> In a message dated 10/6/02 9:16:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> > But in the film of PLANET, Nova eventually is able to regain her
> > ability to speak: as Zira had said, "their speech organs are
> > adequate... the flaw lies NOT in anatomy, but IN THE BRAIN." These
> > humans CAN speak, yet CHOOSE NOT TO.
>
> I vehemently disagree. They DO NOT CHOOSE TO not speak -- Patrick, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW. The minds in the humans in the movie have regressed just as Boulle describes in his book. I think your interpretation of the film is WRONG.
>
> Mankind, in PLANET, does NOT return to the Ape; "primitive" apes in our present are able to make vocal sounds ["oo-oo ah-ah"], and they're also able to perform sign language (hell, they not only can learn it, they also have been seen to TEACH it to their own offspring!). But humans don't REPRESS these abilities; rather, we ENCOURAGE them, which results in those Apes getting better and better at it. The humans in PLANET, I think, had to have had their language abilities viciously repressed ages ago by Ape religious fanatics, goaded on by their "Lawgiver" and his so-called "holy scripture".
>
> Again I vehemently disagree. While I DO AGREE that in the "prehistory" of the apes they repressed humans, eventually man was reduced to being a hunted animal in the jungle, without clothing or culture. After hundreds of years of this man would be reduced to a feral creature. Remember there have been children that have been found living in the wild with dogs and such, and they do not speak and, in fact, have to taught to speak. They do not CHOOSE NOT TO SPEAK -- THEY DON'T KNOW HOW.
>
> This is what would have happened to humans in BATTLE if Aldo had killed Caesar. It's one of the reasons I don't see the APES series as a cycle. Caesar's message of trust and understanding wins the day at the end of the film and centuries later we see ape and human children living together as equals.
>
> Zaius insists it's just "acting", or "mimicry"--thought he REALLY knows better, since he's the one who has had Landon lobotomized... and for what? To prevent Landon from using the "speech centers" in his brain ("...but the beast could not speak, OF COURSE, nor will he EVER speak.") The reason that "something's bothering" Zaius (as Zira tells Cornelius), is that Zaius has heard Landon speak... and since Landon didn't know that speaking could get him mutilated, he suffered the lobotomy.
>
> This is true, but it's because Zaius knows the "prehistory" of the apes and he fears that there may be 'mutated' human that have regained the ability to talk.
>
> -- Rory

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Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 3:32 AM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Map Closure Topic 1 - Where?


> Hey, James is having sex.
>
> I might just go and do the same.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 19:41
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Map Closure Topic 1 - Where?
> >
> >
> > Not drunk, Lucky:-)
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > I don't know. Where's James? Out getting drunk on a Friday night?
> > > We won't see Patrick until morning. About eight hours from now.
> > Good ol'
> > > Pat is a creature of habit.
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 9:29 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Malibu Creek

O High Potentate, do you often commune with nature here?  If not, why not?  I would.  If I ever go to L.A. this is one of the first places I'm hitting.


Malibu Creek State Park

Just 25 miles from downtown Los Angeles, the park has over 4,000 acres, featuring hiking, fishing, bird watching and horseback riding opportunities.

There are 15 miles of streamside trail through oak and sycamore woodlands an chaparral-covered slopes.

Twenty-five-mile Malibu Creek in the park is the principal water-course of the Santa Monica Mountains - from Boney Mountain to Malibu Lagoon.

The park was the center of Chumash Native American life for centuries and was once used to film numerous movies and TV shows, such as Planet of the Apes and M*A*S*H.

Location-Directions
The park is located four miles south of Highway 101 on Las Virgenes/Malibu Canyon Road.
Latitude/Longitude: 34.1033 / -118.7331


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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:01 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

In a message dated 10/5/02 7:33:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

No, Rory, I am ignorant of this.  Has the quality of my life improved now I know?  No.

Michael

Dude!  You've never seen 1956's INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS?!!!  Don't knock it, you owe it to yourself to see EVERYTHING.


Okay, here's my list of the ESSENTIAL SF (or Sci-Fi) films you MUST SEE if you're going to play with the big boys.  Please try to see all of these before you hit 40.

