanimous feeling.

Michael

Yeah, and in ESCAPE Cornelius is NOT lying about the past to Dr. Hasslein, dammit!

And while you're pondering Michael's question, how about you give me the mathamatical equation that proves that history can endlessly repeat itself?  Boy, I'm still amazed you believe in the circular timeline thing.  The Planet of the Apes movies are a cycle, eh?   POPPYCOCK!!!!  Paul Dehn was a poet, not a serious SF writer, AND niether was Serling!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:33 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Map Closure Topic 1 - Where?


> Right.
>
> Let's take this piece by peice and then put it away.
>
> I am sure this map is supposed to represent part of what is left of the
> North/East coast of America.
>
> Now the reason the map is so vague is:
>
> (1) the film makers did not want the area to be too recognisable, or the
> twist at the end of the movie (Liberty) would have been lost on the vast
> majority of film goers who recognised the area on the map;
>
> (2) the film makers believed that the area would have been changed over
the
> 2000 years. Now this is a typical problem with the movie....it would have
> taken well over 2000 for such massive changes to the landscape. Maybe we
> are supposed to believe the changes are due to the Nuclear War, but
whatever
> the reason, I think it is easy to accept that it was assumed that much of
> the landscape had changed dramatically.
>
> Does anyone firmly disagree with any of this?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 6:21
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)
> >
> >
> > I'm not claiming to have a degree but nor am I saying something in
> > totally impossible either. In Science Fiction, anything that's in
> > the writer's imagination is possible.
> > And I didn't give up on the map, it's New York.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > What University did you get your degree from? James, you're such
> > a puttz.
> > > "I know you are, but what am I?" How long are you going to keep
> > this up?
> > > Why don't you just give up like you did in the argument with me
> > over the map
> > > and say, "Agree to disagree"?
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Map Closure Topic 1 - Where?

In a message dated 10/4/02 7:49:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

(2) the film makers believed that the area would have been changed over the
2000 years.  Now this is a typical problem with the movie....it would have
taken well over 2000 years for such massive changes to the landscape.  Maybe we
are supposed to believe the changes are due to the Nuclear War, but whatever
the reason, I think it is easy to accept that it was assumed that much of
the landscape had changed dramatically.

Does anyone firmly disagree with any of this?

Michael

No, the filmmakers tried to hide the reality from us (except in BENEATH they show us the Statue of Liberty at the very beginning!), and they wanted you to believe the landscape had changed, and YES it would take not 2000 years but tens of thousand of years for the landscape of the Northeast U.S. to look like the Southwest U.S.   However (and I won't go as far as Patrick has gone to explain it), but I believe the filmmakers had in mind that the Northeast coast of the U.S. would become a megalopolis in the future and that in a nuclear war the area would be bombarded with not just five or six hydrogen bombs, or 10 or 12, but by dozens that would reduce the area to a vast radioactive wasteland of dust.  Over the centuries erosion would wear away at the landscape so that it looked something like where the filmmakers chose to film the early part of PLANET.

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:15 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Mysterious DVD

How many here have seen this movie?  It's one of my favorites and it'll be out on DVD on Oct. 29th.



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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 9:51
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] PMT Closure

In a message dated 10/4/02 7:45:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

The whole circular idea is the Fatalistic approach - our lives are pre-determined and we have no control.  So I guess that "video tape" may very well be played over and over again.

Sorta what some religious fanatics believe

OH MY GOD!!!!!   YOU'RE ONE OF THE PODS, TOO!!!!    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reality is not stored on cosmic videotape!   Boulle's book and the first film made sense in how they played with time travel, but when Dehn brought in the whole time warp thing he really moved the APES concept more into fantasy.

-- Rory

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:17 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] PMT Closure

It looks like a printout of a PMT posting......for Cornelius to read while taking a crap (ooh, it works a treat!).

 

Hey Patrick, I know you'll be back posting tomorrow (shudder), so let's get some closure here....

 

So far I believe 4 in the group have come forward to agree with me that the "Mothership Earth" scenario you attempt is "crazy".  Not just a bit "crazy", but totally FUBAR.

 

Nobody has come forward to disagree.

 

Now I know this "Opus" is for you only, but if the majority of people (and those people being POTA fans at that) think your idea stinks, isn't it time to re-think?

