> Just for the record, I didn't say that you 'sucked' Rory and I'd

> it Michael if you didn't use my name to perpetuate your

> wars. So you've started a new group, good for you, I hope it goes

> t remember, you'll catch more flies with honey.
> Best,
> KEN
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:54 PM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] The POTA Nazi
>
>
> Hey that's funny - I just spoke to Ken and he thinks you suk! He

> r you to stop saying you are "with" him - he is not gay!
>
> But hey, it's all in fun remember?
>
> A hahahahaha
>
> Michael Nazi Boy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2002 21:54
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The POTA Nazi
>
>
> In a message dated 11/20/02 1:44:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> berone.com.au writes:
>
>
>
> I'm staying Rory...but I have a strange feeling you have been
> rejected from the new group because you attempted to start up

> flame wars....are you crying down under?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> Not when I know I'm dealing with a kook like you! I'm with Ken

> - it's over. I like Matt's Film Emporium group better now anyway.
>
> You mean Aussie POTA Nazi!
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

>
>

> Just making a point Matt (and probably don't need to continue making
> it but I have chosen to anyway). Rory has stated that it is OK to
> spew garbage on this group, so that's what I'll do. Then, just like
> Rory, I'll remind you all that it is "just for fun".
>
> I already said I'm compromising on the other group so you're not
> breaking any news there. The aim of the other group is to keep
> members active and engaged. If people on this group want to belittle
> the other group you can bet I'll defend it.
>
> So now I'M at the root of it...OK!
>
> Well, I'll tell you what, I'll stop spewing garbage when you have all
> finished dumping it on me and the new group.
>
> Michael
>
> --- "mtotsky" <MTotsky@...> wrote:
> > In a message dated 11/19/02 11:48:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > whitty@c... writes:
> > Michael,
> >
> > It seems to me that YOU are once again at the root of the problem.
> You
> > wanted an all "on-topic" Apes group and you got it. I personally
> liked the
> > off-topic posts, so I took it upon myself to start a new group
> dedicated to that.
> > That's great. I joined the new group because I was invitied and I
> will lurk and
> > post there at my leisure. There are some great people in that group
> and I
> > would like to maintain communications with them.
> >
> > Now we still have the "Apes Classic" group and I would like to
> maintain my
> > membership there as well because of some of the online friendships
> I started
> > there. You on the other hand seem to think that this is your forum
> for spewing
> > garbage, getting that out of your system here so you can "play
> nice" at the new
> > group.

> Just for the record, I didn't say that you 'sucked' Rory and I'd

> it Michael if you didn't use my name to perpetuate your

> wars. So you've started a new group, good for you, I hope it goes

> t remember, you'll catch more flies with honey.
> Best,
> KEN
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:54 PM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] The POTA Nazi
>
>
> Hey that's funny - I just spoke to Ken and he thinks you suk! He

> r you to stop saying you are "with" him - he is not gay!
>
> But hey, it's all in fun remember?
>
> A hahahahaha
>
> Michael Nazi Boy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2002 21:54
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The POTA Nazi
>
>
> In a message dated 11/20/02 1:44:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> berone.com.au writes:
>
>
>
> I'm staying Rory...but I have a strange feeling you have been
> rejected from the new group because you attempted to start up

> flame wars....are you crying down under?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> Not when I know I'm dealing with a kook like you! I'm with Ken

> - it's over. I like Matt's Film Emporium group better now anyway.
>
> You mean Aussie POTA Nazi!
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

>
>

> I have stopped, but I will continue to respond to being called a

> and so do I , and so shall I.

> from what I have interpreted from this group, flame wars, name

> Yes I do, and I see your point, and like I said I've made my point

> Not really. The new group is there so people stay in it (which was

> But, as you said, Jeff and Rory (and Patrick) often have

> So it should, and as you know Rory joined the "new" group, then

> I really would be a nazi if I objected to this! Tom, I like OT

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!


> Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
>
> Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't believe you
> will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> about "behaving" yourself in the new group, seemingly in order to get
> some shock waves going over there (but, because I had the insight to
> guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you were thrown out
> on your ass - which is what this is really about).
>
> Stop being a nazi, Rory.
>
> From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> Subject: Re: Rory
>
> Several people were concerned when Rory joined this group because
> they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old group. Michael
> warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he would be
> banned. After making several posts that were attempts to start flame
> wars here (because the group is moderated they were deleted before
> they could go out to the group as a whole) it was decided that for
> the good of the group Rory should be banned.
>
> From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
>
> Let's not dwell on this or it will have the effect Rory intended -
> causing off topic bickering and starting flame wars. By the way,
> that's a suggestion, not an order.
>
> But let it be known that anyone, including James and myself and any
> other moderators (there was a call for another moderator form
> James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the same fate should they
> decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules (which is why
> we need to get these down). If you think that makes me a nazi or
> control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to build a group
> that will stay together and be effective (which is why I am
> accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to serve the
> majority, NOT to serve myself).
>
> Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the group was up there with
> the most difficult decisions I have made in my life. On a personal
> level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that friendhip (what
> kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has been taping
> episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent him a heap of VHS tapes
> and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
>
> I am absolutely shattered by this event.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> The entire post doesn't change the sum and substance of what Rory

> pointing out. I think it's nice that he's honoring his commitment;

> just send the tapes and the money back and save a lot of effort. - -

>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!
>
>
> > Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
> >
> > Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't believe you
> > will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> > about "behaving" yourself in the new group, seemingly in order to

> > some shock waves going over there (but, because I had the insight

> > guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you were thrown

> > on your ass - which is what this is really about).
> >
> > Stop being a nazi, Rory.
> >
> > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> > Subject: Re: Rory
> >
> > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this group because
> > they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old group.

> > warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he would be
> > banned. After making several posts that were attempts to start

> > wars here (because the group is moderated they were deleted before
> > they could go out to the group as a whole) it was decided that for
> > the good of the group Rory should be banned.
> >
> > From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> > Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> >
> > Let's not dwell on this or it will have the effect Rory intended -
> > causing off topic bickering and starting flame wars. By the way,
> > that's a suggestion, not an order.
> >
> > But let it be known that anyone, including James and myself and

> > other moderators (there was a call for another moderator form
> > James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the same fate should

> > decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules (which is

> > we need to get these down). If you think that makes me a nazi or
> > control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to build a

> > that will stay together and be effective (which is why I am
> > accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to serve the
> > majority, NOT to serve myself).
> >
> > Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the group was up there

> > the most difficult decisions I have made in my life. On a personal
> > level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that friendhip

> > kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has been taping
> > episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent him a heap of VHS

> > and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
> >
> > I am absolutely shattered by this event.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!


> You can bet he'll either just keep them (my bet) or send something
> FAR from that.
>
> I'm over it. I want NOTHING from him.
>
> $20 is cheap to learn who your friends are.
>
> Anyway Jeff, others in your group are suggesting these topics be
> dropped and/or taken private. I'm willing, but I imagine you would
> be quite offended that someone suggest how you and Rory should
> run "your" group?
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > The entire post doesn't change the sum and substance of what Rory
> was
> > pointing out. I think it's nice that he's honoring his commitment;
> he could
> > just send the tapes and the money back and save a lot of effort. - -
> - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <whitty@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!
> >
> >
> > > Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
> > >
> > > Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't believe you
> > > will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> > > about "behaving" yourself in the new group, seemingly in order to
> get
> > > some shock waves going over there (but, because I had the insight
> to
> > > guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you were thrown
> out
> > > on your ass - which is what this is really about).
> > >
> > > Stop being a nazi, Rory.
> > >
> > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > Subject: Re: Rory
> > >
> > > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this group because
> > > they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old group.
> Michael
> > > warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he would be
> > > banned. After making several posts that were attempts to start
> flame
> > > wars here (because the group is moderated they were deleted before
> > > they could go out to the group as a whole) it was decided that for
> > > the good of the group Rory should be banned.
> > >
> > > From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> > > Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > >
> > > Let's not dwell on this or it will have the effect Rory intended -
> > > causing off topic bickering and starting flame wars. By the way,
> > > that's a suggestion, not an order.
> > >
> > > But let it be known that anyone, including James and myself and
> any
> > > other moderators (there was a call for another moderator form
> > > James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the same fate should
> they
> > > decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules (which is
> why
> > > we need to get these down). If you think that makes me a nazi or
> > > control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to build a
> group
> > > that will stay together and be effective (which is why I am
> > > accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to serve the
> > > majority, NOT to serve myself).
> > >
> > > Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the group was up there
> with
> > > the most difficult decisions I have made in my life. On a personal
> > > level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that friendhip
> (what
> > > kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has been taping
> > > episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent him a heap of VHS
> tapes
> > > and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
> > >
> > > I am absolutely shattered by this event.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> The topic was brought up, I just commented on it. I have no

