--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/22/2003 5:30:07 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> > Yes, I'm an idiot
>
> I just had to highlight the only completly honest statement in
Mike's post.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/22/2003 5:30:07 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> > I think if he came out of the blue and accused you of the same
you would
> > defend yourself, as I did.
>
> The way he defends himself is to slander you, and then delete your
responses,
> and then if you try to respond on a different group he kicks you
off his
> group. So if you want to defend yourself like he does, that's how
to do it. Just
> thought you'd like to know the process.

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS PATHETIC

In a message dated 9/22/2003 10:48:20 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Hey, I'm still here. I'm ready to talk "Apes" when anyone else is. - - -

I am.  Anyone got a topic?
What's new in Ape News?

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [SMTP:LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 13:54
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS
> PATHETIC
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2003 4:52:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> gbharris1@... writes:
>
>
>
> YOU KNOW, IT REALLY SEEMS PATHETIC SEEING GROWN MEN SQUABBLE WITH
> EACH OTHER
>
>
>
> I have to agree with you there Greg. I've tried many times to bury the
> hatchet. But Whitty keeps fanning the flames. I've even refused to
> respond, but he finds old wounds (literally) to pick at. Ever since he
> gutted the POTA membership for POTADG, the original group has just become
> a forum for airing grips that the POTADG bylaw don't allow. If Mike
> actually has any APES to discuss, he does it all on the other group.
> It's funny but I think the original flame war was between Mike and Rory,
> and of all those caught up in it Rory is the only Officially welcome at
> DG. If I'm mistaken I'm sure he'll jump in to correct me. I'm sure
> he'll also extend a personal invitation to POTADG. Where the posts are
> kept on track with an iron fist.
>
>
>
>
> click here
> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170502
> 1437:HM/A=1732161/R=0/SIG=11p5b9ris/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=
> 30509&media=atkins>
>
> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupm
> ail/S=:HM/A=1732161/rand=899212400>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <
>
>

>
> I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND I'M SURE
> THEY FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT IT ALL TOO. MY POINT IS WHY DRIVE
> EVERYONE AWAY WHEN IT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO BE FUN AND ABOUT THE APES?
> IF THEY WANT TO ATTACK YOUR CHARACTER THEN LET THEM...BE MORE OF A
> MAN AND LET IT GO. DON'T SINK TO THEIR LEVEL AND DIGNIFY ANY OF IT
> WITH ANSWERS. THE SAME ADVICE GOES TO THE OTHER 2 ALSO. I'M NOT ON
> ANYONES SIDE...I JUST WANT IT TO STOP AND GET BACK TO THE APES.
>
> IF ANYONE ELSE FEELS THE SAME WAY, THEN LET THEM KNOW. I DON'T WANT
> TO BE THE ONLY ONE "CHASTISING THE CHILDREN" SO TO SPEAK, BUT IF I
> HAVE TO TO MAKE IT STOP THEN I WILL. LIKE I SAID...LET'S HAVE FUN
> AND QUIT ALL THIS NONSENSE.
>
> GREG
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [SMTP:LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 13:54
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS
> PATHETIC
>
> Where the posts are kept on track with an iron fist.
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [SMTP:LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 14:03
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS
> PATHETI C
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2003 5:30:07 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@... writes:
>
>
>
> Yes, I'm an idiot
>
>
>
> I just had to highlight the only completly honest statement in Mike's
> post.
>
>
>
>
> click here
> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170502
> 1437:HM/A=1732163/R=0/SIG=11n0nglqg/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=
> 30510&media=zone>
>
> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupm
> ail/S=:HM/A=1732163/rand=355635354>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [SMTP:veetus@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 14:02
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] This Old Group
>
> There are people here with interesting things to say who aren't on other
> groups. For those who have the stomach to hang on for the ride, I salute
> you. - - - Jeff
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:49 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A TOPIC!

In a message dated 9/23/03 12:38:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Well, I heard over the DG, er, I mean, there's talk of an "Apes 2" and Fox may be wanting to hear ideas from the fans so they get it right. Linda Harrison innuendoed about it on her site ( www.lindaharrison.com

). So, what do people want in a sequel, or is it too late to be saved. I say pick up with Marky Mark on that planet and stay there. New characters, a better story (not necessarily set in a city, there's other places on that planet. Marky can be the bridge with the other film, otherwise start from scratch and make it topical. No more self-conscious "Talk your stinking paws off me" stuff. - - - Jeff

I don't want to talk about that.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

>
> In a message dated 9/22/2003 4:52:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> gbharris1@... writes:
>
> > YOU KNOW, IT REALLY SEEMS PATHETIC SEEING GROWN MEN SQUABBLE WITH EACH
> > OTHER
>
> I have to agree with you there Greg. I've tried many times to bury the
> hatchet. But Whitty keeps fanning the flames. I've even refused to respond, but
> he finds old wounds (literally) to pick at. Ever since he gutted the POTA
> membership for POTADG, the original group has just become a forum for airing grips
> that the POTADG bylaw don't allow. If Mike actually has any APES to discuss,
> he does it all on the other group. It's funny but I think the original flame
> war was between Mike and Rory, and of all those caught up in it Rory is the
> only Officially welcome at DG. If I'm mistaken I'm sure he'll jump in to
> correct me. I'm sure he'll also extend a personal invitation to POTADG. Where the
> posts are kept on track with an iron fist.
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] This Old Group


> I (respectfully) disagree Jeff.....I only know of 2, Patrick and T.
>
> Let me know if I am wrong.
>
> Michael
>
> PS Wanna guess who has been on this group longest out of surviving members
> here?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [SMTP:veetus@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 14:02
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] This Old Group
> >
> > There are people here with interesting things to say who aren't on other
> > groups. For those who have the stomach to hang on for the ride, I salute
> > you. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS PATHETIC


