>
> Well, Streetcar just ended with Stella saying "Don't you ever touch

> again!" and saying she would NEVER go back to him. But as Kim

> did. Which just goes to prove what I've been saying, that women may

> thing a do something completely different.

> In a message dated 9/28/2003 4:31:39 PM Central Standard Time,
> Willowape@h... writes:
>
> > it takes a special woman to become thier life long
> > companion.
> >
> > Not to say I'm that special woman, but I try
>
> I'd say you are a special case.
>
> Why Special?
>
> We're conducting a new experiment.
>
> Wouldn't that more properly be don in your office?
>
> Yes, sir.
>
> Sorry I had to work POTA in somewhere.
> You're a POTA fan. And POTA fans are more
> intelligent than most people. And, thanks to
> Zira's wonderful lesson, don't judge others by
> their looks. So take your statement about Some
> women, and just insert Most women.
>
> Also some cities are different than others. If you
> feel most women there are like you, please tell
> me where that is. Unfortunately I live in Dallas,
> where most women are mad for power and money!

> <<...OLE_Obj...>>
>
> Hi All
>

> Because the Fan Club has no paper newsletter or magazine, I thought you
> might like to see what's out there. I am hoping to do the same with Ape
> Chronicles when it returns.
>
> If you want to receive more issues of Simian Scrolls, you will have to pay
> for the issue you have. If you don't, then it's no big deal but I have to
> pay for the issue so I need to know your intentions. Very clear
> instructions regarding how to pay were posted on the Planet of the Apes
> Discussion group, but I know you are not all members, so here they are
> again from Helen:
>
> Payment amount is $4.
>
> I am accepting money:
>
> (1) into my PayPal account.
>
> The PayPal account address is: oosascrolls@...
>
> I'm fairly new to PayPal so please bear with me while I dust it off and
> figure out how it all works. You MUST email (sand_hill_school@...)
> me to let me know if you have paid by PayPal.
>
> (2) Sent to my address (for those who may want to send well disguised cash
> or a check payable to "Sand Hill"...NOT Sand Hill School):
>
> Sand Hill School
> 1998 Simonsville Road
> Chester, VT 05143
>
> I hope you all enjoyed Simian Scrolls. Please let me know what you intend
> doing, either way, and give me some idea when you will pay if that is your
> intention. Please don't be offended by this reminder, and if you think
> you HAVE paid just let me know. I just really need to know how much I
> have to pay John Roche for this exercise.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael Whitty
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Which reminds me of a joke.
> >
> > CHICKEN AND HARLEY
> > >
> > >The Chicken and the Harley
> > >
> On the farm lived a chicken and a horse, both of whom loved to play
together. One day the two were playing, when the horse fell into a
bog and began to sink.

> Scared for his life, the horse whinnied for the chicken to go get
the farmer for help! Off the chicken ran, back to the farm. Arriving
at the farm, he searched and searched for the farmer, but to no
avail, for he had gone to town with the only tractor.

> Running around, the chicken spied the farmer's new Harley. Finding
the keys in the ignition, the chicken sped off with a length of rope
hoping he still had time to save his friend's life.

> Back at the bog, the horse was surprised, but happy, to see the
chicken arrive on the shiny Harley, and he managed to get a hold of
the loop of rope the chicken tossed to him. After tying the other
end to the rear bumper of the farmer's bike, the chicken then drove
slowly forward and, with the aid of the powerful bike, rescued the
horse!

> Happy and proud, the chicken rode the Harley back to the farmhouse,
and the farmer was none the wiser when he returned.

> The friendship between the two animals was cemented: best buddies,
best pals.

> A few weeks later, the chicken fell into a mud pit, and soon, he
too, began to sink and cried out to the horse to save his life!

> The horse thought a moment, walked over, and straddled the large
puddle. Looking underneath, he told the chicken to grab his "thing"
and he would then lift him out of the pit. The chicken got a good
grip, and the horse pulled him up and out, saving his life.

> The moral of the story? (Yes, there's a moral!) "When you're hung
like a horse, you don't need a Harley to pick up chicks."

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:
> "Melkor" <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> Since you (I think) brought this issue up again why don't we just
ask the group. Does anyone else like Patrick's Mothership Earth
theory?
>
> I do. I don't agree with it, but I like it. It's obviously had a
lot of thought put into it and makes sensible (if sometimes a little
far fetched) suggestions to explain the contradictions in PotA
mythology and from that standpoint I've never understood why people
object so strongly to it.
>
> I certainly understand why people disagree with it - as I've
already stated, I don't really buy into it myself - but I don't know
why it's any different to the other theories that fans have come up
with. If anything, it's probably one of the most well-thought out
ones, and I seriously doubt that any PotA fans think of it as
a "laughing stock" other than the handful who have grudges with
Patrick.
>
> Alan

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:48 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Contest

In a message dated 10/1/2003 11:29:44 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

So how come he hardly even looks at her or wants to &%@# her?

Well, she was wearing Taylor's dogtags.
On that planet it like a wedding ring.
Or at least a frat pin.




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----- Original Message -----
From: <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: Jeff's Contest [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1741


> Jeff- Brent is not gay. He wanted Nova just like every other red blooded
guy, but because he used the last of the ship's antibiotics to try and help
save the life of the skipper (who died anyways), his fear was contracting
chlamydia and the burning sun of the planet was all the burning sensation he
wanted to deal with at the time. Now, had things progressed differently and
he had some extra time with Cornelius and Zira, I'm sure they could have
whipped up some penecillin for blue eyes II, but it just wanted in the
cards.
>
> I'll be checking my mailbox for my prize....
>
> Dan
>
> ____________

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> "It's a joke. In very poor taste". - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mystic4ever@s...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Jeff's Contest [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1741
>
>
> > Jeff- Brent is not gay. He wanted Nova just like every other
red blooded
> guy, but because he used the last of the ship's antibiotics to try
and help
> save the life of the skipper (who died anyways), his fear was
contracting
> chlamydia and the burning sun of the planet was all the burning
sensation he
> wanted to deal with at the time. Now, had things progressed
differently and
> he had some extra time with Cornelius and Zira, I'm sure they could
have
> whipped up some penecillin for blue eyes II, but it just wanted in
the
> cards.
> >
> > I'll be checking my mailbox for my prize....
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
__________

----- Original Message -----
From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Jeff's Contest [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1741


> Not sure I know what you mean, Jeff. Your contest is joke? There's
> no Kubrick prize to wait for? Darn, I thought I had a legitimate
> entry! If for some reason you think my submission is in poor taste,
> I'll explain: as a straight guy who thinks Brent is straight, the
> only reason I can think of, if I were in Brent's situation, why I
> wouldn't want to cuddle with Nova, is fear of disease. At the time
> of his landing, Brent doesn't know he's on earth, so who knows what
> diseases these "humanoids" could have. I thought the tad of Conan
> O'Brien humour in my entry would ensure my win, but alas....
>
> :o(
>
> Dan
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > "It's a joke. In very poor taste". - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mystic4ever@s...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: Jeff's Contest [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1741
> >
> >
> > > Jeff- Brent is not gay. He wanted Nova just like every other
> red blooded
> > guy, but because he used the last of the ship's antibiotics to try
> and help
> > save the life of the skipper (who died anyways), his fear was
> contracting
> > chlamydia and the burning sun of the planet was all the burning
> sensation he
> > wanted to deal with at the time. Now, had things progressed
> differently and
> > he had some extra time with Cornelius and Zira, I'm sure they could
> have
> > whipped up some penecillin for blue eyes II, but it just wanted in
> the
> > cards.
> > >
> > > I'll be checking my mailbox for my prize....
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> __________

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/2/2003 1:34:06 PM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
> > OK, for our contest so far I've been given a couple of good
answers. Menluth suggested that Brent is in "crisis mode", that with
his mission and the things going on around he basically "not in the
mood". This has been brought up before but Menluth brought a
comparison to Leo Davidson, who also was in "crisis mode" despite
having two gals to choose from.
>
> I'd have to agree with you on that. Taylor was resigned to being
stuck there. " you are here and it is now! You'd better get hold of
that idea or you might as well be dead." Brent had the same attitude
as Leo and wasn't really all that interested in the ladies. "I gotta
get out of here! I don't know how, or what with, but I'm not staying
here!" That mindset would tend to curb your libido. And Brent might
have seen Nova as too animal to be attractive.