> believe Rory won't honor his commitment. If he doesn't, I'm sure

> us about it. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
>
>
> > You can bet he'll either just keep them (my bet) or send something
> > FAR from that.
> >
> > I'm over it. I want NOTHING from him.
> >
> > $20 is cheap to learn who your friends are.
> >
> > Anyway Jeff, others in your group are suggesting these topics be
> > dropped and/or taken private. I'm willing, but I imagine you

> > be quite offended that someone suggest how you and Rory should
> > run "your" group?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > The entire post doesn't change the sum and substance of what

> > was
> > > pointing out. I think it's nice that he's honoring his

> > he could
> > > just send the tapes and the money back and save a lot of

> > - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
> > > >
> > > > Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't believe

> > > > will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> > > > about "behaving" yourself in the new group, seemingly in

> > get
> > > > some shock waves going over there (but, because I had the

> > to
> > > > guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you were

> > out
> > > > on your ass - which is what this is really about).
> > > >
> > > > Stop being a nazi, Rory.
> > > >
> > > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > > Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: Rory
> > > >
> > > > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this group

> > > > they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old group.
> > Michael
> > > > warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he would be
> > > > banned. After making several posts that were attempts to start
> > flame
> > > > wars here (because the group is moderated they were deleted

> > > > they could go out to the group as a whole) it was decided

> > > > the good of the group Rory should be banned.
> > > >
> > > > From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> > > > Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > > >
> > > > Let's not dwell on this or it will have the effect Rory

> > > > causing off topic bickering and starting flame wars. By the

> > > > that's a suggestion, not an order.
> > > >
> > > > But let it be known that anyone, including James and myself

> > any
> > > > other moderators (there was a call for another moderator form
> > > > James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the same fate should
> > they
> > > > decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules (which

> > why
> > > > we need to get these down). If you think that makes me a nazi

> > > > control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to build a
> > group
> > > > that will stay together and be effective (which is why I am
> > > > accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to serve

> > > > majority, NOT to serve myself).
> > > >
> > > > Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the group was up

> > with
> > > > the most difficult decisions I have made in my life. On a

> > > > level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that friendhip
> > (what
> > > > kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has been

> > > > episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent him a heap of VHS
> > tapes
> > > > and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
> > > >
> > > > I am absolutely shattered by this event.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!


> The topic was brought up, I just commented on it. I have no reason to
> believe Rory won't honor his commitment. If he doesn't, I'm sure you'll
tell
> us about it. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
>
>
> > You can bet he'll either just keep them (my bet) or send something
> > FAR from that.
> >
> > I'm over it. I want NOTHING from him.
> >
> > $20 is cheap to learn who your friends are.
> >
> > Anyway Jeff, others in your group are suggesting these topics be
> > dropped and/or taken private. I'm willing, but I imagine you would
> > be quite offended that someone suggest how you and Rory should
> > run "your" group?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > The entire post doesn't change the sum and substance of what Rory
> > was
> > > pointing out. I think it's nice that he's honoring his commitment;
> > he could
> > > just send the tapes and the money back and save a lot of effort. - -
> > - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
> > > >
> > > > Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't believe you
> > > > will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> > > > about "behaving" yourself in the new group, seemingly in order to
> > get
> > > > some shock waves going over there (but, because I had the insight
> > to
> > > > guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you were thrown
> > out
> > > > on your ass - which is what this is really about).
> > > >
> > > > Stop being a nazi, Rory.
> > > >
> > > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > > Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: Rory
> > > >
> > > > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this group because
> > > > they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old group.
> > Michael
> > > > warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he would be
> > > > banned. After making several posts that were attempts to start
> > flame
> > > > wars here (because the group is moderated they were deleted before
> > > > they could go out to the group as a whole) it was decided that for
> > > > the good of the group Rory should be banned.
> > > >
> > > > From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> > > > Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > > >
> > > > Let's not dwell on this or it will have the effect Rory intended -
> > > > causing off topic bickering and starting flame wars. By the way,
> > > > that's a suggestion, not an order.
> > > >
> > > > But let it be known that anyone, including James and myself and
> > any
> > > > other moderators (there was a call for another moderator form
> > > > James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the same fate should
> > they
> > > > decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules (which is
> > why
> > > > we need to get these down). If you think that makes me a nazi or
> > > > control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to build a
> > group
> > > > that will stay together and be effective (which is why I am
> > > > accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to serve the
> > > > majority, NOT to serve myself).
> > > >
> > > > Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the group was up there
> > with
> > > > the most difficult decisions I have made in my life. On a personal
> > > > level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that friendhip
> > (what
> > > > kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has been taping
> > > > episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent him a heap of VHS
> > tapes
> > > > and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
> > > >
> > > > I am absolutely shattered by this event.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!


> Your continuing to publicly comment on it is pointless and, if I have
> been reading the postings from other members in "your" group
> properly, not wanted (come on guys, tell him...be fair!).
>
> I know you're just standing up for your buddy and that is admirable
> (if not misguided - he does not offer the same support for you,
> believe me), but, like I said, this, and the previous email, don't
> need public forum and I am willing to discuss it privately if you are.
>
> However, if you want to continue the public forum I am also willing.
>
> Also, I won't tell you anything about whether he honors his
> commitment. The only reason I mentioned that was to let people know
> that I had nothing to gain, and much to lose (frankly, more
> importantly, what I thought was a friend - and this is the important
> bit that Rory left out of his "choice cuts" and also how showing the
> entire post changes things) by showing Rory the door.
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > The topic was brought up, I just commented on it. I have no
> reason to
> > believe Rory won't honor his commitment. If he doesn't, I'm sure
> you'll tell
> > us about it. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <whitty@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> >
> >
> > > You can bet he'll either just keep them (my bet) or send something
> > > FAR from that.
> > >
> > > I'm over it. I want NOTHING from him.
> > >
> > > $20 is cheap to learn who your friends are.
> > >
> > > Anyway Jeff, others in your group are suggesting these topics be
> > > dropped and/or taken private. I'm willing, but I imagine you
> would
> > > be quite offended that someone suggest how you and Rory should
> > > run "your" group?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > The entire post doesn't change the sum and substance of what
> Rory
> > > was
> > > > pointing out. I think it's nice that he's honoring his
> commitment;
> > > he could
> > > > just send the tapes and the money back and save a lot of
> effort. - -
> > > - Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't believe
> you
> > > > > will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> > > > > about "behaving" yourself in the new group, seemingly in
> order to
> > > get
> > > > > some shock waves going over there (but, because I had the
> insight
> > > to
> > > > > guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you were
> thrown
> > > out
> > > > > on your ass - which is what this is really about).
> > > > >
> > > > > Stop being a nazi, Rory.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > > > Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > > > Subject: Re: Rory
> > > > >
> > > > > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this group
> because
> > > > > they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old group.
> > > Michael
> > > > > warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he would be
> > > > > banned. After making several posts that were attempts to start
> > > flame
> > > > > wars here (because the group is moderated they were deleted
> before
> > > > > they could go out to the group as a whole) it was decided
> that for
> > > > > the good of the group Rory should be banned.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> > > > > Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> > > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's not dwell on this or it will have the effect Rory
> intended -
> > > > > causing off topic bickering and starting flame wars. By the
> way,
> > > > > that's a suggestion, not an order.
> > > > >
> > > > > But let it be known that anyone, including James and myself
> and
> > > any
> > > > > other moderators (there was a call for another moderator form
> > > > > James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the same fate should
> > > they
> > > > > decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules (which
> is
> > > why
> > > > > we need to get these down). If you think that makes me a nazi
> or
> > > > > control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to build a
> > > group
> > > > > that will stay together and be effective (which is why I am
> > > > > accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to serve
> the
> > > > > majority, NOT to serve myself).
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the group was up
> there
> > > with
> > > > > the most difficult decisions I have made in my life. On a
> personal
> > > > > level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that friendhip
> > > (what
> > > > > kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has been
> taping
> > > > > episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent him a heap of VHS
> > > tapes
> > > > > and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am absolutely shattered by this event.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
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> You keep insinuating what Rory tells you behind closed doors,

