--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

> Well, they wouldn't even mention Einstein by name, they credited

his work to Hasslein. Just as they inverted NASA into ANSA. By the
way, did we ever discuss why it's called ANSA in the original and
NASA in "Escape"? I think ANSA was the name of the project. - - - Jeff

*** The "Dr. Otto Hasslein" character in ESCAPE is obviously much
younger than Einstein, whose theories of Relativity and Mass/Energy
Equivalence made possible the nuking of Hiroshima 28 years before the
events of ESCAPE.
In my scenario (Mike, Jimmy, Mlc, feel free to ignore!), the
difference between the Einsteinian Theory of Relativity and the
Hasslein Theory has to do with HOW spacecraft are accelerated
to "nearly the speed of light". Einstein's Theory concerns a ship
which is accelerated along a trajectory THROUGH Cartesian spacetime,
whereas Hasslein's Theory involves the creation of a photon-like
energy field (a "warpfield") which instantaneously propagates like a
photon: at the speed of light, divided by the Mass factor (the Mass
of the ship + its fuel), since photons don't have mass. Thus, whereas
a photon takes 320 years (Earth-Time) to travel 320 lightyears,
Taylor's ship--enveloped within its Hassleinian warpfield--takes
longer than 320 Earth-Time years to travel the same distance, due to
the Mass of the ship encumbering the photon-like energy field.
It is this same warpfield which protects the ANSA ships from the
gravitational tides of Black Holes (etc.), and which cocoons them
during their Back-through-Time journeys (as when Virdon's ship
travels back 115 Earth-Time days on the 4.34 lightyear journey from
Alpha Centauri to Earth, and when Taylor's ship travels back a little
over 23 Earth-Time years on his 320 lightyear journey from his
destination in Orion back to Earth, from 3978 to 3955).

As for the ANSA vs. NASA designation, my scenario has it that there
was a civilian, public space agency (NASA), which conducted the lunar
landings, etc.; and there was also a military and secret space agency
(ANSA) which sent out the Virdon mission to Alpha Centauri (to do a
fly-by & return scouting of it) and the Taylor mission to an unnamed
Sol-like star system 320 lightyears away in Orion (a colonizing
venture, where Stewart--among other females on the "mothership"--was
to be "the new Eve" with the "hot and eager help" of the males on the
crew). When the "3rd shuttle" from the Taylor mission mysteriously re-
enters Earth's atmosphere in late 1973, nobody in the ANSA agency
anticipates this, since they believe (rightly) that it is still on
its way out into Deep Space (which it is)... and when the Army gets
it beached, they assume that its something that NASA put up, and so
they get NASA scientists to subject it to "microscopic scrutiny",
well before any ANSA agency member has any idea that one of their
shuttles from the Taylor mission had returned. And, once the
scuttlebutt regarding the "Ape-onauts" clogs the radiowaves
throughout the Defense Dept. establishment, it becomes impossible to
keep it a secret. Thus, an ANSA vehicle becomes subjected to the
examination of NASA scientists, who probably didn't even know about
the mission to begin with. Until, that is, they got their mitts on
that shuttle and "read the tapes"; they would have been intrigued
that these ships were equipped with dual chronometers which take into
account ANY type of Time Dilation effects, since their own NASA
technology is nowhere near as advanced as what the military ANSA guys
had secretly been developing...

Patrick

Kevin Smith is also a devout Catholic (I was on the set of "Jay and Bob"
and his car was full of religious stickers). As the guy who made "Dogma" he
shows not all "religious people are mindless zombies. Point taken, God lets
a lot of shit go down. Or maybe it's more complicated than that. James said
God isn't an invisible man, maybe so. Sometimes I think Heaven is like the
Red Room in "Twin Peaks". Did you see "Fire Walk With Me"? The shot callers
need pain and suffering, maybe we do too. Puts things in perspective. "Fire"
showed a more ambiguous universe. But I also see moments where there does
seem to be hope and intervention. Hitler was allowed to rule, but he did get
creamed. We managed not to blow ourselves up, despite things like the Cuban
Missile Crisis. You can say good acts are because of people, not God. But we
live in a miraculous world and I think something is out there, and it ain't
UFOs. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:13 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Religion IS a relevant and CRUCIAL topic
for POTA (OT)


> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Patrick is in league with SATAN!
> > I see your point but again I say you can't blame God or religion
> for the acts of crazoids. And anyway, it's not going to change.
> People need God. Personally, I need God. It just makes life seem more
> livable and sometimes things seem to be guided by an unseen hand.
> Obviously He/She/It doesn't intervene; I knew that long before 9/11.
> And when you get down to it, killing seems to be the natural order of
> things. People say it's a sin, etc. But it's part of the deal. You
> could ask, why did God create a world where creatures have to eat
> each other to survive, or fallible minds that go nuts. There's no
> easy answers. But I get the feeling your upbringing has made this a
> particularly sensitive issue for you. That's the nice thing about
> POTA, it allows us to look at these issues in a unique way. - - -
> Jeff
>
> *** Jeff, IF I believed in the existence of God, I would have little
> choice but to blame Him for all the misery that He COULD have
> prevented, if He'd only gotten off his fat ass and made a difference.
> Most religions have what they call "sins of commission" and "sins of
> omission". The former are overt acts (like Murdering, Raping,
> Stealing, etc.), and the latter refers to the things we SHOULD have
> done yet DIDN'T. Say, if you KNEW that your nextdoor neighbour was
> kidnapping, raping, murdering, and cannibalizing little children, and
> you did NOTHING to stop it, you would be guilty of a multitude
> of "sins of omission". You would be just as guilty as the creep next
> door, NOT by actually DOING something wrong, but by NOT doing the
> RIGHT thing.
> I hold "God" to the same standard. There is NO EXCUSE for any
> supposedly omniscient and omnipotent Being to sit idly by and allow
> atrocities to occur. If "God" exists, then He is the worst Sinner (of
> omission) in the Universe, bar none.
> Remember the movie "The Dead Zone"? At one point, Chris Walken is
> approached by Tom Skerritt's character (the local sheriff, or Chief
> of Police) in order to help solve a wave of serial murders; Walken,
> eventually, decides to help out, and the psychic trail leads to
> Skerritt's deputy. Walken, after "touching" that Deputy's mother,
> psychically becomes aware THAT SHE KNEW ALL ALONG THAT HER SON WAS A
> SERIAL KILLER. Walken, with moral disgust, says, "You KNEW?!"
> That's what I would say to "God" if He were to drag me before His
> throne on Judgment Day. I, not having been blessed (or cursed) with
> omniscience or omnipotence, would tell God that I have an excuse for
> not being able to rid the world of Evil... but what the hell is God's
> excuse? He "chooses" not to intervene? He purposely commits
> uncountable sins of omission, allowing guys like Hitler, Jeffrey
> Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Pol Pot, (etc.) to commit their "sins of
> commission"?
> Such a "god" is NOT a loving, righteous Divinity worthy of worship.
> He/she/it is a Monster. Like Doctor Frankenstein (in the novel), He
> has a duty towards his Creation (if, that is, He exists and DID
> create the Universe & Mankind). Frankenstein shirked his duty, and
> his Creature wreaked vengeance on him, and the one who deserved to
> take the fall for that was Dr. Frankenstein himself. So, too,
> does "God" deserve to take the fall for shirking his duty in regards
> to his "creation". If He isn't willing to act by His own code of
> morality ("Thou shalt not commit Murder" etc.), then He has no moral
> authority over any of us.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. I recommend that everybody out there run (Don't walk!) to your
> nearest comic book store and buy the 9-volume collection of the DC
> Comics/Vertigo title "PREACHER" by Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon. It's
> probably the best-written comic in the last 20 years; it's hilarious,
> thought-provoking, and revolves around a main character who has the
> same "beef" with God that I do. The first volume (of 9) sells for
> $14.95 (USA) and it's ISBN # is 1-56389-261-8. Kevin Smith said of
> it: "PREACHER is more fun than going to the movies." Coming from a
> guy who makes his own movies, that's something!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

> Yeah, I have that. It was a package on QVC; 4 blueprints (ship,

alphabet, ape city and something else) and a T-shirt. As opposed to a
LordT-shirt, which has profanity on it. - - - Jeff

*** Jeff! You HAVE this QVC package? Any chance you could post pics
of those "4 blueprints" on the site here? I've NEVER seen a blueprint
of Ape City, or any official thing regarding the Glyph-alphabet. The
ship blueprints were reprinted in that article by Jim Key for "SciFi
Modeller" (or whatever the hell its title was), but I've never seen
this other stuff. You HAVE it? Please, Jeff... SHARE!

Patrick

.html Hi Jeff,

That's the other Brian of APEMANIA, actor/voice-over man Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck.  Brian was a close personal friend of Roddy as well.  He's got some wonderful stuff on his estate, including the original Sammy Davis LG Statue.
(there were two full-size statues made and the courtroom "bleeder" bust.  Jacob's copy now resides in Irvine, CA; Sammy's copy (which urked Chambers when Jacobs gave it to Davis) now resides at Peck's place; and the "bleeder" courtrom bust is in Florida, tubes and all.   I've seen at least one Shag original in Brian's rompus room too!

The Sammy Davis LG is the one we duped, after losing the auction for the Jacob's one several years ago.

My personal Shag collection?  I have a Zaius sticker pinned to my bulletin board at the studio.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Hey Brian, someone here said they talked to a dealer of Shag original paintings and they said "Brian of Apemania" bought one of the originals (POTA related) as well as owning the original Lawgiver statue. Where they confused about a certain actor's Sammy Davis knockoff or did you finally nab the original? How well stocked is your Shag collection?- - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:57 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 In a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

-- Rory
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.htmlLordT-shirt, which has profanity on it. - - - Jeff

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.html I've looked into decom Madsens but because the receiver is part of the stamped stock, the only way you can legally purchase one (here in CA) is to receive it "torch-cut", which means a huge chunk of it is missing!  The chunk that holds it all together!

A Japanese company used to make 9mm blank firing Madsens in the 70's, but have long since discontinued them.  Those Japanese made the coolest toys for gun loving kids in the 70's.  Replica Models Company used to sell them all, until real looking blank firing automatics became illegal in most states.  They sure were fun to play with.  We never lost a battle in my neighborhood!

B

LordTZer0@... wrote:

 In a message dated 11/6/2002 2:44:22 AM Central Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 

Who's gunna spend that much for a toy?

Exactly.  So why not just get some Madsens?  It'd be cheaper in the long run.  If those are getting hard to find, you've got a lot of other's to chose from.  But the outer shells would have to be modified to fit them.  But anyone who showed up with one would be the coolest guy at the range, that's for sure!
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.html And as for the TOTALLY BAD HAIR replicas those APEMANIA clowns try to pass off on fans, I agree.
THEY SUCK!
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Here's a shot of the 35th Anniversary carbine's bolt.

