> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "libraryape <toosexy4u54@h...>"
> <toosexy4u54@h...> wrote:
> > Thank you Patrick. This is great. I agree that Conquest is the

> out all of them. Years ago I read the book and find that somehow

> of it has stuck in my memory banks. The only one that is still on

> library shelves is "Battle" done my David Gerrold. I have met this
> guy, who advised me to write my own stuff. Funny to hear that

> from a guy who broke into the business with "Trouble with

> Anyway, he was getting drunk by the moment so I didn't take his
> advice too seriously until I about year ago, heard him during a

> say the same thing. When will I ever learn?
> >
> > Hover cars huh? Cool. Now I'm free to hover all I want. If there
> is any indication of other technologies let me know. I could use

> the help I can muster until I can get my hands on the book.

> there are hover cars, air travel is still used, right? I ask this
> because one of main characters in my book is a pilot.
>
> *** Yeah, air travel is still used, considering that Armando &

> arrive at Breck's city via helicopter. I would guess that airplanes
> are still in use, too, since the safety record of airline travel
> (despite "9-11") is far better than automobile travel.
> As for "other technologies", there's a scene in CONQUEST which is
> kind of hard to make out the dialogue, but in Jakes' novelization

> goes like this:
>
> ----------(from Chapter 3, pages 27-28)-----------
>
> He [Caesar] put down a flyer, moved to the next table. Two
> obviously prosperous black men sat talking, oblivious to the white-
> jacketed captain preparing crepes suzette on his cart. Beside the
> captain stood a young chimp busboy, studiously watching the human
> hands manipulate the chafing dish.
> "--real future's in hydroponic farming," one of the men was
> saying. "I was telling my son last night--"
> "Oh, for God's sake, Harry, why steer him into something like
> that? The big money's in synthetic alloys--"
> Caesar laid a handbill between them. The first man picked it up,
> gave it one look, tossed it aside as his friend argued. "IF you're
> selling to the government. But look what's happened to the space
> program. Cut to the bone."
> "It'll come back."
> "Oh? That's what you said about the supersonic transport, Harry."
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> This background chatter gives a slight hint at what's going on in

> outside world. Here you got these two businessmen who are

> in "the big money" (Capitalism at its worst, a Socialist would

> and their concerns don't seem to be in exploiting any technology

> the sake of bettering the Human condition. It's all about making
> the "big money", buying stock in companies which produce Product
> which will Sell--and make them Rich.
> There's also more than a hint that the Government has been exerting
> an undue influence on Business, contrary to a truly "Free Market"
> economy. The "space program" one of them mentions has been "cut to
> the bone" by the Government--and, evidently, there isn't any

> Civilian space program, run by business entrepreneurs. And the same
> Government probably has enough influence to "shelve" a more

> form of aviation: the "supersonic transport". Rather than advancing
> technology ("building a better mousetrap"), the oppressive

> has stifled innovation, keeping airplane technology at

> level (no "Concorde" jets flyin' in the skies here, folks).
>
> The "hydroponic farming" Harry mentions suggests that the "family
> farm" has all but died out as an American way of life. With the

> controlling the way Food is mass-produced, they have a metaphorical
> choke-hold on the People. People with money to invest are being
> steered into putting it into those businesses which make more food
> for more people in CONTROLLED environments--hydroponics. As the
> average family farm--which can't compete against Government-
> subsidized food production programs--goes "belly-up", that means

> the Citizenry will literally have to toe-the-line when the State
> wants them to conform, since it's either "obey or starve".
>
> One other "technology" which is new (in the POTA universe) is
> the "Authenticator", which is the ultimate Lie-detector: not only

> it somehow ascertain that the subject submitting to it IS telling a
> lie... it can also FORCE that person to tell the truth--as when
> Armando, answering Kolp's question (as to whether or not he told

> truth regarding the Ape-onauts), whispers a reluctant "No."
> As Kolp tells Armando, the Authenticator "makes people tell the
> truth". Before that, right before the auction where Breck purchases
> Caesar, there are a couple of paragraphs describing the ongoing
> interrogation of Armando:
>
> ------------(page 82)-----------
>
> Kolp had stopped in, haggard. He'd reported that, after days of
> interrogation--twice interrupted when Armando had to be rushed to

> infirmary for injections to repair the ravages of the questioning--
> the circus owner still persisted in telling his original story.

> and Hoskyns were now asking for the governor's signed permission to
> employ the Authenticator.
> Signed permission indeed! The pretense of civil liberties was a
> farce, but Kolp and Hoskyns were shrewd enough not to use the

> without higher authority.
> Breck had dodged the issue. Although widely used by police
> departments, the Authenticator was, in the view of the forty

> who sat on the Most Supreme Court in Washington, an instrument of
> coercion and, therefore, illegal except in matters of national
> security.
> It would be Breck's decision. The situation didn't qualify; and
> yet, he had a deep-seated worry that perhaps, in a peculiar way, it
> did...
>
> --------------------------
>
> The first thing one should wonder is: Why doesn't Breck have CAESAR
> strapped to that chair under the Authenticator, rather than

> to an electroshock table, when he wants to find out whether or not

> IS the "talking ape" child of Zira? Why not subject Caesar to the
> Authenticator, which can MAKE him tell the truth against his own

>
> Perhaps Breck has a cruel streak; he WANTS Caesar to suffer that
> horrid form of "electrical conditioning" which he had escaped

> his brief time at Ape Management. Also, from a symbolic standpoint,
> they needed Caesar to be "crucified" like Christ--tortured by
> the "Roman"-like authorities and then Executed... an Execution from
> which Caesar could "miraculously" be "Resurrected" (since he never
> really died). "The King is dead... LONG LIVE THE KING!"
>
> One off-shoot technology I've speculated on could use the