1. Metropolis (1926)
2. Frankenstein (1931)
3. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1932)
4. The Island of Lost Souls (1932)
5. The Invisible Man (1933)
6. Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
7. Flash Gordon (1936)
8. Things to Come (1936)
9. The Man Who Could Work Miracles (1936)
10. Destination Moon (1950)
11. The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
12. The Man in the White Suit (1951)
13. The Thing (1951)
14. The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (1953)
15. War of the Worlds (1953)
16. The Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954)
17. 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954)
18. This Island Earth (1955)
19. Forbidden Planet (1956)
20. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
21. The Incredible Shrinking Man (1957)
22. The Fly (1958)
23. Journey to the Center of the Earth (1959)
24. On the Beach (1959)
25. The Time Machine (1960)
26. Village of the Damned (1960)
27. The Birds (1963)
28. Dr. Strangelove (1964)
29. Fantastic Voyage (1966)
30. Seconds (1966)
31. The President's Analyst (1967)
32. Quatermass and the Pit (1967)
33. Planet of the Apes (1968)
34. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
35. Colossus - The Forbin Project (1970)
36. The Andromedia Strain (1971)
37. A Clockwork Orange (1971)
38. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
39. Star Wars (1977)
40. Alien (1979)
41. Mad Max 2 (1981)
42. Blade Runner (1982)
43. E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
44. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982)
45. The Terminator (1984)

Now some of these movies I don't even like that much, especially the later ones, but I've included them because of their influence.  You'll notice that I stopped at 1984 because I can't really think of any SF film since then that's been truly original and significant.  We're in a period now were everything  SF seems to be either derivative, a sequel, or a remake.  Also, it takes some time to pass until you know whether a film holds up.

Please feel free to argue with this list or suggest either the exclusion or inclusion of other films.

Also, I've seen every one of these movies.  Could you please tell me what on my list you've seen?  Let's find out how SF movie literate most of this crowd is.

-- Rory 
    

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:32 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Kassidy's site

Click here: index

Oh, sorry Kassidy.  It seems like I do have your site among my 'favorites,' but it's called 'index' for some reason.  I've retitled it.  Great site, by the way, and where did you find this fantastic picture?


-- Rory

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 I've been around, Rory, reading the posts like normal.  I gather you don't like horror, but I love it when it's more about atmosphere and not gore.  I loved the book and tv adaptation of "The Stand" (it had Gary Sinese and Molly Ringwald). 

 The series website is on links here in the group, but the addy is http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com.  Mr. Cougar has helped by sending me an email to try and straighten me out on the collectibles, which I have saved but not done, AND I'm not finished with the site yet, but there's a lot of junk to look at.

A horror movie I still love is "The Body Snatcher" with good old Boris AND Bela.

Kass

> Looks like a good site. I never saw it before (I thought you

>
>Hm, guess I should look at the most current messages before replying

> Looks like a good site. I never saw it before (I thought you

>
>Hm, guess I should look at the most current messages before replying

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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:45 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Malibu Creek

In a message dated 10/6/02 1:07:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Yes, I've been there with Brazil's Luiz Adami in ape makeup and Bill Blake. The High Potentate has spoken. - - - Jeff

Only once?
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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:47 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

In a message dated 10/6/02 1:15:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

   "The Fly" remake has held up, sir, and that was after 1984. Harlan Ellison said that and "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" (1978) are excellent remakes. HARLAN ELLISON, son. - - - Jeff

Yeah, okay, but I don't think those remakes are essential viewing in order to be literate in the language of SF film.  That's the point of my list.

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 11:13 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] my website, etc


> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Looks like a good site. I never saw it before (I thought you
> worked on Mez' site). So Kass, what do you think about Fox trying to
> shut down that site? They specialize in shutting down TV show sites,
> you know. - - - Goob
> >
> >Hm, guess I should look at the most current messages before replying
> to the digests, huh? It's called index, Rory, because I am one
> inexperienced webmistress (no comments, please) and that's the first
> site I've ever tried to do. I have much to learn. I'll fix it and
> other crap later on. I do love my website because its like my own
> personal playground (again, no comments).
>
> GOOB! I think it sucks that they are trying to shut down pota
> websites ran by fans. Why shut down somebody who loves what Fox has
> produced and garners free publicity to boot? I need to look over
> that particular site some more and try and figure out why (based on
> their "reasoned arguments" as to certain violations they feel are big
> no-nos)they feel this particular website should be shut down before I
> say anything else.
>
> But right off the top of the head my feeling is that IT SUCKS.
>
> However, didn't someone here say the site owner asked for money? I
> don't really care for that gambit, I gotta say.
> Kass
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Dream on you poor, delusional soul.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/5/02 7:33:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
>
> > No, Rory, I am ignorant of this. Has the quality of my life
improved now I
> > know? No.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
> Dude! You've never seen 1956's INVASION OF THE BODY
SNATCHERS?!!! Don't
> knock it, you owe it to yourself to see EVERYTHING.
> [Unable to display image]
>
> Okay, here's my list of the ESSENTIAL SF (or Sci-Fi) films you
MUST SEE if
> you're going to play with the big boys. Please try to see all of
these
> before you hit 40.
>
> 1. Metropolis (1926)
> 2. Frankenstein (1931)
> 3. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1932)
> 4. The Island of Lost Souls (1932)
> 5. The Invisible Man (1933)
> 6. Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
> 7. Flash Gordon (1936)
> 8. Things to Come (1936)
> 9. The Man Who Could Work Miracles (1936)
> 10. Destination Moon (1950)
> 11. The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
> 12. The Man in the White Suit (1951)
> 13. The Thing (1951)
> 14. The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (1953)
> 15. War of the Worlds (1953)
> 16. The Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954)
> 17. 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954)
> 18. This Island Earth (1955)
> 19. Forbidden Planet (1956)
> 20. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
> 21. The Incredible Shrinking Man (1957)
> 22. The Fly (1958)
> 23. Journey to the Center of the Earth (1959)
> 24. On the Beach (1959)
> 25. The Time Machine (1960)
> 26. Village of the Damned (1960)
> 27. The Birds (1963)
> 28. Dr. Strangelove (1964)
> 29. Fantastic Voyage (1966)
> 30. Seconds (1966)
> 31. The President's Analyst (1967)
> 32. Quatermass and the Pit (1967)
> 33. Planet of the Apes (1968)
> 34. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
> 35. Colossus - The Forbin Project (1970)
> 36. The Andromedia Strain (1971)
> 37. A Clockwork Orange (1971)
> 38. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
> 39. Star Wars (1977)
> 40. Alien (1979)
> 41. Mad Max 2 (1981)
> 42. Blade Runner (1982)
> 43. E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
> 44. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982)
> 45. The Terminator (1984)
>
> Now some of these movies I don't even like that much, especially
the later
> ones, but I've included them because of their influence. You'll
notice that
> I stopped at 1984 because I can't really think of any SF film
since then
> that's been truly original and significant. We're in a period now
were
> everything SF seems to be either derivative, a sequel, or a
remake. Also,
> it takes some time to pass until you know whether a film holds up.
>
> Please feel free to argue with this list or suggest either the
exclusion or
> inclusion of other films.
>
> Also, I've seen every one of these movies. Could you please tell
me what on
> my list you've seen? Let's find out how SF movie literate most of
this crowd
> is.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> No, he doesn't ask for money. I agree with what Dan said, it may
be the
> title. When I first heard www.planetoftheapesonline.com I thought
it was
> official. I thought, that's smart, they are combining the old and
new to
> build a fan base instead of just promote the new one. I should
have known
> better. Fox smart? Maybe it's the title, maybe they don't
acknowledge Fox,
> maybe it's the first stop on a new campaign. It just seems the
studios are
> cracking down. There's a post at the website that Paramount is
coming down
> on "Star Trek" websites. "Star Trek"! There would be no
lucrative "Star
> Trek" movies and shows if the fans hadn't pumped up the volume in
the '70's.
> But again I say, why is Fox picking on them now? Not when the
movie came out
> but now. - - - Jeff

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/6/02 3:14:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
>
> > I've been there twice, both with Bill Blake. He knows the
place well. We
> > found where the Ape City arena had been bulldozed and dug up
pieces of it.
> > I have an actual piece of Ape City. It's like a moon rock to me.
The High
> > Potentate has spoken. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
>
> Now that makes me jealous. Go back out there, Jeff ol' buddy, and
get me a
> piece -- of Ape City that is. I'll pay ya!
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> What is the quality like and in what speed is your tape recorded?