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Contest - - - and an apology


> Who's to say that Brent didn't nail Nova?
>
> After Brent first meets her, he hops up on the horse and says "Let's
> go," and they start trottin' off towards Ape City. How long does it
> take 'em to get there? It took "many days and nights" (at least 3)
> for Taylor & gang to walk to the 'scarecrow' area. From the
> cliff/river area, Cornelius says that the Cave site is "a 3-day" trip
> (if I remember right).
>
> The editing of "BENEATH" makes it seem as if it takes only a few
> minutes for Brent & Nova to travel from his crash site in the Zone
> all the way to Ape City (see where Cornelius points on his map --
> "We're here" -- to see how far from the border of the Zone that is).
> It must have taken Brent at least a day or two to get there.
>
> So, Brent & Nova must have stopped along the way, to sleep & let the
> horse rest and feed on grass, etc. Who's to say that Brent and Nova
> didn't 'get it on' during one of those rest-stops?
>
> I don't think anybody has seriously considered this possibility.
> Brent, of course, would not have mentioned to Taylor that he'd nailed
> Nova -- if, due to the dog-tags, he suspected that she was Taylor's
> woman.
>
> One other possibility is that Brent -- having only just woken up from
> perhaps a year's duration of artificially induced hibernation -- is
> having a 'side-effect' from the drugs: momentary inability to,
> ahem, 'get it up'. Perhaps Brent desires Nova... but he is physically
> incapable at the time of doing anything about it.
>
> So, Jeff, those are two possibilities. 1: Brent DID nail Nova during
> their trip from the crash site to Ape City (off-screen), and 2: Brent
> was suffering from flaccidity due to the side-effects of the
> hibernation drugs -- and there wasn't any viagra for him to take.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/2/2003 1:34:06 PM Central Standard Time,
> > veetus@e... writes:
> >
> > > OK, for our contest so far I've been given a couple of good
> answers. Menluth suggested that Brent is in "crisis mode", that with
> his mission and the things going on around he basically "not in the
> mood". This has been brought up before but Menluth brought a
> comparison to Leo Davidson, who also was in "crisis mode" despite
> having two gals to choose from.
> >
> > I'd have to agree with you on that. Taylor was resigned to being
> stuck there. " you are here and it is now! You'd better get hold of
> that idea or you might as well be dead." Brent had the same attitude
> as Leo and wasn't really all that interested in the ladies. "I gotta
> get out of here! I don't know how, or what with, but I'm not staying
> here!" That mindset would tend to curb your libido. And Brent might
> have seen Nova as too animal to be attractive.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Check it out!:
>
> http://www.grudge-match.com

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Thanks for your input, Patrick.
> 1) It's possible Brent "nailed" Nova off camera but I see no
indication from their chemistry that they've been physical. He seems
to keep her at arms' length.
> 2) Maybe Brent can't "get it up" because of hibernation drugs, but
he doesn't even "check her out" or even say, "Hubba, hubba!" But boy,
he's sure quick to give Taylor a big hug. And I don't see them being
close friends. It takes Taylor a moment to remember Brent's name. But
Brent is sure happy to see him! - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Contest - - - and an apology
>
>
> > Who's to say that Brent didn't nail Nova?
> >
> > After Brent first meets her, he hops up on the horse and
says "Let's go," and they start trottin' off towards Ape City. How
long does it take 'em to get there? It took "many days and nights"
(at least 3) for Taylor & gang to walk to the 'scarecrow' area. From
the cliff/river area, Cornelius says that the Cave site is "a 3-day"
trip (if I remember right).
> >
> > The editing of "BENEATH" makes it seem as if it takes only a few
minutes for Brent & Nova to travel from his crash site in the Zone
all the way to Ape City (see where Cornelius points on his map --
"We're here" -- to see how far from the border of the Zone that is).
It must have taken Brent at least a day or two to get there.
> >
> > So, Brent & Nova must have stopped along the way, to sleep & let
the horse rest and feed on grass, etc. Who's to say that Brent and
Nova didn't 'get it on' during one of those rest-stops?
> >
> > I don't think anybody has seriously considered this possibility.
Brent, of course, would not have mentioned to Taylor that he'd nailed
Nova -- if, due to the dog-tags, he suspected that she was Taylor's
woman.
> >
> > One other possibility is that Brent -- having only just woken up
from perhaps a year's duration of artificially induced hibernation --
is having a 'side-effect' from the drugs: momentary inability to,
ahem, 'get it up'. Perhaps Brent desires Nova... but he is physically
incapable at the time of doing anything about it.
> >
> > So, Jeff, those are two possibilities. 1: Brent DID nail Nova
during their trip from the crash site to Ape City (off-screen), and
2: Brent was suffering from flaccidity due to the side-effects of the
hibernation drugs -- and there wasn't any viagra for him to take.
> >
> > Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Planet Of The Apes featured in WWWF!


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "agustinaldo" <agustinaldo@y...> wrote:
> > Check it out!:
> >
> > http://www.grudge-match.com
>
> There ain't no doubt about it: Beastmaster is gonna get whupped. He's
> played by Marc Singer, who -- if y'all remember "The Gladiators" --
> wasn't too keen on being a fighter like his dad in the first place.
> Besides, he may be a "beast"-master, but the Apes in POTA ain't
> beasts; it is Man that is the Beast -- the "devil's pawn".
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:08 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Wild Orangutans: Extinct by 2023?

No wonder Dr. Zaius wanted to cut up human's brains!

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>
> Some other thoughts regarding Brent & Nova.
>
> When Brent first meets Nova, he sees that she's wearing ragged animal
> skins -- like a primitive. Sure, for a woman raised in savagery she's
> pretty cute, but she's not exactly the type of woman Brent is
> probably used to consorting with (you know... the groupie chicks that
> dug the astronauts during the hey-day of the Space Race).
>

>
> Is your POTA novel finished yet? If not how many pages are left

I dream of it all, someday, being published in a folio-sized hardbound volume, about the size of one of those huge "COMPLETE WORKS OF SHAKESPEARE" volumes

 

I have the Complete Works Of William Shakespeare, and it's only 1225 pages!  The only thing harder than Pat finishing writing this opus is going to be someone actually finishing reading it.  But with his style of writing more detail than a Conan Doyle Sherlock Holmes story, it'll be a great cure for insomnia.

 

 

 

 

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Is your POTA novel finished yet? If not how many pages are left
> to write?
>
> *** I'm nowhere near getting it finished. The size of my POTA project
> is ridiculously immense. Remember: I'm (re-) novelizing all 5 of the
> movies, and all 14 of the TV episodes -- and these novelization
> portions of my epic constitute, oh, about 60% of the entire thing,
> the rest of the 40% or so being all original stuff I've been dreaming
> up. The way I've set up my MS Word, each of the 1,000 pages will be
> 8.5 x 11 inches, in landscape format, with 3 columns (each one being
> 3 inches wide) separated by quarter-inch gutters and 3/4 inch
> margins, all at about 8 point typesize. In other words, each single
> page of material will be the equivalent, approximately, of 4 pages
> from a standard paperback novel. My 1,000 pages will be as long as a
> 4,000 page mass-market paperback. I dream of it all, someday, being
> published in a folio-sized hardbound volume, about the size of one of
> those huge "COMPLETE WORKS OF SHAKESPEARE" volumes -- but, instead of
> 2 long columns on each page (down the 11" length of a page), there'll
> be 3 somewhat shorter columns (down the 8.5" side).
>
> All told, the whole shebang will probably end up being around 3 times
> as long as "WAR AND PEACE". If you thought some (many? most?) of my
> postings here are too goddamned long, then it shouldn't come as any
> surprise that my POTA epic is gonna be extravagantly long. It's such
> a huuuuge undertaking that it'll take me years to complete -- and
> that includes compiling all sorts of Appendices (Maps, Star charts,
> spacecraft blueprints, genealogical 'trees', etc.), on-par with the
> stuff in Tolkien's LOTR (just after the end of ROTK).
>
> I hope I haven't been giving anybody here the impression that it was
> anywhere near being finished. It's a "labor-of-love", my "magnum
> opus" if you will -- and I'm not just crankin' it out as if it were
> an Alan Dean Foster hack-job.
>
> In addition to the novel's prose, I'm also writing (gulp!)
> the "complete" text of the "SACRED SCROLLS" (from which Zaius and
> Cornelius quote only a few verses, from the 13th and 29th Scrolls,
> respectively), as well as the scrolls John Huston recites from --
> what my novel will refer to as the "Dead Lake Scrolls" --
> the "history scrolls kept hidden from the masses" that Cornelius
> mentions to Hasslein. In a way, these additional works will be like
> a "Silmarillion" to the LOTR, providing the Apes' conflicting
> versions of their "sacred" history. One of the things I want to do
> with this part of my project is to delve further into the "mythic"
> stories of PROTEUS (of "upright beast" fame), etc.
>
> My 1,000 page novel, as I mentioned a long while back, will be a
> trilogy of sorts, with each third being 333 pages long (the final
> 1000th page being an Epilogue to the whole thing). Each "book" in the
> trilogy will be 33 chapters long (10 pages each), with a 3-page
> Prologue. Remember, each 10-page chapter will be the equivalent (in
> length) of a 40-page mass-market paperback -- about the length of a
> standard short story. I'm envisioning each chapter serving my novel's
> purposes the same way that Dante's "DIVINE COMEDY" has 33 "cantos"
> each (for his "INFERNO", "PURGATORIO", & "PARADISO"); however,
> whereas Dante's epic had 100 cantos (the "INFERNO" has
> an 'introductory' canto, followed by Cantos 2-34), my novel will have
> only 99 chapters -- the "100" chapter-worth of prose being divvied up
> into the 3 3-page prologues and the single epilogue page.
>
> Each of the 5 movies will take about 6 chapters each to novelize.
> Sort of the same number of "chapters" that MARVEL had in each of
> their comicbook novelizations.
>
> My "Book One" will involve my re-novelizations of the
> films "ESCAPE", "CONQUEST" and "BATTLE" -- basically, covering the
> events from 1947 through post-2018.
>
> "Book Two" for the most part will be my novelizations of all 14 of
> the TV episodes (plus other stuff dealing with the "astronauts" Urko
> & Zaius mention -- all that "New America" stuff I've pissed off Mike
> with!), including my "take" on the ultimate fate of Virdon, Burke &
> Galen. This "book" will also show how it is that the moon (visible in
> the episode "THE LIBERATOR") becomes invisible yet still exerts a
> tidal effect on the Earth -- it's turned into a Black Hole... by
> forces yet unknown (hey, I don't want to spoil it for ya!).
>
> "Book Three" will begin with the arrival of Taylor's mothership's
> arrival at the destination it was headed for (320 LY away in Orion),
> and show how his mission is flung all the way back to planet Earth;
> thus, my final third of the epic will be the stories told in "PLANET"
> and "BENEATH" -- including the experiences of the other personnel
> Taylor commanded, such as the 3 dudes who land the ship that Milo
> finds. Since the President referred to Milo's ship as "the one
> commanded by Col. Taylor" -- and it ain't the same ship that sunk in
> Dead Lake -- then these other ANSA astronauts, like Brent, will be
> looking for their own mission Commander.
>
> But all they'll find are talkin' monkeys. And maybe a fleshy-headed
> mutant or two...
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. I have a request. If anybody out there has the wherewithal to do
> a "frame-grab" of Cornelius' map (preferably a frame with the least
> amount of obstructions: Taylor's pointing fingers, etc.), could you
> perhaps send it along to my Yahoo email as an attachment? For some
> goddamned reason, Yahoo changed it so that I can't "click" on the pic
> attachments that are sometimes posted on this message board, and way
> back when, when James & I were arguing about Cornelius' map
> (where "North" was, etc), I recall that the map pic was posted
> here... but I can't get to it anymore. Thanks, Yahoo, for nuttin'! My
> email address is:
>
> patrickmichaeltilton@...
>
> If anybody out there is feelin' generous, send the pic on over. I'd
> be much obliged. Oh, and also... if you could also do frame-grabs of
> Urko's wall-map (the most unobstructed pics possible, of course), I'd
> be doubly obliged. Triply, even!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>
>

