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Yahoo! pota group — Messages 22913–23012

Dates: 2002-10-07 through 2002-10-08

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Group: pota	Message: 22913	From: MTotsky@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

Group: pota	Message: 22914	From: MTotsky@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

Group: pota	Message: 22915	From: thypentacle	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

Group: pota	Message: 22916	From: thypentacle	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Test...

Group: pota	Message: 22917	From: MTotsky@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kass and horror movies

Group: pota	Message: 22918	From: MTotsky@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

Group: pota	Message: 22919	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

Group: pota	Message: 22920	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

Group: pota	Message: 22921	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kass and horror movies

Group: pota	Message: 22922	From: thypentacle	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

Group: pota	Message: 22923	From: james611102	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Language gene

Group: pota	Message: 22924	From: james611102	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22925	From: james611102	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22926	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22927	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

Group: pota	Message: 22928	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

Group: pota	Message: 22929	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

Group: pota	Message: 22930	From: james611102	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22931	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22932	From: Richard Cisak Jr.	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

Group: pota	Message: 22933	From: Richard Cisak Jr.	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

Group: pota	Message: 22934	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22935	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

Group: pota	Message: 22936	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Rip Off!!!

Group: pota	Message: 22937	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

Group: pota	Message: 22938	From: james611102	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

Group: pota	Message: 22939	From: apefan23@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] more pics

Group: pota	Message: 22940	From: apefan23@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] more pics

Group: pota	Message: 22941	From: apefan23@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] more pics

Group: pota	Message: 22942	From: Kassidy Rae	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: yada yada

Group: pota	Message: 22943	From: Tim Parati	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: trying a different angle

Group: pota	Message: 22944	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

Group: pota	Message: 22945	From: thypentacle	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] trying a different angle

Group: pota	Message: 22946	From: Tim Parati	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: posters

Group: pota	Message: 22947	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

Group: pota	Message: 22948	From: thypentacle	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] posters

Group: pota	Message: 22949	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22950	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

Group: pota	Message: 22951	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] yada yada

Group: pota	Message: 22952	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] yada yada

Group: pota	Message: 22953	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

Group: pota	Message: 22954	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

Group: pota	Message: 22955	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22956	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: trying a different angle

Group: pota	Message: 22957	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] yada yada

Group: pota	Message: 22958	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] posters

Group: pota	Message: 22959	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] trying a different angle

Group: pota	Message: 22960	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] yada yada

Group: pota	Message: 22961	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22962	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22963	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22964	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: First pic

Group: pota	Message: 22965	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

Group: pota	Message: 22966	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: 2nd Pic Very cool!

Group: pota	Message: 22967	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: 3rd pic

Group: pota	Message: 22968	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: 1st poster

Group: pota	Message: 22969	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: 2nd poster

Group: pota	Message: 22970	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: 3rd poster

Group: pota	Message: 22971	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22972	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22973	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] trying a different angle

Group: pota	Message: 22974	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22975	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22976	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22977	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

Group: pota	Message: 22978	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22979	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22980	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22981	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22982	From: james611102	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22983	From: Kassidy Rae	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: Yada Yada

Group: pota	Message: 22984	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22985	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22986	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

Group: pota	Message: 22987	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22988	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

Group: pota	Message: 22989	From: MTotsky@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

Group: pota	Message: 22990	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22991	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22992	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Movie news item

Group: pota	Message: 22993	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Ooops!

Group: pota	Message: 22994	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: (OT) DVDs

Group: pota	Message: 22995	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Dr. Z pic

Group: pota	Message: 22996	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: More Z

Group: pota	Message: 22997	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Maurice!

Group: pota	Message: 22998	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 22999	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 23000	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Catching up

Group: pota	Message: 23001	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Planet of the Apes "Remastered" Pt 1

Group: pota	Message: 23002	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Planet of the Apes "Remastered" Pt 2

Group: pota	Message: 23003	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Planet of the Apes "Remastered" Pt 3

Group: pota	Message: 23004	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Planet of the Apes "Remastered" Pt 4

Group: pota	Message: 23005	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Planet of the Apes "Remastered" Pt 5

Group: pota	Message: 23006	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 23007	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 23008	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 23009	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 23010	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 23011	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 23012	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Catching up

Group: pota	Message: 22913	From: MTotsky@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

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Rory wrote:

<<Now some of these movies I don't even like that much, especially the later ones, but I've included them because of their influence. You'll notice that I stopped at 1984 because I can't really think of any SF film since then that's been truly original and significant. We're in a period now were everything SF seems to be either derivative, a sequel, or a remake. Also, it takes some time to pass until you know whether a film holds up.>>

How about Aliens? 12 Monkeys? The Fifth Element? The Iron Giant?

And since when did Dr. Strangelove become a SF flick? (Love the film though).

Matt

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Group: pota	Message: 22914	From: MTotsky@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

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Poor Ted Geisel? He wrote tons of classic books that have delighted (and continue to delight) children of all ages for decades. And this is what he gets?

Matt

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Group: pota	Message: 22915	From: thypentacle	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

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I liked it. It wasn't full of action or anything, but it was a good story. Also, it didn't have a 'golly-gee everything worked out and the good guy won' hollywood ending. God I hate those. :o|

Thy

Michael Whitty wrote:

If that is the one about the terrorist next door, I thought it was lame.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 13:48
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

In a message dated 10/6/02 8:01:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

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Group: pota	Message: 22916	From: thypentacle	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Test...

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hehe, no comment :o)

LordTZer0@... wrote:

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Group: pota	Message: 22917	From: MTotsky@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kass and horror movies

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How about Silence of the Lambs? (I'm sitting here with a guy from work who says Red Dragon is just as good).

Matt

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Group: pota	Message: 22918	From: MTotsky@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

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I got free DVD from Alex, but it froze up about 20 minutes into the movie.

I appreciated his offer though. It was very generous.

Matt

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Group: pota	Message: 22919	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/7/02 1:59:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@... writes:

How about Aliens? 12 Monkeys? The Fifth Element? The Iron Giant?

And since when did Dr. Strangelove become a SF flick? (Love the film though).

Matt

I didn't include ALIENS in deference to ALIEN, and also because I did include THE TERMINATOR. ALIENS is good, but not much more than just an action picture as far as I'm concerned. 12 MONKEYS? I didn't think much of that movie, but I know some of you here do: maybe you can explain to me what's so good about it. I think THE FIFTH ELEMENT is tedious and formulaic. THE IRON GIANT I like a lot, too, however I wouldn't consider it an essential SF film, but you know, time will tell. You really need a few years to pass before you can truly see a film for what it is. I think it was the director George Stevens who said you cannot tell if a movie is really good until it's at least 25 years old.

As far as DR. STRANGELOVE is concerned, when has it never been a Science Fiction film? It deals with the end of our civilization, which, the last time I checked, hasn't happened yet, and the end comes because of something fictional called the "Doomsday Device." If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you know what?

I think it's a duck.

-- Rory <.html

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Group: pota	Message: 22920	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/7/02 2:04:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thypentacle@... writes:

I liked it. It wasn't full of action or anything, but it was a good story. Also, it didn't have a 'golly-gee everything worked out and the good guy won' hollywood ending. God I hate those. :o| Thy

Michael Whitty wrote:

If that is the one about the terrorist next door, I thought it was lame.

Michael

They're talking about the movie ARLINGTON ROAD here gang, I was talking about MULHOLLAND DRIVE.

-- Rory <.html

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Group: pota	Message: 22921	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kass and horror movies

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/7/02 2:53:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@... writes:

How about Silence of the Lambs? (I'm sitting here with a guy from work who says Red Dragon is just as good).

Matt

Not one of my favorites, but okay. I haven't seen RED DRAGON yet.

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Group: pota	Message: 22922	From: thypentacle	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

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Ah, Arlington Road, that's the one I meant. Never watched the other one. :o)

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/7/02 2:04:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thypentacle@... writes:

I liked it. It wasn't full of action or anything, but it was a good story. Also, it didn't have a 'golly-gee everything worked out and the good guy won' hollywood ending. God I hate those. :o| Thy

Michael Whitty wrote:

If that is the one about the terrorist next door, I thought it was lame.

Michael

They're talking about the movie ARLINGTON ROAD here gang, I was talking about MULHOLLAND DRIVE.

-- Rory

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Group: pota	Message: 22923	From: james611102	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Language gene

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Wow Rory agreeing with me 3 times in as many days. Hell must be
freezing over.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> I think you've got the right idea there.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> AGREED!!!

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Very much AGREE!

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Group: pota	Message: 22924	From: james611102	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)

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Good points Matt.

--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
> That's the way I always looked at it, but just because Jeff (or
whomever) says it's so, doesn't mean I'm going to. I believe what I
want to because it's more fun for me. That's why I think this whole
timeline debate is pointless and redundant. Believe what you want to
and ignore the other guy. As long as you're having fun who cares who
is right or wrong??
>
> Matt

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Group: pota	Message: 22925	From: james611102	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape ' D (OT)

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No, have you considered running for Congress and get paid for
debating the pointless and redundant.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> I don't know but I'm kind of having fun debating the pointless and
redundant.
> Is that so wrong?
>
> Rory

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Group: pota	Message: 22926	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Weapons (OT)

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You know what I mean.