> principle of the Authenticator as a beneficial invention. The
> Authenticator is a machine that can somehow "read" brainwaves and
> then impose another brainwave pattern onto the person being

> when used by Kolp, it does so against the will of the person. But
> imagine somebody who just has a hard time understanding a

> subject (like, say, Calculus), being shown an educational film

> the subject... and a "brainwave" pattern which denotes the "Eureka"
> feeling of somebody who "gets it" (like a symbolic "lightbulb"
> lighting up above someone's head) is then superimposed on the
> student's mind. Might not such a "Teacher" machine be a way to

> Human intelligence? Imagine if a human mind--even an INFANT mind--
> could be FORCED to understand something, even a subject as

> as Differential Calculus, or a foreign language like Chinese or
> ancient Sumerian! Remember in "THE MATRIX", when Neo's
> mind "downloads" the Knowledge of Kung Fu, or how to fly that
> military helicopter? Maybe the Authenticator is just one type of
> invention amongst a whole host of other inventions which utilize

> same principle: Studying a human brainwave pattern and then
> superimposing upon that brain ANOTHER pattern.
> Maybe the Government is secretly studying how to use this principle
> to control unruly crowds (or enemy armies), by forcing a
> docile "state-of-mind" into the brains of people in anti-Government
> rallies, that sort of thing.
> The possibilities are, seemingly, endless...
>
> >
> > Another thing I wanted to ask Patrick, can I send you a chapter
> that mainly centers on Breck? It took me over three months to get a
> handle on his character. With only the movie to go on, I don't have
> much. In my mind the civic center has just been recently built. I'm
> wondering if this relevant. Unlike my writing e-mail, this chapter
> has been grammar checked with a grammar thumb of my friend and is
> tightened to the hilt.
>
> *** If you'd like to send it to me, sure: my e-mail address is
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... (although you might want to just send
> it to this website, so that everybody else--including "T", who's
> giving you grief about your spelling--can see it, too).

> I should point out that one of my pet peeves is bad

> etc., but after I was critical of the bad spelling (etc.) of a guy
> who used to post to this site (a guy who since has formed his own
> POTA Yahoo group, and shuns us like the Plague), he eventually
> mentioned that he was dyslexic--in other words, his "bad spelling"
> was something he had an excuse for. I apologized, but I think he
> still holds a grudge. I don't know if your spelling is due to
> dyslexia (or something similar), but I'd rather assume it IS, for
> now, rather than "dis" you about it. I find that people who do a

> of reading tend to acquire better and better spelling skills... as
> long as they don't read the lyric sheets of Rap albums, which have
> the WORST spellings imaginable, since they're INTENTIONALLY not
> accurate.
>
> >
> > As for Lisa. Yeah, her name is Lisa. I think you and Cozad did a
> great job in filling in the details. I now know that my character
> sees her first hand in the Command Post. This is the only

> Lisa will make in my tangent. Mrs. Riley huh? Bad girl. It's too

> Lisa can't talk yet or Mrs. Riley is in a whoooole lot of trouble.
> What a fine example to give an ape in regards to maritail (sp?)

>
> *** Is it that Lisa CAN'T talk yet... or has been purposely
> SUPPRESSING her ability to vocalize like a human?
> Obviously, given her complete fluency in BATTLE, Lisa must have had
> the physiognomical ability to talk like a human AT BIRTH; she

> just magically "acquire" the ability at the end of CONQUEST! She--
> like all the other "POTA"-like slave apes in CONQUEST--is NOT just
> a "mute" animal... but CAN speak. However, they all CHOOSE not to
> speak, since they must somehow know that to do so is a Death
> Sentence. But recall that every so often there are loudspeaker
> announcements by "the Watch Commander" reporting "unauthorized ape
> gatherings"... what are these apes doing when they "gather" in an
> unauthorized way? Since the TALKING apes of BATTLE are the SAME

> who were once enslaved in Breck's city, then perhaps they get
> together illicitly to talk to one another... in hushed whispers, of
> course. MacDonald (from BATTLE) mentions that the security cameras
> were installed "to forestall ape conspiracies". The apes, in order
> to "conspire", would have to communicate in some way; granted,

> was able to instill a fair level of Civil Disobedience with a non-
> vocal "look" (like when that shoe-shining ape starts smearing the
> stuff on that human's sock), but given the physical ability to

> (which is established beyond doubt not only in BATTLE, but at the

> of CONQUEST, when Lisa speaks), I contend that those "conspiring"
> apes were probably whispering to one another--probably in a

> other than English, since they all were shipped to America from
> Africa, Borneo, etc. In other words: the Apes possessed not only

> physical ability to speak prior to their enslavement (during which
> they pretended to be Mute, out of fear), but also a LANGUAGE OF

> OWN. Cornelius tells the Presidential Commission that English had
> been the language of his ancestors going back "2000 years,

> but that does NOT mean that it was the ONLY language his people had
> ever spoken. Perhaps those "glyph" symbols on the simian clothing
> are, like cuneiform and hieroglyphics, phonetic-based

> in an earlier "original" Ape language, which they set aside in

> of the language of Caesar (their Savior) and of the later-enslaved
> Humans (whom they might not have wished to learn the Ape language,

> keep it "pure" perhaps).
>
> >
> > Okay, least but not last, what would you as both a writer and a

> think if I created a character that is related to Taylor? I know he
> didn't have anything tying him down as he explains in the movie,

> he must have family. I'm thinking also to have a character that is
> related to Stewart - the female Astronaut that didn't make it. A

> maybe ...?
>
> *** Taylor didn't have a Mate ("... so I left, because there was
> nobody to hold me there..."), but he probably did have family. I'd
> guess nephews/nieces & cousins, in all likelihood.
> I doubt if Stewart would've left a son behind, though that might

