> >
> > With all the hubbub over this "new" site, I forgot to mention

>
> Do you work in a toy store?

>
> Guess the movie or series the dialog is from and who said it.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> You've been too much with humans! You like like they do!

>
> You're talking heresy doctor.

>
> Now sedate the animal and get him out of here!

>
> Silence the animal!

>
> But certain young cynics have chosen to study man!

>
> The greatest danger of all is that the danger is never over.

>
> The destruction of our world is now eminent...

>
> The human way is violence and death.

>
> The only good human is a dead human.

>
> He has but one goal, to keep things exactly the way they have

>
> The apes are so much smarter than we are, how could things be any

>
> Is there a soul in there?

>
> NO ALDO NO! (not in BATTLE)

>
> NO KOLP NO!

>
> What's the difference? You're all monkeys.

>
> What do you expect? An apes new suit?

>
> What's the matter he love apes or something?

>
> You're afraid of me and you hate me. Why?

>
> What if one of your officers gets ahold of this knowledge? They

>
> Command post under attack! Repeat, command post under attack!

>
> Does man...still make war against his brother? Keep his neighbors

>
> Alone among God's primates, he hunts for sport, or lust, or greed.

>
> ...he's not responsible for who he is.

>
> When they nominated you for the big one you couldn't turn it down,

>
> And then God in his wrath sent the world a saviour...

>
> For god's sake, wait for the Governor's signal.

>
> My god it's a city of Apes!

>
> Am I obeying God's will or opposing it?

>
> If we knew for certain there is a god and we are going to heaven we

>
> The latest trick is that the email forger is trying to leave false

>
> (Pretty clever trying to frame Patrick for it but you'll have to do

> As much as I like science, I need it presented in the proper

> --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Guess the movie or series the dialog is from and who said it.
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > You've been too much with humans! You lie like they do!
> "The Legacy"; Zako to Galen.
> >
> > You're talking heresy doctor.
> PLANET; Taylor to Zaius.
> >
> > Now sedate the animal and get him out of here!
> CONQUEST; MacDonald to "lousy human bastard"
> >
> > Silence the animal!
> PLANET?; President of Assembly to Bailiff? "Gag the animal!" was the
> line, as I remember it.
> >
> > But certain young cynics have chosen to study man!
> PLANET; Honorius, referring to Zira & Cornelius.
> >
> > The greatest danger of all is that the danger is never over.
> BATTLE; Virgil to Mandemus.
> >
> > The destruction of our world is now eminent...
> "The Legacy"; holographic recording of spokesman for "the Scientists".
> >
> > The human way is violence and death.
> BATTLE; Caesar to MacDonald.
> >
> > The only good human is a dead human.
> BENEATH; Ursus during his speech. Also in script for PLANET, when the
> Hunt Leader reluctantly lets Zira & Lucius go off with their cage-
> wagon & Taylor & Nova.
> >
> > He has but one goal, to keep things exactly the way they have
> always been.
> BENEATH; Zira to Cornelius, about Zaius.
> >
> > The apes are so much smarter than we are, how could things be any
> different?
> "Escape From Tomorrow"; Farrow to Virdon & Burke
> >
> > Is there a soul in there?
> POTA2K; Thade to Marky Mark's tonsils.
> >
> > NO ALDO NO! (not in BATTLE)
> CONQUEST; Lousy Human Bastard to green-uniformed messenger ape, Aldo.
> >
> > NO KOLP NO!
> BATTLE; Lisa to Kolp.
> >
> > What's the difference? You're all monkeys.
> ESCAPE; Bates to Cornelius.
> >
> > What do you expect? An apes new suit?
> PLANET; Lucius to Taylor.
> >
> > What's the matter he love apes or something?
> CONQUEST; Lousy Human Bastard to fellow LHB.
> >
> > You're afraid of me and you hate me. Why?
> PLANET; Taylor to Zaius.
> >
> > What if one of your officers gets ahold of this knowledge? They
> would have the power to destory you. To destroy the world.
> "The Legacy"; Zaius to Urko.
> >
> > Command post under attack! Repeat, command post under attack!
> CONQUEST; Breck to Security Forces outside the CP.
> >
> > Does man...still make war against his brother? Keep his neighbors
> children starving?
> PLANET; Taylor to "you who are reading me now... a different breed..."
> >
> > Alone among God's primates, he hunts for sport, or lust, or greed.
> PLANET; Cornelius, quoting from 29:6 of the Sacred Scrolls.
> >
> > ...he's not responsible for who he is.
> CONQUEST; Breck to Kolp, regarding Caesar.
> >
> > When they nominated you for the big one you couldn't turn it down,
> not without affecting your all-American image.
> PLANET; Taylor to Landon.
> >
> > And then God in his wrath sent the world a saviour...
> BATTLE; The Lawgiver (2670) to his congregation.
> >
> > For god's sake, wait for the Governor's signal.
> BATTLE; Mendez to Alma.
> >
> > My god it's a city of Apes!
> BENEATH; Brent to himself (or Nova).
> >
> > Am I obeying God's will or opposing it?
> ESCAPE; Hasslein to the President.
> >
> > If we knew for certain there is a god and we are going to heaven we
> would all commit suicide in order to enjoy it.
> BATTLE; Mandemus to Caesar, Virgil, & MacDonald.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. "I hate every ape I see... from chimpan-A to chimpan-Z!"
> "The Simpsons"; Troy McClure.

>
> --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > The latest trick is that the email forger is trying to leave false
> clues that Patrick is responsible for them.
> >
> > (Pretty clever trying to frame Patrick for it but you'll have to do
> better than that.)
>
> *** If I were as computer-savvy as this "mutha-forger" is, would I
> have asked James (months ago) kindly to use his know-how to post side-
> by-side pics of the Lawgiver (from BATTLE) and the Lawgiver Statue
> (from PLANET/BENEATH)? There are things that I know how to do, and
> there are plenty of things I do NOT know how to do. I know how to
> POST on this site, and how to get to search engines to look up
> interesting sites--things like that. But IF I had the ability to
> sabotage Yahoo groups, why the f*ck would I harm THIS one--the ONLY
> one which is worth posting to? (I'm not including the "Friends &
> Fugitives" POTA TV site, BTW; we ALL know what "other" site I'm
> referring to!)
> It seems to me that SOMEBODY who dislikes me intensely would have the
> motive to harm this site AND to try to frame ME for it! Hmmm... I
> wonder who it might be... Whom have I been rather critical of, of
> late? Hmmm...
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>
>

--- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
>
> Not bad. Isn't the first one from "The Trap" though?
>
> Anyone else want to do some?
>
>
> > --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Guess the movie or series the dialog is from and who said it.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
-
> > >
> > > You've been too much with humans! You lie like they do!
> > "The Legacy"; Zako to Galen.

--- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
>
> Received: from PatrickTilton (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com
[24.29.148.72])
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> To: <Potadg@y...
> From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:51:25 -0500
>
> The earlier ones had "LCARS" instead of "PatrickTilton"
>
> Received: from LCARS (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com [24.29.148.72])
>
>
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> > >
> > > The latest trick is that the email forger is trying to leave
false
> > clues that Patrick is responsible for them.
> > >
> > > (Pretty clever trying to frame Patrick for it but you'll have
to do
> > better than that.)
> >
> > *** If I were as computer-savvy as this "mutha-forger" is, would
I
> > have asked James (months ago) kindly to use his know-how to post
side-
> > by-side pics of the Lawgiver (from BATTLE) and the Lawgiver
Statue
> > (from PLANET/BENEATH)? There are things that I know how to do,
and
> > there are plenty of things I do NOT know how to do. I know how to
> > POST on this site, and how to get to search engines to look up
> > interesting sites--things like that. But IF I had the ability to
> > sabotage Yahoo groups, why the f*ck would I harm THIS one--the
ONLY
> > one which is worth posting to? (I'm not including the "Friends &
> > Fugitives" POTA TV site, BTW; we ALL know what "other" site I'm
> > referring to!)
> > It seems to me that SOMEBODY who dislikes me intensely would have
the
> > motive to harm this site AND to try to frame ME for it! Hmmm... I
> > wonder who it might be... Whom have I been rather critical of, of
> > late? Hmmm...
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

----- Original  Message -----

From: patrickmichaeltilton

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:37 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Solar Sail

--- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> > "flub" gremlins, which seem to stem from Serling's imperfect
> > understanding of Einsteinian Relativity--which Boulle understood
> > perfectly, as his book's 2nd chapter shows.
> >
> > Patrick
>
> The spaceship with a "solar sail" in Boulle's book was nonsense.

*** Why do you think so? The principle of using sunlight pressure to
propel an interplanetary vehicle is a sound one. Robert Forward's
novel "ROCHEWORLD", first published as "FLIGHT OF THE DRAGONFLY" (as
I recall the title), utilizes a variant of this concept. Sunlight,
comprised of photons, is a valid "fuel" for propelling a "solar sail"
vessel, since photons--although they do NOT have mass--DO have
momentum, and it is the momentum of a photon which can be used
to "push" against a solar sail.
The only "nonsense" part of Jinn's ship is that such a propulsion
source could achieve "a furious velocity" which could make
Phyllis "quite dizzy" and cause him to be "overcome by vertigo"; the
rate of acceleration of a light-propelled solar sail is ever so
small, but even a miniscule acceleration--if it is constant--will
build and build and build... to the point where the eventual velocity
of the ship can be extraordinary. Boulle gives the impression that
such a "furious velocity" is achieved with ease and rapidity, which
is untrue--but the concept of the solar sail IS a sound one. Boulle
was ahead of the pack of other SF authors on this one.

Patrick



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> ...what about
> Zako? What does HE end up doing about the knowledge he acquires?
> Ripping up the poster might prevent another gorilla from seeing

> but HE won't be able to forget what he saw.

> *** So, does this mean that James is the culprit? And what
> does "LCARS" stand for? "Lying Cocksucker from Aussie Retard's Site"?
> For all their posturing about being fed up with "flames", well, at
> least a harsh comment on this site prior to their splintering off was
> attributable to somebody. This covert hacker/cracker/spammer bullshit
> shows just how nazified that bunch of mutants really is.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. Too bad we don't have an Authenticator to put them through.
> To "make them tell the truth". I don't have anything to hide.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Received: from PatrickTilton (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com
> [24.29.148.72])
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > To: <Potadg@y...
> > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:51:25 -0500
> >
> > The earlier ones had "LCARS" instead of "PatrickTilton"
> >
> > Received: from LCARS (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com [24.29.148.72])

>
> No James probably didn't do it even though all the messages came

> his mail server. It was probably a cracker/hacker who found out

> lists and names on the lists from reading James email and knows a

> about POTA. No idea who "LCARS" is (maybe the cracker).
>
> Here's what I think.
>
> James didn't do it.
> Rory didn't do it.
> Michael didn't do it.
> Patrick didn't do it.
>
> Jeff DID IT!!!!! Just kidding, Jeff didn't do it either.
>
>
> > *** So, does this mean that James is the culprit? And what
> > does "LCARS" stand for? "Lying Cocksucker from Aussie Retard's

> > For all their posturing about being fed up with "flames", well,

> > least a harsh comment on this site prior to their splintering off

> > attributable to somebody. This covert hacker/cracker/spammer

> > shows just how nazified that bunch of mutants really is.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > P.S. Too bad we don't have an Authenticator to put them through.
> > To "make them tell the truth". I don't have anything to hide.
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Received: from PatrickTilton (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com
> > [24.29.148.72])
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > To: <Potadg@y...
> > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:51:25 -0500
> > >
> > > The earlier ones had "LCARS" instead of "PatrickTilton"
> > >
> > > Received: from LCARS (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com [24.29.148.72])
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Melkor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:09 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: email forger update #2

No James probably didn't do it even though all the messages came through
his mail server.  It was probably a cracker/hacker who found out about the
lists and names on the lists from reading James email and knows a little bit
about POTA.  No idea who "LCARS" is (maybe the cracker).

Here's what I think.

James didn't do it.
Rory didn't do it.
Michael didn't do it.
Patrick didn't do it.

Jeff DID IT!!!!!  Just kidding, Jeff didn't do it either.