>
> Maybe someone needs to create a POTADG_DG group so that this group can
> discuss POTA instead of POTADG.
>
> >
> > In a message dated 9/22/2003 4:52:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> > gbharris1@... writes:
> >
> > > YOU KNOW, IT REALLY SEEMS PATHETIC SEEING GROWN MEN SQUABBLE WITH EACH
> > > OTHER
> >
> > I have to agree with you there Greg. I've tried many times to bury the
> > hatchet. But Whitty keeps fanning the flames. I've even refused to
respond, but
> > he finds old wounds (literally) to pick at. Ever since he gutted the
POTA
> > membership for POTADG, the original group has just become a forum for
airing grips
> > that the POTADG bylaw don't allow. If Mike actually has any APES to
discuss,
> > he does it all on the other group. It's funny but I think the original
flame
> > war was between Mike and Rory, and of all those caught up in it Rory is
the
> > only Officially welcome at DG. If I'm mistaken I'm sure he'll jump in
to
> > correct me. I'm sure he'll also extend a personal invitation to POTADG.
Where the
> > posts are kept on track with an iron fist.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: greg [SMTP:gbharris1@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 14:02
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS
> PATHETIC
>
> Then let's "Go Ape"...sorry I just couldn't refuse that one.
>
> Greg
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Hey, I'm still here. I'm ready to talk "Apes" when anyone else
> is. - - -
> > Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "greg" <gbharris1@y...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 2:50 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS
> PATHETIC
> >
> >
> > > YOU KNOW, IT REALLY SEEMS PATHETIC SEEING GROWN MEN SQUABBLE WITH
> > > EACH OTHER LIKE THEY HAVE IN THE POSTS. IT'S ALSO GETTING REALLY
> > > IRRITATING. I THOUGHT THIS GROUP WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT
> PLANET OF
> > > THE APES AND NOT A BUNCH OF PETTY BULLSHIT. MY MOTHER TOLD ME A
> > > LONG TIME AGO, AND I QUOTE, "IF YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING NICE, THEN
> > > DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL".
> > > IT'S REALLY GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE I DON'T EVEN READ THE POSTS
> > > FROM THIS GROUP ANYMORE, I JUST DELETE THEM CAUSE ALL IT IS IS A
> > > BUNCH OF PETTY BULLSHIT. I DON'T CARE HOW IT GOT STARTED OR WHO
> > > STARTED IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO END...PERIOD. IF YA'LL WANT TO KEEP
> IT
> > > UP THEN START YOUR OWN PETTY BULLSHIT GROUP AND TAKE IT
> THERE...IF
> > > NOT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP DRIVING PEOPLE AWAY FROM THIS
> > > GROUP. PLEASE LET US ALL KNOW WHAT YA'LL ARE PLANNING TO DO SO
> WE
> > > CAN MAKE PLANS TO LEAVE THIS GROUP AND CONCENTRATE MORE ON WHAT
> WAS
> > > ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR THESE PLANET OF THE APES DISCUSSION
> GROUPS.
> > >
> > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
> > >
> > > GREG
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> <
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
> click here
> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170502
> 1437:HM/A=1732163/R=0/SIG=11n0nglqg/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=
> 30510&media=zone>
>
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> ail/S=:HM/A=1732163/rand=251955271>
>
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> <
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haristas@... [SMTP:Haristas@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 14:16
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS
> PATHETI C
>
> In a message dated 9/22/03 11:24:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Michael.Whitty@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> No I don't Rory and I can't believe you said that.
>
> I'm the one who consistently retreats.
>
>
>
>
>
> I delete more of your posts than anyone elses. For someone who says he
> retreats, you sure do need to get in the last word.
>
> NOW DON'T BOTHER REPLYING TO THIS! WHO CARES?!
>
>
>
> click here
> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170502
> 1437:HM/A=1754016/R=0/SIG=11pv1u2ju/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=
> 30529&media=atkins>
>
> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupm
> ail/S=:HM/A=1754016/rand=529685014>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [SMTP:LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 14:19
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS
> PATHETI C
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2003 8:05:42 PM Central Standard Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
>
>
> Forget it. Whitty loves this crap. I just delete, delete,
> delete.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
> Now that's what I call the voice of reason.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> click here
> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170502
> 1437:HM/A=1706996/R=0/SIG=11p5b9ris/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=
> 30509&media=atkins>
>
> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupm
> ail/S=:HM/A=1706996/rand=866511715>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [SMTP:LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 14:37
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] T lies. No lie!
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2003 7:24:41 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@... writes:
>
>
>
> Now you're lying.
>
> There are millions of names you could use.
>
> Like I said, I wouldn't remove them unless they deserved to be
> removed.
>
> You have a chance here to prove you are not lting, but you are lying
> so you
> won't take it.
>
> Stop assuming people are idiots.
>
>
>
>
> I'm sensing a common theme in you post, Mike.
> I get the idea you think I'm not being completely truthful here.
>
>
>
>
>
> click here
> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170502
> 1437:HM/A=1754016/R=0/SIG=11pv1u2ju/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=
> 30529&media=atkins>
>
> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupm
> ail/S=:HM/A=1754016/rand=373635953>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [SMTP:veetus@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 14:44
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A TOPIC!
>
> Well, I heard over the DG, er, I mean, there's talk of an "Apes 2" and
> Fox may be wanting to hear ideas from the fans so they get it right. Linda
> Harrison innuendoed about it on her site ( www.lindaharrison.com
> <http://www.lindaharrison.com> ). So, what do people want in a sequel, or
> is it too late to be saved. I say pick up with Marky Mark on that planet
> and stay there. New characters, a better story (not necessarily set in a
> city, there's other places on that planet. Marky can be the bridge with
> the other film, otherwise start from scratch and make it topical. No more
> self-conscious "Talk your stinking paws off me" stuff. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LordTZer0@... <mailto:LordTZer0@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com <mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS
> PATHETIC
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2003 10:48:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@... <mailto:veetus@...> writes:
>
>
>
> Hey, I'm still here. I'm ready to talk "Apes" when anyone
> else is. - - -
>
>
>
>
> I am. Anyone got a topic?
> What's new in Ape News?
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <
>
>
>
>
>
> click here
> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170502
> 1437:HM/A=1732161/R=0/SIG=11p5b9ris/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=
> 30509&media=atkins>
>
> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupm
> ail/S=:HM/A=1732161/rand=509594612>
>
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> <
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haristas@... [SMTP:Haristas@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 14:50
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A TOPIC!
>
> In a message dated 9/23/03 12:38:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Well, I heard over the DG, er, I mean, there's talk of an "Apes 2"
> and Fox may be wanting to hear ideas from the fans so they get it right.
> Linda Harrison innuendoed about it on her site ( www.lindaharrison.com
> <http://www.lindaharrison.com/> ). So, what do people want in a sequel, or
> is it too late to be saved. I say pick up with Marky Mark on that planet
> and stay there. New characters, a better story (not necessarily set in a
> city, there's other places on that planet. Marky can be the bridge with
> the other film, otherwise start from scratch and make it topical. No more
> self-conscious "Talk your stinking paws off me" stuff. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't want to talk about that.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
> click here
> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170502
> 1437:HM/A=1754016/R=0/SIG=11pv1u2ju/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=
> 30529&media=atkins>
>
> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupm
> ail/S=:HM/A=1754016/rand=253721735>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melkor [SMTP:melkor@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 15:01
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS
> PATHETI C
>
>
> I agree. A lot of these posts sink so low that it just makes you
> look worse than the other guy. And just think, the first one to
> stop gets to be superior to the other guy.
>
> >
> > I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND I'M SURE
> > THEY FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT IT ALL TOO. MY POINT IS WHY DRIVE
> > EVERYONE AWAY WHEN IT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO BE FUN AND ABOUT THE APES?
> > IF THEY WANT TO ATTACK YOUR CHARACTER THEN LET THEM...BE MORE OF A
> > MAN AND LET IT GO. DON'T SINK TO THEIR LEVEL AND DIGNIFY ANY OF IT
> > WITH ANSWERS. THE SAME ADVICE GOES TO THE OTHER 2 ALSO. I'M NOT ON
> > ANYONES SIDE...I JUST WANT IT TO STOP AND GET BACK TO THE APES.
> >
> > IF ANYONE ELSE FEELS THE SAME WAY, THEN LET THEM KNOW. I DON'T WANT
> > TO BE THE ONLY ONE "CHASTISING THE CHILDREN" SO TO SPEAK, BUT IF I
> > HAVE TO TO MAKE IT STOP THEN I WILL. LIKE I SAID...LET'S HAVE FUN
> > AND QUIT ALL THIS NONSENSE.
> >
> > GREG
> >
> >
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melkor [SMTP:melkor@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 15:10
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS
> PATHETIC
>
>
> Maybe someone needs to create a POTADG_DG group so that this group can
> discuss POTA instead of POTADG.
>
> >
> > In a message dated 9/22/2003 4:52:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> > gbharris1@... writes:
> >
> > > YOU KNOW, IT REALLY SEEMS PATHETIC SEEING GROWN MEN SQUABBLE WITH EACH
>
> > > OTHER
> >
> > I have to agree with you there Greg. I've tried many times to bury the
>
> > hatchet. But Whitty keeps fanning the flames. I've even refused to
> respond, but
> > he finds old wounds (literally) to pick at. Ever since he gutted the
> POTA
> > membership for POTADG, the original group has just become a forum for
> airing grips
> > that the POTADG bylaw don't allow. If Mike actually has any APES to
> discuss,
> > he does it all on the other group. It's funny but I think the original
> flame
> > war was between Mike and Rory, and of all those caught up in it Rory is
> the
> > only Officially welcome at DG. If I'm mistaken I'm sure he'll jump in
> to
> > correct me. I'm sure he'll also extend a personal invitation to
> POTADG. Where the
> > posts are kept on track with an iron fist.
> >
>
>
>
>
> click here
> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170502
> 1437:HM/A=1706996/R=0/SIG=11p5b9ris/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=
> 30509&media=atkins>
>
> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupm
> ail/S=:HM/A=1706996/rand=745939193>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [SMTP:veetus@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 15:15
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A TOPIC!
>
> You know why you don't want to talk about that, Rory? Because you're a
> LIAR, and you're afraid if you discuss ANY topic, you'll lie like you
> always do. Heh! heh! Just kidding. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@... <mailto:Haristas@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com <mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A TOPIC!
>
> In a message dated 9/23/03 12:38:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@... <mailto:veetus@...> writes:
>
>
>
>
> Well, I heard over the DG, er, I mean, there's talk of an
> "Apes 2" and Fox may be wanting to hear ideas from the fans so they get it
> right. Linda Harrison innuendoed about it on her site (
> www.lindaharrison.com <http://www.lindaharrison.com> ). So, what do people
> want in a sequel, or is it too late to be saved. I say pick up with Marky
> Mark on that planet and stay there. New characters, a better story (not
> necessarily set in a city, there's other places on that planet. Marky can
> be the bridge with the other film, otherwise start from scratch and make
> it topical. No more self-conscious "Talk your stinking paws off me" stuff.
> - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't want to talk about that.
>
> -- Rory
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [SMTP:LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 15:09
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS
> PATHETI C
>
>
> Yes . . . it is.
>
>
> In a message dated 9/23/2003 12:03:57 AM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@... writes:
>
>
>
> And that's a bad thing???
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: LordTZer0@... [SMTP:LordTZer0@...]
> >Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 13:54
> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS
> IS
> >PATHETIC
> >
> > Where the posts are kept on track with an iron fist.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [SMTP:LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 15:07
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A TOPIC!
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2003 11:51:29 PM Central Standard Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
>
>
> I don't want to talk about that.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
> Alright Rory . . . what would You like to talk about?
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [SMTP:veetus@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 15:21
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] This Old Group
>
> That's who I'm referring to. Patrick and T (used to) have interesting
> things to say. And who knows who else is in this group who might pop in if
> it had more dignity. Shit, I farted! I can't believe I did that. - - -
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] This Old Group
>
>
> > I (respectfully) disagree Jeff.....I only know of 2, Patrick and T.
> >
> > Let me know if I am wrong.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > PS Wanna guess who has been on this group longest out of surviving
> members
> > here?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: veetus@... [SMTP:veetus@...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 14:02
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] This Old Group
> > >
> > > There are people here with interesting things to say who aren't on
> other
> > > groups. For those who have the stomach to hang on for the ride, I
> salute
> > > you. - - - Jeff
> > >
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [SMTP:LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 15:20
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A TOPIC!
>
>
> Damn Yahoo! The on topic post I made didn't go through. Here' a copy
> of it again. If it pops up later, you'll know why. Slow Yahoo
> Bastards!
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2003 11:38:11 PM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
>
> Well, I heard over the DG, er, I mean, there's talk of an "Apes 2"
> and Fox may be wanting to hear ideas from the fans so they get it right
>
>
>
> Yeah I heard that too. Basically they can't even buy a decent idea, so
> they'd like to steal some. But I'm feeling charitable, so if they want a
> free idea I suggest they take a second look at the material they've
> already purchased the rights to -- namely the book. With Leo back on
> Earth, and the apes finally in a modern setting as was originally intended
> they may as well do a re-imagining of the book. With the exception of a
> couple few crowd scenes they'd only need a hand full of actors in makeup's
> and any given time -- a half a dozen or so at most. And for the
> occasional crowd scene get a dozen or two #1s in front of the camera.
> Baker now has a whole stock pile of #2 and # 3 masks to fill in the
> background left over from the first film. I'd say the only stumbling
> block is that Marky said he'd only do it if Burton will, and I don't think
> anyone wants that, not even Burton. In that case pull a Heston and kill
> him off in the first scene. After, of course, introductions are made to
> the Brent character (or whatever you want to call him). He could be one
> of the crew that was sent to rescue him when he after Pareclese, and got
> turned around in the storm. Wait a minute! Why should I do all the
> work? Why doesn't Fox read the book and watch the old films? Not
> another idea out of me until a check clears the bank!
>
>
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [SMTP:LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 15:32
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A TOPIC!
>
> In a message dated 9/23/2003 12:28:27 AM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
>
> You know why you don't want to talk about that, Rory? Because you're
> a LIAR, and you're afraid if you discuss ANY topic, you'll lie like you
> always do. Heh! heh! Just kidding. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
> Wow, Jeff!
> I didn't know you did impression.
> You sound just like him!
>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/23/2003 1:48:54 AM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> > I know you are lying when you say you are a regular poster on
the POTADG.
>
> I didn't say that.