A couple of years ago a guy in Tasmania went on a killing spree and
murdered something like 45 people...I don't remember the exact number
but he holds the world record for mass murder.

It became obvious that if he did not have his arsenal of automatic
weapons, he could not have caused nearly as much damage. So common
sense prevailed and laws were tightened.

I cannot go to a store and buy a handgun. I can however join a
pistol club and get a handgun, but it is then left on the premises.

I guess the big question is, why would you NEED a hand gun? Or, for
that matter, why would you NEED an AK47?

Horses for courses.

Michael

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> > (like you can't take nuclear warheads for kangaroo hunting).
>
> I dunno...I hear they can box. You could ring a bell, and then hit

them with

> a warhead between rounds.
>

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Group: pota	Message: 22927	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

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I just found it predictable.

Michael

--- thypentacle <thypentacle@...> wrote:

>
> I liked it. It wasn't full of action or anything, but it was a good

story. Also, it didn't have a 'golly-gee everything worked out and
the good guy won' hollywood ending. God I hate those. :o|

> Thy
> Michael Whitty wrote:If that is the one about the terrorist next

door, I thought it was lame. Michael-----Original Message-----

> From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
> Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 13:48
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons
>
> In a message dated 10/6/02 8:01:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

whitty@... writes:

>
>
> I think he will be a lot happier with T3.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> Man, with the way movies have been going over the last few years,

it'll probably suck.

>
> Oh, BTW, both of the two DVD copies of THE ONE were out at my

closest Blockbuster, so was about three dozen THE SCORPION KINGs, so
I rented this thing called MULHOLLAND DRIVE. I've only watched a
half-hour of it, though. Kind of boring, but it's supposed to be
good.

>
> -- Rory
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

Service.

>
>
> ---------------------------------

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Group: pota	Message: 22928	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

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He told me he tampered with yours to piss you off because you called
him a bitch...

Michael

--- MTotsky@... wrote:

> I got free DVD from Alex, but it froze up about 20 minutes into the

movie.

>
> I appreciated his offer though. It was very generous.
>
> Matt

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Group: pota	Message: 22929	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

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Is that near Easy Street?

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/7/02 2:04:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> thypentacle@... writes:
>
>
> > I liked it. It wasn't full of action or anything, but it was a

good story.

> > Also, it didn't have a 'golly-gee everything worked out and the

good guy

> > won' hollywood ending. God I hate those. :o| Thy
>
> Michael Whitty wrote:
> >
> > >> If that is the one about the terrorist next door, I thought it

was lame.

> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >
>
> They're talking about the movie ARLINGTON ROAD here gang, I was

talking about

> MULHOLLAND DRIVE.
>
> -- Rory
>

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Group: pota	Message: 22930	From: james611102	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: Weapons (OT)

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Well there is someone right now that is traveling up the east coast
shooting people. This morning he killed a 6 year old child in
Washington. However, since the gun lobby in this country has blocked
even simple gun registration the police can't track down the gun
used or the owner.

--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> You know what I mean.
>
> A couple of years ago a guy in Tasmania went on a killing spree
and
> murdered something like 45 people...I don't remember the exact
number
> but he holds the world record for mass murder.
>
> It became obvious that if he did not have his arsenal of automatic
> weapons, he could not have caused nearly as much damage. So
common
> sense prevailed and laws were tightened.
>
> I cannot go to a store and buy a handgun. I can however join a
> pistol club and get a handgun, but it is then left on the premises.
>
> I guess the big question is, why would you NEED a hand gun? Or,
for
> that matter, why would you NEED an AK47?
>
> Horses for courses.
>
> Michael
>
> --- LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > > (like you can't take nuclear warheads for kangaroo hunting).
> >
> > I dunno...I hear they can box. You could ring a bell, and then
hit
> them with
> > a warhead between rounds.
> >

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Group: pota	Message: 22931	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Weapons (OT)

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What can I say?

Michael

--- "james611102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> Well there is someone right now that is traveling up the east coast
> shooting people. This morning he killed a 6 year old child in
> Washington. However, since the gun lobby in this country has

blocked

> even simple gun registration the police can't track down the gun
> used or the owner.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > You know what I mean.
> >
> > A couple of years ago a guy in Tasmania went on a killing spree
> and
> > murdered something like 45 people...I don't remember the exact
> number
> > but he holds the world record for mass murder.
> >
> > It became obvious that if he did not have his arsenal of

automatic

> > weapons, he could not have caused nearly as much damage. So
> common
> > sense prevailed and laws were tightened.
> >
> > I cannot go to a store and buy a handgun. I can however join a
> > pistol club and get a handgun, but it is then left on the

premises.

> >
> > I guess the big question is, why would you NEED a hand gun? Or,
> for
> > that matter, why would you NEED an AK47?
> >
> > Horses for courses.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > >
> > > > (like you can't take nuclear warheads for kangaroo hunting).
> > >
> > > I dunno...I hear they can box. You could ring a bell, and then
> hit
> > them with
> > > a warhead between rounds.
> > >
>
>
> ------------------------ ---------------------

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Group: pota	Message: 22932	From: Richard Cisak Jr.	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

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From what I've heard about Mullholland Drive, your best bet is just to fast
forward to the sex scenes.

----- Original Message -----
From: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:23 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

>
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Check out Kassidy's site
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> 2. Re: Malibu Creek
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> 3. Re: Check out Kassidy's site
> From: "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...>
> 4. Re: Malibu Creek
> From: <veetus@...>
> 5. Re: Kass and horror movies
> From: Haristas@...
> 6. Re: Malibu Creek
> From: Haristas@...
> 7. Re: Ape Toons
> From: Haristas@...
> 8. Re: Re: Check out Kassidy's site
> From: <veetus@...>
> 9. Re: Language gene
> From: Haristas@...
> 10. Re: The Essential SF Films
> From: Haristas@...
> 11. Re: Language gene
> From: <veetus@...>
> 12. Re: Ape Toons
> From: kidro85@...
> 13. Re: The Essential SF Films
> From: Haristas@...
> 14. Re: The POTA Canon
> From: Haristas@...
> 15. Re: The Essential SF Films
> From: Haristas@...
> 16. Re: Ape Toons
> From: Haristas@...
> 17. Re: Malibu Creek
> From: Haristas@...
> 18. Re: Re: Check out Kassidy's site
> From: Haristas@...
> 19. Re: Language gene
> From: Haristas@...
> 20. Re: Malibu Creek
> From: Haristas@...
> 21. Re: Ape Toons
> From: <veetus@...>
> 22. Re: Malibu Creek
> From: <veetus@...>
> 23. Funny books
> From: <veetus@...>
> 24. Re: Ape Toons
> From: LordTZer0@...
> 25. Re: Kass and horror movies
> From: LordTZer0@...
>
>
> ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________

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Group: pota	Message: 22933	From: Richard Cisak Jr.	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

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Does anyone know if the mall from the 4th movie is still standing?

----- Original Message -----
From: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:23 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

>
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Check out Kassidy's site
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> 2. Re: Malibu Creek
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> 3. Re: Check out Kassidy's site
> From: "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...>
> 4. Re: Malibu Creek
> From: <veetus@...>
> 5. Re: Kass and horror movies
> From: Haristas@...
> 6. Re: Malibu Creek
> From: Haristas@...
> 7. Re: Ape Toons
> From: Haristas@...
> 8. Re: Re: Check out Kassidy's site
> From: <veetus@...>
> 9. Re: Language gene
> From: Haristas@...
> 10. Re: The Essential SF Films
> From: Haristas@...
> 11. Re: Language gene
> From: <veetus@...>
> 12. Re: Ape Toons
> From: kidro85@...
> 13. Re: The Essential SF Films
> From: Haristas@...
> 14. Re: The POTA Canon
> From: Haristas@...
> 15. Re: The Essential SF Films
> From: Haristas@...
> 16. Re: Ape Toons
> From: Haristas@...
> 17. Re: Malibu Creek
> From: Haristas@...
> 18. Re: Re: Check out Kassidy's site
> From: Haristas@...
> 19. Re: Language gene
> From: Haristas@...
> 20. Re: Malibu Creek
> From: Haristas@...
> 21. Re: Ape Toons
> From: <veetus@...>
> 22. Re: Malibu Creek
> From: <veetus@...>
> 23. Funny books
> From: <veetus@...>
> 24. Re: Ape Toons
> From: LordTZer0@...
> 25. Re: Kass and horror movies
> From: LordTZer0@...
>
>
> ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________

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Group: pota	Message: 22934	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/7/02 7:02:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I guess the big question is, why would you NEED a hand gun? Or, for
that matter, why would you NEED an AK47?

Horses for courses.

Michael

The only reason I can think to own a handgun is if you plan someday to kill yourself. Now if you live alone out in the middle of nowhere and the law is miles away, then I think it's wise to have a long gun.

-- Rory<.html

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Group: pota	Message: 22935	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ape Toons

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/7/02 7:07:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I just found it predictable.