>
> Sounds very ambitious. But out of all this stuff what have you

> Here you go buddy! Anything else I can do for you?
>
> <<Potadg36a.jpg>>
> Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [SMTP:patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 15:26
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Patrick's novel-in-progress
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds very ambitious. But out of all this stuff what have you
> finished so far? Why don't you complete the 'Planet' adaptation
> first and let people read it?
>
> *** So far, I've transcribed all of the dialogue from the 5 movies
> and 14 TV episodes, and put in [bracketed] descriptions of what I've
> been able to see on-screen, for later 'translation' into prose, and
> I've also written out (in "1st draft") several of the opening
> chapters -- mostly pre-"ESCAPE" stuff. Every so often I've had to
> rejigger my outline, so as to make sure that the major characters
> (Mendez, etc.) have enough of a "back-story" to put their on-screen
> personas into a context which makes sense of where the story ends up.
>
> For example, in the case of Mendez (the 1st), I'm gonna have him be a
> latent telepath from the get-go, due to him having been conceived by
> a man who had been in the top-secret "Remote-Viewing" projects our
> government was involved in; Mendez's dad, to improve his telepathic
> abilities, was injected with various "consciousness-expanding"
> chemicals, to enhance his "observations" of the USA's enemies. But
> one unintended result is that these chemicals served to caused
> mutations in his sperm cells' DNA, which he passed on to his son --
> Mendez -- who, when puberty hits him, suddenly "blossoms" with the
> ability to read emotions (Empathy), thoughts (Telepathy), and to do
> other wild stuff with his mind (perhaps even Telekinetics,
> Clairvoyance, etc).
>
> I've written a scene involving Mendez being pulled over for speeding
> on a highway in the late 1970's, and being so pissed-off by it that
> he eventually mind-fucks the highway patrolman, as a punishment of
> sorts. Mendez's personality will undergo a wild change before it ends
> up becoming the pleadingly meek peacenik who tries to talk Kolp out
> of going to war against Caesar. And, just because I'm sure most of us
> have experienced being pulled over by a cop for some stupid goddamn
> traffic violation (not having harmed anybody else or their property),
> and that deep down we kinda wish we could trump his "authority" with
> a Power that can do tremendous damage and cannot be combatted
> against, I had the urge to imagine Mendez in such a scene. Imagine
> being able to make an annoying traffic cop believe that hordes of
> spiders are crawling all over him -- even though there ARE no
> spiders, it being one of those "visual deterrents" that the
> Mutant "traumatic hypnosis" abilities give them. At some point in
> Mendez's life, he'll be like the kid Bill Mumy played on
> that "TWILIGHT ZONE" episode (or the dude in the "CHARLIE X" episode
> of "STAR TREK"), possessed of Mind powers that NOBODY can fight.
> These same "Mind-over-Matter" abilities will help him to keep himself
> and the others in the nuked city alive, when the radiation should
> have done 'em all in years before, due to Cancers and the like.
>
> That should give you some idea of the "fill-in-the-blanks" approach
> that my epic is striving for. A whole helluva lotta work.
>
> But the "PLANET" adaptation won't be done until everything in the
> first 2 books of the trilogy are finished -- at least on a 1st draft
> stage. When I do write my "PLANET" adaptation, it'll have all sorts
> of references in it to events that transpired before the January 1972
> launch of their ship from Cape Kennedy -- stuff that involved Taylor
> in the early chapters of Book 1 (for example, his wartime experiences
> as a pilot in the USAAF during WW2 and immediately afterward),
> experiences which helped to shape his personality. You know, the
> kinda guy who became a lonely misanthrope willing, eventually, to
> leave behind the planet Earth and the 20th Century altogether. I have
> to have all THAT stuff written first, so that the elements
> of "PLANET" follow on from it -- like, the "thoughts" of Taylor & the
> others, as well as dialogue I'm cooking up which isn't seen/heard on
> screen.
>
> I've also had to hone my chronology to the point where I know exactly
> Who does What to Whom down to the Year/Month/Day/Hour/Minute and
> Second. With so many characters to keep track of, it's a necessity
> that has to be dealt with. For example, I'm having Taylor's capture
> by the gorilla Hunt Club occur on July 4th, 3955 (i.e. Taylor loses
> his independence on "Independence Day" long after the USA has been
> destroyed by War), three days after his splashdown in Dead Lake on
> July 1st. The "thunder and lightning yet there's no rain" will be
> caused (as I mentioned way back when) by the gravitational lensing of
> ion streams from the Sun (the Solar Wind) by the Black-Hole-which-was-
> once-the-Moon, which will be in syzygy (between the Earth and the
> Sun, i.e. in the "New Moon" position) on the 2nd of July in 3955.
>
> In other words, that rainless thunder & lightning will be a monthly
> phenomenon, a result of the planet Earth being in the path of that
> ion jet -- a phenomenon which any approaching spaceships will have to
> deal with, since getting blasted with a direct hit from such a stream
> of ions would adversely affect any electronics onboard the ship. The
> ion jet streaming out from the Lunar Black Hole's "slingshot effect"
> would be sort of like a comet's tail, always pointed away from the
> Sun -- its source. The rainless lightning storms would also be a
> convenient basis for an Ape Calendar -- a "lunar" calendar, since
> what we call the "New Moon" would be the day on which the sky storms
> with thunder and lightning, but without any rain ("rain" perhaps
> being seen as a "blessing" that God gives ordinarily -- for the Apes,
> the rainless storm would be like the voice of God threatening to deny
> them His blessings -- the rain -- unless they stay obedient to His
> Will; theocratically-ruled societies tend to have a fanatical
> devotion to the "sacred" calendar, and it was often a heresy to not
> be carefully observant of it; the Ape society, I'm suggesting, was
> founded by intolerant overly-religious types who mandated certain
> behaviors due entirely to their calendar).
>
> At any rate, it's a wonderful vehicle for creativity, to add
> something to a Saga that already exists in film-&-TV format. Even if
> some people don't particularly dig the stuff I'm adding to it, it's
> fun for me to make my hypotheses, etc. But the details I find myself
> compelled to add into the mix make finishing the project all the more
> daunting.
>
> I wish I had something "finished" that I could offer up for you to
> see, but this project IS "ambitious" and will take me a long time to
> get done. It's all a matter of finding the free time to work on it,
> and I'm sure you all know how often "other things" crop up and eat
> into the too-little free time there is.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [SMTP:patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 15:34
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: For Patrick!
>
> I didn't know we were "buddies", Mike. However, in the interest of
> being civil, let me say thanks... even though the "attachment" you
> included doesn't do me any good. As I said before, ever since Yahoo
> changed the way they work things, I cannot "click" onto the
> attachments posted in these messages and access them -- that's why I
> asked for somebody/anybody to send some map images directly to my
> Yahoo email address, so that they WILL be accessible.
>
> If you want me to be able to access the attachment you included on
> your message, send it along to me at my Yahoo email address. If you
> don't have it anymore, it's: patrickmichaeltilton@...
>
> By the way, if it's the same compiled image of Urko's wall map that
> Cougar got from (I think) Kassidy's site, well, Cougar already sent
> me that one (thanks again, Cougar). If your pic is of Cornelius' map,
> it's something I am still hankerin' for, so please send it along...
> with my thanks.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> wrote:
> > Here you go buddy! Anything else I can do for you?
> >
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> > Michael
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:01 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DVD announcement