Brian

.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/02 9:08:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Not when it comes to the MPAA. They're serious, perhaps a little too serious. But the thing with them is it's nebulous what bothers them. Maybe cut out a few frames of butt, have it on a few seconds less, and it'll pass. - - - Jeff

Save the butt as a DVD extra!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/02 9:35:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Sam Neill says they are busy working on "Jurassic Park 4" and he says they have a great story lined up, the best so far. Now, if they can do another one of these things, why not "Apes 2"? Both cost about the same and they were neck and neck in theatres. The last "Jurassic" also disappointed. Is there a 2001 movie that ISN'T getting a sequel besides "Apes"? Back in the '70's "Apes" was synonymous with milking a concept for everything they could, and now it can't even get arrested. Maybe they should cast Winina Ryder in it on that last score. - - - Jeff

Making a good APES movie is a lot harder than making a dinosaur movie.  And speaking of harder, I don't care what anyone says. . . Winona Ryder -- I'd do her!  OH!!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/02 10:15:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Like Doctor Frankenstein (in the novel), He
has a duty towards his Creation (if, that is, He exists and DID
create the Universe & Mankind). Frankenstein shirked his duty, and
his Creature wreaked vengeance on him, and the one who deserved to
take the fall for that was Dr. Frankenstein himself. So, too,
does "God" deserve to take the fall for shirking his duty in regards
to his "creation". If He isn't willing to act by His own code of
morality ("Thou shalt not commit Murder" etc.), then He has no moral
authority over any of us.

Patrick

"Frankenstein meets the Wolf Man"   Good flick!
"Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein"   Funny flick!
"Patrick talks Frankenstein"  BLAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/02 10:52:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** Jeff! You HAVE this QVC package? Any chance you could post pics
of those "4 blueprints" on the site here? I've NEVER seen a blueprint
of Ape City, or any official thing regarding the Glyph-alphabet. The
ship blueprints were reprinted in that article by Jim Key for "SciFi
Modeller" (or whatever the hell its title was), but I've never seen
this other stuff. You HAVE it? Please, Jeff... SHARE!

Patrick

It wasn't a blueprint of Ape City, but just a couple buildings.  The whole blueprint thing was kind of a rip off.  Jeff will concur.

-- Rory<.html

Patrick

I know you are anti-belief (and your comical emotional attempts to "prove"
there is no god are just as silly as your mothership theory), but show me a
dot of evidence that I am PRO-belief. I don't have a stance.

I am simply pointing out that your added assumptions (eg that if there is a
god it is logical that he/she/it would prevent 911 etc) are a portrayal of
your ignorance. You are thinking of the concept of heaven I think, where
supposedly these things would not happen.

Jeff's the pro-belief guy...see if you can rant to the point where you get
him off side too.

This is another example of your lack of ability to understand simple
concepts...that's why I often ponder whether you have any real intelligence
Patrick, and I have REAL evidence! Intelligence is about analysis,
hypothesis and evaluation Patrick.

Now, so you don't dodge the actual point again, I'll say that whomever the
author of Revelations may be (gee, you sure know a lot about the Bible!), it
has been argued, quite convincingly, that he was quite mad when he wrote the
book. And I can understand this view, unlike many who are pro-belief and
feel obliged to believe what the church tells them to. Now that would be a
silly CHOICE, again, not blaming RELIGION.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 1:43
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Aus Crawl (OT)
>
>
> *** Mike, one of the many things I do NOT know is the "original"
> Aboriginal name of the island-continent which was re-
> named "Australia" by the Brits. You live there, right? So, you tell
> me: What was its original name, and don't you think the Aborigines
> werre upset at the "name change"?
> I, for one, do not know if any of the "native Americans" had a single
> name for the continent that now is called "North America". Perhaps I
> should know this but, alas, I've never claimed to be a "know-it-all".
> The continent on which I was born was renamed after an Italian named
> Amerigo Vespucci; I wonder if anybody ever thought of naming
> it "Vespucci" rather than after his first name?
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. By the way, in regards to one of your earlier responses to
> my "god" rant, nobody (as far as I've ever heard) has ever suggested
> that the book of "Revelation" was written by Paul (Saul of Tarsus),
> the main character in the latter half of "Acts". The very first verse
> of "Revelation" says it was given to "John", supposedly the author of
> the 4th Gospel.
> But let's not let facts get in the way of your lil' pro-Belief
> messages!
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > I suspect the first thing that poor gerbil would see is your
> tonsils, Patrick.
> >
> > Get back to shifting those poles and denegrating countries with
> name changes.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > *** What Richard Gere's gerbil has to do to "see the light" again?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Not sure about the Aboriginal name for the country, but I relate to their
outrage at our invasion and name change. Why then do you find it so
difficult to fathom that I would be offended by your scenario? Do you think
it was nice of the Brits to kill off whole tribes and take/re-name the land?
I would think this is one of History's lessons that we would learn from (as
the Aboriginals are teaching us right now in the courts by re-claiming their
land under Native Title). Are you trying to justify or apologise?

Is that the little bit of Cartman coming out in you again when you say "I've
never claimed to be a "know-it-all"."? That is pretty funny. Or maybe you
have been falsely accused....

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 1:43
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Aus Crawl (OT)
>
>
> *** Mike, one of the many things I do NOT know is the "original"
> Aboriginal name of the island-continent which was re-
> named "Australia" by the Brits. You live there, right? So, you tell
> me: What was its original name, and don't you think the Aborigines
> werre upset at the "name change"?
> I, for one, do not know if any of the "native Americans" had a single
> name for the continent that now is called "North America". Perhaps I
> should know this but, alas, I've never claimed to be a "know-it-all".
> The continent on which I was born was renamed after an Italian named
> Amerigo Vespucci; I wonder if anybody ever thought of naming
> it "Vespucci" rather than after his first name?
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. By the way, in regards to one of your earlier responses to
> my "god" rant, nobody (as far as I've ever heard) has ever suggested
> that the book of "Revelation" was written by Paul (Saul of Tarsus),
> the main character in the latter half of "Acts". The very first verse
> of "Revelation" says it was given to "John", supposedly the author of
> the 4th Gospel.
> But let's not let facts get in the way of your lil' pro-Belief
> messages!
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > I suspect the first thing that poor gerbil would see is your
> tonsils, Patrick.
> >
> > Get back to shifting those poles and denegrating countries with
> name changes.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > *** What Richard Gere's gerbil has to do to "see the light" again?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

What caused 9/11 was intolerance for other people's beliefs. What
would of prevented it is respect & understand for other's beliefs. If
someone one wants to believe in God or a different version of God
more power to them. But don't tell me that I have to accept your God
or your non-believe in God.

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Patrick
>
> I know you are anti-belief (and your comical emotional attempts
to "prove"
> there is no god are just as silly as your mothership theory), but
show me a
> dot of evidence that I am PRO-belief. I don't have a stance.
>
> I am simply pointing out that your added assumptions (eg that if
there is a
> god it is logical that he/she/it would prevent 911 etc) are a
portrayal of
> your ignorance. You are thinking of the concept of heaven I think,
where
> supposedly these things would not happen.
>
> Jeff's the pro-belief guy...see if you can rant to the point where
you get
> him off side too.
>
> This is another example of your lack of ability to understand simple
> concepts...that's why I often ponder whether you have any real
intelligence
> Patrick, and I have REAL evidence! Intelligence is about analysis,
> hypothesis and evaluation Patrick.
>
> Now, so you don't dodge the actual point again, I'll say that
whomever the
> author of Revelations may be (gee, you sure know a lot about the
Bible!), it
> has been argued, quite convincingly, that he was quite mad when he
wrote the
> book. And I can understand this view, unlike many who are pro-
belief and
> feel obliged to believe what the church tells them to. Now that
would be a
> silly CHOICE, again, not blaming RELIGION.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 1:43
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Aus Crawl (OT)
> >
> >
> > *** Mike, one of the many things I do NOT know is the "original"
> > Aboriginal name of the island-continent which was re-
> > named "Australia" by the Brits. You live there, right? So, you
tell
> > me: What was its original name, and don't you think the Aborigines
> > werre upset at the "name change"?
> > I, for one, do not know if any of the "native Americans" had a
single
> > name for the continent that now is called "North America".
Perhaps I
> > should know this but, alas, I've never claimed to be a "know-it-
all".
> > The continent on which I was born was renamed after an Italian
named
> > Amerigo Vespucci; I wonder if anybody ever thought of naming
> > it "Vespucci" rather than after his first name?
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > P.S. By the way, in regards to one of your earlier responses to
> > my "god" rant, nobody (as far as I've ever heard) has ever
suggested
> > that the book of "Revelation" was written by Paul (Saul of
Tarsus),
> > the main character in the latter half of "Acts". The very first
verse
> > of "Revelation" says it was given to "John", supposedly the
author of
> > the 4th Gospel.
> > But let's not let facts get in the way of your lil' pro-Belief
> > messages!
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > I suspect the first thing that poor gerbil would see is your
> > tonsils, Patrick.
> > >
> > > Get back to shifting those poles and denegrating countries with
> > name changes.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > *** What Richard Gere's gerbil has to do to "see the light"
again?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >

Jeff,

Don't bother, he just does not understand.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 2:14
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Religion IS a relevant and CRUCIAL
> topic for POTA (OT)
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Patrick is in league with SATAN!
> > I see your point but again I say you can't blame God or religion
> for the acts of crazoids. And anyway, it's not going to change.
> People need God. Personally, I need God. It just makes life seem more
> livable and sometimes things seem to be guided by an unseen hand.
> Obviously He/She/It doesn't intervene; I knew that long before 9/11.
> And when you get down to it, killing seems to be the natural order of
> things. People say it's a sin, etc. But it's part of the deal. You
> could ask, why did God create a world where creatures have to eat
> each other to survive, or fallible minds that go nuts. There's no
> easy answers. But I get the feeling your upbringing has made this a
> particularly sensitive issue for you. That's the nice thing about
> POTA, it allows us to look at these issues in a unique way. - - -
> Jeff
>
> *** Jeff, IF I believed in the existence of God, I would have little
> choice but to blame Him for all the misery that He COULD have
> prevented, if He'd only gotten off his fat ass and made a difference.
> Most religions have what they call "sins of commission" and "sins of
> omission". The former are overt acts (like Murdering, Raping,
> Stealing, etc.), and the latter refers to the things we SHOULD have
> done yet DIDN'T. Say, if you KNEW that your nextdoor neighbour was
> kidnapping, raping, murdering, and cannibalizing little children, and
> you did NOTHING to stop it, you would be guilty of a multitude
> of "sins of omission". You would be just as guilty as the creep next
> door, NOT by actually DOING something wrong, but by NOT doing the
> RIGHT thing.
> I hold "God" to the same standard. There is NO EXCUSE for any
> supposedly omniscient and omnipotent Being to sit idly by and allow
> atrocities to occur. If "God" exists, then He is the worst Sinner (of
> omission) in the Universe, bar none.
> Remember the movie "The Dead Zone"? At one point, Chris Walken is
> approached by Tom Skerritt's character (the local sheriff, or Chief
> of Police) in order to help solve a wave of serial murders; Walken,
> eventually, decides to help out, and the psychic trail leads to
> Skerritt's deputy. Walken, after "touching" that Deputy's mother,
> psychically becomes aware THAT SHE KNEW ALL ALONG THAT HER SON WAS A
> SERIAL KILLER. Walken, with moral disgust, says, "You KNEW?!"
> That's what I would say to "God" if He were to drag me before His
> throne on Judgment Day. I, not having been blessed (or cursed) with
> omniscience or omnipotence, would tell God that I have an excuse for
> not being able to rid the world of Evil... but what the hell is God's
> excuse? He "chooses" not to intervene? He purposely commits
> uncountable sins of omission, allowing guys like Hitler, Jeffrey
> Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Pol Pot, (etc.) to commit their "sins of
> commission"?
> Such a "god" is NOT a loving, righteous Divinity worthy of worship.
> He/she/it is a Monster. Like Doctor Frankenstein (in the novel), He
> has a duty towards his Creation (if, that is, He exists and DID
> create the Universe & Mankind). Frankenstein shirked his duty, and
> his Creature wreaked vengeance on him, and the one who deserved to
> take the fall for that was Dr. Frankenstein himself. So, too,
> does "God" deserve to take the fall for shirking his duty in regards
> to his "creation". If He isn't willing to act by His own code of
> morality ("Thou shalt not commit Murder" etc.), then He has no moral
> authority over any of us.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. I recommend that everybody out there run (Don't walk!) to your
> nearest comic book store and buy the 9-volume collection of the DC
> Comics/Vertigo title "PREACHER" by Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon. It's
> probably the best-written comic in the last 20 years; it's hilarious,
> thought-provoking, and revolves around a main character who has the
> same "beef" with God that I do. The first volume (of 9) sells for
> $14.95 (USA) and it's ISBN # is 1-56389-261-8. Kevin Smith said of
> it: "PREACHER is more fun than going to the movies." Coming from a
> guy who makes his own movies, that's something!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Jeff doesn't have a scanner.