> be a wishful bias on my part; after all, Brent's "Skipper" had a

> & two daughters he left behind, so why not Stewart?
> Taylor refers to Stewart when he tells Nova that "she was to be
> the 'New Eve'... with our hot and eager help, of course..." In

> words, Stewart's role on the mission was to bear children as part

> a long-term colonization of their destination. Some people think

> ludicrous that 3 men and 1 woman would be a "base" for a potential
> colonizing program, yet Taylor suggests an even more limited one in
> BENEATH: "Where in hell do we go from here? Why don't we just stop
> off and found a human colony? All the kids'll learn to talk... sure
> they will..." Just him and Nova, founding a colony of "talking
> humans", with their first kids perhaps growing to adulthood and
> practicing inevitable incest in order to breed more & more, unless
> Taylor's sons and/or daughters interbreed with other "mute" humans,
> passing along the ability...
>
> But, hey, as far as your interest in inventing a character (or
> several) related to established characters in the POTA saga--go for
> it. After all, that's exactly what Paul Dehn did, when he
> invented "Baby Milo"/"Caesar" and his son, named "Cornelius" after
> his grandfather. Dehn took established characters (from PLANET) and
> invented new ones. The precedent is there for anybody to do the

> sort of thing. I know that I--for one--am making use of it for my
> project.
>
> Patrick

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

<<CAN'T STAND EITHER OF THEM!!!!!!>>

Thanks Rory. I knew I could count on you for an in-depth critical analysis of my
post!

Matt

>
> > Be patient and help those who are not as fortunate as you are.
> >
> That's what I thought I was doing. Forgive my rough style. It's

> raised. Yes, I too hated being called stupid in school. I still

> I usually beat them to the punch, writing BAKA, BAKA, BAKA on my

> compositions, to which my teacher will write in reply, No! No! No!

> aware of my disabilities. One thing I really can't stand is all

> Dad would correct my English in mid-sentence! But it worked.

> not always speak "Gooood Englich" especially if I'm doing a

> bit, at least I know the difference. So, though deriding someone's
> deficiencies may not be the kindest of techniques, it does work. I

> my folks make fun of my middle-aged spread one more time, I'll

> workout program I've been putting off. To quote the great Nick

> gotta be cruel to be kind."

> knowledge. All I ask of you and everyone here is not to snub me. I
> carry a lot scars from people who are grammer snobs. Please feel

> to correct me but with a constructive heart. Thanks :0)>

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> <<CAN'T STAND EITHER OF THEM!!!!!!>>
>
> Thanks Rory. I knew I could count on you for an in-depth critical

> post!
>
> Matt

>
>
>
> Also my screenwriting Prof.
> will get on your tits if you have a lot of typos, because he knows

> you try and sell something that unpolished in Hollywood, chances

> script readers for the suits will shitcan it no matter how good the

> are, and the higher ups will never even see it.

> <I want so much to be a part of this group and share my views and
> > knowledge. All I ask of you and everyone here is not to snub me.

> > carry a lot scars from people who are grammer snobs. Please feel
> free
> > to correct me but with a constructive heart. Thanks :0)>
>
> Hey Ms. Libraryape,
> for someone who has trouble with grammar, you still know how to
> express yourself in a very gracious way.
> Kassidy
>
> PS These guys are no-holds barred - been that way a long, long time.

> Scientists at U. C. Irvine (where some of "Conquest" was shot)

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@a...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lisa, slave of Mrs. Riley

>
>
> In a message dated 1/26/03 9:58:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>
>
>
> I think she means the books. Hey, come to think of

>
>
>
>
> Oh, I see. Yeah, I would say the novelizations of ESCAPE and

>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

>
> Matt

----- Original Message -----

From: libraryape <toosexy4u54@...>

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:50 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Neutrino telescope

Hey Jeff, talking about neutrinos have you ever heard of the Philip
Pulllman's Dark Materials series . . . "The Golden Compass" etc.???  -
-- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   Scientists at U. C. Irvine (where some of "Conquest" was shot)
are scheduled to announce today that they have had the first
successful test run of a new kind of telescope that looks for
neutrinos - - microscopic particles that could lead to "proof" of
other dimensions (perhaps the alternate universe Cornelius and Zira
started by going back in the ship?). I don't have time to go into it
now, but it's perhaps a red-letter day for science, the dawn of a new
Zira, er, era. No, I'm not drunk! Just ask Pat. - - - Jeff
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Haristas@a...
>   To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:10 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lisa, slave of Mrs. Riley
AND of the State... Al...
>
>
>   In a message dated 1/26/03 9:58:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
veetus@e... writes:
>
>
>
>       I think she means the books. Hey, come to think of
it, "Planet" is the best there, too. "Conquest" is the best
novelization of the sequels. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>   Oh, I see.   Yeah, I would say the novelizations of ESCAPE and
CONQUEST were the best and I tend to lean toward ESCAPE, but it's
been over twenty-five years since I read them.
>
>   -- Rory
>        
>              
>             
>       
>       
>
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> Okay now for POTA. Lisa being able to talk already is really
> interesting and might ring true. But if the apes could talk, why

>I suspect that the gathering apes were speaking a language

> Third, she had been around Caesar who not only shows her how it is

>
> In Myth I really touch upon these issues. I've done a lot research,

>
> I would like to send you the chapter privately at first as I feel

>
> Talk to you soon.
>
> Wendy

> *** Is it that Lisa CAN'T talk yet... or has been purposely

> In a message dated 2/1/03 3:13:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>
>
> > However, what I said in my last post, and to which you replied,

> >
> > Why don't the enslaved apes in Breck's city audibly use their

> >
> >
>
> Well, that's Patrick for you! This is the same as his humans in

>
> He's the silliest of POTA fans, that Patrick!
>
> -- Rory

> Sorry, Too Sexy, I haven't read, or even heard, of Philip

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: libraryape <toosexy4u54@h...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:50 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Neutrino telescope
>
>
> Hey Jeff, talking about neutrinos have you ever heard of the

> Pulllman's Dark Materials series . . . "The Golden Compass"

> -- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Scientists at U. C. Irvine (where some of "Conquest" was

> are scheduled to announce today that they have had the first
> successful test run of a new kind of telescope that looks for
> neutrinos - - microscopic particles that could lead to "proof" of
> other dimensions (perhaps the alternate universe Cornelius and

> started by going back in the ship?). I don't have time to go into

> now, but it's perhaps a red-letter day for science, the dawn of a

> Zira, er, era. No, I'm not drunk! Just ask Pat. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Haristas@a...
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lisa, slave of Mrs.