> *** So, does this mean that James is the culprit? And what
> does "LCARS" stand for? "Lying Cocksucker from Aussie Retard's Site"?
> For all their posturing about being fed up with "flames", well, at
> least a harsh comment on this site prior to their splintering off was
> attributable to somebody. This covert hacker/cracker/spammer bullshit
> shows just how nazified that bunch of mutants really is.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. Too bad we don't have an Authenticator to put them through.
> To "make them tell the truth". I don't have anything to hide.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> >   Received: from PatrickTilton (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com
> [24.29.148.72])
> >                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >   To: <Potadg@y...
> >   From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> >   Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:51:25 -0500
> >
> > The earlier ones had "LCARS" instead of "PatrickTilton"
> >
> >   Received: from LCARS (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com [24.29.148.72])



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----- Original Message -----

From: Melkor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:09 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: email forger update #2

No James probably didn't do it even though all the messages came through
his mail server.  It was probably a cracker/hacker who found out about the
lists and names on the lists from reading James email and knows a little bit
about POTA.  No idea who "LCARS" is (maybe the cracker).

Here's what I think.

James didn't do it.
Rory didn't do it.
Michael didn't do it.
Patrick didn't do it.

Jeff DID IT!!!!!  Just kidding, Jeff didn't do it either.


> *** So, does this mean that James is the culprit? And what
> does "LCARS" stand for? "Lying Cocksucker from Aussie Retard's Site"?
> For all their posturing about being fed up with "flames", well, at
> least a harsh comment on this site prior to their splintering off was
> attributable to somebody. This covert hacker/cracker/spammer bullshit
> shows just how nazified that bunch of mutants really is.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. Too bad we don't have an Authenticator to put them through.
> To "make them tell the truth". I don't have anything to hide.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> >   Received: from PatrickTilton (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com
> [24.29.148.72])
> >                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >   To: <Potadg@y...
> >   From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> >   Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:51:25 -0500
> >
> > The earlier ones had "LCARS" instead of "PatrickTilton"
> >
> >   Received: from LCARS (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com [24.29.148.72])



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> Yes, I did do it. I finally pushed James over the edge and turned

> o a psychotic e-mail hacker/forger. Naw, I never believed he did

> way, where is the darling forger these days? You can't invade my e-

> nymore, you creep! HAHAHA! VIOLATE ME IF YOU CAN. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Melkor
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: email forger update #2
>
>
>
> No James probably didn't do it even though all the messages came

>
> his mail server. It was probably a cracker/hacker who found out

> e
> lists and names on the lists from reading James email and knows a

> bit
> about POTA. No idea who "LCARS" is (maybe the cracker).
>
> Here's what I think.
>
> James didn't do it.
> Rory didn't do it.
> Michael didn't do it.
> Patrick didn't do it.
>
> Jeff DID IT!!!!! Just kidding, Jeff didn't do it either.
>
>
> > *** So, does this mean that James is the culprit? And what
> > does "LCARS" stand for? "Lying Cocksucker from Aussie Retard's

> > For all their posturing about being fed up with "flames", well,

> > least a harsh comment on this site prior to their splintering

> > attributable to somebody. This covert hacker/cracker/spammer

> > shows just how nazified that bunch of mutants really is.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > P.S. Too bad we don't have an Authenticator to put them

> > To "make them tell the truth". I don't have anything to hide.
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Received: from PatrickTilton (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com
> > [24.29.148.72])
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > To: <Potadg@y...
> > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:51:25 -0500
> > >
> > > The earlier ones had "LCARS" instead of "PatrickTilton"
> > >
> > > Received: from LCARS (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

>

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 7:49 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Let's give thanks for POTA!

  OK, we gotta get this group back up to speed. I'm going to start a daily dose of group history (when possible) and dip into the (unpublished) "Ape Chronicles" archive, to help spur some talk. First up will be the transcript for the 30th anniversary Starcon panel, moderated by Eric Greene and featuring Linda Harrison, Ron Harper, Buck Kartalian, Jeff Corey and Don Pedro Colley. See you then. - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Melkor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:09 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: email forger update #2

No James probably didn't do it even though all the messages came through
his mail server.  It was probably a cracker/hacker who found out about the
lists and names on the lists from reading James email and knows a little bit
about POTA.  No idea who "LCARS" is (maybe the cracker).

Here's what I think.

James didn't do it.
Rory didn't do it.
Michael didn't do it.
Patrick didn't do it.

Jeff DID IT!!!!!  Just kidding, Jeff didn't do it either.


> *** So, does this mean that James is the culprit? And what
> does "LCARS" stand for? "Lying Cocksucker from Aussie Retard's Site"?
> For all their posturing about being fed up with "flames", well, at
> least a harsh comment on this site prior to their splintering off was
> attributable to somebody. This covert hacker/cracker/spammer bullshit
> shows just how nazified that bunch of mutants really is.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. Too bad we don't have an Authenticator to put them through.
> To "make them tell the truth". I don't have anything to hide.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> >   Received: from PatrickTilton (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com
> [24.29.148.72])
> >                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >   To: <Potadg@y...
> >   From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> >   Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:51:25 -0500
> >
> > The earlier ones had "LCARS" instead of "PatrickTilton"
> >
> >   Received: from LCARS (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com [24.29.148.72])



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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 7:49 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Let's give thanks for POTA!

  OK, we gotta get this group back up to speed. I'm going to start a daily dose of group history (when possible) and dip into the (unpublished) "Ape Chronicles" archive, to help spur some talk. First up will be the transcript for the 30th anniversary Starcon panel, moderated by Eric Greene and featuring Linda Harrison, Ron Harper, Buck Kartalian, Jeff Corey and Don Pedro Colley. See you then. - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Melkor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:09 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: email forger update #2

No James probably didn't do it even though all the messages came through
his mail server.  It was probably a cracker/hacker who found out about the
lists and names on the lists from reading James email and knows a little bit
about POTA.  No idea who "LCARS" is (maybe the cracker).

Here's what I think.

James didn't do it.
Rory didn't do it.
Michael didn't do it.
Patrick didn't do it.

Jeff DID IT!!!!!  Just kidding, Jeff didn't do it either.