>
> You know why you don't want to talk about that, Rory? Because you're a LIAR=
> , and you're afraid if you discuss ANY topic, you'll lie like you always do=
> . Heh! heh! Just kidding. - - - Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Haristas@...=20
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com=20
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A TOPIC!
>
>
> In a message dated 9/23/03 12:38:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@eart=
> hlink.net writes:
>
>
>
> Well, I heard over the DG, er, I mean, there's talk of an "Apes 2" and =
> Fox may be wanting to hear ideas from the fans so they get it right. Linda =
> Harrison innuendoed about it on her site ( www.lindaharrison.com ). So, wha=
> t do people want in a sequel, or is it too late to be saved. I say pick up =
> with Marky Mark on that planet and stay there. New characters, a better sto=
> ry (not necessarily set in a city, there's other places on that planet. Mar=
> ky can be the bridge with the other film, otherwise start from scratch and =
> make it topical. No more self-conscious "Talk your stinking paws off me" st=
> uff. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
> I don't want to talk about that.
>
> -- Rory=20

>
> Would it be moderated?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Melkor [SMTP:melkor@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 15:10
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: SQUABBLING WITH THE POSTS IS
> > PATHETIC
> >
> >
> > Maybe someone needs to create a POTADG_DG group so that this group can
> > discuss POTA instead of POTADG.
> >

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, patrickmichaeltilton@y... wrote:
> I'm the guy who posted about the CONQUEST script. For those of you
who have APESFAN #2, I'm the guy who wrote an article for it
entitled "A Chronology of the POTA". For those of you who are
interested, I posted a number of times on a POTA/"ANSA" website (type
in "ANSA", "Hasslein" and "Icarus" on a Lycos search engine, and
you'll find it), doing my best to explain my scenario for "un-
flubbing the flubs" of POTA chronology (the guy who runs that website
and I, well, we vehemently disagree, to put it mildly).