> AND of the State... Al...
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/26/03 9:58:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > I think she means the books. Hey, come to think of
> it, "Planet" is the best there, too. "Conquest" is the best
> novelization of the sequels. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, I see. Yeah, I would say the novelizations of ESCAPE

> CONQUEST were the best and I tend to lean toward ESCAPE, but it's
> been over twenty-five years since I read them.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 2:57 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Boston.com / Arts & Entertainment / News

From:  "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
Date:  Sun Feb 2, 2003  2:30 pm
Subject:  RE: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Boston.com / Arts & Entertainment / News

But I thought there were only very few fans????

Whitty, with quotes like the one from this guy (below) it's looking like there really may only be few...

"I have the movie at home and I watch from time to time," he adds. "I just love to watch the apes talking, it's just so fun. The movie is so overdramatic, there's definitely a campy appeal to it."

We've covered this ground before, but with "fans" that say stuff like this guy said, it's no wonder APES is still kept at arm's length by FOX... I HATE when people say it's "campy" or "cheesy" and all that other sh*t, and truthfully, I'd rather not even have them counted in... If that type of talk is what they think we all are saying, it's no wonder they pawn crap and don't give APES the treatment it deserves. Why would they {FOX} go thru the trouble of doing a Special Edition with all the extras when (after reading quotes like that guy said) they think that the public at large is just interested in "the fun talking Apes"? Anything worth including in a SE of APES would just be overlooked by those with that "It's campy" attitude...

And as for some of the other stuff in that article, like the beret wearing Cornelius... Same thing goes for that too... I have no use for that stuff. It's not cute, it's not funny, and it brings APES down in my opinion... I KNOW I am alone in that one, just the fact that so many seem to like that SIMPSONS parody show me that, but I can't help it... To ME (personally) things like that cheapen APES and make it look "campy" when it's NOT.


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<Whitty, with quotes like the one from this guy (below) it's looking like
there really may only be few...

"I have the movie at home and I watch from time to time," he adds. "I just
love to watch the apes talking, it's just so fun. The movie is so
overdramatic, there's definitely a campy appeal to it." >

Like it or not, part of the appeal for some fans is EXACTLY that.  If you choose not to take the serious meanings behind the story to heart, you are left with talking apes.  And that can be appealing, on it's own.  I can understand Cougar's dislike of it, but RORY!  Your usual hard-headed point is completely off the mark as far as fans like this go, unless the first POTA had NARY a talking ape in it?  And I say it yet AGAIN, yes the tv series had funny, over the top moments, but if you don't think the ORIGINAL movie did as well, you are full of it!  There are people out there like me who love the tv series (not to mention the blitz of Apes collectibles we were on the receiving end of, thanks to the TV SERIES). 

I am getting TIRED of your elitist rhetoric!  LONG LIVE THE TV SHOW!!!!!!

(Now I see why Patrick uses caps occasionally; the emphasis can be very satisfying as you are typing.)

KASSIDY!!!!!!!!!!

We've covered this ground before, but with "fans" that say stuff like this
guy said, it's no wonder APES is still kept at arm's length by FOX... I HATE
when people say it's "campy" or "cheesy" and all that other sh*t, and
truthfully, I'd rather not even have them counted in... If that type of talk
is what they think we all are saying, it's no wonder they pawn crap and don't
give APES the treatment it deserves. Why would they {FOX} go thru the trouble
of doing a Special Edition with all the extras when (after reading quotes
like that guy said) they think that the public at large is just interested in
"the fun talking Apes"? Anything worth including in a SE of APES would just
be overlooked by those with that "It's campy" attitude...

And as for some of the other stuff in that article, like the beret wearing

> (Now I see why Patrick uses caps occasionally; the emphasis can be

>
> KASSIDY!!!!!!!!!!

----- Original Message -----

From: patrickmichaeltilton <patrickmichaeltilton@...>

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:37 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A few responses

> (Now I see why Patrick uses caps occasionally; the emphasis can be
very satisfying as you are typing.)
>
> KASSIDY!!!!!!!!!!

*** The only reason I use caps occasionally is because I can't quite
figure out how to do italics on this DELL keyboard while doing
postings on Yahoo sites. So, when I want to STRESS something, I type
a word in caps, hoping that whoever reads it "hears" me giving the
word (or phrase) an extra emphasis, or "oomph!" And, sure, there are
times when a little yelling & ranting & raving is called for... but
10 exclamation marks, Kassidy? Ain't that a bit MUCH, girl??????????

Was POTA "milked"? Sure, you betcha. Remember MAD magazine's
parody, "The Milking of the Planet That Went Ape"? Sure, FOX milked
the bejeezus out of it. But POTA was a "cash cow" that had so much
milk in it that needed to get milked out of it, that we're all better
off for it. Contrast that with other movies that have been hashed, re-
hashed, and over-hashed after modest success... and--in contrast to
POTA--they're more like the "dry heaves" after all the barf & bile
has already been hawked up & out!

---------------

By the way, Rory, you're welcome (regarding the "Simius sapiens" bit
from Boulle)... and, given how f***ed up our Human species has
been/is/ever shall be, I'll take it as a compliment that you think
I'm an Alien. At least I don't have acid for blood, though. And I
don't have any interest in "probing" anybody's orifices, either!