> were wrong about what Ken "said". Whatever. That's between you and

> I've already tried to move on and start a new beginning with a

> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
>
>
> > Your continuing to publicly comment on it is pointless and, if I

> > been reading the postings from other members in "your" group
> > properly, not wanted (come on guys, tell him...be fair!).
> >
> > I know you're just standing up for your buddy and that is

> > (if not misguided - he does not offer the same support for you,
> > believe me), but, like I said, this, and the previous email, don't
> > need public forum and I am willing to discuss it privately if you

> >
> > However, if you want to continue the public forum I am also

> >
> > Also, I won't tell you anything about whether he honors his
> > commitment. The only reason I mentioned that was to let people

> > that I had nothing to gain, and much to lose (frankly, more
> > importantly, what I thought was a friend - and this is the

> > bit that Rory left out of his "choice cuts" and also how showing

> > entire post changes things) by showing Rory the door.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > The topic was brought up, I just commented on it. I have no
> > reason to
> > > believe Rory won't honor his commitment. If he doesn't, I'm sure
> > you'll tell
> > > us about it. - - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> > >
> > >
> > > > You can bet he'll either just keep them (my bet) or send

> > > > FAR from that.
> > > >
> > > > I'm over it. I want NOTHING from him.
> > > >
> > > > $20 is cheap to learn who your friends are.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway Jeff, others in your group are suggesting these topics

> > > > dropped and/or taken private. I'm willing, but I imagine you
> > would
> > > > be quite offended that someone suggest how you and Rory should
> > > > run "your" group?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > The entire post doesn't change the sum and substance of

> > Rory
> > > > was
> > > > > pointing out. I think it's nice that he's honoring his
> > commitment;
> > > > he could
> > > > > just send the tapes and the money back and save a lot of
> > effort. - -
> > > > - Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't

> > you
> > > > > > will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> > > > > > about "behaving" yourself in the new group, seemingly in
> > order to
> > > > get
> > > > > > some shock waves going over there (but, because I had the
> > insight
> > > > to
> > > > > > guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you were
> > thrown
> > > > out
> > > > > > on your ass - which is what this is really about).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stop being a nazi, Rory.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > > > > Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Rory
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this group
> > because
> > > > > > they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old

> > > > Michael
> > > > > > warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he

> > > > > > banned. After making several posts that were attempts to

> > > > flame
> > > > > > wars here (because the group is moderated they were

> > before
> > > > > > they could go out to the group as a whole) it was decided
> > that for
> > > > > > the good of the group Rory should be banned.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> > > > > > Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's not dwell on this or it will have the effect Rory
> > intended -
> > > > > > causing off topic bickering and starting flame wars. By

> > way,
> > > > > > that's a suggestion, not an order.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But let it be known that anyone, including James and

> > and
> > > > any
> > > > > > other moderators (there was a call for another moderator

> > > > > > James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the same fate

> > > > they
> > > > > > decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules

> > is
> > > > why
> > > > > > we need to get these down). If you think that makes me a

> > or
> > > > > > control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to

> > > > group
> > > > > > that will stay together and be effective (which is why I

> > > > > > accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to

> > the
> > > > > > majority, NOT to serve myself).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the group was up
> > there
> > > > with
> > > > > > the most difficult decisions I have made in my life. On a
> > personal
> > > > > > level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that

> > > > (what
> > > > > > kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has been
> > taping
> > > > > > episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent him a heap

> > > > tapes
> > > > > > and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am absolutely shattered by this event.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > >
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> I'l explain privately and you can tell the group if the content of
> that email could have come from anyone else.
>
> Michael
>
> --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > You keep insinuating what Rory tells you behind closed doors,
> but you
> > were wrong about what Ken "said". Whatever. That's between you

> Rory.
> > I've already tried to move on and start a new beginning with a
> post. - - -
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <whitty@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> >
> >
> > > Your continuing to publicly comment on it is pointless and, if

> have
> > > been reading the postings from other members in "your" group
> > > properly, not wanted (come on guys, tell him...be fair!).
> > >
> > > I know you're just standing up for your buddy and that is
> admirable
> > > (if not misguided - he does not offer the same support for you,
> > > believe me), but, like I said, this, and the previous email,

> > > need public forum and I am willing to discuss it privately if

> are.
> > >
> > > However, if you want to continue the public forum I am also
> willing.
> > >
> > > Also, I won't tell you anything about whether he honors his
> > > commitment. The only reason I mentioned that was to let people
> know
> > > that I had nothing to gain, and much to lose (frankly, more
> > > importantly, what I thought was a friend - and this is the
> important
> > > bit that Rory left out of his "choice cuts" and also how

> the
> > > entire post changes things) by showing Rory the door.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > The topic was brought up, I just commented on it. I have no
> > > reason to
> > > > believe Rory won't honor his commitment. If he doesn't, I'm

> > > you'll tell
> > > > us about it. - - - Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You can bet he'll either just keep them (my bet) or send
> something
> > > > > FAR from that.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm over it. I want NOTHING from him.
> > > > >
> > > > > $20 is cheap to learn who your friends are.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway Jeff, others in your group are suggesting these

> be
> > > > > dropped and/or taken private. I'm willing, but I imagine

> > > would
> > > > > be quite offended that someone suggest how you and Rory

> > > > > run "your" group?
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > > The entire post doesn't change the sum and substance of
> what
> > > Rory
> > > > > was
> > > > > > pointing out. I think it's nice that he's honoring his
> > > commitment;
> > > > > he could
> > > > > > just send the tapes and the money back and save a lot of
> > > effort. - -
> > > > > - Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't
> believe
> > > you
> > > > > > > will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> > > > > > > about "behaving" yourself in the new group, seemingly in
> > > order to
> > > > > get
> > > > > > > some shock waves going over there (but, because I had

> > > insight
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you

> > > thrown
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > on your ass - which is what this is really about).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stop being a nazi, Rory.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > > > > > Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rory
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this

> > > because
> > > > > > > they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old
> group.
> > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he
> would be
> > > > > > > banned. After making several posts that were attempts

> start
> > > > > flame
> > > > > > > wars here (because the group is moderated they were
> deleted
> > > before
> > > > > > > they could go out to the group as a whole) it was

> > > that for
> > > > > > > the good of the group Rory should be banned.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> > > > > > > Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let's not dwell on this or it will have the effect Rory
> > > intended -
> > > > > > > causing off topic bickering and starting flame wars. By
> the
> > > way,
> > > > > > > that's a suggestion, not an order.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But let it be known that anyone, including James and
> myself
> > > and
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > other moderators (there was a call for another

> form
> > > > > > > James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the same fate
> should
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules
> (which
> > > is
> > > > > why
> > > > > > > we need to get these down). If you think that makes me

> nazi
> > > or
> > > > > > > control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to
> build a
> > > > > group
> > > > > > > that will stay together and be effective (which is why

> am
> > > > > > > accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to
> serve
> > > the
> > > > > > > majority, NOT to serve myself).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the group was

> > > there
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > the most difficult decisions I have made in my life. On

> > > personal
> > > > > > > level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that
> friendhip
> > > > > (what
> > > > > > > kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has

> > > taping
> > > > > > > episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent him a heap
> of VHS
> > > > > tapes
> > > > > > > and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am absolutely shattered by this event.
> > > > > > >
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----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Natalie!