> I've been working on a POTA novel project for a number of years
(being a POTA fan from way back); I wanted to tell one humongous
story that uses all the filmed POTA movies & TV episodes as "canon",
basically novelizing PLANET and its 4 movie sequels as well as all 14
TV episodes (of course, this involves RE-adaptation: the existing
novelizations take liberties with their sources, and what appears on
screen is often not what we read in Avallone's BENEATH book, etc.).
The major hurdle for this project of mine was to find a way to
explain how Taylor could see his EARTH-TIME clock read 11-25-3978
after landing--yet Brent (and the "Ape-onauts") see it reading the
year 3955.

> The bitter truth is that Paul Dehn flubbed. However... Taking the
chronological info from the TV series, I noticed that Virdon's ship's
EARTH-TIME clock clicks ahead from 08-19-1980 (19 August 1980) to 07-
14-3085 (14 July 3085) in the opening credit sequence... and yet the
day after their landing (and also more than a week later, at the
episode's end) Virdon & Burke see the EARTH-TIME clock frozen on the
date 03-21-3085 (21 March 3085), which is 115 days EARLIER than the
date given for the Time Warp from Present-to-Future.

> Since this Time Warp occurs when they approach Alpha Centauri, that
means that they also managed to be zipped along back to Earth 4.34
LightYears (after Jones activates the "Emergency Homing Device" that
Virdon tells Burke he'd ordered him to do).

> By a happy coincidence, the ratio of "retro-temporal" time Virdon's
ship experiences (115 "retro-days") to Distance in LightYears
traveled (4.34) just so happens to match what Taylor's ship
experiences: Taylor tells Landon & Dodge that they were (as far as he
knew & believed) "320 LightYears from Earth on an unnamed planet in
orbit around a star in the constellation of Orion". Divide 320 by
4.34 and then multiply by 115 and you get 8479.26 "retro-days".
Divide 8479.26 by 365.2422 and you get 23.215 "retro-years". Since
noon of 25 November 3978 (a 365-day year) is exactly 9/10ths through
the year, subtract 23.215 from 3978.90 and you get 3955.685! In other
words, if the same sort of thing that happens to Virdon's ship
(zipping "x" number of LightYears in "y" number of "retro-temporal
days") also happens to Taylor's ship, then the actual EARTH-TIME date
that Taylor arrives is about the 251st day of 3955. Assuming, of
course, that Taylor's ship's EARTH-TIME clock fails to register
the "back-thru-time" jump it nonetheless experiences.

> Anyway, when I happened to discover that convenient coincidence, I
proceeded to weave a scenario around it, and I'm using it in my on-
going magnum opus (I'm calling it "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE
APES"). As I've said, the guy running the website mentioned above (he
calls himself "Ansanaut") disagrees with my scenario. Quite frankly,
he believes things about the APES series that are patently ridiculous
(he thinks that the stars Taylor sees out the front window of his
ship in PLANET's opening scene aren't stars at all; he also thinks
that Taylor's mission was to Alpha Centauri--which isn't referenced
anywhere in the film, of course!).

> Anyhow, I've been waiting 27 friggin' years for the TV show to be
released UN-CUT, and this up-coming DVD release is none too soon. I
want my novel to have all the details that were presented on screen,
and whatever details exist that are (or seem to be) flubs... well,
it's my modus operandi to "un-flub" them! It's going to be a long
book, and it'll take a long time for me to finish it, and there's no
guarantee I'll be given the rights to publish it... but if I do get
it published, I hope all you other POTA fans out there will like it.

> Mr. "Ansanaut" might not like it (I don't think he particularly
likes ME!), but I'm not writing it for him. I'm writing it for me.
And, no, I'm not going to try to reconcile Burton's "re-imagining"
and the cartoon show "RETURN..." to the original live-action stuff. I
don't know about you, but the "new" movie was about as good (compared
to the original) as Ralph Fiennes' "The Avengers" was (compared to
the original series)...! Ecch!

>
> > I would volunteer to
> > create such a group if people would discuss DG there instead of here.
> >
>
> Already done it.

> > Mike's been asking "who else" out there thinks favorably of
> my 'mothership' theory, trying to imply that NOBODY but me thinks
> well of it. Now, I'm not claiming that either Joe Lozowsky or George
> Reis endorses it, but they -- the editors of "APESFAN" who asked for
> submissions for its 2nd issue and accepted my 4-page contribution --
> indicated that they liked it. One of 'em (I think it was Mr. Reis),
> with whom I chatted on the phone just prior to its being published,
> told me my article was "great". If either he or Mr. Lozowsky thought
> it to be "the laughing stock of POTA" (as Mike likes to characterize
> it), then why the f*** would they have included it in their fanzine?
> Counting the front & back covers, it was a 60-page "special edition",
> with all sorts of great articles & photos in it, and I don't doubt
> that they COULD have found 4 pages worth of OTHER content to "fill it
> out". They COULD have nicely rejected my contribution (if they did
> think of it disparagingly), in favor of some other POTA-related
> stuff... but they evidently liked my article enough to publish it "as
> is": no editing involved whatsoever.
>
> Also, in addition to hosting/moderating a Yahoo! Groups site called
> FRIENDS & FUGITIVES, Mez Downes has a website (of the same name) of
> her own devoted to the TV show -- and on her site she cites
> my "APESFAN" article (since my article dealt not only with Taylor's
> ship(s) but also with Virdon's ship and the "time warp" it
> experienced); I'm not saying that Mez endorses my 'mothership' (etc)
> theory, but she doesn't disparage it, either. In fact, why even so
> much as MENTION it there unless she thought it worthy of mention?
>
> Evidently, my "unflubbing" scenario is not the "laughing stock" that
> Mike would have everyone out there think it to be. "Ansanaut" might
> not dig it -- but, then again, he has his own little 'theory' which
> attempts to explain the POTA details, and it's only natural that he
> would prefer his own ideas to anybody else's.
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Memory lane...