> *** So, does this mean that James is the culprit? And what
> does "LCARS" stand for? "Lying Cocksucker from Aussie Retard's Site"?
> For all their posturing about being fed up with "flames", well, at
> least a harsh comment on this site prior to their splintering off was
> attributable to somebody. This covert hacker/cracker/spammer bullshit
> shows just how nazified that bunch of mutants really is.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. Too bad we don't have an Authenticator to put them through.
> To "make them tell the truth". I don't have anything to hide.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> >   Received: from PatrickTilton (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com
> [24.29.148.72])
> >                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >   To: <Potadg@y...
> >   From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> >   Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:51:25 -0500
> >
> > The earlier ones had "LCARS" instead of "PatrickTilton"
> >
> >   Received: from LCARS (24-29-148-72.nyc.rr.com [24.29.148.72])



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 Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and keep it POTA!  I think it is great you are planning on continuing Ape Chronicles.  Were the magazines really good?  I've got Simian Scrolls, but none of the Chronicles.

Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm not a Nazi.  Remember my comment re: you calling me a chimp with a speech impediment?  You called me Lisa, remember, that's what that was in response to.

On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of the Rod Serling POTA TV scripts from Epilogue Journal #9.  Anybody wants to see it, I'll be happy to put it up in files over here, too.

Happy Thanksgiving to you guys!  If ever there was a BUNCH OF TURKEYS who needed good wishes, you are IT! 

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 7:24 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon panel, etc.

 Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and keep it POTA!  I think it is great you are planning on continuing Ape Chronicles.  Were the magazines really good?  I've got Simian Scrolls, but none of the Chronicles.

Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm not a Nazi.  Remember my comment re: you calling me a chimp with a speech impediment?  You called me Lisa, remember, that's what that was in response to.

On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of the Rod Serling POTA TV scripts from Epilogue Journal #9.  Anybody wants to see it, I'll be happy to put it up in files over here, too.

Happy Thanksgiving to you guys!  If ever there was a BUNCH OF TURKEYS who needed good wishes, you are IT! 

Kassidy

---

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Let's give thanks for POTA!

In a message dated 11/27/02 10:47:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  OK, we gotta get this group back up to speed. I'm going to start a daily dose of group history (when possible) and dip into the (unpublished) "Ape Chronicles" archive, to help spur some talk. First up will be the transcript for the 30th anniversary Starcon panel, moderated by Eric Greene and featuring Linda Harrison, Ron Harper, Buck Kartalian, Jeff Corey and Don Pedro Colley. See you then. - - - Jeff

I think we missed the celebration of the date in November when you lost your cherry to the APES in 1973, eh Jeff?

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 7:24 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon panel, etc.

 Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and keep it POTA!  I think it is great you are planning on continuing Ape Chronicles.  Were the magazines really good?  I've got Simian Scrolls, but none of the Chronicles.

Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm not a Nazi.  Remember my comment re: you calling me a chimp with a speech impediment?  You called me Lisa, remember, that's what that was in response to.

On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of the Rod Serling POTA TV scripts from Epilogue Journal #9.  Anybody wants to see it, I'll be happy to put it up in files over here, too.

Happy Thanksgiving to you guys!  If ever there was a BUNCH OF TURKEYS who needed good wishes, you are IT! 

Kassidy

---

> In a message dated 11/28/02 4:11:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > we really don't need turkey day!
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, you got enough turkeys down under!
>

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:19 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon panel, etc.

  Hi Kass- - -

 

  Happy Thanksgiving. I guess "Ape Chronicles" was good for it's time but there's been so much about POTA since that it has a lot of competition. But I have all 4 of the unused TV show scripts and we published them in "Chronicles", none of that synopsis stuff. Everyone have a good day, even those outside the US, who have to work? - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 7:24 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon panel, etc.

 Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and keep it POTA!  I think it is great you are planning on continuing Ape Chronicles.  Were the magazines really good?  I've got Simian Scrolls, but none of the Chronicles.

Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm not a Nazi.  Remember my comment re: you calling me a chimp with a speech impediment?  You called me Lisa, remember, that's what that was in response to.

On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of the Rod Serling POTA TV scripts from Epilogue Journal #9.  Anybody wants to see it, I'll be happy to put it up in files over here, too.

Happy Thanksgiving to you guys!  If ever there was a BUNCH OF TURKEYS who needed good wishes, you are IT! 

Kassidy

---

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:19 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon panel, etc.

  Hi Kass- - -

 

  Happy Thanksgiving. I guess "Ape Chronicles" was good for it's time but there's been so much about POTA since that it has a lot of competition. But I have all 4 of the unused TV show scripts and we published them in "Chronicles", none of that synopsis stuff. Everyone have a good day, even those outside the US, who have to work? - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 7:24 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon panel, etc.

 Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and keep it POTA!  I think it is great you are planning on continuing Ape Chronicles.  Were the magazines really good?  I've got Simian Scrolls, but none of the Chronicles.

Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm not a Nazi.  Remember my comment re: you calling me a chimp with a speech impediment?  You called me Lisa, remember, that's what that was in response to.

On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of the Rod Serling POTA TV scripts from Epilogue Journal #9.  Anybody wants to see it, I'll be happy to put it up in files over here, too.

Happy Thanksgiving to you guys!  If ever there was a BUNCH OF TURKEYS who needed good wishes, you are IT! 

Kassidy

---

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 12:32 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A proposal

I have a proposal. . . .

I propose the this POTA group be dissolved and we all move into the new group, that is if Michael Whitty will let us.  I don't like that there's two groups.  If Whitty let's us in, then I promise not to be such a wise-ass anymore.

However, there are two conditions:  1.) That Patrick be allowed to join and post as long a message as he wants, so long as it's relevant to POTA.  In return for that I'll put up with whatever censoring is done to my posts.  2.) That the poster displayed on the new group home page -- the dreaded 30th Anniversary Fox spoiler image, that I don't want to see on a new 5-Star DVD (I hope!) -- be removed and replaced with the 1-sheet from the original movie, or anything except what's there now.

OK, so what have you got to say, Whitty?

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A proposal

I have a proposal. . . .

I don't like having two groups either, however I don't like the idea of you knuckling under to Michael either.  I consider this the original group.  And I never liked the I idea of starting a new group just because Pat posted some long posts, or because you started a few flame wars, or because I occasionally strayed of topic.  If they wanted to cut down on their email load they could have easily switched to digest.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 12:32 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A proposal

I have a proposal. . . .

