.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/2002 6:05:55 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I know about the e=mc2 thing, but other than that what do we KNOW
about the glyphs?

I still can't totally by the idea that the "E=MC2" thing on the chimps means "science"... I mean if it were, then why would the court stenographer in Planet, and the Prefects in the television series also have that symbol? I'd say it has more to do with Chimps than it does science...<.html

I agree it is confusing Mr Cougar.

But it could be that it was INTENDED to mean "Science Related" and
then bastardised to be a "That looks good, let's get more of them" by
the time of the movie.

Based on the original Mutant costume designs we saw yesterday, it is
easy to understand how the original designs are changed and adapted
according to budget and other things.

I still think it could be a coincidence too (like the whole "Paul is
dead" beatles thing) and that there was never the intention of the
e=mc2 thing being there. Also, it could have just been an inside
joke if there was the intention of a reference to Einstein's theory.

There are so many alternatives, and so many hypotheses, but I really
want to know if there might also be EVIDENCE.

Michael

--- mlccougar@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/5/2002 6:05:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > I know about the emc2 thing, but other than that what do we KNOW
> > about the glyphs?
>
> I still can't totally by the idea that the "EMC2" thing on the

chimps means

> "science"... I mean if it were, then why would the court

stenographer in

> Planet, and the Prefects in the television series also have that

symbol? I'd

> say it has more to do with Chimps than it does science...
>

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/2002 4:55:29 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Except of the line in Goldeneye stating Bonds parents died in a
skiing accident when he was young.

Well, I'm not paid to keep up with trivia like that.

<.html

Welcome back Brian! For anyone interested, here is the machine gun
that was used as a base for the submachine guns in Beneath.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg36-e.htm

Andy

.htmlWelcome back Brian! For anyone interested, here is the machine gun
that was used as a base for the submachine guns in Beneath.

Yes, in case I forgot, welcome back Brian.  And the Madsen does look a lot like a skinny M-3 or Swedish K.<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:13 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Bond-Oh! (OT)

In a message dated 11/5/02 10:24:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

The whole thing sounds like an internet rumor to me. Knowing
Connery's consistant efforts to distance himself from his days as
Bond as well as his outright hatered for the Broccoli family; I doubt
any cameo was ever filmed.

This could be true too.  The studios today do all sorts of stupid thing to get publicity.

-- Rory

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 4:32:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Wow!  Pretty concise answer.

I wonder what Patrick can tell us about Uranus, T?


Hahahahahaha!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlWhitty, you're catching the Patrick-long-post disease!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 5:05:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I believe the One in True Grit was that length. 

I liked that big Colt Dragoon!<.html

.htmlGod save me from all these posts about God!<.html

Then what are we shelling out our hard earned money for? ;-)

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Well, I'm not paid to keep up with trivia like that.

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Gee Rory, you're the wittiest Cretan I know.<.html

Sorry it's just to out there. Sounds more like they're backpeddling
now cause it was just a rumor.

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> It sounds legit. Comingsoon.net is pretty reliable. If
something's rumor or speculation they'd say so. Anyway, if it's true
the scene would probably wind up on the DVD as an outtake at least.
These days I don't think Connery would let a little thing like a
feud keep him from making some dough. He did "The Avengers" and the
voice of that dragon, didn't he? - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Bond-Oh! (OT)
>
>
> In a message dated 11/5/02 10:24:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
>
> The whole thing sounds like an internet rumor to me. Knowing
> Connery's consistant efforts to distance himself from his days
as
> Bond as well as his outright hatered for the Broccoli family;
I doubt
> any cameo was ever filmed.
>
>
>
>
>
> This could be true too. The studios today do all sorts of
stupid thing to get publicity.
>
> -- Rory
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

.htmlThey could include the cameo by Connery if they somehow tell us that the guy Bond thought was daddy really wasn't daddy and it was Connery who was daddy 'cause Connery said to Bond's mum, "Who's your daddy?"

Makes sense to me!

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 7:05:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Who holds the answers?

Michael

The ghost of Morton Haack.  Can anyone channel him?<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/2002 9:07:25 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I liked that big Colt Dragoon!

I had an open top muzzel loading revolver.  I got rid of it without ever firing the thing.  I fired one once, when I was a kid, but I never trusted those damn things.  I wouldn't want to shoot one unless my life depended on it, and even then you'd have to wonder if the pistol's going to do the job on you first!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 7:14:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

The desert sand here has an eerie red tinge to it.  This would make
it look far more alien, particularly to those (many) who have not
seen the Australian desert.

Michael

Exactly, that's why it would have been great if they'd shot APES in the land downunder because most of the world doesn't know what it looks like.  But they still would have shot the same shitty script, so what does it matter?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 7:37:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

I still can't totally by the idea that the "E=MC2" thing on the chimps means "science"... I mean if it were, then why would the court stenographer in Planet, and the Prefects in the television series also have that symbol? I'd say it has more to do with Chimps than it does science...

Hey, I just said one day that I fancied it looked like E=Mc2, that doesn't mean to take it literally.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/2002 9:09:02 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Then what are we shelling out our hard earned money for? ;-)

Uhhh...I don't know.
To buy Brocoli another swimming pool?
I don't watch Bond films for the arkane
childhood references.  Like most I'm
there for the gadgets and the chicks!
Who's everyone's fave Bond Girl? 

<.html

That would have to be Denise Richards.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Who's everyone's fave Bond Girl?

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Makes sense to me!

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

Yes, undoubtedly the most humorous boob in Puppetland.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 10:08:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Gee Rory, you're the wittiest Cretan I know.

What did I say?  I forget.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 10:18:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

That would have to be Denise Richards.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Who's everyone's fave Bond Girl?

Denise Richards sucks Charlie Sheen's cock!

The best Bond girl was that little Jap one who climbed the volcano in "You Only Live Twice"!  I'd little stir her saki.  Ah So!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/2002 9:18:27 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

That would have to be Denise Richards.

I still like Diana Rigg.
Peal off that leather catsuit Mrs. Peel!
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrouw!

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 10:18:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Yes, undoubtedly the most humorous boob in Puppetland.