----------------

One other thing: I once made reference to the fact that the plotline
of the TV episode "The Legacy" owes a hell of a lot to Isaac Asimov's
classic novel(s) "FOUNDATION", where Virdon & Pals come across a
holographic projector's message from an old "Scientist" who tells of
how all the scientific knowledge of Man's civilization had been
safeguarded in certain places, prior to the imminent destruction of
Western Civilization... just like Asimov's psychohistorian Hari
Seldon established a "Foundation" on a remote planet (Terminus) where
the scientific wisdom of 20,000 years of Galactic history has been
safeguarded in an "Encyclopedia Galactica" project, as the imminent
(and foreseen) Fall of the Galactic Empire approaches, and his long-
dead holographic recordings periodically appear to his successors,
telling them about how "the Selden Plan" is unfolding...

First off, if you haven't read Asimov's "FOUNDATION" novels, shame on
you! He wrote 7 of 'em, in all, and each one is nowhere near as thick
as a Stephen King shelf-buster. Go and read 'em, dammit! Also, go
read his ROBOT novels and his GALACTIC EMPIRE novels, too: his later
novels in the series tie 'em all together in a magnificent Saga of
future history.

Secondly, 3 "new" FOUNDATION novels (the "Second Foundation
Trilogy"), by Gregory Benford, Greg Bear, and David Brin (the "3
B's") is also well worth reading.
In the 1st of these 3 other books (Benford's--"FOUNDATION'S FEAR"),
there's a cool chapter about how an assassination attempt is made on
Hari Seldon, the Prime Minister of the Galactic Emperor, during his
vacation on a planet where non-human primates ("pans") are kept, as a
sort of nature preserve. While there, Hari and his partner/guardian
Dors Venabili get "hooked in" to a gizmo which is sorta like the
thing in "THE MATRIX" which people are enmeshed from the get-go...
but instead of a Virtual World of cyberspatial "reality", Hari & Dors
have their minds cybernetically transferred into the heads of two of
the Pans (or, Chimps) as their bodies rest in a machine-induced coma
state. Of course, it's while their minds are "dwelling" inside the
non-human bodies--experiencing Life through the sensory organs of
Chimps--that an attempt is made on his life... when they find that
they somehow can't "log out" (so to speak) of the apparatus.
Hari Selden--who, at this part of the story, is still trying to
figure out how to devise his exotic and prophetic branch of
Mathematics (Psychohistory)--wanted to get a better understanding of
Human behavior & motivations by understanding the more basic
behaviors & motivations of Humanity's nearest genetic relative: the
Pans/Chimps. Only by understanding such Primate behaviors can he hope
to devise overall "laws" of behavior in large groups.
Anyway, if you're an Asimov fan (as I am), then you'll probably dig
this book; and, since we're all POTA fans, you'll at least probably
dig this particular chapter... but read the entire book, please! It's
a good read, and the next 2 books (by Bear & Brin) are even better.

Patrick



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>
> > By the way, could you please call me Libraryape or willowape?
> > Toosexy is my daughter's hotmail site. When I joined this site
>
> How about Sexy Ape?

> Blush--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > > By the way, could you please call me Libraryape or willowape?
> > > Toosexy is my daughter's hotmail site. When I joined this site
> >
> > How about Sexy Ape?

> I agree with Cougar about the Campy camp, though I do like the

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 2:57 PM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Boston.com / Arts &

>
>
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
> Date: Sun Feb 2, 2003 2:30 pm
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Boston.com / Arts &

>
> But I thought there were only very few fans????
>
> Whitty, with quotes like the one from this guy (below) it's

>
> "I have the movie at home and I watch from time to time," he

>
> We've covered this ground before, but with "fans" that say stuff

>
> And as for some of the other stuff in that article, like the

>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

> I take the Planet of the Apes very seriously. It might have its

> moments but POTA conveys a very strong message. There is nothing
> campy about that. ---

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Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Neutrino telescope

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>
> > By the way, could you please call me Libraryape or willowape?
> > Toosexy is my daughter's hotmail site. When I joined this site
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> How about Sexy Ape?


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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:23 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Montalban "Biography"

In a message dated 2/5/03 10:26:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

A & E 's "Biography" tonight is Ricardo Montalban. It's on at 9 PM Pacific, maybe Midnight Eastern. - - Jeff

I watched it at 8 p.m. Eastern.  They had coverage of both ESCAPE and CONQUEST, but that shouldn't have come as a surprise since the program was produced by Fox.

-- Rory

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Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Naughton news

Here's some interesting news for Kassidy!

Newman in 'Our Town' Coming to TV
The Broadway production of Our Town starring Paul Newman -- his first appearance on Broadway in 38 years -- is being filmed by Showtime and PBS for presentation on Masterpiece Theatre's American Collection later this year. The play ended a nine-week limited run on Jan. 26 at the Booth Theatre in New York, where it is being filmed this week. James Naughton, who directed the stage version, is directing the television version as well. Newman made his first television appearance as The Boy in a 1955 musical version of the Thornton Wilder play, which co-starred Frank Sinatra as The Stage Manager and Eva Marie Saint as The Girl.