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> I would say VILLAGE OF THE DAMED is very much SF. The kids are
the created
> by aliens from space. THE BIRDS I've explained in another post,
but I'll add
> that if I add to come up with an explanation of why the birds act
the way
> they do in the movie, mine would be a scientific explanation and
that's
> enough for me to call THE BIRDS SF.
>
> I was thinking of adding a James Bond movie to represent the
entire Bond
> series (My pick would be GOLDFINGER.), but I decided not to
because those
> films, to me, are more concerned with being socio-political satire
than SF,
> but if you insist throw in GOLDFINGER. My favorite is YOU ONLY
LIVE TWICE,
> it's very Sci-Fi-ish, but ridiculous.
>
> -- Rory

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: my website, etc


> Paramount comes down on Fan Sites every couple of years threatening
> to shut them down for using copyrighted materials. Usually they just
> require the site to register with them and carry links to
> Paramounts "official" sites. Hopelully, FOX is trying to do the same
> thing.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > No, he doesn't ask for money. I agree with what Dan said, it may
> be the
> > title. When I first heard www.planetoftheapesonline.com I thought
> it was
> > official. I thought, that's smart, they are combining the old and
> new to
> > build a fan base instead of just promote the new one. I should
> have known
> > better. Fox smart? Maybe it's the title, maybe they don't
> acknowledge Fox,
> > maybe it's the first stop on a new campaign. It just seems the
> studios are
> > cracking down. There's a post at the website that Paramount is
> coming down
> > on "Star Trek" websites. "Star Trek"! There would be no
> lucrative "Star
> > Trek" movies and shows if the fans hadn't pumped up the volume in
> the '70's.
> > But again I say, why is Fox picking on them now? Not when the
> movie came out
> > but now. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 12:35 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

In a message dated 10/6/02 3:33:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

What language would that be? When they do retrospectives of science-fiction it gets brought up as one of the modern classics. There's a book, I'll have to find the title, that analyzes 5 or 6 sci-fi films and the "Fly" remake is one of them. In college, I took a science fiction class and that film was one of like 10 that were shown in class. I still have the notes. - - Jeff

You went to college and you still write "alot"?  Oh, excuse me, O High Potentate.  I don't mean to offend.  Okay, put the remake of THE FLY on my list.  Might as well add the remake on THE THING.

Happy now?

-- Rory

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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 1:45 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Q&A with Patrick

The ENTERPRISE isn't designed to land in its entirety: the
"saucer-section" CAN separate and land on landing legs (they're in the
official blueprints), but the complete ship (secondary hull & engine
nacelles and all) would be in a heap of trouble if they tried to land it,

The entire enterprise DID land.  In an episode of Voyager. Or was that ship called Voyager?  I think it was an Enterprise.  Or are you talking about Enterprise NCC-1701 A or something like that

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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 12:16 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Malibu Creek

In a message dated 10/6/02 3:14:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  I've been there twice, both with Bill Blake. He knows the place well. We found where the Ape City arena had been bulldozed and dug up pieces of it. I have an actual piece of Ape City. It's like a moon rock to me. The High Potentate has spoken. - - - Jeff

Now that makes me jealous.  Go back out there, Jeff ol' buddy, and get me a piece -- of Ape City that is.  I'll pay ya!

-- Rory
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From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 0:39
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

In a message dated 10/6/02 8:39:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

No Dr. Who?  Tsk tsk.

I consider Dr. Who part of SF TV, and that's a different thing than SF cinema.  I'm just talkin' movies here.

Westworld...now is that sci-fi?

You do have a bad memory for movies, Mike.  That film would be "QUARTERMASS AND THE PIT" (1967) which is on my list.  I have the DVD.

> But, let's "agree to disagree" on this one, Rory... even "vehemently", if

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 3:04
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Map Closure Topic 1 - Where?
>
>
> That's some job you have there, Whitty. You can play on the
> computer, have
> sex. Where do I apply? - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 3:32 AM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Map Closure Topic 1 - Where?
>
>
> > Hey, James is having sex.
> >
> > I might just go and do the same.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 19:41
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Map Closure Topic 1 - Where?
> > >
> > >
> > > Not drunk, Lucky:-)
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > > I don't know. Where's James? Out getting drunk on a Friday night?
> > > > We won't see Patrick until morning. About eight hours from now.
> > > Good ol'
> > > > Pat is a creature of habit.
> > > >
> > > > -- Rory
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kidro85@... [kidro85@...]
> Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 8:07
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons
>

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 8:29
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Malibu Creek

  I'd never find it without Bill's expertise and right now he's otherwise occupied. It's close to the Zuma Beach location (cave/Statue) of POTA, the Motion Picture home where John Chambers lived (and now the caesar statue resides) and Century City. It's the POTA whistle stop tour. - - - Jeff

 

 

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 12:16 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Malibu Creek

In a message dated 10/6/02 3:14:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  I've been there twice, both with Bill Blake. He knows the place well. We found where the Ape City arena had been bulldozed and dug up pieces of it. I have an actual piece of Ape City. It's like a moon rock to me. The High Potentate has spoken. - - - Jeff

Now that makes me jealous.  Go back out there, Jeff ol' buddy, and get me a piece -- of Ape City that is.  I'll pay ya!

