.htmlIn a message dated 10/8/02 4:25:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

Essential SF - I saw "Seconds" for the first time a few weeks ago and loved it;
Essential horror - where's Night of the Living Dead?

On horror I just wrote a list of my favorites, not what's definative or essential.

In any event, I've never thought much of NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD.  It never scared me.

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/8/02 6:32:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

T, I know you love your right to bare arms

Every body has the right to "bare" arms!!!!!

We're talking the right to "bear" arms, you Aussie git!<.html

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:08 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) DVDs

Here's a super cool article on DVDs.  Jeff will love reading this one.


Hollywood Sees the Big Picture With DVDs
By Frank Ahrens
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 7, 2002; Page A01

"Monsters, Inc.," the animated Disney kids' film, grossed $255 million at the box office, making it one of the year's biggest hits.

But as a revenue monster, it is just starting to howl.

On Sept. 19, the film's DVD, or digital video disc, was unleashed on the market. In its first week, it sold 7 million copies at an average price of $20, setting a record.

In today's Hollywood, box office revenue makes up less than a quarter of a film's total take. The largest piece of a movie's money pie comes from sales and rentals of its DVDs. If "Monsters, Inc." meets only routine DVD projections, Walt Disney Co. and Pixar Inc., which is part-owned by Disney, will end up splitting more than $380 million, far outstripping what the movie earned in theaters.

Witness the surging economic engine of Hollywood: the DVD.

For the first time this year, revenue from sales and rentals of DVDs, also known as digital versatile discs, has passed that from videotapes, partially because of the superior sound and picture quality of DVDs, but also because the discs are packed with features not available on video.

The DVD is changing more than Hollywood's bottom line. It is influencing what kinds of movies get made and when they are offered for sale and rental. It is extending the creative control of the director beyond the theater. It is affecting consumer choices -- some new films are no longer for sale on video, only on DVD.

On the downside, the studios' increasing reliance on DVD sales and rentals makes them more dependent on retailers, who are eager for a larger portion of profits. As a result, studios are developing alternative distribution options, such as cable television's video-on-demand service, to circumvent the video outlets.

But those problems pale in comparison to the deep gold mine that DVDs have become.

"We're all making a lot of money on DVD," a veteran studio executive said.

Breaking Revenue Records

When movie videos launched nearly 20 years ago, studios made almost all of their revenue from a movie's theatrical release and subsequent sales to television. Video revenue was seen as gravy. As the VCR grew in popularity, video rentals helped salvage movies that tanked at the box office.

But DVDs have done much more.

Machines playing the small discs have been embraced by consumers faster than any other electronic device, including the cell phone and the personal computer, as prices of both players and discs have plummeted. In the first half of 2002, DVD sales and rentals raked in about $2.6 billion for all Hollywood films. Those same films earned $1.7 billion in theaters and $1.6 billion from video.

People tend to buy more DVDs than videos; households owning DVD players will buy an average of 16 discs this year, while households owning VCRs will buy an average of five tapes. And industry estimates indicate that consumers will spend nearly three times as much on DVD sales as rentals this year, paying an average of $88 per household to rent DVDs and $261 to buy them.

Typically, studios receive about 40 percent of a DVD rental charge, which usually runs from $3 to $5. The studios get about 33 percent from the sale of a DVD. For top-line DVDs such as "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone," which can sell for as much as $29.98, the studio will clear $9.98 per disc.

Because of the coming release of blockbusters such as "Spider-Man," "Star Wars: Episode II -- Attack of the Clones," "XXX" and "Scooby-Doo," Hollywood is anticipating its biggest DVD fourth quarter yet. The next first-day sales record is likely to be set by Sony's "Spider-Man" DVD, to be released Nov. 1. The studio has shipped 19 million DVDs to Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and other retailers.

"The bigger pictures are even bigger, therefore there is more pressure to create better pictures and pay more money for bigger stars and special effects," said Benjamin Feingold, president of Columbia Tristar Home Entertainment, a division of Sony. "We have to increase the 'wow' factor."

For consumers, that means getting more than just a movie. The "Monsters, Inc." DVD has so much extra content, it takes up two discs. In addition to the movie, consumers get two short films, a game, a music video, interviews with the moviemakers, outtakes, abandoned story concepts, a tour of the Pixar animation studio, a trailer for an upcoming animated film, an explanation of computer animation and more.

So lucrative have the discs become that retailers are beginning to vie for a piece of the action. Blockbuster Inc., owned by Viacom Inc., which has its own movie studio in Paramount, is the largest player, controlling about 52 percent of the DVD rental market with its 8,000 stores.

As the DVD has grown in popularity, so has the clout of video stores. Blockbuster once had to agree to share revenue and buy a studio's entire catalogue of DVD and VHS releases to secure the hottest titles. Now, the retailer has more leverage. It still buys some studios' entire DVD outputs and shares sales revenue, but with other studios it buys DVDs on a title-by-title basis and does not share revenue. Further, Blockbuster does not share DVD rental revenue with the studios.

"They chose to bring the DVD in at a price so low that revenue sharing made no sense for us," said Dean Wilson, Blockbuster's executive vice president for content worldwide.

To sidestep Blockbuster, some studio executives, including Warren Lieberfarb, president of Warner Home Video Inc. and father of the DVD, are proposing that their industry exploit soon-to-be-launched video-on-demand services, called Movielink and Movies.com, to offer consumers movies for rental or sale over high-speed Internet access. No more trips to the video store, no more discs or tapes.

"They put us in a position of having to control our own destiny and develop a different business model that makes us less dependent on them," Lieberfarb said.

A New Way of Marketing

Lieberfarb, whose Warner Bros. team invented the DVD 10 years ago, is a gleeful provocateur who dragged the movie studios kicking and screaming out of the videotape era and into the DVD age, at least partly because Warner Bros. has several patents on DVD technology. White-haired and professorial with a droll wit, he is described in Hollywood as a visionary.

But no one could have envisioned the DVD frenzy. In the first half of 2001, DVD rentals and sales accounted for 23 percent of the movie industry's total take. In the first half of 2002, the percentage was up to 34 percent and climbing. Sales of both video movies and blank videotapes have dropped in the past year, reports the Electronic Industries Alliance trade group, as the video has started going the way of the eight-track.

DVDs are changing the way studios market movies. Sony's Columbia Tristar studios recently released the Jodie Foster thriller "Panic Room." Television commercials urge consumers to "buy it now on DVD, rent it on video." That is because Sony made no video copies for sale, guessing that the consumer most likely to buy "Panic Room" would play it on DVD. By parsing its consumers into "DVD buyers" and "video buyers," Sony can maximize its profits.

