--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> No, it's not guns that kill people.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 14:42
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Language gene
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > I don't remember if this came up, but I was going through some
> old newspapers and found an article credited to the New York Times
> (published in the O. C. Register Aug. 16 2002). It says that last
> year a team of molecular biologists at the University of Oxford
> identified a language gene (ironically, dubbed FOXP2). It was found
> during a study of a London family, 14 of the 29 members aren't
> capable of articulate speech. The gene was identified and "is known
> to switch on other genes during the development of the brain". The
> gene remained largely unaltered during the evolution of mammals but
> suddenly changed in humans after the hominid line had split from the
> chimps. The human form of the gene seems to have become universal in
> the human population, suggesting that it conferred some overwhelming
> benefit. They say language developed about 100,000 years ago, a
> relatively short time ago.
> > I wonder if, from a POTA point of view, this gene could be used
> to develop articulate apes down the line? If only Patrick were here!
> God, please send Patrick here so he can tell us about this. - - - Jeff
>
> *** Your "god" doesn't exist, Jeff... but, regardless, I am here, and
> you don't need me to tell you about that article, since you yourself
> have done the honors of mentioning it. I read a blurb somewhere,
> either in the newspaper or in a magazine like DISCOVER or SCIENTIFIC
> AMERICAN, sometime within the last month or so, mentioning this
> curious gene. I would have to say, again, that the activation of just
> such a gene would be required to morph "primitive" apes
> into "evolved" apes--as well as other genes controlling the
> development of the physiological anatomy required for vocal speech
> (larynx, voice box, vocal cords, etc.), and the most probable way in
> which these essential genes would appear SUDDENLY (i.e. within a
> single generation, as depicted in CONQUEST) would be through the
> intentional transgenic gene-splicing activities of someone (or some
> group) which WANTS to breed species of intelligent, TALKING apes.
> These genetic experimentations would have to be done for all three
> ape species--chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans--in order for all
> three species to exhibit intelligent speech. It would have to be
> intentional... which leads one to wonder WHO the hell might intend to
> do such a thing, and for what purpose.
> People are railing against "genetically altered" foods, even though
> the reasons for tampering with the crops are altruistic: to produce
> higher amounts of food for a world with a burgeoning population
> problem. Despite wars and disease epidemics, the human population
> continues to skyrocket. How the hell are the starving masses going to
> find food to eat? Humans have been selectively "breeding" crops for
> thousands of years, producing bigger and better yields; think of
> Virdon's advice in "The Good Seeds", about planting the bigger corn
> seeds every planting season, in order to ensure that crops will tend
> to yield larger and larger ears of corn at harvest time. Selective
> breeding changes morphology just as much as gene-splicing does... but
> some people are scared to death about the idea of vegetables being
> purposely mutated by laboratory scientists.
> Similarly, humans domesticated wild canines (wolves), turning them
> into dogs. Some people speculate that the human species itself
> was "domesticated" by a race of Extraterrestrial "gods" way-back-
> when, making us to be the result of a selective breeding experiment.
> If the "gods" of antiquity were breeders of human pets/slaves, then
> maybe those "gods" are still around out there, somewhere, in Space
> perhaps... and maybe THEY (in the POTA universe) feel that their
> human servants are too uppity for their own good--so "they" decide to
> breed a different species (or three) to be their obedient servants,
> to be in competition with the humans for the "prize": the "rule" of
> the planet. I've wondered how it is that Caesar, in his harangue at
> the end of CONQUEST, could have had such a clear vision of the future
> he intends--prior to Lisa's protestation--involving the founding of
> an ape religion, an ape monarchy, an ape army... in a world
> where "there shall be no place for humans, except to serve" the
> purposes of the Apes. Caesar also seems to have had a prophetic
> frenzy overcome him: he predicts that human cities will be "buried
> under radioactive rubble". "When the sea is a dead sea, and the land
> is a wasteland..." he rants. How does Caesar know this is going to
> happen? He's not heard the accounts of his parents given to Hasslein
> and his fellow interrogators (at least, so far as we know), and even
> if he HAD, neither Zira nor Cornelius mentioned a nuclear war having
> happened in their remote past (Cornelius mentions that the weapon
> which probably destroyed the Earth was "Man's invention", but he
> doesn't have a clue how Man could have accomplished this--only that
> he did). How does Caesar know there's going to be a nuclear war
> sometime in the near future? If he has been overtaken by "the spirit
> of prophecy"--possessed, in some way, by some external
> intelligence... by some being which can invade another's thoughts and
> control them to some degree (as the Mutants do to Brent and Taylor)--