You on the rag tonight, T?<.html

Patrick is in league with SATAN!
I see your point but again I say you can't blame God or religion for the
acts of crazoids. And anyway, it's not going to change. People need God.
Personally, I need God. It just makes life seem more livable and sometimes
things seem to be guided by an unseen hand. Obviously He/She/It doesn't
intervene; I knew that long before 9/11. And when you get down to it,
killing seems to be the natural order of things. People say it's a sin, etc.
But it's part of the deal. You could ask, why did God create a world where
creatures have to eat each other to survive, or fallible minds that go nuts.
There's no easy answers. But I get the feeling your upbringing has made this
a particularly sensitive issue for you. That's the nice thing about POTA, it
allows us to look at these issues in a unique way. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:40 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Religion IS a relevant and CRUCIAL topic
for POTA (OT)


> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > OK Patrick
> >
> > All insults aside, I think you are a little out of your league with
> your comments on religion.
> >
> > You seem to be confusing belief in god with acceptance/coveting of
> all the bad things that have been done in the name of god.
> >
> > Your comments only highlight your ignorance.
> >
> > Believing in a god simply means a belief that we have been created,
> it does not mean one condones the Spanish Inquisition.
> >
> > Michael
>
> *** Religion, as portrayed in the FICTIONAL "POTA universe", is a
> tool of repression, a false belief system utilized by the Powers-that-
> be to control the Masses. In the REAL universe, that pretty much sums
> up what Religion truly is, in my nontheistic view.
>
> If "believing in a god" was just that--a BELIEF--nobody would ever
> have a problem with ANYBODY's differing religious beliefs. It would
> be as "harmless" as believing in Leprechauns, or believing that the
> lost continent of Atlantis not only existed but also enjoyed the use
> of hovercars & meals-in-a-pill. A "belief", generally, is harmless to
> others around the Believer.
> But the danger of Religion, Mike, is that for the Believer BELIEF
> ISN'T ENOUGH. Those very beliefs require the Follower of whatever
> Ideology to ACT on those beliefs... usually in a manner which
> violates the rights of others who don't share those beliefs. THAT is
> how Religion is portrayed in the POTA saga--not as a harmless set of
> beliefs, but as a REPRESSIVE and DANGEROUS springboard for action.
> Action which ultimately leads to the entire planet being destroyed.
>
> Is there a "god" in the fictional POTA universe, as there is in
> the "Lord of the Rings" universe? Absolutely NOT. At the end of
> BENEATH, the planet Earth "is now dead". Not "mostly dead"...
> not "partially still breathing"... it's DEAD. Would a "god" ("...if
> there IS a god...") sit idly by and allow His precious creation--the
> planet and all those whom He had created in His image--to be
> completely annihilated? Not even the book of "Revelation" at its
> worst depicts an End as horrific as that. Rather, in SOME way,
> the "god" causes the Righteous to inherit the Earth--a "new Earth"
> with a "new Jerusalem", etc. In the POTA saga, Religion leads to War,
> which leads to the Total Destruction of the Earth. In the real world,
> Religion leads to War... which might very well lead to the Earth
> being destroyed (at least, the destruction of enough of us humans to
> make it important!). POTA tells it, satirically, like it IS. And
> there ain't no "God" to put Humpty Dumpty back together again after
> Taylor triggers the "Alpha Omega" Bomb.
>
> Religious belief began, in all probability, with the inability of
> Cavemen to understand natural phenomena such as Lightning & Thunder,
> Darkness, Comets, Earthquakes, disease epidemics, etc. That's why
> Zeus was thought of as a "thunder god" (like Thor, and a score of
> other cultures' "thunder gods"). The Gods were mythic inventions of
> the human mind, pre-scientific ways of coming to grips with phenomena
> for which they had no logical explanation--because their ways of
> thinking were based not on Logic, but on Fear (of Death, etc.) and
> Desire (for Food, for Sex/Love, for Progeny, etc.).
>
> Science is based on the rules of Logic, on the application of the
> Scientific Method. It has nothing to do with mere "belief". Thus,
> any "god"-concept is bound to be unscientific, if it has nothing
> going for it other than just "belief". If it could be tested in some
> way, and if such experimentation pointed to the presence of some
> noncorporeal, omniscient, omnipotent yet invisible Personality out
> there somewhere/everywhere... then Theism would be a valid,
> scientific belief.
>
> In the POTA universe, there is no "god" to intervene and prevent
> Doomsday from killing every living thing on the Earth (allowing only
> the "Ape-onauts" to escape back through Time to 1973). In the real
> universe, there was no "god" to save the innocent lives that were
> mercilessly taken on "9/11", despite the fact that THE ENTIRE WORLD
> was watching the event IN REAL TIME, and--undoubtedly--every Believer
> in a loving God was praying for that God to save those doomed people
> in the twin towers... and if BILLIONS of prayers aren't enough to get
> God off his fat ass to intervene, then that is "proof" enough to
> skeptics like me that the "power of prayer" is a sad joke--and that
> the "loving God" doesn't exist to answer such prayers in the first
> place.
> How many little kids, raised to believe in God, asked "Why didn't God
> save those people?" after seeing the tragic events of that day
> unfold? What kind of answers were rattled off?
>
> "The Lord works in mysterious ways..."
> "It was 'their time' and God was calling them to Himself..."
> "God wanted them in Heaven with Him & His angels..."
>
> And the little children who were in the hijacked planes... did God
> want them to die, too? Had those toddlers spent enough Time living
> their lives, prior to God "calling them to Himself"?
> I remember watching Billy Graham at that prayerfest just
> following "9/11", with all the former Presidents (sans Reagan)
> attending, and Billy asked all those questions. "Why did God allow
> this to happen?" In his own typical evangelical way, he tried to give
> an answer that gave comfort to those who lost loved ones, but in my
> mind it failed miserably. The cause of "9/11" was NOT the
> irreligiousness of America (as Falwell & Robertson alleged), which
> led God to empower Al-Qaeda to smite us: the cause of "9/11" is the
> tendency of people who BELIEVE in God to ACT on that belief in a
> manner which is intolerant and homicidal. That is the danger of mere
> Belief, that it leads to murderous Actions which are "justified" by a
> set of Dogmas & Doctrines written by Human (or Ape) hand under the
> lying pretense of having been "inspired by God". That is the root of
> the WTC/Pentagon attacks. That is the root of the recent attack in
> Indonesia which resulted in the deaths of how many of your fellow
> Aussies, Mike? It seems that the religion-addicted fanatics who
> perpetrate such crimes do not rely on their "god" to smite His
> enemies... they see themselves as the Instruments of their God,
> doing "His work" for him, acting as "His hand".
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

She was cute but she's a grandmother by now. I'll still go with
Denise.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> The best Bond girl was that little Jap one who climbed the volcano
in "You
> Only Live Twice"! I'd little stir her saki. Ah So!

Yeah peal it off and see all the wrinkles.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> I still like Diana Rigg.
> Peal off that leather catsuit Mrs. Peel!
> Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrouw!

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/2002 9:21:13 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

What did I say?  I forget.

Something about my your anus.
Your usually razor sharp wit seems a bit dull tonight.<.html

POTA script writers would robably let Bond discover that he was not
really an orphan.

However, if Bond has parents it makes him vulnerable (like any super-
hero...the tragic no parents/no partners scenario).

Makes more sense if he is an orphan.

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> They could include the cameo by Connery if they somehow tell us

that the guy

> Bond thought was daddy really wasn't daddy and it was Connery who

was daddy

> 'cause Connery said to Bond's mum, "Who's your daddy?"
>
> Makes sense to me!
>
> Hahahahahahahahahaha!
>
> -- Rory
>

As I explained yesterday, Rupert Murdoch would have TOTALLY
intervened....and I think the frail Tim Burton might have bowed out
of the requirement to withstand our desert....could have ended up
being a George Miller.