Michael

ARLINGTON ROAD was lame. MULHOLLAND DRIVE was weeeeird!<.html

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Group: pota	Message: 22936	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Rip Off!!!

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.htmlI'm watching the second part of THE LOST WORLD right now, and they've finally gotten to the ape-men section, and guess what?

They're using parts of Goldsmith's music from PLANET!

Can you believe that?

-- Rory<.html

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Group: pota	Message: 22937	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/7/02 8:01:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

Does anyone know if the mall from the 4th movie is still standing?

Oh, yes. That's Century City were CONQUEST was shot. It used to be the Fox backlot until big-budget Fox bombs like CLEOPATRA, STAR!, HELLO DOLLY, and Jacob's DOCTOR DOLITTLE forced the studio to sell the land. But they still got some use out of it. You still see Century City every so often in movies and TV commercials. I think Jeff Krueger shops at The Gap there all the time.

-- Rory<.html

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Group: pota	Message: 22938	From: james611102	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

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If you're refering to the Century City shopping center it's still
there. But is looks very different. It's not so stark. There are
more plants and decorations.

--- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> Does anyone know if the mall from the 4th movie is still standing?

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Group: pota	Message: 22939	From: apefan23@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] more pics

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here are a few pics I found...I'm going to send them seperately so some of
you won't just delete the whole thing! Rory, I'd appreciate it if you can
send them on to everybody for me...how do you do that by the way? can
everyone see the pics in Rory's messages?

Tim

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Group: pota	Message: 22940	From: apefan23@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] more pics

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Attachments :

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Group: pota	Message: 22941	From: apefan23@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] more pics

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Attachments :

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Group: pota	Message: 22942	From: Kassidy Rae	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: yada yada

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Good site, Kass. You're the hostess with the mostess. So there's really
a

> website about men under water, huh? Maybe I should shut that down. I've

been

> underwater. So what got you interested in the TV show? - - - Jeff

Hey Goob,

The thing that got me interested in the tv show was probably the same thing that captured most of our imaginations: the first scene in the cornfield in the POTA movie. After that, I was ape happy. Plus when I was a little older I liked the butt shots.

When the tv show came on I loved it MORE than the movies. I don't know why (Rory, put down the cross) but that's the way it was and that's the way it is. I loved Galen and those astronauts. (There again, the skin shots didn't hurt my feelings any, either). But I love all things ape. Period. I even own that POTA 2001 dvd that we all know is a different animal entirely.

One more thing, re: Silence of the Lambs -- the book was SO much better.

The Mostest Hostess

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Group: pota	Message: 22943	From: Tim Parati	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: trying a different angle

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Attachments :

This is a test...to see if when I post pics from yahoo
address they get to everyone sans that damned MIME
message.....can everybody see this?

Tim

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Group: pota	Message: 22944	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

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Attachments :

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I wonder if Rick Baker is doing that. I heard he bolted. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:37 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

Hey, you know what this is a picture of?

It's a very low res pic of Mike Myers in makeup (and some little girl) for the CAT IN THE HAT movie. Oh boy, do I smell another HOW THE GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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Group: pota	Message: 22945	From: thypentacle	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] trying a different angle

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I see it. :o)

Tim Parati wrote:

This is a test...to see if when I post pics from yahoo address they get to everyone sans that damned MIME message.....can everybody see this? Tim Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

> ATTACHMENT part 2 image/jpeg name=i-1 3.JPG

Do you Yahoo!?

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Group: pota	Message: 22946	From: Tim Parati	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: posters

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Attachments :

all right! how about this?

These are posters from ebay....i think the conquest
and planet are Yugoslavian...the beneath is German (I
won that one)

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Group: pota	Message: 22947	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

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I think "Dr. Strangelove" could be catalogued as a comedy, but I tend to think of it, "2001" and "Clockwork" as Kubrick's sci-fi trilogy. It's not really a ha-ha comedy or a drama. Sci-fi it is. I don't consider any of the "Alien" films definitive. "Terminator" 1 is. I don't think there's any film that has influenced sci-fi movies more in the last 20 years, not least of all because it put Cameron on the map. "12 Monkeys" is an Eric Greene fave, he could probably give you an arguement why it's definitive. Didn't see "The Fifth Element", it looked like crap. "Iron Giant" a good flick but I wouldn't consider it definitive. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 12:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

In a message dated 10/7/02 1:59:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@... writes:

How about Aliens? 12 Monkeys? The Fifth Element? The Iron Giant?

And since when did Dr. Strangelove become a SF flick? (Love the film though).

Matt

I didn't include ALIENS in deference to ALIEN, and also because I did include THE TERMINATOR. ALIENS is good, but not much more than just an action picture as far as I'm concerned. 12 MONKEYS? I didn't think much of that movie, but I know some of you here do: maybe you can explain to me what's so good about it. I think THE FIFTH ELEMENT is tedious and formulaic. THE IRON GIANT I like a lot, too, however I wouldn't consider it an essential SF film, but you know, time will tell. You really need a few years to pass before you can truly see a film for what it is. I think it was the director George Stevens who said you cannot tell if a movie is really good until it's at least 25 years old.

As far as DR. STRANGELOVE is concerned, when has it never been a Science Fiction film? It deals with the end of our civilization, which, the last time I checked, hasn't happened yet, and the end comes because of something fictional called the "Doomsday Device." If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you know what?

I think it's a duck.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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Group: pota	Message: 22948	From: thypentacle	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] posters

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Those are nice. They showed up fine here. :o)

Tim Parati wrote:

all right! how about this? These are posters from ebay....i think the conquest and planet are Yugoslavian...the beneath is German (I won that one) Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

> ATTACHMENT part 2 image/jpeg name=756h.jpg > ATTACHMENT part 3 image/jpeg name=14123175.jpg > ATTACHMENT part 4 image/jpeg name=apes_rueck_.jpg

Do you Yahoo!?

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Group: pota	Message: 22949	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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Alright, so here's the question: do criminals still have guns? Are there
still violent deaths by guns there? That's the arguement here, that banning
guns would only keep them away from honest citizens. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:00 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

> You know what I mean.
>
> A couple of years ago a guy in Tasmania went on a killing spree and
> murdered something like 45 people...I don't remember the exact number
> but he holds the world record for mass murder.
>
> It became obvious that if he did not have his arsenal of automatic
> weapons, he could not have caused nearly as much damage. So common
> sense prevailed and laws were tightened.
>
> I cannot go to a store and buy a handgun. I can however join a
> pistol club and get a handgun, but it is then left on the premises.
>
> I guess the big question is, why would you NEED a hand gun? Or, for
> that matter, why would you NEED an AK47?
>
> Horses for courses.
>
> Michael
>
> --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
> >
> > > (like you can't take nuclear warheads for kangaroo hunting).
> >
> > I dunno...I hear they can box. You could ring a bell, and then hit
> them with
> > a warhead between rounds.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: pota	Message: 22950	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

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You mean Century City? It's still there, bridge and all. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351

> Does anyone know if the mall from the 4th movie is still standing?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:23 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1351
>
>
> >
> > There are 25 messages in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. Check out Kassidy's site
> > From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> > 2. Re: Malibu Creek
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> > 3. Re: Check out Kassidy's site
> > From: "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...>
> > 4. Re: Malibu Creek
> > From: <veetus@...>
> > 5. Re: Kass and horror movies
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 6. Re: Malibu Creek
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 7. Re: Ape Toons
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 8. Re: Re: Check out Kassidy's site
> > From: <veetus@...>
> > 9. Re: Language gene
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 10. Re: The Essential SF Films
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 11. Re: Language gene
> > From: <veetus@...>
> > 12. Re: Ape Toons
> > From: kidro85@...
> > 13. Re: The Essential SF Films
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 14. Re: The POTA Canon
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 15. Re: The Essential SF Films
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 16. Re: Ape Toons
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 17. Re: Malibu Creek
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 18. Re: Re: Check out Kassidy's site
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 19. Re: Language gene
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 20. Re: Malibu Creek
> > From: Haristas@...
> > 21. Re: Ape Toons
> > From: <veetus@...>
> > 22. Re: Malibu Creek
> > From: <veetus@...>
> > 23. Funny books
> > From: <veetus@...>
> > 24. Re: Ape Toons
> > From: LordTZer0@...
> > 25. Re: Kass and horror movies
> > From: LordTZer0@...
> >
> >
> > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________ > > ____________

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Group: pota	Message: 22951	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] yada yada

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When I go back to the show it always catches me off guard because I'm used to people knocking it. But there were some really good stories and some good scenes in there. They could've had something it had time to develop. And yes, the shirtless scenes are always a turn-on. - - - Jeff, er, Goob

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 7:07 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] yada yada

Good site, Kass. You're the hostess with the mostess. So there's really
a
> website about men under water, huh? Maybe I should shut that down. I've
been
> underwater. So what got you interested in the TV show? - - - Jeff

Hey Goob,

The thing that got me interested in the tv show was probably the same thing that captured most of our imaginations: the first scene in the cornfield in the POTA movie. After that, I was ape happy. Plus when I was a little older I liked the butt shots.