> then it behooves us to wonder if the Nuclear War which happens
> between CONQUEST and BATTLE really is the fault of the human
> governments which built the bombs. If there's some intelligence at
> work out there, pretending to be "god" and pulling the wool over the
> gullible eyes of those who are willing to be fanatics for the sake of
> their "god", and if that intelligence can speak through the
> mouthpiece of a leader of a revolution (Caesar) about an impending
> Apocalypse which eventually DOES come to pass... then who's really to
> blame for the catastrophe which turns the "paradise" into a desert?
>
> The "modus operandi" of the Biblical "god" was to punish His "chosen
> people" by allowing foreign, pagan dictatorships to rule over them
> (think Assyria over the northern kingdom of Israel, Babylon over the
> southern kingdom of Judah... the Medo-Persians, then the Greeks, then
> the Romans, then the Saracens (etc. etc.)...); Jerry Falwell got
> roundly condemned for interpreting the Al Qaeda attacks on 9-11-2001
> as God's punishment of America for its disobedience to His
> commandments... even though that is a valid interpretation of how
> his "god" acted all throughout so-called Biblical history. Despite
> the fact that around 3000 innocent people died that day, Jerry seems
> to feel that ALL Americans must "repent" and start obeying what he
> thinks the Will of God is (anti-porn, anti-abortion, anti-feminism,
> anti-homosexual, etc.) in order to assuage the wrath of Jehovah. I
> would argue that this so-called "god" doesn't exist at all... but
> even if He DID exist, it still wouldn't justify His murdering of
> innocent people. There were babies on those hijacked planes,
> Jehovah... try convincing me that THEY deserved to die at the hands
> of Allah-worshipping fanatics!
> The "modus operandi" of "god"--as portrayed in Revelation--involves
> the purposeful annihilation of BILLIONS of human beings (and animals,
> and plant life, etc.): "When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the
> voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" And I saw, and
> behold, a pale horse, and its rider's name was Death, and Hades
> followed him; and they were given power over a fourth of the earth,
> to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild
> beasts of the earth." (Revelation, 6:7-8). They were "given power"...
> by Whom? By "god" of course! The god of the Bible is a mass-murderer,
> bent on slaughtering the vast majority of humanity with War
> ("sword"), Famine, Disease, and "by wild beasts of the earth". I
> wonder if the "wild beasts" John the Revelator mentions would include
> Apes?
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 15:02
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Malibu Creek
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/6/02 8:36:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > whitty@c... writes:
> >
> >
> > > I seriously think this group should organise a weekend there.
> > >
> > > Then we could argue face to face, and I can almost guarantee I'm
> bigger
> > > than any of you!
> > >
> > > Jeff, could you invite Bill and Natalie?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> >
> > It would be nice, and I got first dibs on drowning Patrick in the
> rock pool.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> *** Hah! I won't be anywhere near the rock pool. Look for
> me "slipping the banana" to Nova near the corn field...
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 15:37
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Look at the statistics Jeff.
> >
> > US violent crime (involving firearms) is about 20 000 to one on us
> here. Our population is 15 million, so if the poulation of the US is
> 300 Billion then we are about square!
> >
> > UK has even less violent crime per capita.
> >
> > The evidence is there - tighter controls means it is HARDER for
> people to use firearms. You rule out the rash decision to pick up a
> weapon that can do a lot of damage.
> >
> > But people like Chuck stamp their feet and say "I want my gun". So
> they get their gun.
> >
> > Michael
>
> *** How many gun-related crimes are committed by repeat offenders? If
> murderers would be put to death after their first murder, rather than
> sit in a prison cell for 10 to 20 years, then at least they would not
> have the opportunity to add to the death toll. Once any person
> violates the inalienable right of another to Life, then that murderer
> forfeits his/her own life, and it is the right--the Duty, even--for
> society to end that forfeited life. It isn't cruel or unusual to do
> so; I would argue that it is cruel to society at large to allow the
> murderers who ARE caught/tried/convicted to continue to live,
> breathing the same air that decent people breathe. The death penalty
> IS a deterrent--it deters convicted murderers from committing MORE
> murders after they either get out of prison after "serving their
> time" or by escaping from prison. And if executions were televised on
> NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX (etc.), and if EVERYBODY could witness the
> just ending of the forfeited lives of murderers, I think that THAT
> would serve as a deterrent for many would-be killers out there.
> The "bleeding hearts" will never sit still for that, though. Not
> until somebody they love is senselessly murdered,like those poor
> random victims of this Tarot-card-dropping psychopath driving around
> the D.C. area.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 16:26
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA pic