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/5/02 7:14:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > The desert sand here has an eerie red tinge to it. This would

make

> > it look far more alien, particularly to those (many) who have not
> > seen the Australian desert.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Exactly, that's why it would have been great if they'd shot APES in

the land

> downunder because most of the world doesn't know what it looks

like. But

> they still would have shot the same shitty script, so what does it

matter?

>
> -- Rory
>

I'm seing serious Rory. I don't know about you, but until yesterday
I did not know the original costume designs for Beneath existed....so
maybe there is something out there about the glyphs.

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/5/02 7:05:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > Who holds the answers?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> The ghost of Morton Haack. Can anyone channel him?
>

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/2002 9:25:04 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

The best Bond girl was that little Jap one who climbed the volcano in "You Only Live Twice"!  I'd little stir her saki.  Ah So!


Ahhh yes!  I'd like to change my vote to Mie Hama.
Yes I enjoyed both the Japanese Bond Girl's work in King Kong vs Godzilla.







<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/2002 9:26:41 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

You on the rag tonight, T?

I don't think so.
I just think you comedy is a bit off tonight.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/2002 9:32:07 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Yeah peal it off and see all the wrinkles.

Not now, then!
Come on, you're a POTA fan.
You sould have a better concept of time travel than most.

<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:26 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Kong in 2006?

I was just reading over at Aint-it-cool-news that Universal is still interested in Peter Jackson doing a "King Kong" remake, but that we wouldn't see it until 2006 at the soonest.  Maybe that's how long it'll take for an APES 2.  What do you think, Jeff?

-- Rory
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<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 10:36:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

POTA script writers would robably let Bond discover that he was not
really an orphan.

You know that Paul Dehn co-wrote the "Goldfinger" script, don't you?<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 10:36:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Something about my your anus.

My your anus?!!!   Keep it to yourself, T.<.html

Hell if I could go back to the 60s I'd rather peal of Nova's
loincloth.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Not now, then!
> Come on, you're a POTA fan.
> You sould have a better concept of time travel than most.

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 10:40:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

As I explained yesterday, Rupert Murdoch would have TOTALLY
intervened....and I think the frail Tim Burton might have bowed out
of the requirement to withstand our desert....could have ended up
being a George Miller.

Michael

Murdoch doesn't involve himself with the studio, and I read he hates apes.

-- Rory<.html

Very good. How many other POTA-Bond connections can you make?

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> You know that Paul Dehn co-wrote the "Goldfinger" script, don't
you?

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:42 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Bond-Oh! (OT)

In a message dated 11/5/2002 10:50:44 AM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I don't know. Connery really hates the Broccolis. Sounds like aint it
cool reported something bogus and are now trying to cover their
tracks.

Then again, Connery has recently done a voice over for a Level 3 Coms. commercial, something I never thought I'd see, or hear I guess it'd be.  So if he was offered a huge pile of cash for working a day or two, who knows?  I never thought I'd see Heston in the makeup.  Talk about cameos that should have been cut!
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<.html

I do now. Is there a mothership?

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/5/02 10:36:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > POTA script writers would robably let Bond discover that he was

not

> > really an orphan.
> >
> >
>
> You know that Paul Dehn co-wrote the "Goldfinger" script, don't you?
>

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 10:46:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I just think you comedy is a bit off tonight

I think you right, T.  Me no good tonight.  I think you me tired, you think too?<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 10:47:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Not now, then!
Come on, you're a POTA fan.
You sould have a better concept of time travel than most.

Yeah, who wouldn't want to see Linda Harrison naked -- then?!!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 11:01:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Very good. How many other POTA-Bond connections can you make?

Norman Burton was in "Diamonds are Forever."<.html

The report is credited to Internet Movie Database. And supposedly the
producers (including Barbera Broccoli) have spoken about it. - - - jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:04 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Bond-Oh! (OT)


> Connery has been doing voiceover for foreign commercials for years.
> He's been offered large sums in the past to return for small roles
> and has always turned them down.
> Plus none of the Bond websites like MI6, ianfleming.org, Universal
> Exports or Absolutely James Bond have ever reported this and they
> have all been pretty acurate in the past. Sounds more like aint it
> cool reported a bogus rumor and is now trying to back out of it.
>
> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > Then again, Connery has recently done a voice over for a Level 3
> Coms.
> > commercial, something I never thought I'd see, or hear I guess
> it'd be. So
> > if he was offered a huge pile of cash for working a day or two,
> who knows? I
> > never thought I'd see Heston in the makeup. Talk about cameos
> that should
> > have been cut!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlOh no, Patrick is going to have to see "Solaris". . . . right, T?


Director Butts Heads with MPAA Over Clooney's Butt
Just three weeks before the release of his romantic sci-fier Solaris, director Steven Soderbergh (Traffic) is locked in a battle with the MPAA ratings board over its decision to rate the film R because of two scenes in which actor George Clooney is seen naked from the rear. Referring to the 1995 episode of NYPD Blue in which the naked backside of Dennis Franz was displayed, Soderbergh told today's (Tuesday) Los Angeles Times: "Believe me, there is nothing here that is worse that what has been on NYPD Blue." Soderbergh said that he plans to appeal the rating.



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.html I think Stembridge has pretty much closed it's doors and sold off a lot of it's stock, due to suffocating firearm regs.  Even the movie industry is not immune!  Many weapons companies have closed up shop and left the state thanx to newer tougher laws.  Stembridge was a 3 or 4 generation Hollywood family outfit from what I remember.  Sad to see it go.

Brian

LordTZer0@... wrote:

 

M3 Greasegun (they don't fit, trust me), but rather the more streamlined
Danish Madsen sub-machine gun.

I've heard of Swedish K's, but Danish Madsen's?  That's a new one on me.  Thanks for clearing that up Brian.  Yeah, Stembridge Arms is amazing.  I'd love to take a tour out there someday.  It is movie gun heaven.  I called them once, trying to get a barrel length on John Wayne's Winchester, so I could fit one with a large loop lever.  Unfortunately the Stagecoach original was a 12 or 14 incher, which requires a class 3 stamp unless its an antique.  And I don't have that kind of scratch right now.  The Rio Bravo/El Dorado 38/40 was longer -- 18 inches, I think.  I compromised with a 16 inch Winchester. I believe the One in True Grit was that length.  But mine's a 94, and The Duke always used 92s.  And it's a Trapper, and though the cross block's safety's are handy for not shooting myself when twirl cocking it, it isn't exactly accurate historically speaking, to the Old West, or to the films.
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<.html

Well if you want the truth look here:

http://www.mi6archives.com/UltraBoard/Public/HTML/B1/2982-
1.topic..htmlbr>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> The report is credited to Internet Movie Database. And
supposedly the
> producers (including Barbera Broccoli) have spoken about it. - - -
jeff

Well, they wouldn't even mention Einstein by name, they credited his work
to Hasslein. Just as they inverted NASA into ANSA. By the way, did we ever
discuss why it's called ANSA in the original and NASA in "Escape"? I think
ANSA was the name of the project. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs


> I agree it is confusing Mr Cougar.
>
> But it could be that it was INTENDED to mean "Science Related" and
> then bastardised to be a "That looks good, let's get more of them" by
> the time of the movie.
>
> Based on the original Mutant costume designs we saw yesterday, it is
> easy to understand how the original designs are changed and adapted
> according to budget and other things.
>
> I still think it could be a coincidence too (like the whole "Paul is
> dead" beatles thing) and that there was never the intention of the
> e=mc2 thing being there. Also, it could have just been an inside
> joke if there was the intention of a reference to Einstein's theory.
>
> There are so many alternatives, and so many hypotheses, but I really
> want to know if there might also be EVIDENCE.
>
> Michael
>
> --- mlccougar@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 11/5/2002 6:05:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> > whitty@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > I know about the emc2 thing, but other than that what do we KNOW
> > > about the glyphs?
> >
> > I still can't totally by the idea that the "EMC2" thing on the
> chimps means
> > "science"... I mean if it were, then why would the court
> stenographer in
> > Planet, and the Prefects in the television series also have that
> symbol? I'd
> > say it has more to do with Chimps than it does science...
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yeah, welcome back, Brian. Go get yourself some cheap Medicoms. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "andygarringer" <andygarringer@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:47 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Danish Madsen Submachine gun reference pics
here


> Welcome back Brian! For anyone interested, here is the machine gun
> that was used as a base for the submachine guns in Beneath.
>
> http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg36-e.htm
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Well if you want the truth look here:
>
> http://www.mi6archives.com/UltraBoard/Public/HTML/B1/2982- 1.topic..html/span>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Bond-Oh! (OT)

In a message dated 11/5/02 10:18:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

That would have to be Denise Richards.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Who's everyone's fave Bond Girl?

Denise Richards sucks Charlie Sheen's cock!

The best Bond girl was that little Jap one who climbed the volcano in "You Only Live Twice"!  I'd little stir her saki.  Ah So!

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.html Hi Michael,

The only glyph pattern that I know that were definately designed to make sense were the chimp's "e=mc2" ones.  The Orangs, and the Gorillas were just asthetics.  The "ED's" on some of the Orangs may have an "inside" meaning (child's , girlfriend, wife's initials) but I have not found anyone who could elaberate on that.

There was an actual ape alphebet that Creeber's team designed.  It was available in a boxed set with some blueprint designs back in the 80's.  I think it was some sort of Home Shopping Network exclusive.  Anyone remember that?

Brian

"whitty@..." wrote:

Welcome back Brian.

One thing we have been throwing about (again) is the glyphs.

I know about the e=mc2 thing, but other than that what do we KNOW
about the glyphs?

Are they status symbols?  Are they a LANGUAGE (it seems not because
the apes seem to read the ENGLISH language eg what Taylor writes to
Zira)?

Who holds the answers?

Michael

Hey Gang,  Long time no smell!  Been a busy year, but things are
quiet
now so I can join in the fun once more.

Looking through some old postings here I noticed a convo on the apes
weapons.  Not sure if this had been corrected or not yet, but I'll
add
my 2 cents worth.

Yes, the "hero" ape carbines were surplus WWII or Korean issue semi-
auto M-1 Carbines.  The Gorilla sub-machine gun, however, was not an
M3
Greasegun (they don't fit, trust me), but rather the more streamlined
Danish Madsen sub-machine gun.  You can see these subs (without the
ape
stocks) used in a few classic 60's episodes of Man from Uncle, Voyage
to the Bottom of the Sea, and Star Trek.  I seem to remember, and
forgive me for not knowing the title and date of it's first airing
(no
Trekki here), an episode where Kirk and the gang beamed down to a
planet and were held in a jail cell where white helmeted guards stood
watch over them with the Danish Madsen sub-machine guns.(There's
blooper reels of the guards rushing into the room and falling down
too.)  Quite possibly the same SMGs used in Beneath, because
Stembridge
Arms supplied weapons to just about everything going on in Hollywood
back in those days.  If I can figure out how to post a foto with this
message, I'll do it.  If not, my bad.

Take care.  Hope everyone had a fun and safe Halloween.

Brian Penikas
APEMANIA.COM
 
 

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I must admit I didn't even notice the NASA in Escape...I thought the
ANSA name was similar to the city Metropolis in Superman (we all know
it is supposed to be NY, but we all know there is no cloaked dude
flying around there).

Michael

--- <veetus@...> wrote:

> Well, they wouldn't even mention Einstein by name, they credited

his work

> to Hasslein. Just as they inverted NASA into ANSA. By the way, did

we ever

> discuss why it's called ANSA in the original and NASA in "Escape"?

I think

> ANSA was the name of the project. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs
>
>
> > I agree it is confusing Mr Cougar.
> >
> > But it could be that it was INTENDED to mean "Science Related" and
> > then bastardised to be a "That looks good, let's get more of

them" by

> > the time of the movie.
> >
> > Based on the original Mutant costume designs we saw yesterday, it

is

> > easy to understand how the original designs are changed and

adapted

> > according to budget and other things.
> >
> > I still think it could be a coincidence too (like the whole "Paul

is

> > dead" beatles thing) and that there was never the intention of the
> > e=mc2 thing being there. Also, it could have just been an inside
> > joke if there was the intention of a reference to Einstein's

theory.

> >
> > There are so many alternatives, and so many hypotheses, but I

really

> > want to know if there might also be EVIDENCE.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- mlccougar@... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 11/5/2002 6:05:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > whitty@... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I know about the emc2 thing, but other than that what do we

KNOW

> > > > about the glyphs?
> > >
> > > I still can't totally by the idea that the "EMC2" thing on the
> > chimps means
> > > "science"... I mean if it were, then why would the court
> > stenographer in
> > > Planet, and the Prefects in the television series also have that
> > symbol? I'd
> > > say it has more to do with Chimps than it does science...
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>

>
>
>

I live in NY and there are plenty of cloaked dudes flying around.
Makes me worried sometime.

--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I must admit I didn't even notice the NASA in Escape...I thought
the
> ANSA name was similar to the city Metropolis in Superman (we all
know
> it is supposed to be NY, but we all know there is no cloaked dude
> flying around there).
>
> Michael

Hi Brian

Yes, I remember it. I thought I had the key to my childhood quest to
one day discover what they were all about, and would you believe
the "ape alphabet" is just the alphabet in a different font? No
glyphs anywhere.

Michael

--- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:

> There was an actual ape alphebet that Creeber's team designed. It

was

> available in a boxed set with some blueprint designs back in the

80's. I

> think it was some sort of Home Shopping Network exclusive. Anyone

remember

> that?
>
> Brian

Brian, how do you know this for sure?

Is there any way this is over-interpretation?

Michael


--- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,

The only glyph pattern that I know that were definately designed to
make sense were the chimp's "emc2" ones.