When the tv show came on I loved it MORE than the movies. I don't know why (Rory, put down the cross) but that's the way it was and that's the way it is. I loved Galen and those astronauts. (There again, the skin shots didn't hurt my feelings any, either). But I love all things ape. Period. I even own that POTA 2001 dvd that we all know is a different animal entirely.

One more thing, re: Silence of the Lambs -- the book was SO much better.

The Mostest Hostess

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Group: pota	Message: 22952	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] yada yada

.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/7/02 10:09:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, valwp@... writes:

The thing that got me interested in the tv show was probably the same thing that captured most of our imaginations: the first scene in the cornfield in the POTA movie. After that, I was ape happy. Plus when I was a little older I liked the butt shots.

When the tv show came on I loved it MORE than the movies. I don't know why (Rory, put down the cross) but that's the way it was and that's the way it is. I loved Galen and those astronauts. (There again, the skin shots didn't hurt my feelings any, either). But I love all things ape. Period. I even own that POTA 2001 dvd that we all know is a different animal entirely.

Hey, I'm always glad somebody loves the TV show, otherwise I'd feel sorry for it, and I own the DVD to POTA 2001 too, so go figure.

Kass, when did you first see PLANET and how old were you? How old were you when you saw the TV show. I was eight when I first saw PLANET. I have a theory that the movies or TV shows that we see between the ages of five and twelve or so, and make the strongest impression, remain favorites forever because of how they captured our imaginations.

-- Rory<.html

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Group: pota	Message: 22953	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/7/02 10:52:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

I wonder if Rick Baker is doing that. I heard he bolted. - - - Jeff

No, it wasn't him. The credits are on IMDb.com.<.html

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Group: pota	Message: 22954	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/7/02 11:02:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

I think "Dr. Strangelove" could be catalogued as a comedy, but I tend to think of it, "2001" and "Clockwork" as Kubrick's sci-fi trilogy. It's not really a ha-ha comedy or a drama. Sci-fi it is. I don't consider any of the "Alien" films definitive. "Terminator" 1 is. I don't think there's any film that has influenced sci-fi movies more in the last 20 years, not least of all because it put Cameron on the map. "12 Monkeys" is an Eric Greene fave, he could probably give you an arguement why it's definitive. Didn't see "The Fifth Element", it looked like crap. "Iron Giant" a good flick but I wouldn't consider it definitive. - - - Jeff

I included ALIEN because it's production design has been influential and the movie remains popular and spawned a franchise, however it's not one of my favorites -- except for Jerry Goldsmith's score.

12 MONKEYS I saw when it came out and for me it was quickly forgotten.

-- Rory<.html

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Group: pota	Message: 22955	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/7/02 11:05:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Alright, so here's the question: do criminals still have guns? Are there
still violent deaths by guns there? That's the arguement here, that banning
guns would only keep them away from honest citizens. - - - Jeff

I'm not for banning guns, but I am for regulating them much as we do with ownership of cars. The right to bear arms, like the right to free speech, isn't absolute, therefore if a majority of the voting public what something heavily regulated, that's that.

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Group: pota	Message: 22956	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: trying a different angle

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I could open this but not the others.

--- Tim Parati <apefan23@...> wrote:

> This is a test...to see if when I post pics from yahoo
> address they get to everyone sans that damned MIME
> message.....can everybody see this?
>
> Tim

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Group: pota	Message: 22957	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] yada yada

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/7/02 11:17:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

And yes, the shirtless scenes are always a turn-on. - - - Jeff, er, Goob

Mmmmmmmmmmmm. O High Potentate. . . . you. . . .? Oh never mind!

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Group: pota	Message: 22958	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] posters

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Got these too

--- Tim Parati <apefan23@...> wrote:

> all right! how about this?
>
> These are posters from ebay....i think the conquest
> and planet are Yugoslavian...the beneath is German (I
> won that one)
>

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Group: pota	Message: 22959	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] trying a different angle

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/8/02 12:01:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I could open this but not the others.

HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY!!!! I'm about to dive into the archives are retrive all this stuff. Stay tuned.<.html

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Group: pota	Message: 22960	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] yada yada

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Oh, he,he...I meant that with their shirts off it's more reminiscent of the original, where the humans didn't have shirts. It's more aesthetically pleasing. Right, Kass? - - - Goob, er, Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:02 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] yada yada

In a message dated 10/7/02 11:17:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

And yes, the shirtless scenes are always a turn-on. - - - Jeff, er, Goob

Mmmmmmmmmmmm. O High Potentate. . . . you. . . .? Oh never mind!

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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Group: pota	Message: 22961	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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Look at the statistics Jeff.

US violent crime (involving firearms) is about 20 000 to one on us
here. Our population is 15 million, so if the poulation of the US is
300 Billion then we are about square!

UK has even less violent crime per capita.

The evidence is there - tighter controls means it is HARDER for
people to use firearms. You rule out the rash decision to pick up a
weapon that can do a lot of damage.

But people like Chuck stamp their feet and say "I want my gun". So
they get their gun.

Michael

--- <veetus@...> wrote:

> Alright, so here's the question: do criminals still have guns?

Are there

> still violent deaths by guns there? That's the arguement here, that

banning

> guns would only keep them away from honest citizens. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:00 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)
>
>
> > You know what I mean.
> >
> > A couple of years ago a guy in Tasmania went on a killing spree

and

> > murdered something like 45 people...I don't remember the exact

number

> > but he holds the world record for mass murder.
> >
> > It became obvious that if he did not have his arsenal of automatic
> > weapons, he could not have caused nearly as much damage. So

common

> > sense prevailed and laws were tightened.
> >
> > I cannot go to a store and buy a handgun. I can however join a
> > pistol club and get a handgun, but it is then left on the

premises.

> >
> > I guess the big question is, why would you NEED a hand gun? Or,

for

> > that matter, why would you NEED an AK47?
> >
> > Horses for courses.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
> > >
> > > > (like you can't take nuclear warheads for kangaroo hunting).
> > >
> > > I dunno...I hear they can box. You could ring a bell, and then

hit

> > them with
> > > a warhead between rounds.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------ ---------------------

~-->

> Plan to Sell a Home?
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/9_IolB/TM
> --------------------------------------------------------------------

-~->

>
>
>
>

>
>
>

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Group: pota	Message: 22962	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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Or you could just let things go as they are...so the big boys can
have their big toys that go "boom".

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/7/02 11:05:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Alright, so here's the question: do criminals still have guns?

Are there

> > still violent deaths by guns there? That's the arguement here,

that banning

> > guns would only keep them away from honest citizens. - - - Jeff
>
> I'm not for banning guns, but I am for regulating them much as we

do with

> ownership of cars. The right to bear arms, like the right to free

speech,

> isn't absolute, therefore if a majority of the voting public what

something

> heavily regulated, that's that.
>
> -- Rory
>

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Group: pota	Message: 22963	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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I've heard similar statistics just on the Canadian border. America is a
violent country. Hey, wait a minute! You're knocking my country! If I could
reach through this thing I'd throttle you, you Aussie...!! - - - Jeff
Smackdown

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

> Look at the statistics Jeff.
>
> US violent crime (involving firearms) is about 20 000 to one on us
> here. Our population is 15 million, so if the poulation of the US is
> 300 Billion then we are about square!
>
> UK has even less violent crime per capita.
>
> The evidence is there - tighter controls means it is HARDER for
> people to use firearms. You rule out the rash decision to pick up a
> weapon that can do a lot of damage.
>
> But people like Chuck stamp their feet and say "I want my gun". So
> they get their gun.
>
> Michael
>
> --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > Alright, so here's the question: do criminals still have guns?
> Are there
> > still violent deaths by guns there? That's the arguement here, that
> banning
> > guns would only keep them away from honest citizens. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <whitty@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:00 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)
> >
> >
> > > You know what I mean.
> > >
> > > A couple of years ago a guy in Tasmania went on a killing spree
> and
> > > murdered something like 45 people...I don't remember the exact
> number
> > > but he holds the world record for mass murder.
> > >
> > > It became obvious that if he did not have his arsenal of automatic
> > > weapons, he could not have caused nearly as much damage. So
> common
> > > sense prevailed and laws were tightened.
> > >
> > > I cannot go to a store and buy a handgun. I can however join a
> > > pistol club and get a handgun, but it is then left on the
> premises.
> > >
> > > I guess the big question is, why would you NEED a hand gun? Or,
> for
> > > that matter, why would you NEED an AK47?
> > >
> > > Horses for courses.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > (like you can't take nuclear warheads for kangaroo hunting).
> > > >
> > > > I dunno...I hear they can box. You could ring a bell, and then
> hit
> > > them with
> > > > a warhead between rounds.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------ ---------------------
> ~-->
> > Plan to Sell a Home?
> > http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/9_IolB/TM
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> -~->
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: pota	Message: 22964	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: First pic

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Group: pota	Message: 22965	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

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Well, his wife has to sign off on these movies. I guess she likes
them. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

> Poor Ted Geisel? He wrote tons of classic books that have delighted (and
continue to delight) children of all ages for decades. And this is what he
gets?
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: pota	Message: 22966	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: 2nd Pic Very cool!