>
> Since you (I think) brought this issue up again why don't we just ask the
> group. Does anyone else like Patrick's Mothership Earth theory?
>
> > > Mike's been asking "who else" out there thinks favorably of
> > my 'mothership' theory, trying to imply that NOBODY but me thinks
> > well of it. Now, I'm not claiming that either Joe Lozowsky or George
> > Reis endorses it, but they -- the editors of "APESFAN" who asked for
> > submissions for its 2nd issue and accepted my 4-page contribution --
> > indicated that they liked it. One of 'em (I think it was Mr. Reis),
> > with whom I chatted on the phone just prior to its being published,
> > told me my article was "great". If either he or Mr. Lozowsky thought
> > it to be "the laughing stock of POTA" (as Mike likes to characterize
> > it), then why the f*** would they have included it in their fanzine?
> > Counting the front & back covers, it was a 60-page "special edition",
> > with all sorts of great articles & photos in it, and I don't doubt
> > that they COULD have found 4 pages worth of OTHER content to "fill it
> > out". They COULD have nicely rejected my contribution (if they did
> > think of it disparagingly), in favor of some other POTA-related
> > stuff... but they evidently liked my article enough to publish it "as
> > is": no editing involved whatsoever.
> >
> > Also, in addition to hosting/moderating a Yahoo! Groups site called
> > FRIENDS & FUGITIVES, Mez Downes has a website (of the same name) of
> > her own devoted to the TV show -- and on her site she cites
> > my "APESFAN" article (since my article dealt not only with Taylor's
> > ship(s) but also with Virdon's ship and the "time warp" it
> > experienced); I'm not saying that Mez endorses my 'mothership' (etc)
> > theory, but she doesn't disparage it, either. In fact, why even so
> > much as MENTION it there unless she thought it worthy of mention?
> >
> > Evidently, my "unflubbing" scenario is not the "laughing stock" that
> > Mike would have everyone out there think it to be. "Ansanaut" might
> > not dig it -- but, then again, he has his own little 'theory' which
> > attempts to explain the POTA details, and it's only natural that he
> > would prefer his own ideas to anybody else's.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
> I'm not going to moderate it.
> We can argue and still keep it fun.
> I think the object should be to get
> yourself kicked off. You'll be immediately
> let back on though. Maybe we can
> vote on who should be kick off
> that day. That'll be good for a poll.
> I'll even kick myself off if that's the vote.
> Like I said, no one get kick off permanently.
> Just for the day. If we go more than a
> day or two without someone getting kicked
> out that would just be boring. We should have
> a poll every third day at least! And kick the
> most outrageous SOB out. For 24 hours
> anyway.

>
> For those who don't know, there is no moderator of this group. The
> moderator left a long time ago (for reasons unknown). This used to be a
> popular group but the lack of a moderator caused the DG to be formed and

>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2003 10:48:20 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@ea=
> rthlink.net writes:
>
>
> Hey, I'm still here. I'm ready to talk "Apes" when anyone else is. - - =
> -

>
> To be honest, I forget the details. I first read about the "mothership
> theory" in "Apesfan" and thought it was a good idea, a way to explain some
> inconsistencies. I thought it was something interesting to run with, but no
> one has to accept it as canon.
> When I heard more about it in the group, some of it seemed far fetched,
> other parts were good. I think T is right that if you look at this stuff TOO
> closely it's doomed to failure. You have to look at it just closely enough
> and leave it. Chronologies are good, but only to a certain point. The
> chronology I did for "Ape Chronicles" is very general, and lets the reader

> fill in the blanks. But the "mothership theory" is not a war crime.
> I remember Michael took particular offense at Australia being renamed New
> America and maybe that's where his particular grudge comes from. I still

> don't see why people get riled when Patrick does long posts. There's good
> information in them, and if they bother someone, just don't read them.
> That's my take on this. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Memory lane...
> >
> > Since you (I think) brought this issue up again why don't we just ask the
> > group. Does anyone else like Patrick's Mothership Earth theory?
> >

> YOU KNOW, IT REALLY SEEMS PATHETIC SEEING GROWN MEN

> EACH OTHER LIKE THEY HAVE IN THE POSTS. IT'S ALSO

> IRRITATING. I THOUGHT THIS GROUP WAS SUPPOSED TO BE

> THE APES AND NOT A BUNCH OF PETTY BULLSHIT. MY

> LONG TIME AGO, AND I QUOTE, "IF YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING

> DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL".
> IT'S REALLY GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE I DON'T EVEN READ

> FROM THIS GROUP ANYMORE, I JUST DELETE THEM CAUSE

> BUNCH OF PETTY BULLSHIT. I DON'T CARE HOW IT GOT

> STARTED IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO END...PERIOD. IF YA'LL WANT

> UP THEN START YOUR OWN PETTY BULLSHIT GROUP AND

> NOT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP DRIVING PEOPLE AWAY

> GROUP. PLEASE LET US ALL KNOW WHAT YA'LL ARE

> CAN MAKE PLANS TO LEAVE THIS GROUP AND CONCENTRATE

> ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR THESE PLANET OF THE APES

>
> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
>
> GREG

> In a message dated 9/19/2003 1:49:34 PM Central Standard Time,
> Willowape@h... writes:
>
>
> > That I agree T. I try really hard. But losing her on that day, has been
> > really hard on me. To add to my grief, a neighbor and church friend,
> > passed away in him home the day before 9-11. He too had heart

> > while alone. Two years before he lost his wife. I hate this time of

> >
> > is getting too sad.
> >
>
> I feel your pain Wendy, and it feels just like mine. I tried to reach out