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:14 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A Trip to Uranus

Oh no, Patrick is going to have to see "Solaris". . . . right, T?


Director Butts Heads with MPAA Over Clooney's Butt
Just three weeks before the release of his romantic sci-fier Solaris, director Steven Soderbergh (Traffic) is locked in a battle with the MPAA ratings board over its decision to rate the film R because of two scenes in which actor George Clooney is seen naked from the rear. Referring to the 1995 episode of NYPD Blue in which the naked backside of Dennis Franz was displayed, Soderbergh told today's (Tuesday) Los Angeles Times: "Believe me, there is nothing here that is worse that what has been on NYPD Blue." Soderbergh said that he plans to appeal the rating.




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.html In all fairness to the first film, you cannot make logical comparisons from the TV series to any of the films.  The tv series was on a budget and just threw whatever they thought looked good onto film.  There was no logic or science behind their decisions to use  a glyphed chimp outfit for a street sweeper rather than a scientist.  They just used what they grabbed off the rack.

brian
 

I still can't totally by the idea that the "E=MC2" thing on the chimps means "science"... I mean if it were, then why would the court stenographer in Planet, and the Prefects in the television series also have that symbol? I'd say it has more to do with Chimps than it does science...
 
 

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----- Original Message -----

From: JamesA1102@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:20 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (no subject)

Sorry bad link. Click Here

--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Well if you want the truth look here:
>
> http://www.mi6archives.com/UltraBoard/Public/HTML/B1/2982- 1.topic..html/font>

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.html Bingo.  Give that man a cookie!
 
 

andygarringer wrote:

Welcome back Brian! For anyone interested, here is the machine gun
that was used as a base for the submachine guns in Beneath.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg36-e.htm

Andy
 
 

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 11:21:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Well, they wouldn't even mention Einstein by name, they credited his work
to Hasslein. Just as they inverted NASA into ANSA. By the way, did we ever
discuss why it's called ANSA in the original and NASA in "Escape"? I think
ANSA was the name of the project. - - - Jeff

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:31 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

Hi Michael,

The only glyph pattern that I know that were definately designed to make sense were the chimp's "e=mc2" ones.  The Orangs, and the Gorillas were just asthetics.  The "ED's" on some of the Orangs may have an "inside" meaning (child's , girlfriend, wife's initials) but I have not found anyone who could elaberate on that.

There was an actual ape alphebet that Creeber's team designed.  It was available in a boxed set with some blueprint designs back in the 80's.  I think it was some sort of Home Shopping Network exclusive.  Anyone remember that?

Brian

"whitty@..." wrote:

Welcome back Brian.

One thing we have been throwing about (again) is the glyphs.

I know about the e=mc2 thing, but other than that what do we KNOW
about the glyphs?

Are they status symbols?  Are they a LANGUAGE (it seems not because
the apes seem to read the ENGLISH language eg what Taylor writes to
Zira)?

Who holds the answers?

Michael

Hey Gang,  Long time no smell!  Been a busy year, but things are
quiet
now so I can join in the fun once more.

Looking through some old postings here I noticed a convo on the apes
weapons.  Not sure if this had been corrected or not yet, but I'll
add
my 2 cents worth.

Yes, the "hero" ape carbines were surplus WWII or Korean issue semi-
auto M-1 Carbines.  The Gorilla sub-machine gun, however, was not an
M3
Greasegun (they don't fit, trust me), but rather the more streamlined
Danish Madsen sub-machine gun.  You can see these subs (without the
ape
stocks) used in a few classic 60's episodes of Man from Uncle, Voyage
to the Bottom of the Sea, and Star Trek.  I seem to remember, and
forgive me for not knowing the title and date of it's first airing
(no
Trekki here), an episode where Kirk and the gang beamed down to a
planet and were held in a jail cell where white helmeted guards stood
watch over them with the Danish Madsen sub-machine guns.(There's
blooper reels of the guards rushing into the room and falling down
too.)  Quite possibly the same SMGs used in Beneath, because
Stembridge
Arms supplied weapons to just about everything going on in Hollywood
back in those days.  If I can figure out how to post a foto with this
message, I'll do it.  If not, my bad.

Take care.  Hope everyone had a fun and safe Halloween.

Brian Penikas
APEMANIA.COM
 
 

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/2002 10:01:20 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

My your anus?!!!   Keep it to yourself, T.

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/2002 10:16:10 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Oh no, Patrick is going to have to see "Solaris". . . . right, T?

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 11:51:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Yeah, I have that. It was a package on QVC; 4 blueprints (ship, alphabet, ape city and something else) and a T-shirt. As opposed to a LordT-shirt, which has profanity on it. - - - Jeff

Yeah, that Sausville guy sold me his extra copies of the blueprints and the ape alphabet, but the alphabet is just ours with a few minor changes.  I'd rather use the stuff from House (like they do at Apemania).

I wonder if the Ursus bust is done yet?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/02 11:55:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Uranus, and you started it.  You Anus!

Gee T, you're really into the anus tonight.  You need an enema maybe?

-- Rory<.html

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Yeah, I have that. It was a package on QVC; 4 blueprints (ship, alphabet, ape city and something else) and a T-shirt. As opposed to a LordT-shirt, which has profanity on it. - - - Jeff

Oh?  Well then, why don't you post the $%!@#* aplphabet?<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/5/2002 10:58:35 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Gee T, you're really into the anus tonight.  You need an enema maybe?

Well, with group members like you, who needs enemas?<.html

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Smith and Wesson made a similar SMG as well, but the Madsen was Hollywood's favorite.
Actually, it's remarkable how many different yet similar SMG's were manufactured over the years, once the US M3 with it's "stamped" not machined receiver hit the battlefields during WW2.  The Thompson "Tommy" gun was the staple, but it was expensive and timely to build.  The M3 "Greaseguns" were fast and cheap to make and could easily adapt to fire 45CAL or 9MM ammunition just by unscrewing and replacing the barrel.  You couldn't do that with the Thompson.

Here's some images of the APe/Madsen and other similar SMGs from  around the world.
 

ENjoy.

Brian
 
 

LordTZer0@... wrote:
 

Yes, in case I forgot, welcome back Brian.  And the Madsen does look a lot like a skinny M-3 or Swedish K.
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For anyone interested, we manufacture highly detailed replicas of the APE weapons, including a 30th Anniversary Airsoft (now discontinued to make room for the 35th Anniversary models for next year) you can see some decent images of this item at <http://www.apemania.com/WEAPONS/DeluxeAirsoft.jpeg>.  They're really fun, as long as you are not at the receiving end of the barrel!!!

Brian

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veetus@... wrote:

  Yeah, welcome back, Brian. Go get yourself some cheap Medicoms. - - - Jeff

Hi Jeff, I can't!  I spent all my money on the Japanese ones!!!  Kubricks, Variants, and all.  OUCH!!!

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brian

"whitty@..." wrote:

Hi Brian

Yes, I remember it.  I thought I had the key to my childhood quest to
one day discover what they were all about, and would you believe
the "ape alphabet" is just the alphabet in a different font?  No
glyphs anywhere.