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Group: pota	Message: 22967	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: 3rd pic

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Group: pota	Message: 22968	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: 1st poster

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Group: pota	Message: 22969	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
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Group: pota	Message: 22970	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2002
Subject: 3rd poster

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.htmlOh, Taylor, Brent and Nova in a three-way!

Kinky!

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Group: pota	Message: 22971	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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I guess the big question is, why would you NEED a hand gun? Or, for
that matter, why would you NEED an AK47?

Horses for courses.

Well, perhaps an AK is a bit too much club for the course, but if someone went on a spree like that here, at least I wouldn't get killed for lack of shooting back. Sure it's unlikely to come up, but I like to be prepared. DC seems to have a problem with snipers lately. That of course is a horse of a different color. If you've seen Enemy At The Gate you know what I mean. What they need are couter-snipers on all tall buildings with .50 cals. And speaking of films, since that's my chosen field not only is my collection fun to plink and pretty to look at, they make dandy film props. Sure replicas and blankguns are okay, but you if you take them to the range you'd look like an idiot. Michael may argue that you'd look like an idiot with an AK at the range, but not the one I go to. They rent H&K MP5s so their not bothered by exotics in the least. Well, there was this one time, but that's another story. But I'm getting long winded and this is starting to look like one of Patricks posts! I'll just finish by asking Mike if the high home invasion rate in Australia has gone down any.

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Group: pota	Message: 22972	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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The only reason I can think to own a handgun is if you plan someday to kill yourself. Now if you live alone out in the middle of nowhere and the law is miles away, then I think it's wise to have a long gun.

Well, if someone is kicking your door in, if a squad car is on the corner it might be close enough for them to catch your killer if he bothers to burden himself with a TV or stereo, but you won't be any less dead, so little consolation there. A handgun wouldn't be my first choice, but whatever's handy is better than nothing. Handguns are only really useful with a permit for concealed carry, and not much good for home defense. Personally I prefer a scatter-gun. Can't really miss with it and if through some fluke I do, it's not going to punch through any walls and hit my neighbors. <.html

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Group: pota	Message: 22973	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] trying a different angle

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/7/2002 9:42:40 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

.....can everybody see this?

I can see! I CAN SEE!!!!

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Group: pota	Message: 22974	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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.htmlThe right to bear arms, like the right to free speech, isn't absolute, therefore if a majority of the voting public what something heavily regulated, that's that.

The best argument I can think of was the Cafeteria Massacre. A woman went to a restaurant with her folks and while they were eating a guy decided to take revenge on his girlfriend and drove his truck through the front windows and began shooting everyone in the place. The lady had a handgun, but they were banned in a cafeteria so she left it in her truck, and had to sit there while the guy killed her parents right in front of her. I could also send you loads of stories of where armed citizens have saved the day. But what's the point. If your mind is made up, that's that.<.html

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Group: pota	Message: 22975	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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T

Sad to say but the "high home invasion rate" is a lie told by Chuck
on a recent visit (or interview...not sure which). There was
absolutely no evidence of this false claim.

I know you like to have the right to own big guns T, and that's fine
by me, but the consequences are all around you and you know it.

Choice/consequence.

Michael

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> > I guess the big question is, why would you NEED a hand gun? Or,

for

> > that matter, why would you NEED an AK47?
> >
> > Horses for courses.
>
> Well, perhaps an AK is a bit too much club for the course, but if

someone

> went on a spree like that here, at least I wouldn't get killed for

lack of

> shooting back. Sure it's unlikely to come up, but I like to be

prepared. DC

> seems to have a problem with snipers lately. That of course is a

horse of a

> different color. If you've seen Enemy At The Gate you know what I

mean.

> What they need are couter-snipers on all tall buildings with .50

cals. And

> speaking of films, since that's my chosen field not only is my

collection fun

> to plink and pretty to look at, they make dandy film props. Sure

replicas

> and blankguns are okay, but you if you take them to the range you'd

look like

> an idiot. Michael may argue that you'd look like an idiot with an

AK at the

> range, but not the one I go to. They rent H&K MP5s so their not

bothered by

> exotics in the least. Well, there was this one time, but that's

another

> story. But I'm getting long winded and this is starting to look

like one of

> Patricks posts! I'll just finish by asking Mike if the high home

invasion

> rate in Australia has gone down any.
>

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Group: pota	Message: 22976	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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God I would have surely killed my mother by now if these were
available...she's always dropping over unannounced!

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> > The only reason I can think to own a handgun is if you plan

someday to kill

> > yourself. Now if you live alone out in the middle of nowhere and

the law

> > is miles away, then I think it's wise to have a long gun.
>
> Well, if someone is kicking your door in, if a squad car is on the

corner it

> might be close enough for them to catch your killer if he bothers

to burden

> himself with a TV or stereo, but you won't be any less dead, so

little

> consolation there. A handgun wouldn't be my first choice, but

whatever's

> handy is better than nothing. Handguns are only really useful with

a permit

> for concealed carry, and not much good for home defense.

Personally I

> prefer a scatter-gun. Can't really miss with it and if through

some fluke I

> do, it's not going to punch through any walls and hit my

neighbors.

>

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Group: pota	Message: 22977	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

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Well, his wife has to sign off on these movies. I guess she likes
them. - - - Jeff

Or she likes the checks.
Plus they sell books.

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Group: pota	Message: 22978	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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I would have thought the idea was to prevent the idiot who drove
through the window from having a casual gun lying around in the first
place...

Back to the real statistics, hot heads and guns don't mix well.

Michael

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

> The right to bear arms, like the right to free speech, isn't

absolute,

> therefore if a majority of the voting public what something heavily
> regulated, that's that.
>
> The best argument I can think of was the Cafeteria Massacre. A

woman went to

> a restaurant with her folks and while they were eating a guy

decided to take

> revenge on his girlfriend and drove his truck through the front

windows and

> began shooting everyone in the place. The lady had a handgun, but

they were

> banned in a cafeteria so she left it in her truck, and had to sit

there while

> the guy killed her parents right in front of her. I could also

send you

> loads of stories of where armed citizens have saved the day. But

what's the

> point. If your mind is made up, that's that.
>

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Group: pota	Message: 22979	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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the consequences are all around you and you know it.

Well, I guess Japan is the wild west
Compared to Down Under then....
Got any guns?
The best, but we won't need them.
Glad to here it. I want one anyway.

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Group: pota	Message: 22980	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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Choice/consequence.

When I think of the consequences,
my choice is not to be unarmed.
Funny, but the only time I've been
attacked was with a knife.
Wish I'd had a gun on me,
or a knife.

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Group: pota	Message: 22981	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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I would have thought the idea was to prevent the idiot who drove
through the window from having a casual gun lying around in the first
place...

What I'm saying Mike is they already have them.

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Group: pota	Message: 22982	From: james611102	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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The right to bear arms is a guarantee against tyranny. And I for one
do not want to keep guns out of the hands of responsible law abiding
citizens. But I do believe that the constitution allows for
regulations. To own and operate a car you have to have a licence
(for which you take a test), the car has to be registered and you
have to have insurance on it. I don't see how these minimum
regulations applied to guns would infringe the right to bear arms in
any way.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> The best argument I can think of was the Cafeteria Massacre. A
woman went to
> a restaurant with her folks and while they were eating a guy
decided to take
> revenge on his girlfriend and drove his truck through the front
windows and
> began shooting everyone in the place. The lady had a handgun, but
they were
> banned in a cafeteria so she left it in her truck, and had to sit
there while
> the guy killed her parents right in front of her. I could also
send you
> loads of stories of where armed citizens have saved the day. But
what's the
> point. If your mind is made up, that's that.

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Group: pota	Message: 22983	From: Kassidy Rae	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: Yada Yada

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Kass, when did you first see PLANET and how old were you? How old were you
when you saw the TV show. I was eight when I first saw PLANET. I have a
theory that the movies or TV shows that we see between the ages of five and
twelve or so, and make the strongest impression, remain favorites forever
because of how they captured our imaginations.

-- Rory

Okay, I was 12 when the tv show came on. I didn't go to the movies to see PLANET so I was older than you when I first saw it. I can go for the fact that those movies and things we saw and loved at that age made a very strong impression, BUT there's a lot of things I'd seen back then that I laugh at now. I loved Lost in Space, Dark Shadows, and Logan's Run the tv show. Now I still have a certain fondness for all those things, and nostalgia plays a big part. But they are nothing I'd stop what I'm doing to sit down and watch. Hm, maybe that's why I like "Attack of the 50 Foot Woman" and such. Campy B movies. Anyway, but the only thing I really really still love is POTA, so I don't think that theory holds water for me to the degree that you are thinking of. And maybe fur pocketbooks. (okay, maybe I really don't like the fur pocketbooks anymore, either. I had one, though).

Goob, if you ever want to discuss the "aesthetics" of the tv show, I'd be happy to oblige. Naughty boy.

Kassidy

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Group: pota	Message: 22984	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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I agree.