"I admit I was hesitant to ask Naughton about one of his TV roles, an ill-fated series that people barely remember, "The wonderful thing about Planet of the Apes -the only wonderful thing about it was that it led to a lifelong friendship with Roddy McDowall. I wasn't dying to do that show but I was living in LA and had a $400 rent payment that was about two weeks overdue, which was a lot of money at the time. I had two children, I was in my twenties and I had said no to this project three times. Finally, another week went by and I said, 'I guess I better say yes.' But with the money I made I bought the house I was renting." Well, at least he had a happier ending than the show did. "

the rest of the interview (along with a POTA pic) is at:

> A & E 's "Biography" tonight is Ricardo Montalban. It's on at 9

> Ok, I don't know your whole computer situation and all, but as far

> Just an idea...
>
> As far as if I just reply to a post via the egroup itself, then I

> By the way, Patrick, I mentioned on the film group that Fox has

----- Original Message -----

From: patrickmichaeltilton <patrickmichaeltilton@...>

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:31 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Montalban "Biography"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   A & E 's "Biography" tonight is Ricardo Montalban. It's on at 9
PM Pacific, maybe Midnight Eastern. - - Jeff

*** I saw it--it was good. One thing sorta bothered me, though: when
talking about his role of Armando, he lamented that they
(Dehn) "killed him off"--evidently, he would have liked to perform
the role in however many more POTA movies they were inclined to do.
However, the killing of Armando (or, the driving-to-suicide of
Armando) is necessary to the plot of CONQUEST and crucial to the
further development of the character of Caesar. Until Armando dies,
Caesar has every reason to hope that somehow he and his "foster
father" can somehow escape from Breck's city and go back to the
Circus... but when Armando dies, Caesar channels his rage into his
Ape Revolution activities.
And in BATTLE, he struggles with the morality of whether or not is is
Right or Wrong to kill that which is evil, so that Good can prevail.
He specifically mentions (in the script, at any rate) how Armando had
told him that "we must all live together in peace, or DIE", before
lamenting further that his REAL father (Cornelius) had died too soon
to impart such wisdom... wisdom he needs to be a "good and wise king"
to his people.
When Caesar makes slurs against the dwellers in the Forbidden City--
calling them "malformed... they're mutants... and they're MAD..."--
Lisa provokes him with a reminder of "the freaks in [his] foster-
father's circus". Were THEY mad, too?
BATTLE is the story of an Orphan who needs to find wisdom that only
his dead parents can give to him (or so he believes)... wisdom that
he needs to govern fairly over a mixed-species population. He can
never forget that he owes his life to a kind human (Armando) who
raised him, and to another kind human who twice saved his life
(MacDonald in CONQUEST). He cannot subject all humans to brutality
(as Aldo would like) because of the "exceptions" to the "rule"
that "humans won't be kind until we FORCE them". Armando HAD to die
in order for Caesar to have the need to go on his quest with Virgil
and MacDonald to the Archives. Had Armando lived, somehow, then
undoubtedly Caesar would have deferred these nagging questions about
Morality to Armando, who would have given him advice that he couldn't
help but respect--even more so than the dissenting voices of those
Apes who want nothing but revenge against Man for his crimes against
Apes and against the World.

But, yeah, I can see how Montalban--who wasn't getting much work at
the time--would have wanted to continue acting in POTA sequels. It
was a good part to play, and it helped keep him "on the map" when
they were fishing for talent to star in "Fantasy Island".

Patrick



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From: patrickmichaeltilton <patrickmichaeltilton@...>

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:48 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: "I, Robot" (OT)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   By the way, Patrick, I mentioned on the film group that Fox has
staked out July 3 2004 for their film of "I, Robot", starring Will
Smith. - - - Jeff

*** After the "family-friendly" botch of "BICENTENNIAL MAN" (the
Robin Williams flick), I'm gritting my teeth at the idea of Will
Smith ruining another movie based on something I dig.

I absolutely LOVE Isaac Asimov's stories/novels in his Saga of future
history: his ROBOTS, GALACTIC EMPIRE, and FOUNDATION books. I suspect
that the Will Smith project is actually "The Caves of Steel", where
he would probably play the Elijah Bailey role--unless, that is, Fox
is doing a film version of Harlan Ellison's screenplay "I, Robot"
(based somewhat loosely on Asimov's short story collection).

Regardless... I'm not thrilled with the prospect of having Will Smith
in ANY film. Some people detest Ben Affleck (though even some Affleck
haters are giving him good reviews for "Daredevil")... but I'd rather
see Affleck as Elijah Bailey than Will Smith. And keep Mark Wahlberg
away, too, goddammit!
Actually, I think that Harrison Ford would be a better choice for
Bailey... though after doing "BLADE-RUNNER", another movie about
robots ("replicants") and a detective, he might not be inclined to do
it. At any rate, he would lend an air of "gravitas" to the role which
a younger actor just couldn't.

Will Smith should just stick to doing crap like "Bad Boys". He
should've had the sense to turn down the offer to be in "Wild Wild
West"... but he didn't and it STANK and he's pissed off enough people
to not want to see him in ANYTHING else ever again.

Hmmm... maybe as a zombie in the up-coming remake of "DAWN OF THE
DEAD"--he could be staggering around for a few seconds on-screen
before a shotgun blast sends his brains all over the window of a
store in whatever mall they're gonna film it...

Now THAT I'd pay to see!

Patrick



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From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:42 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: "I, Robot" (OT)

  www.comingsoon.net says "I, Robot" will be based on 9 Asimov short stories aand that the title character will be acted and then CGed over ( a la Gollum in "Lord of the Rings"). This "Mad Max" are the sci-fi films Fox is doing in what should be the year of POTA2 ( on average,  big sequels come out 3 years after the previous installment).  POTA2? AH HA HA HA!  - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: patrickmichaeltilton <patrickmichaeltilton@...>

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:48 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: "I, Robot" (OT)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   By the way, Patrick, I mentioned on the film group that Fox has
staked out July 3 2004 for their film of "I, Robot", starring Will
Smith. - - - Jeff

*** After the "family-friendly" botch of "BICENTENNIAL MAN" (the
Robin Williams flick), I'm gritting my teeth at the idea of Will
Smith ruining another movie based on something I dig.

