In a message dated 12/1/02 4:00:51 AM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Hey, Joe.

>>

Heh, sup?

-Joe

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 1:05 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] What is really sadly amusing

What's sadly amusing is your pathetic "us and them" attitude Jeff, and the way you controlled Rory yesterday when he was trying to make peace and move on.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 December 2002 4:06
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy as "Lisa", Turkeys and Fascism

  What's sadly amusing is that certain people in the "new" group feel they have left the "uglies" and "piranhas" behind, but if you'll notice, there's no flame wars here now. It wasn't the group, it was the people in it and some of those people are gone now. So which are the hypocrites? This group is actually kind of relaxing now. Zzzzzzzz...                - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: patrickmichaeltilton

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:28 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy as "Lisa", Turkeys and Fascism

--- In pota@y..., Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
>
> 
>  Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and
keep it POTA!  I think it is great you are planning on continuing Ape
Chronicles.  Were the magazines really good?  I've got Simian
Scrolls, but none of the Chronicles.
> Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm
not a Nazi.  Remember my comment re: you calling me a chimp with a
speech impediment?  You called me Lisa, remember, that's what that
was in response to.
> On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of
the Rod Serling POTA TV scripts from Epilogue Journal #9.  Anybody
wants to see it, I'll be happy to put it up in files over here, too.
> Happy Thanksgiving to you guys!  If ever there was a BUNCH OF
TURKEYS who needed good wishes, you are IT! 
> Kassidy

*** Kassie, me goil (as Archie Bunker would pronounce it), please
take my criticisms of the "other" group as being directed at the ones
in charge of it, rather than those who enjoy being members who get to
post comments on POTA on that site. Remember, one person in THIS
group (Rory) doesn't have that privilege and has been "banished to
the Forbidden Zone"--to use Michael's term. As I mentioned, oh, a
week ago or so, such power to censor content and to evict members
smacks of the same sorts of fascist tactics that made Nazi Germany a
system to be decried. As far as I can tell, that decision was NOT put
to a vote in that "democratic" group--did YOU get to participate in
the decision to kick Rory out, Kassidy? Or did Michael do it all by
himself, and then justify it by trotting out some past grievance he
had (the Simpsons tapes issue)?
It still bugs me that a POTA fan (as Michael presumably is) could
ever condone--let alone PERPETRATE--such dictatorial use of power.
And now I find that some jerk out there is forging e-mails and trying
to frame ME for it! I wish I didn't have to say this, but I gotta: I
wouldn't put it past Michael (or one of his cronies) to do such a
thing. If you'll peruse this site's more recent messages (around
#25230 or so), you'll see one by Michael where he isn't above forging
a "flame" message with MY name on it, followed by a reference
to "patriciamichelletitty" or something like that.

In regards to me referring to you as Lisa, it was NOT to imply that
you had a speech impediment! Sure, I quoted what sounds like a
stuttering bit of dialogue, Lisa's ONLY dialogue in CONQUEST... but
it was a word ("No!") which indicated her sensible objection towards
Caesar's incendiary speech regarding the harsh plans he has for the
Human race's future. The reason that I don't mind the "tacked-on"
ending to CONQUEST is that it is Lisa who "soothes the savage beast"
in Caesar's heart--an ex-slave who justifies the urge to punish his
persecutors... it takes a protest from a fellow ex-slave whom he
loves to get him to back off from his nastiness: "But NOW... now we
will put down our weapons..."
So, Kassidy, do you not see that I was giving you the most glowing of
compliments that one POTA fan could ever give to another (female)
POTA fan? In my mind, not even Zira is as "good" a person as Lisa.
Zira, despite seeing the end-result of Armed Conflict when she saw
the rim of the Earth melt, still harbors an unsettling racial
animosity towards gorillas and orangutans (this, despite having
worked side-by-side with a gorilla named Julius, who wasn't like the
militant Ursus); but Lisa, who has a pained look on her face when she
sees the weapons of war being prepared in Caesar's basement meeting-
place, it is SHE who is the first ape to say "No!", but NOT to a
Human--she says it to the Apes' "savior", Caesar. If not for her
intervention, how much more rotten would be the status of humans in
BATTLE, some 27 years later? Caesar's heart softens towards humans
because of his love of Lisa, who probably couldn't love him if he
were to maintain his zealous anti-human attitude he displayed in his
fiery speech.
Unlike Alma, who is an "enabler" of Kolp's pro-war mindset, Lisa goes
out of her way to question Caesar's growing plans for war, pointing
out that if the Humans in the Forbidden City fired upon him it was
probably because they were defending their own territory from armed
invaders. Caesar thinks they are "mad" due to their radiation-caused
Mutant "malformed" condition... and Lisa points out that the "freaks
in [his] foster-father's circus" were "malformed" too--does that make
THEM "mad", too?
Now, had I referred to you as "Carsia", THEN I could see you taking
such a comparison as an insult!

Patrick (who was told in explicit terms that I would NOT be welcome
in that "new" group which extolls Democratic values and
dislikes "flames") Tilton
EARTH-TIME 11-30-2002

P.S. Thanks for the Thanksgiving Day mixed blessing! Damn, I ate way
too much. Hope your Turkey Day was just as good!






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Mentioning Apemania always gets T jealous!

Its amazing what you read into a couple of off hand remarks.  I on;y used that as an example because of the word disappointment.  I am disappointed that there has to be 2 groups.  But if that's what it takes to make people happy... Yes, I am in both groups.  I prefer the unmoderated group because I can speak my mind without getting kicked out.  And since I can, I'd just like to say I saw Dick Dale and The Blue Flames last night.  And I'd just like to say Dick Dale kicks ass!  I won't say he rocks hard for a 65 year old man.  Hell, he rocks harder than an 18 year old.  If he comes anywhere near you, Run, Don't Walk, to see this guitar legend.  He played guitar, acoustic guitar, bass, drums, and trumpet.  He even played in the crowd, in the back room and the parking lot!  James Brown, the hardest working man in show business?  Hell No!  It's Dick Dale!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:28 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] What is really sadly amusing

Don't turn this around on me Jeff.

 

You have had many opportunities to bury the hatchet and get on with things and YOU refuse.  If that means I don't share things with you as a consequence of your "us & them" attitude then don't look so surprised.

 

You want to control this group, fine.  You want to decide when to get back on track, ignoring all the evidence and people around you, fine.  Don't blame me.

 

Instead of just passing on commenting or saying something positive to support Rory (like "well I'd rather stay in this group but how about we cross over and interchange topics and questions"), you choose to show an "us & them" attitude.  Fine.

 

But it is pathetic.

 

Michael

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 December 2002 15:35
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What is really sadly amusing

   Rory's a big boy. T and I gave our opinions and he agreed. Rory, stay out of this. I'm talking to Michael here. My "us and them" attitude, eh? You're a member of this group. What do you contribute? I didn't see you mention those new Rittenhouse cards here. Anyway this is the last I will discuss the 2 groups. I've made my opinion known. - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 1:05 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] What is really sadly amusing

What's sadly amusing is your pathetic "us and them" attitude Jeff, and the way you controlled Rory yesterday when he was trying to make peace and move on.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 December 2002 4:06
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy as "Lisa", Turkeys and Fascism

  What's sadly amusing is that certain people in the "new" group feel they have left the "uglies" and "piranhas" behind, but if you'll notice, there's no flame wars here now. It wasn't the group, it was the people in it and some of those people are gone now. So which are the hypocrites? This group is actually kind of relaxing now. Zzzzzzzz...                - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: patrickmichaeltilton

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:28 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy as "Lisa", Turkeys and Fascism

--- In pota@y..., Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
>
> 
>  Jeff, I LOVED that Starcon panel bit, keep up the good work and
keep it POTA!  I think it is great you are planning on continuing Ape
Chronicles.  Were the magazines really good?  I've got Simian
Scrolls, but none of the Chronicles.
> Patty me boy, I am on the other group and I'm not a mutant and I'm
not a Nazi.  Remember my comment re: you calling me a chimp with a
speech impediment?  You called me Lisa, remember, that's what that
was in response to.
> On the mutant retard Nazi group over there, I posted a synopsis of
the Rod Serling POTA TV scripts from Epilogue Journal #9.  Anybody
wants to see it, I'll be happy to put it up in files over here, too.
> Happy Thanksgiving to you guys!  If ever there was a BUNCH OF
TURKEYS who needed good wishes, you are IT! 
> Kassidy

*** Kassie, me goil (as Archie Bunker would pronounce it), please
take my criticisms of the "other" group as being directed at the ones
in charge of it, rather than those who enjoy being members who get to
post comments on POTA on that site. Remember, one person in THIS
group (Rory) doesn't have that privilege and has been "banished to
the Forbidden Zone"--to use Michael's term. As I mentioned, oh, a
week ago or so, such power to censor content and to evict members
smacks of the same sorts of fascist tactics that made Nazi Germany a
system to be decried. As far as I can tell, that decision was NOT put
to a vote in that "democratic" group--did YOU get to participate in
the decision to kick Rory out, Kassidy? Or did Michael do it all by
himself, and then justify it by trotting out some past grievance he
had (the Simpsons tapes issue)?
It still bugs me that a POTA fan (as Michael presumably is) could
ever condone--let alone PERPETRATE--such dictatorial use of power.
And now I find that some jerk out there is forging e-mails and trying
to frame ME for it! I wish I didn't have to say this, but I gotta: I
wouldn't put it past Michael (or one of his cronies) to do such a
thing. If you'll peruse this site's more recent messages (around
#25230 or so), you'll see one by Michael where he isn't above forging
a "flame" message with MY name on it, followed by a reference
to "patriciamichelletitty" or something like that.

In regards to me referring to you as Lisa, it was NOT to imply that
you had a speech impediment! Sure, I quoted what sounds like a
stuttering bit of dialogue, Lisa's ONLY dialogue in CONQUEST... but
it was a word ("No!") which indicated her sensible objection towards
Caesar's incendiary speech regarding the harsh plans he has for the
Human race's future. The reason that I don't mind the "tacked-on"
ending to CONQUEST is that it is Lisa who "soothes the savage beast"
in Caesar's heart--an ex-slave who justifies the urge to punish his
persecutors... it takes a protest from a fellow ex-slave whom he
loves to get him to back off from his nastiness: "But NOW... now we
will put down our weapons..."
So, Kassidy, do you not see that I was giving you the most glowing of
compliments that one POTA fan could ever give to another (female)
POTA fan? In my mind, not even Zira is as "good" a person as Lisa.
Zira, despite seeing the end-result of Armed Conflict when she saw
the rim of the Earth melt, still harbors an unsettling racial
animosity towards gorillas and orangutans (this, despite having
worked side-by-side with a gorilla named Julius, who wasn't like the
militant Ursus); but Lisa, who has a pained look on her face when she
sees the weapons of war being prepared in Caesar's basement meeting-
place, it is SHE who is the first ape to say "No!", but NOT to a
Human--she says it to the Apes' "savior", Caesar. If not for her
intervention, how much more rotten would be the status of humans in
BATTLE, some 27 years later? Caesar's heart softens towards humans
because of his love of Lisa, who probably couldn't love him if he
were to maintain his zealous anti-human attitude he displayed in his
fiery speech.
Unlike Alma, who is an "enabler" of Kolp's pro-war mindset, Lisa goes
out of her way to question Caesar's growing plans for war, pointing
out that if the Humans in the Forbidden City fired upon him it was
probably because they were defending their own territory from armed
invaders. Caesar thinks they are "mad" due to their radiation-caused
Mutant "malformed" condition... and Lisa points out that the "freaks
in [his] foster-father's circus" were "malformed" too--does that make
THEM "mad", too?
Now, had I referred to you as "Carsia", THEN I could see you taking
such a comparison as an insult!

Patrick (who was told in explicit terms that I would NOT be welcome
in that "new" group which extolls Democratic values and
dislikes "flames") Tilton
EARTH-TIME 11-30-2002

P.S. Thanks for the Thanksgiving Day mixed blessing! Damn, I ate way
too much. Hope your Turkey Day was just as good!






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----- Original Message -----

From: patrickmichaeltilton

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 9:14 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Group Lives! Also, "The Hunt for Zero Point" boo...

*** Check out www.cheniere.org for more info on that Tom Bearden
invention of the MEG (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator). There's
lots of info buttressing his theories, including highly technical
papers which describe HOW the MEG does what it does (those who
dislike "higher math", feel free to skip on by). Absolutely stunning!
Or, just type in "Bearden MEG" on a search engine, and you'll
probably get to that website fairly easily.

Patrick

--- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
wrote:
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 12/1/02 10:01:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> >
> >
> > > After that spinning mini-Black Hole's "event horizon" undergoes
topological deformation (from a non-rotating "sphere" to an ultra-
spinning "oblate spheroid" to a hyper-spinning "disc"-shaped warpage
with a Naked Singularity ringing the center), that
hyperspatial "sweet spot" at the center is bombarded with fuel shot
from a linear accelerator "fuel injector", creating the nearly-
spherical "bubble" around the spaceship, which propagates at
Lightspeed (since it's made of laserlight) divided by a number
representing the Mass of the ship inside the warpfield (the "index of
refraction" effect which causes "lightspeed" for Taylor's ship to be
only about one-sixth that of ordinary lightspeed, making him take
2006 Earth-Time years to travel 320 Lightyears).
> > >
> >
> > Patrick. . . Now that's one long sentence!
> >
> > I wonder if this kind of technology might someday lead to
practical nuclear fusion?  I mean create nuclear fusion by encasing a
small amount of matter in a powerful magnetic field that's "spinning
in all directions at once" with the affect that the matter within
spins to a velocity so great that in collapses unto itself. I'm
talking about very small amounts of negatively or positively charged
matter here.  The heat energy produced by this could be used to power
electric plants and some of the power even re-channeled to keep the
mechanisms of the magnetic field spinning so that in affect you'd
have a perpetual motion machine. Miniature versions of this fusion
machine could be in our cars and heating our homes.
> >
> > You know what I mean?
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> *** I know EXACTLY what you mean. In fact, in the Epilogue of Nick
> Cook's book, he mentions that--oh, I'll just type it in, so you can
> read it for yourself!
>
> "Since the publication of the U.K. edition of "The Hunt for Zero
Point", one other significant postscript to the story is worth
mentioning--in time, the word "momentous" may even be appropriate. On
March 26, 2002, a U.S. patent was granted for a device called
the "Motionless Magnetic Generator," or MEG, that its supporters say
will be the world's first commercially available free-energy home
generator. The MEG has been developed by a team of inventors led by
long-time zero point energy pioneer and proponent Dr. Thomas E.
Bearden, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel and former engineer.
The MEG is designed to provide an indefinite output of 2.5 kilowatts--
enough to run a room or two in your house--by tapping into the
infinite energy of the quantum sea. Link three or four MEGs together,
proponents claim, and you get enough output to run an entire house.
The event is significant, at least, because the U.S. Patent Office
traditionally shuns so-called "free-energy" devices; de facto, it has
accepted there must be something to this one. As I write this, scant
weeks after the patent's acceptance, it remains to be seen whether
claims for the MEG will indeed transcend into commercially available
hardware. But maybe, just maybe--as I sit here recalling Hal
Puthoff's exhortation--3.26.02 will be the date I put in my diary as
the day the world changed--forever.
>
> That, Rory, is the last paragraph of the book "The Hunt for Zero
Point". You can bet there's a shitload of stuff on the Net about this
book and the people/places/things mentioned IN the book. So, I'm
gonna surf for a while and see what I can find. I'll be sure to post
the website addresses of those sites which particularly stun me.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. BTW, I think that the "E" in MEG probably stands
for "Electromagnetic", so that MEG would be an acronym
for "Motionless Electromagnetic Generator". Otherwise, the acronym
should read "MMG". I wonder if the U.S. Patent Office has this patent
on-line? Hmmm... something to check out.




