> Oh, I thought for sure you had abs of steel. Guess I was mistaken. Patrick, have you learned any speed reading skills? I got the Mega Reading course but I'm too lazy to work at it. - - - Jeff

> You guys are reading stuff into that. It was not the author's intention for their noses to look like penuses. Patrick, what's your theory on how they got penusesque noses? - - - Jeff

> > > << Is that the one with the mutants that have penis shaped heads? >>
> > >
> > > I thought it was the noses that were penis shaped?
> > >
> > > -Joe
> >

> In a message dated 11/12/02 10:40:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
>
> > It could be that Teacher also teaches humans, but that was a class specifically for apes. Maybe they are segregated. From the POV of the story it shows the apes have special privileges and the humans aren't their equals. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
>
> I can't imagine that sweetie General Aldo sitting in the same class with "humans." He wouldn't even sit in council with them.
>
> -- Rory

> Did you see the "Lost in Space" doc that Kevin "Behind the POTA" Burns did? They recreated the ship and Bill Mumy, Jonathan Harris and the Robot did a scene. I have the DVD which has outtakes from that shoot. By the way, the main character in OLiver Stone's POTA was nicknamed Will Robinson (ha, on topic!) - - - Jeff

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Lost" and Found (OT)
>
>
> In a message dated 11/16/02 4:40:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@A... writes:
>
>
>
> Sounds like he was a little last to me. They should have done a show where they got rescued. Then they would be all old and stuff. The ravages of time ... then maybe the new show could be a tad more serious and not quite to hokey. Not that I don't like a bit of cheese, but I think the show sometimes got a bit silly.
>
>
>
> I would have liked to have seen an episode of one of the new "Star Trek" shows where they find Dr. Smith and the robot drifting through space in a derelict ship living together like an old gay couple. They're taken aboard one of the Federation ships and Dr. Smith tries to take it over so he can get back to earth. Stupid I know, but I just wanted to see the robot again. Oh well.
>
> -- Rory
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

> In a message dated 11/17/02 8:36:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> > Making sense of the POTA saga's details is a prerequisite (self-imposed) for writing my big-ass novel.
>
>
> Any chance we could read an excerpt?
>
> -- Rory

> In a message dated 11/17/02 9:53:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> > The man who would murder the world heard a knock on his door.
> >
> > [The man in question is Captain George Taylor (retired), a veteran of the Army Air Forces during the War in Europe, at his home in Fort Wayne, Indiana. The time is the Fall of 1946...]
> >
> >
>
> Well, that sounds interesting. How did Taylor end up being a retired captain in 1946? (That's a rhetorical question.)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Monday, 18 November 2002 0:37
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Health (rather OT)
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Well, seeing as you are so frank I'll return the favour.
> >
> > I have had about 3 serious (identifiable) mental breakdowns,
> triggered by drug abuse (excessive pot/speed).
> >
> > When I saw "A Beautiful Mind" recently it struck a chord. You
> would have to watch the movie to understand.
> >
> > I seriously wondered if you might have been heading down that path.
> >
> > I am not being insulting here, just very open.
> >
> > I am a person who constantly looks for cues that I might be
> losing sight of reality, and anyone else who has an idea about
> this topic would understand that sometimes we need people to say
> "Dude, you're losing it".
> >
> > The elaborate workings of some of your posts (and scenarios),
> and the resultant alienation from "mainstream" POTA fans' limits
> of acceptance, made me wonder if the gap between the sense this
> makes to you and the lack of sense it makes to others could be a symptom.
> >
> > I hope this makes it a bit clearer for you.
> >
> > I also hope you don't take it as an insult, because that is not the
> > way this is intended.
> >
> > Michael
>
> *** No, I don't take it as an insult. Making sense of the POTA saga's
> details is a prerequisite (self-imposed) for writing my big-ass novel.
> I think it WOULD be insane of me to expect or demand that others
> readjust their thinking of POTA and adopt my scenario--and, as I've
> said "oh, time without number", I don't expect/demand that ANYBODY
> accept my "take" on POTA. It works for ME; if there are others out
> there who dig it, then that's great... but just as Frank Zappa wrote
> his music to suit his own aesthetic, not caring if others liked it
> (though being glad if that was the case), so too am I doing my thing
> with the POTA saga to suit myself.
>
> In regards to your prior drug abuse (and its effects), I hope it's no
> longer the problem it once was. I mentioned that I don't drink/smoke/
> do drugs, but I know a number of guys who DO, and they're friends of
> mine; I could have ended up with their substance abuse problems
> easily. I guess I was "fortunate" enough to see the horrid effects of
> long-term smoking & drinking on my parents (their drugs were perfectly
> legal, and much more damaging to them than the illegal drugs out
> there, in my opinion), so that I NEVER wanted to have to deal with the
> same sorts of problems my folks had. My brother and I once tallied up
> the amount of money our parents spent per annum on cigs and booze, and
> conservatively figured that the money wasted on that garbage would
> have afforded our family a Lake cabin, a 2-week family vacation, a
> nicer car, etc. All the stuff our friends seemed to get to enjoy, we
> had to envy them... all because of those goddamned addictive legal
> drugs! I'm just lucky that I didn't adopt the same "vices" that my
> parents had; they both died at the age of 63--with any luck I'll
> outlive that age by at least a decade or two.
>
> BTW, if you should ever wonder if you're "losing sight of reality",
> first ask yourself if that Huge Wall of Fire you think you're seeing
> (or that Strange Violent Earthquake) is a drug-induced flashback...
> or, instead, a Visual/Sonic Deterrent illusion forced into your head
> by some ill-tempered fleshy-headed mutants.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. I haven't seen "A Beautiful Mind" yet, though I heard it was
> good. I just went to the new "Harry Potter" movie, which I liked
> better than the first one (which was okay, if not fantabulous). I just
> saw the most recent episode of "South Park", where the kids are hyped
> about the "Lord of the Rings" movie they just saw on video... If you
> haven't seen it yet, it's one of the top 10 funniest SP episodes ever.
> Butters as a Gollum-like addict for his "precious"... heh heh heh! A
> laff-riot.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:29 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] ApExpo 2004