I absolutely LOVE Isaac Asimov's stories/novels in his Saga of future
history: his ROBOTS, GALACTIC EMPIRE, and FOUNDATION books. I suspect
that the Will Smith project is actually "The Caves of Steel", where
he would probably play the Elijah Bailey role--unless, that is, Fox
is doing a film version of Harlan Ellison's screenplay "I, Robot"
(based somewhat loosely on Asimov's short story collection).

Regardless... I'm not thrilled with the prospect of having Will Smith
in ANY film. Some people detest Ben Affleck (though even some Affleck
haters are giving him good reviews for "Daredevil")... but I'd rather
see Affleck as Elijah Bailey than Will Smith. And keep Mark Wahlberg
away, too, goddammit!
Actually, I think that Harrison Ford would be a better choice for
Bailey... though after doing "BLADE-RUNNER", another movie about
robots ("replicants") and a detective, he might not be inclined to do
it. At any rate, he would lend an air of "gravitas" to the role which
a younger actor just couldn't.

Will Smith should just stick to doing crap like "Bad Boys". He
should've had the sense to turn down the offer to be in "Wild Wild
West"... but he didn't and it STANK and he's pissed off enough people
to not want to see him in ANYTHING else ever again.

Hmmm... maybe as a zombie in the up-coming remake of "DAWN OF THE
DEAD"--he could be staggering around for a few seconds on-screen
before a shotgun blast sends his brains all over the window of a
store in whatever mall they're gonna film it...

Now THAT I'd pay to see!

Patrick



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> What's your favorite POTA fan moment? - - - Jeff

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 5:33 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite "Ape" Moment

One of them was stumbling across an internet site that mentioned Cameron was doing a sequel with Arnie in a lead role.  I don’t think those 2 have combined on anything that flopped.  I thought this would be the start of a new era and would really put POTA back on the map.

 

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite "Ape" Moment

 

In a message dated 2/8/03 3:28:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

What's your favorite POTA fan moment? - - - Jeff

First seeing PLANET in '68, of course!

-- Rory
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Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 5:33 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite "Ape" Moment

One of them was stumbling across an internet site that mentioned Cameron was doing a sequel with Arnie in a lead role.  I don’t think those 2 have combined on anything that flopped.  I thought this would be the start of a new era and would really put POTA back on the map.

 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, 9 February 2003 7:58 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite "Ape" Moment

 

In a message dated 2/8/03 3:28:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

What's your favorite POTA fan moment? - - - Jeff

First seeing PLANET in '68, of course!

-- Rory
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Hey Rory glad to see you arise from the dead, especially after you didn't respond to my "elitist" jab. No dear heart I didn't see "Robinson C on Mars" because I forgot you sent it to me.  But I'll amend that oversight shortly and get back to you.

Favorite POTA moments:  When the tv series first came on, naturally.  I would have killed anyone in the family who tried to watch something else (I was pretty fierce at that age). 

Let's see, they had a weekend run of the POTA movies, one per weekend, at the Bijou Theater (a very old and lovely place).  I had to ride a bus to get downtown, and I went religiously. 

Of course, they had a run on television too and so I had my best friend Rhonda over for that which was great. 

And then when I finally got the original POTA on video and sat around with my girlfriends, giggling and eating junk food and stopping the tape at opportune moments to giggle a little more. 

And OF COURSE when the tv series came out on dvd -- I could NOT believe it!  (I bought 2 in case one got messed up).  And then I found the friends_and_fugitives group and made some friends.  They're pretty quiet over there now but it was fun while it lasted.  And I wrote some fan fic which was LOADS of fun.

The other times I told you about before -- when you first see the apes in the original movie, and how I thrilled to that distinctive POTA music (and I still love the music in the tv series, although some would disagree with me there). WOW!

I was excited when I heard James Cameron was in on the new POTA, and disappointed when I heard about Tim Burton.  I never liked Tim.  Still I give that movie credit for a great opening and good make-up (although the noses looked a bit too much like plastic upholstery).  It did have its merits -- the problem was that it couldn't live up to the legend.

Not to get mushy over you weirdos but to commemorate the anniversary I have to say I am glad to find there are others out there who have an enduring fascination for POTA.  We must be strange.  HAH OF COURSE WE'RE STRANGE! 

It goes to show, there is SOMETHING about POTA that will live on forever -- the perfect combination of social commentary, satire, dire warnings about human civilization (and the threat we are to Earth itself), etc. etc., and of course APES RULE! HUMANS DROOL! sort of thing.  Long live apes!

> Here's a topic for the 35th Anniversary: what is your favorite

> What's your favorite POTA fan moment? - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: veetus@e...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: "I, Robot" (OT)
>
>
> www.comingsoon.net says "I, Robot" will be based on 9 Asimov

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:48 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: "I, Robot" (OT)
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > By the way, Patrick, I mentioned on the film group that Fox

> staked out July 3 2004 for their film of "I, Robot", starring

> Smith. - - - Jeff
>
> *** After the "family-friendly" botch of "BICENTENNIAL MAN"

> Robin Williams flick), I'm gritting my teeth at the idea of

> Smith ruining another movie based on something I dig.
>
> I absolutely LOVE Isaac Asimov's stories/novels in his Saga of

> history: his ROBOTS, GALACTIC EMPIRE, and FOUNDATION books. I

> that the Will Smith project is actually "The Caves of Steel",

> he would probably play the Elijah Bailey role--unless, that is,

> is doing a film version of Harlan Ellison's screenplay "I,

> (based somewhat loosely on Asimov's short story collection).
>
> Regardless... I'm not thrilled with the prospect of having Will

> in ANY film. Some people detest Ben Affleck (though even some

> haters are giving him good reviews for "Daredevil")... but I'd

> see Affleck as Elijah Bailey than Will Smith. And keep Mark

> away, too, goddammit!
> Actually, I think that Harrison Ford would be a better choice