I propose the this POTA group be dissolved and we all move into the new group, that is if Michael Whitty will let us.  I don't like that there's two groups.  If Whitty let's us in, then I promise not to be such a wise-ass anymore.

However, there are two conditions:  1.) That Patrick be allowed to join and post as long a message as he wants, so long as it's relevant to POTA.  In return for that I'll put up with whatever censoring is done to my posts.  2.) That the poster displayed on the new group home page -- the dreaded 30th Anniversary Fox spoiler image, that I don't want to see on a new 5-Star DVD (I hope!) -- be removed and replaced with the 1-sheet from the original movie, or anything except what's there now.

OK, so what have you got to say, Whitty?

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:44 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] 11/29/02: Today in Group History

  11/29/98: Steve Temple wonders why Taylor isn't curious that the apes speak English; Reece responds that it "emphasized the dream-like, surreal and allegorical side of POTA, more than the purist "Sci-Fi/keep the facts straight" style. Maybe Taylor took the expression "English is the universal language" literally!"; Also, Phillip Noble gets into the authorship of the original, saying that Michael Wilson was more responsible for the final film than Serling; and it's mentioned that the current issue of "Modeler's Resource" (#25) has an article on 2 Icarus models (an interior and the one sticking out of the water).

 

 11/29/99: Brian of "Apemania" notes the disappointment over the recent Hasbro action figures and says he wants to go to the fans for input over Apemania's upcoming POTA masks.

 

 11/29/01: Jeff reports "The Grinch" made $145 million on DVD and VHS, while POTA2001 made $80 million on DVD their first week on video.

 

                                                   - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:19 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon panel, etc.

  Hi Kass- - -

 

  Happy Thanksgiving. I guess "Ape Chronicles" was good for it's time but there's been so much about POTA since that it has a lot of competition. But I have all 4 of the unused TV show scripts and we published them in "Chronicles", none of that synopsis stuff. Everyone have a good day, even those outside the US, who have to work? - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 7:24 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon panel, etc.

 Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and keep it POTA!  I think it is great you are planning on continuing Ape Chronicles.  Were the magazines really good?  I've got Simian Scrolls, but none of the Chronicles.

Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm not a Nazi.  Remember my comment re: you calling me a chimp with a speech impediment?  You called me Lisa, remember, that's what that was in response to.

On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of the Rod Serling POTA TV scripts from Epilogue Journal #9.  Anybody wants to see it, I'll be happy to put it up in files over here, too.

Happy Thanksgiving to you guys!  If ever there was a BUNCH OF TURKEYS who needed good wishes, you are IT! 

Kassidy

---

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:34 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] '98 Starcon Panel, pt. 2

ERIC: Let's move along chronologically to the second "Apes" film, "Beneath the POTA". And we have with us Don Pedro Colley, right here to my left, and Jeff Corey, two distinguished actors who played two of the mutant humans that lived in the remains of New York City and had rather extraordinary telepathic powers. If you both could start by just describing how you came into the whole "Apes" scene and how you approached these characters...

 

 JEFF: Without turning this into a religious seminar, I think there was a Biblical paradigm. In the Old Testament, it is said God looked down and was so displeased, but Noah walked with God. There was only one person who could take the religious path. (God) went and destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. God retires if you don't deserve it. I think the parable is in all the POTA and in archetypes of conditions today, that we damn well prove that we don't deserve to be in this glorious place. So that was a wonderful Biblical message that was emanating from this remarkable play. I'm so glad my friend Michael Wilson, who wrote the original play and also posthumously won Oscars for "River Kwai" and "Lawrence of Arabia", I feel it's important to mention that about Mike.

 

  DON PEDRO: I also in that period was coming along, it was my very first feature and here I am co-starring at 20th Century-Fox, I had arrived in Hollywood. And having seen POTA and realizing the cerebral message in it, that it was very viable in that we had destroyed the planet and the next evolution in the planet was the apes had learned from us how to communicate verbally and with sign language and so forth. They were the survivors because the humans had destroyed themselves and they had taken over. And it was such a viable, interesting idea that here we are as the last of the humans, that have hidden away in these caves for centuries and centuries and we're unable to live on the surface because, as you saw in the movie, we peeled off our faces and actually showed that we were barely human ourselves. We worshipped this huge phallic symbol that came up out of the floor, which was the cobalt bomb. It was exciting to work in a science-fiction area that was so possible. Here we are already at the next millenia. What is it? A couple years will be the year 2000? When we were kids 2000 was like, that was science-fiction itself, but here we are.

  I was just very, very pleased that they decided to use me in a way that was apolitical. I've had so many of you fans, wonderful fans, come up and tell me, "Oh man! When I saw that, you scared the bejeezus out of me. (laughs) Well, OK. That was fine with me, you remembered it. But you got the message out of it, too. And secondly, the great thrill of working with Mr. Jeff Corey, whom I have admired many, many years, and his trials that he went through as part of our business (the blacklisting). He represents the whole body of what we are as actors and actresses. And other people that we had great fun with, like Victor Buono was in there. And he was a wonderful, wild guy. And Arthur Jacobs, who produced it, he and I became friends, and it was just an exciting time. And all the film inventions we had, like the foam, rubberized stuff in the interior, that was new to the industry, camera techniques were new, working with telepathic (characters), that was new; just being on the cutting edge. That was really exciting.

 

  TO BE CONTINUED...                - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:19 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon panel, etc.

  Hi Kass- - -

 

  Happy Thanksgiving. I guess "Ape Chronicles" was good for it's time but there's been so much about POTA since that it has a lot of competition. But I have all 4 of the unused TV show scripts and we published them in "Chronicles", none of that synopsis stuff. Everyone have a good day, even those outside the US, who have to work? - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 7:24 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon panel, etc.

 Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and keep it POTA!  I think it is great you are planning on continuing Ape Chronicles.  Were the magazines really good?  I've got Simian Scrolls, but none of the Chronicles.

Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm not a Nazi.  Remember my comment re: you calling me a chimp with a speech impediment?  You called me Lisa, remember, that's what that was in response to.

On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of the Rod Serling POTA TV scripts from Epilogue Journal #9.  Anybody wants to see it, I'll be happy to put it up in files over here, too.

Happy Thanksgiving to you guys!  If ever there was a BUNCH OF TURKEYS who needed good wishes, you are IT! 