> Kim but, it's hard when someone is like that. It reminds me of seeing

> lunch at the hotel. I wanted to ask her if she wanted some company

> didn't have to eat alone. But I thought, this is her time and I didn't

> intrude. She's not signing autographs right now and should be able to

> lunch in peace. Though I suppose she could have had room service if

> really wanted to eat alone. But as she picked at a salad I though she

> the loneliest woman in the world. I've only had the slightest brush

> fame being in a band, but my brother and best fiend had bands that

> successful than mine and it can be tough. Fame is a kind of curse

> get this wall around you and even the people you let in have a difficult

> being themselves around you for fear of getting chucked out. It's very

> for even their friends to speak their mind and not be Yes Men. I know

> in a band that was successful enough that you would have heard of

> he didn't talk to his own brother for years.
>
>
> > But don't let anyone ever tell you that you don't have the right to
> > >defend yourself and others. The law of survival says different.
> >
> > I think defending one's self comes naturally. About two years ago I

> > in LA when some guy tried to rob me when asking for directions to
> > amuzement park. Seeing he was black and in a car, I was rather
> > hesitant but decided to give him a chance and started to give him
> > directions. Much to my disappointment he grabbed me. Instead of
> > getting scared, I got really pissed off, pull away and hit his car

> > with a can of cat food I just bought at the store for a poor stray cat

> > was at the hotel I was staying at. It happened so fast that I did even
> > think he had a gun.
>
> It can happen anywhere. I went to pick up some food and had my

> of the day. And got stabbed at a payphone. Silly me, I had gotten

> day and left home with all my money and not so much as a Swiss

> though the guy who knifed me was a panhandler. He ask if I had

> ten and I told him no. I kept my money, but after an overnight in the

> and the accompanying bills, I might as well just given it to him. I

> was Richard Pryor who said if someone has a knife and all you have

> with some skin on it, Run! That's probably good advice. I was tied

> contact lenses were dry and sticking to my eyes, so I couldn't see

> But even so, I don't think I actually connected once and he got me

> I guess I'm lucky he didn't have a gun. And he's very lucky I didn't

> one. If I had the chance to use it I would have. There are far too

> cops who though . . . well, it's just a knife. Talk about spiked T !!!

> ya go Mickey. There's a nice image you can enjoy vicariously.
>
> Here's a scenario that would make even Michael Moore think twice.
> He goes to Heston's for the interview. Heston tells him he knows

> two people who don't like what Moore has been doing and are waiting

> outside and they've cut the phone lines. Heston won't help either

> won't let Moore stay. He does however have a gun that Moore can

> know it's pretty far fetched. Everyone knows that either Moore or his

> is going to have a cell phone!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] This Old Group


> >
> > For those who don't know, there is no moderator of this group. The
> > moderator left a long time ago (for reasons unknown). This used to be a
> > popular group but the lack of a moderator caused the DG to be formed and
>
> Rory could probably make himself a moderator by creating the appropriate
> userid with his ISP.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A TOPIC!


> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/22/2003 10:48:20 PM Central Standard Time,
veetus@ea=
> > rthlink.net writes:
> >
> >
> > Hey, I'm still here. I'm ready to talk "Apes" when anyone else
is. - - =
> > -
>
>
> Okay here is a topic. Who is the greatest POTA fan/nerd on the internet?
> I guess its a tie between Rory for his knowledge about details and Jeff
for
> his connections.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
> I'm not a nerd. I don't even wear glasses! For me, POTA is a
> "lifestyle". - - - Jeff
>

>
> Where's Whitty? Don't tell me Mad Max scooter trash finally got the poor
> bastard. They live in the desert scavenging to gas. Mike must have had beans
> for dinner and the got wind of it. I know I said I wasn't going to do this
> anymore. I'm just trying to stir up some interest in POTA_DG_DG. I thought it
> was a really good idea for taking the flames to a different forum. Speaking of
> flames, no open flames near Whitty, not after all those beans.
>
>

>
> Just trying to whip up some posts. It makes me think Mike won't or can
> debate his point on even ground. Well, actually is slanted in my favor now. But I
> don't hold a grudge like he does. That ought to get him slinging the
> vitriol.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> To be honest, I forget the details. I first read about
the "mothership theory" in "Apesfan" and thought it was a good idea,
a way to explain some inconsistencies. I thought it was something
interesting to run with, but no one has to accept it as canon.
> When I heard more about it in the group, some of it seemed far
fetched, other parts were good. I think T is right that if you look
at this stuff TOO closely it's doomed to failure. You have to look at
it just closely enough and leave it. Chronologies are good, but only
to a certain point. The chronology I did for "Ape Chronicles" is very
general, and lets the reader fill in the blanks. But the "mothership
theory" is not a war crime.
> I remember Michael took particular offense at Australia being
renamed New America and maybe that's where his particular grudge
comes from. I still don't see why people get riled when Patrick does
long posts. There's good information in them, and if they bother
someone, just don't read them.
> That's my take on this. - - - Jeff
>

>
> Where's Whitty? Don't tell me Mad Max scooter trash finally got the

> IF ANYONE ELSE FEELS THE SAME WAY, THEN LET THEM KNOW.

>
> Since you (I think) brought this issue up again why don't we just

> group. Does anyone else like Patrick's Mothership Earth theory?

>
> I'd forgotton about that one myself.
> I do remember Rory and Alex fighting over POTA2K1 though.
> I could see both sides of that one. Nice to have attention back
> on Apes, too bad the film wasn't better though.

> >
> FINALLY has undeniable proof that his nemesis, Patrick, actually has
> gotten banned from a group! At least, for one day...
>

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Memory lane...

In a message dated 9/25/2003 2:31:13 PM Central Standard Time, alan@... writes:

I thought it was Cougar and Alex?