Michael

--- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:

> There was an actual ape alphebet that Creeber's team designed.  It
was
> available in a boxed set with some blueprint designs back in the
80's.  I
> think it was some sort of Home Shopping Network exclusive.  Anyone
remember
> that?
>
> Brian
 
 

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You guys get a grip on yourselves (oh my, didn't mean that literally.... that's better).  I am holding my nose.  The testosterone is REEKING in here tonight.  Bond Smond.  Let's talk about men.  You with me, Goob?

And I'm just joking, Rory.  Don't start swinging through the trees, chattering monkey-speak at me.   

.html Awe, now yer guna test my brain.  Was it someone I was working with or someone I spoke to at one of the anniversary parties.
Man, I forget.  Anyway, we've all seen it the "E" with the two "dots" inside the stems for the "=" sign, the two vertical lines with a broken line for the "M" and the closed ended "2" at the end of the glyph patch.  Oh and the Half-moon "C" above the glyph patch.  It's a pretty cool design.  I'll have to remember harder who told me that it was intentional.  I think it may have been Bob Romero at John Chamber's 75th, but don't quote me on that.

hey did I mention that Buck Kartalian dropped by the studio on Friday for a visit.  He's got to be the coolest 80 year old actor I've ever met.  Still can do 100 push-ups!!!  I can't even do ten, and I'm half his age!!  He has some great wrestling stories!!!

Brian

"whitty@..." wrote:

Brian, how do you know this for sure?

Is there any way this is over-interpretation?

Michael

--- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,

The only glyph pattern that I know that were definately designed to
make sense were the chimp's "emc2" ones.
 
 

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Smith and Wesson made a similar SMG as well, but the Madsen was Hollywood's favorite.

Yes, the Model 76, aka the MK 760.  The M3 was America's answer to the British Sten.  Sten Guns were made by the boat load and dropped to resistance forces in France.  For the time and money it took to make a dozen Thompson's they could make hundreds of M3s.  At the time Thompsons went for $300 bucks.  An MP3 could be produced for about $15 bucks.  They were cheap, but they were also junk.  These were no Uzi's, or MP-40s or 5s.  More like the MACs.  Definitely Spray & Pray guns.

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Brian,

Please find out what you can and let me know.

Also see if you can quiz the source on their source/s.

Michael

--- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:

> Awe, now yer guna test my brain. Was it someone I was working with

or

> someone I spoke to at one of the anniversary parties.
> Man, I forget. Anyway, we've all seen it the "E" with the

two "dots" inside

> the stems for the "" sign, the two vertical lines with a broken

line for

> the "M" and the closed ended "2" at the end of the glyph patch. Oh

and the

> Half-moon "C" above the glyph patch. It's a pretty cool design.

I'll have

> to remember harder who told me that it was intentional. I think it

may have

> been Bob Romero at John Chamber's 75th, but don't quote me on that.
>
> hey did I mention that Buck Kartalian dropped by the studio on

Friday for a

> visit. He's got to be the coolest 80 year old actor I've ever

met. Still

> can do 100 push-ups!!! I can't even do ten, and I'm half his

age!! He has

> some great wrestling stories!!!
>
> Brian
>
> "whitty@..." wrote:
>
> > Brian, how do you know this for sure?
> >
> > Is there any way this is over-interpretation?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > The only glyph pattern that I know that were definately designed

to

> > make sense were the chimp's "emc2" ones.
> >
> >
> >
> >

>

.html Ugh!  Yah can't rush perfection.  Greg Smith is sculpting the piece and it's looing great, but it still needs a good 20 to 30 hours of detailing (all those little teenie weenie armour plates!!!)  Also the Dr. Milo APE-O-NAUT bust will be ready for the holidays and possibly the much awaited NOVA, but Linda's got to ape-prove the likeness first on that one.

Have you guys and gals seen the Jeff Yagher Heston resin figure?  AMAZING!!!  The two gorillas have a lot to be desired, but TAYLOR rocks!!!  XOFACTO.com has them.  Better get yoursnow, cuz it's a limited run.

B

Haristas@... wrote:

 

Yeah, that Sausville guy sold me his extra copies of the blueprints and the ape alphabet, but the alphabet is just ours with a few minor changes.  I'd rather use the stuff from House (like they do at Apemania).

I wonder if the Ursus bust is done yet?

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Trip to Uranus

  POTA showed Heston's butt and got a G rating. And that was 35 years ago. I guess it depends on the butt. - - - Jeff

 

 

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:14 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A Trip to Uranus

Oh no, Patrick is going to have to see "Solaris". . . . right, T?


Director Butts Heads with MPAA Over Clooney's Butt
Just three weeks before the release of his romantic sci-fier Solaris, director Steven Soderbergh (Traffic) is locked in a battle with the MPAA ratings board over its decision to rate the film R because of two scenes in which actor George Clooney is seen naked from the rear. Referring to the 1995 episode of NYPD Blue in which the naked backside of Dennis Franz was displayed, Soderbergh told today's (Tuesday) Los Angeles Times: "Believe me, there is nothing here that is worse that what has been on NYPD Blue." Soderbergh said that he plans to appeal the rating.




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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:07 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh, the pain!

Oh, the pain!  The pain!   I just found this item at Ain't-it-cool.  I wonder if Eric Greene will be at the funeral.

The Pain!! The great Jonathan Harris passes

Jonathan Harris, best known for his portrayal of Dr. Zachary Smith on "Lost in Space," passed away Sunday. I can't begin to explain how important this guy was to me at one point in my life. I am one poor obit writer, and am too jammed up with real-world deadlines to write a proper tribute at the moment, but I also believe this news is too important to post belatedly. Until we can revisit this great actor and his career, find a short piece from the Chiller Theatre site. And I'm sure there are more than a few talkbackers who can honor this genius artist as well as I.                       11/06/1914 - 11/03/2002 RIP

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; Flunkies@...

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:45 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Originals by Haack

Here's some interesting stuff currently on eBay, but it should be saved for a still gallery on a S.E. DVD of BENEATH.


Click here: eBay item 1578658333 (Ends Nov-10-02 19:15:00 PST ) - ORIGINAL PLANET OF THE APES COSTUME DESIGN #1

Click here: eBay item 1578659572 (Ends Nov-10-02 19:15:00 PST ) - ORIGINAL PLANET OF THE APES COSTUME DESIGN #2

Click here: eBay item 1578660238 (Ends Nov-10-02 19:15:00 PST ) - ORIGINAL PLANET OF THE APES COSTUME DESIGN #3

Click here: eBay item 1578660944 (Ends Nov-10-02 19:15:00 PST ) - ORIGINAL PLANET OF THE APES COSTUME DESIGN #4

Click here: eBay item 1578661822 (Ends Nov-10-02 19:15:00 PST ) - ORIGINAL PLANET OF THE APES COSTUME DESIGN #5

Click here: eBay item 1578664717 (Ends Nov-10-02 19:15:00 PST ) - ORIGINAL PLANET OF THE APES COSTUME DESIGN #6

Click here: eBay item 1578665439 (Ends Nov-10-02 19:15:00 PST ) - ORIGINAL PLANET OF THE APES COSTUME DESIGN #7

Click here: eBay item 1578666208 (Ends Nov-10-02 19:15:00 PST ) - ORIGINAL PLANET OF THE APES COSTUME DESIGN #8

Click here: eBay item 1578666912 (Ends Nov-10-02 19:15:00 PST ) - ORIGINAL PLANET OF THE APES COSTUME DESIGN #9
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Let's talk about men.