In a message dated 11/16/02 9:07:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  The first book signing we did for Eric Greene wasn't advertised well and only a few people showed up. Creber, Ron Harper, Booth Colman and the casting director were the guests and we just hung out and talked. I wish I'd had the idea to interview Creber. I really didn't know what to ask him. I had a lobby card of "Beneath" where Taylor is going to detonate the bomb and Creber talked about how they made that set. I also showed him my blueprints from QVC and that was kinda interesting, looking those over with him. - - - Jeff

D'Oh!!!!!    What did the casting director have to say?

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 2:39 AM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] ApExpo 2004


> It wasn't Joe Farrell was it?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim [apefan23@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2002 18:31
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] ApExpo 2004
> >
> >
> > <<<<< I wish
> > I'd had the idea to interview Creber. I really didn't know what to
> > ask him.
> > > > I had a lobby card of "Beneath" where Taylor is going to
> > detonate the bomb
> > > > and Creber talked about how they made that set. I also
> > showed him my
> > > > blueprints from QVC and that was kinda interesting, looking
> > those over with
> > > > him. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > He told me he was weary of signing things because he had
> > befriended someone a while ago...a friend of his wife's....and
> > they were pals...so Creber GAVE him some original drawings
> > and other stuff......then the asshole sold them on ebay!!! REALLY
> > pissed Creber off...so he's skeptical now...I assured him that he
> > pic he signed for me was going nowhere!!!!!!!
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> It wasn't Joe Farrell was it?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim [apefan23@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2002 18:31
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] ApExpo 2004
> >
> >
> > <<<<< I wish
> > I'd had the idea to interview Creber. I really didn't know what
to
> > ask him.
> > > > I had a lobby card of "Beneath" where Taylor is going to
> > detonate the bomb
> > > > and Creber talked about how they made that set. I also
> > showed him my
> > > > blueprints from QVC and that was kinda interesting,
looking
> > those over with
> > > > him. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > He told me he was weary of signing things because he had
> > befriended someone a while ago...a friend of his wife's....and
> > they were pals...so Creber GAVE him some original
drawings
> > and other stuff......then the asshole sold them on ebay!!!
REALLY
> > pissed Creber off...so he's skeptical now...I assured him that
he
> > pic he signed for me was going nowhere!!!!!!!
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >

>
>And that's the first chapter of my novelization of PLANET! Anybody else want
>to write the next chapter?
>
>-- Rory
>

>
> --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> >
> > I will admit I did some "name calling", but I did it after I was
> provoked... I mean yes, I did call his idea "nonsense", but because
> of that, he thinks he can personally attack me?!? That's bull!!! You
> will notice though that he was FAR MORE SEVERE than I was in anything
> I said. He used profanity up the a** in his "attacks" on me, where as
> I "***'ed" it out... And then today he has the gall to critisize
> Whitty for using profanity?!? Did Patrick ever read his own posts? He
> uses more swear words than in a lot of movies these days. He should
> look at his own words before he accuses people of doing what he has
> done several times himself..
> >

>
> > I finally caught up on my POTA reading after 178,359 posts. Rory, this
> > POTA novelization was very good. Did you really write that? If so when
> > are
> > you going to do chapter 2????
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, I really did write it, but it was a one-time lark of a thing. I've
> been thinking of writing another chapter, but it would be a scene later in
> the movie. It's finding the time to do it that's the problem.
>

> Patrick vs. Michael
> Patrick vs. T
> Patrick vs. James
> Patrick vs. Rory
> Patrick vs. mlccougar
>
> Anyone see a pattern here? Patrick, maybe you should try to figure

> bigger picture of why you're always getting yourself into flame wars

> people get along pretty well here.

> "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> > Patrick vs. Michael
> > Patrick vs. T
> > Patrick vs. James
> > Patrick vs. Rory
> > Patrick vs. mlccougar
> >
> > Anyone see a pattern here? Patrick, maybe you should try to

> out the
> > bigger picture of why you're always getting yourself into flame

> when most
> > people get along pretty well here.
>
> >From what I've seen, the majority of "flaming" comes about as a

> of a surprising lack of tolerance from others. I think Patrick's

> are interesting, and it's obvious he's put a hell of a lot more
> thought into his "unflubbing" than the vast majority of Apes fans
> (including myself) and I think the reactions from some people are
> incredible. It seems to me that it might have been a better idea

> to set up a new group for people who want to slag off Patrick, there
> certainly seems to be a demand for it.
>
> I don't buy into all of Patrick's theories, but I'm prepared to

> that a lot of them make more sense than my explanations when you

> all the details into account. But there are some instances when I'm
> prepared to just accept that the film makers made a mistake and

> all there is to it. I also think that Patrick tends to go off on a

> of irrelevant tangents but when I see this happening I tend to just
> skim ahead to see if he gets back to talking Apes and if not I

> it. It's that easy, and it always amazes me that more people aren't
> able to do likewise instead of resorting to posts that have no

> except to argue with Patrick. Not with his ideas, just with him.
>
> I also certainly don't agree with the notion that the group "thrives
> on these shitfights" or that people should assume they speak on

> of the majority of the group when there is little evidence that they
> do any such thing.
>
> Now that's off my chest I'll hopefully get back to contributing Apes
> discussion sometime soon.
>
> Alan
>
>
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>
>
>

>
>
>

>
> >From what I've seen, the majority of "flaming" comes about as a result
> of a surprising lack of tolerance from others. I think Patrick's ideas
> are interesting, and it's obvious he's put a hell of a lot more
> thought into his "unflubbing" than the vast majority of Apes fans
> (including myself) and I think the reactions from some people are
> incredible. It seems to me that it might have been a better idea just
> to set up a new group for people who want to slag off Patrick, there
> certainly seems to be a demand for it.
>
> I don't buy into all of Patrick's theories, but I'm prepared to admit
> that a lot of them make more sense than my explanations when you take
> all the details into account. But there are some instances when I'm
> prepared to just accept that the film makers made a mistake and that's
> all there is to it. I also think that Patrick tends to go off on a lot
> of irrelevant tangents but when I see this happening I tend to just

> >
> > >From what I've seen, the majority of "flaming" comes about as a

> > of a surprising lack of tolerance from others. I think Patrick's

> > are interesting, and it's obvious he's put a hell of a lot more
> > thought into his "unflubbing" than the vast majority of Apes fans
> > (including myself) and I think the reactions from some people are
> > incredible. It seems to me that it might have been a better idea

> > to set up a new group for people who want to slag off Patrick,

> > certainly seems to be a demand for it.
> >
> > I don't buy into all of Patrick's theories, but I'm prepared to