Kassidy

---

>
>
> Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and

> Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm

> On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of

> Happy Thanksgiving to you guys! If ever there was a BUNCH OF

> Kassidy

> In a message dated 11/28/02 12:50:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
>
> > On Nov. 16 I watched "Escape" to celebrate but I didn't bring it

> > Jeff
> >
> >
>
> D'Oh!!!!

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 3:51 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] T's proposal

In a message dated 11/30/02 3:00:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

WHY DON'T YOU GUYS ADMIT THE "OLD" GROUP HAS BEEN DEAD FOR A LONG TIME AND THAT IS NOT MY FAULT?  IF YOU WANT TO BLAME SOMEBODY, NAIL A FULL LENGTH MIRROR TO THE ROOF ABOVE THE BED SO YOU CAN WAKE UP AND TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

Michael

Okay, Michael.   Well, if this group is dead then why don't you let us rest in peace?  (What WAS I thinking?)

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

----- Original Message -----

From: patrickmichaeltilton

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:28 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy as "Lisa", Turkeys and Fascism

--- In pota@y..., Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
>
> 
>  Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and
keep it POTA!  I think it is great you are planning on continuing Ape
Chronicles.  Were the magazines really good?  I've got Simian
Scrolls, but none of the Chronicles.
> Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm
not a Nazi.  Remember my comment re: you calling me a chimp with a
speech impediment?  You called me Lisa, remember, that's what that
was in response to.
> On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of
the Rod Serling POTA TV scripts from Epilogue Journal #9.  Anybody
wants to see it, I'll be happy to put it up in files over here, too.
> Happy Thanksgiving to you guys!  If ever there was a BUNCH OF
TURKEYS who needed good wishes, you are IT! 
> Kassidy

*** Kassie, me goil (as Archie Bunker would pronounce it), please
take my criticisms of the "other" group as being directed at the ones
in charge of it, rather than those who enjoy being members who get to
post comments on POTA on that site. Remember, one person in THIS
group (Rory) doesn't have that privilege and has been "banished to
the Forbidden Zone"--to use Michael's term. As I mentioned, oh, a
week ago or so, such power to censor content and to evict members
smacks of the same sorts of fascist tactics that made Nazi Germany a
system to be decried. As far as I can tell, that decision was NOT put
to a vote in that "democratic" group--did YOU get to participate in
the decision to kick Rory out, Kassidy? Or did Michael do it all by
himself, and then justify it by trotting out some past grievance he
had (the Simpsons tapes issue)?
It still bugs me that a POTA fan (as Michael presumably is) could
ever condone--let alone PERPETRATE--such dictatorial use of power.
And now I find that some jerk out there is forging e-mails and trying
to frame ME for it! I wish I didn't have to say this, but I gotta: I
wouldn't put it past Michael (or one of his cronies) to do such a
thing. If you'll peruse this site's more recent messages (around
#25230 or so), you'll see one by Michael where he isn't above forging
a "flame" message with MY name on it, followed by a reference
to "patriciamichelletitty" or something like that.

In regards to me referring to you as Lisa, it was NOT to imply that
you had a speech impediment! Sure, I quoted what sounds like a
stuttering bit of dialogue, Lisa's ONLY dialogue in CONQUEST... but
it was a word ("No!") which indicated her sensible objection towards
Caesar's incendiary speech regarding the harsh plans he has for the
Human race's future. The reason that I don't mind the "tacked-on"
ending to CONQUEST is that it is Lisa who "soothes the savage beast"
in Caesar's heart--an ex-slave who justifies the urge to punish his
persecutors... it takes a protest from a fellow ex-slave whom he
loves to get him to back off from his nastiness: "But NOW... now we
will put down our weapons..."
So, Kassidy, do you not see that I was giving you the most glowing of
compliments that one POTA fan could ever give to another (female)
POTA fan? In my mind, not even Zira is as "good" a person as Lisa.
Zira, despite seeing the end-result of Armed Conflict when she saw
the rim of the Earth melt, still harbors an unsettling racial
animosity towards gorillas and orangutans (this, despite having
worked side-by-side with a gorilla named Julius, who wasn't like the
militant Ursus); but Lisa, who has a pained look on her face when she
sees the weapons of war being prepared in Caesar's basement meeting-
place, it is SHE who is the first ape to say "No!", but NOT to a
Human--she says it to the Apes' "savior", Caesar. If not for her
intervention, how much more rotten would be the status of humans in
BATTLE, some 27 years later? Caesar's heart softens towards humans
because of his love of Lisa, who probably couldn't love him if he
were to maintain his zealous anti-human attitude he displayed in his
fiery speech.
Unlike Alma, who is an "enabler" of Kolp's pro-war mindset, Lisa goes
out of her way to question Caesar's growing plans for war, pointing
out that if the Humans in the Forbidden City fired upon him it was
probably because they were defending their own territory from armed
invaders. Caesar thinks they are "mad" due to their radiation-caused
Mutant "malformed" condition... and Lisa points out that the "freaks
in [his] foster-father's circus" were "malformed" too--does that make
THEM "mad", too?
Now, had I referred to you as "Carsia", THEN I could see you taking
such a comparison as an insult!

Patrick (who was told in explicit terms that I would NOT be welcome
in that "new" group which extolls Democratic values and
dislikes "flames") Tilton
EARTH-TIME 11-30-2002

P.S. Thanks for the Thanksgiving Day mixed blessing! Damn, I ate way
too much. Hope your Turkey Day was just as good!






Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

----- Original Message -----

From: patrickmichaeltilton

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:28 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy as "Lisa", Turkeys and Fascism

--- In pota@y..., Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
>
> 
>  Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and
keep it POTA!  I think it is great you are planning on continuing Ape
Chronicles.  Were the magazines really good?  I've got Simian
Scrolls, but none of the Chronicles.
> Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm
not a Nazi.  Remember my comment re: you calling me a chimp with a
speech impediment?  You called me Lisa, remember, that's what that
was in response to.
> On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of
the Rod Serling POTA TV scripts from Epilogue Journal #9.  Anybody
wants to see it, I'll be happy to put it up in files over here, too.
> Happy Thanksgiving to you guys!  If ever there was a BUNCH OF
TURKEYS who needed good wishes, you are IT! 
> Kassidy

*** Kassie, me goil (as Archie Bunker would pronounce it), please
take my criticisms of the "other" group as being directed at the ones
in charge of it, rather than those who enjoy being members who get to
post comments on POTA on that site. Remember, one person in THIS
group (Rory) doesn't have that privilege and has been "banished to
the Forbidden Zone"--to use Michael's term. As I mentioned, oh, a
week ago or so, such power to censor content and to evict members
smacks of the same sorts of fascist tactics that made Nazi Germany a
system to be decried. As far as I can tell, that decision was NOT put
to a vote in that "democratic" group--did YOU get to participate in
the decision to kick Rory out, Kassidy? Or did Michael do it all by
himself, and then justify it by trotting out some past grievance he
had (the Simpsons tapes issue)?
It still bugs me that a POTA fan (as Michael presumably is) could
ever condone--let alone PERPETRATE--such dictatorial use of power.
And now I find that some jerk out there is forging e-mails and trying
to frame ME for it! I wish I didn't have to say this, but I gotta: I
wouldn't put it past Michael (or one of his cronies) to do such a
thing. If you'll peruse this site's more recent messages (around
#25230 or so), you'll see one by Michael where he isn't above forging
a "flame" message with MY name on it, followed by a reference
to "patriciamichelletitty" or something like that.

In regards to me referring to you as Lisa, it was NOT to imply that
you had a speech impediment! Sure, I quoted what sounds like a
stuttering bit of dialogue, Lisa's ONLY dialogue in CONQUEST... but
it was a word ("No!") which indicated her sensible objection towards
Caesar's incendiary speech regarding the harsh plans he has for the
Human race's future. The reason that I don't mind the "tacked-on"
ending to CONQUEST is that it is Lisa who "soothes the savage beast"
in Caesar's heart--an ex-slave who justifies the urge to punish his
persecutors... it takes a protest from a fellow ex-slave whom he
loves to get him to back off from his nastiness: "But NOW... now we
will put down our weapons..."
So, Kassidy, do you not see that I was giving you the most glowing of
compliments that one POTA fan could ever give to another (female)
POTA fan? In my mind, not even Zira is as "good" a person as Lisa.
Zira, despite seeing the end-result of Armed Conflict when she saw
the rim of the Earth melt, still harbors an unsettling racial
animosity towards gorillas and orangutans (this, despite having
worked side-by-side with a gorilla named Julius, who wasn't like the
militant Ursus); but Lisa, who has a pained look on her face when she
sees the weapons of war being prepared in Caesar's basement meeting-
place, it is SHE who is the first ape to say "No!", but NOT to a
Human--she says it to the Apes' "savior", Caesar. If not for her
intervention, how much more rotten would be the status of humans in
BATTLE, some 27 years later? Caesar's heart softens towards humans
because of his love of Lisa, who probably couldn't love him if he
were to maintain his zealous anti-human attitude he displayed in his
fiery speech.
Unlike Alma, who is an "enabler" of Kolp's pro-war mindset, Lisa goes
out of her way to question Caesar's growing plans for war, pointing
out that if the Humans in the Forbidden City fired upon him it was
probably because they were defending their own territory from armed
invaders. Caesar thinks they are "mad" due to their radiation-caused
Mutant "malformed" condition... and Lisa points out that the "freaks
in [his] foster-father's circus" were "malformed" too--does that make
THEM "mad", too?
Now, had I referred to you as "Carsia", THEN I could see you taking
such a comparison as an insult!

Patrick (who was told in explicit terms that I would NOT be welcome
in that "new" group which extolls Democratic values and
dislikes "flames") Tilton
EARTH-TIME 11-30-2002

P.S. Thanks for the Thanksgiving Day mixed blessing! Damn, I ate way
too much. Hope your Turkey Day was just as good!






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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 1:05 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] What is really sadly amusing

What's sadly amusing is your pathetic "us and them" attitude Jeff, and the way you controlled Rory yesterday when he was trying to make peace and move on.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 December 2002 4:06
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy as "Lisa", Turkeys and Fascism

  What's sadly amusing is that certain people in the "new" group feel they have left the "uglies" and "piranhas" behind, but if you'll notice, there's no flame wars here now. It wasn't the group, it was the people in it and some of those people are gone now. So which are the hypocrites? This group is actually kind of relaxing now. Zzzzzzzz...                - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: patrickmichaeltilton

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:28 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy as "Lisa", Turkeys and Fascism

--- In pota@y..., Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
>
> 
>  Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and
keep it POTA!  I think it is great you are planning on continuing Ape
Chronicles.  Were the magazines really good?  I've got Simian
Scrolls, but none of the Chronicles.
> Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm
not a Nazi.  Remember my comment re: you calling me a chimp with a
speech impediment?  You called me Lisa, remember, that's what that
was in response to.
> On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of
the Rod Serling POTA TV scripts from Epilogue Journal #9.  Anybody
wants to see it, I'll be happy to put it up in files over here, too.
> Happy Thanksgiving to you guys!  If ever there was a BUNCH OF
TURKEYS who needed good wishes, you are IT! 
> Kassidy

*** Kassie, me goil (as Archie Bunker would pronounce it), please
take my criticisms of the "other" group as being directed at the ones
in charge of it, rather than those who enjoy being members who get to
post comments on POTA on that site. Remember, one person in THIS
group (Rory) doesn't have that privilege and has been "banished to
the Forbidden Zone"--to use Michael's term. As I mentioned, oh, a
week ago or so, such power to censor content and to evict members
smacks of the same sorts of fascist tactics that made Nazi Germany a
system to be decried. As far as I can tell, that decision was NOT put
to a vote in that "democratic" group--did YOU get to participate in
the decision to kick Rory out, Kassidy? Or did Michael do it all by
himself, and then justify it by trotting out some past grievance he
had (the Simpsons tapes issue)?
It still bugs me that a POTA fan (as Michael presumably is) could
ever condone--let alone PERPETRATE--such dictatorial use of power.
And now I find that some jerk out there is forging e-mails and trying
to frame ME for it! I wish I didn't have to say this, but I gotta: I
wouldn't put it past Michael (or one of his cronies) to do such a
thing. If you'll peruse this site's more recent messages (around
#25230 or so), you'll see one by Michael where he isn't above forging
a "flame" message with MY name on it, followed by a reference
to "patriciamichelletitty" or something like that.