 

I am not just trying to be insulting Patrick (hey, if I was I'd just call you "Pat"), I am seriously saying that you have gone too far here and your intention to make the series more believable is really being challenged.  The "Mothership Earth" scenario is FAR less believable.  And there is no point squabbling with me about it, I can  almost guarantee it is a unanimous feeling.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 6:43
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA pic

Zira: "What is it, Cornelius?"
Cornelius: "He says he's got a message from someone on that planet of his."
Zira: "Well, what does it say, Cornelius?!"
Cornelius: "It says, 'Dear Cornelius, You make rotten maps.  Love, James.'"
Zira: "What the...?!!!"
Cornelius: "Lousy human bastard!" 

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----- Original Message -----
From: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:36 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1343


>
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: Ape ' D (OT)
> From: Haristas@...
> 2. Re: Ape ' D (OT)
> From: Haristas@...
> 3. Re: "Willard" (OT)
> From: Haristas@...
> 4. Re: "Willard" (OT)
> From: Haristas@...
> 5. Re: Digest Number 1340 (OT)
> From: Haristas@...
> 6. Apes D
> From: Haristas@...
> 7. Re: Digest Number 1340
> From: Haristas@...
> 8. CH's B'Day!
> From: Haristas@...
> 9. POTA pic
> From: Haristas@...
> 10. POTA pic
> From: Haristas@...
> 11. POTA pics
> From: Haristas@...
> 12. POTA pic
> From: Haristas@...
> 13. Re: Ape ' D (OT)
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> 14. Re: Digest Number 1340 (OT)
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> 15. Re: Ape ' D (OT)
> From: Haristas@...
> 16. POTA pic
> From: Haristas@...
> 17. POTA pic
> From: Haristas@...
> 18. Re: Ape ' D (OT)
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> 19. Re: POTA pic
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> 20. POTA pic
> From: Haristas@...
> 21. POTA pic
> From: Haristas@...
> 22. Re: (OT) Re: Planet of the Grapes
> From: Melkor <melkor@...>
> 23. RE: POTA pics
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> 24. PMT Closure
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> 25. Re: PMT Closure
> From: Haristas@...
>
>
> ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Paul Dehn was a poet,
> not a serious SF writer, AND niether was Serling!
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Right.
>
> Let's take this piece by peice and then put it away.
>
> I am sure this map is supposed to represent part of what is left
of the
> North/East coast of America.
>
> Now the reason the map is so vague is:
>
> (1) the film makers did not want the area to be too recognisable,
or the
> twist at the end of the movie (Liberty) would have been lost on
the vast
> majority of film goers who recognised the area on the map;
>
> (2) the film makers believed that the area would have been changed
over the
> 2000 years. Now this is a typical problem with the movie....it
would have
> taken well over 2000 for such massive changes to the landscape.
Maybe we
> are supposed to believe the changes are due to the Nuclear War,
but whatever
> the reason, I think it is easy to accept that it was assumed that
much of
> the landscape had changed dramatically.
>
> Does anyone firmly disagree with any of this?
>
> Michael
>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> One thing at a time Rory!!!
>
> The whole circular idea is the Fatalistic approach - our lives are
> pre-determined and we have no control. So I guess that "video
tape" may
> very well be played over and over again.
>
> Sorta what some religious fanatics believe

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> However (and I won't go as far as Patrick has gone
> to explain it), but I believe the filmmakers had in mind that the
Northeast
> coast of the U.S. would become a megalopolis in the future and
that in a
> nuclear war the area would be bombarded with not just five or six
hydrogen
> bombs, or 10 or 12, but by dozens that would reduce the area to a
vast
> radioactive wasteland of dust. Over the centuries erosion would
wear away at
> the landscape so that it looked something like where the
filmmakers chose to
> film the early part of PLANET.
>
> -- Rory

> "Toto… I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."
>

> "Rosebud."

>
> "Play it, Sam."

>
> "Frankly my dear…"

>
> "Open the pod bay door please, HAL."

>
> "The trick… is not minding that it hurts."

>
> "Nobody's perfect."

>
> "Louis… this could be the start of a beautiful friendship."

>
> "Phone home…"

>
> "Mrs. Robinson, you're trying to seduce me… aren't you?"

>
> "It's alive!"

>
> And many more which to the advanced cinema aficionado can bring a

> recognition:
>
> "Look ma, top 'o the world!"

>
> "Hello, gorgeous…"

>
> "I do not drink… wine."