> You there Jeff?
>
> --- "whitty@..." <whitty@...> wrote:
> > I'l explain privately and you can tell the group if the content of
> > that email could have come from anyone else.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > You keep insinuating what Rory tells you behind closed doors,
> > but you
> > > were wrong about what Ken "said". Whatever. That's between you
> and
> > Rory.
> > > I've already tried to move on and start a new beginning with a
> > post. - - -
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Your continuing to publicly comment on it is pointless and, if
> I
> > have
> > > > been reading the postings from other members in "your" group
> > > > properly, not wanted (come on guys, tell him...be fair!).
> > > >
> > > > I know you're just standing up for your buddy and that is
> > admirable
> > > > (if not misguided - he does not offer the same support for you,
> > > > believe me), but, like I said, this, and the previous email,
> don't
> > > > need public forum and I am willing to discuss it privately if
> you
> > are.
> > > >
> > > > However, if you want to continue the public forum I am also
> > willing.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I won't tell you anything about whether he honors his
> > > > commitment. The only reason I mentioned that was to let people
> > know
> > > > that I had nothing to gain, and much to lose (frankly, more
> > > > importantly, what I thought was a friend - and this is the
> > important
> > > > bit that Rory left out of his "choice cuts" and also how
> showing
> > the
> > > > entire post changes things) by showing Rory the door.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > The topic was brought up, I just commented on it. I have no
> > > > reason to
> > > > > believe Rory won't honor his commitment. If he doesn't, I'm
> sure
> > > > you'll tell
> > > > > us about it. - - - Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You can bet he'll either just keep them (my bet) or send
> > something
> > > > > > FAR from that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm over it. I want NOTHING from him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > $20 is cheap to learn who your friends are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway Jeff, others in your group are suggesting these
> topics
> > be
> > > > > > dropped and/or taken private. I'm willing, but I imagine
> you
> > > > would
> > > > > > be quite offended that someone suggest how you and Rory
> should
> > > > > > run "your" group?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > > > The entire post doesn't change the sum and substance of
> > what
> > > > Rory
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > pointing out. I think it's nice that he's honoring his
> > > > commitment;
> > > > > > he could
> > > > > > > just send the tapes and the money back and save a lot of
> > > > effort. - -
> > > > > > - Jeff
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't
> > believe
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> > > > > > > > about "behaving" yourself in the new group, seemingly in
> > > > order to
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > some shock waves going over there (but, because I had
> the
> > > > insight
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you
> were
> > > > thrown
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > on your ass - which is what this is really about).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Stop being a nazi, Rory.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > > > > > > Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rory
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this
> group
> > > > because
> > > > > > > > they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old
> > group.
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he
> > would be
> > > > > > > > banned. After making several posts that were attempts
> to
> > start
> > > > > > flame
> > > > > > > > wars here (because the group is moderated they were
> > deleted
> > > > before
> > > > > > > > they could go out to the group as a whole) it was
> decided
> > > > that for
> > > > > > > > the good of the group Rory should be banned.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> > > > > > > > Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let's not dwell on this or it will have the effect Rory
> > > > intended -
> > > > > > > > causing off topic bickering and starting flame wars. By
> > the
> > > > way,
> > > > > > > > that's a suggestion, not an order.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But let it be known that anyone, including James and
> > myself
> > > > and
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > other moderators (there was a call for another
> moderator
> > form
> > > > > > > > James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the same fate
> > should
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules
> > (which
> > > > is
> > > > > > why
> > > > > > > > we need to get these down). If you think that makes me
> a
> > nazi
> > > > or
> > > > > > > > control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to
> > build a
> > > > > > group
> > > > > > > > that will stay together and be effective (which is why
> I
> > am
> > > > > > > > accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to
> > serve
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > majority, NOT to serve myself).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the group was
> up
> > > > there
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > the most difficult decisions I have made in my life. On
> a
> > > > personal
> > > > > > > > level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that
> > friendhip
> > > > > > (what
> > > > > > > > kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has
> been
> > > > taping
> > > > > > > > episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent him a heap
> > of VHS
> > > > > > tapes
> > > > > > > > and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am absolutely shattered by this event.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael
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----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Natalie!