In regards to me referring to you as Lisa, it was NOT to imply that
you had a speech impediment! Sure, I quoted what sounds like a
stuttering bit of dialogue, Lisa's ONLY dialogue in CONQUEST... but
it was a word ("No!") which indicated her sensible objection towards
Caesar's incendiary speech regarding the harsh plans he has for the
Human race's future. The reason that I don't mind the "tacked-on"
ending to CONQUEST is that it is Lisa who "soothes the savage beast"
in Caesar's heart--an ex-slave who justifies the urge to punish his
persecutors... it takes a protest from a fellow ex-slave whom he
loves to get him to back off from his nastiness: "But NOW... now we
will put down our weapons..."
So, Kassidy, do you not see that I was giving you the most glowing of
compliments that one POTA fan could ever give to another (female)
POTA fan? In my mind, not even Zira is as "good" a person as Lisa.
Zira, despite seeing the end-result of Armed Conflict when she saw
the rim of the Earth melt, still harbors an unsettling racial
animosity towards gorillas and orangutans (this, despite having
worked side-by-side with a gorilla named Julius, who wasn't like the
militant Ursus); but Lisa, who has a pained look on her face when she
sees the weapons of war being prepared in Caesar's basement meeting-
place, it is SHE who is the first ape to say "No!", but NOT to a
Human--she says it to the Apes' "savior", Caesar. If not for her
intervention, how much more rotten would be the status of humans in
BATTLE, some 27 years later? Caesar's heart softens towards humans
because of his love of Lisa, who probably couldn't love him if he
were to maintain his zealous anti-human attitude he displayed in his
fiery speech.
Unlike Alma, who is an "enabler" of Kolp's pro-war mindset, Lisa goes
out of her way to question Caesar's growing plans for war, pointing
out that if the Humans in the Forbidden City fired upon him it was
probably because they were defending their own territory from armed
invaders. Caesar thinks they are "mad" due to their radiation-caused
Mutant "malformed" condition... and Lisa points out that the "freaks
in [his] foster-father's circus" were "malformed" too--does that make
THEM "mad", too?
Now, had I referred to you as "Carsia", THEN I could see you taking
such a comparison as an insult!

Patrick (who was told in explicit terms that I would NOT be welcome
in that "new" group which extolls Democratic values and
dislikes "flames") Tilton
EARTH-TIME 11-30-2002

P.S. Thanks for the Thanksgiving Day mixed blessing! Damn, I ate way
too much. Hope your Turkey Day was just as good!






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----- Original Message -----

From: CheeseGOTAS@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Group Lives

In a message dated 11/30/02 2:57:12 PM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< But I still hear only you, Rory, T, Patra and myself....where is everybody
else? >>

School.

-Joe


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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 4:09 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A new beginning . . .

If the group is dead, it's because of lack of participation. I did my share. - - - Jeff

Guilty as charged.  With all the infighting I forgot to talk Apes.  However, many an Ape thread with opposing viewpoints will tend to degenerate into petty squabbling before fizzling out.  And I'm okay with that.  Some of the arguments were more entertaining than the original topics anyway.  But lets not forget we are still an Apes Group.  We can talk Apes too, and not just grouse about the other group.  I'll start.  Here are is a list of alternate endings for the films, possibly ended the series before Battle, and saving us the pain of watching it.

Planet - Now that was a fine ending.  I wouldn't change a thing.  Though if Taylor and Zira had fallen in love and rode off with her instead, it certainly would have opened up some alternative plot directions.  But even in the swingin' sixties that probably would have ended the series right there.

Beneath - Zaius, seeing the folly of war, helps Taylor back to Ape City, where Zira patches him up and he is elected to Ape the counsel and educates the humans, and fosters their integration into Ape society.  Doesn't end the series, but keeps it on the planet and takes it in a new direction.  Then maybe later on they can blow it up.

Escape - Zira and Cornelius escape to the Everglades and found their colony, The End.  Or so we think...You could have another film where the government discovers them and sends in a strike team to take them out.  The End...Or so we think.  One Ape, Caesar, or Milo, since Armando wouldn't have changed his name, escapes alive, and he goes on to start the revolution in the next film.

Conquest - Caesar kills all the humans and founds a pure Ape society.  What humans that do escape, flee the cities and revert to feral behaviors, and that takes us full circle, without an alternate timeline.  That one will make the "Circular Timeline Fans" happy.

Battle - There never is a Battle, and the series ends on a more satisfying note in one of the earlier films.  Or . . . The spend more money on this one than the rest of the movies combined, with battle scenes throughout the whole movie that would rival any war film and are more reminiscent of the poster than the actual film.



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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 5:34 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Statue Kit

This is a cool little item, a garage kit now available for $40, but I think the Statue looks in too good a shape.   You can find it at xofacto.com

-- Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: CheeseGOTAS@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 8:46 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Group Lives

In a message dated 11/30/02 10:42:08 PM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:

<< So what about POTA did you want to discuss? - - - Jeff >>

I was just thinking... when does the new PotA novel come out by that Quick
guy?

-Joe


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: CheeseGOTAS@... [CheeseGOTAS@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 1 December 2002 9:07
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Group Lives
>
>
> In a message dated 11/30/02 2:57:12 PM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> << But I still hear only you, Rory, T, Patra and myself....where
> is everybody
> else? >>
>
> School.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I think amazon.com says April, sir, as well as some more Pop-Up
People. Oh, while we're talking books, I saw a book today
called "King of the Mountain - The Nature of Political Leadership" by
Arnold M. Ludwig. It's a 2002 book, non-fiction, about how our
genetic natures lead to our political decisions. Compares political
history to ape behavior. Pictures of apes mixed in with guys like
Hitler. Has a gorilla with a crown on his head on the cover. Of
course apes and politics are a theme of POTA. Ask Patrick! - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: CheeseGOTAS@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Group Lives
>
>
> In a message dated 11/30/02 10:42:08 PM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
> << So what about POTA did you want to discuss? - - - Jeff >>
>
> I was just thinking... when does the new PotA novel come out by
that Quick guy?
>
> -Joe

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