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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Burton on "Apes 2"

Well, if they do Apes 2 at least it won't be a TIm Burton film, Thank Christ!  He had a couple of good ideas there.  But it's like a couple of peanuts buried in monkey poop!  There are only a couple of directors I would trust to handle that salvage job...Gilliam and Jackson!

 

 

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 11:13 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Burton on "Apes 2"

In a message dated 11/24/2003 11:59:02 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Forget both. We'll probably get some hack like the guy directing "Alien vs. Predator". - - - Jeff

Yeah, maybe.  But look on the bright side.  Can't do any worse than Buton did.

 

 

 

 

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> I haven't seen "Bambi vs. Godzilla" since, oh, about 20 years ago, at
> one of the local SF conventions (back when the movies were all

shown

> on screens via a film projector, in the dark ages before VCRs went
> gangbusters). There was also a STAR TREK (TOS) blooper reel that

made

> the rounds.

Oh yes. I remember those! I also remember watching it on video for the
first time on Mrs. Johnson's TV because she was the only one in
the "Alpha Centura" (Star Trek) club to have a machine and the
connections to get the tape that, these days, would be concidered a
bootleg. Speaking of bloopers, I wonder if POTA has any? I bet Fox has
those stashed away in the archives somewhere. I know that Star Wars
had bloopers. I saw those too at a Star Wars movie marathon during
Worldcon in Denver all thos years ago. Just imagine, Roddy's mouth
peice falls off --- General Aldo about to fall of his horse or runs into
tree. You know, stuff like that.

>
> Thanks for your kudos on my "Deer Story" writing, Wendy. Needless

to

> say, I wish I'd rather not had such a story to write about, both for
> my own sake (financially, etc) and for that unfortunate deer's sake.

Yeah, I think a lot of us wish that bad things didn't happen to us.

>
> BTW, Jeff, what you said about seeing a cat get hit by a car
> I was not happy about that, and wanted to know the jerk's name &
> address (which they could have found out, based on his license plate
> number), so that I could confront him... but the cops weren't about
> to let me get in his face about it. It's not like I'm Marvel comics'
> character "the Punisher"...

Not mention road rage. Seeing how the idiot ran over the cat there was
probably no stopping him from hurting you. I hate people that are
heartless. If they are running over poor animals then what's to stop
them from hitting a human being? I would have said that to the cops.
Maybe then, they would have taken the incident a bit more seriously.
Jeez, I can't believe I share the same road with these people.

Wendy

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Your squirrel story reminds me of song I heard once on the "Pariedog
Companion Show" entitled, "The squirrel with a Death Wish" Won a few
awards.
Anyway, Possums are the same, especially during the night. They get
hypnotized by the headlights. Little do they know that the "Light" isn't a
train but something even worse, a car.

Wendy

> I saw a squirrel ran over yesterday. That kind of thing makes me feel

bad

> all day -- even when it's someone else -- not to blame the person who

did. I

> don't think they even knew. But to be fair, the squirrels were partly to

blame.

> One squirrel got half-way across the road and then stopped. He took

off at

> the last second and made it. But seeing his buddy cross the road

made the

> other one make a break for it and he got nailed. It was sad, but

sometimes I

> wonder if they're playing squirrel tag, or suicide chicken, or what. It

was in

> the 20s the night before. Maybe the first squirrel said, "I can't take

another

> hard winter!" but then chickened out. And the second squirrel

said, "I'll

> show you how it's done pal!" Then again maybe squirrels are like

rabbits, and

> the first one was just an annoyed female who was tired of being

pestered with

> sex, and said, "I know how to get this guy off my back!"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

> Yes they can. At least Burton gives us some decent visuals.

Really? Where were they?

Except for a few things (such as the female chimps) I liked the look of
Burton's film.It showed some imagination. I liked the music; Elfman probably
won't be back if Burton isn't. Burton can command quite a lot of talent. If
the schedule had been decent and they had a screenwriter who grasped that
POTA is science fiction, not a fashion show, they might have had an
excellent film. The next director probably won't have the resources Burton
did. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil" <pjn1209@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Burton on "Apes 2"


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> > Yes they can. At least Burton gives us some decent visuals.
>
> Really? Where were they?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I sure hope there is a sequel to Burton's film, I liked it a lot. I wonder if anyone has given consideration to a possible film merger of the original POTA characters and Burton's. I'm picturing a movie poster similar to the cover of the classic X-MEN # 100. Wouldn't it be a cool standoff pic- Ursus/Attar, Zauis/Limbo, Zira/Ari, etc. etc.