> > that a lot of them make more sense than my explanations when you

> > all the details into account. But there are some instances when

> > prepared to just accept that the film makers made a mistake and

> > all there is to it. I also think that Patrick tends to go off on

> > of irrelevant tangents but when I see this happening I tend to

>
> Anything about POTA is fair game but those irrelevant tangents go

> and chase people away from the group and now we have 2 groups. I

> things were getting so far out of hand. I'll read both groups and

> think both groups are probably viable. I think Rory and Jeff both

> impressive knowledge of POTA and the people involved with it and if

> continue to post here I'll keep reading this group.
>
>
>
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>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New Group?


> Rory and Jeff have an excellent knowledge, and Jeff seem to know a
> lot of the POTA glitteriaty (SP?).
>
> I have often wondered why these people (Bill Blake, Eric Greene et
> al) don't join the group. Jeff, I think you said something about
> computer access? Ask Bill if he would join if I bought him a
> computer. I'm serious here...I think it would be worth a few hundred
> to see what he has to say.
>
> I think Eric has (or has access to) a computer - he is always putting
> in small bids on ebay.
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- Melkor <melkor@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > >From what I've seen, the majority of "flaming" comes about as a
> result
> > > of a surprising lack of tolerance from others. I think Patrick's
> ideas
> > > are interesting, and it's obvious he's put a hell of a lot more
> > > thought into his "unflubbing" than the vast majority of Apes fans
> > > (including myself) and I think the reactions from some people are
> > > incredible. It seems to me that it might have been a better idea
> just
> > > to set up a new group for people who want to slag off Patrick,
> there
> > > certainly seems to be a demand for it.
> > >
> > > I don't buy into all of Patrick's theories, but I'm prepared to
> admit
> > > that a lot of them make more sense than my explanations when you
> take
> > > all the details into account. But there are some instances when
> I'm
> > > prepared to just accept that the film makers made a mistake and
> that's
> > > all there is to it. I also think that Patrick tends to go off on
> a lot
> > > of irrelevant tangents but when I see this happening I tend to
> just
> >
> > Anything about POTA is fair game but those irrelevant tangents go
> way off topic
> > and chase people away from the group and now we have 2 groups. I
> didn't know
> > things were getting so far out of hand. I'll read both groups and
> right now I
> > think both groups are probably viable. I think Rory and Jeff both
> have an
> > impressive knowledge of POTA and the people involved with it and if
> they
> > continue to post here I'll keep reading this group.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>

>
> Hey Tom, I hope you don't mind if I link my website to yours. That
> way I can refer people to the sound files, especially. I've never
> uploaded the pota tv record stories because the files are pretty big,
> and this would take care of the problem nicely. Say okay?
> Kassidy
>

> >
> > --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > I will admit I did some "name calling", but I did it after I

>
> Patrick vs. Michael
> Patrick vs. T
> Patrick vs. James
> Patrick vs. Rory
> Patrick vs. mlccougar
>
> Anyone see a pattern here? Patrick, maybe you should try to figure

> Bill has a computer but is going through a trying personal

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@c...>
> > Rory and Jeff have an excellent knowledge, and Jeff seem to know

> >
> > I have often wondered why these people (Bill Blake, Eric Greene

> >
> > I think Eric has (or has access to) a computer - he is always

> >
> > Michael

> > --- Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:

> >From what I've seen, the majority of "flaming" comes about as a

> > >
> > > Anything about POTA is fair game but those irrelevant tangents

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:55
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Breaking Silence (as opposed to breaking wind)

In a message dated 11/19/02 7:00:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Hi everyone,
I thought it was about time i said hello. I joined this group about a
month ago, right in the middle of the big slanging matches that were
going on, so I wasn't too sure what I'd stumbled into but thought I'd
give it a go as Apes has had such a great effect on my life since I
fell in love with the concept after seeing Escape on the big screen
as a kid way back in '72.

I stuck around and read the posts and am glad to see that they seem
to be getting almost normal?, so I decided to stay.

Must say though, I totally agree with the comments made by Alan in an
earlier post and I will probably make some enemies straight off by
revealing that I agree with some of Patrick's theories about the Apes
(sorry but you'll have to put me into the agreeing with the
Mothership theory, as It seems to be the one that would be most
plausible) but hey, thats my choice!