In a message dated 10/17/03 1:08:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Just saw this on www.dvdfile.com

. The POTA68 2-disc DVD is coming Feb. 3rd. The film itself is the good news, available both full screen or anamporphic widescreen, Dolby 5.1. To me the bad news is the extras, mostly nothing those who have the 2disc "Behind" don't already have (it will , once again, include "Behind" itself). It will include two commentary tracks: Track 1: Roddy, Kim, Natalie and John Chmabers (probably a rehash but maybe outtakes from "Behind" interviews); Track 2 is a score isolated Jerry Goldsmith (congrats, Rory!). There's a text commentary from Eric Greene and "rare" Roddy home movies. There's outtakes, J. Lee on "Conquest", etc. probably all straight from the "Behind" 2-disc. Not the big event we were hoping for. (WHAT!?  I think this is very good, considering we're dealing with Fox here!) Sorry, folks. - - - Jeff

Yes, this is GREAT news.  An isolated score and commentary track by Jerry Goldsmith -- and this is coming out just before February 8th, the 40th Anniversary of PLANET.   I'm very happy.  I think I'll do my ape dance now!

-- Rory

Get yer stinkin' paws off me, you damn dirty ape! Yes, those crazy chimps are back. On February 3rd, Fox Home Entertainment will release a new 35th Anniversary Edition of the 1968 classic Planet of the Apes. What can fans expect this go-round? How about separate 4:3 full screen and (at last) a new 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen versions, each with a Dolby Digital 5.1 remix and so many extras it takes two discs to hold it all: two audio commentaries with Roddy McDowell, Natalie Trundy, Kim Hunter and effects artist John Chambers, plus a second commentary/isolated score with composer Jerry Goldsmith, a text commentary by Eric Greene, the "Behind The Planet Of The Apes" documentary, exclusive Roddy McDowall home movies, rare dailies and outtakes, the featurettes "A Look Behind The Planet Of The Apes," "Don Taylor Directs Escape from the Planet of the Apes," "J. Lee Thompson Directs Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" and the original EPK, multiple still galleries including photos, production art and film reviews, and trailers for all of the Apes flicks. Retail is $26.95.







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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

Also, for those of you who've already said you WON'T be buying this,
here's something to think about: You want to eventually see other
APES stuff released on DVD, like the cartoon series? Do you? Do
you, really, really, really want it? Well, you better f@#king plan I
buying this and hope that many, many others do too.

-- Rory

*** No Sh*t!!!! I am with you 100% on this and then some... They set
and gripe about it not being given a special edition, and now the
real deal PLANET IS being re-released, and they're bitching about
it... A lot of inconsistancy here I guess... So many of these same
people are the same ones that have said to me that "If you want the
movies as special editions, if you want Classic APES items, etc. etc.
etc." that I was supposed to support ANY Apes items/projects... Now
there IS one to support,(and it's in support of the greatest of them
all to boot!)these same people say they "aren't" going to... I guess
they speak with forked tongues... I WILL be buying the Anniversary
Edition... It's the only way the others will be given any type of the
same treatment...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/17/03 1:08:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
>
> > Just saw this on <A
HREF="http://www.dvdfile.com/">www.dvdfile.com</A>. The POTA68 2-disc
DVD is coming Feb. 3rd.
> > The film itself is the good news, available both full screen or
anamporphic widescreen, Dolby 5.1. To me the bad news is the extras,
mostly nothing those who have the 2disc "Behind" don't already have
(it will , once again, include "Behind" itself). It will include two
commentary tracks: Track 1: Roddy, Kim, Natalie and John Chmabers
(probably a rehash but maybe outtakes from "Behind" interviews);
Track 2 is a score isolated Jerry Goldsmith (congrats, Rory!).
There's a text commentary from Eric Greene and "rare" Roddy home
movies. There's outtakes, J. Lee on "Conquest", etc. probably all
straight from the "Behind" 2-disc. Not the big event we were hoping
for. (WHAT!? I think this is very good, considering we're dealing
with Fox here!) Sorry, folks. - - -
> > Jeff
> >
> >
>
> Yes, this is GREAT news. An isolated score and commentary track by
Jerry Goldsmith -- and this is coming out just before February 8th,
the 40th Anniversary of PLANET. I'm very happy. I think I'll do my
ape dance now!
>
> -- Rory
>
> Get yer stinkin' paws off me, you damn dirty ape! Yes, those crazy
chimps are back. On February 3rd, Fox Home Entertainment will release
a new 35th Anniversary Edition of the 1968 classic Planet of the
Apes. What can fans expect this go-round? How about separate 4:3 full
screen and (at last) a new 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen versions,
each with a Dolby Digital 5.1 remix and so many extras it takes two
discs to hold it all: two audio commentaries with Roddy McDowell,
Natalie Trundy, Kim Hunter and effects artist John Chambers, plus a
second commentary/isolated score with composer Jerry Goldsmith, a
text commentary by Eric Greene, the "Behind The Planet Of The Apes"
documentary, exclusive Roddy McDowall home movies, rare dailies and
outtakes, the featurettes "A Look Behind The Planet Of The
Apes," "Don Taylor Directs Escape from the Planet of the Apes," "J.
Lee Thompson Directs Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" and the
original EPK, multiple still galleries including photos, production
art and film reviews, and trailers for all of the Apes flicks. Retail
is $26.95.

>
> Anyone interested (Patrick) can get a PDF copy of Jeff's conquest

>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone interested (Patrick) can get a PDF copy of Jeff's conquest
> script here.
> >
> > http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> *** Thanks for the "head's-up", Melkor. If I'm not mistaken, this PDF
> was taken from the same photocopy that Jeff made for me. The reason
> I'm pretty sure about that is because there are a few places where
> the photocopied page wasn't positioned as flat as it should've been,
> and you can see not only the curve of the paper but also smudges of
> black toner obscuring the leftmost part of the text. The copy Jeff
> made for me also has these smudges, and because I was so grateful to
> him for making the copy for me I didn't want to ask him to re-copy
> the pages with the smudges.
>
> If anybody else out there has a "CONQUEST" script and has also
> downloaded the PDF at Goatley's site, perhaps he/she could post here
> and point out what the blacked-out parts have typed in the original.
> Some of it I can make out, but not quite all of it.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:40 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest

  Well, excuuuuse me. The smudges are part of my script, too. Maybe
carelessness when I was copying them from Natalie's stuff (I was trying to
be careful with her stuff, it was bound which is hard to photocopy. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone interested (Patrick) can get a PDF copy of Jeff's conquest
> script here.
> >
> > http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> *** Thanks for the "head's-up", Melkor. If I'm not mistaken, this PDF
> was taken from the same photocopy that Jeff made for me. The reason
> I'm pretty sure about that is because there are a few places where
> the photocopied page wasn't positioned as flat as it should've been,
> and you can see not only the curve of the paper but also smudges of
> black toner obscuring the leftmost part of the text. The copy Jeff
> made for me also has these smudges, and because I was so grateful to
> him for making the copy for me I didn't want to ask him to re-copy
> the pages with the smudges.
>
> If anybody else out there has a "CONQUEST" script and has also
> downloaded the PDF at Goatley's site, perhaps he/she could post here
> and point out what the blacked-out parts have typed in the original.
> Some of it I can make out, but not quite all of it.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:35 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest

You did it on purpose to upset Patrick!

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:40 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest

  Well, excuuuuse me. The smudges are part of my script, too. Maybe
carelessness when I was copying them from Natalie's stuff (I was trying to
be careful with her stuff, it was bound which is hard to photocopy. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone interested (Patrick) can get a PDF copy of Jeff's conquest
> script here.
> >
> > http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> *** Thanks for the "head's-up", Melkor. If I'm not mistaken, this PDF
> was taken from the same photocopy that Jeff made for me. The reason
> I'm pretty sure about that is because there are a few places where
> the photocopied page wasn't positioned as flat as it should've been,
> and you can see not only the curve of the paper but also smudges of
> black toner obscuring the leftmost part of the text. The copy Jeff
> made for me also has these smudges, and because I was so grateful to
> him for making the copy for me I didn't want to ask him to re-copy
> the pages with the smudges.
>
> If anybody else out there has a "CONQUEST" script and has also
> downloaded the PDF at Goatley's site, perhaps he/she could post here
> and point out what the blacked-out parts have typed in the original.
> Some of it I can make out, but not quite all of it.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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that any

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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:06 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest

  Of course I did it to upset Patrick. You PAID me to, Michael! - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:35 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest

You did it on purpose to upset Patrick!