Dan

>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:22:39 -0800
> From: <veetus@...>
> Subject: Re: Burton on "Apes 2"
>
> Except for a few things (such as the female chimps) I liked the look of
> Burton's film.It showed some imagination. I liked the music; Elfman probably
> won't be back if Burton isn't. Burton can command quite a lot of talent. If
> the schedule had been decent and they had a screenwriter who grasped that
> POTA is science fiction, not a fashion show, they might have had an
> excellent film. The next director probably won't have the resources Burton
> did. - - - Jeff

All the actors who played the original characters are dead. What's the
point of new actors playing old favorites? Pierce Brosnan as Zauis? I can't
imagine someone else playing Zira. Plus it smacks too much of "Alien vs.
Predator". POTA2001 ended on Earth. That's a good starting point. Keep
Wahlberg for continuity and create a solid sci-fi story. No time travel, no
"Back to the Future" stuff, just an interesting story based on where he
landed. - - - Jeff

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From: <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1772


> I sure hope there is a sequel to Burton's film, I liked it a lot. I
wonder if anyone has given consideration to a possible film merger of the
original POTA characters and Burton's. I'm picturing a movie poster similar
to the cover of the classic X-MEN # 100. Wouldn't it be a cool standoff
pic- Ursus/Attar, Zauis/Limbo, Zira/Ari, etc. etc.
>
> Dan
>
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:22:39 -0800
> > From: <veetus@...>
> > Subject: Re: Burton on "Apes 2"
> >
> > Except for a few things (such as the female chimps) I liked the look
of
> > Burton's film.It showed some imagination. I liked the music; Elfman
probably
> > won't be back if Burton isn't. Burton can command quite a lot of talent.
If
> > the schedule had been decent and they had a screenwriter who grasped
that
> > POTA is science fiction, not a fashion show, they might have had an
> > excellent film. The next director probably won't have the resources
Burton
> > did. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
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Of course we'd need new actors- Heston would forget his lines! (just
joking, don't anyone have a heart attack). If an old/new film were
considered, we wouldn't HAVE to use Zauis, Ursus, etc. We could use
characters that look similar with new names. Even those in the
clique don't oppose to Urko looking too much like Ursus, right?

Dan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> All the actors who played the original characters are dead.
What's the
> point of new actors playing old favorites? Pierce Brosnan as Zauis?
I can't
> imagine someone else playing Zira. Plus it smacks too much
of "Alien vs.
> Predator". POTA2001 ended on Earth. That's a good starting point.
Keep
> Wahlberg for continuity and create a solid sci-fi story. No time
travel, no
> "Back to the Future" stuff, just an interesting story based on
where he
> landed. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mystic4ever@s...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1772
>
>
> > I sure hope there is a sequel to Burton's film, I liked it a
lot. I
> wonder if anyone has given consideration to a possible film merger
of the
> original POTA characters and Burton's. I'm picturing a movie
poster similar
> to the cover of the classic X-MEN # 100. Wouldn't it be a cool
standoff
> pic- Ursus/Attar, Zauis/Limbo, Zira/Ari, etc. etc.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:22:39 -0800
> > > From: <veetus@e...>
> > > Subject: Re: Burton on "Apes 2"
> > >
> > > Except for a few things (such as the female chimps) I liked
the look
> of
> > > Burton's film.It showed some imagination. I liked the music;
Elfman
> probably
> > > won't be back if Burton isn't. Burton can command quite a lot
of talent.
> If
> > > the schedule had been decent and they had a screenwriter who
grasped
> that
> > > POTA is science fiction, not a fashion show, they might have
had an
> > > excellent film. The next director probably won't have the
resources
> Burton
> > > did. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

Your thoughts: If they do do away with Burton's characters for the
next POTA movie, and that one is a hit, do you think they would re-
use those characters for a third movie or start fresh again like the
Crow movies- same basic story but different characters, different
circumstances. This would give each "modern" POTA film a different
feel.

Dan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> All the actors who played the original characters are dead.
What's the
> point of new actors playing old favorites? Pierce Brosnan as Zauis?
I can't
> imagine someone else playing Zira. Plus it smacks too much
of "Alien vs.
> Predator". POTA2001 ended on Earth. That's a good starting point.
Keep
> Wahlberg for continuity and create a solid sci-fi story. No time
travel, no
> "Back to the Future" stuff, just an interesting story based on
where he
> landed. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mystic4ever@s...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1772
>
>
> > I sure hope there is a sequel to Burton's film, I liked it a
lot. I
> wonder if anyone has given consideration to a possible film merger
of the
> original POTA characters and Burton's. I'm picturing a movie
poster similar
> to the cover of the classic X-MEN # 100. Wouldn't it be a cool
standoff
> pic- Ursus/Attar, Zauis/Limbo, Zira/Ari, etc. etc.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:22:39 -0800
> > > From: <veetus@e...>
> > > Subject: Re: Burton on "Apes 2"
> > >
> > > Except for a few things (such as the female chimps) I liked
the look
> of
> > > Burton's film.It showed some imagination. I liked the music;
Elfman
> probably
> > > won't be back if Burton isn't. Burton can command quite a lot
of talent.
> If
> > > the schedule had been decent and they had a screenwriter who
grasped
> that
> > > POTA is science fiction, not a fashion show, they might have
had an
> > > excellent film. The next director probably won't have the
resources
> Burton
> > > did. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