>
> "I'm as mad as hell…"

>
> "I coulda been a contender."

>
> "You're going to need a bigger boat…"

>
> "It's almost time for Wapner."

>
> "Snap out of it!"

>
> "La di dah…"

>
> "Mr. DeMille… I'm ready for my close-up."

>
> "Fasten you're seat belts… It's going to be a bumpy night."

>
> "He likes your lemonade."

>
> "I'll alert the media."

>
> "I am not an animal!"

>
> "Here's Johnny!"

>
> "You want me to hold the chicken?"

>
> "Pres, I'm kneelin' to ya."

>
> "You just put your lips together…"

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Sir, I have been credited in 5 POTA books. I am due for an
honorary
> doctorate from POTA University. - - - Jeff
>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I'm not saying I totally embrace the mothership idea but it's a
new way to look at it and I haven't heard any better ideas to deal
with the ship flubs. More power to him. I know how he feels after my
idea about Cornelius sketching the costumes for Armando got shot
down (sniff!). - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:17 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] PMT Closure
>
>
> It looks like a printout of a PMT posting......for Cornelius to
read while taking a crap (ooh, it works a treat!).
>
> Hey Patrick, I know you'll be back posting tomorrow (shudder),
so let's get some closure here....
>
> So far I believe 4 in the group have come forward to agree with
me that the "Mothership Earth" scenario you attempt is "crazy". Not
just a bit "crazy", but totally FUBAR.
>
> Nobody has come forward to disagree.
>
> Now I know this "Opus" is for you only, but if the majority of
people (and those people being POTA fans at that) think your idea
stinks, isn't it time to re-think?
>
> I am not just trying to be insulting Patrick (hey, if I was I'd
just call you "Pat"), I am seriously saying that you have gone too
far here and your intention to make the series more believable is
really being challenged. The "Mothership Earth" scenario is FAR
less believable. And there is no point squabbling with me about it,
I can almost guarantee it is a unanimous feeling.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haristas@a... [Haristas@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 6:43
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA pic
>
>
>
> Zira: "What is it, Cornelius?"
> Cornelius: "He says he's got a message from someone on that
planet of his."
> Zira: "Well, what does it say, Cornelius?!"
> Cornelius: "It says, 'Dear Cornelius, You make rotten maps.
Love, James.'"
> Zira: "What the...?!!!"
> Cornelius: "Lousy human bastard!"
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I just chalk it up to poor ape mapmaking skills. Obviously the
landscape
> changed somewhat because we see it in the final shot. But not as
much as in
> the map. - - - Jeff

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> I don't know. Where's James? Out getting drunk on a Friday night?
> We won't see Patrick until morning. About eight hours from now.
Good ol'
> Pat is a creature of habit.
>
> -- Rory

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 19:15
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Map Closure Topic 1 - Where?
>
>
> Totally agree with you on both points Micheal.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Right.
> >
> > Let's take this piece by peice and then put it away.
> >
> > I am sure this map is supposed to represent part of what is left
> of the
> > North/East coast of America.
> >
> > Now the reason the map is so vague is:
> >
> > (1) the film makers did not want the area to be too recognisable,
> or the
> > twist at the end of the movie (Liberty) would have been lost on
> the vast
> > majority of film goers who recognised the area on the map;
> >
> > (2) the film makers believed that the area would have been changed
> over the
> > 2000 years. Now this is a typical problem with the movie....it
> would have
> > taken well over 2000 for such massive changes to the landscape.
> Maybe we
> > are supposed to believe the changes are due to the Nuclear War,
> but whatever
> > the reason, I think it is easy to accept that it was assumed that
> much of
> > the landscape had changed dramatically.
> >
> > Does anyone firmly disagree with any of this?
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 19:29