Well, now that you've joined this group you need to join the new one that everyone has defected to:

PotaDG@yahoogroups.com


-- Rory

Listening, Patrick?


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:25 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hasbro figures


>
> You can make a very good 12" soldier ape by mixing the Hasbro 12" red
> soldier ape with the Urses figure. Give the red figure the black boots,
> the black gloves, and then cut the sleeves out of Urses' black vest and
put
> that on the red soldier too and you'll have a very cool 12" gorilla
soldier.
> I have mine standing along side a Star Wars stormtrooper and a Star Trek
> redshirt (Scotty).
>
> However I'm seriously thinking about junking my Hasbro 7" figures.
They're
> just so horrible compared to the Medicoms.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> You will be pleased to know that the new group is developing ground rules
> and these may include limiting posts to 100 words or less.
>
> As Rory knows, anyone who breaks the rules will be banished into the
> forbidden zone.
>
> Michael

> there is to it. I also think that Patrick tends to go off on a lot of
> irrelevant tangents but when I see this happening I tend to just
> > > >
> > > > Anything about POTA is fair game but those irrelevant tangents
> go way off topic and chase people away from the group and now we have
> 2 groups. I didn't know things were getting so far out of hand. I'll
>
> *** But are they "irrelevant tangents"? The way I see it, topics
> which some others on this site see as "unrelated" to POTA are not

> others on this site who are "guilty" of this offense. I just think
> that SOME jokers on this site get off on being adversarial towards
> me, some in a not-so-serious fashion (Rory & T), and others in a
> manner that lends itself to "flame wars".

> I find it interesting that your little list has it as "Patrick vs.
> Whomever" rather than the other way around. Why not list "Rory vs.
> James", while you're at it? Rory has traded disagreements with James

> on this site... so why did you leave it out? Ahhh, perhaps because
> you would like everybody to somehow think that all the "flame wars"
> on this site have been instigated by me.

> Which leads me to wonder... just WHY do you call yourself "Melkor" on
> this site? The only "Melkor" I've ever heard of is J.R.R. Tolkien's
> character from "The Silmarillion", the Ainu ("angel") who--like
> Lucifer in Milton's "Paradise Lost"--becomes the chief of the "fallen
> angels" of Middle Earth, the first "Dark Lord", re-named "Morgoth".
> The "dark lord" Sauron in "Lord of the Rings" is but his deputy in
> the First Age of Middle Earth.
> So... do you fancy yourself some sort of Commander-in-Chief of all
> the Evil Forces which make life difficult for the Elves, Dwarves, and
> Men of Middle Earth?

> You went out of your way to adopt a "SN" which
> essentially is the Tolkienesque equivalent of "Satan".

> Did you just
> like the sound of the name "Melkor", Melkor?

> Or do you have delusions
> of evil grandeur, as did Tolkien's character in "Ainulindale"?

> Inquiring minds want to know.

> > Michael's group is also a lot stricter about off topic stuff.
> >
>
> Beware the Michael group, for they're all a bunch of orangutans!

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Beware the Michael group, for they're all a bunch of orangutans!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melkor [melkor@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2002 5:39
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Breaking Silence
>
>
>
> Michael's group is also a lot stricter about off topic stuff.
>
> > You will be pleased to know that the new group is developing
> ground rules
> > and these may include limiting posts to 100 words or less.
> >
> > As Rory knows, anyone who breaks the rules will be banished into the
> > forbidden zone.
> >
> > Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> As opposed to the bunch of gorillas over here.
>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > Beware the Michael group, for they're all a bunch of orangutans!
>

>
> Yeah, I really did write it, but it was a one-time lark of a thing. I've
> been thinking of writing another chapter, but it would be a scene later in
> the movie. It's finding the time to do it that's the problem.
>

>
> Is there a "god" in the fictional POTA universe, as there is in
> the "Lord of the Rings" universe? Absolutely NOT. At the end of

> BENEATH, the planet Earth "is now dead". Not "mostly dead"...
> not "partially still breathing"... it's DEAD. Would a "god" ("...if
> there IS a god...") sit idly by and allow His precious creation--the
> planet and all those whom He had created in His image--to be