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Rory said: Just raided this item from the OTHER group.

-- Rory


And I just brought up Rory's "Home Page" image on the OTHER group.

Like I said, no reason decent topics shouldn't be shared.

I'll just try one last time to explain, then I'll let you guys work
it out for yourselves. I guarantee I will not waste my time on
explanations after this, so if you think the post is too long and
delete it, then you choose to leave this matter unresolved.

Jeff, if T and Rory showed up at your place while Natalie was
visiting and came in, said a "shit" and a "fuck" then started
brawling, I imagine (if this behaviour made Natalie uncomfortable)
then you would be inspired to do something about it (unless of course
I suggested you do someting about it, then you might let it go for a>
while). You would have a lot of alternatives, you could ask them all
to leave, or maybe ask Rory and T to behave themselves because
Natalie is getting upset (not suggested, they will refer to you as a
Nazi), but if your intention was to still keep all as friends, but
not necessarily in the same room, an alternative might be separate
communications.

That was my choice. It really is a no win situation because of
course Rory and T would be dumbfounded that you don't invite them
over when Natalie is around, and offended of course that you would
expect their liberal attitudes to be adapted.

T, replace "Natalie" with "Kim Hunter" and "T" with "Jeff" above.

Rory, I think you know what I'm saying anyway.

Michael

The way I see it, both groups (and the hundreds of others that exist)
are resources for people who are interested in POTA.

Like with the Time of the Apes group, their moderator visits other
groups to discuss certain issues and get input, and invites people to
join his group.

Easy.

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/1/02 10:12:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
>
> > Just out of curiosity, do you have to subscribe (or resubscribe)

in

> > order to read their daily posts? I haven't even TRIED to join up

with

> > those guys, for obvious reasons, and yet I was able to surf the

site

> > and "lurk", just to see what I was "missing" (not much, as I said
> > before).
>
> Yeah, that's what I have been doing until I was briefly banned from

that too.

> But I was trying to get the postings directly E-mailed to me. I'm

sure

> Michael will fix this as I'm not a "danger" anymore. The feud is

over as far

> as I'm concerned. I just want to keep up on the latest POTA news.
>
> For instance, I was looking at, I think, the latest TOYFAIR

magazine

> yesterday, and they had a picture in the back, I think page 98, of

a Playmate

> Star Trek Khan figure (Ricardo Montalban, of course) walking a

chimp Kubrick

> figure on a leash. I thought that was pretty funny. Jeff will

want to go

> find that photo. It was one of the current Toy Mags.
>
> -- Rory
>

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From: patrickmichaeltilton

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 9:14 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Group Lives! Also, "The Hunt for Zero Point" boo...

*** Check out www.cheniere.org for more info on that Tom Bearden
invention of the MEG (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator). There's
lots of info buttressing his theories, including highly technical
papers which describe HOW the MEG does what it does (those who
dislike "higher math", feel free to skip on by). Absolutely stunning!
Or, just type in "Bearden MEG" on a search engine, and you'll
probably get to that website fairly easily.

Patrick

--- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
wrote:
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 12/1/02 10:01:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> >
> >
> > > After that spinning mini-Black Hole's "event horizon" undergoes
topological deformation (from a non-rotating "sphere" to an ultra-
spinning "oblate spheroid" to a hyper-spinning "disc"-shaped warpage
with a Naked Singularity ringing the center), that
hyperspatial "sweet spot" at the center is bombarded with fuel shot
from a linear accelerator "fuel injector", creating the nearly-
spherical "bubble" around the spaceship, which propagates at
Lightspeed (since it's made of laserlight) divided by a number
representing the Mass of the ship inside the warpfield (the "index of
refraction" effect which causes "lightspeed" for Taylor's ship to be
only about one-sixth that of ordinary lightspeed, making him take
2006 Earth-Time years to travel 320 Lightyears).
> > >
> >
> > Patrick. . . Now that's one long sentence!
> >
> > I wonder if this kind of technology might someday lead to
practical nuclear fusion?  I mean create nuclear fusion by encasing a
small amount of matter in a powerful magnetic field that's "spinning
in all directions at once" with the affect that the matter within
spins to a velocity so great that in collapses unto itself. I'm
talking about very small amounts of negatively or positively charged
matter here.  The heat energy produced by this could be used to power
electric plants and some of the power even re-channeled to keep the
mechanisms of the magnetic field spinning so that in affect you'd
have a perpetual motion machine. Miniature versions of this fusion
machine could be in our cars and heating our homes.
> >
> > You know what I mean?
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> *** I know EXACTLY what you mean. In fact, in the Epilogue of Nick
> Cook's book, he mentions that--oh, I'll just type it in, so you can
> read it for yourself!
>
> "Since the publication of the U.K. edition of "The Hunt for Zero
Point", one other significant postscript to the story is worth
mentioning--in time, the word "momentous" may even be appropriate. On
March 26, 2002, a U.S. patent was granted for a device called
the "Motionless Magnetic Generator," or MEG, that its supporters say
will be the world's first commercially available free-energy home
generator. The MEG has been developed by a team of inventors led by
long-time zero point energy pioneer and proponent Dr. Thomas E.
Bearden, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel and former engineer.
The MEG is designed to provide an indefinite output of 2.5 kilowatts--
enough to run a room or two in your house--by tapping into the
infinite energy of the quantum sea. Link three or four MEGs together,
proponents claim, and you get enough output to run an entire house.
The event is significant, at least, because the U.S. Patent Office
traditionally shuns so-called "free-energy" devices; de facto, it has
accepted there must be something to this one. As I write this, scant
weeks after the patent's acceptance, it remains to be seen whether
claims for the MEG will indeed transcend into commercially available
hardware. But maybe, just maybe--as I sit here recalling Hal
Puthoff's exhortation--3.26.02 will be the date I put in my diary as
the day the world changed--forever.
>
> That, Rory, is the last paragraph of the book "The Hunt for Zero
Point". You can bet there's a shitload of stuff on the Net about this
book and the people/places/things mentioned IN the book. So, I'm
gonna surf for a while and see what I can find. I'll be sure to post
the website addresses of those sites which particularly stun me.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. BTW, I think that the "E" in MEG probably stands
for "Electromagnetic", so that MEG would be an acronym
for "Motionless Electromagnetic Generator". Otherwise, the acronym
should read "MMG". I wonder if the U.S. Patent Office has this patent
on-line? Hmmm... something to check out.




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----- Original Message -----

From: whitty@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:09 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The "Other" Group

Rory said:  Just raided this item from the OTHER group.

-- Rory


And I just brought up Rory's "Home Page" image on the OTHER group.

Like I said, no reason decent topics shouldn't be shared.

I'll just try one last time to explain, then I'll let you guys work
it out for yourselves.  I guarantee I will not waste my time on
explanations after this, so if you think the post is too long and
delete it, then you choose to leave this matter unresolved.

Jeff, if T and Rory showed up at your place while Natalie was
visiting and came in, said a "shit" and a "fuck" then started 
brawling, I imagine (if this behaviour made Natalie uncomfortable)
then you would be inspired to do something about it (unless of course
I suggested you do someting about it, then you might let it go for a>
while).  You would have a lot of alternatives, you could ask them all
to leave, or maybe ask Rory and T to behave themselves because
Natalie is getting upset (not suggested, they will refer to you as a
Nazi), but if your intention was to still keep all as friends, but
not necessarily in the same room, an alternative might be separate
communications.

That was my choice.  It really is a no win situation because of
course Rory and T would be dumbfounded that you don't invite them
over when Natalie is around, and offended of course that you would
expect their liberal attitudes to be adapted.

T, replace "Natalie" with "Kim Hunter" and "T" with "Jeff" above.

Rory, I think you know what I'm saying anyway.

Michael




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.htmlI'll forward the posts to you if you like .

Well, I just tried to resubscribe to the new group so I could read the daily posts and this got returned to me.  So, it seems I'm still banned.


<.html

The whole OT thing will be coming up in the new group soon too. Neal
is a Pom (Englishman) living in Australia and he posted about the
cricket. I had to scratch my head and wonder...."Is this OT?" (and
also "If it is, what's the harm?"). It is marginal, as a recent
topic was "What sports do/should/could the Apes play?", but as with
everything it will go to the group and I'll either go with what they
decide as a majority or I'll leave!

Elitist attitude? Not intended, but apologies if it happened un-
noticed. Teacher didn't tell anyone anything. The group told
teacher and teacher did his best to avoid a riot and keep the class
together (albeit in different classrooms).

I tried to discuss what was upsetting people and I was stonewalled,
ridiculed then baited by you and Rory. So knowing there was no
foreseeable settlement within the group, I invited members to join
another group and they did. Do you realise the assumptions you are
making about these people when you continue to paint them as sheep
who follow my orders? It is not really me you are offending, but
their intelligence.

Well, I have some Aussie beer too (careful, it packs a punch).

I am actually serious. We had an OT conversation about Aussie beer
recently and that inspired me to get a case of beer for my overseas
friends. I believe this is also a custom shared throughout the
world....let off some steam, than sit down and have a beer together
and get over it.

I already have Rory's address, but anyone else who is interested in
joining me in a beer this Xmas, send me your address in a private
email.

Patrick, Rory will be getting your beer so work it out with him if
you want it.

Now what is Jo going to provide? I know...COLLEGE GIRLS (and boys?).

All the best, and may we all learn from each other's mistakes.

Michael




--- <veetus@...> wrote:

> My point was everyone has there own opinion of what's on - topic,

off-top

> ic, what's interesting, what's offensive; starting another group

was extrem

> e. It's done, but I won't put up with an elitist attitude (my fault

for loo

> king at the archives. As I said, the problem isn't this group, it's

the peo

> ple in it. Some of those people are now in the other group. Fine,

teacher t

> old them to sit on the other side of the room. I agree, it got out

of hand

> here. But the "other" side was extreme too, the "off topic"

brigade. As for

> the scenario you mentioned, Natalie could out-curse anyone. But I

would pr

> obably ask them not to do that. I wouldn't run to the phone and

say, "Micha

> el, they're rude!" I'm coming over to your place". No one discussed

what up

> set them. The great Silent Majority just took it on the lamb

without realiz

> ing the freedoms they gave up. But enough is enough. I wish your

group well

> and we'll make the best of what we have here. T is making dinner,

Rory cho

> pped some nice firewood, Patrick is renting us some DVDs and we're

going to

> have fun! - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: whitty@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:09 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The "Other" Group
>
>
> Rory said: Just raided this item from the OTHER group.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> And I just brought up Rory's "Home Page" image on the OTHER group.
>
> Like I said, no reason decent topics shouldn't be shared.
>
> I'll just try one last time to explain, then I'll let you guys

work

> it out for yourselves. I guarantee I will not waste my time on
> explanations after this, so if you think the post is too long and
> delete it, then you choose to leave this matter unresolved.
>
> Jeff, if T and Rory showed up at your place while Natalie was
> visiting and came in, said a "shit" and a "fuck" then started
> brawling, I imagine (if this behaviour made Natalie

uncomfortable)

> then you would be inspired to do something about it (unless of

course

> I suggested you do someting about it, then you might let it go

for a>

> while). You would have a lot of alternatives, you could ask them

all

> to leave, or maybe ask Rory and T to behave themselves because
> Natalie is getting upset (not suggested, they will refer to you

as a

> Nazi), but if your intention was to still keep all as friends,

but

> not necessarily in the same room, an alternative might be

separate

> communications.
>
> That was my choice. It really is a no win situation because of
> course Rory and T would be dumbfounded that you don't invite them
> over when Natalie is around, and offended of course that you

would

> expect their liberal attitudes to be adapted.
>
> T, replace "Natalie" with "Kim Hunter" and "T" with "Jeff" above.
>
> Rory, I think you know what I'm saying anyway.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

Service.

>

.htmlWhat fascinated me was the look and how much it was like a '60's film, kind of understated, even the sound. It makes you realize how bombarded we are in sci-fi movies today.

Yeah, after Star Wars and Star Trek, actually going into space may be a bit of a let down.<.html

That's OK T, Rory will find he can rejoin the new group now.

Michael

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

> I'll forward the posts to you if you like .
>
> > Well, I just tried to resubscribe to the new group so I could

read the daily

> > posts and this got returned to me. So, it seems I'm still banned.
> >
>
>

Oh, not a lot.

Yourself?

Michael

--- CheeseGOTAS@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/1/02 4:00:51 AM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> << Hey, Joe.
> >>
>
> Heh, sup?
>
> -Joe

.htmlT
  Just out of curiosity, did you say "shit" and "fuck" in the presence of Kim Hunter?
  if so, how did she react?

No, but she has said "shit" in my presence a couple of times.  And the word "fuck" does appear in her book. I believe the exact quote was, "et fucking cetera!", after f---ing around it several times in an anecdote about Kazan trying to rattle her teacup when she was nervous about starting the play.  Most amusing.  As was the time I got her to tell the fake dog shit story to the Streetcar crowd.  It got a huge laugh.  The first time I heard her say 'shit' was when we were chatting on the phone and she spilled her drink.  I found it very endearing.  But to answer your question, no, I don't think that is would have either of those particular effects coming from me.  It's not that I dont have an enormous vocabulary of explitives that would make a sailor blush -- I do.  Cursing isn't second nature to me -- it's first.  I just find that profanity is usually much more amusing and endearing when coming from older women and younger children.  Don't you agree?
<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: whitty@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The "Other" Group

The whole OT thing will be coming up in the new group soon too.  Neal
is a Pom (Englishman) living in Australia and he posted about the
cricket.  I had to scratch my head and wonder...."Is this OT?" (and
also "If it is, what's the harm?").  It is marginal, as a recent
topic was "What sports do/should/could the Apes play?", but as with
everything it will go to the group and I'll either go with what they
decide as a majority or I'll leave!

Elitist attitude?  Not intended, but apologies if it happened un-
noticed.  Teacher didn't tell anyone anything.  The group told
teacher and teacher did his best to avoid a riot and keep the class
together (albeit in different classrooms).

I tried to discuss what was upsetting people and I was stonewalled,
ridiculed then baited by you and Rory.  So knowing there was no
foreseeable settlement within the group, I invited members to join
another group and they did.  Do you realise the assumptions you are
making about these people when you continue to paint them as sheep
who follow my orders?  It is not really me you are offending, but
their intelligence.

Well, I have some Aussie beer too (careful, it packs a punch).

I am actually serious.  We had an OT conversation about Aussie beer
recently and that inspired me to get a case of beer for my overseas
friends.  I believe this is also a custom shared throughout the
world....let off some steam, than sit down and have a beer together
and get over it.