Major retailers are also changing the way they think. Last summer, Circuit City Stores Inc. announced it would no longer sell movies on video, ceding the rack space to DVDs. Best Buy Co. has pared back its stock of videos while expanding its DVD catalogue. In Blockbuster stores, where DVD rentals will exceed VHS rentals by year's end, DVDs are no longer segregated from video. The chain has acknowledged the growing desire for DVDs by displaying them side by side with videos.

VCRs are in about 90 million U.S. homes, essentially a level of saturation. DVD players are in 31 million U.S. homes, up from 17 million this time last year, Warner Home Video said. During the past five years, the average price of a DVD player has dropped to $153 from $491, the Consumer Electronics Association trade group said.

The quick acceptance of DVDs stems in part from the ease and cheapness of digital copying. In the early days of videotape, it cost about $25 per tape to duplicate a movie from one tape to the next. That is why videotape rentals quickly surpassed the sales market -- consumers could rent a videotape for $4, but had to pay as much as $99 to buy it.

DVDs cost less than $1 to duplicate and, unlike videotapes, they can store more data. This means the studios can add features on a DVD that movie fans cannot get on videotape.

"For a long time, the home entertainment divisions were in a linear business -- they'd take what was released theatrically, put it on tape, then out with it," the veteran studio executive said. "Now, we're in the business of creating a new product."

A Director's Dream

In places like Sony's Digital Authoring Center at its sprawling Culver City studios west of downtown Los Angeles, the DVD goes from being just a movie to an "experience," as they say.

First come the meetings, sometimes beginning a year before the DVD is set to release.

At all studios, not just at Sony, the team that creates the DVD gets a budget from the studio's marketing department, which relies on formulas to estimate how many DVDs a movie is likely to sell. Then, the DVD team hires a producer to bring together all of the added content that will go on the disc -- interviews, featurettes and so on.

The DVD team will meet with the director -- often before the film has begun shooting, yet another way the DVD is changing Hollywood.

"It's amazing," said Michael Stradford, Sony's vice president of DVD programming and content. "When I first joined the company in 1998 and would meet with directors, I would have to take a portable DVD player to explain how the format would work and why it's a really good thing to support it. Now, they're calling, saying, 'Hey, I want to talk to you about the DVD' before the film is shooting."

Often, moviemakers want to add so many extras that a second disc is required, which turns out to be a drop in the budget bucket: A studio executive said the cost of adding a second disc ranges from $50,000 to $200,000 per movie, depending on how much content is added.

Sony's "Spider-Man" DVD will likely raise the bar for the amount and quality of added content. In addition to the features showing how the film's extensive special effects were created, a screen test of star Tobey Maguire, commentary from romantic lead Kirsten Dunst and a documentary of the comic's history, the second disc is to contain renderings of Spider-Man by a number of artists, offering homage to creator Stan Lee.

If the consumer has embraced the DVD because of its superior picture and sound and extra features, one of the reasons moviemakers have done so is because of ego.

Because DVDs can be packed with scenes the director shot that were edited from the movie, the discs can turn the movie into a vanity project, allowing the director to have the last word.

At after-market shops like Sony's, egos are intruding in other ways. One film's director, whom the shop's employees declined to name, was unhappy that he did not show up enough in the additional material. To rectify the lapse, he directed them to insert more footage of him directing the film.

At a Market Near You?

The next generation of DVDs will be HDDVDs, or high-definition DVDs, made to be seen on high-definition televisions that now, at more than $2,000 each, are in a relative handful of homes. But as their price inevitably comes down, spurred by federal regulations requiring the switch to digital television, the quality of DVDs will have to ratchet up accordingly.

Inside the players, the red laser that reads the DVDs will, when the cost becomes viable, be replaced by a blue laser, which promises an improved picture and more data storage on a single disc.

But the next big thing consumers may notice are DVDs in the checkout lines of supermarkets and drug stores. Some of the major studios are discussing deals with such retailers to stock DVDs. If Lieberfarb and Warner Bros. get their way, the DVD will dive as low as $10 a disc, another Lieberfarbian agitation that provokes the other studios.

"It will be priced so it will be an impulse purchase," he said.

Which means that soon, Lieberfarb hopes, DVDs will be priced so low that the once-exotic disc -- as little as five years ago, a curiosity in the homes of early-tech adopters -- will be as ubiquitous and inexpensive as a tube of lipstick or two packs of D-cell batteries.

© 2002 The Washington Post Company

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We're talking the right to "bear" arms, you Aussie git!

Mike Has Hairy Bear Arms! nya nya nyaa nya nyaaa nya<.html

At a moving target? With the accuracy of Dirty Harry?

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

> Are you saying a 44 megnum is a good gun to use for accuracy?
>
> ..44 Megnum? Man, you even spell with an accent.
> No, not especially. But usually what throws peoples aim off with

Magnums is

> they flinch in anticipation of the kick -- not the kick itself. By

the time

> you feel that the round is on it's way down range. And with

Magnums, you

> don't really need good accuracy. All you have to do is hit any

part of your

> target. If you try and play Lone Ranger, and wing 'em, or shoot

the gun out

> of their hand, they may bleed to death or die of shock anyway. If

you want

> an accuracy in a magnum, get a .357 and shoot .38s in it. You'll

get used to

> not flinching when you squeeze the trigger, and then you can move

up and put

> ..357s in it. As far as accuracy goes, nearly anything, that's not

a piece of

> junk, can be fired with a reasonable degree of accuracy. I've seen

a guy pop

> a balloon at 200 yards with a .45 automatic, and a snub-nosed .38

detective's

> special. Considered to be two of the most in accurate handguns

there are. A

> good shooter will compensate for an off sight.
>
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Are you sure - bears have very hairy arms....

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/8/02 6:32:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
>
> > T, I know you love your right to bare arms
>
> Every body has the right to "bare" arms!!!!!
>
> We're talking the right to "bear" arms, you Aussie git!
>

These are very good.

--- "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...> wrote:

> The ship again...
>
> (I've got a few more pictures that I'll post later tonight or maybe
> tomorrow, involving something slightly different)
>
> Alan

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:50 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Yada Yada

Kass, when did you first see PLANET and how old were you?  How old were you
when you saw the TV show.  I was eight when I first saw PLANET.  I have a
theory that the movies or TV shows that we see between the ages of five and
twelve or so, and make the strongest impression, remain favorites forever
because of how they captured our imaginations.