> You there Jeff?
>
> --- "whitty@..." <whitty@...> wrote:
> > I'l explain privately and you can tell the group if the content of
> > that email could have come from anyone else.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > You keep insinuating what Rory tells you behind closed doors,
> > but you
> > > were wrong about what Ken "said". Whatever. That's between you
> and
> > Rory.
> > > I've already tried to move on and start a new beginning with a
> > post. - - -
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Your continuing to publicly comment on it is pointless and, if
> I
> > have
> > > > been reading the postings from other members in "your" group
> > > > properly, not wanted (come on guys, tell him...be fair!).
> > > >
> > > > I know you're just standing up for your buddy and that is
> > admirable
> > > > (if not misguided - he does not offer the same support for you,
> > > > believe me), but, like I said, this, and the previous email,
> don't
> > > > need public forum and I am willing to discuss it privately if
> you
> > are.
> > > >
> > > > However, if you want to continue the public forum I am also
> > willing.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I won't tell you anything about whether he honors his
> > > > commitment. The only reason I mentioned that was to let people
> > know
> > > > that I had nothing to gain, and much to lose (frankly, more
> > > > importantly, what I thought was a friend - and this is the
> > important
> > > > bit that Rory left out of his "choice cuts" and also how
> showing
> > the
> > > > entire post changes things) by showing Rory the door.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > The topic was brought up, I just commented on it. I have no
> > > > reason to
> > > > > believe Rory won't honor his commitment. If he doesn't, I'm
> sure
> > > > you'll tell
> > > > > us about it. - - - Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You can bet he'll either just keep them (my bet) or send
> > something
> > > > > > FAR from that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm over it. I want NOTHING from him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > $20 is cheap to learn who your friends are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway Jeff, others in your group are suggesting these
> topics
> > be
> > > > > > dropped and/or taken private. I'm willing, but I imagine
> you
> > > > would
> > > > > > be quite offended that someone suggest how you and Rory
> should
> > > > > > run "your" group?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > > > The entire post doesn't change the sum and substance of
> > what
> > > > Rory
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > pointing out. I think it's nice that he's honoring his
> > > > commitment;
> > > > > > he could
> > > > > > > just send the tapes and the money back and save a lot of
> > > > effort. - -
> > > > > > - Jeff
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't
> > believe
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> > > > > > > > about "behaving" yourself in the new group, seemingly in
> > > > order to
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > some shock waves going over there (but, because I had
> the
> > > > insight
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you
> were
> > > > thrown
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > on your ass - which is what this is really about).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Stop being a nazi, Rory.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > > > > > > Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rory
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this
> group
> > > > because
> > > > > > > > they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old
> > group.
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he
> > would be
> > > > > > > > banned. After making several posts that were attempts
> to
> > start
> > > > > > flame
> > > > > > > > wars here (because the group is moderated they were
> > deleted
> > > > before
> > > > > > > > they could go out to the group as a whole) it was
> decided
> > > > that for
> > > > > > > > the good of the group Rory should be banned.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> > > > > > > > Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let's not dwell on this or it will have the effect Rory
> > > > intended -
> > > > > > > > causing off topic bickering and starting flame wars. By
> > the
> > > > way,
> > > > > > > > that's a suggestion, not an order.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But let it be known that anyone, including James and
> > myself
> > > > and
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > other moderators (there was a call for another
> moderator
> > form
> > > > > > > > James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the same fate
> > should
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules
> > (which
> > > > is
> > > > > > why
> > > > > > > > we need to get these down). If you think that makes me
> a
> > nazi
> > > > or
> > > > > > > > control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to
> > build a
> > > > > > group
> > > > > > > > that will stay together and be effective (which is why
> I
> > am
> > > > > > > > accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to
> > serve
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > majority, NOT to serve myself).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the group was
> up
> > > > there
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > the most difficult decisions I have made in my life. On
> a
> > > > personal
> > > > > > > > level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that
> > friendhip
> > > > > > (what
> > > > > > > > kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has
> been
> > > > taping
> > > > > > > > episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent him a heap
> > of VHS
> > > > > > tapes
> > > > > > > > and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am absolutely shattered by this event.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 21 November 2002 16:36
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Natalie!
>
>
> But so do you. Beware the beast Apefan, for he is the devil's
> pawn. - - -
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Natalie!
>
>
> > You there Jeff?
> >
> > --- "whitty@..." <whitty@...> wrote:
> > > I'l explain privately and you can tell the group if the content of
> > > that email could have come from anyone else.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > You keep insinuating what Rory tells you behind closed doors,
> > > but you
> > > > were wrong about what Ken "said". Whatever. That's between you
> > and
> > > Rory.
> > > > I've already tried to move on and start a new beginning with a
> > > post. - - -
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:14 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Your continuing to publicly comment on it is pointless and, if
> > I
> > > have
> > > > > been reading the postings from other members in "your" group
> > > > > properly, not wanted (come on guys, tell him...be fair!).
> > > > >
> > > > > I know you're just standing up for your buddy and that is
> > > admirable
> > > > > (if not misguided - he does not offer the same support for you,
> > > > > believe me), but, like I said, this, and the previous email,
> > don't
> > > > > need public forum and I am willing to discuss it privately if
> > you
> > > are.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, if you want to continue the public forum I am also
> > > willing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I won't tell you anything about whether he honors his
> > > > > commitment. The only reason I mentioned that was to let people
> > > know
> > > > > that I had nothing to gain, and much to lose (frankly, more
> > > > > importantly, what I thought was a friend - and this is the
> > > important
> > > > > bit that Rory left out of his "choice cuts" and also how
> > showing
> > > the
> > > > > entire post changes things) by showing Rory the door.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > > The topic was brought up, I just commented on it. I have no
> > > > > reason to
> > > > > > believe Rory won't honor his commitment. If he doesn't, I'm
> > sure
> > > > > you'll tell
> > > > > > us about it. - - - Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:26 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can bet he'll either just keep them (my bet) or send
> > > something
> > > > > > > FAR from that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm over it. I want NOTHING from him.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > $20 is cheap to learn who your friends are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyway Jeff, others in your group are suggesting these
> > topics
> > > be
> > > > > > > dropped and/or taken private. I'm willing, but I imagine
> > you
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > be quite offended that someone suggest how you and Rory
> > should
> > > > > > > run "your" group?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > The entire post doesn't change the sum and substance of
> > > what
> > > > > Rory
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > pointing out. I think it's nice that he's honoring his
> > > > > commitment;
> > > > > > > he could
> > > > > > > > just send the tapes and the money back and save a lot of
> > > > > effort. - -
> > > > > > > - Jeff
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't
> > > believe
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> > > > > > > > > about "behaving" yourself in the new group, seemingly in
> > > > > order to
> > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > some shock waves going over there (but, because I had
> > the
> > > > > insight
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you
> > were
> > > > > thrown
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > on your ass - which is what this is really about).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Stop being a nazi, Rory.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > > > > > > > Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rory
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this
> > group
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old
> > > group.
> > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he
> > > would be
> > > > > > > > > banned. After making several posts that were attempts
> > to
> > > start
> > > > > > > flame
> > > > > > > > > wars here (because the group is moderated they were
> > > deleted
> > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > they could go out to the group as a whole) it was
> > decided
> > > > > that for
> > > > > > > > > the good of the group Rory should be banned.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let's not dwell on this or it will have the effect Rory
> > > > > intended -
> > > > > > > > > causing off topic bickering and starting flame wars. By
> > > the
> > > > > way,
> > > > > > > > > that's a suggestion, not an order.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But let it be known that anyone, including James and
> > > myself
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > other moderators (there was a call for another
> > moderator
> > > form
> > > > > > > > > James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the same fate
> > > should
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules
> > > (which
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > why
> > > > > > > > > we need to get these down). If you think that makes me
> > a
> > > nazi
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to
> > > build a
> > > > > > > group
> > > > > > > > > that will stay together and be effective (which is why
> > I
> > > am
> > > > > > > > > accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to
> > > serve
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > majority, NOT to serve myself).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the group was
> > up
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > the most difficult decisions I have made in my life. On
> > a
> > > > > personal
> > > > > > > > > level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that
> > > friendhip
> > > > > > > (what
> > > > > > > > > kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has
> > been
> > > > > taping
> > > > > > > > > episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent him a heap
> > > of VHS
> > > > > > > tapes
> > > > > > > > > and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am absolutely shattered by this event.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Michael
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My take on this guys is to get over this shit.  This is ridiculous.  You know I won't fight over this, this AIN'T REAL LIFE, this is what you do for fun.  No more points to be made here. You are destroying the groups.

Mr. Jeff, that was a great post.  Who is MFLUDER or whoever, and is he still around?  What happened to him, do you know?  Did you guys think Roddy really looked so sick in Behind the POTA?  Because I thought he looked wonderful.  Not so much in health, maybe, but so dignified. I thought he was admirable. But I always have, how could I not, when he loved the apes so much?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Natalie!