> >
> > "You just put your lips together…"
> Don't know but it was Lauren Bacall to Bogart.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 19:36
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] PMT Closure
>
>
> Why deal with all the flubs. Why not just caulk it up to dramatic
> licence and the sloppiness of the filmmakers and move on. I'd rather
> discuss the ideas and satire of the films than why the ship had 4
> seats in one film and 3 seats in another.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > I'm not saying I totally embrace the mothership idea but it's a
> new way to look at it and I haven't heard any better ideas to deal
> with the ship flubs. More power to him. I know how he feels after my
> idea about Cornelius sketching the costumes for Armando got shot
> down (sniff!). - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Whitty
> > To: pota@y...
> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:17 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] PMT Closure
> >
> >
> > It looks like a printout of a PMT posting......for Cornelius to
> read while taking a crap (ooh, it works a treat!).
> >
> > Hey Patrick, I know you'll be back posting tomorrow (shudder),
> so let's get some closure here....
> >
> > So far I believe 4 in the group have come forward to agree with
> me that the "Mothership Earth" scenario you attempt is "crazy". Not
> just a bit "crazy", but totally FUBAR.
> >
> > Nobody has come forward to disagree.
> >
> > Now I know this "Opus" is for you only, but if the majority of
> people (and those people being POTA fans at that) think your idea
> stinks, isn't it time to re-think?
> >
> > I am not just trying to be insulting Patrick (hey, if I was I'd
> just call you "Pat"), I am seriously saying that you have gone too
> far here and your intention to make the series more believable is
> really being challenged. The "Mothership Earth" scenario is FAR
> less believable. And there is no point squabbling with me about it,
> I can almost guarantee it is a unanimous feeling.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Haristas@a... [Haristas@a...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 6:43
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA pic
> >
> >
> >
> > Zira: "What is it, Cornelius?"
> > Cornelius: "He says he's got a message from someone on that
> planet of his."
> > Zira: "Well, what does it say, Cornelius?!"
> > Cornelius: "It says, 'Dear Cornelius, You make rotten maps.
> Love, James.'"
> > Zira: "What the...?!!!"
> > Cornelius: "Lousy human bastard!"
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 19:41
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Map Closure Topic 1 - Where?
>
>
> Not drunk, Lucky:-)
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > I don't know. Where's James? Out getting drunk on a Friday night?
> > We won't see Patrick until morning. About eight hours from now.
> Good ol'
> > Pat is a creature of habit.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Right,
>
> So who is arguing?
>
> Where do James and Rory disagree?
>
> Michael
>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I don't mind attempting creative ways to deal
with/explain/distract from the
> flubs, but only to the point where it makes sense...not when it is
MORE
> realistic to just go with the flubs.
>
> I would also like to discuss other things, but I am bothered by
the terrible
> slopiness.
>
> Michael

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Hey, James is having sex.
>
> I might just go and do the same.
>
> Michael
>

--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > "You're going to need a bigger boat…"
> Stumped
>
> > "Snap out of it!"
> Not Sure

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:02 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Apes D

In a message dated 10/4/02 10:21:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  that's pretty damn expensive. You could almost buy POTA and POTA2001 on DVD for the same price. Or the entire POTA2001 toy line on clearance sale. AH HA HA HA! - - - Jeff

Yeah, $34.95 is pretty expensive for a format that won't last.  But what am I talking about?  I paid $54.95 for PLANET when it first came to VHS in 1980 and that tape looked like pan&scan shit!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1343


> If you like movies about rats run amok, there are a couple by James
Herbert,
> one of which has a horrific scene where a trainload of commuters are
> devoured by man-eating rats.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:36 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1343
>
>
> >
> > There are 25 messages in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. Re: Ape ' D (OT)
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 2. Re: Ape ' D (OT)
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 3. Re: "Willard" (OT)
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 4. Re: "Willard" (OT)
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 5. Re: Digest Number 1340 (OT)
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 6. Apes D
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 7. Re: Digest Number 1340
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 8. CH's B'Day!
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 9. POTA pic
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 10. POTA pic
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 11. POTA pics
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 12. POTA pic
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 13. Re: Ape ' D (OT)
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> > 14. Re: Digest Number 1340 (OT)
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> > 15. Re: Ape ' D (OT)
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 16. POTA pic
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 17. POTA pic
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 18. Re: Ape ' D (OT)
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> > 19. Re: POTA pic
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> > 20. POTA pic
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 21. POTA pic
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 22. Re: (OT) Re: Planet of the Grapes
> > From: Melkor <melkor@...>
> > 23. RE: POTA pics
> > From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> > 24. PMT Closure
> > From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> > 25. Re: PMT Closure
> > From: Haristas@...
> >
> >
> > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:28 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: (OT) movie quiz


--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> "Totoâ?¦ I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."
>
Wizard of Oz