Sorry for boring you all but this is something everyone need to open up
their minds and consider instead of coming up with indoctrination techniques
to protect.

I love guns. I love Dirty Harry movies and that fucking huge weapon he
sports. But I know in real life he would be straining to lift it, let alone
fire it accurately. I would love to own a tommy gun, but I can see that it
is for the greater good to go without or to allow restrictions. I'm sure I
would have been arrested for being a communist in the 50s having this
attitude....

It is childish and reminds me of a spoilt brat attitude to insist on keeping
something so dangerous "because I wanna". A bit like my attitude to my Ape
toys, but the difference is I can't lose my mind and use my ape toys to mass
murder.

"Police and thieves in the street
Scaring the nation with their
Guns and ammunition"

T, I know you love your right to bare arms, but would you at least admit
this is an emotional topic and while all the statistics and logic concludes
they should be banned or controlled, you just want things left as they are?

We can't even buy firecrackers here without a permit...now THAT sucks! Why?
Cos I like crackers!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:36
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)
>
>
> The right to bear arms is a guarantee against tyranny. And I for one
> do not want to keep guns out of the hands of responsible law abiding
> citizens. But I do believe that the constitution allows for
> regulations. To own and operate a car you have to have a licence
> (for which you take a test), the car has to be registered and you
> have to have insurance on it. I don't see how these minimum
> regulations applied to guns would infringe the right to bear arms in
> any way.
>
> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > The best argument I can think of was the Cafeteria Massacre. A
> woman went to
> > a restaurant with her folks and while they were eating a guy
> decided to take
> > revenge on his girlfriend and drove his truck through the front
> windows and
> > began shooting everyone in the place. The lady had a handgun, but
> they were
> > banned in a cafeteria so she left it in her truck, and had to sit
> there while
> > the guy killed her parents right in front of her. I could also
> send you
> > loads of stories of where armed citizens have saved the day. But
> what's the
> > point. If your mind is made up, that's that.
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Group: pota	Message: 22985	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 10/8/2002
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And what I'm saying is less would have them in the first place...I know what
you are saying, I just don't agree.

And if you shoot me, I can use a POTA 2001 Ban-Aid Bandage on the wound!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:14
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)
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> I would have thought the idea was to prevent the idiot who drove
> through the window from having a casual gun lying around in the first
> place...
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> What I'm saying Mike is they already have them.
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Group: pota	Message: 22986	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/8/2002
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Well, supposedly she wouldn't let them make these movies for years and years, then she realized Opie was perfect for it. NOW I'm sure she likes the dough because she's approving them at the drop of a Cat in the Hat.- - - Jeff

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 11:20 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

Well, his wife has to sign off on these movies. I guess she likes
them. - - - Jeff

Or she likes the checks.
Plus they sell books.
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Group: pota	Message: 22987	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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Personally, I've never understood the appeal of guns. Maybe it's the
power they represent. Even as a kid I had a BB gun I rarely used (it was a
present). To me they represent the first of mankind's weapons of mass
destruction. Supposedly the Winchester dude who invented that rifle went
nuts it played on his mind so. He built the famed Winchester house with all
kinds of doors and things that lead no where. He kept building it. Anyway, I
don't see the appeal of collecting and celebrating them. But that's just
me. - - - Jeff

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From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:16 AM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

> I agree.
>
> Sorry for boring you all but this is something everyone need to open up
> their minds and consider instead of coming up with indoctrination
techniques
> to protect.
>
> I love guns. I love Dirty Harry movies and that fucking huge weapon he
> sports. But I know in real life he would be straining to lift it, let
alone
> fire it accurately. I would love to own a tommy gun, but I can see that
it
> is for the greater good to go without or to allow restrictions. I'm sure
I
> would have been arrested for being a communist in the 50s having this
> attitude....
>
> It is childish and reminds me of a spoilt brat attitude to insist on
keeping
> something so dangerous "because I wanna". A bit like my attitude to my
Ape
> toys, but the difference is I can't lose my mind and use my ape toys to
mass
> murder.
>
> "Police and thieves in the street
> Scaring the nation with their
> Guns and ammunition"
>
> T, I know you love your right to bare arms, but would you at least admit
> this is an emotional topic and while all the statistics and logic
concludes
> they should be banned or controlled, you just want things left as they
are?
>
> We can't even buy firecrackers here without a permit...now THAT sucks!
Why?
> Cos I like crackers!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:36
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)
> >
> >
> > The right to bear arms is a guarantee against tyranny. And I for one
> > do not want to keep guns out of the hands of responsible law abiding
> > citizens. But I do believe that the constitution allows for
> > regulations. To own and operate a car you have to have a licence
> > (for which you take a test), the car has to be registered and you
> > have to have insurance on it. I don't see how these minimum
> > regulations applied to guns would infringe the right to bear arms in
> > any way.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > > The best argument I can think of was the Cafeteria Massacre. A
> > woman went to
> > > a restaurant with her folks and while they were eating a guy
> > decided to take
> > > revenge on his girlfriend and drove his truck through the front
> > windows and
> > > began shooting everyone in the place. The lady had a handgun, but
> > they were
> > > banned in a cafeteria so she left it in her truck, and had to sit
> > there while
> > > the guy killed her parents right in front of her. I could also
> > send you
> > > loads of stories of where armed citizens have saved the day. But
> > what's the
> > > point. If your mind is made up, that's that.
> >
> >
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Group: pota	Message: 22988	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yikes!

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Well, his wife has to sign off on these movies. I guess she likes
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Group: pota	Message: 22989	From: MTotsky@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
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Jeff wrote:

<<Well, his wife has to sign off on these movies. I guess she likes them.>>

I have little respect for her. It seems as if she is just cashing in on her husband's name and work with little regard for quality control.

Matt (Dreading the day when the feature film versions of "Hop on Pop" or "Mr. Brown Can Moo, Can You?" open)

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Group: pota	Message: 22990	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/8/02 8:23:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I love guns. I love Dirty Harry movies and that fucking huge weapon he
sports. But I know in real life he would be straining to lift it, let alone
fire it accurately. I would love to own a tommy gun, but I can see that it
is for the greater good to go without or to allow restrictions.

That's the .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and it can blow your head clean off. Do you feel lucky?

Anyway, what bothers me more about guns is how in stupid action movies they're used to solve problems. Usually the firing of the average gun, other than in target practice, creates more poblems than it solves, and even minor gun wounds can cause a lifetime of pain. I also hate it how in the movies guns, especially automatic weapons, are fired in close quarters -- and people's ear drums don't blow out and bleed! It's all such a fantasy!

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Group: pota	Message: 22991	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/8/02 9:46:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Personally, I've never understood the appeal of guns. Maybe it's the
power they represent. Even as a kid I had a BB gun I rarely used (it was a
present). To me they represent the first of mankind's weapons of mass
destruction. Supposedly the Winchester dude who invented that rifle went
nuts it played on his mind so. He built the famed Winchester house with all
kinds of doors and things that lead no where. He kept building it. Anyway, I
don't see the appeal of collecting and celebrating them. But that's just
me. - - - Jeff

When you think about how a gun, any gun, is just a means to send a projectile through the air so it can hit and destroy something, it's really rather silly to be so "into" them. Psychologically I guess it's akin to be fascinated with being able to "shoot a wad." Rather juvenile actually. I think women who are into it have penis envy.

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Group: pota	Message: 22992	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
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.htmlHi Anthony,

Oh, what a tough business Hollywood is!

Will Paramount Marketing Execs Become Fallguys?

Top marketing execs at Paramount may lose their jobs as the result of the colossal failures of last summer's K-19: The Widowmaker, starring Harrison Ford and Liam Neeson, and last month's The Four Feathers, starring Heath Ledger, the New York Post reported today (Monday). K-19, which cost some $100 million to make, earned just $35.1 million during its run. Four Feathers, with a reported budget of $80 million, has earned $12.4 million. One Paramount insider told the Post : "When we're not hitting the ball, we hunker down and get crazy." However, a Paramount spokesperson denied that a shake-up in the studio's marketing department is nearing, calling the predictions "way off base."

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Group: pota	Message: 22993	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Ooops!

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.htmlThere I go again sending the wrong mail to the group! But anyway, it is an interesting item.

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Group: pota	Message: 22994	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: (OT) DVDs

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.htmlHere's a super cool article on DVDs. Jeff will love reading this one.

Hollywood Sees the Big Picture With DVDs
By Frank Ahrens
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 7, 2002; Page A01

"Monsters, Inc.," the animated Disney kids' film, grossed $255 million at the box office, making it one of the year's biggest hits.

But as a revenue monster, it is just starting to howl.

On Sept. 19, the film's DVD, or digital video disc, was unleashed on the market. In its first week, it sold 7 million copies at an average price of $20, setting a record.

In today's Hollywood, box office revenue makes up less than a quarter of a film's total take. The largest piece of a movie's money pie comes from sales and rentals of its DVDs. If "Monsters, Inc." meets only routine DVD projections, Walt Disney Co. and Pixar Inc., which is part-owned by Disney, will end up splitting more than $380 million, far outstripping what the movie earned in theaters.