I already have Rory's address, but anyone else who is interested in
joining me in a beer this Xmas, send me your address in a private
email.

Patrick, Rory will be getting your beer so work it out with him if
you want it.

Now what is Jo going to provide?  I know...COLLEGE GIRLS (and boys?).

All the best, and may we all learn from each other's mistakes.

Michael




--- <veetus@...> wrote:
>   My point was everyone has there own opinion of what's on - topic,
off-top
> ic, what's interesting, what's offensive; starting another group
was extrem
> e. It's done, but I won't put up with an elitist attitude (my fault
for loo
> king at the archives. As I said, the problem isn't this group, it's
the peo
> ple in it. Some of those people are now in the other group. Fine,
teacher t
> old them to sit on the other side of the room. I agree, it got out
of hand
> here. But the "other" side was extreme too, the "off topic"
brigade. As for
>  the scenario you mentioned, Natalie could out-curse anyone. But I
would pr
> obably ask them not to do that. I wouldn't run to the phone and
say, "Micha
> el, they're rude!" I'm coming over to your place". No one discussed
what up
> set them. The great Silent Majority just took it on the lamb
without realiz
> ing the freedoms they gave up. But enough is enough. I wish your
group well
>  and we'll make the best of what we have here. T is making dinner,
Rory cho
> pped some nice firewood, Patrick is renting us some DVDs and we're
going to
>  have fun! - - - Jeff
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: whitty@...
>   To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:09 PM
>   Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The "Other" Group
>
>
>   Rory said:  Just raided this item from the OTHER group.
>
>   -- Rory
>
>
>   And I just brought up Rory's "Home Page" image on the OTHER group.
>
>   Like I said, no reason decent topics shouldn't be shared.
>
>   I'll just try one last time to explain, then I'll let you guys
work
>   it out for yourselves.  I guarantee I will not waste my time on
>   explanations after this, so if you think the post is too long and
>   delete it, then you choose to leave this matter unresolved.
>
>   Jeff, if T and Rory showed up at your place while Natalie was
>   visiting and came in, said a "shit" and a "fuck" then started 
>   brawling, I imagine (if this behaviour made Natalie
uncomfortable)
>   then you would be inspired to do something about it (unless of
course
>   I suggested you do someting about it, then you might let it go
for a>
>   while).  You would have a lot of alternatives, you could ask them
all
>   to leave, or maybe ask Rory and T to behave themselves because
>   Natalie is getting upset (not suggested, they will refer to you
as a
>   Nazi), but if your intention was to still keep all as friends,
but
>   not necessarily in the same room, an alternative might be
separate
>   communications.
>
>   That was my choice.  It really is a no win situation because of
>   course Rory and T would be dumbfounded that you don't invite them
>   over when Natalie is around, and offended of course that you
would
>   expect their liberal attitudes to be adapted.
>
>   T, replace "Natalie" with "Kim Hunter" and "T" with "Jeff" above.
>
>   Rory, I think you know what I'm saying anyway.
>
>   Michael
>
>
>
>        
>              
>             
>       
>       
>
>   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>




Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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.htmlOT OT OT OT OT TOT OT TO TOTOTOTOTOTOTO
Seems to me, Michael, the only reason you remain in both groups it to keep some place to take your OT comments, most of which seem to be about being OT. O WTF!<.html

O, T, I would say you are missing the point then.

Michael

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> OT OT OT OT OT TOT OT TO TOTOTOTOTOTOTO
> Seems to me, Michael, the only reason you remain in both groups it
to keep
> some place to take your OT comments, most of which seem to be about
being OT.
> O WTF!

.htmlIn a message dated 12/1/2002 8:12:57 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I would say you are missing the point

Perhaps you were wearing a hat.

I tried to let it slide.

<.html

And thank you Jeff.

I think a lot of the trouble stems from the electronic domain...we
can't see each other's faces and hear the tone in each other's
voices, so things that are quite harmless can appear otherwise.

I thought I tried to discuss this and the message I got from you and
Rory was "see you later" (or did I misread the photo of Zira and
Cornelius waving goodbye and your subsequent response to that?). To
me this meant "end of discussion, if you don't like it, then go
away". Then (seemingly to intimidate and humiliate me
further...please correct me if I am wrong) you started chatting about
Eminem's new movie. Well, I tried to play along and quoted some of
his lyrics to "throw a counter-punch" ("you opened this can of worms,
how do they taste?"). That is why I thought time to talk had passed
and I hope you can understand in context.

The intention was to get the new group going and then let everybody
know about it, including Patrick (with whom I thought I was getting
on rather well in private, so well indeed that I spent half a day
scanning blueprints for him). The way I approached people was to ask
them individually if there was a reason they had stopped their
involvement and could they tell me the reasons. Now I can't control
their answers and there were MANY different reasons. The consistent,
recurring reason was all the OT stuff - it was out of control (and
you have to wonder about prosprctive members here...they read a few
posts and all they see is OT stuff they will not stay around if their
intention is to talk POTA). Other reasons were identified and I
thought the best approach would be to get the group going, ESTABLISH
some ground rules so everybody knows where they stand, then invite
EVERYBODY to join.

The outcome was a little bit like a wedding where people don't all
get on and because of that the married couple have to exclude some of
their best friends...it happens! And when those friends find out
they are not invited...they get upset (no matter how good the reason
is).

You're not a troublemaker Jeff. You are a nice guy, from what I can
tell. But the OT issue had to be solved so I could turn around and
say "hey Jeff, there is another POTA group that contains people who
are very anti OT and we would love to have you on board, or include
you in some way, because not only are you a nice guy, but you have a
very important inside POTA connection". Do you understand? But
there is still no concensus on the new group - there has been no vote
(and as new mwmbers join and vote things will change). The new group
may vote to wipe out voting (can you do that?)! Who knows?

I wish I could have done it another way, and I wish I had never been
placed in a situation where I had to make a decision about Rory, but
I was and I did.

I am human too Jeff, we all are and we all make errors. People judge
us (and we judge, more importantly, ourselves) on how we learn from
our mistakes and how we put things back together that we have
(hopefully not completely) destroyed.

I hope we can all get something positive out of this and stop
slagging off at each other. This town is definitely big enough for
the both of us plus more!

Michael

PS I tried to check my spelling, but the post was to long and I
deleted it!

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Thanks, Michael. That was a good e-mail. I didn't say people were
sheep, I'm saying there was no discussion.I remember one night when
when it was really being slung I think the group decided to agree to
disagree and to calm down on the flame wars. It seemed the group was
in agreement (at least the ones who post), then the next thing some
of us knew, there were 2 groups. No discussion. And then the attitude
by some that they left behind the troublemakers; I guess I took it
personally. I apologize too. "I guess you can chalk it up to the fact
that I'm only human". - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: whitty@c...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The "Other" Group
>
>
> The whole OT thing will be coming up in the new group soon too.
Neal
> is a Pom (Englishman) living in Australia and he posted about the
> cricket. I had to scratch my head and wonder...."Is this OT?"
(and
> also "If it is, what's the harm?"). It is marginal, as a recent
> topic was "What sports do/should/could the Apes play?", but as
with
> everything it will go to the group and I'll either go with what
they
> decide as a majority or I'll leave!
>
> Elitist attitude? Not intended, but apologies if it happened un-
> noticed. Teacher didn't tell anyone anything. The group told
> teacher and teacher did his best to avoid a riot and keep the
class
> together (albeit in different classrooms).
>
> I tried to discuss what was upsetting people and I was
stonewalled,
> ridiculed then baited by you and Rory. So knowing there was no
> foreseeable settlement within the group, I invited members to
join
> another group and they did. Do you realise the assumptions you
are
> making about these people when you continue to paint them as
sheep
> who follow my orders? It is not really me you are offending, but
> their intelligence.
>
> Well, I have some Aussie beer too (careful, it packs a punch).
>
> I am actually serious. We had an OT conversation about Aussie
beer
> recently and that inspired me to get a case of beer for my
overseas
> friends. I believe this is also a custom shared throughout the
> world....let off some steam, than sit down and have a beer
together
> and get over it.
>
> I already have Rory's address, but anyone else who is interested
in
> joining me in a beer this Xmas, send me your address in a private
> email.
>
> Patrick, Rory will be getting your beer so work it out with him
if
> you want it.
>
> Now what is Jo going to provide? I know...COLLEGE GIRLS (and
boys?).
>
> All the best, and may we all learn from each other's mistakes.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> --- <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > My point was everyone has there own opinion of what's on -
topic,
> off-top
> > ic, what's interesting, what's offensive; starting another
group
> was extrem
> > e. It's done, but I won't put up with an elitist attitude (my
fault
> for loo
> > king at the archives. As I said, the problem isn't this group,
it's
> the peo
> > ple in it. Some of those people are now in the other group.
Fine,
> teacher t
> > old them to sit on the other side of the room. I agree, it got
out
> of hand
> > here. But the "other" side was extreme too, the "off topic"
> brigade. As for
> > the scenario you mentioned, Natalie could out-curse anyone.
But I
> would pr
> > obably ask them not to do that. I wouldn't run to the phone and
> say, "Micha
> > el, they're rude!" I'm coming over to your place". No one
discussed
> what up
> > set them. The great Silent Majority just took it on the lamb
> without realiz
> > ing the freedoms they gave up. But enough is enough. I wish
your
> group well
> > and we'll make the best of what we have here. T is making
dinner,
> Rory cho
> > pped some nice firewood, Patrick is renting us some DVDs and
we're
> going to
> > have fun! - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: whitty@c...
> > To: pota@y...
> > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:09 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The "Other" Group
> >
> >
> > Rory said: Just raided this item from the OTHER group.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> > And I just brought up Rory's "Home Page" image on the OTHER
group.
> >
> > Like I said, no reason decent topics shouldn't be shared.
> >
> > I'll just try one last time to explain, then I'll let you
guys
> work
> > it out for yourselves. I guarantee I will not waste my time
on
> > explanations after this, so if you think the post is too long
and
> > delete it, then you choose to leave this matter unresolved.
> >
> > Jeff, if T and Rory showed up at your place while Natalie was
> > visiting and came in, said a "shit" and a "fuck" then
started
> > brawling, I imagine (if this behaviour made Natalie
> uncomfortable)
> > then you would be inspired to do something about it (unless
of
> course
> > I suggested you do someting about it, then you might let it
go
> for a>
> > while). You would have a lot of alternatives, you could ask
them
> all
> > to leave, or maybe ask Rory and T to behave themselves
because
> > Natalie is getting upset (not suggested, they will refer to
you
> as a
> > Nazi), but if your intention was to still keep all as
friends,
> but
> > not necessarily in the same room, an alternative might be
> separate
> > communications.
> >
> > That was my choice. It really is a no win situation because
of
> > course Rory and T would be dumbfounded that you don't invite
them
> > over when Natalie is around, and offended of course that you
> would
> > expect their liberal attitudes to be adapted.
> >
> > T, replace "Natalie" with "Kim Hunter" and "T" with "Jeff"
above.
> >
> > Rory, I think you know what I'm saying anyway.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

O, PO.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/1/2002 8:12:57 PM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
> > I would say you are missing the point
>
> Perhaps you were wearing a hat.
>
> I tried to let it slide.

In a message dated 12/1/02 6:50:05 PM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Oh, not a lot.

Yourself?

Michael >>

Well, I'n having a tough time with chemistery in school, but other than that,
not a lot is going on.

-Joe

Chemistry is certainly not my field.

How important is it that you succeed in chemistry?

Michael

--- In pota@y..., CheeseGOTAS@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/1/02 6:50:05 PM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
> << Oh, not a lot.
>
> Yourself?
>
> Michael >>
>
> Well, I'n having a tough time with chemistery in school, but other
than that,
> not a lot is going on.
>
> -Joe

.htmlIn a message dated 12/1/02 6:46:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Alas, it costs $ 32. Maybe a paperback will come out. I'll check the libraries. Would be an interesting addition to a POTA collection. - - - Jeff

Well, there you go then:  WE are the planet of the apes.

-- Rory<.html

POTA 2001 is the best POTA movie ever. The timeline in the original movies
is circular. Patrick's ideas are brilliant by the way.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Catch me if you....er, just kidding. This is
the real Tom.

> Yes, I did do it. I finally pushed James over the edge and turned him int=
> o a psychotic e-mail hacker/forger. Naw, I never believed he did it. By the=
> way, where is the darling forger these days? You can't invade my e-mails a=
> nymore, you creep! HAHAHA! VIOLATE ME IF YOU CAN. - - - Jeff
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 12/1/02 7:37:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I'll forward the posts to you if you like .

No, but thanks anyway.<.html

Well at least we can have a laugh about it now....seems safe out
there...but boy that was weird.

Michael

--- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
>
> POTA 2001 is the best POTA movie ever. The timeline in the
original movies
> is circular. Patrick's ideas are brilliant by the way.
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Catch me if you....er, just kidding. This
is
> the real Tom.
>
>
> > Yes, I did do it. I finally pushed James over the edge and
turned him int=
> > o a psychotic e-mail hacker/forger. Naw, I never believed he did
it. By the=
> > way, where is the darling forger these days? You can't invade my
e-mails a=
> > nymore, you creep! HAHAHA! VIOLATE ME IF YOU CAN. - - - Jeff
> >
> >

.htmlIn a message dated 12/1/02 9:31:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I thought I tried to discuss this and the message I got from you and
Rory was "see you later" (or did I misread the photo of Zira and
Cornelius waving goodbye and your subsequent response to that?). 

You see there?  Now I meant for everyone to get a kick out of posting that picture of the apes waving "bye bye" and Jeff got it and thought it was funny as I meant it to be, but I guess others weren't in the mood to find it funny.

Humor can be a dangerous thing.

-- Rory<.html

>
> > "But NOW... now we will put down our weapons..."
> >
> That is the great cop-out line of the series. Damn but they should replace
> all versions of CONQUEST with the director's cut!
>

Then it would mess up the continuity with BATTLE because there wouldn't be
any reason for humans to be living with the apes.

.htmlIn a message dated 12/1/2002 8:36:10 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

O, PO.

Now that was a good one!
I see you're getting into the spirit of things.  :)

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> In a message dated 11/30/02 11:53:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > If the group is dead, it's because of lack of participation. I did my
> > share. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
>
> Damn right you have, O High and Grand Potentate of POTADOM!
>
> -- Rory
>

Thanks to Rory we have the following nicknames.

Jeff the High Potentate
Michael the POTA Nazi
James the Email Terrorist

Maybe Rory needs a nickname next?

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It's strange but my best posts never seem to illicit any response whatsoever.  Whereas I get deluged by an off-the-cuff remark that's just a couple of lines.<.html

>
> 12/1/98: It was brought up that perhaps Taylor wasn't bothered that the a=
> pes understood English because he figured they were psychic and could read =

In the Marvel adaptation which was based on the shooting script when Taylor
claims to be from another planet Zaius asks "Then how come we both speak the
same language?". Good point! I imagine they took that out because it would
help to lesson the shock of the ending.