Send me a gerbil and I'll consider doing it.

Please remove all claws first.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 2:51
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Yeah, I have that. It was a package on QVC; 4 blueprints (ship,
> alphabet, ape city and something else) and a T-shirt. As opposed to a
> LordT-shirt, which has profanity on it. - - - Jeff
>
> *** Jeff! You HAVE this QVC package? Any chance you could post pics
> of those "4 blueprints" on the site here? I've NEVER seen a blueprint
> of Ape City, or any official thing regarding the Glyph-alphabet. The
> ship blueprints were reprinted in that article by Jim Key for "SciFi
> Modeller" (or whatever the hell its title was), but I've never seen
> this other stuff. You HAVE it? Please, Jeff... SHARE!
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I think if you had children you MIGHT understand Patrick.

You do what you can for them, but you can't live their lives for them.

You see they make choices you don't like so you do what you can to get the
message across about what the choice should be, but you would impinge on
their freedom if you intervened all the time.

I think it's all about free will Patrick. Otherwise we would all be puppets
and slaves.

Lots of people lose their faith through tragedies like 911, the rape and
murder of their children etc, but don't you think it would be a more adult
approach to blame mankind?

I'm getting tired of trying to explain to you Patrick...if you don't get it
now, you never will.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 2:48
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Religion IS a relevant and CRUCIAL
> topic for POTA (OT)
>
>
> Kevin Smith is also a devout Catholic (I was on the set of "Jay and Bob"
> and his car was full of religious stickers). As the guy who made
> "Dogma" he
> shows not all "religious people are mindless zombies. Point
> taken, God lets
> a lot of shit go down. Or maybe it's more complicated than that.
> James said
> God isn't an invisible man, maybe so. Sometimes I think Heaven is like the
> Red Room in "Twin Peaks". Did you see "Fire Walk With Me"? The
> shot callers
> need pain and suffering, maybe we do too. Puts things in
> perspective. "Fire"
> showed a more ambiguous universe. But I also see moments where there does
> seem to be hope and intervention. Hitler was allowed to rule, but
> he did get
> creamed. We managed not to blow ourselves up, despite things like
> the Cuban
> Missile Crisis. You can say good acts are because of people, not
> God. But we
> live in a miraculous world and I think something is out there,
> and it ain't
> UFOs. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:13 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Religion IS a relevant and CRUCIAL topic
> for POTA (OT)
>
>
> > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > Patrick is in league with SATAN!
> > > I see your point but again I say you can't blame God or religion
> > for the acts of crazoids. And anyway, it's not going to change.
> > People need God. Personally, I need God. It just makes life seem more
> > livable and sometimes things seem to be guided by an unseen hand.
> > Obviously He/She/It doesn't intervene; I knew that long before 9/11.
> > And when you get down to it, killing seems to be the natural order of
> > things. People say it's a sin, etc. But it's part of the deal. You
> > could ask, why did God create a world where creatures have to eat
> > each other to survive, or fallible minds that go nuts. There's no
> > easy answers. But I get the feeling your upbringing has made this a
> > particularly sensitive issue for you. That's the nice thing about
> > POTA, it allows us to look at these issues in a unique way. - - -
> > Jeff
> >
> > *** Jeff, IF I believed in the existence of God, I would have little
> > choice but to blame Him for all the misery that He COULD have
> > prevented, if He'd only gotten off his fat ass and made a difference.
> > Most religions have what they call "sins of commission" and "sins of
> > omission". The former are overt acts (like Murdering, Raping,
> > Stealing, etc.), and the latter refers to the things we SHOULD have
> > done yet DIDN'T. Say, if you KNEW that your nextdoor neighbour was
> > kidnapping, raping, murdering, and cannibalizing little children, and
> > you did NOTHING to stop it, you would be guilty of a multitude
> > of "sins of omission". You would be just as guilty as the creep next
> > door, NOT by actually DOING something wrong, but by NOT doing the
> > RIGHT thing.
> > I hold "God" to the same standard. There is NO EXCUSE for any
> > supposedly omniscient and omnipotent Being to sit idly by and allow
> > atrocities to occur. If "God" exists, then He is the worst Sinner (of
> > omission) in the Universe, bar none.
> > Remember the movie "The Dead Zone"? At one point, Chris Walken is
> > approached by Tom Skerritt's character (the local sheriff, or Chief
> > of Police) in order to help solve a wave of serial murders; Walken,
> > eventually, decides to help out, and the psychic trail leads to
> > Skerritt's deputy. Walken, after "touching" that Deputy's mother,
> > psychically becomes aware THAT SHE KNEW ALL ALONG THAT HER SON WAS A
> > SERIAL KILLER. Walken, with moral disgust, says, "You KNEW?!"
> > That's what I would say to "God" if He were to drag me before His
> > throne on Judgment Day. I, not having been blessed (or cursed) with
> > omniscience or omnipotence, would tell God that I have an excuse for
> > not being able to rid the world of Evil... but what the hell is God's
> > excuse? He "chooses" not to intervene? He purposely commits
> > uncountable sins of omission, allowing guys like Hitler, Jeffrey
> > Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Pol Pot, (etc.) to commit their "sins of
> > commission"?
> > Such a "god" is NOT a loving, righteous Divinity worthy of worship.
> > He/she/it is a Monster. Like Doctor Frankenstein (in the novel), He
> > has a duty towards his Creation (if, that is, He exists and DID
> > create the Universe & Mankind). Frankenstein shirked his duty, and
> > his Creature wreaked vengeance on him, and the one who deserved to
> > take the fall for that was Dr. Frankenstein himself. So, too,
> > does "God" deserve to take the fall for shirking his duty in regards
> > to his "creation". If He isn't willing to act by His own code of
> > morality ("Thou shalt not commit Murder" etc.), then He has no moral
> > authority over any of us.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > P.S. I recommend that everybody out there run (Don't walk!) to your
> > nearest comic book store and buy the 9-volume collection of the DC
> > Comics/Vertigo title "PREACHER" by Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon. It's
> > probably the best-written comic in the last 20 years; it's hilarious,
> > thought-provoking, and revolves around a main character who has the
> > same "beef" with God that I do. The first volume (of 9) sells for
> > $14.95 (USA) and it's ISBN # is 1-56389-261-8. Kevin Smith said of
> > it: "PREACHER is more fun than going to the movies." Coming from a
> > guy who makes his own movies, that's something!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>
>

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Yes, I have the blank firing Uzi.  My real Uzi was sold years ago.  I'm sure I could put a Madsen on a Form 3, if I could find one that is.  I don't know how I'd get it to you to have it customized though.<.html

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And as for the TOTALLY BAD HAIR replicas those APEMANIA clowns try to pass off on fans, I agree.
THEY SUCK!
Who do those jerks think they are selling such offensive junk?!!!

What?  That's not you?  Or are you being funny?
In any case...Where can the good hairgoods be obtained?
Are there companies that do work outside the studios?

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/2002 12:11:39 PM Central Standard Time, apeman@... writes:

Here's a shot of the 35th Anniversary carbine's bolt.

Hmmm...Kind of a turn off to that piece.
I doubt the real apes would have that on their guns.

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/2002 12:28:17 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Winona Ryder -- I'd do her!  OH!!!

Winnona Ryder?  I'd do her.  But I wouldn't want her hangin' out afterwards.  "Make me a sandwich on your way out Honey.  And stay away from the sharp knives and the good silver, kay?  OH!!!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/2002 12:31:15 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

He has a duty towards his Creation

No He doesn't.  If a baker doesn't like the way a loaf of bread comes out, he can chuck it in the bin.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/2002 2:59:48 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

(eg that if there is a god it is logical that he/she/it would prevent 911 etc)

I can't think of an argument that disproves God.  Except perhaps if there was a God he would have made sure Patrick was there on 9/11.  I can see the nose of the plane driving his head into a computer monitor now.  Mooowaaahahahaha!!!  Sorry I got carried away there.

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Denise richards was horrible! altho hot when peeling out of
overalls! My favorite Bond girl is not "official"...Barbara Carrera as
Fatima Blush in "Never Say Never Again" She blowed up real
good...always had the hots for her growing up since I saw
"Island of Dr. Moreau"......

Tim

.--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> She was cute but she's a grandmother by now. I'll still go with
> Denise.
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > The best Bond girl was that little Jap one who climbed the

volcano

> in "You
> > Only Live Twice"! I'd little stir her saki. Ah So!

Who cares if she can act. It's how well that she speaks russian that
matters;-)

--- In pota@y..., "Tim" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> Denise richards was horrible! altho hot when peeling out of
> overalls! My favorite Bond girl is not "official"...Barbara
Carrera as
> Fatima Blush in "Never Say Never Again" She blowed up real
> good...always had the hots for her growing up since I saw
> "Island of Dr. Moreau"......
>
> Tim

Oh and...MICHELLE YEOH in "Tomorrow Never Dies"

tim

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I like the one on the poster for "Octopussy" with all the arms. -
- - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Bond-Oh! (OT)
>
>
> In a message dated 11/5/02 10:18:22 PM Eastern Standard
Time, JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
>
> That would have to be Denise Richards.
>
> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > Who's everyone's fave Bond Girl?
>
>
>
>
>
> Denise Richards sucks Charlie Sheen's cock!
>
> The best Bond girl was that little Jap one who climbed the
volcano in "You Only Live Twice"! I'd little stir her saki. Ah So!
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/2002 6:01:45 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

Oh and...MICHELLE YEOH in "Tomorrow Never Dies"

I'd like to change my vote again...

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The election was yesterday, no changing votes;-)

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/6/2002 6:01:45 PM Central Standard Time,
> apefan23@y... writes:
>
> > Oh and...MICHELLE YEOH in "Tomorrow Never Dies"
> >
>
> I'd like to change my vote again...

oh yeah again...! and those two wrestling russian gypsy babes
"from russia with love..."

--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> The election was yesterday, no changing votes;-)
>
> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > In a message dated 11/6/2002 6:01:45 PM Central Standard
Time,
> > apefan23@y... writes:
> >
> > > Oh and...MICHELLE YEOH in "Tomorrow Never Dies"
> > >
> >
> > I'd like to change my vote again...

.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/02 7:16:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

The election was yesterday, no changing votes;-)

I just remembered Bambi and Thumper.  I want them to kick my ass.<.html

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/02 7:22:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

oh yeah again...! and those two wrestling russian gypsy babes
"from russia with love..."