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:40 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest

  Well, excuuuuse me. The smudges are part of my script, too. Maybe
carelessness when I was copying them from Natalie's stuff (I was trying to
be careful with her stuff, it was bound which is hard to photocopy. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone interested (Patrick) can get a PDF copy of Jeff's conquest
> script here.
> >
> > http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> *** Thanks for the "head's-up", Melkor. If I'm not mistaken, this PDF
> was taken from the same photocopy that Jeff made for me. The reason
> I'm pretty sure about that is because there are a few places where
> the photocopied page wasn't positioned as flat as it should've been,
> and you can see not only the curve of the paper but also smudges of
> black toner obscuring the leftmost part of the text. The copy Jeff
> made for me also has these smudges, and because I was so grateful to
> him for making the copy for me I didn't want to ask him to re-copy
> the pages with the smudges.
>
> If anybody else out there has a "CONQUEST" script and has also
> downloaded the PDF at Goatley's site, perhaps he/she could post here
> and point out what the blacked-out parts have typed in the original.
> Some of it I can make out, but not quite all of it.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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so that any

other readers are aware of these restrictions.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Well, excuuuuse me. The smudges are part of my script, too. Maybe
carelessness when I was copying them from Natalie's stuff (I was
trying to be careful with her stuff, it was bound which is hard to
photocopy. - - -
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:32 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest
>
>
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone interested (Patrick) can get a PDF copy of Jeff's
conquest
> > script here.
> > >
> > > http://www.goatley.com/pota/
> >
> > *** Thanks for the "head's-up", Melkor. If I'm not mistaken, this
PDF
> > was taken from the same photocopy that Jeff made for me. The
reason
> > I'm pretty sure about that is because there are a few places where
> > the photocopied page wasn't positioned as flat as it should've
been,
> > and you can see not only the curve of the paper but also smudges
of
> > black toner obscuring the leftmost part of the text. The copy Jeff
> > made for me also has these smudges, and because I was so grateful
to
> > him for making the copy for me I didn't want to ask him to re-copy
> > the pages with the smudges.
> >
> > If anybody else out there has a "CONQUEST" script and has also
> > downloaded the PDF at Goatley's site, perhaps he/she could post
here
> > and point out what the blacked-out parts have typed in the
original.
> > Some of it I can make out, but not quite all of it.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

-----Original Message-----
From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:07 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest

Don't get me wrong, Jeff! Those smudges aside, I'm ever so grateful
to have the "CONQUEST" script you went out of your way to copy for
me. I knew you were copying Natalie's own script, and I suspected
that the few smudged-up pages were the result of difficulties due to
it being a "bound" copy (you mentioned some time back that it was
bound, as I recall). I certainly didn't expect you to rip the pages
out from the spine just so you could lay 'em all flat!

I've photocopied enough out-of-print books at the local college
library to know how difficult the procedure can be, so don't sweat
it. I wasn't tryin' to be critical of you -- I was just hoping that
somebody (else) out there who might have a "CONQUEST" script could go
over the PDF one at Goatley's site and perhaps post here the smudged-
out words in those FEW places where it ain't legible. That way I
could make my transcription of the script complete... without
hasslin' you again.

All this would be a moot point if "SCRIPTCITY" would have had the
script for "CONQUEST" available, in addition to the other 4 POTA
scripts. I wrote 'em an email way back asking them why they didn't
offer the "CONQUEST" script and if they could perhaps seek it out and
sell it, but their reply was basically, "We don't got it, buddy, and
we're sorry we can't help you, blah, blah, blah."

I wish they also had the rest of the TV episode scripts. I know that
Eric Greene somehow acquired access to the lot of 'em (since he goes
into enough detail in his book about the pre-filming scripted stuff),
but it ain't all in a public archive. I wonder if any of the actors
from the TV show still have their scripts (Ron Harper, perhaps?), and
would be willing to have a go-between copy it, just like you (Jeff)
did with Natalie's "CONQUEST" script.

Just a hope.

Patrick


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   Well, excuuuuse me. The smudges are part of my script, too. Maybe
carelessness when I was copying them from Natalie's stuff (I was
trying to be careful with her stuff, it was bound which is hard to
photocopy. - - -
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:32 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest
>
>
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone interested (Patrick) can get a PDF copy of Jeff's
conquest
> > script here.
> > >
> > > http://www.goatley.com/pota/
> >
> > *** Thanks for the "head's-up", Melkor. If I'm not mistaken, this
PDF
> > was taken from the same photocopy that Jeff made for me. The
reason
> > I'm pretty sure about that is because there are a few places where
> > the photocopied page wasn't positioned as flat as it should've
been,
> > and you can see not only the curve of the paper but also smudges
of
> > black toner obscuring the leftmost part of the text. The copy Jeff
> > made for me also has these smudges, and because I was so grateful
to
> > him for making the copy for me I didn't want to ask him to re-copy
> > the pages with the smudges.
> >
> > If anybody else out there has a "CONQUEST" script and has also
> > downloaded the PDF at Goatley's site, perhaps he/she could post
here
> > and point out what the blacked-out parts have typed in the
original.
> > Some of it I can make out, but not quite all of it.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >



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----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:06 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest


> Don't get me wrong, Jeff! Those smudges aside, I'm ever so grateful
> to have the "CONQUEST" script you went out of your way to copy for
> me. I knew you were copying Natalie's own script, and I suspected
> that the few smudged-up pages were the result of difficulties due to
> it being a "bound" copy (you mentioned some time back that it was
> bound, as I recall). I certainly didn't expect you to rip the pages
> out from the spine just so you could lay 'em all flat!
>
> I've photocopied enough out-of-print books at the local college
> library to know how difficult the procedure can be, so don't sweat
> it. I wasn't tryin' to be critical of you -- I was just hoping that
> somebody (else) out there who might have a "CONQUEST" script could go
> over the PDF one at Goatley's site and perhaps post here the smudged-
> out words in those FEW places where it ain't legible. That way I
> could make my transcription of the script complete... without
> hasslin' you again.
>
> All this would be a moot point if "SCRIPTCITY" would have had the
> script for "CONQUEST" available, in addition to the other 4 POTA
> scripts. I wrote 'em an email way back asking them why they didn't
> offer the "CONQUEST" script and if they could perhaps seek it out and
> sell it, but their reply was basically, "We don't got it, buddy, and
> we're sorry we can't help you, blah, blah, blah."
>
> I wish they also had the rest of the TV episode scripts. I know that
> Eric Greene somehow acquired access to the lot of 'em (since he goes
> into enough detail in his book about the pre-filming scripted stuff),
> but it ain't all in a public archive. I wonder if any of the actors
> from the TV show still have their scripts (Ron Harper, perhaps?), and
> would be willing to have a go-between copy it, just like you (Jeff)
> did with Natalie's "CONQUEST" script.
>
> Just a hope.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Well, excuuuuse me. The smudges are part of my script, too. Maybe
> carelessness when I was copying them from Natalie's stuff (I was
> trying to be careful with her stuff, it was bound which is hard to
> photocopy. - - -
> > Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:32 AM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest
> >
> >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anyone interested (Patrick) can get a PDF copy of Jeff's
> conquest
> > > script here.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.goatley.com/pota/
> > >
> > > *** Thanks for the "head's-up", Melkor. If I'm not mistaken, this
> PDF
> > > was taken from the same photocopy that Jeff made for me. The
> reason
> > > I'm pretty sure about that is because there are a few places where
> > > the photocopied page wasn't positioned as flat as it should've
> been,
> > > and you can see not only the curve of the paper but also smudges
> of
> > > black toner obscuring the leftmost part of the text. The copy Jeff
> > > made for me also has these smudges, and because I was so grateful
> to
> > > him for making the copy for me I didn't want to ask him to re-copy
> > > the pages with the smudges.
> > >
> > > If anybody else out there has a "CONQUEST" script and has also
> > > downloaded the PDF at Goatley's site, perhaps he/she could post
> here
> > > and point out what the blacked-out parts have typed in the
> original.
> > > Some of it I can make out, but not quite all of it.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:25 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest

  Ron Harper has some of the scripts (and sells them at conventions, which
he autographs) but he doesn't have all of them. Eric Greene got the various
movie script editions from the Jacobs archives, but the TV ones wouldn't be
there, except the early developments ones from before Jacobs died in mid-'73
(scripts like the two Serling ones and "A Fallen God" were written then. I
doubt Eric has all the TV scripts either.
  I can't say I'm happy the smudges are OK with you because Michael paid me
VERY well and I wanted to give him his money's worth. Damn, I shoulda
removed some pages. - - - Jeff