.htmlIn a message dated 12/1/02 10:46:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, melkor@... writes:

"But NOW... now we will put down our weapons..."
> >
> That is the great cop-out line of the series.  Damn but they should replace
> all versions of CONQUEST with the director's cut!
>

Then it would mess up the continuity with BATTLE because there wouldn't be
any reason for humans to be living with the apes.

Well, they can burn every copy of BATTLE as far as I'm concerned.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/1/02 10:50:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, melkor@... writes:

Thanks to Rory we have the following nicknames.

Jeff the High Potentate
Michael the POTA Nazi
James the Email Terrorist

Maybe Rory needs a nickname next?

Did I call James the e-mail terrorist?  Can't remember that one.

You can nickname me The Roarster!<.html

Hmmm....the Roarster? Too sweet.

Michael

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/1/02 10:50:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> melkor@e... writes:
>
>
> > Thanks to Rory we have the following nicknames.
> >
> > Jeff the High Potentate
> > Michael the POTA Nazi
> > James the Email Terrorist
> >
> > Maybe Rory needs a nickname next?
> >
> >
> Did I call James the e-mail terrorist? Can't remember that one.
>
> You can nickname me The Roarster!

> >
> > Alone among God's primates, he hunts for sport, or lust, or greed.
> PLANET; Cornelius, quoting from 29:6 of the Sacred Scrolls.
> >
> > And then God in his wrath sent the world a saviour...
> BATTLE; The Lawgiver (2670) to his congregation.
> >
> > For god's sake, wait for the Governor's signal.
> BATTLE; Mendez to Alma.
> >
> > My god it's a city of Apes!
> BENEATH; Brent to himself (or Nova).
> >
> > Am I obeying God's will or opposing it?
> ESCAPE; Hasslein to the President.
> >
> > If we knew for certain there is a god and we are going to heaven we
> would all commit suicide in order to enjoy it.
> BATTLE; Mandemus to Caesar, Virgil, & MacDonald.
>

Can anyone think of more POTA dialogue mentioning God?

This is a long post, but I think everyone will benefit from reading
it.

I got in touch with the owner of Rittenhouse Trading Cards and he is
very interested in getting fan input for the new Trading Card series.

On the "potaDG" group, we have started with discussion of Autographs
and that is a very good place to start (because we don't want any
more key players deceasing on us before they sign!).

If you are interested, please read the summary and make any comments
within the next 24 hours or so and I will then forward
reccomendations on.

Also (again, if you are interested), start thinking more generally
about other issues of the Trading Cards set and we will approach them
next.

Jeff, even if you are not interested in a new Trading Cards set, as I
have said to Rory in a private post, I look at POTA as a under-rated,
overlooked franchise because the quality of the product is so
frequently compromised (does anyone DISAGREE with this?).

The owner of Rittenhouse can also help us by asking Fox about deleted
scenes and almost ANYTHING about POTA...they will treat him seriously
because he has paid good money for the license for a card set
involving the 5 movies (and they will give him "deleted scene" photos
and information - hey, maybe this is being released with the 5 star
of Planet!?!).

Both groups (and, hopefully, people like Natalie, Bill Blake and Eric
Greene etc who Jeff can approach) could input enough to assure these
cards are an overnight sellout and confirm with this to Fox that, if
approached correctly, Planet of the Apes is still a potent
franchise. Please try to get involved, even if you are not
interested.

Here's the list:

Summary:

Actor
Charlton Heston
Lou Wagner
Norman Burton
Buck Kartalian
James Whitmore
Wright King
Linda Harrison
David Watson
Don Pedro Colley
Eldon Burke
Ricardo Montalban
Natalie Trundy
Bradford Dillman
Eric Braeden
Don Murray
Paul Williams
Bobby Porter
Austin Stoker
France Nuyen
Mort Abrahams
Dan Striepeke
Jerry Goldsmith
Tom Scott (Conquest Composer)
Leonard Rosenman
Bill Creber
Mort Abrahams
Frank Capra Jr.

I'd say #1 human is Heston, #2 Linda Harrison;

#1 Gorilla is Norman Burton (hasn't been done before, is also in TV
show and
in escape),
#2 Buck Kartalian

#1 Chimp is David Watson, #2 Bobby Porter;

#1 Chimp Female is Natalie as Lisa;

#1 Orangutan is Paul Williams, #2 James Whitmore;

#1 Beneath Mutant is Natalie ; #2 Don Pedro Colley

#1 Battle Mutant is France Nuyen

Now how to balance an equal selection from each movie? Maybe it needs
to be an 18 card autograph set!

Behind the scenes, I think Dan Striepeke, Jerry Goldsmith, Leonard
Rosenman, and Bill Creber are all valuable.....any more behind the
scenes people
around?

"TV SERIES" Regulars and Guests:

Ron Harper (Alan Virdon)
James Naughton (Pete Burke)
Booth Colman (Councillor Zaius)
Percy Rodrigues (Aboro)
David Sheiner (Dr. Zoran)
Beverly Garland (Wanda)
Pat Renella (Jason and Zon)
Norm Alden (Zako)
Martin Brooks (Dr. Leander and Commander Konag)
Ron Stein (Gorilla extra and stuntman)
Eldon Burke (Gorilla extra)
Lalo Schifrin - music for TV Series
Dean Elliot & Eric Rogers - music for Return
Dave Rodgers - Roddy's stunt double

Cartoon Return to the Planet of the Apes:

Richard Blackburn - Bill Hudson (later episodes)
Henry Corden - Urko
Philippa Harris - Zira *Possibly deceased. Hasn't worked since Return
Claudette Nevins - Judy Franklin/Nova
Austin Stoker - Jeff Carter
Tom Williams - Bill Hudson (early episodes)

I'm still not sure if TV show actors/Return voices are going to be
included.

It would also be nice to assure a balance of Human, Gorilla, Chimp,
Chimp Female, Orangutan (and maybe Beneath Mutant and Battle Mutant).

>
> In a message dated 12/1/02 10:46:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> melkor@... writes:
>
>
> > "But NOW... now we will put down our weapons..."
> > > >
> > > That is the great cop-out line of the series. Damn but they should
> > replace
> > > all versions of CONQUEST with the director's cut!
> > >
> >
> > Then it would mess up the continuity with BATTLE because there wouldn't be
> > any reason for humans to be living with the apes.
> >
> >
> Well, they can burn every copy of BATTLE as far as I'm concerned.
>
> -- Rory

Do DVD's burn? You go first and let us know how well it goes. Naturally
you'll want to toss in the TV show, the cartoons, and the other sequels into
the bonfire since the first movie is the only good one.

-Tom

Hey Tom, lay off Rory OK... :)

Michael

--- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 12/1/02 10:46:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > melkor@e... writes:
> >
> >
> > > "But NOW... now we will put down our weapons..."
> > > > >
> > > > That is the great cop-out line of the series. Damn but they
should
> > > replace
> > > > all versions of CONQUEST with the director's cut!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Then it would mess up the continuity with BATTLE because there
wouldn't be
> > > any reason for humans to be living with the apes.
> > >
> > >
> > Well, they can burn every copy of BATTLE as far as I'm concerned.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> Do DVD's burn? You go first and let us know how well it goes.
Naturally
> you'll want to toss in the TV show, the cartoons, and the other
sequels into
> the bonfire since the first movie is the only good one.
>
> -Tom

>
> JEFF COREY: Well, every country in the world has gone through these cycle=
> s...there were times of enlightenment and following the ( ) the Puritans t=
> ook over and closed the theatre. So the Hollywood blacklist was something t=

And after the Puritans banned all of Shakespeare's plays for being too lewd,
they came to the US, had a Thanksgiving feast with the Indians, shipped them
all to reservations, and took over the Republican Party.

Very topical Thanksgiving post Jeff.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Melkor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:12 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] God dialogue in the POTA universe

> >
> > Alone among God's primates, he hunts for sport, or lust, or greed.
> PLANET; Cornelius, quoting from 29:6 of the Sacred Scrolls.
> >
> > And then God in his wrath sent the world a saviour...
> BATTLE; The Lawgiver (2670) to his congregation.
> >
> > For god's sake, wait for the Governor's signal.
> BATTLE; Mendez to Alma.
> >
> > My god it's a city of Apes!
> BENEATH; Brent to himself (or Nova).
> >
> > Am I obeying God's will or opposing it?
> ESCAPE; Hasslein to the President.
> >
> > If we knew for certain there is a god and we are going to heaven we
> would all commit suicide in order to enjoy it.
> BATTLE; Mandemus to Caesar, Virgil, & MacDonald.
>

Can anyone think of more POTA dialogue mentioning God?



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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:32 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Trading Cards - Important Announcement

This is a long post, but I think everyone will benefit from reading
it.

I got in touch with the owner of Rittenhouse Trading Cards and he is
very interested in getting fan input for the new Trading Card series.

On the "potaDG" group, we have started with discussion of Autographs
and that is a very good place to start (because we don't want any
more key players deceasing on us before they sign!).

If you are interested, please read the summary and make any comments
within the next 24 hours or so and I will then forward
reccomendations on.

Also (again, if you are interested), start thinking more generally
about other issues of the Trading Cards set and we will approach them
next.

Jeff, even if you are not interested in a new Trading Cards set, as I
have said to Rory in a private post, I look at POTA as a under-rated,
overlooked franchise because the quality of the product is so
frequently compromised (does anyone DISAGREE with this?).

The owner of Rittenhouse can also help us by asking Fox about deleted
scenes and almost ANYTHING about POTA...they will treat him seriously
because he has paid good money for the license for a card set
involving the 5 movies (and they will give him "deleted scene" photos
and information - hey, maybe this is being released with the 5 star
of Planet!?!).

Both groups (and, hopefully, people like Natalie, Bill Blake and Eric
Greene etc who Jeff can approach) could input enough to assure these
cards are an overnight sellout and confirm with this to Fox that, if
approached correctly, Planet of the Apes is still a potent
franchise.  Please try to get involved, even if you are not
interested.

Here's the list:

Summary:

Actor
Charlton Heston
Lou Wagner
Norman Burton
Buck Kartalian
James Whitmore
Wright King
Linda Harrison
David Watson
Don Pedro Colley
Eldon Burke
Ricardo Montalban
Natalie Trundy
Bradford Dillman
Eric Braeden
Don Murray
Paul Williams
Bobby Porter
Austin Stoker
France Nuyen
Mort Abrahams
Dan Striepeke
Jerry Goldsmith
Tom Scott (Conquest Composer)
Leonard Rosenman
Bill Creber
Mort Abrahams
Frank Capra Jr.

I'd say #1 human is Heston, #2 Linda Harrison;

#1 Gorilla is Norman Burton (hasn't been done before, is also in TV
show and
in escape),
#2 Buck Kartalian

#1 Chimp is David Watson, #2 Bobby Porter;

#1 Chimp Female is Natalie as Lisa;

#1 Orangutan is Paul Williams, #2 James Whitmore;

#1 Beneath Mutant is Natalie ; #2 Don Pedro Colley

#1 Battle Mutant is France Nuyen

Now how to balance an equal selection from each movie? Maybe it needs
to be an 18 card autograph set!

Behind the scenes, I think Dan Striepeke, Jerry Goldsmith, Leonard
Rosenman, and Bill Creber are all valuable.....any more behind the
scenes people
around?

"TV SERIES" Regulars and Guests:

Ron Harper (Alan Virdon)
James Naughton (Pete Burke)
Booth Colman (Councillor Zaius)
Percy Rodrigues (Aboro)
David Sheiner (Dr. Zoran)
Beverly Garland (Wanda)
Pat Renella (Jason and Zon)
Norm Alden (Zako)
Martin Brooks (Dr. Leander and Commander Konag)
Ron Stein (Gorilla extra and stuntman)
Eldon Burke (Gorilla extra)
Lalo Schifrin - music for TV Series
Dean Elliot & Eric Rogers - music for Return
Dave Rodgers - Roddy's stunt double

Cartoon Return to the Planet of the Apes:

Richard Blackburn - Bill Hudson (later episodes)
Henry Corden - Urko
Philippa Harris - Zira *Possibly deceased. Hasn't worked since Return
Claudette Nevins - Judy Franklin/Nova
Austin Stoker - Jeff Carter
Tom Williams - Bill Hudson (early episodes)

I'm still not sure if TV show actors/Return voices are going to be
included.

It would also be nice to assure a balance of Human, Gorilla, Chimp,
Chimp Female, Orangutan (and maybe Beneath Mutant and Battle Mutant).




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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:32 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Trading Cards - Important Announcement

This is a long post, but I think everyone will benefit from reading
it.

I got in touch with the owner of Rittenhouse Trading Cards and he is
very interested in getting fan input for the new Trading Card series.

On the "potaDG" group, we have started with discussion of Autographs
and that is a very good place to start (because we don't want any
more key players deceasing on us before they sign!).

If you are interested, please read the summary and make any comments
within the next 24 hours or so and I will then forward
reccomendations on.

Also (again, if you are interested), start thinking more generally
about other issues of the Trading Cards set and we will approach them
next.

Jeff, even if you are not interested in a new Trading Cards set, as I
have said to Rory in a private post, I look at POTA as a under-rated,
overlooked franchise because the quality of the product is so
frequently compromised (does anyone DISAGREE with this?).

The owner of Rittenhouse can also help us by asking Fox about deleted
scenes and almost ANYTHING about POTA...they will treat him seriously
because he has paid good money for the license for a card set
involving the 5 movies (and they will give him "deleted scene" photos
and information - hey, maybe this is being released with the 5 star
of Planet!?!).

Both groups (and, hopefully, people like Natalie, Bill Blake and Eric
Greene etc who Jeff can approach) could input enough to assure these
cards are an overnight sellout and confirm with this to Fox that, if
approached correctly, Planet of the Apes is still a potent
franchise.  Please try to get involved, even if you are not
interested.

Here's the list:

Summary:

Actor
Charlton Heston
Lou Wagner
Norman Burton
Buck Kartalian
James Whitmore
Wright King
Linda Harrison
David Watson
Don Pedro Colley
Eldon Burke
Ricardo Montalban
Natalie Trundy
Bradford Dillman
Eric Braeden
Don Murray
Paul Williams
Bobby Porter
Austin Stoker
France Nuyen
Mort Abrahams
Dan Striepeke
Jerry Goldsmith
Tom Scott (Conquest Composer)
Leonard Rosenman
Bill Creber
Mort Abrahams
Frank Capra Jr.

I'd say #1 human is Heston, #2 Linda Harrison;

#1 Gorilla is Norman Burton (hasn't been done before, is also in TV
show and
in escape),
#2 Buck Kartalian

#1 Chimp is David Watson, #2 Bobby Porter;

#1 Chimp Female is Natalie as Lisa;

#1 Orangutan is Paul Williams, #2 James Whitmore;

#1 Beneath Mutant is Natalie ; #2 Don Pedro Colley

#1 Battle Mutant is France Nuyen

Now how to balance an equal selection from each movie? Maybe it needs
to be an 18 card autograph set!

Behind the scenes, I think Dan Striepeke, Jerry Goldsmith, Leonard
Rosenman, and Bill Creber are all valuable.....any more behind the
scenes people
around?