One of them was Martine Beswick, who was also in THUNDEROUSBALLS, and was the dark-haired cave babe who fought Raquel Welch in ONE MILLION YEARS B.C.     Oh yes, I remember her well. <.html

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She was also the queen of the dark-haired women in PREHISTORIC WOMEN.  That's a really good movie -- NOT!



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I'm sure you have a lot of takers to kick your ass;-)

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> I just remembered Bambi and Thumper. I want them to kick my ass.

I'll see what I can do. They're huge. They are basically a practical
blueprint for how to build that stuff, they don't contribute to the
storytelling in any way. And it's already been mentioned the alphabet was a
wash. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs


> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Yeah, I have that. It was a package on QVC; 4 blueprints (ship,
> alphabet, ape city and something else) and a T-shirt. As opposed to a
> LordT-shirt, which has profanity on it. - - - Jeff
>
> *** Jeff! You HAVE this QVC package? Any chance you could post pics
> of those "4 blueprints" on the site here? I've NEVER seen a blueprint
> of Ape City, or any official thing regarding the Glyph-alphabet. The
> ship blueprints were reprinted in that article by Jim Key for "SciFi
> Modeller" (or whatever the hell its title was), but I've never seen
> this other stuff. You HAVE it? Please, Jeff... SHARE!
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

Hi Jeff,

That's the other Brian of APEMANIA, actor/voice-over man Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck.  Brian was a close personal friend of Roddy as well.  He's got some wonderful stuff on his estate, including the original Sammy Davis LG Statue.
(there were two full-size statues made and the courtroom "bleeder" bust.  Jacob's copy now resides in Irvine, CA; Sammy's copy (which urked Chambers when Jacobs gave it to Davis) now resides at Peck's place; and the "bleeder" courtrom bust is in Florida, tubes and all.   I've seen at least one Shag original in Brian's rompus room too!

The Sammy Davis LG is the one we duped, after losing the auction for the Jacob's one several years ago.

My personal Shag collection?  I have a Zaius sticker pinned to my bulletin board at the studio.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Hey Brian, someone here said they talked to a dealer of Shag original paintings and they said "Brian of Apemania" bought one of the originals (POTA related) as well as owning the original Lawgiver statue. Where they confused about a certain actor's Sammy Davis knockoff or did you finally nab the original? How well stocked is your Shag collection?- - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:57 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 In a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

Hi Jeff,

That's the other Brian of APEMANIA, actor/voice-over man Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck.  Brian was a close personal friend of Roddy as well.  He's got some wonderful stuff on his estate, including the original Sammy Davis LG Statue.
(there were two full-size statues made and the courtroom "bleeder" bust.  Jacob's copy now resides in Irvine, CA; Sammy's copy (which urked Chambers when Jacobs gave it to Davis) now resides at Peck's place; and the "bleeder" courtrom bust is in Florida, tubes and all.   I've seen at least one Shag original in Brian's rompus room too!

The Sammy Davis LG is the one we duped, after losing the auction for the Jacob's one several years ago.

My personal Shag collection?  I have a Zaius sticker pinned to my bulletin board at the studio.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Hey Brian, someone here said they talked to a dealer of Shag original paintings and they said "Brian of Apemania" bought one of the originals (POTA related) as well as owning the original Lawgiver statue. Where they confused about a certain actor's Sammy Davis knockoff or did you finally nab the original? How well stocked is your Shag collection?- - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:57 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 In a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

In a message dated 11/6/02 10:52:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** Jeff! You HAVE this QVC package? Any chance you could post pics
of those "4 blueprints" on the site here? I've NEVER seen a blueprint
of Ape City, or any official thing regarding the Glyph-alphabet. The
ship blueprints were reprinted in that article by Jim Key for "SciFi
Modeller" (or whatever the hell its title was), but I've never seen
this other stuff. You HAVE it? Please, Jeff... SHARE!

Patrick

It wasn't a blueprint of Ape City, but just a couple buildings.  The whole blueprint thing was kind of a rip off.  Jeff will concur.

-- Rory
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.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/02 8:36:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I'm sure you have a lot of takers to kick your ass;-)

Hey, I'm a nice guy.  I just like messin' with people.<.html

"I'm ashamed, when I think about it. All the mistakes I've made. All the
wrong ways I looked for God". - - - Jesus, "Last Temptation of Christ"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:51 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Pro-what?(OT)


> Patrick
>
> I know you are anti-belief (and your comical emotional attempts to "prove"
> there is no god are just as silly as your mothership theory), but show me
a
> dot of evidence that I am PRO-belief. I don't have a stance.
>
> I am simply pointing out that your added assumptions (eg that if there is
a
> god it is logical that he/she/it would prevent 911 etc) are a portrayal of
> your ignorance. You are thinking of the concept of heaven I think, where
> supposedly these things would not happen.
>
> Jeff's the pro-belief guy...see if you can rant to the point where you get
> him off side too.
>
> This is another example of your lack of ability to understand simple
> concepts...that's why I often ponder whether you have any real
intelligence
> Patrick, and I have REAL evidence! Intelligence is about analysis,
> hypothesis and evaluation Patrick.
>
> Now, so you don't dodge the actual point again, I'll say that whomever the
> author of Revelations may be (gee, you sure know a lot about the Bible!),
it
> has been argued, quite convincingly, that he was quite mad when he wrote
the
> book. And I can understand this view, unlike many who are pro-belief and
> feel obliged to believe what the church tells them to. Now that would be
a
> silly CHOICE, again, not blaming RELIGION.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 1:43
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Aus Crawl (OT)
> >
> >
> > *** Mike, one of the many things I do NOT know is the "original"
> > Aboriginal name of the island-continent which was re-
> > named "Australia" by the Brits. You live there, right? So, you tell
> > me: What was its original name, and don't you think the Aborigines
> > werre upset at the "name change"?
> > I, for one, do not know if any of the "native Americans" had a single
> > name for the continent that now is called "North America". Perhaps I
> > should know this but, alas, I've never claimed to be a "know-it-all".
> > The continent on which I was born was renamed after an Italian named
> > Amerigo Vespucci; I wonder if anybody ever thought of naming
> > it "Vespucci" rather than after his first name?
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > P.S. By the way, in regards to one of your earlier responses to
> > my "god" rant, nobody (as far as I've ever heard) has ever suggested
> > that the book of "Revelation" was written by Paul (Saul of Tarsus),
> > the main character in the latter half of "Acts". The very first verse
> > of "Revelation" says it was given to "John", supposedly the author of
> > the 4th Gospel.
> > But let's not let facts get in the way of your lil' pro-Belief
> > messages!
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > I suspect the first thing that poor gerbil would see is your
> > tonsils, Patrick.
> > >
> > > Get back to shifting those poles and denegrating countries with
> > name changes.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > *** What Richard Gere's gerbil has to do to "see the light" again?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/02 11:02:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Not a rip off. $30 including a rare shirt (of the original poster). It's the only thing I have that even top collectors say,"You have that? I must see it!". - - - Jeff

You have a T-shirt with the PLANET "cage" 1-sheet on it?

-- Rory<.html

Great stuff, Brian!

Now, if I could only find someone to reproduce the guns used
in "Army of the Apes" (Saru no Gundan), I'd be ecstatic! Wishful
thinking, I guess. Long live Gebâ!

Yours,
Menluth.

¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing
list on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!

--- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> Still on the APE ARSENAL topic:
>
> For anyone interested, we manufacture highly detailed replicas of
the
> APE weapons, including a 30th Anniversary Airsoft (now
discontinued to
> make room for the 35th Anniversary models for next year) you can
see
> some decent images of this item at
> <http://www.apemania.com/WEAPONS/DeluxeAirsoft.jpeg>. They're
really
> fun, as long as you are not at the receiving end of the barrel!!!
>
> Brian

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In a message dated 11/6/02 11:58:08 PM, veetus@... writes:

<< The Shag original of Brian's must be the one the dealer referred to.
Gorillas in a bar? >>

It was this one:

http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/drunkcleric.html"

Actually, it was Shag's brother (Piet) I was talking to at the Detroit show.

Matt

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Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:06 PM

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In a message dated 11/6/02 11:02:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Not a rip off. $30 including a rare shirt (of the original poster). It's the only thing I have that even top collectors say,"You have that? I must see it!". - - - Jeff

You have a T-shirt with the PLANET "cage" 1-sheet on it?

-- Rory
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That would be awesome. Did he say how much he paid? - - - Jeff

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> In a message dated 11/6/02 11:58:08 PM, veetus@... writes:
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> << The Shag original of Brian's must be the one the dealer referred to.
> Gorillas in a bar? >>
>
> It was this one:
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/drunkcleric.html"
>
> Actually, it was Shag's brother (Piet) I was talking to at the Detroit
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> Matt
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In a message dated 11/7/02 12:32:14 AM, veetus@... writes:

<< That would be awesome. Did he say how much he paid? >>

No, that painting didn't have a price because it wasn't for sale (Brian
already owned it. I guess he just lent it to Shag so he would have more
originals to show in the gallery). Judging from the size and the prices on
the other paintings I would guess it was in the $4000 to $5000 range.

Matt

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.html Uh, are people getting a bit touchy on this site these days or is it just me?
Jeff, I think you missed something here...You know I wouldn't slam anybody ('cept maybe Lord t' Zero) intentionally.

If you are referring to my crediting my friend Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck as a dig to his love-life, you missed the plug.  "Last American Virgin" was his first film and the one we remember him by most (cuz they filmed it at our high school).  Maybe I should have put Brian "the Hot dog vender with Stan Lee on the beach in X-men" Peck, but then someone would probably think I was slamming his eating habits or something.  I give up.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

  You still have that magazine I sent you, don't you? With his Zauis on the cover. I've never seen Brian's place but he's a nice guy. That crack about his sexual experience was uncalled for. - - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 Hi Jeff,

That's the other Brian of APEMANIA, actor/voice-over man Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck.  Brian was a close personal friend of Roddy as well.  He's got some wonderful stuff on his estate, including the original Sammy Davis LG Statue.
(there were two full-size statues made and the courtroom "bleeder" bust.  Jacob's copy now resides in Irvine, CA; Sammy's copy (which urked Chambers when Jacobs gave it to Davis) now resides at Peck's place; and the "bleeder" courtrom bust is in Florida, tubes and all.   I've seen at least one Shag original in Brian's rompus room too!

The Sammy Davis LG is the one we duped, after losing the auction for the Jacob's one several years ago.

My personal Shag collection?  I have a Zaius sticker pinned to my bulletin board at the studio.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Hey Brian, someone here said they talked to a dealer of Shag original paintings and they said "Brian of Apemania" bought one of the originals (POTA related) as well as owning the original Lawgiver statue. Where they confused about a certain actor's Sammy Davis knockoff or did you finally nab the original? How well stocked is your Shag collection?- - - Jeff

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 In a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

-- Rory
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Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hams and Slams

Uh, are people getting a bit touchy on this site these days or is it just me?
Jeff, I think you missed something here...You know I wouldn't slam anybody ('cept maybe Lord t' Zero) intentionally.