Witness the surging economic engine of Hollywood: the DVD.

For the first time this year, revenue from sales and rentals of DVDs, also known as digital versatile discs, has passed that from videotapes, partially because of the superior sound and picture quality of DVDs, but also because the discs are packed with features not available on video.

The DVD is changing more than Hollywood's bottom line. It is influencing what kinds of movies get made and when they are offered for sale and rental. It is extending the creative control of the director beyond the theater. It is affecting consumer choices -- some new films are no longer for sale on video, only on DVD.

On the downside, the studios' increasing reliance on DVD sales and rentals makes them more dependent on retailers, who are eager for a larger portion of profits. As a result, studios are developing alternative distribution options, such as cable television's video-on-demand service, to circumvent the video outlets.

But those problems pale in comparison to the deep gold mine that DVDs have become.

"We're all making a lot of money on DVD," a veteran studio executive said.

Breaking Revenue Records

When movie videos launched nearly 20 years ago, studios made almost all of their revenue from a movie's theatrical release and subsequent sales to television. Video revenue was seen as gravy. As the VCR grew in popularity, video rentals helped salvage movies that tanked at the box office.

But DVDs have done much more.

Machines playing the small discs have been embraced by consumers faster than any other electronic device, including the cell phone and the personal computer, as prices of both players and discs have plummeted. In the first half of 2002, DVD sales and rentals raked in about $2.6 billion for all Hollywood films. Those same films earned $1.7 billion in theaters and $1.6 billion from video.

People tend to buy more DVDs than videos; households owning DVD players will buy an average of 16 discs this year, while households owning VCRs will buy an average of five tapes. And industry estimates indicate that consumers will spend nearly three times as much on DVD sales as rentals this year, paying an average of $88 per household to rent DVDs and $261 to buy them.

Typically, studios receive about 40 percent of a DVD rental charge, which usually runs from $3 to $5. The studios get about 33 percent from the sale of a DVD. For top-line DVDs such as "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone," which can sell for as much as $29.98, the studio will clear $9.98 per disc.

Because of the coming release of blockbusters such as "Spider-Man," "Star Wars: Episode II -- Attack of the Clones," "XXX" and "Scooby-Doo," Hollywood is anticipating its biggest DVD fourth quarter yet. The next first-day sales record is likely to be set by Sony's "Spider-Man" DVD, to be released Nov. 1. The studio has shipped 19 million DVDs to Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and other retailers.

"The bigger pictures are even bigger, therefore there is more pressure to create better pictures and pay more money for bigger stars and special effects," said Benjamin Feingold, president of Columbia Tristar Home Entertainment, a division of Sony. "We have to increase the 'wow' factor."

For consumers, that means getting more than just a movie. The "Monsters, Inc." DVD has so much extra content, it takes up two discs. In addition to the movie, consumers get two short films, a game, a music video, interviews with the moviemakers, outtakes, abandoned story concepts, a tour of the Pixar animation studio, a trailer for an upcoming animated film, an explanation of computer animation and more.

So lucrative have the discs become that retailers are beginning to vie for a piece of the action. Blockbuster Inc., owned by Viacom Inc., which has its own movie studio in Paramount, is the largest player, controlling about 52 percent of the DVD rental market with its 8,000 stores.

As the DVD has grown in popularity, so has the clout of video stores. Blockbuster once had to agree to share revenue and buy a studio's entire catalogue of DVD and VHS releases to secure the hottest titles. Now, the retailer has more leverage. It still buys some studios' entire DVD outputs and shares sales revenue, but with other studios it buys DVDs on a title-by-title basis and does not share revenue. Further, Blockbuster does not share DVD rental revenue with the studios.

"They chose to bring the DVD in at a price so low that revenue sharing made no sense for us," said Dean Wilson, Blockbuster's executive vice president for content worldwide.

To sidestep Blockbuster, some studio executives, including Warren Lieberfarb, president of Warner Home Video Inc. and father of the DVD, are proposing that their industry exploit soon-to-be-launched video-on-demand services, called Movielink and Movies.com, to offer consumers movies for rental or sale over high-speed Internet access. No more trips to the video store, no more discs or tapes.

"They put us in a position of having to control our own destiny and develop a different business model that makes us less dependent on them," Lieberfarb said.

A New Way of Marketing

Lieberfarb, whose Warner Bros. team invented the DVD 10 years ago, is a gleeful provocateur who dragged the movie studios kicking and screaming out of the videotape era and into the DVD age, at least partly because Warner Bros. has several patents on DVD technology. White-haired and professorial with a droll wit, he is described in Hollywood as a visionary.

But no one could have envisioned the DVD frenzy. In the first half of 2001, DVD rentals and sales accounted for 23 percent of the movie industry's total take. In the first half of 2002, the percentage was up to 34 percent and climbing. Sales of both video movies and blank videotapes have dropped in the past year, reports the Electronic Industries Alliance trade group, as the video has started going the way of the eight-track.

DVDs are changing the way studios market movies. Sony's Columbia Tristar studios recently released the Jodie Foster thriller "Panic Room." Television commercials urge consumers to "buy it now on DVD, rent it on video." That is because Sony made no video copies for sale, guessing that the consumer most likely to buy "Panic Room" would play it on DVD. By parsing its consumers into "DVD buyers" and "video buyers," Sony can maximize its profits.

Major retailers are also changing the way they think. Last summer, Circuit City Stores Inc. announced it would no longer sell movies on video, ceding the rack space to DVDs. Best Buy Co. has pared back its stock of videos while expanding its DVD catalogue. In Blockbuster stores, where DVD rentals will exceed VHS rentals by year's end, DVDs are no longer segregated from video. The chain has acknowledged the growing desire for DVDs by displaying them side by side with videos.

VCRs are in about 90 million U.S. homes, essentially a level of saturation. DVD players are in 31 million U.S. homes, up from 17 million this time last year, Warner Home Video said. During the past five years, the average price of a DVD player has dropped to $153 from $491, the Consumer Electronics Association trade group said.

The quick acceptance of DVDs stems in part from the ease and cheapness of digital copying. In the early days of videotape, it cost about $25 per tape to duplicate a movie from one tape to the next. That is why videotape rentals quickly surpassed the sales market -- consumers could rent a videotape for $4, but had to pay as much as $99 to buy it.

DVDs cost less than $1 to duplicate and, unlike videotapes, they can store more data. This means the studios can add features on a DVD that movie fans cannot get on videotape.

"For a long time, the home entertainment divisions were in a linear business -- they'd take what was released theatrically, put it on tape, then out with it," the veteran studio executive said. "Now, we're in the business of creating a new product."

A Director's Dream

In places like Sony's Digital Authoring Center at its sprawling Culver City studios west of downtown Los Angeles, the DVD goes from being just a movie to an "experience," as they say.

First come the meetings, sometimes beginning a year before the DVD is set to release.

At all studios, not just at Sony, the team that creates the DVD gets a budget from the studio's marketing department, which relies on formulas to estimate how many DVDs a movie is likely to sell. Then, the DVD team hires a producer to bring together all of the added content that will go on the disc -- interviews, featurettes and so on.

The DVD team will meet with the director -- often before the film has begun shooting, yet another way the DVD is changing Hollywood.

"It's amazing," said Michael Stradford, Sony's vice president of DVD programming and content. "When I first joined the company in 1998 and would meet with directors, I would have to take a portable DVD player to explain how the format would work and why it's a really good thing to support it. Now, they're calling, saying, 'Hey, I want to talk to you about the DVD' before the film is shooting."

Often, moviemakers want to add so many extras that a second disc is required, which turns out to be a drop in the budget bucket: A studio executive said the cost of adding a second disc ranges from $50,000 to $200,000 per movie, depending on how much content is added.

Sony's "Spider-Man" DVD will likely raise the bar for the amount and quality of added content. In addition to the features showing how the film's extensive special effects were created, a screen test of star Tobey Maguire, commentary from romantic lead Kirsten Dunst and a documentary of the comic's history, the second disc is to contain renderings of Spider-Man by a number of artists, offering homage to creator Stan Lee.

If the consumer has embraced the DVD because of its superior picture and sound and extra features, one of the reasons moviemakers have done so is because of ego.

Because DVDs can be packed with scenes the director shot that were edited from the movie, the discs can turn the movie into a vanity project, allowing the director to have the last word.

At after-market shops like Sony's, egos are intruding in other ways. One film's director, whom the shop's employees declined to name, was unhappy that he did not show up enough in the additional material. To rectify the lapse, he directed them to insert more footage of him directing the film.

At a Market Near You?

The next generation of DVDs will be HDDVDs, or high-definition DVDs, made to be seen on high-definition televisions that now, at more than $2,000 each, are in a relative handful of homes. But as their price inevitably comes down, spurred by federal regulations requiring the switch to digital television, the quality of DVDs will have to ratchet up accordingly.

Inside the players, the red laser that reads the DVDs will, when the cost becomes viable, be replaced by a blue laser, which promises an improved picture and more data storage on a single disc.