> Wow! Did anyone see Brian on AMC? I caught the first part. I'll have

> back and check the tape, but it could have gone a bit better. The guy

> was playing Zaius for got just who he was playing for a minute an

> Zira. The gal playing Zira would talk with her mouth just hanging

> again her hair was bad. In fact a lot of the hair just didn't match up,
> particularly on the Soldier Ape. Though the guy playing Roddy

> He offered the popcorn to the Soldier Ape dude instead of Zira. Very

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Melkor <melkor@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds very ambitious. But out of all this stuff what have you
> finished so far? Why don't you complete the 'Planet' adaptation
> first and let people read it?
>
> *** So far, I've transcribed all of the dialogue from the 5 movies
> and 14 TV episodes, and put in [bracketed] descriptions of what I've
> been able to see on-screen, for later 'translation' into prose, and
> I've also written out (in "1st draft") several of the opening
> chapters -- mostly pre-"ESCAPE" stuff. Every so often I've had to
> rejigger my outline, so as to make sure that the major characters
> (Mendez, etc.) have enough of a "back-story" to put their on-screen
> personas into a context which makes sense of where the story ends

>
> For example, in the case of Mendez (the 1st), I'm gonna have him be

> latent telepath from the get-go, due to him having been conceived by
> a man who had been in the top-secret "Remote-Viewing" projects our
> government was involved in; Mendez's dad, to improve his telepathic
> abilities, was injected with various "consciousness-expanding"
> chemicals, to enhance his "observations" of the USA's enemies. But
> one unintended result is that these chemicals served to caused
> mutations in his sperm cells' DNA, which he passed on to his son --
> Mendez -- who, when puberty hits him, suddenly "blossoms" with the
> ability to read emotions (Empathy), thoughts (Telepathy), and to do
> other wild stuff with his mind (perhaps even Telekinetics,
> Clairvoyance, etc).
>
> I've written a scene involving Mendez being pulled over for speeding
> on a highway in the late 1970's, and being so pissed-off by it that
> he eventually mind-fucks the highway patrolman, as a punishment of
> sorts. Mendez's personality will undergo a wild change before it ends
> up becoming the pleadingly meek peacenik who tries to talk Kolp out
> of going to war against Caesar. And, just because I'm sure most of us
> have experienced being pulled over by a cop for some stupid goddamn
> traffic violation (not having harmed anybody else or their property),
> and that deep down we kinda wish we could trump his "authority" with
> a Power that can do tremendous damage and cannot be combatted
> against, I had the urge to imagine Mendez in such a scene. Imagine
> being able to make an annoying traffic cop believe that hordes of
> spiders are crawling all over him -- even though there ARE no
> spiders, it being one of those "visual deterrents" that the
> Mutant "traumatic hypnosis" abilities give them. At some point in
> Mendez's life, he'll be like the kid Bill Mumy played on
> that "TWILIGHT ZONE" episode (or the dude in the "CHARLIE X"

> of "STAR TREK"), possessed of Mind powers that NOBODY can

> These same "Mind-over-Matter" abilities will help him to keep himself
> and the others in the nuked city alive, when the radiation should
> have done 'em all in years before, due to Cancers and the like.
>
> That should give you some idea of the "fill-in-the-blanks" approach
> that my epic is striving for. A whole helluva lotta work.
>
> But the "PLANET" adaptation won't be done until everything in the
> first 2 books of the trilogy are finished -- at least on a 1st draft
> stage. When I do write my "PLANET" adaptation, it'll have all sorts
> of references in it to events that transpired before the January 1972
> launch of their ship from Cape Kennedy -- stuff that involved Taylor
> in the early chapters of Book 1 (for example, his wartime experiences
> as a pilot in the USAAF during WW2 and immediately afterward),
> experiences which helped to shape his personality. You know, the
> kinda guy who became a lonely misanthrope willing, eventually, to
> leave behind the planet Earth and the 20th Century altogether. I have
> to have all THAT stuff written first, so that the elements
> of "PLANET" follow on from it -- like, the "thoughts" of Taylor & the
> others, as well as dialogue I'm cooking up which isn't seen/heard on
> screen.
>
> I've also had to hone my chronology to the point where I know exactly
> Who does What to Whom down to the Year/Month/Day/Hour/Minute

> Second. With so many characters to keep track of, it's a necessity
> that has to be dealt with. For example, I'm having Taylor's capture
> by the gorilla Hunt Club occur on July 4th, 3955 (i.e. Taylor loses
> his independence on "Independence Day" long after the USA has

> destroyed by War), three days after his splashdown in Dead Lake on
> July 1st. The "thunder and lightning yet there's no rain" will be
> caused (as I mentioned way back when) by the gravitational lensing of
> ion streams from the Sun (the Solar Wind) by the Black-Hole-which-

> once-the-Moon, which will be in syzygy (between the Earth and the
> Sun, i.e. in the "New Moon" position) on the 2nd of July in 3955.
>
> In other words, that rainless thunder & lightning will be a monthly
> phenomenon, a result of the planet Earth being in the path of that
> ion jet -- a phenomenon which any approaching spaceships will have

> deal with, since getting blasted with a direct hit from such a stream
> of ions would adversely affect any electronics onboard the ship. The
> ion jet streaming out from the Lunar Black Hole's "slingshot effect"
> would be sort of like a comet's tail, always pointed away from the
> Sun -- its source. The rainless lightning storms would also be a
> convenient basis for an Ape Calendar -- a "lunar" calendar, since
> what we call the "New Moon" would be the day on which the sky

> with thunder and lightning, but without any rain ("rain" perhaps
> being seen as a "blessing" that God gives ordinarily -- for the Apes,
> the rainless storm would be like the voice of God threatening to deny
> them His blessings -- the rain -- unless they stay obedient to His
> Will; theocratically-ruled societies tend to have a fanatical
> devotion to the "sacred" calendar, and it was often a heresy to not
> be carefully observant of it; the Ape society, I'm suggesting, was
> founded by intolerant overly-religious types who mandated certain
> behaviors due entirely to their calendar).
>
> At any rate, it's a wonderful vehicle for creativity, to add
> something to a Saga that already exists in film-&-TV format. Even if
> some people don't particularly dig the stuff I'm adding to it, it's
> fun for me to make my hypotheses, etc. But the details I find myself
> compelled to add into the mix make finishing the project all the more
> daunting.
>
> I wish I had something "finished" that I could offer up for you to
> see, but this project IS "ambitious" and will take me a long time to
> get done. It's all a matter of finding the free time to work on it,
> and I'm sure you all know how often "other things" crop up and eat
> into the too-little free time there is.
>
> Patrick

> i seen the planet of the apes marathon on american movie classics
> and really liked them i taped planet of the apes,beneath the planet
> of the apes,conquest of the planet of the apes escape from planet of
> the apes,battle for the planet of the apes. id like too find the
> novel their based on. is this the tv series? i havent seen the new
> movie planet of the apes but i really like the classics is it just
> as good. i cant figure out why the humans are mute in planet of the
> apes tho. another question i got is if caeser in conquest of the
> planet of the apes becomes the leader. hows that affect what
> happened in the past. i know yall gonna say i think to much on this
> movie lol. i also beleave in evoloution so im sorta wondering if
> some of this would happen i mean we evolved from chimpanzees so
> wouldnt the chimps people abuse in labs and probally have somewere
> as slaves evolve? and with all peoples inventing nuclear weapons i
> can see beneath the planet of the apes a possibility. i hope yall
> watched the classics i would like too discuss it.

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "john william northam"
> <william2000_us@y...> wrote:
> > i seen the planet of the apes marathon on american
> movie classics
> > and really liked them i taped planet of the
> apes,beneath the planet
> > of the apes,conquest of the planet of the apes
> escape from planet of
> > the apes,battle for the planet of the apes. id
> like too find the
> > novel their based on. is this the tv series? i
> havent seen the new
> > movie planet of the apes but i really like the
> classics is it just
> > as good. i cant figure out why the humans are mute
> in planet of the
> > apes tho. another question i got is if caeser in
> conquest of the
> > planet of the apes becomes the leader. hows that
> affect what
> > happened in the past. i know yall gonna say i
> think to much on this
> > movie lol. i also beleave in evoloution so im
> sorta wondering if
> > some of this would happen i mean we evolved from
> chimpanzees so
> > wouldnt the chimps people abuse in labs and
> probally have somewere
> > as slaves evolve? and with all peoples inventing
> nuclear weapons i
> > can see beneath the planet of the apes a
> possibility. i hope yall
> > watched the classics i would like too discuss it.
>
>
> I'm glad you enjoyed the marathon. A lot of us can
> answer your
> questions, filling you in on all the details.
> Althouogh I'm not as qualified
> to answer your questions I can tell you that movies
> are not the series.
> Sometime after "Battle" was made, Fox and CBS,
> seeing how the Ape
> saga was popular, came together and created the
> series --- creating a
> handful of shows. Kassidy Rea has fantastic site web
> sight on the TV
> series -- I don't know the web adress off hand.
>
> Yes, I beleive in evolution. Because I have been
> writing POTA fanfic I
> have become interested in Anthropology and other
> sciences related to
> this fasinating study of man and apes. Chimpanzee
> are actually our kin
> in regards to the DNA, the chimps 98.7 the same as
> ours. Right now
> most contend as how close the chimps are to us and
> were they stand
> in regards to the evolutionary tree. No, the chimps
> are not considered
> our ancestors -- though we are seen as "The third
> chimpanzee" thus we
> come from the same ape as did the chimpanzee.
> Somewhere along the
> way, we diverged, walking up-right instead the
> knuckling walking chimps
> and gorillas do today. That diverging creature was
> known as the
> Astraulopithicus -- Lucy (I hope I spelled that
> right. If not then you will
> know I'm an awful speller no matter how much I love
> this field of
> science.) From this up-right ape we evolved into
> what we are today, our
> evolution caused by enviromental and geographical
> influences -- the
> advancing of the ice caps). May I suggest, if you
> havn'e already, you
> watch "Walking with Caveman" or read the book. Its a
> good and
> entertaining way to help you get started in better
> understanding our
> origins.
> If apes are to evolve as seen on the movies, then
> genetics would be
> definit factor. With this and the enviromental
> influences such as taking
> them out of their natural habitats and placing them
> into the shackles of
> slavery, the apes just might take over. Indeed,as
> each day that passes
> us by and what is happenig to our great apes, the
> possibility of POTA is
> a growing reality. Probably nothing like Rod
> Sterling had imagined it or
> but close enough.
>
>
> Wendy
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:32 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Jeff's Kubrix contest