If you are referring to my crediting my friend Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck as a dig to his love-life, you missed the plug.  "Last American Virgin" was his first film and the one we remember him by most (cuz they filmed it at our high school).  Maybe I should have put Brian "the Hot dog vender with Stan Lee on the beach in X-men" Peck, but then someone would probably think I was slamming his eating habits or something.  I give up.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

  You still have that magazine I sent you, don't you? With his Zauis on the cover. I've never seen Brian's place but he's a nice guy. That crack about his sexual experience was uncalled for. - - - Jeff  

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 Hi Jeff,

That's the other Brian of APEMANIA, actor/voice-over man Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck.  Brian was a close personal friend of Roddy as well.  He's got some wonderful stuff on his estate, including the original Sammy Davis LG Statue.
(there were two full-size statues made and the courtroom "bleeder" bust.  Jacob's copy now resides in Irvine, CA; Sammy's copy (which urked Chambers when Jacobs gave it to Davis) now resides at Peck's place; and the "bleeder" courtrom bust is in Florida, tubes and all.   I've seen at least one Shag original in Brian's rompus room too!

The Sammy Davis LG is the one we duped, after losing the auction for the Jacob's one several years ago.

My personal Shag collection?  I have a Zaius sticker pinned to my bulletin board at the studio.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Hey Brian, someone here said they talked to a dealer of Shag original paintings and they said "Brian of Apemania" bought one of the originals (POTA related) as well as owning the original Lawgiver statue. Where they confused about a certain actor's Sammy Davis knockoff or did you finally nab the original? How well stocked is your Shag collection?- - - Jeff

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 In a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

-- Rory
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.html My understanding from what Chambers and others have told me, is that there were two full-size statues, and one bust.  One of the full-sizers was used on location, the other stayed on the lot on the sound stages.  Sammy asked Jacobs if he could have one of them at the end of the film, and Jacobs obliged, which upset Chambers because the statue was already promised to him.  The other statue stayed in Jacobs/Trundy possession until it was auctioned off in '98.  

The courtroom bust (used in Taylor's tribunal) was later used for the bleeding close-ups in Beneath, and now resides in Florida.

Natalie may be remembering stuff from the BENEATH shoot, stating that there was only the one statue (the other being on Sammy's estate), because she's made comments about them having to cart it back and forth to the desert, and it was only seen in the desert in BENEATH.

I don't know the name of the Shag that Brian"Return of the Living Dead" Peck has, but I do know it shows Zaius at a bar.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Are you saying the statues used in the movies were neither Jacobs' nor Sammy's? Natalie said Jacobs' was the one used in the movie; Sammy's was created from that after the fact. The Shag original of Brian's must be the one the dealer referred to. Gorillas in a bar? - - - Jeff  

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 Hi Jeff,

That's the other Brian of APEMANIA, actor/voice-over man Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck.  Brian was a close personal friend of Roddy as well.  He's got some wonderful stuff on his estate, including the original Sammy Davis LG Statue.
(there were two full-size statues made and the courtroom "bleeder" bust.  Jacob's copy now resides in Irvine, CA; Sammy's copy (which urked Chambers when Jacobs gave it to Davis) now resides at Peck's place; and the "bleeder" courtrom bust is in Florida, tubes and all.   I've seen at least one Shag original in Brian's rompus room too!

The Sammy Davis LG is the one we duped, after losing the auction for the Jacob's one several years ago.

My personal Shag collection?  I have a Zaius sticker pinned to my bulletin board at the studio.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Hey Brian, someone here said they talked to a dealer of Shag original paintings and they said "Brian of Apemania" bought one of the originals (POTA related) as well as owning the original Lawgiver statue. Where they confused about a certain actor's Sammy Davis knockoff or did you finally nab the original? How well stocked is your Shag collection?- - - Jeff

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Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:57 AM

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 In a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

-- Rory
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.html "Army of the What?"  Sounds fun.  Another Japanese attempt like "A Time For Apes"?

Menluth wrote:

Great stuff, Brian!

Now, if I could only find someone to reproduce the guns used
in "Army of the Apes" (Saru no Gundan), I'd be ecstatic! Wishful
thinking, I guess. Long live Gebâ!

Yours,
Menluth.

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> Still on the APE ARSENAL  topic:
>
> For anyone interested, we manufacture highly detailed replicas of
the
> APE weapons, including a 30th Anniversary Airsoft (now
discontinued to
> make room for the 35th Anniversary models for next year) you can
see
> some decent images of this item at
> <http://www.apemania.com/WEAPONS/DeluxeAirsoft.jpeg>.  They're
really
> fun, as long as you are not at the receiving end of the barrel!!!
>
> Brian
 
 

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MTotsky@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/6/02 11:58:08 PM, veetus@... writes:

<< The Shag original of Brian's must be the one the dealer referred to.
Gorillas in a bar?  >>

It was this one:

http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/drunkcleric.html"

Actually, it was Shag's brother (Piet) I was talking to at the Detroit show.

Matt

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From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:36 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Statues and Shags

My understanding from what Chambers and others have told me, is that there were two full-size statues, and one bust.  One of the full-sizers was used on location, the other stayed on the lot on the sound stages.  Sammy asked Jacobs if he could have one of them at the end of the film, and Jacobs obliged, which upset Chambers because the statue was already promised to him.  The other statue stayed in Jacobs/Trundy possession until it was auctioned off in '98.  

The courtroom bust (used in Taylor's tribunal) was later used for the bleeding close-ups in Beneath, and now resides in Florida.

Natalie may be remembering stuff from the BENEATH shoot, stating that there was only the one statue (the other being on Sammy's estate), because she's made comments about them having to cart it back and forth to the desert, and it was only seen in the desert in BENEATH.

I don't know the name of the Shag that Brian"Return of the Living Dead" Peck has, but I do know it shows Zaius at a bar.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Are you saying the statues used in the movies were neither Jacobs' nor Sammy's? Natalie said Jacobs' was the one used in the movie; Sammy's was created from that after the fact. The Shag original of Brian's must be the one the dealer referred to. Gorillas in a bar? - - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 Hi Jeff,

That's the other Brian of APEMANIA, actor/voice-over man Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck.  Brian was a close personal friend of Roddy as well.  He's got some wonderful stuff on his estate, including the original Sammy Davis LG Statue.
(there were two full-size statues made and the courtroom "bleeder" bust.  Jacob's copy now resides in Irvine, CA; Sammy's copy (which urked Chambers when Jacobs gave it to Davis) now resides at Peck's place; and the "bleeder" courtrom bust is in Florida, tubes and all.   I've seen at least one Shag original in Brian's rompus room too!

The Sammy Davis LG is the one we duped, after losing the auction for the Jacob's one several years ago.

My personal Shag collection?  I have a Zaius sticker pinned to my bulletin board at the studio.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Hey Brian, someone here said they talked to a dealer of Shag original paintings and they said "Brian of Apemania" bought one of the originals (POTA related) as well as owning the original Lawgiver statue. Where they confused about a certain actor's Sammy Davis knockoff or did you finally nab the original? How well stocked is your Shag collection?- - - Jeff

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:57 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 In a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

-- Rory
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Hey, what's that Kira mask at right now anyway?  Anyone taking bets on how hi it will go?

B
 
 

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 When those people at Apemania have a bad hair day, they REALLY have a bad hair day!
 

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veetus@... wrote:

  Naw, I knew it was a movie, I was just kidding around. Now who's touchy? - - - Jeff  

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:25 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hams and Slams

 Uh, are people getting a bit touchy on this site these days or is it just me?
Jeff, I think you missed something here...You know I wouldn't slam anybody ('cept maybe Lord t' Zero) intentionally.

If you are referring to my crediting my friend Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck as a dig to his love-life, you missed the plug.  "Last American Virgin" was his first film and the one we remember him by most (cuz they filmed it at our high school).  Maybe I should have put Brian "the Hot dog vender with Stan Lee on the beach in X-men" Peck, but then someone would probably think I was slamming his eating habits or something.  I give up.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

  You still have that magazine I sent you, don't you? With his Zauis on the cover. I've never seen Brian's place but he's a nice guy. That crack about his sexual experience was uncalled for. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 Hi Jeff,

That's the other Brian of APEMANIA, actor/voice-over man Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck.  Brian was a close personal friend of Roddy as well.  He's got some wonderful stuff on his estate, including the original Sammy Davis LG Statue.
(there were two full-size statues made and the courtroom "bleeder" bust.  Jacob's copy now resides in Irvine, CA; Sammy's copy (which urked Chambers when Jacobs gave it to Davis) now resides at Peck's place; and the "bleeder" courtrom bust is in Florida, tubes and all.   I've seen at least one Shag original in Brian's rompus room too!

The Sammy Davis LG is the one we duped, after losing the auction for the Jacob's one several years ago.

My personal Shag collection?  I have a Zaius sticker pinned to my bulletin board at the studio.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Hey Brian, someone here said they talked to a dealer of Shag original paintings and they said "Brian of Apemania" bought one of the originals (POTA related) as well as owning the original Lawgiver statue. Where they confused about a certain actor's Sammy Davis knockoff or did you finally nab the original? How well stocked is your Shag collection?- - - Jeff

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:57 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 In a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

-- Rory
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B

veetus@... wrote:

   It's too bad Chambers died before they put the Caesar statue at the Motion Picture Home. Natalie said they had that Lawgiver Statue specially made for Sammy, but if John told you different he's probably right. Remember that newspaper/magazine I sent you a couple years ago with Shag's Zauis at the bar on the cover? It came with that 20th Century montage I did ("I leave the 20th Century with no regrets"). - - Jeff  

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:36 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Statues and Shags

 My understanding from what Chambers and others have told me, is that there were two full-size statues, and one bust.  One of the full-sizers was used on location, the other stayed on the lot on the sound stages.  Sammy asked Jacobs if he could have one of them at the end of the film, and Jacobs obliged, which upset Chambers because the statue was already promised to him.  The other statue stayed in Jacobs/Trundy possession until it was auctioned off in '98.

The courtroom bust (used in Taylor's tribunal) was later used for the bleeding close-ups in Beneath, and now resides in Florida.

Natalie may be remembering stuff from the BENEATH shoot, stating that there was only the one statue (the other being on Sammy's estate), because she's made comments about them having to cart it back and forth to the desert, and it was only seen in the desert in BENEATH.

I don't know the name of the Shag that Brian"Return of the Living Dead" Peck has, but I do know it shows Zaius at a bar.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Are you saying the statues used in the movies were neither Jacobs' nor Sammy's? Natalie said Jacobs' was the one used in the movie; Sammy's was created from that after the fact. The Shag original of Brian's must be the one the dealer referred to. Gorillas in a bar? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 Hi Jeff,

That's the other Brian of APEMANIA, actor/voice-over man Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck.  Brian was a close personal friend of Roddy as well.  He's got some wonderful stuff on his estate, including the original Sammy Davis LG Statue.
(there were two full-size statues made and the courtroom "bleeder" bust.  Jacob's copy now resides in Irvine, CA; Sammy's copy (which urked Chambers when Jacobs gave it to Davis) now resides at Peck's place; and the "bleeder" courtrom bust is in Florida, tubes and all.   I've seen at least one Shag original in Brian's rompus room too!

The Sammy Davis LG is the one we duped, after losing the auction for the Jacob's one several years ago.

My personal Shag collection?  I have a Zaius sticker pinned to my bulletin board at the studio.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Hey Brian, someone here said they talked to a dealer of Shag original paintings and they said "Brian of Apemania" bought one of the originals (POTA related) as well as owning the original Lawgiver statue. Where they confused about a certain actor's Sammy Davis knockoff or did you finally nab the original? How well stocked is your Shag collection?- - - Jeff

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Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:57 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 In a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

-- Rory
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.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/2002 11:23:50 PM Central Standard Time, apeman@... writes:

You know I wouldn't slam anybody ('cept maybe Lord t' Zero) intentionally.