-- Rory

Okay, I was 12 when the tv show came on.  I didn't go to the movies to see PLANET so I was older than you when I first saw it.  I can go for the fact that those movies and things we saw and loved at that age made a very strong impression, BUT there's a lot of things I'd seen back then that I laugh at now.  I loved Lost in Space, Dark Shadows, and Logan's Run the tv show.  Now I still have a certain fondness for all those things, and nostalgia plays a big part.  But they are nothing I'd stop what I'm doing to sit down and watch.  Hm, maybe that's why I like "Attack of the 50 Foot Woman" and such.  Campy B movies.  Anyway, but the only thing I really really still love is POTA, so I don't think that theory holds water for me to the degree that you are thinking of.  And maybe fur pocketbooks.  (okay, maybe I really don't like the fur pocketbooks anymore, either.  I had one, though).

Goob, if you ever want to discuss the "aesthetics" of the tv show, I'd be happy to oblige.  Naughty boy.

Kassidy

 

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/8/02 10:45:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

These are very good.

Yeah, Alan.  You should be working for Fox.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/8/02 11:12:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Hey Kass, have you ever fantasized about Virdon and Burke together?

O High and Mighty. . . . . .












YOU'RE GAY!<.html

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Dodge:  Taylor, what is it?
Taylor:  I don't know, but if I had to guess. . . .
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At a moving target? With the accuracy of Dirty Harry?

Well, you'd have to be a hell of a
marksman to compete with movie accuracy.
And they don't have to reload as much either.

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You did this to him, you bloody baboon!
And you want to do the same to Patrick!

Wait a minute. . . ?
Hey Z, you beautiful ape!
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How do you ride around on a horse in a barren desert for "many days and nights," with little food and water, and still get fat?

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I know what I'd do if I had a gun...that's why I think it is better
NOT to have one...

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> What I'd love to do to Patrick sometimes.
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:37 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Yada Yada

In a message dated 10/8/02 11:12:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Hey Kass, have you ever fantasized about Virdon and Burke together?

O High and Mighty. . . . . .












YOU'RE GAY!

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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This is Dr. Cornelius.
Eminate archaeologist. 
His discoveries about the past
have led him to a theory on
the origins of Apes and Man.
But he dare not reveal it,
for it will terrify civilization
on the
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Jump, Nova!  Jump!  And when you get a chance, can you tell
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Oh to be able to... you know...right above here!
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This is dr. Zira.
Leading psychologist.
Seeker of truth.
Her experiments
on men have led her
to a secret about the
human animal.  If she
reveals it, she will
be tortured.
For it will
endanger
civilization on
the
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That reminds me
Does anyone have the Zira-O-Lantern pic?
I have it somewhere, but not handy.

<Well, Kass, people seem to like Naughton but what about Ron Harper? What a treasure chest!
Hey Kass, have you ever fantasized about Virdon and Burke together? Let's face it, there'd be long stretches in the wilderness between settlements. It follows that they would have the occasion to send Galen on an "errand" and get on with it (when there weren't any chicks around, of course). What if Urko captured them and locked them up in the "Beneath" steam room? They would just have to sit tight until Galen found them (which could take awhile!). Or, you know those cages in "The Liberator", where they're tied to the bars? Perhaps one of them frees himself from his bindings. He'd still be stuck in the cage, and yet...the other one would be at his mercy!
"Pete, what are you doing? Set me free!"
"Sorry, Alan. Do you know what it's like running all day with your cute little tush in front of me always just out of reach? Though in a sense I AM going to set you free." >

Dear High and Mighty Goob,

(Think I could call you 'Jeffy dear?' Since I'm getting to know your preferences so, er, intimately....

No, I'm not into the two men together.  Thanks for asking.  But haven't you seen that slash story from Australia?  Here, let me help you out..http://www.squidge.org/~righ/phoenix/learnedprejudices.html/p>

As for Ron Harper, he has very devoted fans and as you noted, a very nice chest.  I hear he gets pretty upset at any gay stories about him, though.  I bet he'd have a real fit at the Garrison's Gorilla's stories that were up at fanfiction.net.  Now that they've shut out all the NC-17 stories, they might have removed them.

I see you've noticed the quality of Mr. Harper's buns.  My, you ARE a naughty boy...

Glad you didn't ask me about GALEN and one of the boys, but that's a different story.  I might have to lie to you if you asked me that.

YOUR DISCIPLE (I think you might have lost Rory, though),

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<Well, Kass, people seem to like Naughton but what about Ron Harper? What a treasure chest!
Hey Kass, have you ever fantasized about Virdon and Burke together? Let's face it, there'd be long stretches in the wilderness between settlements. It follows that they would have the occasion to send Galen on an "errand" and get on with it (when there weren't any chicks around, of course). What if Urko captured them and locked them up in the "Beneath" steam room? They would just have to sit tight until Galen found them (which could take awhile!). Or, you know those cages in "The Liberator", where they're tied to the bars? Perhaps one of them frees himself from his bindings. He'd still be stuck in the cage, and yet...the other one would be at his mercy!
"Pete, what are you doing? Set me free!"
"Sorry, Alan. Do you know what it's like running all day with your cute little tush in front of me always just out of reach? Though in a sense I AM going to set you free." >

Dear High and Mighty Goob,

(Think I could call you 'Jeffy dear?' Since I'm getting to know your preferences so, er, intimately....

No, I'm not into the two men together.  Thanks for asking.  But haven't you seen that slash story from Australia?  Here, let me help you out..http://www.squidge.org/~righ/phoenix/learnedprejudices.html/p>

As for Ron Harper, he has very devoted fans and as you noted, a very nice chest.  I hear he gets pretty upset at any gay stories about him, though.  I bet he'd have a real fit at the Garrison's Gorilla's stories that were up at fanfiction.net.  Now that they've shut out all the NC-17 stories, they might have removed them.

I see you've noticed the quality of Mr. Harper's buns.  My, you ARE a naughty boy...

Glad you didn't ask me about GALEN and one of the boys, but that's a different story.  I might have to lie to you if you asked me that.

YOUR DISCIPLE (I think you might have lost Rory, though),

Kassidy

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Does anyone have the Zira-O-Lantern pic?

Zira-O-Lantern?   What's that?<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 7:41:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, valwp@... writes:

YOUR DISCIPLE (I think you might have lost Rory, though),

Kassidy

No, I'm just kidding his Royal Anus, the Lord High and Mighty Grand Potentate , the greatest POTA fan now and forever, the Ayatollah of PotAollah, Bill Blake's best friend, Natalie Trundy's man servant, the Keeper of the Faith, the one, the only. . . .

Who am I talking about again?!?!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 7:41:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, valwp@... writes:

No, I'm not into the two men together.  Thanks for asking.  But haven't you seen that slash story from Australia?  Here, let me help you out..http://www.squidge.org/~righ/phoenix/learnedprejudices.htmlbr>

Read it.  Oh my God, you POTA TV show fanatics are weird monkeys!!!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 8:32:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I've got the horn!!!

Michael



Mike, when was the last time you saw your horn?
AAAAAHHHH!!!  HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:40 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Yada Yada

<Well, Kass, people seem to like Naughton but what about Ron Harper? What a treasure chest!
Hey Kass, have you ever fantasized about Virdon and Burke together? Let's face it, there'd be long stretches in the wilderness between settlements. It follows that they would have the occasion to send Galen on an "errand" and get on with it (when there weren't any chicks around, of course). What if Urko captured them and locked them up in the "Beneath" steam room? They would just have to sit tight until Galen found them (which could take awhile!). Or, you know those cages in "The Liberator", where they're tied to the bars? Perhaps one of them frees himself from his bindings. He'd still be stuck in the cage, and yet...the other one would be at his mercy!
"Pete, what are you doing? Set me free!"
"Sorry, Alan. Do you know what it's like running all day with your cute little tush in front of me always just out of reach? Though in a sense I AM going to set you free." >

Dear High and Mighty Goob,

(Think I could call you 'Jeffy dear?' Since I'm getting to know your preferences so, er, intimately....

No, I'm not into the two men together.  Thanks for asking.  But haven't you seen that slash story from Australia?  Here, let me help you out..http://www.squidge.org/~righ/phoenix/learnedprejudices.html/p>

As for Ron Harper, he has very devoted fans and as you noted, a very nice chest.  I hear he gets pretty upset at any gay stories about him, though.  I bet he'd have a real fit at the Garrison's Gorilla's stories that were up at fanfiction.net.  Now that they've shut out all the NC-17 stories, they might have removed them.

I see you've noticed the quality of Mr. Harper's buns.  My, you ARE a naughty boy...

Glad you didn't ask me about GALEN and one of the boys, but that's a different story.  I might have to lie to you if you asked me that.

YOUR DISCIPLE (I think you might have lost Rory, though),

Kassidy

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  My dear lady! I can assure you I'm 98.9% hetero.

With all due respect, O High and Mighty. . . . You're a homo-sapien thru and thru!  Deal with it.

AAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!  HAAAA!!!!  HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!<.html

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>
> GATTACA?!!!! Now there was a movie that bored the shit out of me.

That's a criticism that's heard a lot when discussing "2001 : A Space
Odyssey" as well, but...

Alan

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My next bit of image-manipulation fun - remember the idea originally
that Taylor got shot by a gorilla sniper at the end of the first film?
Here are my attempts. This is the first one, but you'll need to look
VERY closely...

(the others are not so subtle!)

Alan

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Not so subtle this time...

Alan

 

...

> No, I'm not into the two men together. Thanks for asking. But haven't you
> seen that slash story from Australia? Here, let me help you
> out..http://www.squidge.org/~righ/phoenix/learnedprejudices.htmlbr>>
>

Read it. Oh my God, you POTA TV show fanatics are weird monkeys!!!

 

Thank God the movie POTA folks keep us psychos in balance.

Kiss kiss,

Kassidy


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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:42:59 EDT
From: Haristas@...
Subject: Re: Dirty Yada

In a message dated 10/9/02 8:32:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

> I've got the horn!!!
>
> Michael
>
>

Mike, when was the last time you saw your horn?
AAAAAHHHH!!! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!


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Do you Yahoo!?

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And not even slightly subtle this time...

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Final attempt!

Alan

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That's a criticism that's heard a lot when discussing "2001 : A Space
Odyssey" as well, but...

Alan

You bloody Scot!!!!  Are you trying to say that "Gattaca" is in its own way as good as "2001"?   Bloody hell!!!!

Rory<.html

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I have to say, until Corky Romano was released, 2001 was at the top of my
'Dullest movies ever' list.
It had more laughs than Corky Romano though.
Best,
KEN

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Catching up


> Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:
> >
> > GATTACA?!!!! Now there was a movie that bored the shit out of me.
>
> That's a criticism that's heard a lot when discussing "2001 : A Space
> Odyssey" as well, but...
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> You bloody Scot!!!! Are you trying to say that "Gattaca" is in its

own way

> as good as "2001"? Bloody hell!!!!

Yes. As important? No. As likely to be seen as a classic in years to
come? With 2001's reputation, probably not. But as good a film?
Definitely. (And let us not forget that Blade Runner also received a
lukewarm reception on release but has since become a classic - funnily
enough, I found it tedious... I see a pattern emerging...)

Gattaca and 12 Monkeys really restored my faith that occasionally
(maybe once every few years) someone might just manage to make a
decent SF film. Both of them seem like they actually tried to make a
good film that made money, rather than a money machine that might
hopefully turn out to be a good film (which is the usual approach).

Gattaca might not be the first film to tackle eugenics/genetic
engineering or explore these themes (anyone remember "Creation of the
Humanoids"?) but it's the first to do it as credible, serious SF and a
damn well-made film to boot.

Alan

For some reason I see a vein on Rory's head bursting as he reads
this;-)

--- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> I have to say, until Corky Romano was released, 2001 was at the
top of my
> 'Dullest movies ever' list.
> It had more laughs than Corky Romano though.
> Best,
> KEN

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I've got the horn!!!

Michael



Mike, when was the last time you saw your horn?
AAAAAHHHH!!!  HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

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.html In a message dated 10/9/02 2:07:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

That's a criticism that's heard a lot when discussing "2001 : A Space
Odyssey" as well, but...

Alan

You bloody Scot!!!!  Are you trying to say that "Gattaca" is in its own way as good as "2001"?   Bloody hell!!!!

Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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Hey, if it only had ended this way maybe there wouldn't have been a Beneath.  That looking at things positively.  :D

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He'll just accuse Ken of being the Aussie who wrote that "Slash" story.

Imagine the kinky story we could do with HAL and the boys....oh, never mind.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 8:14
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Catching up
>
>
> For some reason I see a vein on Rory's head bursting as he reads
> this;-)
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> > I have to say, until Corky Romano was released, 2001 was at the
> top of my
> > 'Dullest movies ever' list.
> > It had more laughs than Corky Romano though.
> > Best,
> > KEN

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 4:30:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:

I have to say, until Corky Romano was released, 2001 was at the top of my
'Dullest movies ever' list.
It had more laughs than Corky Romano though.
Best,
KEN

2001 rocks!  You had to be there in '68 and have seen it in Cinerama.  If not, too bad for you!  I love the movie.  If you read the book you'll understand everything in it.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 5:22:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

Yes. As important? No. As likely to be seen as a classic in years to
come? With 2001's reputation, probably not. But as good a film?
Definitely. (And let us not forget that Blade Runner also received a
lukewarm reception on release but has since become a classic - funnily
enough, I found it tedious... I see a pattern emerging...)

"Gattaca" blows and will never be considered a classic, HOWEVER these days it seems like every old movie is being called a classic!  People don't know classic from ass lick!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 6:15:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

For some reason I see a vein on Rory's head bursting as he reads
this;-)

Almost!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 6:18:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

When I looked in the mirror at your house and saw it sinking into your....

What the....?  You smokin' somethin'?<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 6:24:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Hey, is "Superman" Sci-Fi?  I say yes.

Yes, "Superman" is SF but at the same level as "Flash Gordon" (which made my list) and other comics inspired movies.  I would also say "Star Wars" is at the same level -- pulp SF.

You should write SF and not Sci-Fi.  Sci-Fi is a vulgarization that Forrest J. Ackerman invented as a play on Hi-Fi.  Serious Science Fiction types always abbreviate it as SF.

DON'T MAKE ME LOOK DOWN MY NOSE AT YOU!  And that goes for all the rest of you!  I shake my fist at you!

-- Rory (terror of the group)<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 6:30:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

He'll just accuse Ken of being the Aussie who wrote that "Slash" story.

Imagine the kinky story we could do with HAL and the boys....oh, never mind.

Remember in THE SIMPSONS when Homer was floating in the Space Shuttle and revolving to the 2001 waltz as he closed his mouth around a floating potato chip?   Now tell me again that 2001 doesn't rock.  SHAME ON YOU ALL!!!!!

-- Rory<.html

It follows that they would have the occasion to send Galen on an "errand" and
get on with it (when there weren't any chicks around, of course). What if
Urko captured them and locked them up in the "Beneath" steam room?

O High and Might Poofentate,
What kind of weirdness is that? You and Thy should be collaborating on
lemons for the potafanfic. Though you guys may be the only ones who'd ever
read them.

Sorry but Patrick is the terror of the group.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> -- Rory (terror of the group)

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Zira-O-Lantern?   What's that?

It's a jackolantern with Zira's face on it.  If I can find it I'll post it.  You print it an put it on the pumpkin as a stencil.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 8:05:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Sorry but Patrick is the terror of the group.

Thaaaaat's riiiiiiight.  I forget about him between weekends.<.html

Hi there, I am a fellow "ape-o-phile" new to this list. I did a
search for this topic but I couldn't find anything....does anyone
know if there are any Planet of the Apes fonts available free to
download, and if so where? There is a font called "Simian" out there
but it is expensive. Thanks for reading.

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 8:13:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Zira-O-Lantern?   What's that?

It's a jackolantern with Zira's face on it.  If I can find it I'll post it.  You print it and put it on the pumpkin as a stencil.


They should have made those for all the POTA characters.  An orange pumpkin would be perfect for Dr. Zaius!   Bacause of the makeup in APES I often think they're perfect movies for Halloween!

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 8:17:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, danielproctor@... writes:

Hi there, I am a fellow "ape-o-phile" new to this list. I did a
search for this topic but I couldn't find anything....does anyone
know if there are any Planet of the Apes fonts available free to
download, and if so where? There is a font called "Simian" out there
but it is expensive. Thanks for reading.

I don't know where you can find it for free.  If so, I'd have it.  The one you're talking about is from House Industries (I posted it a few days ago.), but it is $150.00.  Too much for me!<.html

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> I don't know where you can find it for free. If so, I'd have it.

The one

> you're talking about is from House Industries (I posted it a few

days ago.),

> but it is $150.00. Too much for me!

Thanks for the response. Frankly I am surprised that noone has made a
font for free for POTA, there are always ones for other shows/movies
that pop up. Yeah, the price is steep for me also. "Simian" is
definatly a cool font, and I'd like to have it, but for $150 bucks I
just can't see getting it.

Hey T, You were the one who said I should stick to what I know. Make up
your mind! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yada Yada


> It follows that they would have the occasion to send Galen on an "errand"
and
> get on with it (when there weren't any chicks around, of course). What if
> Urko captured them and locked them up in the "Beneath" steam room?
>
> O High and Might Poofentate,
> What kind of weirdness is that? You and Thy should be collaborating on
> lemons for the potafanfic. Though you guys may be the only ones who'd
ever
> read them.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Font?

In a message dated 10/9/02 8:17:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, danielproctor@... writes:

Hi there, I am a fellow "ape-o-phile" new to this list. I did a
search for this topic but I couldn't find anything....does anyone
know if there are any Planet of the Apes fonts available free to
download, and if so where? There is a font called "Simian" out there
but it is expensive. Thanks for reading.

I don't know where you can find it for free.  If so, I'd have it.  The one you're talking about is from House Industries (I posted it a few days ago.), but it is $150.00.  Too much for me!

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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Though it's still over a month away, the new "Star Wars" DVD is reviewed
on www.dvdfile.com and it sounds awesome. It's the first "live-action" flick
to be shot digitally and then put directly on DVD (they do that for CG
flicks like "Monsters Inc.") and the picture is awesome (the review includes
screen saves so you can see for yourself). Whatever you think of the movie,
in picture, sound and extras, this DVD sets the new high-water mark. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yada Yada


> Hey T, You were the one who said I should stick to what I know. Make up
> your mind! - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <LordTZer0@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Yada Yada
>
>
> > It follows that they would have the occasion to send Galen on an
"errand"
> and
> > get on with it (when there weren't any chicks around, of course). What
if
> > Urko captured them and locked them up in the "Beneath" steam room?
> >
> > O High and Might Poofentate,
> > What kind of weirdness is that? You and Thy should be collaborating on
> > lemons for the potafanfic. Though you guys may be the only ones who'd
> ever
> > read them.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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You bloody Scot!!!!  Are you trying to say that "Gattaca" is in its own way as good as "2001"?   Bloody hell!!!!

I think he's saying it's just as boring, but Solarus has them both beat.
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.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/2002 6:55:06 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I would also say "Star Wars" is at the same level -- pulp SF.

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If not, too bad for you!  I love the movie.  If you read the book you'll understand everything in it.

Really?  Does the book explain why that kaleidoscopic scene went on for half an hour?  Maybe after the first ten minutes it just seemed like half an hour.  I'll bet if you timed it would only be five minutes.  It must be a time warp.<.html

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They should have made those for all the POTA characters.

It was just that publicity photo, the one that often has her without makeup in the corner, done in B&W.  You just cut the wite bits out of the pumpkin.  It's a great effect.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 9:56:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Though it's still over a month away, the new "Star Wars" DVD is reviewed
on www.dvdfile.com and it sounds awesome. It's the first "live-action" flick
to be shot digitally and then put directly on DVD (they do that for CG
flicks like "Monsters Inc.") and the picture is awesome (the review includes
screen saves so you can see for yourself). Whatever you think of the movie,
in picture, sound and extras, this DVD sets the new high-water mark. - - -
Jeff

Yeah, but I'd still rather have a POTA movie adaptation of Boulle's book.  That would be a DVD, by cracky!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/9/02 10:09:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Really?  Does the book explain why that kaleidoscopic scene went on for half an hour?  Maybe after the first ten minutes it just seemed like half an hour.  I'll bet if you timed it would only be five minutes.  It must be a time warp.

No, but yes it is a time warp, of a sort.  It's a star gate that takes the astronaut someplace far far away, like across the galaxy or to another galaxy in just those few minutes.  In the room at the end he spends the rest of his life, though he perceives it as passing in just moments.  It's a very spiritual movie and his Lord the High and Mighty loves it too, so monkey poo on all of YOU!

-- BLAH!!!!<.html

I heard from someone who got an advanced copy and he said that Lucas drops
some subtle and not so subtle hints regarding Episode 3, so beware if you are
goint to try avoiding spoilers on that one.

Matt

Just following Rory's lead:


[Unable to display image]

Z: "It says here that Patrick can't get to a computer, so he's decided to fax
his postings to each group member individually..."

U: "Damn him. Damn him all to hell."

Attachments :

OK, I guess that didn't work (How do you post pics into the emails anyways?)

Attached is the pic to go with my caption (Thanks to Kassidy!)


Matt

Now the pic got transformed to a MIME file! What the hell is going on? How do
I send a pic to the group?

Matt

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Is this what you were trying to do, Matt?


Zaius: "It says here that Patrick can't get to a
computer, so he's decided to fax his postings
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Thanks for the help Rory!

Matt

[Unable to display image]

Wife: That Patrick has the biggest....posts....I've ever seen....

Husband: Sheba....not in front of the boy....

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> > The ENTERPRISE isn't designed to land in its entirety:

the "saucer-section" CAN separate and land on landing legs (they're
in the official blueprints), but the complete ship (secondary hull &
engine nacelles and all) would be in a heap of trouble if they tried
to land it,

>
> The entire enterprise DID land. In an episode of Voyager. Or was

that ship called Voyager? I think it was an Enterprise. Or are you
talking about Enterprise NCC-1701 A or something like that

*** I rarely watch ST:Voyager, since most of the "new Trek" stuff
feels too much like derivative junk to me (I prefer "classic Trek"
and the better Trek movies), but I do believe that it was the Voyager
ship which landed completely; after all, the Voyager--throughout
its "lost-in-space-on-the-far-side-of-the-Galaxy" journey back to
Alpha Quadrant--is thousands of lightyears away from the Enterprise,
so it couldn't have been the Enterprise if you saw it on "Star Trek
Voyager".
The Enterprise was designed to do a "saucer separation"--even as far
back as the original one in the original series, though they never
actually DID one then. In "Encounter at Farpoint", the STTNG pilot
episode, and in the movie "Star Trek Generations" the Enterprise
("D") does a saucer-separation; just prior to this, they have to herd
everybody ("all those children, too!") into the saucer section, so
that the endangered secondary hull can be jettisoned.
It may be that the secondary hull, too, can be landed on separate
landing legs... but probably ONLY if the saucer section had been
separated from it first. The center of mass of the entire ship (both
primary hull (saucer) and secondary hull (cylinder-with-engine-
nacelles)) is probably somewhere around the "neck" of the ship; if
the intact ship were to actually land on some planet, it'd probably
keel over forwards, smashing the bottom of the front part of the
saucer section into the ground, and the saucer section's landing legs
could not touch the ground at the same time as the secondary hull's
landing legs, since they aren't on the same level.

Patrick

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] SF!!!

In a message dated 10/9/2002 6:55:06 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I would also say "Star Wars" is at the same level -- pulp SF.

Star Wars is a western.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:

> Now the pic got transformed to a MIME file! What the hell is going

on? How do

> I send a pic to the group?
>
> Matt

I saw it just fine on the actual pota group site
Kass

In a message dated 10/10/02 12:02:00 AM, valwp@... writes:

<< I saw it just fine on the actual pota group site >>

Kass,

Your site is fantastic. Thanks for uploading all of those great pics!

Matt

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

> I don't remember if this came up, but I was going through some

old newspapers and found an article credited to the New York Times
(published in the O. C. Register Aug. 16 2002). It says that last
year a team of molecular biologists at the University of Oxford
identified a language gene (ironically, dubbed FOXP2). It was found
during a study of a London family, 14 of the 29 members aren't
capable of articulate speech. The gene was identified and "is known
to switch on other genes during the development of the brain". The
gene remained largely unaltered during the evolution of mammals but
suddenly changed in humans after the hominid line had split from the
chimps. The human form of the gene seems to have become universal in
the human population, suggesting that it conferred some overwhelming
benefit. They say language developed about 100,000 years ago, a
relatively short time ago.

> I wonder if, from a POTA point of view, this gene could be used

to develop articulate apes down the line? If only Patrick were here!
God, please send Patrick here so he can tell us about this. - - - Jeff

*** Your "god" doesn't exist, Jeff... but, regardless, I am here, and
you don't need me to tell you about that article, since you yourself
have done the honors of mentioning it. I read a blurb somewhere,
either in the newspaper or in a magazine like DISCOVER or SCIENTIFIC
AMERICAN, sometime within the last month or so, mentioning this
curious gene. I would have to say, again, that the activation of just
such a gene would be required to morph "primitive" apes
into "evolved" apes--as well as other genes controlling the
development of the physiological anatomy required for vocal speech
(larynx, voice box, vocal cords, etc.), and the most probable way in
which these essential genes would appear SUDDENLY (i.e. within a
single generation, as depicted in CONQUEST) would be through the
intentional transgenic gene-splicing activities of someone (or some
group) which WANTS to breed species of intelligent, TALKING apes.
These genetic experimentations would have to be done for all three
ape species--chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans--in order for all
three species to exhibit intelligent speech. It would have to be
intentional... which leads one to wonder WHO the hell might intend to
do such a thing, and for what purpose.
People are railing against "genetically altered" foods, even though
the reasons for tampering with the crops are altruistic: to produce
higher amounts of food for a world with a burgeoning population
problem. Despite wars and disease epidemics, the human population
continues to skyrocket. How the hell are the starving masses going to
find food to eat? Humans have been selectively "breeding" crops for
thousands of years, producing bigger and better yields; think of
Virdon's advice in "The Good Seeds", about planting the bigger corn
seeds every planting season, in order to ensure that crops will tend
to yield larger and larger ears of corn at harvest time. Selective
breeding changes morphology just as much as gene-splicing does... but
some people are scared to death about the idea of vegetables being
purposely mutated by laboratory scientists.
Similarly, humans domesticated wild canines (wolves), turning them
into dogs. Some people speculate that the human species itself
was "domesticated" by a race of Extraterrestrial "gods" way-back-
when, making us to be the result of a selective breeding experiment.
If the "gods" of antiquity were breeders of human pets/slaves, then
maybe those "gods" are still around out there, somewhere, in Space
perhaps... and maybe THEY (in the POTA universe) feel that their
human servants are too uppity for their own good--so "they" decide to
breed a different species (or three) to be their obedient servants,
to be in competition with the humans for the "prize": the "rule" of
the planet. I've wondered how it is that Caesar, in his harangue at
the end of CONQUEST, could have had such a clear vision of the future
he intends--prior to Lisa's protestation--involving the founding of
an ape religion, an ape monarchy, an ape army... in a world
where "there shall be no place for humans, except to serve" the
purposes of the Apes. Caesar also seems to have had a prophetic
frenzy overcome him: he predicts that human cities will be "buried
under radioactive rubble". "When the sea is a dead sea, and the land
is a wasteland..." he rants. How does Caesar know this is going to
happen? He's not heard the accounts of his parents given to Hasslein
and his fellow interrogators (at least, so far as we know), and even
if he HAD, neither Zira nor Cornelius mentioned a nuclear war having
happened in their remote past (Cornelius mentions that the weapon
which probably destroyed the Earth was "Man's invention", but he
doesn't have a clue how Man could have accomplished this--only that
he did). How does Caesar know there's going to be a nuclear war
sometime in the near future? If he has been overtaken by "the spirit
of prophecy"--possessed, in some way, by some external
intelligence... by some being which can invade another's thoughts and
control them to some degree (as the Mutants do to Brent and Taylor)--
then it behooves us to wonder if the Nuclear War which happens
between CONQUEST and BATTLE really is the fault of the human
governments which built the bombs. If there's some intelligence at
work out there, pretending to be "god" and pulling the wool over the
gullible eyes of those who are willing to be fanatics for the sake of
their "god", and if that intelligence can speak through the
mouthpiece of a leader of a revolution (Caesar) about an impending
Apocalypse which eventually DOES come to pass... then who's really to
blame for the catastrophe which turns the "paradise" into a desert?

The "modus operandi" of the Biblical "god" was to punish His "chosen
people" by allowing foreign, pagan dictatorships to rule over them
(think Assyria over the northern kingdom of Israel, Babylon over the
southern kingdom of Judah... the Medo-Persians, then the Greeks, then
the Romans, then the Saracens (etc. etc.)...); Jerry Falwell got
roundly condemned for interpreting the Al Qaeda attacks on 9-11-2001
as God's punishment of America for its disobedience to His
commandments... even though that is a valid interpretation of how
his "god" acted all throughout so-called Biblical history. Despite
the fact that around 3000 innocent people died that day, Jerry seems
to feel that ALL Americans must "repent" and start obeying what he
thinks the Will of God is (anti-porn, anti-abortion, anti-feminism,
anti-homosexual, etc.) in order to assuage the wrath of Jehovah. I
would argue that this so-called "god" doesn't exist at all... but
even if He DID exist, it still wouldn't justify His murdering of
innocent people. There were babies on those hijacked planes,
Jehovah... try convincing me that THEY deserved to die at the hands
of Allah-worshipping fanatics!
The "modus operandi" of "god"--as portrayed in Revelation--involves
the purposeful annihilation of BILLIONS of human beings (and animals,
and plant life, etc.): "When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the
voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" And I saw, and
behold, a pale horse, and its rider's name was Death, and Hades
followed him; and they were given power over a fourth of the earth,
to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild
beasts of the earth." (Revelation, 6:7-8). They were "given power"...
by Whom? By "god" of course! The god of the Bible is a mass-murderer,
bent on slaughtering the vast majority of humanity with War
("sword"), Famine, Disease, and "by wild beasts of the earth". I
wonder if the "wild beasts" John the Revelator mentions would include
Apes?

Patrick

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Galen: Alright, Virdon, you just keep smiling
              for the camera and pretend that everything
              is normal and I won't tell eveybody what
              I saw you and Burke doing out in the bushes.

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--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/6/02 6:43:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
>
> > Sorry, "The Thing" remake is not as highly regarded. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
>
> Sorry to disagree with you there, O High One, but THE THING remake

is much

> better regarded now than THE FLY remake. Believe me, I know.
>
> -- Rory

*** The remake of THE FLY was dramatically much better, and the idea
of the teleporter gene-splicing Jeff Goldblum with the fly made it
somewhat more plausible (as SF) than the exchange of heads in the
original.
The best thing about Carpenter's remake of THE THING was the
magnificent special effects work by Rob Bottin. Thank god (or
Whoever) that it was made before the age of the not-very-believable
CGI monsters (like "The Mummy" and the Rock as the half-scorpion guy
in its sequel)! When that one guy's head detaches from the body, and
big spider-like legs sprout out of it, and it scampers off to the
hallway... Jeezus, but those effects were astounding!
The effects alone were worth watching that flick. And it's still one
of Carpenter's better films... certainly better than his last half-a-
dozen movies.

Patrick

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/6/02 8:36:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
>
> > I seriously think this group should organise a weekend there.
> >
> > Then we could argue face to face, and I can almost guarantee I'm

bigger

> > than any of you!
> >
> > Jeff, could you invite Bill and Natalie?
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
> It would be nice, and I got first dibs on drowning Patrick in the

rock pool.

>
> -- Rory

*** Hah! I won't be anywhere near the rock pool. Look for
me "slipping the banana" to Nova near the corn field...

Patrick

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--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:

> How about Silence of the Lambs? (I'm sitting here with a guy from

work who says Red Dragon is just as good).

>
> Matt

*** I just saw "RED DRAGON" earlier today. Much truer to Thomas
Harris' book than was "MANHUNTER" (which, nonetheless, was still a
good film). I thought it was great, even though I knew how it was
going to end; seeing "SILENCE OF THE LAMBS" in the theater without
having read the book first had more of an effect, of course
(especially Lecter's escape--hooboy!). Still, it's a damn fine movie,
and the stuff that's added in (mostly in the beginning, dramatizing
how Will Graham catches Hannibal Lecter--rather than a mere
reminiscence, as the novel has it) helps to make it even better.
Great music, too--reminiscent of the soundtrack to "Silence".

Patrick

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*** The remake of THE FLY was dramatically much better, and the idea
of the teleporter gene-splicing Jeff Goldblum with the fly made it
somewhat more plausible (as SF) than the exchange of heads in the
original.

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--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Look at the statistics Jeff.
>
> US violent crime (involving firearms) is about 20 000 to one on us

here. Our population is 15 million, so if the poulation of the US is
300 Billion then we are about square!

>
> UK has even less violent crime per capita.
>
> The evidence is there - tighter controls means it is HARDER for

people to use firearms. You rule out the rash decision to pick up a
weapon that can do a lot of damage.

>
> But people like Chuck stamp their feet and say "I want my gun". So

they get their gun.

>
> Michael

*** How many gun-related crimes are committed by repeat offenders? If
murderers would be put to death after their first murder, rather than
sit in a prison cell for 10 to 20 years, then at least they would not
have the opportunity to add to the death toll. Once any person
violates the inalienable right of another to Life, then that murderer
forfeits his/her own life, and it is the right--the Duty, even--for
society to end that forfeited life. It isn't cruel or unusual to do
so; I would argue that it is cruel to society at large to allow the
murderers who ARE caught/tried/convicted to continue to live,
breathing the same air that decent people breathe. The death penalty
IS a deterrent--it deters convicted murderers from committing MORE
murders after they either get out of prison after "serving their
time" or by escaping from prison. And if executions were televised on
NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX (etc.), and if EVERYBODY could witness the
just ending of the forfeited lives of murderers, I think that THAT
would serve as a deterrent for many would-be killers out there.
The "bleeding hearts" will never sit still for that, though. Not
until somebody they love is senselessly murdered,like those poor
random victims of this Tarot-card-dropping psychopath driving around
the D.C. area.

Patrick

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--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

> Personally, I've never understood the appeal of guns. Maybe it's

the power they represent. Even as a kid I had a BB gun I rarely used
(it was a present). To me they represent the first of mankind's
weapons of mass destruction. Supposedly the Winchester dude who
invented that rifle went nuts it played on his mind so. He built the
famed Winchester house with all kinds of doors and things that lead
no where. He kept building it. Anyway, I don't see the appeal of
collecting and celebrating them. But that's just

> me. - - - Jeff

*** Back when Barry Windsor Smith was drawing Marvel's "CONAN" comic
book, they had a story involving Conan being trained in the use of
the bow-and-arrow (a weapon rather new to him--he was a sword-
wielding teenager from Cimmeria back then). Conan's gut-reaction to
the mere idea of the bow-and-arrow was that it was a coward's weapon,
allowing a lesser person to kill a better man from a safe distance,
thus avoiding man-to-man combat.
Ironically, the same could be said about the sword: it gives its
wielder a three-foot advantage (against somebody without a sword with
which to fight back, that is).
Eventually, Conan becomes proficient in the use of the bow, and in
many further adventures he uses it to kill all sorts of warriors (and
wild animals and Hyborean monsters) who out-number him and are trying
to do him in.
The long bow won the day at Agincourt, when Henry Vth defeated the
superior numbers of French cavalry. The atomic bombs dropped by the
U.S.A. on Imperial Japan won the Second World War. Like it or not,
superior technology decides who lives and who dies... which culture
prevails and which one goes down in flames.
The gun gives its wielder an edge... unless EVERYBODY also has a gun.
Isn't that how it is in Switzerland? Every household is armed, and
everybody there knows it? Thus, would-be breaking-and-entering types
are less likely to try it... knowing they'd get their ass shot off by
Mr. Switzer.
Like it or not, the Gun is NOT going to be "unmade" anytime soon. If
Jeanie could cross her arms and blink >bloing!!!<, magically making
all firearms disappear, even then the "problem" wouldn't be solved.
The Al-Qaeda swine who hijacked the jets on 9-11 used BOX-CUTTERS to
kill flight attendants and pilots, for Pete's sake! Just ONE armed
marshall on each plane could have foiled that plan and saved the
lives of some 3000 people that day... but Bin Laden and his ilk knew--
and relied upon the fact--that there would be no armed resistance
against them.
It is the belief that it is alright to kill innocent civilians ("for
the sake of Allah") that led to those acts; America was founded on
the notion that ALL human beings ("men", meaning Mankind) have
INALIENABLE (i.e. "untake-away-able") RIGHTS to LIFE, LIBERTY, and
the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Until children all around the world are
inculcated with that enlightened ideology from the Age of Reason,
rather than indoctrinated into hating other
races/nationalities/religions/etc., there will always be bloody
carnage on our planet. Unfortunately, in America (of all places!)
the "enlightened ideology" I spoke of is not vigorously taught in
public schools, when its formative influence would be most prevalent.
It isn't the Gun which kills... it's the hard heart that kills. An
ideology which respects human life--even so much as to warrant the
taking of lives of those who forfeit their own--is the best tool to
bring down the body count.
In my humble opinion.

Patrick

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> [Unable to display image]
> You did this to him, you bloody baboon!
> And you want to do the same to Patrick!
>
> Wait a minute. . . ?
> Hey Z, you beautiful ape!
> No offense mean by that bloody baboon crack.

*** I'd rather have a bottle in front of me...

Patrick

P.S. Rory, who are you to call Veetus "Gay", when you're the poofdah
who wants to tie me up all S&M style? You monkey-spanker, you!

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Wow Patrick, I read a whole one of your posts and enjoyed it. 

It isn't the Gun which kills... it's the hard heart that kills.

No, it's not guns that kill people.  It's bullets that kill people.
Perhaps we could register ammo, and make them account
for all rounds fired.  No, those damned reloaders are the
bane of our existence, them and the bicyclists!

Name the movie I'm paraphrasing and win a cookie.

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And if executions were televised on NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX (etc.), and if
EVERYBODY could witness the just ending of the forfeited lives of murderers,
I think that THAT would serve as a deterrent for many would-be killers out
there.

Wow, pretty harsh there Pat.
But you know, they ought to send the guy to Utah.
Why Utah? Because they still have the firing squad.
He ought to get a taste of his own medicine, or at least
hang him. They still have that out there too. It's probably
not an Islamic terrorist. If one bought tarot cards you're
likely to remember him.