> "Rosebud."
Citizen Kane

>
> "Play it, Sam."
Casablanca

>
> "Frankly my dearâ?¦"
Gone with the Wind

>
> "Open the pod bay door please, HAL."
2001

>
> "The trickâ?¦ is not minding that it hurts."
I'm stumped

>
> "Nobody's perfect."
Stumped again

>
> "Louisâ?¦ this could be the start of a beautiful friendship."
Casablanca

>
> "Phone homeâ?¦"
ET

>
> "Mrs. Robinson, you're trying to seduce meâ?¦ aren't you?"
The Gradute

>
> "It's alive!"
Frankenstein

>
> And many more which to the advanced cinema aficionado can bring a
smile of
> recognition:
>
> "Look ma, top 'o the world!"
Jimmy Cagney in Public Enemy #1????

>
> "Hello, gorgeousâ?¦"
Don't know

>
> "I do not drinkâ?¦ wine."
Dracula

>
> "I'm as mad as hellâ?¦"
Network

>
> "I coulda been a contender."
On the Waterfront

>
> "You're going to need a bigger boatâ?¦"
Stumped

>
> "It's almost time for Wapner."
Rainman????
>
> "Snap out of it!"
Not Sure

>
> "La di dahâ?¦"
Stumped

>
> "Mr. DeMilleâ?¦ I'm ready for my close-up."
Sunset Blvd.
>
> "Fasten you're seat beltsâ?¦ It's going to be a bumpy night."
All about Eve

>
> "He likes your lemonade."
Lawrence of Arabia

>
> "I'll alert the media."
Arthur

>
> "I am not an animal!"
The Elephant Man

>
> "Here's Johnny!"
The Shining

>
> "You want me to hold the chicken?"
Holy Grail???
>
> "Pres, I'm kneelin' to ya."
Stumped
>
> "You just put your lips togetherâ?¦"
Don't know but it was Lauren Bacall to Bogart.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> I'm amazed at the ones you missed James.
> I haven't even seen Annie Hall and even I knew La-di-DA.
> I'm not even going to get into You're going to need a bigger boat.
> I have to admit that Nobody's perfect, and Hello Gorgeous, both
> have me stumped, though the latter sounds like Mae West.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> James is dreamin'. You Michael, get off your wife and give the
girl a
> rest! Humans!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2002 1:43
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] PMT Closure

In a message dated 10/5/02 6:30:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I imagine you think the mothership Patrick invented sent a pod to suck my brain.

Michael

Oh, me bloody, bleedin' head!  Michael, you don't know the original INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS?!!!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2002 1:44
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Map Closure Topic 1 - Where?

In a message dated 10/5/02 6:31:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Right,

So who is arguing?

Where do James and Rory disagree?

Michael

On what exact area the map shows.  Haven't you been paying attention?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2002 1:44

On what exact area the map shows.

> In a message dated 9/29/02 12:41:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> > *** They know enough to prevent the Apes from even SUSPECTING that they MAY have any higher brain functions. Nova and that other yahoo purposely erase Taylor's message: Why? The do it because they KNOW that the act of writing is a display of an attribute that'll getcha killed by those mean ol' monkeys. These yahoo humans may not all be Einsteins, but they know how to survive in their harsh environment (until, that is, they get caught by a hunting party of gorillas).
> >
> > Patrick
>
> PATRICK! PATRICK! PATRICK!!!!! Are you mad?!!! They rub out Taylor's writing in the sand because they were "aping" him. Go back and read Boulle!!! The humans in the first and second film were, like in the novel, regressed animalistic creatures. Mankind returned to the ape.
>
> Patrick, I was just beginning to think I could make friends with you, now these postings today. YOU'RE SCREWY!!!
>
> -- Rory

> In a message dated 9/29/02 12:41:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
> Yes, I do recall you also mentioning that about the novelizations... But, Patrick did also use the argument that the novels aren't canon. (I believe he said only the actual films and their corresponding scripts were canon in his eyes.) I on the other hand used the argument that just because something was not in the filmed piece that it could be canon... For instance, in the Beneath novel, it has the meeting of Ursus, Zaius, and the Minister... Now just because we didn't see this doesn't mean it didn't happen... It fits in with the established story of Beneath, so why not include it as canon? I do...