-- Rory
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From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 9:47
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Kassidy's site

In a message dated 10/6/02 11:32:19 AM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Click here: index

Oh, sorry Kassidy.  It seems like I do have your site among my 'favorites,' but it's called 'index' for some reason.  I've retitled it.  

Yeah, I was the one that sent you that link, remember... It really is a pretty cool sight...
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--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I seriously think this group should organise a weekend there.
>
> Then we could argue face to face, and I can almost guarantee I'm
bigger than
> any of you!
>
> Jeff, could you invite Bill and Natalie?
>
> Michael

> Hey, some of those "collectibles" pictures look familiar!!!
>
> Michael
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 4:59 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Malibu Creek

I seriously think this group should organise a weekend there.

 

Then we could argue face to face, and I can almost guarantee I'm bigger than any of you!

 

Jeff, could you invite Bill and Natalie?

 

Michael

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From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 8:29
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Malibu Creek

  I'd never find it without Bill's expertise and right now he's otherwise occupied. It's close to the Zuma Beach location (cave/Statue) of POTA, the Motion Picture home where John Chambers lived (and now the caesar statue resides) and Century City. It's the POTA whistle stop tour. - - - Jeff

 

 

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From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 12:16 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Malibu Creek

In a message dated 10/6/02 3:14:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  I've been there twice, both with Bill Blake. He knows the place well. We found where the Ape City arena had been bulldozed and dug up pieces of it. I have an actual piece of Ape City. It's like a moon rock to me. The High Potentate has spoken. - - - Jeff

Now that makes me jealous.  Go back out there, Jeff ol' buddy, and get me a piece -- of Ape City that is.  I'll pay ya!

-- Rory
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From: "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...>
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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 7:05 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Check out Kassidy's site


> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Hey, some of those "collectibles" pictures look familiar!!!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> Well, sue my ass and shut me down ;) oh wait, get behind Fox
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> PS Rory you asked me where I'd got that pota shot with the
> helicopter? I got it off a yahoo sci-fi group. Don't tell me, you
> happened to be on location when they were filming and it's really
> YOUR SHOT (what were you then, 5 years old?) ...well, sue my ass
> and shut me down...
> Oh, wait, get behind Michael.
> Kassidy
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From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 8:20 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Language gene

In a message dated 10/6/02 6:40:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  I wonder if, from a POTA point of view, this gene could be used to develop articulate apes down the line? If only Patrick were here! God, please send Patrick here so he can tell us about this. - - - Jeff

Oh God, I'm beginning to dread Patrick's opinions again.  He's all wrong about the humans in PLANET and BENEATH.  Anyway, more than the brain would have to be changed in apes in order to have them speak.  They don't have the larynx for it, or something.

-- Rory

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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 8:48 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

In a message dated 10/6/02 8:01:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I think he will be a lot happier with T3.

Michael

Man, with the way movies have been going over the last few years, it'll probably suck.

Oh, BTW, both of the two DVD copies of THE ONE were out at my closest Blockbuster, so was about three dozen THE SCORPION KINGs, so I rented this thing called MULHOLLAND DRIVE.  I've only watched a half-hour of it, though.  Kind of boring, but it's supposed to be good.

-- Rory
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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 8:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Malibu Creek

In a message dated 10/6/02 8:36:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I seriously think this group should organise a weekend there.

Then we could argue face to face, and I can almost guarantee I'm bigger than any of you!

Jeff, could you invite Bill and Natalie?

Michael

It would be nice, and I got first dibs on drowning Patrick in the rock pool.

-- Rory
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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 3:18 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Language gene

  I don't remember if this came up, but I was going through some old newspapers and found an article credited to the New York Times (published in the O. C. Register Aug. 16 2002). It says that last year a team of molecular biologists at the University of Oxford identified a language gene (ironically, dubbed FOXP2). It was found during a study of a London family, 14 of the 29 members aren't capable of articulate speech. The gene was identified and "is known to switch on other genes during the development of the brain". The gene remained largely unaltered during the evolution of mammals but suddenly changed in humans after the hominid line had split from the chimps. The human form of the gene seems to have become universal in the human population, suggesting that it conferred some overwhelming benefit. They say language developed about 100,000 years ago, a relatively short time ago.

  I wonder if, from a POTA point of view, this gene could be used to develop articulate apes down the line? If only Patrick were here! God, please send Patrick here so he can tell us about this. - - - Jeff

 

 

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From: LordTZer0@...