"TV SERIES" Regulars and Guests:

Ron Harper (Alan Virdon)
James Naughton (Pete Burke)
Booth Colman (Councillor Zaius)
Percy Rodrigues (Aboro)
David Sheiner (Dr. Zoran)
Beverly Garland (Wanda)
Pat Renella (Jason and Zon)
Norm Alden (Zako)
Martin Brooks (Dr. Leander and Commander Konag)
Ron Stein (Gorilla extra and stuntman)
Eldon Burke (Gorilla extra)
Lalo Schifrin - music for TV Series
Dean Elliot & Eric Rogers - music for Return
Dave Rodgers - Roddy's stunt double

Cartoon Return to the Planet of the Apes:

Richard Blackburn - Bill Hudson (later episodes)
Henry Corden - Urko
Philippa Harris - Zira *Possibly deceased. Hasn't worked since Return
Claudette Nevins - Judy Franklin/Nova
Austin Stoker - Jeff Carter
Tom Williams - Bill Hudson (early episodes)

I'm still not sure if TV show actors/Return voices are going to be
included.

It would also be nice to assure a balance of Human, Gorilla, Chimp,
Chimp Female, Orangutan (and maybe Beneath Mutant and Battle Mutant).




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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:32 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Trading Cards - Important Announcement

This is a long post, but I think everyone will benefit from reading
it.

I got in touch with the owner of Rittenhouse Trading Cards and he is
very interested in getting fan input for the new Trading Card series.

On the "potaDG" group, we have started with discussion of Autographs
and that is a very good place to start (because we don't want any
more key players deceasing on us before they sign!).

If you are interested, please read the summary and make any comments
within the next 24 hours or so and I will then forward
reccomendations on.

Also (again, if you are interested), start thinking more generally
about other issues of the Trading Cards set and we will approach them
next.

Jeff, even if you are not interested in a new Trading Cards set, as I
have said to Rory in a private post, I look at POTA as a under-rated,
overlooked franchise because the quality of the product is so
frequently compromised (does anyone DISAGREE with this?).

The owner of Rittenhouse can also help us by asking Fox about deleted
scenes and almost ANYTHING about POTA...they will treat him seriously
because he has paid good money for the license for a card set
involving the 5 movies (and they will give him "deleted scene" photos
and information - hey, maybe this is being released with the 5 star
of Planet!?!).

Both groups (and, hopefully, people like Natalie, Bill Blake and Eric
Greene etc who Jeff can approach) could input enough to assure these
cards are an overnight sellout and confirm with this to Fox that, if
approached correctly, Planet of the Apes is still a potent
franchise.  Please try to get involved, even if you are not
interested.

Here's the list:

Summary:

Actor
Charlton Heston
Lou Wagner
Norman Burton
Buck Kartalian
James Whitmore
Wright King
Linda Harrison
David Watson
Don Pedro Colley
Eldon Burke
Ricardo Montalban
Natalie Trundy
Bradford Dillman
Eric Braeden
Don Murray
Paul Williams
Bobby Porter
Austin Stoker
France Nuyen
Mort Abrahams
Dan Striepeke
Jerry Goldsmith
Tom Scott (Conquest Composer)
Leonard Rosenman
Bill Creber
Mort Abrahams
Frank Capra Jr.

I'd say #1 human is Heston, #2 Linda Harrison;

#1 Gorilla is Norman Burton (hasn't been done before, is also in TV
show and
in escape),
#2 Buck Kartalian

#1 Chimp is David Watson, #2 Bobby Porter;

#1 Chimp Female is Natalie as Lisa;

#1 Orangutan is Paul Williams, #2 James Whitmore;

#1 Beneath Mutant is Natalie ; #2 Don Pedro Colley

#1 Battle Mutant is France Nuyen

Now how to balance an equal selection from each movie? Maybe it needs
to be an 18 card autograph set!

Behind the scenes, I think Dan Striepeke, Jerry Goldsmith, Leonard
Rosenman, and Bill Creber are all valuable.....any more behind the
scenes people
around?

"TV SERIES" Regulars and Guests:

Ron Harper (Alan Virdon)
James Naughton (Pete Burke)
Booth Colman (Councillor Zaius)
Percy Rodrigues (Aboro)
David Sheiner (Dr. Zoran)
Beverly Garland (Wanda)
Pat Renella (Jason and Zon)
Norm Alden (Zako)
Martin Brooks (Dr. Leander and Commander Konag)
Ron Stein (Gorilla extra and stuntman)
Eldon Burke (Gorilla extra)
Lalo Schifrin - music for TV Series
Dean Elliot & Eric Rogers - music for Return
Dave Rodgers - Roddy's stunt double

Cartoon Return to the Planet of the Apes:

Richard Blackburn - Bill Hudson (later episodes)
Henry Corden - Urko
Philippa Harris - Zira *Possibly deceased. Hasn't worked since Return
Claudette Nevins - Judy Franklin/Nova
Austin Stoker - Jeff Carter
Tom Williams - Bill Hudson (early episodes)

I'm still not sure if TV show actors/Return voices are going to be
included.

It would also be nice to assure a balance of Human, Gorilla, Chimp,
Chimp Female, Orangutan (and maybe Beneath Mutant and Battle Mutant).




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I see how that could have been misinterpreted - I was trying very
hard to be (and stay) serious and I guess I misread the wave.

As John Cleese says in "Holy Grail" after slaying a lot of wedding
guests..."Sorry about that...I just get carried away sometimes"...

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/1/02 9:31:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > I thought I tried to discuss this and the message I got from you

and

> > Rory was "see you later" (or did I misread the photo of Zira and
> > Cornelius waving goodbye and your subsequent response to that?).
>
> You see there? Now I meant for everyone to get a kick out of

posting that

> picture of the apes waving "bye bye" and Jeff got it and thought it

was funny

> as I meant it to be, but I guess others weren't in the mood to find

it funny.

>
> Humor can be a dangerous thing.
>
> -- Rory
>

Good question.

I have actually ben hassling this guy to do a POTA set since I bought
an expensive card that was out of date, and he honoured the
redemption of it anyway.

I stopped bothering him for a while and what should happen? I get an
email that says he has the rights to the first 5 films! here it is:

scifihobby.com Today
issue: vol 1, issue 7

New License - Planet of the Apes

We are pleased to announce that we've signed a new license to produce
trading cards for the classic Planet of the Apes movies. Specific
details will be announced in the coming weeks, but we have already
acquired several original costumes from the five original films and
intend to use them for costume cards.


Steven M. Charendoff
President, Rittenhouse Archives




--- <veetus@...> wrote:

> I care about trading cards, I was just being snotty. Did the

owner say wh

> y he was interested (many consider POTA dead and buried after the

remake).

> How did the "Archive" set do? - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:32 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Trading Cards - Important

Announcement

>
>
> This is a long post, but I think everyone will benefit from

reading

> it.
>
> I got in touch with the owner of Rittenhouse Trading Cards and he

is

> very interested in getting fan input for the new Trading Card

series.

>
> On the "potaDG" group, we have started with discussion of

Autographs

> and that is a very good place to start (because we don't want any
> more key players deceasing on us before they sign!).
>
> If you are interested, please read the summary and make any

comments

> within the next 24 hours or so and I will then forward
> reccomendations on.
>
> Also (again, if you are interested), start thinking more

generally

> about other issues of the Trading Cards set and we will approach

them

> next.
>
> Jeff, even if you are not interested in a new Trading Cards set,

as I

> have said to Rory in a private post, I look at POTA as a under-

rated,

> overlooked franchise because the quality of the product is so
> frequently compromised (does anyone DISAGREE with this?).
>
> The owner of Rittenhouse can also help us by asking Fox about

deleted

> scenes and almost ANYTHING about POTA...they will treat him

seriously

> because he has paid good money for the license for a card set
> involving the 5 movies (and they will give him "deleted scene"

photos

> and information - hey, maybe this is being released with the 5

star

> of Planet!?!).
>
> Both groups (and, hopefully, people like Natalie, Bill Blake and

Eric

> Greene etc who Jeff can approach) could input enough to assure

these

> cards are an overnight sellout and confirm with this to Fox that,

if

> approached correctly, Planet of the Apes is still a potent
> franchise. Please try to get involved, even if you are not
> interested.
>
> Here's the list:
>
> Summary:
>
> Actor
> Charlton Heston
> Lou Wagner
> Norman Burton
> Buck Kartalian
> James Whitmore
> Wright King
> Linda Harrison
> David Watson
> Don Pedro Colley
> Eldon Burke
> Ricardo Montalban
> Natalie Trundy
> Bradford Dillman
> Eric Braeden
> Don Murray
> Paul Williams
> Bobby Porter
> Austin Stoker
> France Nuyen
> Mort Abrahams
> Dan Striepeke
> Jerry Goldsmith
> Tom Scott (Conquest Composer)
> Leonard Rosenman
> Bill Creber
> Mort Abrahams
> Frank Capra Jr.
>
> I'd say #1 human is Heston, #2 Linda Harrison;
>
> #1 Gorilla is Norman Burton (hasn't been done before, is also in

TV

> show and
> in escape),
> #2 Buck Kartalian
>
> #1 Chimp is David Watson, #2 Bobby Porter;
>
> #1 Chimp Female is Natalie as Lisa;
>
> #1 Orangutan is Paul Williams, #2 James Whitmore;
>
> #1 Beneath Mutant is Natalie ; #2 Don Pedro Colley
>
> #1 Battle Mutant is France Nuyen
>
> Now how to balance an equal selection from each movie? Maybe it

needs

> to be an 18 card autograph set!
>
> Behind the scenes, I think Dan Striepeke, Jerry Goldsmith,

Leonard

> Rosenman, and Bill Creber are all valuable.....any more behind

the

> scenes people
> around?
>
> "TV SERIES" Regulars and Guests:
>
> Ron Harper (Alan Virdon)
> James Naughton (Pete Burke)
> Booth Colman (Councillor Zaius)
> Percy Rodrigues (Aboro)
> David Sheiner (Dr. Zoran)
> Beverly Garland (Wanda)
> Pat Renella (Jason and Zon)
> Norm Alden (Zako)
> Martin Brooks (Dr. Leander and Commander Konag)
> Ron Stein (Gorilla extra and stuntman)
> Eldon Burke (Gorilla extra)
> Lalo Schifrin - music for TV Series
> Dean Elliot & Eric Rogers - music for Return
> Dave Rodgers - Roddy's stunt double
>
> Cartoon Return to the Planet of the Apes:
>
> Richard Blackburn - Bill Hudson (later episodes)
> Henry Corden - Urko
> Philippa Harris - Zira *Possibly deceased. Hasn't worked since

Return

> Claudette Nevins - Judy Franklin/Nova
> Austin Stoker - Jeff Carter
> Tom Williams - Bill Hudson (early episodes)
>
> I'm still not sure if TV show actors/Return voices are going to

be

> included.
>
> It would also be nice to assure a balance of Human, Gorilla,

Chimp,

> Chimp Female, Orangutan (and maybe Beneath Mutant and Battle

Mutant).

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

Service.

>

.html"And how in God's name are we to know that unless we communicate. We can speak, so I spoke". - - Zira, "Escape"
 
Zira uses "God" a lot.

See!  There's no escaping Religion & Politics when talking Apes.
Gosh Dang it!  Darn-diddley-ding-dangit All To Heck!
How's that for restraint Mikey Boy?<.html

It was actually revealed in a Simpsons episode where Ned goes nuts
that "diddly" is a curse (or swear word).

So could you please cut back on the language?

Michael

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> "And how in God's name are we to know that unless we communicate.
We can
> speak, so I spoke". - - Zira, "Escape"
>
> Zira uses "God" a lot.
>
> See! There's no escaping Religion & Politics when talking Apes.
> Gosh Dang it! Darn-diddley-ding-dangit All To Heck!
> How's that for restraint Mikey Boy?

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: whitty@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:51 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trading Cards - Important Announcement

Good question.

I have actually ben hassling this guy to do a POTA set since I bought
an expensive card that was out of date, and he honoured the
redemption of it anyway.

I stopped bothering him for a while and what should happen?  I get an
email that says he has the rights to the first 5 films!  here it is:

scifihobby.com Today
issue: vol 1, issue 7

New License - Planet of the Apes

We are pleased to announce that we've signed a new license to produce
trading cards for the classic Planet of the Apes movies. Specific
details will be announced in the coming weeks, but we have already
acquired several original costumes from the five original films and
intend to use them for costume cards.


Steven M. Charendoff
President, Rittenhouse Archives




--- <veetus@...> wrote:
>   I care about trading cards, I was just being snotty. Did the
owner say wh
> y he was interested (many consider POTA dead and buried after the
remake).
> How did the "Archive" set do? - - - Jeff
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Michael Whitty
>   To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:32 PM
>   Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Trading Cards - Important
Announcement
>
>
>   This is a long post, but I think everyone will benefit from
reading
>   it.
>
>   I got in touch with the owner of Rittenhouse Trading Cards and he
is
>   very interested in getting fan input for the new Trading Card
series.
>
>   On the "potaDG" group, we have started with discussion of
Autographs
>   and that is a very good place to start (because we don't want any
>   more key players deceasing on us before they sign!).
>
>   If you are interested, please read the summary and make any
comments
>   within the next 24 hours or so and I will then forward
>   reccomendations on.
>
>   Also (again, if you are interested), start thinking more
generally
>   about other issues of the Trading Cards set and we will approach
them
>   next.
>
>   Jeff, even if you are not interested in a new Trading Cards set,
as I
>   have said to Rory in a private post, I look at POTA as a under-
rated,
>   overlooked franchise because the quality of the product is so
>   frequently compromised (does anyone DISAGREE with this?).
>
>   The owner of Rittenhouse can also help us by asking Fox about
deleted
>   scenes and almost ANYTHING about POTA...they will treat him
seriously
>   because he has paid good money for the license for a card set
>   involving the 5 movies (and they will give him "deleted scene"
photos
>   and information - hey, maybe this is being released with the 5
star
>   of Planet!?!).
>
>   Both groups (and, hopefully, people like Natalie, Bill Blake and
Eric
>   Greene etc who Jeff can approach) could input enough to assure
these
>   cards are an overnight sellout and confirm with this to Fox that,
if
>   approached correctly, Planet of the Apes is still a potent
>   franchise.  Please try to get involved, even if you are not
>   interested.
>
>   Here's the list:
>
>   Summary:
>
>   Actor
>   Charlton Heston
>   Lou Wagner
>   Norman Burton
>   Buck Kartalian
>   James Whitmore
>   Wright King
>   Linda Harrison
>   David Watson
>   Don Pedro Colley
>   Eldon Burke
>   Ricardo Montalban
>   Natalie Trundy
>   Bradford Dillman
>   Eric Braeden
>   Don Murray
>   Paul Williams
>   Bobby Porter
>   Austin Stoker
>   France Nuyen
>   Mort Abrahams
>   Dan Striepeke
>   Jerry Goldsmith
>   Tom Scott (Conquest Composer)
>   Leonard Rosenman
>   Bill Creber
>   Mort Abrahams
>   Frank Capra Jr.
>
>   I'd say #1 human is Heston, #2 Linda Harrison;
>
>   #1 Gorilla is Norman Burton (hasn't been done before, is also in
TV
>   show and
>   in escape),
>   #2 Buck Kartalian
>
>   #1 Chimp is David Watson, #2 Bobby Porter;
>
>   #1 Chimp Female is Natalie as Lisa;
>
>   #1 Orangutan is Paul Williams, #2 James Whitmore;
>
>   #1 Beneath Mutant is Natalie ; #2 Don Pedro Colley
>
>   #1 Battle Mutant is France Nuyen
>
>   Now how to balance an equal selection from each movie? Maybe it
needs
>   to be an 18 card autograph set!
>
>   Behind the scenes, I think Dan Striepeke, Jerry Goldsmith,
Leonard
>   Rosenman, and Bill Creber are all valuable.....any more behind
the
>   scenes people
>   around?
>
>   "TV SERIES" Regulars and Guests:
>
>   Ron Harper (Alan Virdon)
>   James Naughton (Pete Burke)
>   Booth Colman (Councillor Zaius)
>   Percy Rodrigues (Aboro)
>   David Sheiner (Dr. Zoran)
>   Beverly Garland (Wanda)
>   Pat Renella (Jason and Zon)
>   Norm Alden (Zako)
>   Martin Brooks (Dr. Leander and Commander Konag)
>   Ron Stein (Gorilla extra and stuntman)
>   Eldon Burke (Gorilla extra)
>   Lalo Schifrin - music for TV Series
>   Dean Elliot & Eric Rogers - music for Return
>   Dave Rodgers - Roddy's stunt double
>
>   Cartoon Return to the Planet of the Apes:
>
>   Richard Blackburn - Bill Hudson (later episodes)
>   Henry Corden - Urko
>   Philippa Harris - Zira *Possibly deceased. Hasn't worked since
Return
>   Claudette Nevins - Judy Franklin/Nova
>   Austin Stoker - Jeff Carter
>   Tom Williams - Bill Hudson (early episodes)
>
>   I'm still not sure if TV show actors/Return voices are going to
be
>   included.
>
>   It would also be nice to assure a balance of Human, Gorilla,
Chimp,
>   Chimp Female, Orangutan (and maybe Beneath Mutant and Battle
Mutant).
>
>
>
>        
>              
>             
>       
>       
>
>   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>




Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

This is why I believe we need to help make this very successful (or
discover ourselves that we are wrong). POTA is a worthy
franchise...if the proper research, care and attention is paid to it
(and who better to assure this than the POTA fans?).