>
> > To be fair I was the one who said that not Patrick. Which is why
> > I've never used the arguement that in the novelization of Escape
> > Cornelius identifies the NYC area as the location of Ape City and
> > the Forbidden Zone in all our map discussions.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > > I remember when I pointed out how the Apes do indeed have books
> > (and I used
> > > the novelization of "The Surgeon" for text to back my case up,)
> > you said that
> > > you don't use anything from the books in your theory, because they
> > aren't
> > > "canon" to you... If you still say that, than why "quote" the
> > Escape novel?

>
> Would anybody be able to spend even one month (let alone 6 or more) awake--and eating & pissing & shitting & showering etc.--in a vessel as friggin' SMALL as this? Now THAT would be a crazy idea.
>
> Yeah, but what's really crazy is that he's able to WALK to the stasis chamber. Those boots didn't look magnetic, did they. They aren't. How can I make such a statement so matter-of-factly? Elementary my dear Tilton, he lit a cigar. If there were no artificial gravity ha would have burnt his finger because there would be no up for the flame to rise to. That would make the pissing and pooping and showering more earth like. But, and this is the real question, what about spanking the ape? It's a question that has puzzled me even back in the Sky-Lab days. I know they told the astronauts to, to prevent prostate cancer, and one to abstain as a control. But with Stewart on board, why bother? There must have been a whole lotta SPACE SEX goin' on! Nice use of LOTTA, don't you think?

> Anyone ever seen Apollo 13, which is a very accurate representation of the space program late 60's, early 70's? Notice how primitive the computer was? The whole idea of an "Automatic Homing Device" is ridiculous.

> Well since the mutants were hiding underground and it was
> a 'Fobidden Zone' it's not such a leap that they would go unnoticed
> for 2,000 years. Plus anyone that did venture there and discovered
> the mutants probably didn't come back further reinforcing the
> Lawgiver's warning on the area.
> If you only take Planet into consideration then you're stuck with
> Zaius refering to it as 'our eastern desert'.

>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > Gee, how did the apes manage to avoid the mutants for two thousand years if they lived so close to the ruins of NYC? Just because it's in the Forbidden Zone? No one goes there in two thousand years?!!!
> >
> > No, James, Ape City would have to be very far away from New York City to keep the apes from discovering the mutants. It would have to be across a desert so vast and barren that it made no point to even try to cross it.
> Cornelius' map simply has to cover an area much larger than you think to make any sense, but of course sense is in short supply in BENEATH. I'll stick with PLANET for what's canon.
> >
> > -- Rory

> Your inferrnce here that Patrick is crazy does not faze me in the
> slightest.
>
> Your parallel to Hal is mean spirited and you just talk a whole lotta
> hooey pooey, so I'm telling mom on you.

>
>
>
> --- "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 9/28/02 11:38:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > *** In Boulle's novel, mankind "fell" through some sort of
> spiritual
> > > > ennui which somehow overtook the entire population, which ended
> up
> > > > preferring to live animalistic lives in zoos or in the wild.
> I've
> > > > always thought that that was kinda too much of a "Frenchy"
> nihilistic
> > > > Beat generation notion, which made the novel's scenario
> somewhat
> > > > implausible in my mind.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't get you there, Patrick, at all. First comes MTV,
> then 'reality TV,' then people stop reading, then machines or
> servants of some class or order do everything for them, all creature
> comforts are provided. Hey, didn't Wells do it first in "The Time
> Machine" with the Eloi? What's this "Frenchy" thing? You got
> something against the French? Boulle was French!!! What are you,
> Patrick? Some kind of heretic?!!! I think your mind is going!
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> >
> > *** "Daisy... Daisy... give me your answer do..."
> >
> > PAT 9000
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >

> It's almost the weekend, and that means it's time to start the POTA e-group
> game of. . . .
> Questions for Patrick!
>
> Patrick, what do you think of the spaceship in FORBIDDEN PLANET?
> Are so-called flying saucers really practical?
> [Unable to display image]

 Stephen King's "The Stand" is about a super-virus that kills most of humanity and a subsequent battle of good v. evil.  Sci-fi or horror?  I loved that movie.  I think you could say "The Tommyknockers" was sci-fi with its aliens taking over the mind of the woman in the process of unearthing them, but classic?  NOT.

> In a message dated 10/5/02 6:36:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
>
> > African Queen? Man, you would never use a title like that for a movie these
> > days.
> >
> > Maybe a Broadway play.....
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
>
> African Queen, isn't that singer Johnny Mathis' nickname?