But the next big thing consumers may notice are DVDs in the checkout lines of supermarkets and drug stores. Some of the major studios are discussing deals with such retailers to stock DVDs. If Lieberfarb and Warner Bros. get their way, the DVD will dive as low as $10 a disc, another Lieberfarbian agitation that provokes the other studios.

"It will be priced so it will be an impulse purchase," he said.

Which means that soon, Lieberfarb hopes, DVDs will be priced so low that the once-exotic disc -- as little as five years ago, a curiosity in the homes of early-tech adopters -- will be as ubiquitous and inexpensive as a tube of lipstick or two packs of D-cell batteries.

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Group: pota	Message: 22995	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Dr. Z pic

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.htmlHey, here's a great picture of Dr. Zaius. Have I posted this before? Can't remember -- getting to be like Chuck, I guess.

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Group: pota	Message: 22996	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: More Z

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Group: pota	Message: 22997	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Maurice!

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Group: pota	Message: 22998	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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.html Here's an idea, why don't you guys stick to discussing what you know, like POTA, because you obviously don't know anything about guns. I have no problem lifting and firing magnums, so I'm sure Clint Eastwood would do just fine. Yes, they jump when you're not firing blanks, but that won't throw off your aim because the bullet is on its way by the time that happens. And the point isn't to wound someone and cause them a lifetime of pain. The point is to end their lifetime, then and there, before they do it to you. You never pull a gun unless you're going to shoot it. And you don't shoot except to shoot to kill, to protect yourself and others. Anyone who says different is a yahoo who should be allowed a gun. As far as automatic weapons being fired at close quarters and blowing out your ear drums or making them bleed, that's a fantasy. It'll make them ring, and give you a hell of a headache, but that's all. I've stood in front of howitzers. Does it hurt? Yeah, but no more so than a seat at a Who concert close to the stage.

But I know in real life he would be straining to lift it, let alone

fire it accurately.

Usually the firing of the average gun, other than in target practice, creates more poblems than it solves, and even minor gun wounds can cause a lifetime of pain. I also hate it how in the movies guns, especially automatic weapons, are fired in close quarters -- and people's ear drums don't blow out and bleed! It's all such a fantasy!

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Group: pota	Message: 22999	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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it's really rather silly to be so "into" them.

A gun is just a tool. I also have a hell of a tool collection. Even tools look pretty cool when properly displayed. I appreciate fine craftsmanship. I like the look of fine wood and the color of case hardened steel. Its no different to me than a fine guitar. I think a lot of weapons today are down right ugly. But like I said before, its just a tool. So, is getting the job done is more important than looks? Sure! But some of these pieces are also pieces of history. And I have examples from both east and west. I see no difference between them and a set of revolutionary war dueling pistols. And no difference between that and a 1935 Gibson Archtop. You who may counter that a guitar can't kill you have never been hit in the head with a Fender Precision Bass!<.html

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Group: pota	Message: 23000	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Catching up

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Okay, I've just caught up on the last couple of weeks' posts, so
here's a quick digest of my thoughts raised by what's been discussed:

I've read the Time Ships and enjoyed it immensely but I still see a
circular timeline in Planet of the Apes; I think Patrick's mothership
idea is difficult to accept but only because I see the inconsistencies
as inconsistencies and nothing more - I certainly don't think his
theory is crazy; I can see Tim's pictures; Please, there's no need to
copy pictures that other people have pasted when you reply; Essential
SF - I saw "Seconds" for the first time a few weeks ago and loved it;
Essential horror - where's Night of the Living Dead?; Essential horror
again - I loved "The Stand" (including the original novel) but it's
TV, not film; Essential SF - "Things to Come" does indeed rule; "12
Monkeys" and "Gattaca" are both destined to be classics in my opinion,
not all modern SF films are losses;

There, one quick and easy post. Now I'm all up to date.

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Group: pota	Message: 23001	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Planet of the Apes "Remastered" Pt 1

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The discussion on what you would change in PotA for a "special
edition" DVD inspired me, so I've put together a few "before & after"
pictures. (Fox wouldn't do it so we may as well do it ourselves...)

First of all...

Footprints? What footprints?

Alan

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Group: pota	Message: 23002	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Planet of the Apes "Remastered" Pt 2

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I was a bit unsure for this scene what were footprints and what were
just caused by the tide, but here's my attempt anyway...

Alan

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Group: pota	Message: 23003	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Planet of the Apes "Remastered" Pt 3

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A tailor for Taylor...

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Group: pota	Message: 23004	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Planet of the Apes "Remastered" Pt 4

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This scene is a lot more difficult to get right, but I tried!

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Group: pota	Message: 23005	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Planet of the Apes "Remastered" Pt 5

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The ship again...

(I've got a few more pictures that I'll post later tonight or maybe
tomorrow, involving something slightly different)

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Group: pota	Message: 23006	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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Supposedly the Winchester dude who invented that rifle went
nuts it played on his mind so. He built the famed Winchester house with all
kinds of doors and things that lead no where. He kept building it.

You're thinking of his wife, Mrs. Winchester. After her husbands death, she was told by an Indian medicine man that the spirits of all the Indians killed by her husbands invention would haunt her. So she kept building on the maze-like house to confuse the evil spirits. Another bit of trivia, Samuel Colt didn't invent the Colt Peacemaker. It was designed by an associate of his in 1873, by which time Colt had been dead for years. The Colt revolver designed by Colt was a muzzle loader.

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Group: pota	Message: 23007	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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And what I'm saying is less would have them in the first place...I know what
you are saying, I just don't agree.

I know what you're saying. What I'm saying is unless you can hop in the Icarus and go back in time and enact a law where no one has them, and even then that would be some trick, your point is moot. You could argue we could do that now, but that's unworkable. It would turn law-abiding gun owners who don't want to give up their rights into criminals. The real criminals would keep their regardless, and it's unlikely the police would ever disarm. So what was your point again? Historical footnote: Just before Hitler came to power he inacted gun registration, so he'd know who to disarm. But I'm tired of this thread now, and since we went through all this five years ago -- enough said.

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Group: pota	Message: 23008	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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T, I know you love your right to bare arms, but would you at least admit
this is an emotional topic and while all the statistics and logic concludes
they should be banned or controlled, you just want things left as they are?

No

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Group: pota	Message: 23009	From: whitty@cyberone.com.au	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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Are you saying a 44 megnum is a good gun to use for accuracy?

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

> Here's an idea, why don't you guys stick to discussing what you

know, like

> POTA, because you obviously don't know anything about guns. I have

> problem lifting and firing magnums, so I'm sure Clint Eastwood

would do just

> fine. Yes, they jump when you're not firing blanks, but that won't

throw off

> your aim because the bullet is on its way by the time that

happens. And the

> point isn't to wound someone and cause them a lifetime of pain.

The point

> is to end their lifetime, then and there, before they do it to

you. You

> never pull a gun unless you're going to shoot it. And you don't

shoot except

> to shoot to kill, to protect yourself and others. Anyone who says

different

> is a yahoo who should be allowed a gun. As far as automatic

weapons being

> fired at close quarters and blowing out your ear drums or making

them bleed,

> that's a fantasy. It'll make them ring, and give you a hell of a

headache,

> but that's all. I've stood in front of howitzers. Does it hurt?

Yeah, but

> no more so than a seat at a Who concert close to the stage.
>
>
> But I know in real life he would be straining to lift it, let alone
> > fire it accurately.
>
> Usually the firing of the average gun, other than in target

practice,

> creates more poblems than it solves, and even minor gun wounds can

cause a

> lifetime of pain. I also hate it how in the movies guns,

especially

> automatic weapons, are fired in close quarters -- and people's ear

drums

> don't blow out and bleed! It's all such a fantasy!
>
>

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Group: pota	Message: 23010	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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Are you saying a 44 megnum is a good gun to use for accuracy?

.44 Megnum? Man, you even spell with an accent.
No, not especially. But usually what throws peoples aim off with Magnums is
they flinch in anticipation of the kick -- not the kick itself. By the time
you feel that the round is on it's way down range. And with Magnums, you
don't really need good accuracy. All you have to do is hit any part of your
target. If you try and play Lone Ranger, and wing 'em, or shoot the gun out
of their hand, they may bleed to death or die of shock anyway. If you want
an accuracy in a magnum, get a .357 and shoot .38s in it. You'll get used to
not flinching when you squeeze the trigger, and then you can move up and put
.357s in it. As far as accuracy goes, nearly anything, that's not a piece of
junk, can be fired with a reasonable degree of accuracy. I've seen a guy pop
a balloon at 200 yards with a .45 automatic, and a snub-nosed .38 detective's
special. Considered to be two of the most in accurate handguns there are. A
good shooter will compensate for an off sight.

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Group: pota	Message: 23011	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/8/02 4:06:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Here's an idea, why don't you guys stick to discussing what you know, like POTA, because you obviously don't know anything about guns.

OH, SHUT UP!!!!!!<.html

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Group: pota	Message: 23012	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Catching up

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/8/02 4:25:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

"12 Monkeys" and "Gattaca" are both destined to be classics, in my opinion.

GATTACA?!!!! Now there was a movie that bored the shit out of me.

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