> So do I what?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, 21 November 2002 16:36
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Natalie!
> >
> >
> > But so do you. Beware the beast Apefan, for he is the devil's
> > pawn. - - -
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <whitty@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Natalie!
> >
> >
> > > You there Jeff?
> > >
> > > --- "whitty@..." <whitty@...> wrote:
> > > > I'l explain privately and you can tell the group if the content of
> > > > that email could have come from anyone else.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > You keep insinuating what Rory tells you behind closed doors,
> > > > but you
> > > > > were wrong about what Ken "said". Whatever. That's between you
> > > and
> > > > Rory.
> > > > > I've already tried to move on and start a new beginning with a
> > > > post. - - -
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:14 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Your continuing to publicly comment on it is pointless and, if
> > > I
> > > > have
> > > > > > been reading the postings from other members in "your" group
> > > > > > properly, not wanted (come on guys, tell him...be fair!).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know you're just standing up for your buddy and that is
> > > > admirable
> > > > > > (if not misguided - he does not offer the same support for you,
> > > > > > believe me), but, like I said, this, and the previous email,
> > > don't
> > > > > > need public forum and I am willing to discuss it privately if
> > > you
> > > > are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, if you want to continue the public forum I am also
> > > > willing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, I won't tell you anything about whether he honors his
> > > > > > commitment. The only reason I mentioned that was to let people
> > > > know
> > > > > > that I had nothing to gain, and much to lose (frankly, more
> > > > > > importantly, what I thought was a friend - and this is the
> > > > important
> > > > > > bit that Rory left out of his "choice cuts" and also how
> > > showing
> > > > the
> > > > > > entire post changes things) by showing Rory the door.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > > > The topic was brought up, I just commented on it. I have no
> > > > > > reason to
> > > > > > > believe Rory won't honor his commitment. If he doesn't, I'm
> > > sure
> > > > > > you'll tell
> > > > > > > us about it. - - - Jeff
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:26 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can bet he'll either just keep them (my bet) or send
> > > > something
> > > > > > > > FAR from that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm over it. I want NOTHING from him.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > $20 is cheap to learn who your friends are.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anyway Jeff, others in your group are suggesting these
> > > topics
> > > > be
> > > > > > > > dropped and/or taken private. I'm willing, but I imagine
> > > you
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be quite offended that someone suggest how you and Rory
> > > should
> > > > > > > > run "your" group?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > The entire post doesn't change the sum and substance of
> > > > what
> > > > > > Rory
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > pointing out. I think it's nice that he's honoring his
> > > > > > commitment;
> > > > > > > > he could
> > > > > > > > > just send the tapes and the money back and save a lot of
> > > > > > effort. - -
> > > > > > > > - Jeff
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't
> > > > believe
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> > > > > > > > > > about "behaving" yourself in the new group, seemingly in
> > > > > > order to
> > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > some shock waves going over there (but, because I had
> > > the
> > > > > > insight
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you
> > > were
> > > > > > thrown
> > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > on your ass - which is what this is really about).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Stop being a nazi, Rory.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rory
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this
> > > group
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old
> > > > group.
> > > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he
> > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > banned. After making several posts that were attempts
> > > to
> > > > start
> > > > > > > > flame
> > > > > > > > > > wars here (because the group is moderated they were
> > > > deleted
> > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > they could go out to the group as a whole) it was
> > > decided
> > > > > > that for
> > > > > > > > > > the good of the group Rory should be banned.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Let's not dwell on this or it will have the effect Rory
> > > > > > intended -
> > > > > > > > > > causing off topic bickering and starting flame wars. By
> > > > the
> > > > > > way,
> > > > > > > > > > that's a suggestion, not an order.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But let it be known that anyone, including James and
> > > > myself
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > other moderators (there was a call for another
> > > moderator
> > > > form
> > > > > > > > > > James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the same fate
> > > > should
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules
> > > > (which
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > why
> > > > > > > > > > we need to get these down). If you think that makes me
> > > a
> > > > nazi
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to
> > > > build a
> > > > > > > > group
> > > > > > > > > > that will stay together and be effective (which is why
> > > I
> > > > am
> > > > > > > > > > accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to
> > > > serve
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > majority, NOT to serve myself).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the group was
> > > up
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > the most difficult decisions I have made in my life. On
> > > a
> > > > > > personal
> > > > > > > > > > level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that
> > > > friendhip
> > > > > > > > (what
> > > > > > > > > > kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has
> > > been
> > > > > > taping
> > > > > > > > > > episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent him a heap
> > > > of VHS
> > > > > > > > tapes
> > > > > > > > > > and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely shattered by this event.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Michael
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----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:37 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Moments in history, etc.

My take on this guys is to get over this shit.  This is ridiculous.  You know I won't fight over this, this AIN'T REAL LIFE, this is what you do for fun.  No more points to be made here. You are destroying the groups.

Mr. Jeff, that was a great post.  Who is MFLUDER or whoever, and is he still around?  What happened to him, do you know?  Did you guys think Roddy really looked so sick in Behind the POTA?  Because I thought he looked wonderful.  Not so much in health, maybe, but so dignified. I thought he was admirable. But I always have, how could I not, when he loved the apes so much?

Kassidy

---

> Kassidy, did you see the intros Roddy did on AMC? They're hard to

> >
> > Is there a "god" in the fictional POTA universe, as there is in
> > the "Lord of the Rings" universe? Absolutely NOT. At the end of
>
> I think this is true only if you look at the first two movies. The
> last three movies do contain hints that a "god" character exists in
> the fictional POTA universe, although certainly not the one Zaius is
> the Chief Defender of in PLANET.
>
>
> > BENEATH, the planet Earth "is now dead". Not "mostly dead"...
> > not "partially still breathing"... it's DEAD. Would a "god"

>
>
> God DIDN'T allow the Earth to be destroyed. The latter three movies

>
>
> And Then God sent the world a Saviour...
> -The Lawgiver
>
> The Lawgiver's quote is the whole key to understanding what

>
> Maybe the real Christ also started an altered timeline, and maybe

>
> My take on this guys is to get over this shit. This is ridiculous. You know I won't fight over this, this AIN'T REAL LIFE, this is what you do for fun. No more points to be made here. You are destroying the groups.

> Mr. Jeff, that was a great post. Who is MFLUDER or whoever, and is he still around? What happened to him, do you know? Did you guys think Roddy really looked so sick in Behind the POTA? Because I thought he looked wonderful. Not so much in health, maybe, but so dignified. I thought he was admirable. But I always have, how could I not, when he loved the apes so much?

> I am speaking on behalf of the members in the new group because I
> have listened to the members of the new group and this is what they
> have said. I then took it a step further and have tried to offer
> people what they want...and this will be based on setting Ground
> Rules and agreeing on the consequences of breaking those rules.
> Unlike a Nazi dictator, the group votes on the rules.

> I wish you guys the best in this group, and I will stay a member so

>
> Michael

> POTA universe implies the presence of an unseen God character.
> Caesar's whole purpose in life was to stop Aldo's Original Sin and
> thereby prevent at the original source the whole chain of events that
> led to the Earth's destruction in BENEATH. God accomplished this not
> by suspending free will (except for Milo maybe) but by sending a
> saviour in the right place at the right time.

> >
> >
> > And Then God sent the world a Saviour...
> > -The Lawgiver

> > The Lawgiver's quote is the whole key to understanding what
> happened in BATTLE. God sent "the world" a saviour, not the apes a
> saviour.

> The Lawgiver's quote also says that the "savior" was "miraculously
> born". This is a misrepresentation of the truth, a kind of lie.
> Sure, "Baby Milo"/"Caesar" is conceived in the 40th Century and born
> in the 20th Century, but only because of the Man-made "miracle" of
> the Timewarp experienced by the Ape-onauts, a "miracle" which happens
> as a result of Taylor's detonation of the Earth-destroying Bomb. Yet
> there was NOTHING truly "miraculous" about Caesar's birth; amazing,
> yes, but NOT a miracle.
>

> name VIRGIL--he symbolizes the wisdom available to anyone, short of
> divine intervention (symbolized by Beatrice).
> But the orangutan Virgil is not a ghost from the distant past, as was
> Dante's guide. And the bombed-out city is NOT a literal Hell--it's
> the SF symbolic equivalent. And when Caesar goes into that Underworld
> to discover the Fate of his own people from the testimony of his dead
> parents (as Aeneas does from his father Anchises' ghost), his parents
> aren't really there, conscious of him and communicating with him:
> only their pre-recorded images and voices are there, on tape.

>
> The ONLY thing which Caesar's community has to go on, they think, is
> HOPE for the Future. Virgil says, at the end, "The greatest danger of
> all is that Danger is never over," to Mandemus, who wants to destroy
> the Guns. And Caesar says, "So we must be patient and wait..." ...and
> we flash forward to the Lawgiver in 2670 A.D., who says: "We still
> wait" but "with hope for the future." Hope. Not DIVINE ASSURANCE.
> Just Hope. Why can't they be SURE that Doomsday won't happen? Because
> God has not eradicated all hatred from the World--the last image we
> see before the camera pans over to the WEEPING statue of Caesar is of
> a boy chimp pulling the ponytail of a girl human, who violently
> pushes him away: they're FIGHTING. Not "play" fighting, like young
> Cornelius and his human friend playing "War"; but REAL fighting. And
> that Doomsday Bomb has NOT been dismantled--it still exists, in
> the "care" of Mendez & Alma, and the community of mutating humans who
> will come to revere it as their God, bringing the Timeline full
> circle to the way things are in BENEATH.

> Are things much better 6 or 7 centuries
> later, when the Lawgiver tells Caesar's story to the 'harmonious'
> Apes and Humans? After 600 years and more... and they STILL are in
> the pre-techno level! There is no evidence of striving for the
> industrial betterment of their meager civilization. It's easy to see
> the situation remaining virtually the same over the course of another
> 400 years, when Zaius and Urko are running the show, actively
> destroying any remnants of "dangerous" human technology (like the
> cache of computers in "The Legacy").