And what do men produce, Kass?
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I gotta ask.  Why does the hair on the apes from the films look like it came off Tia Carrere in an Herbal Essence commercial, and the hair on the Apemania apes look like it was trimmed from Rasputin's beard last week?  What's up with that?<.html

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.html Yup.  Got them too!  But they are considerably more work to make, being that there is no airsoft Madsen SMG currently available.  We convert KG9's to fit in the housings, but even those are getting harder to find.  Everything's getting discontinued!!  We made a special order last year for some custom M-1 Carbines for the 35th Anniversary models, so we are cool there, but the SMG's are getting tougher.

I have done some experimenting with the Barretta M93 airsoft.  man that has a great sound!  But it doesn't hold much gas, so we were working on a small external reservoir that could be hidden in the Gorilla's backpack.  A feeder line would have a quik-disconnect at the wrist.  Complicated but feasable, especially for that cool sound.  So we'll see how that goes.  But again, I've got Hollywood artisans working on these things, and them folks don't come cheep!  So putting that much work into these toys isn't cost effective.  Makes for some great stuff, but only hi-enders can afford them.

I've enquired to a few manufacturers about special ordering airsoft versions of the Madsens, but the tooling and set up charges for a limited run of 50 to 100 would  set the costs at $1500 or more per gun, not to mention what our costs would be to ape-them-out.  Who's gunna spend that much for a toy?

Brian

LordTZer0@... wrote:

 
Pretty Dang Cool Brian.  How about an Airsoft Ape SMG?
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.html If it was Bob that told me, his source is having personally worked on the film(s).  All these folks are getting up there in age, some times it's hard to keep them focussed on a topic in a conversation.  I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years (cuz I own the costume and would like to build a mannequin for it).  Heck I even had Felix come into the studio for hand casts for the figure.  I would like to use the appliances as a guide for the head sculpture, but Bob always seams to go off on an unrelated topic when I talk to him about digging up the pieces and selling them to me.  I 'll see what I can do about the glyph info on my next outing with him.

Cheers,

brian

"whitty@..." wrote:

Brian,

Please find out what you can and let me know.

Also see if you can quiz the source on their source/s.

Michael

--- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:
> Awe, now yer guna test my brain.  Was it someone I was working with
or
> someone I spoke to at one of the anniversary parties.
> Man, I forget.  Anyway, we've all seen it the "E" with the
two "dots" inside
> the stems for the "" sign, the two vertical lines with a broken
line for
> the "M" and the closed ended "2" at the end of the glyph patch.  Oh
and the
> Half-moon "C" above the glyph patch.  It's a pretty cool design.
I'll have
> to remember harder who told me that it was intentional.  I think it
may have
> been Bob Romero at John Chamber's 75th, but don't quote me on that.
>
> hey did I mention that Buck Kartalian dropped by the studio on
Friday for a
> visit.  He's got to be the coolest 80 year old actor I've ever
met.  Still
> can do 100 push-ups!!!  I can't even do ten, and I'm half his
age!!  He has
> some great wrestling stories!!!
>
> Brian
>
> "whitty@..." wrote:
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> > Brian, how do you know this for sure?
> >
> > Is there any way this is over-interpretation?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > The only glyph pattern that I know that were definately designed
to
> > make sense were the chimp's "emc2" ones.
> >
> >
> >
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.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/2002 2:44:22 AM Central Standard Time, apeman@... writes:

Who's gunna spend that much for a toy?

Exactly.  So why not just get some Madsens?  It'd be cheaper in the long run.  If those are getting hard to find, you've got a lot of other's to chose from.  But the outer shells would have to be modified to fit them.  But anyone who showed up with one would be the coolest guy at the range, that's for sure!

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/02 12:13:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Well, with group members like you, who needs enemas?

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/02 2:54:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, ktaylor@... writes:

Yeah,

That's pretty sad but he did well to last so long. I was lucky enough to have dinner with him one night a few years back when I was still at Fox and he was down here promoting the Lost in Space videos. 'Behind the POTA's Kevin Burns will be devastated as he's probably the world's biggest LIS fan. He even bought the rights from Fox to remake all of Irwin Allen's 60's TV series.
KEN


Speaking of that.  I read some time ago that the pilot for a new "Time Tunnel" show got rejected.  He may have the rights but he still has to produce something the networks want.

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/02 3:14:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I gotta ask.  Why does the hair on the apes from the films look like it came off Tia Carrere in an Herbal Essence commercial, and the hair on the Apemania apes look like it was trimmed from Rasputin's beard last week?  What's up with that?

Yeah, we were discussing this a while back.  In the original film they had a great hair stylist (Edith Lindon, I believe).  The gorillas had slicked back hair on top.  Real Asian hair I think.  Most of what I see at Apemania looks like everybody is having a big hair day.

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

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For anyone interested, we manufacture highly detailed replicas of the APE weapons, including a 30th Anniversary Airsoft (now discontinued to make room for the 35th Anniversary models for next year) you can see some decent images of this item at <http://www.apemania.com/WEAPONS/DeluxeAirsoft.jpeg

>.  They're really fun, as long as you are not at the receiving end of the barrel!!!

These must make Charlton Heston proud!
But what about those Rea Voom 88s?

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From: Ken and Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:50 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Trip to Uranus

Smells of a publicity stunt to drum up interest with females turned off by the Sci-Fi element.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:42 PM

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  POTA showed Heston's butt and got a G rating. And that was 35 years ago. I guess it depends on the butt. - - - Jeff

 

 

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:14 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A Trip to Uranus

Oh no, Patrick is going to have to see "Solaris". . . . right, T?


Director Butts Heads with MPAA Over Clooney's Butt
Just three weeks before the release of his romantic sci-fier Solaris, director Steven Soderbergh (Traffic) is locked in a battle with the MPAA ratings board over its decision to rate the film R because of two scenes in which actor George Clooney is seen naked from the rear. Referring to the 1995 episode of NYPD Blue in which the naked backside of Dennis Franz was displayed, Soderbergh told today's (Tuesday) Los Angeles Times: "Believe me, there is nothing here that is worse that what has been on NYPD Blue." Soderbergh said that he plans to appeal the rating.




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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken and Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:53 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh, the pain!