> Bailey... though after doing "BLADE-RUNNER", another movie

> robots ("replicants") and a detective, he might not be inclined

> it. At any rate, he would lend an air of "gravitas" to the role

> a younger actor just couldn't.
>
> Will Smith should just stick to doing crap like "Bad Boys". He
> should've had the sense to turn down the offer to be in "Wild

> West"... but he didn't and it STANK and he's pissed off enough

> to not want to see him in ANYTHING else ever again.
>
> Hmmm... maybe as a zombie in the up-coming remake of "DAWN OF

> DEAD"--he could be staggering around for a few seconds on-

> before a shotgun blast sends his brains all over the window of

> store in whatever mall they're gonna film it...
>
> Now THAT I'd pay to see!
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
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>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

----- Original Message -----

From: libraryape <toosexy4u54@...>

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 4:56 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Favorite "Ape" Moment

My favorite "ape" moment was when Roddy McDowall appeared on the
Carol Burnett show as his usual ape self. Anyone remember??? (This
was in honor of the TV show) They sang a song which I think was
called "Happy we would be" It was so funny when Carol pointed out
that Roddy looked a little different. Roddy having spent the week
before in Palm Springs, he thinks she's referring to his tan instead
of the ape make-up. I wrote Carol about how much I loved the show or
skit. Being the great person she is, she wrote back. Today I still
have this letter and many others as we kept in touch for about two
years.  When Roddy past on, I happened to come across this particular
letter when going through my collectibles and started to cry. I don't
know if this is my favorite moment since it left me grieving. Maybe
this a more profound moment than favorite for me ---next to seeing
Zira for the first time on my black and white tv screen. --- In
pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   Here's a topic for the 35th Anniversary: what is your favorite
POTA moment as a fan? I've been lucky to go to some incredible events
and know some of the POTA folks, and I was going to pick one of
those. But thinking about it, I chose this moment. I think (besides
when I first saw the productions) my favorite "Apes" moment was when
I first saw "Behind the POTA". The day the 30th Anniversary VHS box
set came out, after work I went to my local "Suncoast" to buy it. The
deal was, buy the box set and send away for the doc. But the first
box sets included the doc. So I watched the doc that day; this was
before it had even been on TV. I was just blown away. Longtime "Ape"
fans know how neglected the stuff was while "Star Trek" and "Star
Wars" were celebrated ad infinitum. I'd heard about this doc being
made from Eric Greene and others, but that didn't prepare me for how
detailed it was, and how many participants there were. And hearing
how dead on and wonderful their comments were. POTA or not, few film
docs are of this quality both in the production and the writing. To
me, part of that is Eric Greene's comments, which added a thoughtful
element one wouldn't expect. And knowing Eric made the doc seem
almost 3D. I couldn't believe how much he was in it. After I watched
it I called him, but he didn't want to know anything about the doc
until he saw it for himself. I think I literally thanked God for the
documentary. What came after, the Medicoms, going to the official Fox
party, all the hype over the remake, was great but by then I could
expect it. But seeing that doc for the first time was when I realized
this 2nd coming was for real. Complain all you want about the remake,
I don't think this doc would've happened without it. So to the remake
and Fox I will be eternally grateful.
>   What's your favorite POTA fan moment? - - - Jeff
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: veetus@e...
>   To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:42 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: "I, Robot" (OT)
>
>
>     www.comingsoon.net says "I, Robot" will be based on 9 Asimov
short stories aand that the title character will be acted and then
CGed over ( a la Gollum in "Lord of the Rings"). This "Mad Max" are
the sci-fi films Fox is doing in what should be the year of POTA2 (
on average,  big sequels come out 3 years after the previous
installment).  POTA2? AH HA HA HA!  - - - Jeff
>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: patrickmichaeltilton <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
>     To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>     Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:48 AM
>     Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: "I, Robot" (OT)
>
>
>     --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>     >   By the way, Patrick, I mentioned on the film group that Fox
has
>     staked out July 3 2004 for their film of "I, Robot", starring
Will
>     Smith. - - - Jeff
>
>     *** After the "family-friendly" botch of "BICENTENNIAL MAN"
(the
>     Robin Williams flick), I'm gritting my teeth at the idea of
Will
>     Smith ruining another movie based on something I dig.
>
>     I absolutely LOVE Isaac Asimov's stories/novels in his Saga of
future
>     history: his ROBOTS, GALACTIC EMPIRE, and FOUNDATION books. I
suspect
>     that the Will Smith project is actually "The Caves of Steel",
where
>     he would probably play the Elijah Bailey role--unless, that is,
Fox
>     is doing a film version of Harlan Ellison's screenplay "I,
Robot"
>     (based somewhat loosely on Asimov's short story collection).
>
>     Regardless... I'm not thrilled with the prospect of having Will
Smith
>     in ANY film. Some people detest Ben Affleck (though even some
Affleck
>     haters are giving him good reviews for "Daredevil")... but I'd
rather
>     see Affleck as Elijah Bailey than Will Smith. And keep Mark
Wahlberg
>     away, too, goddammit!
>     Actually, I think that Harrison Ford would be a better choice
for
>     Bailey... though after doing "BLADE-RUNNER", another movie
about
>     robots ("replicants") and a detective, he might not be inclined
to do
>     it. At any rate, he would lend an air of "gravitas" to the role
which
>     a younger actor just couldn't.
>
>     Will Smith should just stick to doing crap like "Bad Boys". He
>     should've had the sense to turn down the offer to be in "Wild
Wild
>     West"... but he didn't and it STANK and he's pissed off enough
people
>     to not want to see him in ANYTHING else ever again.
>
>     Hmmm... maybe as a zombie in the up-coming remake of "DAWN OF
THE
>     DEAD"--he could be staggering around for a few seconds on-
screen
>     before a shotgun blast sends his brains all over the window of
a
>     store in whatever mall they're gonna film it...
>
>     Now THAT I'd pay to see!
>
>     Patrick
>
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