That may be.  I know Rory didn't for a long time.
Maybe he still hasn't seen it.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:26 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A TOPIC!

In a message dated 9/25/2003 1:57:57 PM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** I like the idea of a "POTA_DG_DG", but I'm afraid it really
wouldn't fly. We all know that Mike would still feel the need to
litter OUR message board with his garbage. He can't do it at the DG
(which, according to James, was meant to be a place for "mature POTA
fans" to post).

I don't think Mike wants the competition.  If al the flames went to a different group and the group went back to only POTA posts, then it might attract new members, and that would be a threat to Mike and James group as THE POTA group.  I have the group up but I don't think anyone has joined it yet.  To me that just says the he has no interest in taking it elsewhere and letting this group return to what it once was.  It nullifies their group and their control since this is an unmoderated group -- though I'm sure they covet the Megabytes here.

<<Oh, well, some chicks can be frighteningly stupid -- the ones who go
for the "bad boys" and would rather put up with being abused by such
a creep rather than be treated respectably by a "nice" guy.>>

They aren't stupid, they just don't have a choice.  It's genetically programed into them.  They may disagree with me here, but the fact speak for themselves.  They are not attracted to guys who are nice to them.  And anyone who starts being nice to them is demoted to friend status.  Instinctively they know that anyone who is too nice to them is only after one thing.  And the switch goes to off and that's it.  That's the reason nice guys finish last, or not at all.  I don't know if your're a virgin or not, but if you are and keep being a "nice guy" you're guaranteed to stay one.  The only wuss women like is Robert Smith!    Women say the want to find a nice guy, but they respond to "bad boys", and Mr. Nice Guy will end up as a meal ticket, every time.  Am I wrong here Wendy?





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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:38 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A T-OPIC

In a message dated 9/25/2003 10:42:51 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

T, I hope you didn't talk like that to Kim! - - - Jeff

In her book I believe you'll find the quote, "Faint heart never won maiden fair."  So I wouldn't have to.  She knew it.


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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

<<< Rory saw it right away. >>>

*** That's true, and he even tried to talk me into seeing it...
Something about reimbursing me for the cost of the ticket and paying
for concessions... Didn't work though... ***

<<<< I think it was Alex vs. Cougar before it came out, and then Alex
vs. Rory after. >>>

*** True again... I was down on the movie as much as Alex was "for"
it... And it did turn into ALEX vs. Rory AND me, because even after
it came out, while Alex was saying how good it was and how much money
it made, I was saying it's stupid to judge a movie's "worth" on the
cash it's taking in... He'd end all his postings with the $$$ it made
that current week... I felt he was seeing it for it's cash
flow "value" rather than what it's value was as a story, movie, etc...

<<< Now Alex hates it too (and Cougar still hasn't seen it).>>>

*** Three for three... That's true too... I haven't seen it then and
have no plans to... ***

>
> > It makes me think you're feeling lonely here all by yourself. Most
> > everyone
> > else left to get away from this crap and talk about POTA.
>
>
> "It squashes a mans ego. I feel lonely . . ." No, actually I'm back on the
> other group, dispite their efforts. I'm just trying to keep this group alive
> as well. It's the only POTA group that doesn't discriminate against people or
> ideas. Just because I don't agree with Pat theory is no reason for him not
> to have a chance to voice it. Mike just likes to stifle anyone he can't win an
> argument against. He calls the other person childish and petty, but it's
> obvious by the tone of both sides who's being petty. 9 times out of 10 its Mike.

> In a message dated 9/25/2003 1:57:57 PM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>

>
> <<Oh, well, some chicks can be frighteningly stupid -- the ones who

> for the "bad boys" and would rather put up with being abused by such
> a creep rather than be treated respectably by a "nice" guy.>>
>
> They aren't stupid, they just don't have a choice. It's genetically
> programed into them. They may disagree with me here, but the fact

> themselves. They are not attracted to guys who are nice to them.

> starts being nice to them is demoted to friend status. Instinctively

> that anyone who is too nice to them is only after one thing. And the

> to off and that's it. That's the reason nice guys finish last, or not at
> all. I don't know if your're a virgin or not, but if you are and keep being

> "nice guy" you're guaranteed to stay one. The only wuss women like

> Smith! Women say the want to find a nice guy, but they respond

> and Mr. Nice Guy will end up as a meal ticket, every time. Am I

> Wendy?

>
> me where that is. Unfortunately I live in Dallas,
> where most women are mad for power and money!

> In a message dated 9/28/2003 6:53:46 PM Central Standard Time,
> melkor@... writes:
>
> > I thought you lived in Denton.
> >
> Boy, talk about nitpicking.
> Denton is, more or less, a suburb of Dallas.
> It is still considered a part of the Metroplex.
> Since you addie has lonestar in it I would think you'd know that.
> And I only live in Denton so I don't have to drive half an hour or
> more to school every day. But when I go "Out On Then Town"
> it's in Dallas. I almost never go out in Denton. Even though
> it's a college town with major universities, there are only a
> handful of decent clubs that are actually worth going to.
> I didn't know you were keeping such close tabs on me.
> I don't know where you live. Who are you anyway?
>

>
> > I thought you lived in Denton.
> >
> Boy, talk about nitpicking.
> Denton is, more or less, a suburb of Dallas.
> It is still considered a part of the Metroplex.
> Since you addie has lonestar in it I would think you'd know that.
> And I only live in Denton so I don't have to drive half an hour or
> more to school every day. But when I go "Out On Then Town"
> it's in Dallas. I almost never go out in Denton. Even though
> it's a college town with major universities, there are only a
> handful of decent clubs that are actually worth going to.
> I didn't know you were keeping such close tabs on me.
> I don't know where you live. Who are you anyway?
>