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melkor [melkor@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2002 7:20
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: New Group?
>
>
> > I find it interesting that your little list has it as "Patrick vs.
> > Whomever" rather than the other way around. Why not list "Rory vs.
> > James", while you're at it? Rory has traded disagreements with James
>
> I don't think that was a real flame war.
>
>
> > on this site... so why did you leave it out? Ahhh, perhaps because
> > you would like everybody to somehow think that all the "flame wars"
> > on this site have been instigated by me.
>
> I honestly can't think of many flame wars in this group that
> didn't involve
> you. But maybe this group won't have any more of them since a lot of the
> people you've gotten into flame wars with have gone to another group.
>
>
>
> > Which leads me to wonder... just WHY do you call yourself "Melkor" on
> > this site? The only "Melkor" I've ever heard of is J.R.R. Tolkien's
> > character from "The Silmarillion", the Ainu ("angel") who--like
> > Lucifer in Milton's "Paradise Lost"--becomes the chief of the "fallen
> > angels" of Middle Earth, the first "Dark Lord", re-named "Morgoth".
> > The "dark lord" Sauron in "Lord of the Rings" is but his deputy in
> > the First Age of Middle Earth.
> > So... do you fancy yourself some sort of Commander-in-Chief of all
> > the Evil Forces which make life difficult for the Elves, Dwarves, and
> > Men of Middle Earth?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> > You went out of your way to adopt a "SN" which
> > essentially is the Tolkienesque equivalent of "Satan".
>
> Yes.
>
>
> > Did you just
> > like the sound of the name "Melkor", Melkor?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> > Or do you have delusions
> > of evil grandeur, as did Tolkien's character in "Ainulindale"?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> > Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> Morgoth was really the "Satan" character. Melkor started off as a guy
> who just sang a little louder than the rest of his singing group and not
> as a full fledged Satan.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melkor [melkor@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2002 7:30
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Breaking Silence
>
>
>
> > > Michael's group is also a lot stricter about off topic stuff.
> > >
> >
> > Beware the Michael group, for they're all a bunch of orangutans!
>
> I think this group can exist as the more lenient group and the other
> group as the more strict one.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2002 10:14
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Breaking Silence

In a message dated 11/19/02 5:24:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, melkor@... writes:

Please lets not start a flame war between POTA groups!

Too late!
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

> In a message dated 11/19/02 3:30:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> melkor@... writes:
>
>
> > I think this group can exist as the more lenient group and the

> > group as the more strict one.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, this one is the "fun" chimp group, and the other is

> orangutan group!
>
> -- Rory
>

>
> > No offense Patrick, but a majority of the new group just wanted

> > from your posts.
>
> Actually, I joined it so I could discuss other films without

> wrath of the gorilla patrol.
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Breaking Silence


>
> Please lets not start a flame war between POTA groups!
>
> Maybe the groups can be affiliated with each other. The old group can be
the
> Gorilla Group. The strict group can be the Orangutan Group. And I'll
start
> a Chimp Group.
>
> Now sedate the animal and get him out of here!!!!
>
>
> > As opposed to the bunch of gorillas over here.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > Beware the Michael group, for they're all a bunch of orangutans!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> What, there's another POTA group now? If everyone's going to

> both groups why not keep it one group? New Coke tried that and it

> work. I'm sticking to groupclassic. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Breaking Silence
>
>
> >
> > Please lets not start a flame war between POTA groups!
> >
> > Maybe the groups can be affiliated with each other. The old

> the
> > Gorilla Group. The strict group can be the Orangutan Group. And

> start
> > a Chimp Group.
> >
> > Now sedate the animal and get him out of here!!!!
> >
> >
> > > As opposed to the bunch of gorillas over here.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > > Beware the Michael group, for they're all a bunch of

> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 3:15 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] God in the POTA universe