Yeah,

That's pretty sad but he did well to last so long. I was lucky enough to have dinner with him one night a few years back when I was still at Fox and he was down here promoting the Lost in Space videos. 'Behind the POTA's Kevin Burns will be devastated as he's probably the world's biggest LIS fan. He even bought the rights from Fox to remake all of Irwin Allen's 60's TV series.

KEN

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:07 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh, the pain!

Oh, the pain!  The pain!   I just found this item at Ain't-it-cool.  I wonder if Eric Greene will be at the funeral.

The Pain!! The great Jonathan Harris passes

Jonathan Harris, best known for his portrayal of Dr. Zachary Smith on "Lost in Space," passed away Sunday. I can't begin to explain how important this guy was to me at one point in my life. I am one poor obit writer, and am too jammed up with real-world deadlines to write a proper tribute at the moment, but I also believe this news is too important to post belatedly. Until we can revisit this great actor and his career, find a short piece from the Chiller Theatre site. And I'm sure there are more than a few talkbackers who can honor this genius artist as well as I.                       11/06/1914 - 11/03/2002 RIP

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:57 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

In a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

-- Rory

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From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

Awe, now yer guna test my brain.  Was it someone I was working with or someone I spoke to at one of the anniversary parties.
Man, I forget.  Anyway, we've all seen it the "E" with the two "dots" inside the stems for the "=" sign, the two vertical lines with a broken line for the "M" and the closed ended "2" at the end of the glyph patch.  Oh and the Half-moon "C" above the glyph patch.  It's a pretty cool design.  I'll have to remember harder who told me that it was intentional.  I think it may have been Bob Romero at John Chamber's 75th, but don't quote me on that.

hey did I mention that Buck Kartalian dropped by the studio on Friday for a visit.  He's got to be the coolest 80 year old actor I've ever met.  Still can do 100 push-ups!!!  I can't even do ten, and I'm half his age!!  He has some great wrestling stories!!!

Brian

"whitty@..." wrote:

Brian, how do you know this for sure?

Is there any way this is over-interpretation?

Michael

--- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,

The only glyph pattern that I know that were definately designed to
make sense were the chimp's "emc2" ones.
 
 

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*** Mike, one of the many things I do NOT know is the "original"
Aboriginal name of the island-continent which was re-
named "Australia" by the Brits. You live there, right? So, you tell
me: What was its original name, and don't you think the Aborigines
werre upset at the "name change"?
I, for one, do not know if any of the "native Americans" had a single
name for the continent that now is called "North America". Perhaps I
should know this but, alas, I've never claimed to be a "know-it-all".
The continent on which I was born was renamed after an Italian named
Amerigo Vespucci; I wonder if anybody ever thought of naming
it "Vespucci" rather than after his first name?

Patrick

P.S. By the way, in regards to one of your earlier responses to
my "god" rant, nobody (as far as I've ever heard) has ever suggested
that the book of "Revelation" was written by Paul (Saul of Tarsus),
the main character in the latter half of "Acts". The very first verse
of "Revelation" says it was given to "John", supposedly the author of
the 4th Gospel.
But let's not let facts get in the way of your lil' pro-Belief
messages!

--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I suspect the first thing that poor gerbil would see is your
tonsils, Patrick.
>
> Get back to shifting those poles and denegrating countries with
name changes.
>
> Michael
>
> *** What Richard Gere's gerbil has to do to "see the light" again?

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

> Patrick is in league with SATAN!
> I see your point but again I say you can't blame God or religion

for the acts of crazoids. And anyway, it's not going to change.
People need God. Personally, I need God. It just makes life seem more
livable and sometimes things seem to be guided by an unseen hand.
Obviously He/She/It doesn't intervene; I knew that long before 9/11.
And when you get down to it, killing seems to be the natural order of
things. People say it's a sin, etc. But it's part of the deal. You
could ask, why did God create a world where creatures have to eat
each other to survive, or fallible minds that go nuts. There's no
easy answers. But I get the feeling your upbringing has made this a
particularly sensitive issue for you. That's the nice thing about
POTA, it allows us to look at these issues in a unique way. - - -
Jeff

*** Jeff, IF I believed in the existence of God, I would have little
choice but to blame Him for all the misery that He COULD have
prevented, if He'd only gotten off his fat ass and made a difference.
Most religions have what they call "sins of commission" and "sins of
omission". The former are overt acts (like Murdering, Raping,
Stealing, etc.), and the latter refers to the things we SHOULD have
done yet DIDN'T. Say, if you KNEW that your nextdoor neighbour was
kidnapping, raping, murdering, and cannibalizing little children, and
you did NOTHING to stop it, you would be guilty of a multitude
of "sins of omission". You would be just as guilty as the creep next
door, NOT by actually DOING something wrong, but by NOT doing the
RIGHT thing.
I hold "God" to the same standard. There is NO EXCUSE for any
supposedly omniscient and omnipotent Being to sit idly by and allow
atrocities to occur. If "God" exists, then He is the worst Sinner (of
omission) in the Universe, bar none.
Remember the movie "The Dead Zone"? At one point, Chris Walken is
approached by Tom Skerritt's character (the local sheriff, or Chief
of Police) in order to help solve a wave of serial murders; Walken,
eventually, decides to help out, and the psychic trail leads to
Skerritt's deputy. Walken, after "touching" that Deputy's mother,
psychically becomes aware THAT SHE KNEW ALL ALONG THAT HER SON WAS A
SERIAL KILLER. Walken, with moral disgust, says, "You KNEW?!"
That's what I would say to "God" if He were to drag me before His
throne on Judgment Day. I, not having been blessed (or cursed) with
omniscience or omnipotence, would tell God that I have an excuse for
not being able to rid the world of Evil... but what the hell is God's
excuse? He "chooses" not to intervene? He purposely commits
uncountable sins of omission, allowing guys like Hitler, Jeffrey
Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Pol Pot, (etc.) to commit their "sins of
commission"?
Such a "god" is NOT a loving, righteous Divinity worthy of worship.
He/she/it is a Monster. Like Doctor Frankenstein (in the novel), He
has a duty towards his Creation (if, that is, He exists and DID
create the Universe & Mankind). Frankenstein shirked his duty, and
his Creature wreaked vengeance on him, and the one who deserved to
take the fall for that was Dr. Frankenstein himself. So, too,
does "God" deserve to take the fall for shirking his duty in regards
to his "creation". If He isn't willing to act by His own code of
morality ("Thou shalt not commit Murder" etc.), then He has no moral
authority over any of us.

Patrick

P.S. I recommend that everybody out there run (Don't walk!) to your
nearest comic book store and buy the 9-volume collection of the DC
Comics/Vertigo title "PREACHER" by Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon. It's
probably the best-written comic in the last 20 years; it's hilarious,
thought-provoking, and revolves around a main character who has the
same "beef" with God that I do. The first volume (of 9) sells for
$14.95 (USA) and it's ISBN # is 1-56389-261-8. Kevin Smith said of
it: "PREACHER is more fun than going to the movies." Coming from a
guy who makes his own movies, that's something!