Thanks Brian. 
It's nice to be appreciated.
I hope Rory doesn't feel left out though.

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Natalie may be remembering stuff from the BENEATH shoot, stating that there was only the one statue (the other being on Sammy's estate), because she's made comments about them having to cart it back and forth to the desert, and it was only seen in the desert in BENEATH.

Not correct, Sir.   The statue was also seen on the Ape City set at the Fox ranch.  I would assume what Natalie meant was they had to cart the one remaining Lawgiver statue between the studio set and the Fox ranch.  They wouldn't have taken the statue up to the Red Rock Canyon local.  What for?  Those shots of the statue bleeding in the desert are all process shots. (Notice that the special effects guys printed the statue backwards -- just another example of how sloppy BENEATH is.)

Hey Brian, do you think this guy was the model for the Lawgiver statue?



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70 years ago today Buck Rogers premiered on the CBS radio network.
Buck Rogers was a 20th Century man who after being frozen for 500
years returns to Earth to find it a very different and strange world.
Hhmmm sounds familiar.

Brian wrote:

<<Naw, that's not it. I'd remember if Zaius had been passed out on the floor. >>

Well this was what I was told. The painting was on display in Detroit from the beginning of September to the beginning of October, so he may have just recently acqired it.

Matt

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70 years ago today Buck Rogers premiered on the CBS radio network.
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Hhmmm sounds familiar.

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You know I wouldn't slam anybody ('cept maybe Lord t' Zero) intentionally.

Thanks Brian.
It's nice to be appreciated.
I hope Rory doesn't feel left out though.
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As for our bubblegum friend.  That's one of the tests on an Asian actor, and you are right it really looks like the ol' LG.  Was that designed to look like the drawings of the LG, or were the drawings designed to look like the mu test?  The chicken or the egg? Who knows?

Haristas@... wrote:

 In a message dated 11/7/02 12:35:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

Natalie may be remembering stuff from the BENEATH shoot, stating that there was only the one statue (the other being on Sammy's estate), because she's made comments about them having to cart it back and forth to the desert, and it was only seen in the desert in BENEATH.
 

Not correct, Sir.   The statue was also seen on the Ape City set at the Fox ranch.  I would assume what Natalie meant was they had to cart the one remaining Lawgiver statue between the studio set and the Fox ranch.  They wouldn't have taken the statue up to the Red Rock Canyon local.  What for?  Those shots of the statue bleeding in the desert are all process shots. (Notice that the special effects guys printed the statue backwards -- just another example of how sloppy BENEATH is.)

Hey Brian, do you think this guy was the model for the Lawgiver statue?

-- Rory
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.html I'll ask him next time I see him.  Chances are ol' Bri's got a few!

B

MTotsky@... wrote:

Brian wrote:

<<Naw, that's not it. I'd remember if Zaius had been passed out on the floor. >>

Well this was what I was told. The painting was on display in Detroit from the beginning of September to the beginning of October, so he may have just recently acqired it.

Matt
 
 

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.htmlI just remembered something that Joe Russo told me that might explain why Jacobs gave the Lawgiver statue to Sammy Davis, Jr., --- other than that Davis may have asked for it it.

Davis wanted really bad to be in "Doctor Dolittle," in the part that ended up going to Geoffery Holder, but Fox didn't want Davis, so Jacobs had to tell Sammy he couldn't do it.  It upset Jacobs a lot, so giving Sammy the Lawgiver may have been to make up for that.  Too bad for Chambers, he should have gotten it.  I'll bet he was pissed, but he did get the Oscar.

I wonder who won that original ad I saw on eBay a while back with Fox congratulating Chambers for his Award?



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Hi Brian,  I see you made your way back.

Thank you for the huge contribution that you made to our Apes Parade project last summer!  The faces that you sent are amazing!  (I have to laugh at Rory's BAD HAIR DAY topic, but I'm sending a photo anyway.)  We embellished a little, had a few flubs, and had a lot of fun while puting these masks together.  You're a great teacher! 

One day I'd like to try applying one of the faces directly (a real prosthetic application?) but this time I chickened out.  I love the smell of the spirit gum adhesive.  Anyway, your site is an inspiration and your gift put us all (14 kids and even more adults) in virtual Ape City for months. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Helen [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Friday, 8 November 2002 4:40
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Brian: Welcome Back & Thank You

Hi Brian,  I see you made your way back.

Thank you for the huge contribution that you made to our Apes Parade project last summer!  The faces that you sent are amazing!  (I have to laugh at Rory's BAD HAIR DAY topic, but I'm sending a photo anyway.)  We embellished a little, had a few flubs, and had a lot of fun while puting these masks together.  You're a great teacher! 

One day I'd like to try applying one of the faces directly (a real prosthetic application?) but this time I chickened out.  I love the smell of the spirit gum adhesive.  Anyway, your site is an inspiration and your gift put us all (14 kids and even more adults) in virtual Ape City for months. 

--Helen

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Haven't seen Rory picking on the ol' monstermaker as much as you, my Texas friend.

True, but when I bought those old apeliances I thought I had cornered the market.  My bad.  Water under the bridge.  But if you check the archive I'm not the only one who feels the hair is not up to Hollywood standards.  That and the same attention to detail was not apeplied to Zira's bust as was the others, are really my only beefs with Apemania.  Valid points both.  Do you disagree?

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/7/2002 11:42:39 AM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

(I have to laugh at Rory's BAD HAIR DAY topic, but I'm sending a photo anyway.)

Ahh Ha!  See!  Rory!  Not me!

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/7/02 4:19:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Ahh Ha!  See!  Rory!  Not me!

You big baby, T!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 11/7/2002 3:24:33 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

You big baby, T!


Takes one to know one my friend.<.html

.html All points are valid.  Criticism is always constructive, whether it be favorable or not.

So much of the stuff we have posted on the site is not up to snuff, especially by today's standards.   It's still leaps and bounds ahead of what we were doing 6 years ago, and with all the input we get from the fans, we try to make improvements as we move along.

The sculpt on the Zira bust displayed on the website has always bugged me (really bugged me, looks like a chipmunk!), not to mention the hairwork on it as well as many of the others.  I've thought about pulling that from the site, but most people say I should just leave it until the new one is finished.

Custom hairpieces and wigs are expensive, so in a consorted effort to keep costs down we've gone middle-of-the-road with a lot of the hairpieces.  Slowly but surely we will remedy all that is not right with the line, but as you know, these things take time.

Of course there's always the alternative; those blow-up Suzie versions that guy makes out of New York.  YIKES!!!

B

LordTZer0@... wrote:

 

Haven't seen Rory picking on the ol' monstermaker as much as you, my Texas friend.

True, but when I bought those old apeliances I thought I had cornered the market.  My bad.  Water under the bridge.  But if you check the archive I'm not the only one who feels the hair is not up to Hollywood standards.  That and the same attention to detail was not apeplied to Zira's bust as was the others, are really my only beefs with Apemania.  Valid points both.  Do you disagree?
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.html PS:  You are the big Kim Hunter in this group, aren't you?  Or was it Rory?  In either case, you'll like the new full size Zira bust (due by X-mas).  It will be a fitting tribute to Kim.

B

LordTZer0@... wrote:

 

Haven't seen Rory picking on the ol' monstermaker as much as you, my Texas friend.

True, but when I bought those old apeliances I thought I had cornered the market.  My bad.  Water under the bridge.  But if you check the archive I'm not the only one who feels the hair is not up to Hollywood standards.  That and the same attention to detail was not apeplied to Zira's bust as was the others, are really my only beefs with Apemania.  Valid points both.  Do you disagree?
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.html Hi Helen,

After talking to you on the phone and hearing about all that you were doing with the kids (for the kids) it was all I could do to help, short of flying out there to be part of it all.  It reminded me much of the fun and excitement I had with the apes at that age.

Go easy on the spirit gum, babe!  Lon Chaney Jr loved it so much he used to drink the stuff !!!  Actually the story I got was he'd hide his booze in the spirit gum bottles so people on the crew would take it away away from him.

We really don't use spirit gum for gluing on prosthetics anymore.  There are a lot nicer adhesives available these days that aren't "ether"[C2H5OC2H5] based.  They don't have that same wonderful chloroform [CHCl3] effect on you while you're working with them, but they certainly don't destroy your skin the way spirit does either!

By the way, that's a GREAT foto!  And I loved all the shots of the Liberty statue construction/parade.

I'm glad it worked out for you all.

Brian
 
 

Helen wrote:

 

Hi Brian,  I see you made your way back.

Thank you for the huge contribution that you made to our Apes Parade project last summer!  The faces that you sent are amazing!  (I have to laugh at Rory's BAD HAIR DAY topic, but I'm sending a photo anyway.)  We embellished a little, had a few flubs, and had a lot of fun while puting these masks together.  You're a great teacher!

One day I'd like to try applying one of the faces directly (a real prosthetic application?) but this time I chickened out.  I love the smell of the spirit gum adhesive.  Anyway, your site is an inspiration and your gift put us all (14 kids and even more adults) in virtual Ape City for months.

--Helen
 

Brian

I think this looks suspicious.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1580257568

Any comments?

Michael

Anyone know what this guy means by "Custom" Palitoy card?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1784683988

Has he done his own version or what?

Ken, you have a Palitoy card don't you? Is this the same?

Michael

.html The costuem looks to be original.  I think the head was made by someone at Disney, as I vaguely remember someone sending me similar fotos of a display like this last month, but DON'T quote me on this.  I've put in an inquiry for more images and info.  We'll see what we come up with.

With no reserve, someone's bound to get a decent display for a song here!  Heck the BG rifle alone is worth about 500 clams (US).

Brian

"whitty@..." wrote:

Brian

I think this looks suspicious.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1580257568

Any comments?

Michael
 
 

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.htmlGingin922,

You are trapped in the Forbidden Zone.  There is no escape.<.html

gingin,

You got yourself in here, now go back to the place you entered and
get yourself out!

Nobody but you can do it.

Michael


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It would have to be a background costume wouldn't it?

Are the guns originals or repros?

Michael

--- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:

> The costuem looks to be original. I think the head was made by

someone at

> Disney, as I vaguely remember someone sending me similar fotos of a

display

> like this last month, but DON'T quote me on this. I've put in an

inquiry

> for more images and info. We'll see what we come up with.
>
> With no reserve, someone's bound to get a decent display for a song

here!

> Heck the BG rifle alone is worth about 500 clams (US).
>
> Brian
>
> "whitty@..." wrote:
>
> > Brian
> >
> > I think this looks suspicious.
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item80257568
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

>

Dear Brian,

Army of the Apes (trans. of Saru no Gundan) was the 1974-75 Japanese
live-action series in which the last remaining "naked apes" (humans)
are pursued by various elements of the ape society that dominates
the future earth.

In 1987, Sandy Frank took approximately 4 episodes of the 26-episode
TV series, and edited them into the English-dubbed "Time of the
Apes" for the English-language market. It was an almost impossible
task to boil down 26 episodes in one 98-minute feature film, and
TOTA does not make a lot of sense as a result. I think the film and
series have some endearing qualities and are worthy of being a part
of the "Apes" canon.

Yours,
Menluth of Kygoor.

¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing
list
on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!

--- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> "Army of the What?" Sounds fun. Another Japanese attempt like "A
Time For
> Apes"?
>
> Menluth wrote:
>
> > Great stuff, Brian!
> >
> > Now, if I could only find someone to reproduce the guns used
> > in "Army of the Apes" (Saru no Gundan), I'd be ecstatic! Wishful
> > thinking, I guess. Long live Gebâ!
> >
> > Yours,
> > Menluth.
> >
> > ¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing
> > list on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> > > Still on the APE ARSENAL topic:
> > >
> > > For anyone interested, we manufacture highly detailed replicas
of
> > the
> > > APE weapons, including a 30th Anniversary Airsoft (now
> > discontinued to
> > > make room for the 35th Anniversary models for next year) you
can
> > see
> > > some decent images of this item at
> > > <http://www.apemania.com/WEAPONS/DeluxeAirsoft.jpeg>. They're
> > really
> > > fun, as long as you are not at the receiving end of the
barrel!!!
> > >
> > > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >

.html It's the real deal folks.  Turns out the seller is a client of ours in the UK.  He bought the BACKGROUND outfit from STARWARES COLLECTIBLES, got the ORIGINAL BG rifle from us, and I think the boots came from us too.  Still trying to figure out where the mask came from. Doesn't look like any of ours.  He didn't answer that part of my inquiry.  Seems ,he's looking to get some bigger better collectibles, and is using this auction to offest his investments.

Brian

"whitty@..." wrote:

It would have to be a background costume wouldn't it?

Are the guns originals or repros?

Michael

--- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:
> The costuem looks to be original.  I think the head was made by
someone at
> Disney, as I vaguely remember someone sending me similar fotos of a
display
> like this last month, but DON'T quote me on this.  I've put in an
inquiry
> for more images and info.  We'll see what we come up with.
>
> With no reserve, someone's bound to get a decent display for a song
here!
> Heck the BG rifle alone is worth about 500 clams (US).
>
> Brian
>
> "whitty@..." wrote:
>
> > Brian
> >
> > I think this looks suspicious.
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item80257568
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

>
 
 

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.htmlIn a message dated 11/7/02 8:46:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, menluth@... writes:

Army of the Apes (trans. of Saru no Gundan) was the 1974-75 Japanese
live-action series in which the last remaining "naked apes" (humans)
are pursued by various elements of the ape society that dominates
the future earth.

In 1987, Sandy Frank took approximately 4 episodes of the 26-episode
TV series, and edited them into the English-dubbed "Time of the
Apes" for the English-language market. It was an almost impossible
task to boil down 26 episodes in one 98-minute feature film, and
TOTA does not make a lot of sense as a result. I think the film and
series have some endearing qualities and are worthy of being a part
of the "Apes" canon.

Yours,
Menluth of Kygoor.

NO WAY, MAN!   GET THIS DAMN DIRTY JAP RIP OFF OUTTA HERE!

-- Rory <.html

.html Now c'mon, Rory.  If we hafta accept Burton's attempt, the Japanese are more than deservedly welcome with their efforts.

B

Haristas@... wrote:

 In a message dated 11/7/02 8:46:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, menluth@... writes:
 
 

Army of the Apes (trans. of Saru no Gundan) was the 1974-75 Japanese
live-action series in which the last remaining "naked apes" (humans)
are pursued by various elements of the ape society that dominates
the future earth.

In 1987, Sandy Frank took approximately 4 episodes of the 26-episode
TV series, and edited them into the English-dubbed "Time of the
Apes" for the English-language market. It was an almost impossible
task to boil down 26 episodes in one 98-minute feature film, and
TOTA does not make a lot of sense as a result. I think the film and
series have some endearing qualities and are worthy of being a part
of the "Apes" canon.

Yours,
Menluth of Kygoor.
 

NO WAY, MAN!   GET THIS DAMN DIRTY JAP RIP OFF OUTTA HERE!

-- Rory
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I had to read the description twice before I worked out the deal with
the mask - it seems the depicted mask is not described, but he
mentions a 20th C Fox Authorised mask that is NOT depicted comes with
the deal.

The photographed mask sure does look more Disney than POTA.

Michael

--- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:

> It's the real deal folks. Turns out the seller is a client of ours

in the

> UK. He bought the BACKGROUND outfit from STARWARES COLLECTIBLES,

got the

> ORIGINAL BG rifle from us, and I think the boots came from us too.

Still

> trying to figure out where the mask came from. Doesn't look like

any of

> ours. He didn't answer that part of my inquiry. Seems ,he's

looking to get

> some bigger better collectibles, and is using this auction to

offest his

> investments.
>
> Brian
>
> "whitty@..." wrote:
>
> > It would have to be a background costume wouldn't it?
> >
> > Are the guns originals or repros?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- Brian <apeman@...> wrote:
> > > The costuem looks to be original. I think the head was made by
> > someone at
> > > Disney, as I vaguely remember someone sending me similar fotos

of a

> > display
> > > like this last month, but DON'T quote me on this. I've put in

an

> > inquiry
> > > for more images and info. We'll see what we come up with.
> > >
> > > With no reserve, someone's bound to get a decent display for a

song

> > here!
> > > Heck the BG rifle alone is worth about 500 clams (US).
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > "whitty@..." wrote:
> > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > I think this looks suspicious.
> > > >
> > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item80257568
> > > >
> > > > Any comments?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

>

As a film, Time of the Apes is clearly in the B-movie or cult film
category, but it only hints at major points in the real plot of the
full story. I think TOTA or Army of the Apes stands on its own as an
original story, and provides one of the more complex ape characters
of any of the Apes films -- that of Police Chief Gebâ, who would
be much better compared to Victor Hugo's police inspector Javert
(who hunted Jean Valjean) than to his colleagues Urko or Ursus in
POTA.

Technologically, "Saru no Gundan" portrays ape society closer to the
way Boulle had envisioned planet Soror, than the POTA films or
series.

It seems to me that they worked very hard on making the Army of the
Apes TV series. The budget was low, but the series was probably not
worse in production values than that of POTA TV series, and it
lasted twice as long on TV! It is too bad that the series is not
available with subtitles.

Menluth.

¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing
list on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!

--- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> Now c'mon, Rory. If we hafta accept Burton's attempt, the
Japanese are
> more than deservedly welcome with their efforts.
>
> B
>
> Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 11/7/02 8:46:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > menluth@y... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Army of the Apes (trans. of Saru no Gundan) was the 1974-75
Japanese
> >>
> >> live-action series in which the last remaining "naked apes"
(humans)
> >>
> >> are pursued by various elements of the ape society that
dominates
> >> the future earth.
> >>
> >> In 1987, Sandy Frank took approximately 4 episodes of the 26-
episode
> >>
> >> TV series, and edited them into the English-dubbed "Time of the
> >> Apes" for the English-language market. It was an almost
impossible
> >> task to boil down 26 episodes in one 98-minute feature film, and
> >> TOTA does not make a lot of sense as a result. I think the film
and
> >> series have some endearing qualities and are worthy of being a
part
> >> of the "Apes" canon.
> >>
> >> Yours,
> >> Menluth of Kygoor.
> >>
> >
> > [Image]
> >
> > NO WAY, MAN! GET THIS DAMN DIRTY JAP RIP OFF OUTTA HERE!
> >
> > -- Rory
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

.htmlCustom hairpieces and wigs are expensive, so in a consorted effort to keep costs down we've gone middle-of-the-road with a lot of the hairpieces.  Slowly but surely we will remedy all that is not right with the line, but as you know, these things take time.

I'm all in favor of the middle road Buddha Brian, but not when it comes to quality.  If the quality is there, then the price doesn't really matter.  In other words, if money is no object, then I'd pay more than double what you're charging for a deluxe model.  But if it's not right, I wouldn't buy it if the price was less than half.  Whether it's an action figure or a full sized mannequin, it either looks right, or it doesn't.  To put it another way, five bucks is too much for a Mego, but $50 isn't too much for a Medicom. Nam Zen? (know what I'm saying) I know what you're saying about Apemania having come along way.  It's true!  But to shell out that kind of dough for something that's not absolutely perfect?  Only the Japanese can afford that!  --  Maybe not even them anymore.<.html

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It will be a fitting tribute to Kim.

Now who's winding who up?  If I'm going to spend that kind of scratch I'm going all out. (see previous post) Until then I think a nice honorarium in Kim's name to one of her favorite charities would be a more fitting tribute to her.  When I'm ready to buy it won't be just a bust, but a full sized mannequin.  And I'd like it outfitted with the Zira #1 costume from Planet.  No half measures on that one.  Pull out all the stops.

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.htmlIn 1987, Sandy Frank took approximately 4 episodes of the 26-episode TV series, and edited them into the English-dubbed "Time of the Apes" for the English-language market.

Sandy Fraaaank
Sandy Fraaaank
He's the source of all our pain....
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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hams and Slams

Okay, your forgiven.  I've been grouchy and have had cramps all day.  Sorry if I snapped at you.

B

veetus@... wrote:

  Naw, I knew it was a movie, I was just kidding around. Now who's touchy? - - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:25 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hams and Slams

 Uh, are people getting a bit touchy on this site these days or is it just me?
Jeff, I think you missed something here...You know I wouldn't slam anybody ('cept maybe Lord t' Zero) intentionally.

If you are referring to my crediting my friend Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck as a dig to his love-life, you missed the plug.  "Last American Virgin" was his first film and the one we remember him by most (cuz they filmed it at our high school).  Maybe I should have put Brian "the Hot dog vender with Stan Lee on the beach in X-men" Peck, but then someone would probably think I was slamming his eating habits or something.  I give up.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

  You still have that magazine I sent you, don't you? With his Zauis on the cover. I've never seen Brian's place but he's a nice guy. That crack about his sexual experience was uncalled for. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 Hi Jeff,

That's the other Brian of APEMANIA, actor/voice-over man Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck.  Brian was a close personal friend of Roddy as well.  He's got some wonderful stuff on his estate, including the original Sammy Davis LG Statue.
(there were two full-size statues made and the courtroom "bleeder" bust.  Jacob's copy now resides in Irvine, CA; Sammy's copy (which urked Chambers when Jacobs gave it to Davis) now resides at Peck's place; and the "bleeder" courtrom bust is in Florida, tubes and all.   I've seen at least one Shag original in Brian's rompus room too!

The Sammy Davis LG is the one we duped, after losing the auction for the Jacob's one several years ago.

My personal Shag collection?  I have a Zaius sticker pinned to my bulletin board at the studio.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Hey Brian, someone here said they talked to a dealer of Shag original paintings and they said "Brian of Apemania" bought one of the originals (POTA related) as well as owning the original Lawgiver statue. Where they confused about a certain actor's Sammy Davis knockoff or did you finally nab the original? How well stocked is your Shag collection?- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:57 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 In a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

-- Rory
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.html Thanx Jeff.  I dunno 'bout being worthy of a #1 title,
'specially since so much #2 has been thrown my way these past couple of days!  Pee-yoo! Stankie!
 

veetus@... wrote:

   No prob, Brian. You're still # 1. - - - Jeff    

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hams and Slams

 Okay, your forgiven.  I've been grouchy and have had cramps all day.  Sorry if I snapped at you.

B

veetus@... wrote:

  Naw, I knew it was a movie, I was just kidding around. Now who's touchy? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:25 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hams and Slams

 Uh, are people getting a bit touchy on this site these days or is it just me?
Jeff, I think you missed something here...You know I wouldn't slam anybody ('cept maybe Lord t' Zero) intentionally.