> >
> > Is there a "god" in the fictional POTA universe, as there is in
> > the "Lord of the Rings" universe? Absolutely NOT. At the end of
>
> I think this is true only if you look at the first two movies. The
> last three movies do contain hints that a "god" character exists in
> the fictional POTA universe, although certainly not the one Zaius is
> the Chief Defender of in PLANET.
>
>
> > BENEATH, the planet Earth "is now dead". Not "mostly dead"...
> > not "partially still breathing"... it's DEAD. Would a "god" ("...if
> > there IS a god...") sit idly by and allow His precious creation--the
> > planet and all those whom He had created in His image--to be
>
>
> God DIDN'T allow the Earth to be destroyed. The latter three movies
parallel
> the New Testament in which God sent Caesar/Christ to save the Earth from
> Aldo's/Adam's Original Sin. There are Caesar/Christ parallels in BATTLE,
> ESCAPE, and as you yourself once pointed out to me, in CONQUEST too. The
> presence of a Christ-like character in the POTA universe implies the
presence
> of an unseen God character. Caesar's whole purpose in life was to stop
Aldo's
> Original Sin and thereby prevent at the original source the whole chain of
> events that led to the Earth's destruction in BENEATH. God accomplished
this
> not by suspending free will (except for Milo maybe) but by sending a
saviour
> in the right place at the right time.
>
>
> And Then God sent the world a Saviour...
> -The Lawgiver
>
> The Lawgiver's quote is the whole key to understanding what happened in
BATTLE.
> God sent "the world" a saviour, not the apes a saviour. God didn't need
to
> send Caesar to save the apes, because Aldo would have done that anyway.
> Caesar was sent by God to literally save "the world".
>
> Maybe the real Christ also started an altered timeline, and maybe in the
real
> world the Earth was also destroyed in the original timeline.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> In a message dated 11/19/02 11:22:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
>
> > How many new groups are there?
> >
>
> Whitty, aka The POTA Nazi, has started another POTA group, a

> one.
>
> -- Rory
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Breaking Silence


> Jeff,
>
> This ain't Coke, it is supposed to be POTA discussion.
>
> Not everybody is in 2 groups.....if you look around you will find
> that hardly ANYBODY is in THIS group. I have dedicated to
> discovering why that is and doing something about it, because I want
> to belong to a group that offers interesting on-topic POTA talk.
>
> I also don't want any more flame wars.
>
> I am prepared to make sacrifices (like keeping a civil tongue) in the
> other group because some have identified their unhappiness with this
> group as a result of the excessive foul language (which doesn't
> actually bother me, but like I said I can adapt). Also, I think some
> of the ladies get a bit uncomfortable with the chat about who we
> wanna hump...so what is the solution? Ignore them and let them leave
> the group? Deny yourselves of their worthy, valuable ON-TOPIC POTA
> chat because you can't exercise a minimum of self control? Not the
> way I would solve it.
>
> Another common problem identified is the endless off topic stuff.
> Every time someone mentions this, you take it personally. When I
> mentioned it recently, you had a hissy fit and started another OT
> conversation (and it seems you did this in spite of me).
>
> I've also mentioned a lot of members in the new group have sought
> sanctuary from Patrick's posts. I'll add that there is a common
> thread of offense taken to LordTZero's posts (I heve no problems with
> what the good lord T says most of the time, but some do and choose
> not to be subjected to this) and Rory's posts (which have become less
> topical and often comprise as much thought as 3 words and Heston
> flipping the bird - which was funny the first 3 times, and have now
> diminished to attempted sabbotage).
>
> I am speaking on behalf of the members in the new group because I
> have listened to the members of the new group and this is what they
> have said. I then took it a step further and have tried to offer
> people what they want...and this will be based on setting Ground
> Rules and agreeing on the consequences of breaking those rules.
> Unlike a Nazi dictator, the group votes on the rules.
>
> Rory made the comment that my wish for on-topic conversation came out
> of nowhere. It actually came from my frustration with what this
> group has turned into and when I let you guys know how I felt you
> ignored me and accused me of "crying down under". So there is now a
> new group, and the general consencus is that it rocks.
>
> I wish you guys the best in this group, and I will stay a member so I
> can continue to post off topic stuff about Eminem etc (which would be
> out of place in the movie emporium group).
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 8:34 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Silence of the Clams

Okay, here's an on topic, non offensive, thread.  What do you feel are the underlying main themes of the Apes saga?  Patrick, please allow the others to contribute before laying your Magnum Opus on us.  It will also give you valuable tying time.  Sorry, that may have been offensive to Pat.  Jump in any time Pratick.  Sorry again, that misspelling of Particks name was unintentional, but so humorous, at least to me, that I decided to explain, rather than correct it.  Again, I meant no fooence.  Ha!  I did it again, twice!  oh well...remember that gal who had no spell checker, it reminds me of her posts.  Sorry, I'm getting off topic again.  Just ignore the rest, like Pat's post.  Sorry!  Sorry Pat.  I really do enjoy at least 15% of each of your posts.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 8:52 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Thanks, it's been fun...for the most part.