>
> Okay, here's an on topic, non offensive, thread. What do you feel

> Hi everyone,
> I thought it was about time i said hello. I joined this group about

>
> I stuck around and read the posts and am glad to see that they seem

>
> Must say though, I totally agree with the comments made by Alan in

> Hi there,
> I've been lurking on the list for about a month, since I did a

>
> By trade, I'm a marketing scientist, and science fiction is my

>
> Anyway, a few points about your post:
>
>
>
> > POTA universe implies the presence of an unseen God character.

>
> Yup, because free will brought the world to nuclear war and would

>
> > >
> > >
> > > And Then God sent the world a Saviour...
> > > -The Lawgiver
>
> I always liked the "God in his wrath" preamble to this.
>
> > > The Lawgiver's quote is the whole key to understanding what

>
> Without it, it's simply a condensed history lesson. It implies that

>
> > The Lawgiver's quote also says that the "savior"

> That's why Paul Williams plays an orangutan with the name VIRGIL--

>
> I was a little surprised that Armando never mentioned to Caesar

>
> About Virgil, he sure knew about technology, probably one of the

>
> >
> > The ONLY thing which Caesar's community has to go on, they think,

>
> Before I read the backstory about Dehn's script in POTA Revisited,

>
> The Dehn comments, of course, implied that events were completely

> > Are things much better 6 or 7 centuries later, when the Lawgiver

>
> You'd think, but we're only talking about one community from a

>
> Then again, maybe in the Secret Scrolls and his unproven secret

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>



*** Welcome to THE group, Stuart! Not to be a nitpicker about
> spelling... but did you say my POTA films-&-TV timeline
> is "ingenuous"? Did you mean "ingenious", perchance? Just wondering!

I did, but I accidentally hit "cancel" while running the Outlook Express
spellchecker. Apparently the ghost of Aldo was involved, because I
inadvertedly changed POTA to POT a couple of times.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 2:19
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Natalie!
>
>
> I emailed you privately. I'm through with dragging the group through
> this. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Natalie!
>
>
> > So do I what?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 21 November 2002 16:36
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Natalie!
> > >
> > >
> > > But so do you. Beware the beast Apefan, for he is the devil's
> > > pawn. - - -
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Natalie!
> > >
> > >
> > > > You there Jeff?
> > > >
> > > > --- "whitty@..." <whitty@...> wrote:
> > > > > I'l explain privately and you can tell the group if the content of
> > > > > that email could have come from anyone else.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > > You keep insinuating what Rory tells you behind
> closed doors,
> > > > > but you
> > > > > > were wrong about what Ken "said". Whatever. That's between you
> > > > and
> > > > > Rory.
> > > > > > I've already tried to move on and start a new beginning with a
> > > > > post. - - -
> > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:14 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your continuing to publicly comment on it is pointless and, if
> > > > I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > been reading the postings from other members in "your" group
> > > > > > > properly, not wanted (come on guys, tell him...be fair!).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know you're just standing up for your buddy and that is
> > > > > admirable
> > > > > > > (if not misguided - he does not offer the same
> support for you,
> > > > > > > believe me), but, like I said, this, and the previous email,
> > > > don't
> > > > > > > need public forum and I am willing to discuss it privately if
> > > > you
> > > > > are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, if you want to continue the public forum I am also
> > > > > willing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, I won't tell you anything about whether he honors his
> > > > > > > commitment. The only reason I mentioned that was to
> let people
> > > > > know
> > > > > > > that I had nothing to gain, and much to lose (frankly, more
> > > > > > > importantly, what I thought was a friend - and this is the
> > > > > important
> > > > > > > bit that Rory left out of his "choice cuts" and also how
> > > > showing
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > entire post changes things) by showing Rory the door.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > The topic was brought up, I just commented on it.
> I have no
> > > > > > > reason to
> > > > > > > > believe Rory won't honor his commitment. If he doesn't, I'm
> > > > sure
> > > > > > > you'll tell
> > > > > > > > us about it. - - - Jeff
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:26 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl! Ohh! Ohh!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You can bet he'll either just keep them (my bet) or send
> > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > FAR from that.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm over it. I want NOTHING from him.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > $20 is cheap to learn who your friends are.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anyway Jeff, others in your group are suggesting these
> > > > topics
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > dropped and/or taken private. I'm willing, but I imagine
> > > > you
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > be quite offended that someone suggest how you and Rory
> > > > should
> > > > > > > > > run "your" group?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > The entire post doesn't change the sum and
> substance of
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > Rory
> > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > pointing out. I think it's nice that he's honoring his
> > > > > > > commitment;
> > > > > > > > > he could
> > > > > > > > > > just send the tapes and the money back and save a lot of
> > > > > > > effort. - -
> > > > > > > > > - Jeff
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: <whitty@...>
> > > > > > > > > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:01 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Oh Girl!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Censorship Rory? You Nazi!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's see the whole post, and I absolutely don't
> > > > > believe
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > will honur your "deal", because you have already lied
> > > > > > > > > > > about "behaving" yourself in the new group,
> seemingly in
> > > > > > > order to
> > > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > > some shock waves going over there (but, because I had
> > > > the
> > > > > > > insight
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > guess your agenda, your attempts were blocked and you
> > > > were
> > > > > > > thrown
> > > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > on your ass - which is what this is really about).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Stop being a nazi, Rory.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:42 pm
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rory
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this
> > > > group
> > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old
> > > > > group.
> > > > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > warned him that if he tried to cause trouble here he
> > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > banned. After making several posts that were attempts
> > > > to
> > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > flame
> > > > > > > > > > > wars here (because the group is moderated they were
> > > > > deleted
> > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > they could go out to the group as a whole) it was
> > > > decided
> > > > > > > that for
> > > > > > > > > > > the good of the group Rory should be banned.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From: "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...>
> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:56 am
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Let's not dwell on this or it will have the
> effect Rory
> > > > > > > intended -
> > > > > > > > > > > causing off topic bickering and starting
> flame wars. By
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > way,
> > > > > > > > > > > that's a suggestion, not an order.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But let it be known that anyone, including James and
> > > > > myself
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > other moderators (there was a call for another
> > > > moderator
> > > > > form
> > > > > > > > > > > James...anyone want the job?) will suffer the
> same fate
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > decide to cause trouble and/or ignore the ground rules
> > > > > (which
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > why
> > > > > > > > > > > we need to get these down). If you think that makes me
> > > > a
> > > > > nazi
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > control freak or whatever, I'm sorry....I am trying to
> > > > > build a
> > > > > > > > > group
> > > > > > > > > > > that will stay together and be effective (which is why
> > > > I
> > > > > am
> > > > > > > > > > > accumulating as much feedback as possible in order to
> > > > > serve
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > majority, NOT to serve myself).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Let me also say that throwing Rory out of the
> group was
> > > > up
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > the most difficult decisions I have made in
> my life. On
> > > > a
> > > > > > > personal
> > > > > > > > > > > level, he was a friend and I have now dissolved that
> > > > > friendhip
> > > > > > > > > (what
> > > > > > > > > > > kind of friend does that?). On another level, he has
> > > > been
> > > > > > > taping
> > > > > > > > > > > episodes of "the Simpsons" for me and I sent
> him a heap
> > > > > of VHS
> > > > > > > > > tapes
> > > > > > > > > > > and $20 cash for postage that I will never see.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely shattered by this event.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Michael
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> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:37 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Moments in history, etc.

My take on this guys is to get over this shit.  This is ridiculous.  You know I won't fight over this, this AIN'T REAL LIFE, this is what you do for fun.  No more points to be made here. You are destroying the groups.

Mr. Jeff, that was a great post.  Who is MFLUDER or whoever, and is he still around?  What happened to him, do you know?  Did you guys think Roddy really looked so sick in Behind the POTA?  Because I thought he looked wonderful.  Not so much in health, maybe, but so dignified. I thought he was admirable. But I always have, how could I not, when he loved the apes so much?