Not sure how the Archives set went...

Anyone?

Michael

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

many consider POTA dead and buried after the remake). How did
the "Archive" set do? - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:32 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Trading Cards - Important
Announcement
>
>
> This is a long post, but I think everyone will benefit from
reading
> it.
>
> I got in touch with the owner of Rittenhouse Trading Cards and he
is
> very interested in getting fan input for the new Trading Card
series.
>
> On the "potaDG" group, we have started with discussion of
Autographs
> and that is a very good place to start (because we don't want any
> more key players deceasing on us before they sign!).
>
> If you are interested, please read the summary and make any
comments
> within the next 24 hours or so and I will then forward
> reccomendations on.
>
> Also (again, if you are interested), start thinking more
generally
> about other issues of the Trading Cards set and we will approach
them
> next.
>
> Jeff, even if you are not interested in a new Trading Cards set,
as I
> have said to Rory in a private post, I look at POTA as a under-
rated,
> overlooked franchise because the quality of the product is so
> frequently compromised (does anyone DISAGREE with this?).
>
> The owner of Rittenhouse can also help us by asking Fox about
deleted
> scenes and almost ANYTHING about POTA...they will treat him
seriously
> because he has paid good money for the license for a card set
> involving the 5 movies (and they will give him "deleted scene"
photos
> and information - hey, maybe this is being released with the 5
star
> of Planet!?!).
>
> Both groups (and, hopefully, people like Natalie, Bill Blake and
Eric
> Greene etc who Jeff can approach) could input enough to assure
these
> cards are an overnight sellout and confirm with this to Fox that,
if
> approached correctly, Planet of the Apes is still a potent
> franchise. Please try to get involved, even if you are not
> interested.
>
> Here's the list:
>
> Summary:
>
> Actor
> Charlton Heston
> Lou Wagner
> Norman Burton
> Buck Kartalian
> James Whitmore
> Wright King
> Linda Harrison
> David Watson
> Don Pedro Colley
> Eldon Burke
> Ricardo Montalban
> Natalie Trundy
> Bradford Dillman
> Eric Braeden
> Don Murray
> Paul Williams
> Bobby Porter
> Austin Stoker
> France Nuyen
> Mort Abrahams
> Dan Striepeke
> Jerry Goldsmith
> Tom Scott (Conquest Composer)
> Leonard Rosenman
> Bill Creber
> Mort Abrahams
> Frank Capra Jr.
>
> I'd say #1 human is Heston, #2 Linda Harrison;
>
> #1 Gorilla is Norman Burton (hasn't been done before, is also in
TV
> show and
> in escape),
> #2 Buck Kartalian
>
> #1 Chimp is David Watson, #2 Bobby Porter;
>
> #1 Chimp Female is Natalie as Lisa;
>
> #1 Orangutan is Paul Williams, #2 James Whitmore;
>
> #1 Beneath Mutant is Natalie ; #2 Don Pedro Colley
>
> #1 Battle Mutant is France Nuyen
>
> Now how to balance an equal selection from each movie? Maybe it
needs
> to be an 18 card autograph set!
>
> Behind the scenes, I think Dan Striepeke, Jerry Goldsmith,
Leonard
> Rosenman, and Bill Creber are all valuable.....any more behind
the
> scenes people
> around?
>
> "TV SERIES" Regulars and Guests:
>
> Ron Harper (Alan Virdon)
> James Naughton (Pete Burke)
> Booth Colman (Councillor Zaius)
> Percy Rodrigues (Aboro)
> David Sheiner (Dr. Zoran)
> Beverly Garland (Wanda)
> Pat Renella (Jason and Zon)
> Norm Alden (Zako)
> Martin Brooks (Dr. Leander and Commander Konag)
> Ron Stein (Gorilla extra and stuntman)
> Eldon Burke (Gorilla extra)
> Lalo Schifrin - music for TV Series
> Dean Elliot & Eric Rogers - music for Return
> Dave Rodgers - Roddy's stunt double
>
> Cartoon Return to the Planet of the Apes:
>
> Richard Blackburn - Bill Hudson (later episodes)
> Henry Corden - Urko
> Philippa Harris - Zira *Possibly deceased. Hasn't worked since
Return
> Claudette Nevins - Judy Franklin/Nova
> Austin Stoker - Jeff Carter
> Tom Williams - Bill Hudson (early episodes)
>
> I'm still not sure if TV show actors/Return voices are going to
be
> included.
>
> It would also be nice to assure a balance of Human, Gorilla,
Chimp,
> Chimp Female, Orangutan (and maybe Beneath Mutant and Battle
Mutant).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

Thanks Jeff, this is gold.

The idea here is to submit a plan with backup...eg "If you can't get
Taylor, get Linda because.....".

I think Natalie is actually the most important stakeholder alive.
She has been in all movies but the first and...well, as you know, was
Arthur's wife etc. Invaluable.

But I am thinking this set will be 9 or 18 cards.

He has already stated he will be chasing Heston hard (although I have
heard Heston is rfusing to sign...but maybe for the right price he
might just do 10 and there will be a SUPER RARE autograph...?

I think with 9 cards there dhould be a balance of each of the 5
movies (actors) with equal weighting of human, orang, chimp, gorilla
+ one other (child ape, female ape) then 4 behind the scenes
(composer, director, etc.) or maybe just 3 and one of Natalie with
the 4 characters she played.

I think if he can't get heston he could go for Montalban as the
human, Paul Williams is a must for an Orang, Bobby Porter as a chimp,
I guess Buck as a gorilla (but, like you said, would they/we want to
repeat?), Jerry Goldsmith for sure. There's still some gaps.

Not sure about the TV show but let's give him a list in case
(probably emhasise the crossovers who did TV and the movie/s).

Michael

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> These are for autographs? Linda Harrison, Natalie, Buck, Don
Pedro (and who else?) did the "Archives" autographs. I don't know if
they'd want to repeat them. Tell the owner if he wants Natalie I can
get him in touch with her. She's hard to find right now. Linda and
Heston autographed the new movie set. (Linda's autograph is getting
very common). Heston is always a draw. Montalban would be too.
There's usually only 5 or 6 autograph cards in a set. Is he even
interested in the TV show? I think Buck as Julius is the most
recognizable gorilla (Ursus and Urko, Aldo are all dead). I don't
think they want cameos like Norman Burton. Bobby Porter would be
good. The "family" portrait is recognizable. If they want a makeup
guy, Dan Streipeke. Or Ken Chase, who did Evans' Zauis (a Chase card!
AH HA HA!). Booth Colman is popular at shows. Paul Williams, a good
orang. Jerry Goldsmith, everyone knows him. As far as I know, the
people you mentioned are all living. You might mention people know
the TV show now because of the DVDs. Naughton would be popular but
probably wouldn't do it. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:32 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Trading Cards - Important
Announcement
>
>
> This is a long post, but I think everyone will benefit from
reading
> it.
>
> I got in touch with the owner of Rittenhouse Trading Cards and he
is
> very interested in getting fan input for the new Trading Card
series.
>
> On the "potaDG" group, we have started with discussion of
Autographs
> and that is a very good place to start (because we don't want any
> more key players deceasing on us before they sign!).
>
> If you are interested, please read the summary and make any
comments
> within the next 24 hours or so and I will then forward
> reccomendations on.
>
> Also (again, if you are interested), start thinking more
generally
> about other issues of the Trading Cards set and we will approach
them
> next.
>
> Jeff, even if you are not interested in a new Trading Cards set,
as I
> have said to Rory in a private post, I look at POTA as a under-
rated,
> overlooked franchise because the quality of the product is so
> frequently compromised (does anyone DISAGREE with this?).
>
> The owner of Rittenhouse can also help us by asking Fox about
deleted
> scenes and almost ANYTHING about POTA...they will treat him
seriously
> because he has paid good money for the license for a card set
> involving the 5 movies (and they will give him "deleted scene"
photos
> and information - hey, maybe this is being released with the 5
star
> of Planet!?!).
>
> Both groups (and, hopefully, people like Natalie, Bill Blake and
Eric
> Greene etc who Jeff can approach) could input enough to assure
these
> cards are an overnight sellout and confirm with this to Fox that,
if
> approached correctly, Planet of the Apes is still a potent
> franchise. Please try to get involved, even if you are not
> interested.
>
> Here's the list:
>
> Summary:
>
> Actor
> Charlton Heston
> Lou Wagner
> Norman Burton
> Buck Kartalian
> James Whitmore
> Wright King
> Linda Harrison
> David Watson
> Don Pedro Colley
> Eldon Burke
> Ricardo Montalban
> Natalie Trundy
> Bradford Dillman
> Eric Braeden
> Don Murray
> Paul Williams
> Bobby Porter
> Austin Stoker
> France Nuyen
> Mort Abrahams
> Dan Striepeke
> Jerry Goldsmith
> Tom Scott (Conquest Composer)
> Leonard Rosenman
> Bill Creber
> Mort Abrahams
> Frank Capra Jr.
>
> I'd say #1 human is Heston, #2 Linda Harrison;
>
> #1 Gorilla is Norman Burton (hasn't been done before, is also in
TV
> show and
> in escape),
> #2 Buck Kartalian
>
> #1 Chimp is David Watson, #2 Bobby Porter;
>
> #1 Chimp Female is Natalie as Lisa;
>
> #1 Orangutan is Paul Williams, #2 James Whitmore;
>
> #1 Beneath Mutant is Natalie ; #2 Don Pedro Colley
>
> #1 Battle Mutant is France Nuyen
>
> Now how to balance an equal selection from each movie? Maybe it
needs
> to be an 18 card autograph set!
>
> Behind the scenes, I think Dan Striepeke, Jerry Goldsmith,
Leonard
> Rosenman, and Bill Creber are all valuable.....any more behind
the
> scenes people
> around?
>
> "TV SERIES" Regulars and Guests:
>
> Ron Harper (Alan Virdon)
> James Naughton (Pete Burke)
> Booth Colman (Councillor Zaius)
> Percy Rodrigues (Aboro)
> David Sheiner (Dr. Zoran)
> Beverly Garland (Wanda)
> Pat Renella (Jason and Zon)
> Norm Alden (Zako)
> Martin Brooks (Dr. Leander and Commander Konag)
> Ron Stein (Gorilla extra and stuntman)
> Eldon Burke (Gorilla extra)
> Lalo Schifrin - music for TV Series
> Dean Elliot & Eric Rogers - music for Return
> Dave Rodgers - Roddy's stunt double
>
> Cartoon Return to the Planet of the Apes:
>
> Richard Blackburn - Bill Hudson (later episodes)
> Henry Corden - Urko
> Philippa Harris - Zira *Possibly deceased. Hasn't worked since
Return
> Claudette Nevins - Judy Franklin/Nova
> Austin Stoker - Jeff Carter
> Tom Williams - Bill Hudson (early episodes)
>
> I'm still not sure if TV show actors/Return voices are going to
be
> included.
>
> It would also be nice to assure a balance of Human, Gorilla,
Chimp,
> Chimp Female, Orangutan (and maybe Beneath Mutant and Battle
Mutant).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

If this set is a success you can bet we'll see the TV series cards
Inkworks promised and Return too probably!