> To whom ever is still in THIS group ( did I miss something? Must've
deleted
> one too many posts before reading them) and to whoever may care,
> I'm changing my internet server for a cheaper package and as a result will
> have new email address. I won't be rejoining this ( or any other) APE
> group, for now. I've been on this group for quite a while and as much as I
> have enjoyed it, I think the flame wars and subsequent deterioration and
> segregation of the group began out of bordom as I personally feel we've
> really covered most APE related topics, at least the topics I was
interested
> in. I honestly wish you all well and will miss SOME of the members'
> contributions.
> Best to all,
> KEN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>>

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2002 15:52
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: New Group?

In a message dated 11/19/02 11:48:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Matt

Are you still doubting that this group thrives on flame wars?

Michael

Hey, POTA Nazi. . . Why don't you get out of this group?  You have nothing to contribute but your own sick mind.

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2002 21:54
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The POTA Nazi

In a message dated 11/20/02 1:44:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I'm staying Rory...but I have a strange feeling you have been
rejected from the new group because you attempted to start up more
flame wars....are you crying down under?

Michael

Not when I know I'm dealing with a kook like you!  I'm with Ken Tayor -- it's over.  I like Matt's Film Emporium group better now anyway.

You mean Aussie POTA Nazi!
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:56 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Rory's Tears


> Be gentle with him boys...he's still crying because the new group
> rejected him....something he should be used to by now...
>
> When are you gonna get laid Rory?
>
> Are you back on medication?
>
> The Mean Old Nazi that Rory doen't want to play with any more
>
> From: Haristas@a...
> Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:51 am
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: New Group?
>
> Hey, POTA Nazi. . . Why don't you get out of this group? You have
> nothing to contribute but your own sick mind.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

<No offense Patrick, but a majority of the new group just wanted to get away
from your posts.

For whatever reason, sometimes just because they are genrally lengthy and
include more science than most POTA fans can stomach. Don't take it
personally.>

Geez Michael, why don't you start a discussion group for the film "Heathers"
while you're at it?

Matt

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:54 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] The POTA Nazi

Hey that's funny - I just spoke to Ken and he thinks you suk!  He says for you to stop saying you are "with" him - he is not gay!

 

But hey, it's all in fun remember?

 

A hahahahaha

 

Michael Nazi Boy

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2002 21:54
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The POTA Nazi

In a message dated 11/20/02 1:44:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I'm staying Rory...but I have a strange feeling you have been
rejected from the new group because you attempted to start up more
flame wars....are you crying down under?

Michael

Not when I know I'm dealing with a kook like you!  I'm with Ken Tayor -- it's over.  I like Matt's Film Emporium group better now anyway.

You mean Aussie POTA Nazi!

> In a message dated 11/19/02 11:48:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
> <<Matt
>
> Are you still doubting that this group thrives on flame wars?>>
>
> Michael,
>
> It seems to me that YOU are once again at the root of the problem.

> wanted an all "on-topic" Apes group and you got it. I personally

> off-topic posts, so I took it upon myself to start a new group

> That's great. I joined the new group because I was invitied and I

> post there at my leisure. There are some great people in that group

> would like to maintain communications with them.
>
> Now we still have the "Apes Classic" group and I would like to

> membership there as well because of some of the online friendships

> there. You on the other hand seem to think that this is your forum

> garbage, getting that out of your system here so you can "play

> group.
>
> It seems you have a problem with Rory. That's your business. But if

> please take it private. I think I speak for the majority of the

> that I don't want or need to read this crap. I does nothing for me.
>
> To quote Limbo: "Can't we all just get along?"
>
> Matt
>
>
> ------------------------ ---------------------

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>
>
>
>

>
>
>

> In a message dated 11/20/02 12:42:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> MTotsky@... writes:
>
>
> > Geez Michael, why don't you start a discussion group for the film

> >
> > while you're at it?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> Watch out, Matt, or he'll kick you out of his new group.
>
> -- Rory
>