If you are referring to my crediting my friend Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck as a dig to his love-life, you missed the plug.  "Last American Virgin" was his first film and the one we remember him by most (cuz they filmed it at our high school).  Maybe I should have put Brian "the Hot dog vender with Stan Lee on the beach in X-men" Peck, but then someone would probably think I was slamming his eating habits or something.  I give up.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

  You still have that magazine I sent you, don't you? With his Zauis on the cover. I've never seen Brian's place but he's a nice guy. That crack about his sexual experience was uncalled for. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 Hi Jeff,

That's the other Brian of APEMANIA, actor/voice-over man Brian "Last American Virgin" Peck.  Brian was a close personal friend of Roddy as well.  He's got some wonderful stuff on his estate, including the original Sammy Davis LG Statue.
(there were two full-size statues made and the courtroom "bleeder" bust.  Jacob's copy now resides in Irvine, CA; Sammy's copy (which urked Chambers when Jacobs gave it to Davis) now resides at Peck's place; and the "bleeder" courtrom bust is in Florida, tubes and all.   I've seen at least one Shag original in Brian's rompus room too!

The Sammy Davis LG is the one we duped, after losing the auction for the Jacob's one several years ago.

My personal Shag collection?  I have a Zaius sticker pinned to my bulletin board at the studio.

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   Hey Brian, someone here said they talked to a dealer of Shag original paintings and they said "Brian of Apemania" bought one of the originals (POTA related) as well as owning the original Lawgiver statue. Where they confused about a certain actor's Sammy Davis knockoff or did you finally nab the original? How well stocked is your Shag collection?- - - Jeff

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:57 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Glyphs

 In a message dated 11/6/02 3:25:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, apeman@... writes:
 
 

I've been trying to get a Felix Silla child gorilla appliance set out of Bob for years

Didn't somebody at Apemania just pay over a grand for some actual Maurice Evans Zaius appliences?   With the Evans lifemask and those appliences -- Oh what a bust!

-- Rory
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Is the series available on video? Or any articles with an episode
guide? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Menluth" <menluth@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] ape rifles and Army of the Apes


Dear Brian,

Army of the Apes (trans. of Saru no Gundan) was the 1974-75 Japanese
live-action series in which the last remaining "naked apes" (humans)
are pursued by various elements of the ape society that dominates
the future earth.

In 1987, Sandy Frank took approximately 4 episodes of the 26-episode
TV series, and edited them into the English-dubbed "Time of the
Apes" for the English-language market. It was an almost impossible
task to boil down 26 episodes in one 98-minute feature film, and
TOTA does not make a lot of sense as a result. I think the film and
series have some endearing qualities and are worthy of being a part
of the "Apes" canon.

Yours,
Menluth of Kygoor.

¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing
list
on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!


--- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> "Army of the What?" Sounds fun. Another Japanese attempt like "A
Time For
> Apes"?
>
> Menluth wrote:
>
> > Great stuff, Brian!
> >
> > Now, if I could only find someone to reproduce the guns used
> > in "Army of the Apes" (Saru no Gundan), I'd be ecstatic! Wishful
> > thinking, I guess. Long live Gebâ!
> >
> > Yours,
> > Menluth.
> >
> > ¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing
> > list on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> > > Still on the APE ARSENAL topic:
> > >
> > > For anyone interested, we manufacture highly detailed replicas
of
> > the
> > > APE weapons, including a 30th Anniversary Airsoft (now
> > discontinued to
> > > make room for the 35th Anniversary models for next year) you
can
> > see
> > > some decent images of this item at
> > > <http://www.apemania.com/WEAPONS/DeluxeAirsoft.jpeg>. They're
> > really
> > > fun, as long as you are not at the receiving end of the
barrel!!!
> > >
> > > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:28 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] T from Quality Control

Custom hairpieces and wigs are expensive, so in a consorted effort to keep costs down we've gone middle-of-the-road with a lot of the hairpieces.  Slowly but surely we will remedy all that is not right with the line, but as you know, these things take time.

I'm all in favor of the middle road Buddha Brian, but not when it comes to quality.  If the quality is there, then the price doesn't really matter.  In other words, if money is no object, then I'd pay more than double what you're charging for a deluxe model.  But if it's not right, I wouldn't buy it if the price was less than half.  Whether it's an action figure or a full sized mannequin, it either looks right, or it doesn't.  To put it another way, five bucks is too much for a Mego, but $50 isn't too much for a Medicom. Nam Zen? (know what I'm saying) I know what you're saying about Apemania having come along way.  It's true!  But to shell out that kind of dough for something that's not absolutely perfect?  Only the Japanese can afford that!  --  Maybe not even them anymore.
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It says on www.dvdfile.com that the "South Park" first season DVD set will
come out Tuesday sans the audio commentary from it's creators that had been
promised. Seems their talk was a little to salty so Warners is censoring
them. Those #@%%&*s! The creators are offering the DVDs and with their
commentaries on CD if ordered from them. First time I've ever heard of a
censored audio commentary. Those "South Park" dudes (Oscar -nominated
songsmiths that they are) wrote a ditty about POTA for one of the POTA2001
specials. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Menluth" <menluth@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] ape rifles and Army of the Apes


Dear Brian,

Army of the Apes (trans. of Saru no Gundan) was the 1974-75 Japanese
live-action series in which the last remaining "naked apes" (humans)
are pursued by various elements of the ape society that dominates
the future earth.

In 1987, Sandy Frank took approximately 4 episodes of the 26-episode
TV series, and edited them into the English-dubbed "Time of the
Apes" for the English-language market. It was an almost impossible
task to boil down 26 episodes in one 98-minute feature film, and
TOTA does not make a lot of sense as a result. I think the film and
series have some endearing qualities and are worthy of being a part
of the "Apes" canon.

Yours,
Menluth of Kygoor.

¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing
list
on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!


--- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> "Army of the What?" Sounds fun. Another Japanese attempt like "A
Time For
> Apes"?
>
> Menluth wrote:
>
> > Great stuff, Brian!
> >
> > Now, if I could only find someone to reproduce the guns used
> > in "Army of the Apes" (Saru no Gundan), I'd be ecstatic! Wishful
> > thinking, I guess. Long live Gebâ!
> >
> > Yours,
> > Menluth.
> >
> > ¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing
> > list on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> > > Still on the APE ARSENAL topic:
> > >
> > > For anyone interested, we manufacture highly detailed replicas
of
> > the
> > > APE weapons, including a 30th Anniversary Airsoft (now
> > discontinued to
> > > make room for the 35th Anniversary models for next year) you
can
> > see
> > > some decent images of this item at
> > > <http://www.apemania.com/WEAPONS/DeluxeAirsoft.jpeg>. They're
> > really
> > > fun, as long as you are not at the receiving end of the
barrel!!!
> > >
> > > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >

Jeff,

The complete Army of the Apes was released to video in Japan in
1997. Go to the "links" section of the Yahoo "Saru no Gundan" list
below and you will find links for North American sellers of the 26-
episode Saru no Gundan on dvd and vhs. I haven't found any English
episode guides on the internet yet, but there are a few on-line
Japanese guides which I have been able to get the gist of with a
Japanese machine translation tool.

Menluth.

¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing list
on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Is the series available on video? Or any articles with an episode
> guide? - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Menluth" <menluth@y...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] ape rifles and Army of the Apes
>
>
> Dear Brian,
>
> Army of the Apes (trans. of Saru no Gundan) was the 1974-75
Japanese
> live-action series in which the last remaining "naked apes"
(humans)
> are pursued by various elements of the ape society that dominates
> the future earth.
>
> In 1987, Sandy Frank took approximately 4 episodes of the 26-
episode
> TV series, and edited them into the English-dubbed "Time of the
> Apes" for the English-language market. It was an almost impossible
> task to boil down 26 episodes in one 98-minute feature film, and
> TOTA does not make a lot of sense as a result. I think the film and
> series have some endearing qualities and are worthy of being a part
> of the "Apes" canon.
>
> Yours,
> Menluth of Kygoor.
>
> ¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing
> list
> on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> > "Army of the What?" Sounds fun. Another Japanese attempt
like "A
> Time For
> > Apes"?
> >
> > Menluth wrote:
> >
> > > Great stuff, Brian!
> > >
> > > Now, if I could only find someone to reproduce the guns used
> > > in "Army of the Apes" (Saru no Gundan), I'd be ecstatic!
Wishful
> > > thinking, I guess. Long live Gebâ!
> > >
> > > Yours,
> > > Menluth.
> > >
> > > ¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing
> > > list on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> > > > Still on the APE ARSENAL topic:
> > > >
> > > > For anyone interested, we manufacture highly detailed
replicas
> of
> > > the
> > > > APE weapons, including a 30th Anniversary Airsoft (now
> > > discontinued to
> > > > make room for the 35th Anniversary models for next year) you
> can
> > > see
> > > > some decent images of this item at
> > > > <http://www.apemania.com/WEAPONS/DeluxeAirsoft.jpeg>.
They're
> > > really
> > > > fun, as long as you are not at the receiving end of the
> barrel!!!
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks. Once again, the Japanese get the best stuff. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Menluth" <menluth@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] ape rifles and Army of the Apes


Jeff,

The complete Army of the Apes was released to video in Japan in
1997. Go to the "links" section of the Yahoo "Saru no Gundan" list
below and you will find links for North American sellers of the 26-
episode Saru no Gundan on dvd and vhs. I haven't found any English
episode guides on the internet yet, but there are a few on-line
Japanese guides which I have been able to get the gist of with a
Japanese machine translation tool.

Menluth.

¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing list
on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!


--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Is the series available on video? Or any articles with an episode
> guide? - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Menluth" <menluth@y...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] ape rifles and Army of the Apes
>
>
> Dear Brian,
>
> Army of the Apes (trans. of Saru no Gundan) was the 1974-75
Japanese
> live-action series in which the last remaining "naked apes"
(humans)
> are pursued by various elements of the ape society that dominates
> the future earth.
>
> In 1987, Sandy Frank took approximately 4 episodes of the 26-
episode
> TV series, and edited them into the English-dubbed "Time of the
> Apes" for the English-language market. It was an almost impossible
> task to boil down 26 episodes in one 98-minute feature film, and
> TOTA does not make a lot of sense as a result. I think the film and
> series have some endearing qualities and are worthy of being a part
> of the "Apes" canon.
>
> Yours,
> Menluth of Kygoor.
>
> ¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing
> list
> on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> > "Army of the What?" Sounds fun. Another Japanese attempt
like "A
> Time For
> > Apes"?
> >
> > Menluth wrote:
> >
> > > Great stuff, Brian!
> > >
> > > Now, if I could only find someone to reproduce the guns used
> > > in "Army of the Apes" (Saru no Gundan), I'd be ecstatic!
Wishful
> > > thinking, I guess. Long live Gebâ!
> > >
> > > Yours,
> > > Menluth.
> > >
> > > ¡¡Check out the "Saru no Gundan/Time of the Apes" Yahoo mailing
> > > list on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sarunogundan !!
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> > > > Still on the APE ARSENAL topic:
> > > >
> > > > For anyone interested, we manufacture highly detailed
replicas
> of
> > > the
> > > > APE weapons, including a 30th Anniversary Airsoft (now
> > > discontinued to
> > > > make room for the 35th Anniversary models for next year) you
> can
> > > see
> > > > some decent images of this item at
> > > > <http://www.apemania.com/WEAPONS/DeluxeAirsoft.jpeg>.
They're
> > > really
> > > > fun, as long as you are not at the receiving end of the
> barrel!!!
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>