Michael

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Lou Wagner and James Whitmore would also be good. People would be
more interested in the first movie. And Bradford Dillman. Who's Dave
Rodgers? Ron Stein was Roddy's TV double. I'd love to see some
cartoon show cards. End of report. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:32 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Trading Cards - Important
Announcement
>
>
> This is a long post, but I think everyone will benefit from
reading
> it.
>
> I got in touch with the owner of Rittenhouse Trading Cards and he
is
> very interested in getting fan input for the new Trading Card
series.
>
> On the "potaDG" group, we have started with discussion of
Autographs
> and that is a very good place to start (because we don't want any
> more key players deceasing on us before they sign!).
>
> If you are interested, please read the summary and make any
comments
> within the next 24 hours or so and I will then forward
> reccomendations on.
>
> Also (again, if you are interested), start thinking more
generally
> about other issues of the Trading Cards set and we will approach
them
> next.
>
> Jeff, even if you are not interested in a new Trading Cards set,
as I
> have said to Rory in a private post, I look at POTA as a under-
rated,
> overlooked franchise because the quality of the product is so
> frequently compromised (does anyone DISAGREE with this?).
>
> The owner of Rittenhouse can also help us by asking Fox about
deleted
> scenes and almost ANYTHING about POTA...they will treat him
seriously
> because he has paid good money for the license for a card set
> involving the 5 movies (and they will give him "deleted scene"
photos
> and information - hey, maybe this is being released with the 5
star
> of Planet!?!).
>
> Both groups (and, hopefully, people like Natalie, Bill Blake and
Eric
> Greene etc who Jeff can approach) could input enough to assure
these
> cards are an overnight sellout and confirm with this to Fox that,
if
> approached correctly, Planet of the Apes is still a potent
> franchise. Please try to get involved, even if you are not
> interested.
>
> Here's the list:
>
> Summary:
>
> Actor
> Charlton Heston
> Lou Wagner
> Norman Burton
> Buck Kartalian
> James Whitmore
> Wright King
> Linda Harrison
> David Watson
> Don Pedro Colley
> Eldon Burke
> Ricardo Montalban
> Natalie Trundy
> Bradford Dillman
> Eric Braeden
> Don Murray
> Paul Williams
> Bobby Porter
> Austin Stoker
> France Nuyen
> Mort Abrahams
> Dan Striepeke
> Jerry Goldsmith
> Tom Scott (Conquest Composer)
> Leonard Rosenman
> Bill Creber
> Mort Abrahams
> Frank Capra Jr.
>
> I'd say #1 human is Heston, #2 Linda Harrison;
>
> #1 Gorilla is Norman Burton (hasn't been done before, is also in
TV
> show and
> in escape),
> #2 Buck Kartalian
>
> #1 Chimp is David Watson, #2 Bobby Porter;
>
> #1 Chimp Female is Natalie as Lisa;
>
> #1 Orangutan is Paul Williams, #2 James Whitmore;
>
> #1 Beneath Mutant is Natalie ; #2 Don Pedro Colley
>
> #1 Battle Mutant is France Nuyen
>
> Now how to balance an equal selection from each movie? Maybe it
needs
> to be an 18 card autograph set!
>
> Behind the scenes, I think Dan Striepeke, Jerry Goldsmith,
Leonard
> Rosenman, and Bill Creber are all valuable.....any more behind
the
> scenes people
> around?
>
> "TV SERIES" Regulars and Guests:
>
> Ron Harper (Alan Virdon)
> James Naughton (Pete Burke)
> Booth Colman (Councillor Zaius)
> Percy Rodrigues (Aboro)
> David Sheiner (Dr. Zoran)
> Beverly Garland (Wanda)
> Pat Renella (Jason and Zon)
> Norm Alden (Zako)
> Martin Brooks (Dr. Leander and Commander Konag)
> Ron Stein (Gorilla extra and stuntman)
> Eldon Burke (Gorilla extra)
> Lalo Schifrin - music for TV Series
> Dean Elliot & Eric Rogers - music for Return
> Dave Rodgers - Roddy's stunt double
>
> Cartoon Return to the Planet of the Apes:
>
> Richard Blackburn - Bill Hudson (later episodes)
> Henry Corden - Urko
> Philippa Harris - Zira *Possibly deceased. Hasn't worked since
Return
> Claudette Nevins - Judy Franklin/Nova
> Austin Stoker - Jeff Carter
> Tom Williams - Bill Hudson (early episodes)
>
> I'm still not sure if TV show actors/Return voices are going to
be
> included.
>
> It would also be nice to assure a balance of Human, Gorilla,
Chimp,
> Chimp Female, Orangutan (and maybe Beneath Mutant and Battle
Mutant).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

They did do Farscape.

Also Star Trek, James Bond and the Twilight Zone!

Michael

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I hear the domestic Kubricks did well and that's why the POTA2001
Kubricks are being released. There's still an interest, maybe people
who learned about the originals or watched them for the first time
because of the new movie hype. And those people weren't into it when
the "Archive" cards came out. They did "Farscape" cards, right? So
they're more fan-oriented than Topps. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: whitty@c...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Trading Cards - Important
Announcement
>
>
> Good question.
>
> I have actually ben hassling this guy to do a POTA set since I
bought
> an expensive card that was out of date, and he honoured the
> redemption of it anyway.
>
> I stopped bothering him for a while and what should happen? I
get an
> email that says he has the rights to the first 5 films! here it
is:
>
> scifihobby.com Today
> issue: vol 1, issue 7
>
> New License - Planet of the Apes
>
> We are pleased to announce that we've signed a new license to
produce
> trading cards for the classic Planet of the Apes movies. Specific
> details will be announced in the coming weeks, but we have
already
> acquired several original costumes from the five original films
and
> intend to use them for costume cards.
>
>
> Steven M. Charendoff
> President, Rittenhouse Archives
>
>
>
>
> --- <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > I care about trading cards, I was just being snotty. Did the
> owner say wh
> > y he was interested (many consider POTA dead and buried after
the
> remake).
> > How did the "Archive" set do? - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Whitty
> > To: pota@y...
> > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:32 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Trading Cards - Important
> Announcement
> >
> >
> > This is a long post, but I think everyone will benefit from
> reading
> > it.
> >
> > I got in touch with the owner of Rittenhouse Trading Cards
and he
> is
> > very interested in getting fan input for the new Trading Card
> series.
> >
> > On the "potaDG" group, we have started with discussion of
> Autographs
> > and that is a very good place to start (because we don't want
any
> > more key players deceasing on us before they sign!).
> >
> > If you are interested, please read the summary and make any
> comments
> > within the next 24 hours or so and I will then forward
> > reccomendations on.
> >
> > Also (again, if you are interested), start thinking more
> generally
> > about other issues of the Trading Cards set and we will
approach
> them
> > next.
> >
> > Jeff, even if you are not interested in a new Trading Cards
set,
> as I
> > have said to Rory in a private post, I look at POTA as a
under-
> rated,
> > overlooked franchise because the quality of the product is so
> > frequently compromised (does anyone DISAGREE with this?).
> >
> > The owner of Rittenhouse can also help us by asking Fox about
> deleted
> > scenes and almost ANYTHING about POTA...they will treat him
> seriously
> > because he has paid good money for the license for a card set
> > involving the 5 movies (and they will give him "deleted
scene"
> photos
> > and information - hey, maybe this is being released with the
5
> star
> > of Planet!?!).
> >
> > Both groups (and, hopefully, people like Natalie, Bill Blake
and
> Eric
> > Greene etc who Jeff can approach) could input enough to
assure
> these
> > cards are an overnight sellout and confirm with this to Fox
that,
> if
> > approached correctly, Planet of the Apes is still a potent
> > franchise. Please try to get involved, even if you are not
> > interested.
> >
> > Here's the list:
> >
> > Summary:
> >
> > Actor
> > Charlton Heston
> > Lou Wagner
> > Norman Burton
> > Buck Kartalian
> > James Whitmore
> > Wright King
> > Linda Harrison
> > David Watson
> > Don Pedro Colley
> > Eldon Burke
> > Ricardo Montalban
> > Natalie Trundy
> > Bradford Dillman
> > Eric Braeden
> > Don Murray
> > Paul Williams
> > Bobby Porter
> > Austin Stoker
> > France Nuyen
> > Mort Abrahams
> > Dan Striepeke
> > Jerry Goldsmith
> > Tom Scott (Conquest Composer)
> > Leonard Rosenman
> > Bill Creber
> > Mort Abrahams
> > Frank Capra Jr.
> >
> > I'd say #1 human is Heston, #2 Linda Harrison;
> >
> > #1 Gorilla is Norman Burton (hasn't been done before, is also
in
> TV
> > show and
> > in escape),
> > #2 Buck Kartalian
> >
> > #1 Chimp is David Watson, #2 Bobby Porter;
> >
> > #1 Chimp Female is Natalie as Lisa;
> >
> > #1 Orangutan is Paul Williams, #2 James Whitmore;
> >
> > #1 Beneath Mutant is Natalie ; #2 Don Pedro Colley
> >
> > #1 Battle Mutant is France Nuyen
> >
> > Now how to balance an equal selection from each movie? Maybe
it
> needs
> > to be an 18 card autograph set!
> >
> > Behind the scenes, I think Dan Striepeke, Jerry Goldsmith,
> Leonard
> > Rosenman, and Bill Creber are all valuable.....any more
behind
> the
> > scenes people
> > around?
> >
> > "TV SERIES" Regulars and Guests:
> >
> > Ron Harper (Alan Virdon)
> > James Naughton (Pete Burke)
> > Booth Colman (Councillor Zaius)
> > Percy Rodrigues (Aboro)
> > David Sheiner (Dr. Zoran)
> > Beverly Garland (Wanda)
> > Pat Renella (Jason and Zon)
> > Norm Alden (Zako)
> > Martin Brooks (Dr. Leander and Commander Konag)
> > Ron Stein (Gorilla extra and stuntman)
> > Eldon Burke (Gorilla extra)
> > Lalo Schifrin - music for TV Series
> > Dean Elliot & Eric Rogers - music for Return
> > Dave Rodgers - Roddy's stunt double
> >
> > Cartoon Return to the Planet of the Apes:
> >
> > Richard Blackburn - Bill Hudson (later episodes)
> > Henry Corden - Urko
> > Philippa Harris - Zira *Possibly deceased. Hasn't worked
since
> Return
> > Claudette Nevins - Judy Franklin/Nova
> > Austin Stoker - Jeff Carter
> > Tom Williams - Bill Hudson (early episodes)
> >
> > I'm still not sure if TV show actors/Return voices are going
to
> be
> > included.
> >
> > It would also be nice to assure a balance of Human, Gorilla,
> Chimp,
> > Chimp Female, Orangutan (and maybe Beneath Mutant and Battle
> Mutant).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

It has come to my attention that a comment I made recently has upset
at least one member of this board.

When joining POTAdg I introduced myself by comparing this board to a
school of Piranhas. That was wrong of me, I shouldn't have said it and
I apologise.

The comment was not directed at any one individual, least of all Jeff
Kruger.

Jeff, you were the only reason I continued to subscribe to the old
`Ape chronicles', a major reason why I would consider subscribing to
the (hopefully)new one and a significant reason why I remained (as a
lurker) on this group for so long. You are a man of honesty,
generousity and integrity and it grieves me that I've pissed you off.

It seemed to me that the overall `mood' of this board had been
generally negative for a very long time. When I used the phrase
`piranhas' I was referring to a kind of group `mentality' that WE (I
include myself by lack of action) seemed to have created. An
enviroment where anyone who steps forward with an observation or topic
for discussion is basically setting themselves up for ridicule, slurs
and insults.

Now, I accept that the majority may very well enjoy this kind of
exchange - with the total freedom to say whatever they want, however
hurtful or insulting - I do not. (nor did I remain silent on this
issue, I did mention it some time ago.)

It seems foolish to me too that there are two boards with each member
no doubt peeking at the affairs of the other to see what's going on,
if anyone has a workable resolution I'd be happy to go along with it.

Anyway, once again to all concerned I sincerely apologise for any hurt
feelings my Piranha statement may have caused.

Dav

This one's for T...

From the British Press:

KIM HUNTER


Kim Hunter won an Oscar when she and Marlon Brando recreated their
stage roles in the powerful 1951 film version of A Streetcar Named
Desire. But in later life the bulk of her fan mail was for a film in
which her features were hidden behind make-up - Planet of the Apes.

Like so many actors and actresses of her generation, Hunterís screen
career was blighted by the anti-Communist witch hunts of the 1950s
when she was blacklisted. She never really embraced Hollywood and
died on Wednesday at home in Greenwich Village, New York, aged 79.

For an actress, she was unusually modest, sensitive, and some might
say highly-strung, though she always seemed happy to chat with fans
and reply to letters. ìI would say 99% of my fan mail comes from
people who are talking about apesî, she told me last year while I was
researching a book on Planet of the Apes. She often received
photographs of herself as a chimpanzee to autograph. ìIt doesnít
bother me ... Thatís the film that they just adored.î.

Hunter was born Janet Cole, in Detroit, on November 12, 1922. Her
mother was a concert pianist. She recalled a lonely childhood,
picking characters out of books, pretending they were her friends, and
acting out little scenes with them in front of the mirror. She made
her stage debut in her teens and her film debut in the 1943 thriller
The Seventh Victim, in which she stumbles upon a group of
devil-worshippers in New York. A couple of years later she was
reduced to acting out Ingrid Bergmanís lines opposite actresses
auditioning for minor roles in Alfred Hitchcockís Spellbound. It was
Hitch who recommended her as female lead in the English classic A
Matter of Life and Death aka Stairway to Heaven, (1946). ìSensible,
pretty, could be the girl next door, can act, good voice, good legsî,
he told Director Michael Powell.

Hunter played an American wireless operator and David Niven was the
RAF pilot who falls in love with her voice, subsequently arguing with
a heavenly court that his love be given a chance. Back in the US she
landed the role of Stanley Kowalskis much put-upon wife Stella in the
original stage production of A Streetcar Named Desire (1947-49). The
Kowalskis live in the French quarter of New Orleans. Their lives are
disrupted by the arrival of Stellaís sister, Blanche DuBois, a faded
southern belle played by Jessica Tandy. Brando and Hunter were part
of the Actors Studio, the famous New York establishment that pioneered
ìmethodî acting in American movies and plays, the approach in which
the actor seeks to become, rather than simply play a character. The
immediacy and intensity of the action and the passion of Tennessee
Williamsís drama had a huge impact on theatre audiences.

Brando had difficult relationships with many co-stars, but got on well
with Hunter, nursing her through various personal crises, a recurring
feature in her life. Hunter had married William Baldwin in 1944, with
whom she had a daughter, but they divorced a couple of years later.
She would later marry actor and producer Robert Emett and they had a
son. After a long run, the producers were lining up new actors for
Streetcar. Hunter knew her understudy, Carmelita Pope, was going to
be overlooked. ìYouíll never get the part when I leave unless they
see you do it,î Hunter told her. Hunter faked illness to give the
young actress her break.

Jack Warner did not want Hunter, Tandy or Karl Malden in the film,
dismissing Hunter as ìa negative screen personalityî. Director Elia
Kazan agreed to accept Gone With the Windís Vivien Leigh as Blanche,
but successfully held out for Hunter and Malden. Curiously, Brando,
the man who virtually reinvented the craft of acting, was the only one
of the four principals not to win an Academy Award.

It should have been the perfect springboard to movie fame and fortune
for Hunter, but she lacked the sexuality of rivals and found it
difficult to secure good leading roles. She was the estranged wife of
crusading newspaper editor Humphrey Bogart in Deadline USA (1952), and
Russian emigrant Jose Ferrerís wife in Anything Can Happen (1952).
Her career stalled when her name appeared on one of the Hollywood
blacklists for no other reason than a naive sense of social justice
and attendance at a few meetings. She made very few major films in
the decade preceding Planet of the Apes (1968), in which Charlton
Heston crash lands on an unfamiliar planet where apes rule and humans
are hunted. She got the role of the sympathetic chimp scientist Zira
only after Julie Harris balked at the arduous make-up process.

Valium helped Hunter to overcome feelings of claustrophobia during the
four-hour sessions. Producer Mort Abrahams recalled her first day:
ìShe ran to me and threw her arms around me and cried and cried. She
could not adjust at that moment to what was going on with her visage.î
Planet of the Apes may have seemed like wacky fantasy-adventure, but
Hunter studied chimp behaviour at Bronx Zoo to get into character.
She went on to play Zira in two sequels and appeared in numerous
television shows.

Ultimately she made three classic films in three different decades,
but the feeling remains that it could have been more, had she shown
the ruthlessness that took others to the top.

Kim

I do have one suggestion.

The "Mego" group have established some ground rules and they are quite
interesting.

I suggest we look at them and consider (attached below).

Of course, if the majority of people on this group don't want rules, then I
think the current set up can work harmoniously still, but there would be
less restrictions over here (like the "M" rated group).

I don't really think having two boards is a problem (like I said, there is a
Time of the Apes group too and there are many other groups), but if it
causes more trouble than good I will consider anything (oh boy, I'm wide
open saying this!..).

My ULTIMATE goal is to be part of an EFFECTIVE network of POTA fans who
discuss POTA. If it takes 5 groups to do this, then so be it.

The attachment is lengthy, but I think worth discussing.

My only comment is that I really think the OT stuff needs to stop for the
sake of keeping new members who may see 10 OT posts when they join then send
a "GET ME OFF THIS LIST!!!" message.

Also, I am not being territorial here (promise!), but moderators are an
important part of a group and unless MFLuder hands over the keys to someone,
we need to hike over to the POTAdg or all start a THIRD group and all
migrate to the "promised land" over there (religion is ON topic, right?).

ATTACHMENT:

Rules, Guidelines, and Just Plain Good Ideas 1.1
Copyright (c) 2000,2001, Joe DeRouen
All rights reserved

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mego

The mego@yahoogroups.com mailing list has been going strong since March of
2000 and is, at last count, over 120 members strong. Thanks for joining
us! We're sure you'll enjoy many hours of fun sharing stories and
discussing Megos, trading with other collectors, and getting to know the
other members of the list, just like we have.

Please save this letter. It covers etiquette for the list, information
on posting your stories, and much more. If you save this letter now,
you'll thank yourself later - and so will we!

Joe DeRouen is the list owner and one of three moderators. Scott
"Scooby" Rogers and Keene Silfer are the other two moderators. There
are also many other "regular people" on the list willing to help out as
well if you have questions. Don't hesitate to ask!

First, here are the addresses that you'll need to know:

mego@yahoogroups.com to post to the list
mego-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to subscribe
mego-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com to unsubscribe

jderouen@... for questions about this list
Scott6089@... for questions about this list
krs7@... for questions about this list

The following guide is in two parts: "Mego Specific Etiquette"
and "General Rules of Etiquette". Please read both.


Part One: Mego Specific Etiquette
---------------------------------

1) Buying, Selling, and Trading on the List

We have one designated trade day each week: Wednesday, Wednesday, and
only Wednesday. Get the idea? We call Wednesday the Flea Market day.
Please don't try to sell, buy, or trade through the list on any other
day than Wednesday. You may post your lists of items you're looking
for or have up for trade/sell at any time between midnight Tuesday
night and midnight Wednesday night, in whatever time zone you're in.

2) Don't Brag About Your Collection

Why make your fellow collectors feel bad? By all means, post pictures
of your Megos. Be proud of your collection! But don't make fun of the
new guy on the list that's still looking for a loose 8" Spiderman.

2.1) Bragging

I realize that "bragging" can be intrepreted several different
ways. I don't in any way, shape, or form want to prevent list
members from showing off their collection. Just use common
sense.

3) Don't Cheat Your Fellow List Members

If you set up a trade with a fellow list member, follow through on
it. Mistakes can happen and people can be slow (I've been one of the
slowest at times!) but you need to ultimately follow through on your
obligations.

3.1) Another List Member Owes You Something

If someone owes you something in trade, or the item you got in trade
wasn't what you thought it was, try your dead-level best to resolve
the situation in private. Don't bring it to the group. If all else
fails, write one of the three moderators (see the start of this
document) and we'll do our best to help you work things out.

4) Off-Topic Talking

While this list is for and about Megos and the people who collect
them, we all will, upon occasion, lapse into conversation which has
nothing to do with our favorite action figure. This is normal and
even encouraged to a degree. However, if you're posting something
that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Megos, please put
"OT: <topic>" in the subject line of your message. This way,
subscribers to the list who don't want to read anything that doesn't
have to do with Megos can have the choice of simply deleting your
message upon receipt.


5) Have Fun!

Have fun and get to know one another and enjoy this list! This list
is for talking about Megos, trading Megos, and (almost) everything
else the members want it to be for. I love the sense of community
that this list has created - and I've made several friends because of
this list! - which, to me, is more valuable than any any action
figure could ever be.


Part Two: General Rules of Etiquette
------------------------------------

1) Spam

Spam is Internet Speak for unnecessary messages or parts of a message
posted to Usenet, a mailing list or sent directly through e-mail. In
general, people don't like spam, and those sending spam on a
consistent basis will find that dislike directed towards them as
well.

1.1) Quoting

Quoting a message is very useful when communicating in a mailing
list, and it can be done quite stylishly.

Do not, however, quote entire messages. Ever. There is never a
need to quote an entire message. Just quote the minimum amount
possible to make your reply understandable. There's nothing
worse than getting a message with 40 lines of quote and three
lines of new material way down at the bottom. It looks bad,
makes your message much more difficult to read and wastes
bandwidth. Quoting 40 unnecessary lines in a message, besides
looking terrible, translates to 4,000 un-necessary lines across
a 100 member e-mail list!

When replying to a message, it is proper to quote a small
portion of the other message so that others will be able to
follow the thread. It is not necessary, nor is it desirable to
quote an entire message, or too large a portion of an original
message. It is considered the height of bad form to quote an
entire message of perhaps 50 lines, than add a small reply like,
"I agree." Generally quote only a small significant part of the
original message. NEVER quote any part of the original poster's
SIGNATURE file. Messages are often killed by the majordomo for
repetive over-quoting.

1.2) Signature Files

Many people add a SIGNATURE file at the end of each of their
messages. It's a great way to get your contact info out in
front of others. Feel free to place your name, e-mail
address, web URL, or whatever in your Signature file. Just
don't over do it. SIGNATURES must be 4 lines or less.

1.3) Private Replies

If a private reply is warranted, make the reply private; don't
spam the list with information that only two people will care
about or understand.

1.4) Unsubscribe Messages

If you want to unsubscribe, DON'T post a message to the entire
list asking how. Visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mego and
unsubscribe from there.

2) Flames

A flame is essentially a personal attack directed at an individual or
a group through the use of a mailing list, newsgroup, or e-mail.
People who flames others on a consistent basis will eventually find
themselves expelled from the mego@yahoogroups.com Mailing List.

2.1) Flaming

Don't flame people. Arguing is fine, up to a point. When the
insults start flying, though, then it's time to stop. Period.

As with most other newsgroups, and lists, flaming or personal
attacks will not be allowed and you will be directed to take
such to private e-mail with the parties involved.

However, there is often a mis-understanding of what a flame
actually is. A flame is a PERSONAL attack on another, such as,
"You're a real jerk!" (or worse). A flame is NOT a strong
disagreement with another's position, such as "I think you're
wrong about that. Maybe you need to recheck your facts."

It is hoped that everyone will always treat each other with
dignity and respect, but if you really find someone's posts
distasteful even though they stay within the list rules, then
simply ignore them. Most mail programs have filters. Put the
person's name in your filter list to immediately transfer their
messages to your trash folder, and you'll be forever free from
seeing their posts.

3) General List Rules

The mego@yahoogroups.com Mailing List is pretty liberal insofar as rules
go, but the ones we do have must be followed. Remember, your words
are representative of yourself. If you want people to have a
positive image of you, you have to work to present that positive
image.

3.1) Too Much Mail?

Don't complain about seeing too much mail show up in your
mailbox. That's what this list is for. If you're getting too
much e-mail, you have three options.

1) Unsubscribe (Bad option! Please don't go!)
2) Switch to Digest Mode
3) Read messages at the website

Switching to digest mode will allow you to receive messages in
groups of 25, combined into one large e-mail. Reading messages
at the website will allow you to peruse other member's posts at
your own pace, and respond in kind.

For the second and third options, please visit the Mego Website
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mego and alter your subscription
information accordingly.

3.2) Grammar and Spelling

Use proper grammar and spelling to the best of your ability.
Your posts aren't being graded and you'll receive no bad marks
for misspelled words, but if we can't understand your posts,
we'll have a much harder time trying to decide what you mean so
that we can properly respond. We do realize that, for some people
subscribing to the list, English is a second language. Just do
the best you can, and we appreciate your willingness to
communicate in a language that isn't natural for you just so
that you can be on this list! :)

3.3) Don't Use Nasty Words

Don't use nasty words. There are several young people on the
list so please follow "the 10 year old rule" - don't use words
that you wouldn't use around a 10 yr. old. By the same token,
don't go into great detail about a topic (ie: sex) that would
embarrass or scare off someone else on the list.

3.4) Don't Post Nasty Pictures

Don't post nasty pictures. This is a family-rated list (see 3.3
above,) so please don't post links to pictures or other material
that might be considered objectionable. And use your common
sense when figuring out what might be objectionable! Nude
photos, for example, would be considered objectionable. By the
same token, don't upload said pictures to the file area of the
Mego list.

3.5) Be very careful when discussing religion or politics

Religions and Politics are both very loaded issues. Everyone has
an opinion, and it's usually quite difficult if not downright
impossible to change those opinions. Thus, we discourage (but
don't outright ban) the use of Religion and Politics as topics
of discussion on the Mego mailing list.

3.6) Stay On Topic

Try to at least somewhat keep on topic. We don't mind (and even
encourage) discussion about non-Mego things, but the topic
should eventually come back to Mego. After all, that's what
we're here for.

3.7) All Caps

Another mailing list sin is TYPING IN ALL CAPS. THIS IS
CONSIDERED VERY RUDE, IN THE ONLINE WORLD. WHY, BECAUSE IT`S
UGLY. ALSO, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE SHOUTING! Needless to say,
using all caps to post is not allowed on the Mego mailing list.

3.8) Formats and File Attachments

Make sure your mail program is configured to send messages in
ASCII, or it may be called TEXT. In other words, don't send
messages in HTML, MIME or Rich Text Format (RTF). The mailing
list does not support it, and they only increase bandwidth
without adding anything to the meaning of the printed word.

Also, please do not attach files to your messages. If you wish
to e-mail an attached file to someone, send them directly. The
reasons for this are two-fold; one, it too greatly increases
bandwidth and it's likely that not everyone on the list will be
interested; and two, because e-mailed file attachments are a way to
transmit virus programs and trojan horses to other computers. A
corollary to this is that you should NEVER open an e-mailed file
attach unless it is something you are expecting, from someone
you know and trust.

Be aware that you can post files to the group without e-mailing
them. Visit the Files section at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mego for more details.

3.9) Moderation

If a situation arises where it becomes necessary to comment on a
message's format or content, please leave that to the
moderators. Things that have seen discussed in the past on this
list as well as other lists include excessive quoting, spelling
errors, indentation of the left margin, problems with the origin
line, etc. You should not see these topics discussed openly;
they are handled via e-mail to the appropriate person, when
necessary. It is a violation of the list rules to remind
another participant that they are in violation of the list
rules. Once again, leave it to the moderators.

3.10) Mailing list Help

Don't post a message to the group asking how to change to
digest mode, unsubscribe or anything else that yahoogroups does.
Remember, you can find out what yahoogroups can do by visiting the
Mego page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mego.


Now that all of the rules and guidelines are out of the way - Welcome to
the Mego mailing list! If you have any questions, comments, suggestions,
or critiques about this document or the list in general, please don't
hesitate to write Joe at jderouen@....

Warmest Regards,

Joe DeRouen
Dallas, Texas, USA
November 9th, 2000

Revisions to this file:

v1.0 November 9th, 2000
v1.1 January 26th, 2001

.htmlIt was actually revealed in a Simpsons episode where Ned goes nuts
that "diddly" is a curse (or swear word).

So could you please cut back on the language?

Michael

You funny man.<.html

.htmlAnyway, once again to all concerned I sincerely apologise for any hurt
feelings my Piranha statement may have caused.

Ohhhh You Bastard!  I take great offense to being called a piranha!  I'm seriously considering hunting you down to eat your lungs!  Now if you'd called me a shark, or a killer whale, that would be other story.  But this piranha crack takes the cake!
TRANSLATION FOR THE SARCASTICALLY CHALLENGED.....
The above statement is a joke.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/1/02 11:13:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, melkor@... writes:

Can anyone think of more POTA dialogue mentioning God?

GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
<.html

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Thanks!  I didn't know Kim faked an illness to give her understudy a break.<.html

.htmlLooks like you got it all covered, Mike.  I'll just add that there's probably a good collection of POTA photos at the Fox Archives he he should raid the place.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/1/02 11:48:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, melkor@... writes:

Do DVD's burn?  You go first and let us know how well it goes.  Naturally
you'll want to toss in the TV show, the cartoons, and the other sequels into
the bonfire since the first movie is the only good one.

-Tom

You forgot the new movie.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/2/02 2:02:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Not sure how the Archives set went...

Anyone?

Michael

I seem to recall that Inkworks planned a second series of APES cards revolving around the TV series.  It never happened.  I thought some of the Inkworks cards were way over-priced.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/2/02 2:14:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Jerry Goldsmith for sure. 

Goldsmith may be hard to get.  I hear he's pretty much a grouch.

-- Rory<.html

All it took was a two week flame war for people to say what they
were thinking three weeks ago.

>
> I see how that could have been misinterpreted - I was trying very
> hard to be (and stay) serious and I guess I misread the wave.
>
> As John Cleese says in "Holy Grail" after slaying a lot of wedding
> guests..."Sorry about that...I just get carried away sometimes"...
>
> Michael
>
> --- Haristas@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 12/1/02 9:31:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > whitty@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > I thought I tried to discuss this and the message I got from you
> and
> > > Rory was "see you later" (or did I misread the photo of Zira and
> > > Cornelius waving goodbye and your subsequent response to that?).
> >
> > You see there? Now I meant for everyone to get a kick out of
> posting that
> > picture of the apes waving "bye bye" and Jeff got it and thought it
> was funny
> > as I meant it to be, but I guess others weren't in the mood to find
> it funny.
> >
> > Humor can be a dangerous thing.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >

>
> > Do DVD's burn? You go first and let us know how well it goes. Naturally
> > you'll want to toss in the TV show, the cartoons, and the other sequels
> > into
> > the bonfire since the first movie is the only good one.
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> You forgot the new movie.
>
> -- Rory
>

Yes I forget that one. But you would make Fox happy because later
you would smack yourself on the head and buy them all back. Except
for the new movie. Oh heck, you would buy that one again too.

>
> > Can anyone think of more POTA dialogue mentioning God?
>
> GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
>

Good one.

Here's the score. (Nothing from CONQUEST)

PLANET: 2
BENEATH: 1
ESCAPE: 2
CONQUEST: 0
BATTLE: 3

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God damn you all to hell!
PLANET: Taylor

Alone among God's primates, he hunts for sport, or lust, or greed.
PLANET; Cornelius, quoting from 29:6 of the Sacred Scrolls.

My god it's a city of Apes!
BENEATH; Brent to himself (or Nova).

And how in God's name are we to know that unless we communicate. We can
speak, so I spoke.
ESCAPE: Zira

Am I obeying God's will or opposing it?
ESCAPE; Hasslein to the President.

And then God in his wrath sent the world a saviour...
BATTLE; The Lawgiver (2670) to his congregation.

For god's sake, wait for the Governor's signal.
BATTLE; Mendez to Alma.

If we knew for certain there is a god and we are going to heaven we
would all commit suicide in order to enjoy it.
BATTLE; Mandemus to Caesar, Virgil, & MacDonald.