> So who won?
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Sounds interesting. Your first book can just be about this, never

>
> *** I have not read the Ann Lamont book you mentioned. What's it
> about? Telepathy? Mind-Control? I've never heard of either her or
> this book of hers. Clue me in, will ya?

> Just for fun, I picked up a couple novels by John Jakes (novelization
> author for "CONQUEST"). I'm a couple chapters into a satirical novel
> called "MENTION MY NAME IN ATLANTIS" (which takes place in

> some 10,000 years ago). So far, it's kinda fun. I'll let you know if
> it's worth reading when I finish it. He dedicated it to Robert E.
> Howard (creator of the Conan pulp stories), and there's a Conanesque
> character in it (heavy on the satire). Years ago, I read John Jakes'
> 4 "Brak the Barbarian" novels, which were NOT satirical -- and, if
> REH's Conan stories are something you dig, you might like Jakes'

> novels.

> The other book of his that I just picked up is called "SECRETS OF
> STARDEEP" (an SF novel), which I'll be reading as soon as I finish
> his other book.


>
> By the way, I just finished reading a number of really good books.
> Dan Brown's book "THE DA VINCI CODE" is currently on the

> list (and it's gonna be made into a movie), and I've read it.

> terrific. I've also read its "prequel", "ANGELS AND DEMONS" (an
> earlier-written novel with the same protagonist), which would also
> make a great movie. Since those two novels were so good, I read his
> other two (of four) published books, "DECEPTION POINT"

> FORTRESS". Dan Brown is a terrific writer, and all 4 of his books are
> top notch.
>
> On a whim, I bought and read 3 other books by an Australian novelist
> named Matthew Reilly. The first is called "ICE STATION", the 2nd
> one "TEMPLE", and the 3rd (a sequel of sorts to the 1st book)
> is "AREA 7". All 3 books are basically military/techno-thrillers, and
> all 3 are well-written and exciting as hell. I bought his books
> mainly because I liked the setting for his 1st and 3rd novels
> (Antarctica, for "ICE STATION", and a Top-Secret Air Force facility
> in the Utah desert, near Lake Powell (where they filmed the Forbidden
> Zone stuff for POTA), for "AREA 7"). Remember how they referred to
> the movie "UNDER SIEGE" as "Die-Hard"-on-a-battleship, etc.? Well,
> Reilly's books read kinda like "Die-Hard"-in-Antarctica and "Die-
> Hard"-in-a-huge-USA-military-base". They kick some major ass, I'm
> tellin' you.

> thanks for the information iv just started studying
> evolution i dont know very much. iv watched some very
> good movies on discovery channel on it id probally
> learn more from a book tho. they ever show the series
> on tv anymore. i can see how alot of the movie could
> happen i dont think its exactly gonna be that way. but
> i think someday the world may have problems if apes
> ever evolve.

> >
> >
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:02 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Patrick's novel-in-progress


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "libraryape" <Willowape@h...> wrote:
> > Sounds interesting. Your first book can just be about this, never
> mind the other stuff which we already know about.No sense in
> repeating what has already been done unless it REALLY holds dirt to
> the foundation in which your trying to convey. Why not just stay
> focused on Mendez's view. You have my attention on that alone
> already. Have you ever read Ann Lamont's "Bird by Bird"??? (Sorry if
> I misspelled her name. Damn if I can remember were I park my car at
> the shopping centre parking lot than recall how to spell someone's
> name!)
>
> Wendy
>
> *** I have not read the Ann Lamont book you mentioned. What's it
> about? Telepathy? Mind-Control? I've never heard of either her or
> this book of hers. Clue me in, will ya?
>
> Just for fun, I picked up a couple novels by John Jakes (novelization
> author for "CONQUEST"). I'm a couple chapters into a satirical novel
> called "MENTION MY NAME IN ATLANTIS" (which takes place in Atlantis,
> some 10,000 years ago). So far, it's kinda fun. I'll let you know if
> it's worth reading when I finish it. He dedicated it to Robert E.
> Howard (creator of the Conan pulp stories), and there's a Conanesque
> character in it (heavy on the satire). Years ago, I read John Jakes'
> 4 "Brak the Barbarian" novels, which were NOT satirical -- and, if
> REH's Conan stories are something you dig, you might like Jakes' Brak
> novels. I did.
> The other book of his that I just picked up is called "SECRETS OF
> STARDEEP" (an SF novel), which I'll be reading as soon as I finish
> his other book.
>
> By the way, I just finished reading a number of really good books.
> Dan Brown's book "THE DA VINCI CODE" is currently on the bestseller
> list (and it's gonna be made into a movie), and I've read it. It's
> terrific. I've also read its "prequel", "ANGELS AND DEMONS" (an
> earlier-written novel with the same protagonist), which would also
> make a great movie. Since those two novels were so good, I read his
> other two (of four) published books, "DECEPTION POINT" and "DIGITAL
> FORTRESS". Dan Brown is a terrific writer, and all 4 of his books are
> top notch.
>
> On a whim, I bought and read 3 other books by an Australian novelist
> named Matthew Reilly. The first is called "ICE STATION", the 2nd
> one "TEMPLE", and the 3rd (a sequel of sorts to the 1st book)
> is "AREA 7". All 3 books are basically military/techno-thrillers, and
> all 3 are well-written and exciting as hell. I bought his books
> mainly because I liked the setting for his 1st and 3rd novels
> (Antarctica, for "ICE STATION", and a Top-Secret Air Force facility
> in the Utah desert, near Lake Powell (where they filmed the Forbidden
> Zone stuff for POTA), for "AREA 7"). Remember how they referred to
> the movie "UNDER SIEGE" as "Die-Hard"-on-a-battleship, etc.? Well,
> Reilly's books read kinda like "Die-Hard"-in-Antarctica and "Die-
> Hard"-in-a-huge-USA-military-base". They kick some major ass, I'm
> tellin' you.
>
> Dan Brown and Matthew Reilly -- both of 'em, top-notch writers. Top-
> Notch! How about a Fresca? (Sorry, I was channeling Judge Smails
> (sp?) from "CADDYSHACK" there...)
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:27 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Patrick's novel-in-progress

  For those who don't know, John Jakes is best known for historical novels
like "North and South". He's probably like the John Grisham or Tom Clancy of
that genre. Quite a feather in "Apes" ' cap to have him involved. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:02 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Patrick's novel-in-progress