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > [Unable to display image]
> > You did this to him, you bloody baboon!
> > And you want to do the same to Patrick!
> >
> > Wait a minute. . . ?
> > Hey Z, you beautiful ape!
> > No offense mean by that bloody baboon crack.
>
> *** I'd rather have a bottle in front of me...
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. Rory, who are you to call Veetus "Gay", when you're the poofdah
> who wants to tie me up all S&M style? You monkey-spanker, you!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> It's OK Patrick I've changed my mind.
>
> Kill him, T.
>
> Plead temporary insanity. We have his posts, they will believe
you!
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 15:37
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > Look at the statistics Jeff.
> > >
> > > US violent crime (involving firearms) is about 20 000 to one
on us
> > here. Our population is 15 million, so if the poulation of the
US is
> > 300 Billion then we are about square!
> > >
> > > UK has even less violent crime per capita.
> > >
> > > The evidence is there - tighter controls means it is HARDER for
> > people to use firearms. You rule out the rash decision to pick
up a
> > weapon that can do a lot of damage.
> > >
> > > But people like Chuck stamp their feet and say "I want my
gun". So
> > they get their gun.
> > >
> > > Michael
> >
> > *** How many gun-related crimes are committed by repeat
offenders? If
> > murderers would be put to death after their first murder, rather
than
> > sit in a prison cell for 10 to 20 years, then at least they
would not
> > have the opportunity to add to the death toll. Once any person
> > violates the inalienable right of another to Life, then that
murderer
> > forfeits his/her own life, and it is the right--the Duty, even--
for
> > society to end that forfeited life. It isn't cruel or unusual to
do
> > so; I would argue that it is cruel to society at large to allow
the
> > murderers who ARE caught/tried/convicted to continue to live,
> > breathing the same air that decent people breathe. The death
penalty
> > IS a deterrent--it deters convicted murderers from committing
MORE
> > murders after they either get out of prison after "serving their
> > time" or by escaping from prison. And if executions were
televised on
> > NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX (etc.), and if EVERYBODY could witness
the
> > just ending of the forfeited lives of murderers, I think that
THAT
> > would serve as a deterrent for many would-be killers out there.
> > The "bleeding hearts" will never sit still for that, though. Not
> > until somebody they love is senselessly murdered,like those poor
> > random victims of this Tarot-card-dropping psychopath driving
around
> > the D.C. area.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 22:01
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)
>
>
> Michael,
> When I read hateful, ignorant posts like his; I think the world
> might be better off if apes were in charge.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > It's OK Patrick I've changed my mind.
> >
> > Kill him, T.
> >
> > Plead temporary insanity. We have his posts, they will believe
> you!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 15:37
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > Look at the statistics Jeff.
> > > >
> > > > US violent crime (involving firearms) is about 20 000 to one
> on us
> > > here. Our population is 15 million, so if the poulation of the
> US is
> > > 300 Billion then we are about square!
> > > >
> > > > UK has even less violent crime per capita.
> > > >
> > > > The evidence is there - tighter controls means it is HARDER for
> > > people to use firearms. You rule out the rash decision to pick
> up a
> > > weapon that can do a lot of damage.
> > > >
> > > > But people like Chuck stamp their feet and say "I want my
> gun". So
> > > they get their gun.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > >
> > > *** How many gun-related crimes are committed by repeat
> offenders? If
> > > murderers would be put to death after their first murder, rather
> than
> > > sit in a prison cell for 10 to 20 years, then at least they
> would not
> > > have the opportunity to add to the death toll. Once any person
> > > violates the inalienable right of another to Life, then that
> murderer
> > > forfeits his/her own life, and it is the right--the Duty, even--
> for
> > > society to end that forfeited life. It isn't cruel or unusual to
> do
> > > so; I would argue that it is cruel to society at large to allow
> the
> > > murderers who ARE caught/tried/convicted to continue to live,
> > > breathing the same air that decent people breathe. The death
> penalty
> > > IS a deterrent--it deters convicted murderers from committing
> MORE
> > > murders after they either get out of prison after "serving their
> > > time" or by escaping from prison. And if executions were
> televised on
> > > NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX (etc.), and if EVERYBODY could witness
> the
> > > just ending of the forfeited lives of murderers, I think that
> THAT
> > > would serve as a deterrent for many would-be killers out there.
> > > The "bleeding hearts" will never sit still for that, though. Not
> > > until somebody they love is senselessly murdered,like those poor
> > > random victims of this Tarot-card-dropping psychopath driving
> around
> > > the D.C. area.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:42 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Language gene


> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > I don't remember if this came up, but I was going through some
> old newspapers and found an article credited to the New York Times
> (published in the O. C. Register Aug. 16 2002). It says that last
> year a team of molecular biologists at the University of Oxford
> identified a language gene (ironically, dubbed FOXP2). It was found
> during a study of a London family, 14 of the 29 members aren't
> capable of articulate speech. The gene was identified and "is known
> to switch on other genes during the development of the brain". The
> gene remained largely unaltered during the evolution of mammals but
> suddenly changed in humans after the hominid line had split from the
> chimps. The human form of the gene seems to have become universal in
> the human population, suggesting that it conferred some overwhelming
> benefit. They say language developed about 100,000 years ago, a
> relatively short time ago.
> > I wonder if, from a POTA point of view, this gene could be used
> to develop articulate apes down the line? If only Patrick were here!
> God, please send Patrick here so he can tell us about this. - - - Jeff
>
> *** Your "god" doesn't exist, Jeff... but, regardless, I am here, and
> you don't need me to tell you about that article, since you yourself
> have done the honors of mentioning it. I read a blurb somewhere,
> either in the newspaper or in a magazine like DISCOVER or SCIENTIFIC
> AMERICAN, sometime within the last month or so, mentioning this
> curious gene. I would have to say, again, that the activation of just
> such a gene would be required to morph "primitive" apes
> into "evolved" apes--as well as other genes controlling the
> development of the physiological anatomy required for vocal speech
> (larynx, voice box, vocal cords, etc.), and the most probable way in
> which these essential genes would appear SUDDENLY (i.e. within a
> single generation, as depicted in CONQUEST) would be through the
> intentional transgenic gene-splicing activities of someone (or some
> group) which WANTS to breed species of intelligent, TALKING apes.
> These genetic experimentations would have to be done for all three
> ape species--chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans--in order for all
> three species to exhibit intelligent speech. It would have to be
> intentional... which leads one to wonder WHO the hell might intend to
> do such a thing, and for what purpose.
> People are railing against "genetically altered" foods, even though
> the reasons for tampering with the crops are altruistic: to produce
> higher amounts of food for a world with a burgeoning population
> problem. Despite wars and disease epidemics, the human population
> continues to skyrocket. How the hell are the starving masses going to
> find food to eat? Humans have been selectively "breeding" crops for
> thousands of years, producing bigger and better yields; think of
> Virdon's advice in "The Good Seeds", about planting the bigger corn
> seeds every planting season, in order to ensure that crops will tend
> to yield larger and larger ears of corn at harvest time. Selective
> breeding changes morphology just as much as gene-splicing does... but
> some people are scared to death about the idea of vegetables being
> purposely mutated by laboratory scientists.
> Similarly, humans domesticated wild canines (wolves), turning them
> into dogs. Some people speculate that the human species itself
> was "domesticated" by a race of Extraterrestrial "gods" way-back-
> when, making us to be the result of a selective breeding experiment.
> If the "gods" of antiquity were breeders of human pets/slaves, then
> maybe those "gods" are still around out there, somewhere, in Space
> perhaps... and maybe THEY (in the POTA universe) feel that their
> human servants are too uppity for their own good--so "they" decide to
> breed a different species (or three) to be their obedient servants,
> to be in competition with the humans for the "prize": the "rule" of
> the planet. I've wondered how it is that Caesar, in his harangue at
> the end of CONQUEST, could have had such a clear vision of the future
> he intends--prior to Lisa's protestation--involving the founding of
> an ape religion, an ape monarchy, an ape army... in a world
> where "there shall be no place for humans, except to serve" the
> purposes of the Apes. Caesar also seems to have had a prophetic
> frenzy overcome him: he predicts that human cities will be "buried
> under radioactive rubble". "When the sea is a dead sea, and the land
> is a wasteland..." he rants. How does Caesar know this is going to
> happen? He's not heard the accounts of his parents given to Hasslein
> and his fellow interrogators (at least, so far as we know), and even
> if he HAD, neither Zira nor Cornelius mentioned a nuclear war having
> happened in their remote past (Cornelius mentions that the weapon
> which probably destroyed the Earth was "Man's invention", but he
> doesn't have a clue how Man could have accomplished this--only that
> he did). How does Caesar know there's going to be a nuclear war
> sometime in the near future? If he has been overtaken by "the spirit
> of prophecy"--possessed, in some way, by some external
> intelligence... by some being which can invade another's thoughts and
> control them to some degree (as the Mutants do to Brent and Taylor)--
> then it behooves us to wonder if the Nuclear War which happens
> between CONQUEST and BATTLE really is the fault of the human
> governments which built the bombs. If there's some intelligence at
> work out there, pretending to be "god" and pulling the wool over the
> gullible eyes of those who are willing to be fanatics for the sake of
> their "god", and if that intelligence can speak through the
> mouthpiece of a leader of a revolution (Caesar) about an impending
> Apocalypse which eventually DOES come to pass... then who's really to
> blame for the catastrophe which turns the "paradise" into a desert?
>
> The "modus operandi" of the Biblical "god" was to punish His "chosen
> people" by allowing foreign, pagan dictatorships to rule over them
> (think Assyria over the northern kingdom of Israel, Babylon over the
> southern kingdom of Judah... the Medo-Persians, then the Greeks, then
> the Romans, then the Saracens (etc. etc.)...); Jerry Falwell got
> roundly condemned for interpreting the Al Qaeda attacks on 9-11-2001
> as God's punishment of America for its disobedience to His
> commandments... even though that is a valid interpretation of how
> his "god" acted all throughout so-called Biblical history. Despite
> the fact that around 3000 innocent people died that day, Jerry seems
> to feel that ALL Americans must "repent" and start obeying what he
> thinks the Will of God is (anti-porn, anti-abortion, anti-feminism,
> anti-homosexual, etc.) in order to assuage the wrath of Jehovah. I
> would argue that this so-called "god" doesn't exist at all... but
> even if He DID exist, it still wouldn't justify His murdering of
> innocent people. There were babies on those hijacked planes,
> Jehovah... try convincing me that THEY deserved to die at the hands
> of Allah-worshipping fanatics!
> The "modus operandi" of "god"--as portrayed in Revelation--involves
> the purposeful annihilation of BILLIONS of human beings (and animals,
> and plant life, etc.): "When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the
> voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" And I saw, and
> behold, a pale horse, and its rider's name was Death, and Hades
> followed him; and they were given power over a fourth of the earth,
> to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild
> beasts of the earth." (Revelation, 6:7-8). They were "given power"...
> by Whom? By "god" of course! The god of the Bible is a mass-murderer,
> bent on slaughtering the vast majority of humanity with War
> ("sword"), Famine, Disease, and "by wild beasts of the earth". I
> wonder if the "wild beasts" John the Revelator mentions would include
> Apes?
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:26 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Essential SF Films

In a message dated 10/10/02 1:17:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** The remake of THE FLY was dramatically much better, and the idea
of the teleporter gene-splicing Jeff Goldblum with the fly made it
somewhat more plausible (as SF) than the exchange of heads in the
original.

I agree, but the ending just ruined it for me.  The original is absurd, but haunting.  The remake is just gross and, for me, forgettable.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Weapons (OT)


> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Personally, I've never understood the appeal of guns. Maybe it's
> the power they represent. Even as a kid I had a BB gun I rarely used
> (it was a present). To me they represent the first of mankind's
> weapons of mass destruction. Supposedly the Winchester dude who
> invented that rifle went nuts it played on his mind so. He built the
> famed Winchester house with all kinds of doors and things that lead
> no where. He kept building it. Anyway, I don't see the appeal of
> collecting and celebrating them. But that's just
> > me. - - - Jeff
>
> *** Back when Barry Windsor Smith was drawing Marvel's "CONAN" comic
> book, they had a story involving Conan being trained in the use of
> the bow-and-arrow (a weapon rather new to him--he was a sword-
> wielding teenager from Cimmeria back then). Conan's gut-reaction to
> the mere idea of the bow-and-arrow was that it was a coward's weapon,
> allowing a lesser person to kill a better man from a safe distance,
> thus avoiding man-to-man combat.
> Ironically, the same could be said about the sword: it gives its
> wielder a three-foot advantage (against somebody without a sword with
> which to fight back, that is).
> Eventually, Conan becomes proficient in the use of the bow, and in
> many further adventures he uses it to kill all sorts of warriors (and
> wild animals and Hyborean monsters) who out-number him and are trying
> to do him in.
> The long bow won the day at Agincourt, when Henry Vth defeated the
> superior numbers of French cavalry. The atomic bombs dropped by the
> U.S.A. on Imperial Japan won the Second World War. Like it or not,
> superior technology decides who lives and who dies... which culture
> prevails and which one goes down in flames.
> The gun gives its wielder an edge... unless EVERYBODY also has a gun.
> Isn't that how it is in Switzerland? Every household is armed, and
> everybody there knows it? Thus, would-be breaking-and-entering types
> are less likely to try it... knowing they'd get their ass shot off by
> Mr. Switzer.
> Like it or not, the Gun is NOT going to be "unmade" anytime soon. If
> Jeanie could cross her arms and blink >bloing!!!<, magically making
> all firearms disappear, even then the "problem" wouldn't be solved.
> The Al-Qaeda swine who hijacked the jets on 9-11 used BOX-CUTTERS to
> kill flight attendants and pilots, for Pete's sake! Just ONE armed
> marshall on each plane could have foiled that plan and saved the
> lives of some 3000 people that day... but Bin Laden and his ilk knew--
> and relied upon the fact--that there would be no armed resistance
> against them.
> It is the belief that it is alright to kill innocent civilians ("for
> the sake of Allah") that led to those acts; America was founded on
> the notion that ALL human beings ("men", meaning Mankind) have
> INALIENABLE (i.e. "untake-away-able") RIGHTS to LIFE, LIBERTY, and
> the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Until children all around the world are
> inculcated with that enlightened ideology from the Age of Reason,
> rather than indoctrinated into hating other
> races/nationalities/religions/etc., there will always be bloody
> carnage on our planet. Unfortunately, in America (of all places!)
> the "enlightened ideology" I spoke of is not vigorously taught in
> public schools, when its formative influence would be most prevalent.
> It isn't the Gun which kills... it's the hard heart that kills. An
> ideology which respects human life--even so much as to warrant the
> taking of lives of those who forfeit their own--is the best tool to
> bring down the body count.
> In my humble opinion.
>
> Patrick
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA pic


> Patrick, you assume that calling you gay is insulting, sweetie.
>
> Pooftas rule.
>
> Look behind the bushes Patrick.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 16:26
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA pic
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > [Unable to display image]
> > > You did this to him, you bloody baboon!
> > > And you want to do the same to Patrick!
> > >
> > > Wait a minute. . . ?
> > > Hey Z, you beautiful ape!
> > > No offense mean by that bloody baboon crack.
> >
> > *** I'd rather have a bottle in front of me...
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > P.S. Rory, who are you to call Veetus "Gay", when you're the poofdah
> > who wants to tie me up all S&M style? You monkey-spanker, you!
> >
> >
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> See, Kass? Everyone here wants to see Burke and Virdon together. -

>
> Speak for yourself!
> I'd rather see Burke with that dominatrix, Wanda!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kassidy Rae [valwp@...]
> Sent: Friday, 11 October 2002 4:08
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA pic
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > See, Kass? Everyone here wants to see Burke and Virdon together. -
> - -
> >
> > Speak for yourself!
> > I'd rather see Burke with that dominatrix, Wanda!
>
> Dearest Goober Studmuffin, its so sweet how you guys have expended
> all that frustrated energy of yours in exploring the various possible
> scenarios twixt and tween the three.... but really, I had to laugh at
> some of those captions, those were good.
>
> T, are you sure you want to see Burke with Wanda? You never know what
> I might turn up....
> Wink wink,
> The Raisinette
>
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--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> See, Kass? Everyone here wants to see Burke and Virdon
together. - - -
> Studmuffin
>

----- Original Message -----

From: JamesA1102@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:20 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA pics

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--- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> James,
> I don't want to sound ungrateful but could you please send your
pics via Rory to post ( or some alternative method) . For some reason
your pics seem to take FOREVER to download. I don't know why that is
and I gather no one else seems to have a problem. I certainly don't
with anyone else's attachments, just yours.
> Thanks for your understanding and I hate to be a 'Party
Pooper'...although I'm quite good at it.
> Best,
> KEN

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:07 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA pic


> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > See, Kass? Everyone here wants to see Burke and Virdon together. -
> - -
> >
> > Speak for yourself!
> > I'd rather see Burke with that dominatrix, Wanda!
>
> Dearest Goober Studmuffin, its so sweet how you guys have expended
> all that frustrated energy of yours in exploring the various possible
> scenarios twixt and tween the three.... but really, I had to laugh at
> some of those captions, those were good.
>
> T, are you sure you want to see Burke with Wanda? You never know what
> I might turn up....
> Wink wink,
> The Raisinette
>
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--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Hey, they take forever for me to download too. I just deleted most of his
> stuff last night, I was too busy. Maybe James is scanning these things
> himself? If so, he needs to do something to compress them more.
>
> -- Rory

----- Original Message -----
From: <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 2:45 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Pics (OT)


> OK is this one any better? Let me know. FYI I'm at work now so it's not a
POTA pic.
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > Hey, they take forever for me to download too. I just deleted most of
his
> > stuff last night, I was too busy. Maybe James is scanning these things
> > himself? If so, he needs to do something to compress them more.
> >
> > -- Rory
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--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Here's how it came out. Was it this grainy originally?
>
> [Unable to display image]

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:54 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] One Aussie's opinion

Hey Mike and Ken, here's what an Aussie left on the IMDb.com a few days ago.  You Australians sure love POTA!

Infofreak
Perth, Australia

Date: 3 October 2002
Summary: Still one of the most entertaining SF movies ever made!

I grew up on 'Planet Of The Apes'. I can't even remember exactly the first time I saw it, but I would have been less than ten years old. At that time it was one of the most amazing movies I'd ever seen, and had a massive impact on me. Of course many movies that knock you at as a child don't hold your interest when you're older and (hopefully!) wiser, but this movie is still as entertaining now as it was then. Charlton Heston's other big SF movie 'The Omega Man' is now a guilty pleasure. Silly but hugely enjoyable hokum. But 'Planet Of The Apes' is anything but an embarrassment. It really stands up well. The other great SF movie of 1968 was '2001'. '..Apes' isn't in the same intellectual or technical league, but I know which movie is better from a sheer entertainment value. Heston is perfectly cast as the blustery misanthrope Taylor, and the supporting ape cast of Kim Hunter, Roddy McDowall, Maurice Evans, Buck Kartalian,etc. are all wonderful. The only really weak link is Linda Harrison as Nova, but she is only really included as eye candy, and on that score she does her job well. This movie has been sequalized to death, badly remade by Tim Burton, parodied countless times, and almost everybody in the world knows the famous shock ending whether they've seen the movie or not, but none of this detracts from the movie itself, which is a bona fide classic, and still one of the most entertaining SF movies ever made! Absolutely essential viewing!

   
See that?!  "Essential viewing"  As in "Essential SF film."  Got that, Michael?  SF!  Not Sci-Fi.  SF!!!!


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----- Original Message -----

From: JamesA1102@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 8:19 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA pics

Ok let me know how this one comes through.


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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 1:54 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] One Aussie's opinion

Hey Mike and Ken, here's what an Aussie left on the IMDb.com a few days ago.  You Australians sure love POTA!

Infofreak
Perth, Australia

Date: 3 October 2002
Summary: Still one of the most entertaining SF movies ever made!

I grew up on 'Planet Of The Apes'. I can't even remember exactly the first time I saw it, but I would have been less than ten years old. At that time it was one of the most amazing movies I'd ever seen, and had a massive impact on me. Of course many movies that knock you at as a child don't hold your interest when you're older and (hopefully!) wiser, but this movie is still as entertaining now as it was then. Charlton Heston's other big SF movie 'The Omega Man' is now a guilty pleasure. Silly but hugely enjoyable hokum. But 'Planet Of The Apes' is anything but an embarrassment. It really stands up well. The other great SF movie of 1968 was '2001'. '..Apes' isn't in the same intellectual or technical league, but I know which movie is better from a sheer entertainment value. Heston is perfectly cast as the blustery misanthrope Taylor, and the supporting ape cast of Kim Hunter, Roddy McDowall, Maurice Evans, Buck Kartalian,etc. are all wonderful. The only really weak link is Linda Harrison as Nova, but she is only really included as eye candy, and on that score she does her job well. This movie has been sequalized to death, badly remade by Tim Burton, parodied countless times, and almost everybody in the world knows the famous shock ending whether they've seen the movie or not, but none of this detracts from the movie itself, which is a bona fide classic, and still one of the most entertaining SF movies ever made! Absolutely essential viewing!

   
See that?!  "Essential viewing"  As in "Essential SF film."  Got that, Michael?  SF!  Not Sci-Fi.  SF!!!!


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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 1:10 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] One Aussie's opinion

The movie wasn't as funny as the show but as a cartoon fan, I love the art direction and look of the show which looks even cooler on the big screen.

Yeah there are mor laughs in a single episode of the show than in that whole movie, but I agree the Ape references are the funnist lines.  And the are was good.  Since it's a parody of anime I'm glad they got to strut their stuff.  Too bad they didn't have to songs from the videos, like Devo's Go Monkey Go, or more especially my good friends Shonen Knife, (Buttercup, I'm A Super Girl) in it.  If any of you subscribe to Maximum Rock & Roll perhaps you saw them with Redd Kross on Rodney On The Rocks wearing one of my old bands T-Shirt.  Any of you like music, or just Apes?


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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 7:03 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA musica

In a message dated 10/12/02 4:11:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Any of you like music, or just Apes?

I like film music, the background scores.  I just got a remastered "Papillon" from France with three extra cues.  I love Jerry Goldsmith music.  I know Alan in Scotland is into film scores, but I think he and I are about it for this group of baboons, unless Kassidy is into it too.  By the way, who here still doesn't have any of these?



-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 1:10 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] One Aussie's opinion

The movie wasn't as funny as the show but as a cartoon fan, I love the art direction and look of the show which looks even cooler on the big screen.

Yeah there are mor laughs in a single episode of the show than in that whole movie, but I agree the Ape references are the funnist lines.  And the are was good.  Since it's a parody of anime I'm glad they got to strut their stuff.  Too bad they didn't have to songs from the videos, like Devo's Go Monkey Go, or more especially my good friends Shonen Knife, (Buttercup, I'm A Super Girl) in it.  If any of you subscribe to Maximum Rock & Roll perhaps you saw them with Redd Kross on Rodney On The Rocks wearing one of my old bands T-Shirt.  Any of you like music, or just Apes?

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> Nah, I'm saying I know he's gay, but I didn't know until I was

> Prior to that I had been upset that people thought he was gay

>
> And yes, BAD is the awful mess I disliked. Got that was some

>
> I think John Lydon gets PAID to be an asshole!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2002 18:09
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] One Other Aussie's opinion
>
>
> I saw Queen in 1985 in Sydney. Great concert. That night, Freddy

>
>
> And that makes him hetero how? Sorry Mike you lost me.
>
> <<I've been wondering what Joe Strummer has been doing. Can't

>
> Dunno, I've never met them. My brother hung out with them. He

> In a message dated 10/12/02 4:11:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@A... writes:
>
>
> > Any of you like music, or just Apes?

>
> Kassidy, how old are you?

My computer's DVD drive is acting up a bit, but if I can get it to work I'll submit a few. If people want to do this. :o)

ThyPentacle

 Haristas@... wrote:

Hey, who here has the ability to screen capture frames from movies on DVD?  I think James can, and I'm guessing Kassidy.  I wish I could, but I can't and I'm not buying a new computer just for this.

Anyway, what I'm getting to is that I've often frezze-framed images from the movies and TV show to study them or whatever, and often I've captured images that you can't really tell what you are looking at (blurred motion for example) or from what APES movie it's from.

Tell me more.  Is this a card you would install into your computer then hook
your DVD player into it and it would turn the DVD freeze-frames into still
jpg's?

-- Rory

THAT'S IT!!!!  I love it.  If you are computer ignorant like myself, it's very simple.  That's how I did the grabs, as you surmised--

Butch Kasseopia

PS  I heard you went by 'Lory' on another group, is that true, flam-O?

JUST JOKING!!!!

> How old were you when you discovered Roddy McDowall was gay?

> Did anybody else here get the FSM CD of the music from THE OMEGA