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Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 1:45 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Q&A with Patrick

The ENTERPRISE isn't designed to land in its entirety: the
"saucer-section" CAN separate and land on landing legs (they're in the
official blueprints), but the complete ship (secondary hull & engine
nacelles and all) would be in a heap of trouble if they tried to land it,

The entire enterprise DID land.  In an episode of Voyager. Or was that ship called Voyager?  I think it was an Enterprise.  Or are you talking about Enterprise NCC-1701 A or something like that
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kassidy Rae [valwp@...]
> Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 12:06
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Check out Kassidy's site
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Hey, some of those "collectibles" pictures look familiar!!!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> Well, sue my ass and shut me down ;) oh wait, get behind Fox
>
> PS Rory you asked me where I'd got that pota shot with the
> helicopter? I got it off a yahoo sci-fi group. Don't tell me, you
> happened to be on location when they were filming and it's really
> YOUR SHOT (what were you then, 5 years old?) ...well, sue my ass
> and shut me down...
> Oh, wait, get behind Michael.
> Kassidy
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> From: kidro85@... [kidro85@...]
> Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 13:27
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons
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> I agree cant complain about anything free, But where did Mr. Alex
> disappear
> to? The Forbidden zone? Will the free DVD ever show up? Time will tell I
> guess.
> T
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From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 13:28
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

I think "Quartermass and the Pit" has a different release name in Australia.  Anyone know?

Well, of course, I do.  It is also known as FIVE MILLION YEARS TO EARTH.  I have the DVD.  Can you play region 1 DVDs, Michael?  I also have INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS.

  This is a movie I really enjoyed in my mid teens.  I vidoe taped it (on Beta!!) as

part of a sci-fi marathon and it cut out the last 10 minutes!  So another 15 years passed before I finally caught the end on a late night movie.  I'm glad I lived to see the end of it.

Michael

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From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 13:44
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

In a message dated 10/6/02 7:55:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

We Aussies are a bit limited in what we have access to.

The first episode of the Twilight Zone I saw was in June 1983, when I lived in the US for a year.

I would have paid for the apes VHS tapes, but we got Beneath in 1981 (and I paid $50 for it), then nothing till 1993.

Anyhoo, I hope you are not thinking that I am not equipped to discuss sci-fi because I have not seen a couple of the movies on your list.  I will try to get my hands on Body Snatchers and I would love to have the time and resources to study the progress of Sci Fi movies (when I decide to collect a band, a director, and actor etc I always try to get EVERYTHING there is out there and go in chronological order).  Until then, please enjoy my humble opinion.

Oh, and why don't you just tape Body Snatchers for me - I'm sure it is on 4 times a week in the US!!!

Michael

Actually it's not quite shown that often.  As for you Aussies being limited in what you have access to, are we Americans to feel guilty that we have so much?  The last time I checked Australia was a democracy, so tell your politicians what you want and if they don't get it for you kick the bastards out and put in new ones.  Also, aren't there any dudes in Aussieland out to make some money by bring more stuff to the country?  I don't get it.

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 13:48
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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

In a message dated 10/6/02 8:01:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I think he will be a lot happier with T3.

Michael

Man, with the way movies have been going over the last few years, it'll probably suck.

Oh, BTW, both of the two DVD copies of THE ONE were out at my closest Blockbuster, so was about three dozen THE SCORPION KINGs, so I rented this thing called MULHOLLAND DRIVE.  I've only watched a half-hour of it, though.  Kind of boring, but it's supposed to be good.

-- Rory
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Whitty [whitty@...]
Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 19:09
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

We have guns, just have to register them and justify their calibre (like you can't take nuclear warheads for kangaroo hunting).

 

Stop talking about my testicles!

 

Michael

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From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 18:32
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

The last time I checked Australia was a democracy, so tell your politicians what you want and if they don't get it for you kick the bastards out and put in new ones.

Yeah, but their politicians took all their guns away, so they aren't afraid of them anymore.
You know what that means.  Emasculation, to begin with.  Then experimental surgery on the speech centers.  On the brain.  Ultimately a kind of living death.

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--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Oh God, I'm beginning to dread Patrick's opinions again.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> It would be nice, and I got first dibs on drowning Patrick in the
rock pool.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> We have guns, just have to register them and justify their calibre
(like you
> can't take nuclear warheads for kangaroo hunting).
>
> Stop talking about my testicles!
>
> Michael