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "libraryape" <Willowape@h...> wrote:
> > Sounds interesting. Your first book can just be about this, never
> mind the other stuff which we already know about.No sense in
> repeating what has already been done unless it REALLY holds dirt to
> the foundation in which your trying to convey. Why not just stay
> focused on Mendez's view. You have my attention on that alone
> already. Have you ever read Ann Lamont's "Bird by Bird"??? (Sorry if
> I misspelled her name. Damn if I can remember were I park my car at
> the shopping centre parking lot than recall how to spell someone's
> name!)
>
> Wendy
>
> *** I have not read the Ann Lamont book you mentioned. What's it
> about? Telepathy? Mind-Control? I've never heard of either her or
> this book of hers. Clue me in, will ya?
>
> Just for fun, I picked up a couple novels by John Jakes (novelization
> author for "CONQUEST"). I'm a couple chapters into a satirical novel
> called "MENTION MY NAME IN ATLANTIS" (which takes place in Atlantis,
> some 10,000 years ago). So far, it's kinda fun. I'll let you know if
> it's worth reading when I finish it. He dedicated it to Robert E.
> Howard (creator of the Conan pulp stories), and there's a Conanesque
> character in it (heavy on the satire). Years ago, I read John Jakes'
> 4 "Brak the Barbarian" novels, which were NOT satirical -- and, if
> REH's Conan stories are something you dig, you might like Jakes' Brak
> novels. I did.
> The other book of his that I just picked up is called "SECRETS OF
> STARDEEP" (an SF novel), which I'll be reading as soon as I finish
> his other book.
>
> By the way, I just finished reading a number of really good books.
> Dan Brown's book "THE DA VINCI CODE" is currently on the bestseller
> list (and it's gonna be made into a movie), and I've read it. It's
> terrific. I've also read its "prequel", "ANGELS AND DEMONS" (an
> earlier-written novel with the same protagonist), which would also
> make a great movie. Since those two novels were so good, I read his
> other two (of four) published books, "DECEPTION POINT" and "DIGITAL
> FORTRESS". Dan Brown is a terrific writer, and all 4 of his books are
> top notch.
>
> On a whim, I bought and read 3 other books by an Australian novelist
> named Matthew Reilly. The first is called "ICE STATION", the 2nd
> one "TEMPLE", and the 3rd (a sequel of sorts to the 1st book)
> is "AREA 7". All 3 books are basically military/techno-thrillers, and
> all 3 are well-written and exciting as hell. I bought his books
> mainly because I liked the setting for his 1st and 3rd novels
> (Antarctica, for "ICE STATION", and a Top-Secret Air Force facility
> in the Utah desert, near Lake Powell (where they filmed the Forbidden
> Zone stuff for POTA), for "AREA 7"). Remember how they referred to
> the movie "UNDER SIEGE" as "Die-Hard"-on-a-battleship, etc.? Well,
> Reilly's books read kinda like "Die-Hard"-in-Antarctica and "Die-
> Hard"-in-a-huge-USA-military-base". They kick some major ass, I'm
> tellin' you.
>
> Dan Brown and Matthew Reilly -- both of 'em, top-notch writers. Top-
> Notch! How about a Fresca? (Sorry, I was channeling Judge Smails
> (sp?) from "CADDYSHACK" there...)
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, kidro85@a... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Keep on top of Terry & tell him to send back your Moola- He tried
that crap
> with me, but didn't get far. I did get my money back, plus the
Toons from
> him-but the quality of his toons were pretty poor.
>
> Tony
>
>
> a message dated 11/14/2003 6:44:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> alvarezperea@c... writes:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > I'm looking for the POTA animated series on DVD. I found a guy
who I
> > bought it from (Terry Hoknes) but now he says that he isn't
selling
> > it any more because he has had problems with police (and now he
> > won't send my money back). I'm really looking forward to buy
this.
> > Do you know how can I do that?
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > Alberto
> >

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
> group.
>
> File : /return_to_pota_dvd_cover.jpg
> Uploaded by : CapiTrueno <alvarezperea@c...>
> Description : My home made cover for POTA cartoons DVD
>
> You can access this file at the URL
>
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/return_to_pota_dvd_cover.jpg
>
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit
>
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
>
> Regards,
>
> CapiTrueno <alvarezperea@c...>

> Hey! This is a "home made cover for POTA cartoons DVD"? The pic

> as hell looked like an "official" 20th Century-Fox release! For a

> seconds there I thought Fox home video was actually releasing the
> damned POTA 'toons!
>
> Have you emailed Fox that pic, just to "suggest" that they

> do an official DVD release of the POTA cartoons? I wonder if

> take any notice of it...
>
> Patrick
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
> > group.
> >
> > File : /return_to_pota_dvd_cover.jpg
> > Uploaded by : CapiTrueno <alvarezperea@c...>
> > Description : My home made cover for POTA cartoons DVD
> >
> > You can access this file at the URL
> >
> >
>

> >
> > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit
> >
> > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > CapiTrueno <alvarezperea@c...>

> In a message dated 11/14/03 8:56:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> > Have you emailed Fox that pic, just to "suggest" that they

> > Patrick
>
> I would love to e-mail Fox -- IF THEY HAD AN E-MAIL ADDRESS!!
>
> Hey Patrick, you still alive?
>
> -- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:43 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Bambi R.I.P., and my reviews of 2 John Jakes novels

P.S. Why the f*** doesn't Fox have an e-mail address? Doesn't ANYBODY
working for Fox have an e-mail address where we can send in a
suggestion or two or a hundred?

> So... Bambi's now messy venison (although it's been cleaned up

> and THAT is a job I would NOT want to have), and I'm driving a
> different car, and I've been pretty busy working this shit out and
> finding time to check out an occasional movie, read a book, work on
> my projects (especially my POTA opus), etc. I'm still alive... but,
> oh deer!
>
> Patrick
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "libraryape" <Willowape@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:37 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Bambi R.I.P., and my reviews of 2 John
Jakes novels


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
>
> > So... Bambi's now messy venison (although it's been cleaned up
> since,
> > and THAT is a job I would NOT want to have), and I'm driving a
> > different car, and I've been pretty busy working this shit out and
> > finding time to check out an occasional movie, read a book, work on
> > my projects (especially my POTA opus), etc. I'm still alive... but,
> > oh deer!
> >
> > Patrick
> >
>
>
> Good thing for you that Bambi wasn't Godzilla. (if you are of the
> 1977
> short animated film generation you will know what the hell I talking
> about.) Sorry you totaled your car. Even more so, I'm glad you are
> okay.To hit an animal is is pretty tramatic. I can't bear much less
> dare
> to
> think what it would be like to have run over a person or child.
>
> Years back I hit a
> dog
> that darted out into the steet. My heart breaking
> into a
> million pieces, I parked the car off to the side of road and chased
> after the injured animal. Never found him but I sprang my ankle real
> good -- spewing a
> handful of swear words myself while dreading those "Pet Cemetary"
> nightmares that would haunt my sleep for months, even years. As you
> can see I survived, getting over the anxiety. Yet, I never forgot
> thus I'm
> sharing with you this "ant hill" of story campared to your "Mount
> Everest".
>
> I know this is off topic but this post "Your Deer Story" is
> the
> best writing you've done as the very voice came from the inner you not
> from text
> book you have stored that wonderful brain of yours. Bruce Coville
> told
> me once that a real life incident is something that can be used in
> stories. (Might I suggest you use this experience with Mendez.) In
> any
> case, I can't wait to see what you've done with POTA. Thanks for
> book
> reviews. You are a natural.
> Wendy
> PS Here is the correct title to the writing books I suggested in a
> earlier
> post. (That's if you don't already know or can give a hooey) They
> are "Steering the Craft" by Ursula Leguine (Sorry if I misspelled
> her last
> name) and "The Wonder of it all" by David Gerrold. (Ah yes, I spelled
> his
> last name correctly, FINALLY!).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:51 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Bambi R.I.P., and my reviews of 2 John Jakes novels

  Well, since you never found the dog, you might assume he was found and
taken care of. Couldn't be in that bad a shape if he could run away.
  I once saw a cat run across a street and conked it's head on a car driving
by and died. Didn't get run over but I'll never forget that, and that was
about 20 years ago. Just seeing the cat running and the car and knowing
there's impending doom. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "libraryape" <Willowape@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:37 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Bambi R.I.P., and my reviews of 2 John
Jakes novels


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
>
> > So... Bambi's now messy venison (although it's been cleaned up
> since,
> > and THAT is a job I would NOT want to have), and I'm driving a
> > different car, and I've been pretty busy working this shit out and
> > finding time to check out an occasional movie, read a book, work on
> > my projects (especially my POTA opus), etc. I'm still alive... but,
> > oh deer!
> >
> > Patrick
> >
>
>
> Good thing for you that Bambi wasn't Godzilla. (if you are of the
> 1977
> short animated film generation you will know what the hell I talking
> about.) Sorry you totaled your car. Even more so, I'm glad you are
> okay.To hit an animal is is pretty tramatic. I can't bear much less
> dare
> to
> think what it would be like to have run over a person or child.
>
> Years back  I hit a
> dog
> that darted out into the steet.  My heart breaking
> into a
> million pieces, I parked the car off to the side of road and  chased
> after the injured animal. Never found him but I sprang my ankle real
> good -- spewing a
> handful of swear words myself while dreading those "Pet Cemetary"
> nightmares that would haunt my sleep for months, even years.  As you
> can see I survived, getting over the anxiety. Yet, I never forgot
> thus I'm
> sharing with you this "ant hill" of story campared to your "Mount
> Everest".
>
> I know this is off topic but this post "Your Deer Story" is
> the
> best writing you've done as the very voice came from the inner you not
> from text
> book you have stored that wonderful brain of yours. Bruce Coville
> told
> me once that a real life incident is something that can be used in
> stories. (Might I suggest you use this experience with Mendez.) In
> any
> case,  I can't wait to see what you've done with POTA.  Thanks for
> book
> reviews. You are a natural.
> Wendy
> PS Here is the correct title to the writing books I suggested in a
> earlier
> post. (That's if you don't already know or can give a hooey) They
> are  "Steering the Craft" by Ursula Leguine (Sorry if I misspelled
> her last
> name) and "The Wonder of it all" by David Gerrold. (Ah yes, I spelled
> his
> last name correctly, FINALLY!).
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .