> In a message dated 12/3/02 10:21:26 AM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
> << That's a good idea, T. A warning, like the off-topic warning,

> there's fu**ing profanity. S**t, that's the thing I think is

> You don't know if there's kids reading (not that they haven't

> it before but, s**t, we need some fu**ing standards). - - - Jeff
> >>
>
> Yeah, what the fu**? Heh, I think I'm the youngest.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>

>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "uhgycxkbixua" <uhgycxkbixua@y...> wrote:
> http://www.geocities.com/ycpkonzatirj/index.html"

> In a message dated 12/3/02 7:16:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > Would anyone object to a moderator booting this guy out?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
>
> It's somekind of spam thing. I just delete it.
>
> -- Rory
>

> In a message dated 12/1/02 9:26:02 PM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> << Chemistry is certainly not my field.
>
> How important is it that you succeed in chemistry?
>
> Michael >>
>
> Not very! ;)
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>

>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Melkor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The "Other" Group

>
> > Rory however is "one of the troublemakers from the old group" according to
> > one
> > of James postings.

James said this is not entirely correct and so in fairness to James
here is the public quote I was referring to.

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:42:55 -0000
X-Yahoo-Profile: jamesa1102
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Several people were concerned when Rory joined this group because
they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old group.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] As the Planet of the Apes Turns... "Patrick" again! ...

Every scene in BATTLE.

Well, yeah!  But, for example, I would have cut the 3 monkey bit from PLANET.  I would have given a budget to BENEATH so they could afford some decent effects and better background masks.  ESCAPE would have gotten a better gorilla and Conelius dummy. And for CONQUEST better orangutans and more of them, kept the deleted fighting scenes and made Roddy do that shock table scene over and over until he got it right!

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:36 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] As the Planet of the Apes Turns... "Patrick" again! ...

Is it when he says "fight like apes" that the film is all blurred (looks like a "cover-up"!).

Yeah, that was done in post.  I'm not entirely sure it wasn't done after release.  I don't remember that burr being there originally.  On the first film Chambers was watching to make sure they didn't soot the makeup's from certain angle to prevent just this sort of thing.  So much for quality control.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:40 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] As the Planet of the Apes Turns... "Patrick" again! ...

I think if I had to pick one scene in particular it would have to be
Zira preaching on women's rights.

I dunno...I'm all for women using their heads as well as their hands.  If you know what I mean.  ; )  No offense ladies.  But that one was just begging to be done!  I could do another, about begging to be done, but that would be over doing it.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Rated - M This is a test. . .only a test

In a message dated 12/3/02 7:20:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Yeah, I don't know if kids are reading this fuckin' shit or not.  But as long as I can do my fuckin' part to to get the little bastards to read and shit, I'll know I've don't my fuckin' part.  Now kiddies, quit playin' on the fuckin' Internet and shit, and go do your fuckin' homework!

T, if you like I can post some dirty photos of people acting like Bonobos.

-- Rory

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> In a message dated 12/3/2002 6:49:36 PM Central Standard Time,
> CheeseGOTAS@a... writes:
>
> > It's not one guy. It;s an automated thing.
> >
> Anytime you see "Check this out" with a SN like zxwyqlp it's SPAM.

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

<<That reminds me. Did anyone watch the Paul McCartney concert on TV last
week (it also just came out on video). He visits the famed sign-language
bonobo Kanzai. As a documentary fan, it was good to see Sue Rumbaugh
again. - - - Jeff>>

Yes I watched the McCartney special -twice (I taped it and watched it again
with my son, the 4-year old Beatles fan).

I saw that tour last May. It was amazing. That was the third time I saw
McCartney and he always puts on a heck of a show. If there is any such thing
as a living legend, he's one of them.

Matt

----- Original Message -----

From: MTotsky@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:21 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...

I've kind of been laying low because I wanted to see how things were shaking out in the world of POTA. I've been keeping up in digest form for both groups.

Things were getting ugly for awhile there with Michael and some of the members of the old group (Rory, Jeff, Patrick, LordTZero) and I kind of soured on posting because I didn't want to get in the middle of it.

Now I see that Rory is back in the new group. Are Jeff and Patrick far behind? Michael seems to have patched it up with everyone but Patrick. I know that some people have problems with Patrick, but maybe it can be smoothed over. While I don't agree with all of his ideas, I think some of his points are valid and he is obviously a big fan of POTA so he deserves a home. I think it is kind of cruel to tell him he is unwanted. If he joined the new group then he would have to accept some of the rules. It doesn't seem like he wants to do that right now and if he doesn't then that's his choice, but I feel out of the sake of human kindness that he should be given every last chance to join.

I joined the new group because I was invited by James and I wanted to continue my friendship with him and a few others, but I was leary about a POTA group without Rory or Jeff, two members whose posts are among the ones I personally enjoyed the most. Honestly, what I would want is just to have one POTA group. With two groups, you get repeat posts and that kind of stuff. Basically everyone that is in the POTADG right now plus Rory, Jeff, Patrick, and Joe (the young guy) and maybe a few others that I am forgetting are the only ones that ever posted in the old group. What's that, like 30 or so people? What do the other 100 or so (including the moderator MFulder) do here anyway? If we all left, then there wouldn't be any posts in the old group. I don't see the point in two groups really, but Jeff seems to want to stick with the old one for whatever reason. I would like a completely on-topic POTA group and all the off topic stuff can go in Film Emporium. That was my reason for starting that group anyways.

Well I just wanted to pop in and give my 2 cents. I'm waiting to see how this finally shakes out.

Matt

PS: If anyone wants to join Film Emporium that hasn't already, feel free to do so.

If you want to check out the homepage of the group, go here:
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You will then get an email and all you have to do is reply and you're in.

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> I've kind of been laying low because I wanted to see how things

>
> Things were getting ugly for awhile there with Michael and some of

>
> Now I see that Rory is back in the new group. Are Jeff and Patrick

>
> I joined the new group because I was invited by James and I wanted

>
> Well I just wanted to pop in and give my 2 cents. I'm waiting to

>
> Matt
>
> PS: If anyone wants to join Film Emporium that hasn't already, feel

>
> If you want to check out the homepage of the group, go here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/filmemporium/
>
> If you want to subscribe, just send an email to this address: �
> filmemporium-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> You will then get an email and all you have to do is reply and

>
>
>
>

>
>

> Yeah, it's kind of an alternate timeline with all of us

> k) posting one the film emporium timeline without a care in the

> all this is going on. Why continue this group? Because if we drop

> ups and start a third group with rules we're back in the same boat.

> consider this a tug-of-war between "my" group and "Michael's"

> ike to have a group where people are allowed to go "off-topic" once

> le (everyone has their own opinion what is off-topic) and where

> be themselves (within reason). I don't want to take a vote to see

> e can mention the game cricket. I will probably join the new group;

> le have questions I can answer I will do so. I can maintain in a

> situation. But I will probably continue to do most of my posting

> rick will always be welcome here and anyone else (except e-mail

> he 100+ members? That's odd. melkor says they are legit lurkers. I

> since I've been doing the group history that the group went from

> s down to 112 and now it's back around 118, all with no change in

> (except for recent return of Dave and Matt). Anyway, I'm willing to

> th 2 groups and have each stick to their specialty. I don't want to

> 0 people so I'll end on that note. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MTotsky@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:21 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...
>
>
> I've kind of been laying low because I wanted to see how things

> ing out in the world of POTA. I've been keeping up in digest form

> groups.
>
> Things were getting ugly for awhile there with Michael and some

> mbers of the old group (Rory, Jeff, Patrick, LordTZero) and I kind

> d on posting because I didn't want to get in the middle of it.
>
> Now I see that Rory is back in the new group. Are Jeff and

> hind? Michael seems to have patched it up with everyone but

> that some people have problems with Patrick, but maybe it can be

> over. While I don't agree with all of his ideas, I think some of

> are valid and he is obviously a big fan of POTA so he deserves a

> hink it is kind of cruel to tell him he is unwanted. If he joined

> roup then he would have to accept some of the rules. It doesn't

> e wants to do that right now and if he doesn't then that's his

> I feel out of the sake of human kindness that he should be given

> chance to join.
>
> I joined the new group because I was invited by James and I

> tinue my friendship with him and a few others, but I was leary

> group without Rory or Jeff, two members whose posts are among the

> ersonally enjoyed the most. Honestly, what I would want is just to

> POTA group. With two groups, you get repeat posts and that kind of

> Basically everyone that is in the POTADG right now plus Rory, Jeff,

> , and Joe (the young guy) and maybe a few others that I am

> he only ones that ever posted in the old group. What's that, like

> people? What do the other 100 or so (including the moderator

> re anyway? If we all left, then there wouldn't be any posts in the

> p. I don't see the point in two groups really, but Jeff seems to

> ick with the old one for whatever reason. I would like a completely

> c POTA group and all the off topic stuff can go in Film Emporium.

> my reason for starting that group anyways.
>
> Well I just wanted to pop in and give my 2 cents. I'm waiting to

> this finally shakes out.
>
> Matt
>
> PS: If anyone wants to join Film Emporium that hasn't already,

> to do so.
>
> If you want to check out the homepage of the group, go here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/filmemporium/
>
> If you want to subscribe, just send an email to this address:
> filmemporium-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> You will then get an email and all you have to do is reply and

>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

>

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...


> I suspect they are people who compile lists of email
> addresses...that's why I wish they could all be hurled out, but as
> you will notice others in the new group disagree so lurkers are
> allowed.
>
> Michael
>
> --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> The 100+ members? That's odd. melkor says they are legit lurkers. I
> noticed since I've been doing the group history that the group went
> from 128 members down to 112 and now it's back around 118, all with
> no change in postings (except for recent return of Dave and Matt).
> Anyway, I'm willing to live with 2 groups and have each stick to
> their specialty. I don't want to bore 100 people so I'll end on that
> note. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Not me. I've been lurking because there's nothing interesting going

> I'd imagine that the majority of the other 100 or so people that

> Aside from Patrick's thread a couple of weeks back where we got

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...
>
>
> > I suspect they are people who compile lists of email
> > addresses...that's why I wish they could all be hurled out, but as
> > you will notice others in the new group disagree so lurkers are
> > allowed.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > The 100+ members? That's odd. melkor says they are legit lurkers.

> > noticed since I've been doing the group history that the group

> > from 128 members down to 112 and now it's back around 118, all

> > no change in postings (except for recent return of Dave and Matt).
> > Anyway, I'm willing to live with 2 groups and have each stick to
> > their specialty. I don't want to bore 100 people so I'll end on

> > note. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> You won't quit will you?
>
> Here's your nickname: Saddam Hussein.
>
> Report by Middle East analyst Gerald Butt
>
> In a region where despotic rule is the norm, he is more feared by
his
> own people than any other head of a pota discussion group.
>
> A former Iraqi diplomat living in exile summed up Saddam's rule in
> one sentence: "Saddam is a dictator who is ready to sacrifice his
> group, just so long as he can remain on his throne in the mother
> ship." Few members would disagree with this. Although none living
in
> the pota group would dare to say so publicly.
>
> The pota group are forced to consume a daily diet of triumphalist
> slogans, fattened by fawning praise of the president.
>
> He portrays himself as a valiant knight leading the Arabs into
battle
> against the infidel, or as an eighth-century caliph who founded the
> city of Baghdad. Evoking the glory of Arab history, Saddam claims
to
> be leading his people to new glory.
>
> The reality looks very different. His homeland is bankrupt, its
> economy and infrastructure shattered by years of economic sanctions
> imposed by the Nazi following the invasion of the potaDG.
>
> Saddam Hussein remains largely isolated from his people, keeping
the
> company of a diminishing circle of trusted advisers - largely drawn
> from his close family or from the extended clan based on the
> internet. But even they are sickened by him.
>
> Another former Iraqi diplomat living in exile summed up Saddam's
rule
> in one sentence:
>
> It was OK until he said: "Rory can have "my" beer, since I don't
> drink / smoke / do drugs etc. What do I do? Subtle innuendos
> follow...". The subsequent images sent the bile projecting from my
> bowels. There is no way this guy does any chicks, so he could only
> be referring to the rubber suit he adorns to sit on sticks and
> masturbate...excuse me - I'm throwing up again......
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
> wrote:
> > --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > Patrick, Rory will be getting your beer so work it out with him
> if
> > > you want it.
> >
> > > Michael
> >
> > *** In the last private e-mail you sent me, you said that you
> > had "nothing to say" to me. Alas, that was too much to hope for,
it
> > seems!
> > Rory can have "my" beer, since I don't drink/smoke/do drugs/etc.
> What
> > do I do? Subtle innuendos follow...
> >
> > Patrick

--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Matt,
>
> I don't know how many times I have to say this:
>
> Patrick can join.
>
> I doubt he will, because he wants to keep fighting, and he has left
a trail of casualties in other groups to verify this repeated
behaviour.
>
> I predict he will not join and will continue to attack me.
>
> I made the mistake last night of thinking maybe ignoring him was
depriving him of a chance to make peace. Big mistake. His posts are
still hate filled and infuriating and in case you haven't noticed,
this will often encourage a response from me.
>
> So I have returned to not reading his posts, and don't be surprised
if I never read another one.
>
> BUT...he can join the new group.
>
> The issue of rules on the new group is yet to be settled so as far
as I can tell, not only can he join the new group, but he can post a
typical "flame" or a 6000 word thesis.
>
> So, I'll say again, Patrick can join the new group.
>
> Thanks for your 2c, it was worth a million bucks!
>
>
> --- MTotsky@a... wrote:
> > I've kind of been laying low because I wanted to see how things
were shaking out in the world of POTA. I've been keeping up in digest
form for both groups.
> >
> > Things were getting ugly for awhile there with Michael and some
of the members of the old group (Rory, Jeff, Patrick, LordTZero) and
I kind of soured on posting because I didn't want to get in the
middle of it.
> >
> > Now I see that Rory is back in the new group. Are Jeff and
Patrick far behind? Michael seems to have patched it up with everyone
but Patrick. I know that some people have problems with Patrick, but
maybe it can be smoothed over. While I don't agree with all of his
ideas, I think some of his points are valid and he is obviously a big
fan of POTA so he deserves a home. I think it is kind of cruel to
tell him he is unwanted. If he joined the new group then he would
have to accept some of the rules. It doesn't seem like he wants to do
that right now and if he doesn't then that's his choice, but I feel
out of the sake of human kindness that he should be given every last
chance to join.
> >
> > I joined the new group because I was invited by James and I
wanted to continue my friendship with him and a few others, but I was
leary about a POTA group without Rory or Jeff, two members whose
posts are among the ones I personally enjoyed the most. Honestly,
what I would want is just to have one POTA group. With two groups,
you get repeat posts and that kind of stuff. Basically everyone that
is in the POTADG right now plus Rory, Jeff, Patrick, and Joe (the
young guy) and maybe a few others that I am forgetting are the only
ones that ever posted in the old group. What's that, like 30 or so
people? What do the other 100 or so (including the moderator MFulder)
do here anyway? If we all left, then there wouldn't be any posts in
the old group. I don't see the point in two groups really, but Jeff
seems to want to stick with the old one for whatever reason. I would
like a completely on-topic POTA group and all the off topic stuff can
go in Film Emporium. That was my reason for starting that group
anyways.
> >
> > Well I just wanted to pop in and give my 2 cents. I'm waiting to
see how this finally shakes out.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > PS: If anyone wants to join Film Emporium that hasn't already,
feel free to do so.
> >
> > If you want to check out the homepage of the group, go here:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/filmemporium/
> >
> > If you want to subscribe, just send an email to this address:
> > filmemporium-subscribe@y...
> >
> > You will then get an email and all you have to do is reply and
> you're in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 December 2002 22:20
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] As the Planet of the Apes Turns... "Patrick" again! ...

Hey Mike, if you are a nazi The Lord will strike your island with Hellfire!  Oh wait, He's already done that.  See Pat!  There is a God!   Not to make light of the misfortunes of others, or anything, but...Plague of Cats and Rabbits...how's that going then?

Before anyone starts taking potshots at my jibe, no, I don't want Down-Under to burn down, down under.  That country needs all the trees it can get.  And I do like kitties and bunnies, but...you have to preserve the balance of nature somehow.

----- Original Message -----

From: whitty@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...

I suspect they are people who compile lists of email
addresses...that's why I wish they could all be hurled out, but as
you will notice others in the new group disagree so lurkers are
allowed.

Michael

--- <veetus@...> wrote:
The 100+ members? That's odd. melkor says they are legit lurkers. I
noticed since I've been doing the group history that the group went
from 128 members down to 112 and now it's back around 118, all with
no change in postings (except for recent return of Dave and Matt).
Anyway, I'm willing to live with 2 groups and have each stick to
their specialty. I don't want to bore 100 people so I'll end on that
note. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: whitty@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:14 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...

--- "Stuart Drucker" <sdrucker@...> wrote:
> Not me. I've been lurking because there's nothing interesting going
on.

Well, that is a matter of opinion, don't you think?  If nothing
interesting is going on then I think you are very patient to hang
around.

>  I'd imagine that the majority of the other 100 or so people that
don't post are thinking the same thing.

Well, I disagree, and unless they all simultaneously leap into
animation, then we will never know.

> Aside from Patrick's thread a couple of weeks back where we got
into technology in ape civilization,. and the transcript of the
convention panel with some of Beneath's mutants, it's all small group
pecking order BS.

Well, I think that is the whole point....visitors who see this, and
so much of it, will be turned off, as will long term members, but if
they don't voice this, nothing will be solved.

Good on you for commenting Stuart, even if I don't completely agree.

Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...
>
>
> > I suspect they are people who compile lists of email
> > addresses...that's why I wish they could all be hurled out, but as
> > you will notice others in the new group disagree so lurkers are
> > allowed.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > The 100+ members? That's odd. melkor says they are legit lurkers.
I
> > noticed since I've been doing the group history that the group
went
> > from 128 members down to 112 and now it's back around 118, all
with
> > no change in postings (except for recent return of Dave and Matt).
> > Anyway, I'm willing to live with 2 groups and have each stick to
> > their specialty. I don't want to bore 100 people so I'll end on
that
> > note. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

> >
> >
>
>
> 
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

>
>
>



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

> Well, that's almost exactly what the post says, except James' says "in th=
> e old group", not "from the old group". Semantics. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Melkor=20
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com=20
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The "Other" Group
>
> >=20
> > > Rory however is "one of the troublemakers from the old group" accordi=
> ng to=20
> > > one
> > > of James postings.
>
> here is the public quote I was referring to.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:42:55 -0000
> X-Yahoo-Profile: jamesa1102
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>
> Several people were concerned when Rory joined this group because=20
> they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old group.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 4:33 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...

In a message dated 12/4/02 12:21:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, MTotsky@... writes:

What do the other 100 or so (including the moderator MFulder) do here anyway?

I think the way the Yahoo groups work is that every time someone joins they get listed in the number of members, but when they quit the number remains the same.  So, in the old group there were listed 100 plus that had joined, but most were not getting the mailings anymore.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

> How come the other groups don't have that many? I think it's people who j=
> oined over the last 4 years and never unsubscribed (the people who say "Tak=
> e me off this list!"). - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: whitty@...=20
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com=20
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...
>
>
> I suspect they are people who compile lists of email=20
> addresses...that's why I wish they could all be hurled out, but as=20
> you will notice others in the new group disagree so lurkers are=20
> allowed.
>
> Michael
>
> --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> The 100+ members? That's odd. melkor says they are legit lurkers. I=20
> noticed since I've been doing the group history that the group went=20
> from 128 members down to 112 and now it's back around 118, all with=20
> no change in postings (except for recent return of Dave and Matt).=20
> Anyway, I'm willing to live with 2 groups and have each stick to=20
> their specialty. I don't want to bore 100 people so I'll end on that=20
> note. - - - Jeff
>

----- Original Message -----

From: whitty@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...

I suspect they are people who compile lists of email
addresses...that's why I wish they could all be hurled out, but as
you will notice others in the new group disagree so lurkers are
allowed.

Michael

--- <veetus@...> wrote:
The 100+ members? That's odd. melkor says they are legit lurkers. I
noticed since I've been doing the group history that the group went
from 128 members down to 112 and now it's back around 118, all with
no change in postings (except for recent return of Dave and Matt).
Anyway, I'm willing to live with 2 groups and have each stick to
their specialty. I don't want to bore 100 people so I'll end on that
note. - - - Jeff


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----- Original Message -----

From: whitty@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:14 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...

--- "Stuart Drucker" <sdrucker@...> wrote:
> Not me. I've been lurking because there's nothing interesting going
on.

Well, that is a matter of opinion, don't you think?  If nothing
interesting is going on then I think you are very patient to hang
around.

>  I'd imagine that the majority of the other 100 or so people that
don't post are thinking the same thing.

Well, I disagree, and unless they all simultaneously leap into
animation, then we will never know.

> Aside from Patrick's thread a couple of weeks back where we got
into technology in ape civilization,. and the transcript of the
convention panel with some of Beneath's mutants, it's all small group
pecking order BS.

Well, I think that is the whole point....visitors who see this, and
so much of it, will be turned off, as will long term members, but if
they don't voice this, nothing will be solved.

Good on you for commenting Stuart, even if I don't completely agree.

Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...
>
>
> > I suspect they are people who compile lists of email
> > addresses...that's why I wish they could all be hurled out, but as
> > you will notice others in the new group disagree so lurkers are
> > allowed.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > The 100+ members? That's odd. melkor says they are legit lurkers.
I
> > noticed since I've been doing the group history that the group
went
> > from 128 members down to 112 and now it's back around 118, all
with
> > no change in postings (except for recent return of Dave and Matt).
> > Anyway, I'm willing to live with 2 groups and have each stick to
> > their specialty. I don't want to bore 100 people so I'll end on
that
> > note. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

> >
> >
>
>
> 
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

>
>
>



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>>Hi Tom!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melkor [melkor@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 5 December 2002 5:39
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Tale of Two Groups...

>>The group moderator/s has have a facility to see this.

>>Very good point...you can set up to receive no mail.

>>You could be right there.

> There seems to be no Whitty comebacks on my rather lengthy, for me

> reply on Mike's question on whether or not I'd use "that kind of

> Kim's presence. I'm guessing that the fact that Kim was not above

> expletive or two herself took the wind out of his sails on that

> She's a good Sheila, Bruce! And not at all stuck up!
>

>
> > What's the plague of cats and rabbits all about?
> >
> On the Discovery Channel I see things. Ya know? I seen some

> the Australian Rabbit Plague. Then there was the Rat Plague, which

> countered by the introduction of house cats. This caused the Feral

> problem, with cats wiping out native species. Much like that

> episode of The Simpsons.
>

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:03 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Chat Transcript: 20th Century Fox's Peter Staddon on Home Theater F

Well, there's bad news for POTA fans here.  Read it and weep.

-- Rory
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Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:03 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Chat Transcript: 20th Century Fox's Peter Staddon on Home Theater F

Well, there's bad news for POTA fans here.  Read it and weep.

-- Rory
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Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:03 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Chat Transcript: 20th Century Fox's Peter Staddon on Home Theater F

Well, there's bad news for POTA fans here.  Read it and weep.

-- Rory
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Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:03 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Chat Transcript: 20th Century Fox's Peter Staddon on Home Theater F

Well, there's bad news for POTA fans here.  Read it and weep.

-- Rory
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From: LordTZer0@...

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Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Chat Transcript: 20th Century Fox's Peter ...

In a message dated 12/5/2002 1:04:16 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Well, there's bad news for POTA fans here.  Read it and weep.

I glanced at it.  Didn't see anything about POTA.  What am I supposed to weep about?
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Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:19 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Chat Transcript: 20th Century Fox's Peter ...

  The rep says if they do new POTA DVDs ("a big IF"), it won't be before 2004. Doesn't sound like they got folks like Kim and J. Lee in time. - - - Jeff

 

 

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In a message dated 12/5/2002 1:04:16 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Well, there's bad news for POTA fans here.  Read it and weep.

I glanced at it.  Didn't see anything about POTA.  What am I supposed to weep about?
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--- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
>
> Even so, James (the owner of the POTADG group) threatened to kick
me out of HIS group, NOT for violating any rules in the POTADG group,
but simply for posting to THIS group and merely quoting what James
publicly said about Rory. James also changed my moderation to strict
moderation for the same reason (NOT for violating any rules) without
telling me. The group's owner never tells people what he arbitrarily
sets their moderation level to, it is always a state secret BECAUSE
it is arbitrary. (James pretends someone told him about my post here
and he doesn't read this group). Until now I had never heard of a
case where the owner of a Yahoo group threatens and punishes people
for quoting on a different group what the owner said publicly
earlier.
>
> I'll be posting to this group.
>
>
> > Well, that's almost exactly what the post says, except James'
says "in the old group", not "from the old group". Semantics.
- - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: Melkor=20
> > To: pota@y...=20
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The "Other" Group
> >
> > >=20
> > > > Rory however is "one of the troublemakers from the old
group" according to one of James postings.
> >
> > here is the public quote I was referring to.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
---------
> > To: PotaDG@y...
> > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:42:55 -0000
> > X-Yahoo-Profile: jamesa1102
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > Reply-To: PotaDG@y...
> >
> > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this group
because they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old group.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
-------

>
> We certainly need to discuss this, but I suggest we either do so in "reply
> to all" private emails (currently all members are on this email), or even go
> so far as to set up ANOTHER group JUST for discussing the rules (so those

--- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > We certainly need to discuss this, but I suggest we either do so
in "reply to all" private emails (currently all members are on this
email), or even go so far as to set up ANOTHER group JUST for
discussing the rules (so those
>
> Since I've become the second person after Rory to be kicked out of
the POTADG group and Michael has now been forced to email everyone on
the POTADG group individually to get feedback outside the group I'll
go ahead and comment on some serious problems I found there. Ignore
this if you just want to be left alone.
>
> I initially had high hopes for the POTADG group when James and
Michael invited me to join it. I did however wonder what happens when
the moderators disagree. I now understand that clearly. James is not
just the owner of the group, he's also a dictator increasingly
paranoid of losing control.
>
> When I brought up the idea that we could do a simple poll like the
earlier lurkers poll (which takes only one post) to see if the group
would like the moderation settings to be objective and open instead
of arbitrary and secret James immediately shut down discussion
because he doesn't want to lose the power of doing whatever he wants
to do and do it in secret. When I remembered that the group never
finished adopting ground rules and asked Micheal to draw up a
document James immediately shut down discussion because of the same
reason, not losing his power of control.
>
> Michael then drew up a reasonable document and emailed it to James
for comment, and James arrogantly told Michael (who is supposed to be
an equal moderator of the group) that James, incredibly, flatly
refused to even read what his theoretically equal moderator proposed.
It was because of that arrogance that I first realized the group has
serious problems and was not at all what I thought it to be. Michael
then asked James if he could do a simple poll to ask if there should
be a set of ground rules and James told Michael he wouldn't be
allowed to do that.
>
> Despite all of this, I never mentioned it publicly. Shortly
afterwards James threatened to kick me out of the group and changed
my setup to strict moderation NOT for violating any rules of his
group but merely because in a different (!!) group (POTA) I happened
to have quoted his earlier public posting that Rory was alleged to
have been "one of the troublemakers of the old group". When I
mentioned that in the same group James immediately kicked me out of
his group (even though he claims he doesn't read the POTA group). He
also changed the rules (again WITHOUT consulting anyone else in the
group NOR even informing anyone else - which dictators can do) that
people can be thrown out of his group for what they say ANYWHERE ELSE
ON INTERNET GROUPS.
>
> Since James has lost all credibility now he should delete the group
and let Michael recreate the group with the same membership (it
wouldn't be hard to do and would be transparent to the members) with
Michael as the owner (and ability to set moderators). That's the only
way I would have any faith in the group again. You could take a
democratic poll on doing that except that James never allows any
polls to be done he doesn't personally approve of.

> The impression I get is that the POTADG site is "owned"/controlled

> at least 2: James and Michael. You'll remember that it was Michael
> who prevented one of Rory's allegedly "off-topic"/"flaming"

> from going through, and then kicked him out of the group. Mike

> doing this himself, which means that he has to have at least as
> much "pull" over there as James does.
>
> I think of those two as sorta being like Octavian and Mark Antony

> Shakespeare's "JULIUS CAESAR", after they ascend to power following
> Mark Antony's famous speech ("Friends, Romans, Countrymen... Lend

> your ears!"); granted, they were originally a triumvirate (with
> Lepidus), but the third guy was edged out early on, and it came

> eventually--to just Octavian ("Augustus") and Mark Antony. Come to
> think of it, there's a scene in "JULIUS CAESAR" (Act IV) where the
> three in the triumvirate are making up a list of people they're

> to have killed; when Lepidus suggests that Mark Antony's sister's

> should be on that list, Antony agrees and says: "He shall not live;
> look, with a spot I damn him." That's all it took: he just made a
> mark on a list, a little spot of ink, and that was that.
>
> Let us thank our lucky stars that such "list-making" types aren't

> charge of this site. The Triumvirate had a list... McCarthy had
> a "Blacklist"... Nixon had his "Enemy's List"... Breck had
> his "Achilles List"... and the Im-Moderator(s) at the POTADG have
> their little list going. Rory was kicked off it... then let back

> recently... and now, it seems, Rory doesn't care to be back on it.
> Mike says I can join their list if I want to, but it ain't gonna
> happen. Those are telling words there, Melkor: "state secret".
> Any "State" which keeps secret will eventually have a "Secret

> to round up the malcontents... and banish them into the Forbidden
> Zone.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. Hey, Kassidy (if you're out there still), remember: I'm not
> lumping you in with the Authorities in charge of that POTADG site,

> don't think that I consider you culpable for these fascist tactics
> going on. I'm just curious how these tactics sit with you; do they
> bother you at all? Do you approve of what happened to Rory, and now
> (see below) to Melkor? Doesn't it kinda creep you out, at least

> a little?
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Even so, James (the owner of the POTADG group) threatened to kick
> me out of HIS group, NOT for violating any rules in the POTADG

> but simply for posting to THIS group and merely quoting what James
> publicly said about Rory. James also changed my moderation to

> moderation for the same reason (NOT for violating any rules)

> telling me. The group's owner never tells people what he

> sets their moderation level to, it is always a state secret BECAUSE
> it is arbitrary. (James pretends someone told him about my post

> and he doesn't read this group). Until now I had never heard of a
> case where the owner of a Yahoo group threatens and punishes people
> for quoting on a different group what the owner said publicly
> earlier.
> >
> > I'll be posting to this group.
> >
> >
> > > Well, that's almost exactly what the post says, except James'
> says "in the old group", not "from the old group". Semantics.
> - - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > > From: Melkor=20
> > > To: pota@y...=20
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The "Other" Group
> > >
> > > >=20
> > > > > Rory however is "one of the troublemakers from the old
> group" according to one of James postings.
> > >
> > > here is the public quote I was referring to.
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------

> ---------
> > > To: PotaDG@y...
> > > From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:42:55 -0000
> > > X-Yahoo-Profile: jamesa1102
> > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Rory
> > > Reply-To: PotaDG@y...
> > >
> > > Several people were concerned when Rory joined this group
> because they felt he was one of the trouble makers in the old group.
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------

> -------
>
>
>
>
>

>
>
>

> INNNNteresting! My, oh my! One must wonder why Michael never saw

> to inform anybody over here (where content is NOT censored) about

> these fascist shenanigans. Here he was, deservedly bearing the

> of my criticism, and his pal James was being even MORE of a stinker
> than HE was!
>
> You (Melkor) seem to think that James is the sole dictator of that
> site, and based on what you've just posted, I'll grant you that he
> looks to be more of the control freak over there.
>
> But... Michael was the first one over there to boot out a member
> (Rory). And now James has booted you out. Remember when I pointed

> the "only statistic that matters", that THIS site, in over 25,000
> entries has NEVER evicted a member for ANY reason, yet in less than
> 300 posts on the DG site, Michael had done so once... and, at that
> rate, they'd last another 3600 posts before they ran out of

> The other day, when I lurked over there for a few minutes, they

> up to around 500 posts. How many posts were they up to when you got
> booted out? I'm guessing it was around #600 or so... which means

> I WAS RIGHT! They kick out members at a rate of 1 every 300 posts,

> so. Michael seems to HATE the "math" I use for my POTA scenario...

> must LOATHE the math I used to calculate the crashing & burning of
> that "rival" site!
>
> I wouldn't recommend ever putting your faith in that group,

> but, of course, that's up to you. They've fooled you once: Shame on
> them. If they fool you twice...?
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. Hey, Kassidy... after reading what Melkor's just written, how

> you feel NOW about that nice, ol' "democratic" site you're

> a member of? Be nice to James & Michael, now, and maybe you'll be

> last one they throw out of their group before they throw themselves
> out! Ah, but you'll ALWAYS be welcome over here, you beautiful
> stuttering chimpette you ;)
>
> --- In pota@y..., Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> > >
> > > We certainly need to discuss this, but I suggest we either do

> in "reply to all" private emails (currently all members are on this
> email), or even go so far as to set up ANOTHER group JUST for
> discussing the rules (so those
> >
> > Since I've become the second person after Rory to be kicked out

> the POTADG group and Michael has now been forced to email everyone

> the POTADG group individually to get feedback outside the group

> go ahead and comment on some serious problems I found there. Ignore
> this if you just want to be left alone.
> >
> > I initially had high hopes for the POTADG group when James and
> Michael invited me to join it. I did however wonder what happens

> the moderators disagree. I now understand that clearly. James is

> just the owner of the group, he's also a dictator increasingly
> paranoid of losing control.
> >
> > When I brought up the idea that we could do a simple poll like

> earlier lurkers poll (which takes only one post) to see if the

> would like the moderation settings to be objective and open instead
> of arbitrary and secret James immediately shut down discussion
> because he doesn't want to lose the power of doing whatever he

> to do and do it in secret. When I remembered that the group never
> finished adopting ground rules and asked Micheal to draw up a
> document James immediately shut down discussion because of the same
> reason, not losing his power of control.
> >
> > Michael then drew up a reasonable document and emailed it to

> for comment, and James arrogantly told Michael (who is supposed to

> an equal moderator of the group) that James, incredibly, flatly
> refused to even read what his theoretically equal moderator

> It was because of that arrogance that I first realized the group

> serious problems and was not at all what I thought it to be.

> then asked James if he could do a simple poll to ask if there

> be a set of ground rules and James told Michael he wouldn't be
> allowed to do that.
> >
> > Despite all of this, I never mentioned it publicly. Shortly
> afterwards James threatened to kick me out of the group and changed
> my setup to strict moderation NOT for violating any rules of his
> group but merely because in a different (!!) group (POTA) I

> to have quoted his earlier public posting that Rory was alleged to
> have been "one of the troublemakers of the old group". When I
> mentioned that in the same group James immediately kicked me out of
> his group (even though he claims he doesn't read the POTA group).

> also changed the rules (again WITHOUT consulting anyone else in the
> group NOR even informing anyone else - which dictators can do) that
> people can be thrown out of his group for what they say ANYWHERE

> ON INTERNET GROUPS.
> >
> > Since James has lost all credibility now he should delete the

> and let Michael recreate the group with the same membership (it
> wouldn't be hard to do and would be transparent to the members)

> Michael as the owner (and ability to set moderators). That's the

> way I would have any faith in the group again. You could take a
> democratic poll on doing that except that James never allows any
> polls to be done he doesn't personally approve of.
>
>
>
>
>

>
>
>

> In a message dated 12/4/02 11:00:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> melkor@... writes:
>
> > Even so, James (the owner of the POTADG group) threatened to kick me out of
> > HIS group, NOT for violating any rules in the POTADG group, but simply for
> > posting
> > to THIS group and merely quoting what James publicly said about Rory.
>
> but this NAZI bullshit is BULLSHIT!!!!
>

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Patrick" in a rubber suit again! ...

OK - yeah, and you can add kangaroos - they are large varmin and are
treated as such.

But they're cute!  Not as cute as Kowalla Bears, but still, they're indiginous.  And the rabbits and cats weren't.

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Call to Arms

To Everyone:

Jeff is only hinting at what needs to be done here.  Have any of you really bothered to read what I posted yesterday?   Here's the link again: Click here: Chat Transcript: 20th Century Fox's Peter Staddon on Home Theater Forum

Read it all the way through.  Fox is saying "fuck you" to the POTA fans again.  Unless we get together and start a massive write-in campaign we can forget about ant special editions of the classic series on DVD.

Here's what Joe Russo had to say about it in an e-mail to me:

RE: "BIG IF" (Man,that guy sounds like an asshole).  Turns out BURTON'S
film did more harm than good -- it's responsible for all the apathy towards
the property (except for the die-hards).  Zanuck UNDID the greatness of
1968 in 2001.

Now, I'm telling you here that have DVD players, that care how POTA is treated by Fox, let's stop this infighting now and let's get together and do some good for the films we're supposed to be here to celebrate.

I just got a 16X9 HDTV and I can tell you that non-anamorphic DVDs aren't worth shit on high-end monitors.  I know most of you are looking at your DVDs on anything other than conventional TVs, but "who knows about the future?" and if Fox thinks there's the demand for them the remastered discs will contain more extras.

It's time we fight for the APES and tell Fox to STOP treating the series like shit!

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----

From: mtotsky

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Call to Arms

Jeff,

My favorite Apes film is the original of course,

Someone email me when this becomes fun again.

Matt


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>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave B

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:01 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: A Call to Arms

Beneath....

I ain't saying it's the best, only that it's my favourite.

Dave
>
>



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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:02 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Call to Arms

  The actual site that transcript is from is www.hometheaterforum.com . The dude, Peter Staddon, also said he likes to "lurk" on that site for opinions about DVDs. That might be a good place to leave some feedback. - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Call to Arms

To Everyone:

Jeff is only hinting at what needs to be done here.  Have any of you really bothered to read what I posted yesterday?   Here's the link again: Click here: Chat Transcript: 20th Century Fox's Peter Staddon on Home Theater Forum

Read it all the way through.  Fox is saying "fuck you" to the POTA fans again.  Unless we get together and start a massive write-in campaign we can forget about ant special editions of the classic series on DVD.

Here's what Joe Russo had to say about it in an e-mail to me:

RE: "BIG IF" (Man,that guy sounds like an asshole).  Turns out BURTON'S
film did more harm than good -- it's responsible for all the apathy towards
the property (except for the die-hards).  Zanuck UNDID the greatness of
1968 in 2001.

Now, I'm telling you here that have DVD players, that care how POTA is treated by Fox, let's stop this infighting now and let's get together and do some good for the films we're supposed to be here to celebrate.

I just got a 16X9 HDTV and I can tell you that non-anamorphic DVDs aren't worth shit on high-end monitors.  I know most of you are looking at your DVDs on anything other than conventional TVs, but "who knows about the future?" and if Fox thinks there's the demand for them the remastered discs will contain more extras.

It's time we fight for the APES and tell Fox to STOP treating the series like shit!

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 1:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Trouble in Paradise

In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:12:03 PM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

"He shall not live; look, with a spot I damn him."

Ah my favorite Shakespearean play.
Pardon me whilst I indulge in a few quotes.

"Doth not Brutes bootless kneel?"
"Now, whilst your purpled hands do reek and smoke."
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war."
"Liberty, Freedom and Enfranchisement."
"Let me a little show it even in this."
"What urge you your petitions in the street?  Come to the Capital!"
"Speak hands for me!"

If I got any wrong I'm sure Partick will know.

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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:34 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A Call to Arms

  This probably isn't the best time to unite "Ape" fans, what with the infighting going on in this group and last night's announcement that any new POTA DVDs are a long way off (have you hugged your POTA DVD box set today? You two are going to be together for a while). But in about 3 weeks the 40th anniversary year begins and I want us to renew our faith. We can celebrate. Who needs Fox? Pierre Boulle didn't need them 40 years ago when he put pen to paper. No need to complain; Fox has been very generous with their DVDs, basically giving us the TV show collection out of the goodness of their hearts, because they know no other way. But we're on our own this anniversary.

  To begin with, this weekend I want to take stock and see where this group is at in terms of numbers. There's been some controversy and no one can be blamed for calling it quits after what's been going down here. So the Grand Experiment is this: I'm asking EVERYONE, please, if you still are in this group (and maybe even enjoy it), now is the time to be heard. I'd like everyone to e-mail the title of their favorite "Apes" films; not necessarily the best one, but their personal favorite. You don't even have to give your name, rank and serial #. Just send the movie title. We'll announce a winner. If you receive this group and you never post, just do this one thing.

  Remember "Horton Hears A Who"? Horton admonished the Whos to stand up and be counted. Now's the time to show each other and those who think honest communication isn't commercial enough that we're in this group because we want to share our interest and love of POTA in our own way. As Horton said, ""Bang on a pot, bang on a drum...call on a zilliphone, bang on your bum" (or something like that) and say, "I'm here!", "I'm heRE!", "I'M HERE!". One post, one movie from EVERYONE, even those we never hear from. That's my challenge. Otherwise, you don't exist, man! It must be weird being you.  And then what will you say when you're asked, "What did you do during the POTA group, Daddy?" Future generations are looking to you.

  One post, one movie, from everyone.

  Oh, and this weekend will be the conclusion of the Starcon panel, with more stuff to come. Thanks for your attention.

                                                      - - -  Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Patrick" in a rubber suit again! ...

OK - yeah, and you can add kangaroos - they are large varmin and are
treated as such.

But they're cute!  Not as cute as Kowalla Bears, but still, they're indiginous.  And the rabbits and cats weren't.

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <melkor@...>; <Michael.Whitty@...>;
<abmac@...>; <alan@...>; <Apefan23@...>;
<apeman@...>; <dballard@...>;
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Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Ground Rules"? (OT in that
it's not Ape related


> Stop the Planet of the Apes....I want to get off....
>
> When did this stuff stop becoming fun?
>
> Someone email me when this is all over. I just want to be in a group where
I
> can get the latest Apes news and I can discuss things like the death of
Kim
> Hunter when it happens. All of this other "BS" bores the crap out of
me....
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

damn, its hard for me to choose between the 1st pota and ESCAPE.  I guess my vote is for the TV SERIES!!! (what? can't do that? okay)  Okay, my vote is for the original.  Dave you are a love but James F. was a cowering weenie dog in Beneath.

Now I have to address an issue that involves both groups, and since I think almost everyone from the new group is still here, I'll say it here.  No, Patrick, I don't have a huge problem with what's going on in the new group (unless its something on the order of impatience), not any more than the shit that's went on over here.  This is pota, this is for fun (for me) and I enjoy hearing opinions about pota.  Yahoo groups are not set up to be a democracy, it a FUCKING yahoo group, one person of which is the owner.  The owner says take it or leave it and being that its JUST a fucking yahoo group, I'll leave it if it pisses me off too much.  So now the bullshit has spread to both groups, I don't like it, but I'll just read AROUND the bullshit, as I've grown somehow fond of this twisted little universe.  God help me.

That's all, folks.

>

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 1:34 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Call to Arms

Well..I'm here...but I think you all know that.

 

Michael Whitty from Canberra, AUSTRALIA.

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:34 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A Call to Arms

  This probably isn't the best time to unite "Ape" fans, what with the infighting going on in this group and last night's announcement that any new POTA DVDs are a long way off (have you hugged your POTA DVD box set today? You two are going to be together for a while). But in about 3 weeks the 40th anniversary year begins and I want us to renew our faith. We can celebrate. Who needs Fox? Pierre Boulle didn't need them 40 years ago when he put pen to paper. No need to complain; Fox has been very generous with their DVDs, basically giving us the TV show collection out of the goodness of their hearts, because they know no other way. But we're on our own this anniversary.

  To begin with, this weekend I want to take stock and see where this group is at in terms of numbers. There's been some controversy and no one can be blamed for calling it quits after what's been going down here. So the Grand Experiment is this: I'm asking EVERYONE, please, if you still are in this group (and maybe even enjoy it), now is the time to be heard. I'd like everyone to e-mail the title of their favorite "Apes" films; not necessarily the best one, but their personal favorite. You don't even have to give your name, rank and serial #. Just send the movie title. We'll announce a winner. If you receive this group and you never post, just do this one thing.

  Remember "Horton Hears A Who"? Horton admonished the Whos to stand up and be counted. Now's the time to show each other and those who think honest communication isn't commercial enough that we're in this group because we want to share our interest and love of POTA in our own way. As Horton said, ""Bang on a pot, bang on a drum...call on a zilliphone, bang on your bum" (or something like that) and say, "I'm here!", "I'm heRE!", "I'M HERE!". One post, one movie from EVERYONE, even those we never hear from. That's my challenge. Otherwise, you don't exist, man! It must be weird being you.  And then what will you say when you're asked, "What did you do during the POTA group, Daddy?" Future generations are looking to you.

  One post, one movie, from everyone.

  Oh, and this weekend will be the conclusion of the Starcon panel, with more stuff to come. Thanks for your attention.

                                                      - - -  Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Patrick" in a rubber suit again! ...

OK - yeah, and you can add kangaroos - they are large varmin and are
treated as such.

But they're cute!  Not as cute as Kowalla Bears, but still, they're indiginous.  And the rabbits and cats weren't.
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----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 5:00 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] RE: FAVORITE movie and other stuff (rated M for language)

damn, its hard for me to choose between the 1st pota and ESCAPE.  I guess my vote is for the TV SERIES!!! (what? can't do that? okay)  Okay, my vote is for the original.  Dave you are a love but James F. was a cowering weenie dog in Beneath.

Now I have to address an issue that involves both groups, and since I think almost everyone from the new group is still here, I'll say it here.  No, Patrick, I don't have a huge problem with what's going on in the new group (unless its something on the order of impatience), not any more than the shit that's went on over here.  This is pota, this is for fun (for me) and I enjoy hearing opinions about pota.  Yahoo groups are not set up to be a democracy, it a FUCKING yahoo group, one person of which is the owner.  The owner says take it or leave it and being that its JUST a fucking yahoo group, I'll leave it if it pisses me off too much.  So now the bullshit has spread to both groups, I don't like it, but I'll just read AROUND the bullshit, as I've grown somehow fond of this twisted little universe.  God help me.

That's all, folks.

Kassidy

---

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

<<This is what James predicted.

I'm surprised, and still waiting for others' opinions.>>

I don't get it...

Matt

>
> I'm Rory (aka the troublemaker) and my favorite is the BEST, you know its
> name, PLANET OF THE APES!
>

>
> I wonder why no one (Marvel?) ever did comic stories from the

>
>

>
> The scene in "Beneath" in the steam room ruins an otherwise outstanding f=
> ilm. - - - Jeff
>