Kassidy

---

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 5:19
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Breaking Silence
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > I am speaking on behalf of the members in the new group because I
> > have listened to the members of the new group and this is what they
> > have said. I then took it a step further and have tried to offer
> > people what they want...and this will be based on setting Ground
> > Rules and agreeing on the consequences of breaking those rules.
> > Unlike a Nazi dictator, the group votes on the rules.
>
> *** Unlike a Nazi dictator? Hitler was democratically elected, and
> under that "majority rules" society the minority Jews were mass-
> murdered! Unlike Nazi Germany, the U.S.A. is a REPUBLIC, where ALL
> people, even those in the Minority, have EQUAL RIGHTS, and an EQUAL
> SAY in things. Does this "new group" democratically vote to toss out
> the undesirables? I don't think I'd WANT to be in such a group! So,
> if some of the folks in that group joined to get away from my
> (horrors!) lengthy posts, then good riddance! At least HERE they are
> free to put in their 2 cents. When they rub enough of their fellow
> groupers the wrong way, they'll get shown the door, though, it sounds
> like. Then they can come crawling back here where Rory might make fun
> of 'em for a bit, but at least their input will be welcome! Even if
> it is over 100 words long!
>
>
> > I wish you guys the best in this group, and I will stay a member so
> I can continue to post off topic stuff about Eminem etc (which would
> be out of place in the movie emporium group).
> >
> > Michael
>
> *** If you (and all those disenchanted others out there) are so fed
> up with off-topic posts, why be the hypocrite by posting it HERE?! Do
> you think we WANT you to poke your head in here every so often just
> to tell us about Eminem (or whomever/whatever), cluttering up OUR
> group? This is a POTA discussion board, whose members may
> occasionally post off-topic stuff, but if you're gonna be primarily
> devoted to that new group, don't treat this one as your garbage dump
> for off-topic crap. Don't be sighing rapturously about how your new
> group "rocks" because it DOESN'T have off-topic junk in it--junk that
> you STILL want to post, so you intend so HERE. If you're
> predominantly against off-topic stuff, then either stay and post on-
> topic (and you're still welcome to do so--even from ME), or find an
> Eminem Yahoo group to post on.
>
> Patrick
>
>
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>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 5:57
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Silence of the Clams
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > Okay, here's an on topic, non offensive, thread. What do you feel
> are the underlying main themes of the Apes saga? Patrick, please
> allow the others to contribute before laying your Magnum Opus on us.
> It will also give you valuable tying time. Sorry, that may have been
> offensive to Pat. Jump in any time Pratick. Sorry again, that
> misspelling of Particks name was unintentional, but so humorous, at
> least to me, that I decided to explain, rather than correct it.
> Again, I meant no fooence. Ha! I did it again, twice! oh
> well...remember that gal who had no spell checker, it reminds me of
> her posts. Sorry, I'm getting off topic again. Just ignore the
> rest, like Pat's post. Sorry! Sorry Pat. I really do enjoy at
> least 15% of each of your posts.
>
> *** Prior to reading this "thread", I posted a lengthy reply to
> Melkor (I think it was) concerning the "God" who is either present or
> absent in the POTA universe, and I go into plenty of detail regarding
> MY take on the "underlying theme" of the saga. So, consider my input
> put in!
> By the way, T, it's an amazing coincidence that I enjoyed at least
> 15% of THIS post of yours! Will wonders never cease?
> And it isn't fair... it's rather impossible to misspell "T"! As I
> recall, I once called you "LardTZilchO" way back when, but that was
> before we became such great pals. Now you're making fun of me! >Sob!<
> I think I'll hafta pick up my toys and leave and form my OWN Yahoo
> POTA group, like Mikey, in which there will be NO place for those who
> whine like puppies whenever I type a post longer than 100 words...
> except to serve MY ends! See? I can be just as retributive as Caesar
> and Mikey! At least we have Kassidy to be our Lisa: "No! N-n-n-!"
>
> Patrick
>
>
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>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 6:26
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Breaking Silence (as opposed to
> breaking wind)
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "munkeyman63au" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > I thought it was about time i said hello. I joined this group about
> a month ago, right in the middle of the big slanging matches that
> were going on, so I wasn't too sure what I'd stumbled into but
> thought I'd give it a go as Apes has had such a great effect on my
> life since I fell in love with the concept after seeing Escape on the
> big screen as a kid way back in '72.
> >
> > I stuck around and read the posts and am glad to see that they seem
> to be getting almost normal?, so I decided to stay.
> >
> > Must say though, I totally agree with the comments made by Alan in
> an earlier post and I will probably make some enemies straight off by
> revealing that I agree with some of Patrick's theories about the Apes
> (sorry but you'll have to put me into the agreeing with the
> Mothership theory, as It seems to be the one that would be most
> plausible) but hey, thats my choice!
>
> *** And what a SENSIBLE choice it is, Munkeyman!
> Welcome to the POTA group that's worth your while. It's nice to know
> that you agree with "some of" my theories about POTA; feel free to
> disagree with some of the others I cook up, too--hell, I don't mind!
>
> As for the posts "getting almost normal"... geez, I was gone for a
> day or two and there's this shitstorm flying around with Mikey using
> our group as his off-topic outhouse, lauding HIS group as a paragon
> of virtue! Yeesh! Where does Mikey get all the time to continue
> posting garbage to THIS site, when he's got that OTHER site to drool
> over?
>
> Don't let all that hoo-hah get you down, buddy. And don't let all
> that whining about my "lengthy" posts bother you, either; if we were
> to add up all the whiny, pissy, ranty, frothy, interminable dreck
> that cluttered up the last couple of days' posts, then MY single,
> singular posts are short by comparison. After all, at least when I
> post a magnum opus-length message here, it's invariably about POTA,
> or at least a topic which POTA deals with thematically. What WAS the
> point of all those annoying fart-posts coming from "down under"
> during the last couple days? "My group's better than THIS group, nyah
> nyah nyah... because I SAY so! And Rory's mean to me, so INTO THE
> OVENS WITH HIM!"
>
> Or am I interpreting this a tad too blatantly?
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. When I first went through this site (from Post #1 on upward), I
> forgot to adopt a "screen name", as the guy who started this site
> (according to Jeff) recommended. I'm not the type who goes out of his
> way to obscure my identity--in POTA, such hiding behind false
> personae is out of necessity, as when Caesar pretends to be part of a
> shipment of primitive apes, or when Brent heeds Cornelius' advice to
> not speak while near a gorilla. But, had I chosen to adopt a screen
> name, what name would I have picked? One of my favorite POTA
> characters is from MARVEL's "Terror" series: Lightsmith. I'd probably
> have chosen "Lightsmith" for my screen name; but, hell, I've been
> posting as "Patrick" for so long now that there'd be no point in
> changing ways this far into the game.
> Welcome, again, Munkeyman! By the way, your email address
> is "nfoster@" etc. I assume that "Foster" is your last name. What
> might "N" stand for (or would you rather keep it hush hush?)?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 This has to do with the BEHIND Special Edition DVD and the two hour interview
with Roddy on it.  Don't you have that, Kassidio?  If not I can make you a
copy on VHS.  I got a few extra tapes!!!  HA! HA!   Just kidding -- those go
for Simpsons.

-- Rory

No, Rory, I don't have it, haven't seen it.  Mikey won't mind if you use one of his tapes, he likes me. But I'm scared to give you my address, I've heard you are a stalker. 

Patty me boy, you are calling me a chimp with a speech impediment.  Ah well, I've been called worse.

> "N" is for Neil.
>
> He is a Pom living in Australia - tell him about "New America"

> he mentions the cricket score.
>
> Michael
>
> I assume that "Foster" is your last name. What might "N" stand for
> (or would you rather keep it hush hush?)?