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If they do another POTA movie and it's a hit, they will probably continue
using those characters. Many people have a bad taste after the last one, so
I think Fox would try to distance themselves from it with mostly new
characters (plus most of the cast is reportedly not interested in another
one if Burton doesn't do it; helena Bonham Carter is the mother of his
child). Mark Wahlberg had a hit with "The Italian Job", so continue with his
character. They can deal with the Thade thing without Tim Roth coming back
(his character seems to be dead at the end of POTA2001). New characters will
lower the cost, because they won't have to give the others a raise, Markie
can be continuity. And give us a kick ass story, go easy on the ape armies
so the budget won't give Fox a hernia, and if it's a good movie word of
mouth will save the day. The important thing is to make it interesting and
surprising, so definitely not "the same old story". - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1772


> Your thoughts: If they do do away with Burton's characters for the
> next POTA movie, and that one is a hit, do you think they would re-
> use those characters for a third movie or start fresh again like the
> Crow movies- same basic story but different characters, different
> circumstances. This would give each "modern" POTA film a different
> feel.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > All the actors who played the original characters are dead.
> What's the
> > point of new actors playing old favorites? Pierce Brosnan as Zauis?
> I can't
> > imagine someone else playing Zira. Plus it smacks too much
> of "Alien vs.
> > Predator". POTA2001 ended on Earth. That's a good starting point.
> Keep
> > Wahlberg for continuity and create a solid sci-fi story. No time
> travel, no
> > "Back to the Future" stuff, just an interesting story based on
> where he
> > landed. - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mystic4ever@s...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1772
> >
> >
> > > I sure hope there is a sequel to Burton's film, I liked it a
> lot. I
> > wonder if anyone has given consideration to a possible film merger
> of the
> > original POTA characters and Burton's. I'm picturing a movie
> poster similar
> > to the cover of the classic X-MEN # 100. Wouldn't it be a cool
> standoff
> > pic- Ursus/Attar, Zauis/Limbo, Zira/Ari, etc. etc.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Message: 2
> > > > Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:22:39 -0800
> > > > From: <veetus@e...>
> > > > Subject: Re: Burton on "Apes 2"
> > > >
> > > > Except for a few things (such as the female chimps) I liked
> the look
> > of
> > > > Burton's film.It showed some imagination. I liked the music;
> Elfman
> > probably
> > > > won't be back if Burton isn't. Burton can command quite a lot
> of talent.
> > If
> > > > the schedule had been decent and they had a screenwriter who
> grasped
> > that
> > > > POTA is science fiction, not a fashion show, they might have
> had an
> > > > excellent film. The next director probably won't have the
> resources
> > Burton
> > > > did. - - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
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>
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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:57 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1772

In a message dated 11/28/2003 7:22:29 AM Central Standard Time, mystic4ever@... writes:

I sure hope there is a sequel to Burton's film, I liked it a lot. 

It was okay.  Or rather it would have been okay if they had cut Heston's scene and all those Limbo one-liners.  And overdubbed all of Attar's dialogue without the teeth in.  But I expect better than Okay from a movie with the name Planet of the Apes.  Battle Of The Planet Of The Apes was okay.  Some will disagree, and say Battle was better then okay.  I'd jut like to point out the performances of Claude Akins, Severn Darden, and that Fight Like Apes bit, where Roddy's lower jaw is falling off and the went back and smudged that part of the screen in later prints.  Sure Burton didn't have the time or the budget he would have liked, but then he didn't have the balls to stand up to the suits and fight for his vision either.  Then again looking at what he had, I don't think it would have been much better if he had until Christmas!

 

 

 

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One thing Burton said last week (when he said "No Apes") was that he'll never be put in a position again where he starts with a release date.

He should have said that to start with.

He must have grown a pair on Apes.

His kid is proof.  The way he was

carrying that Chihuahua around and

wearing those big blue Charles Nelson

Reilly glasses, I wasn't exactly sure.

 

 

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I watched the Burton movie yesterday again and I must admit that I
really enjoyed it. It's not the old ones, that I like the most, but
this one is also very good. What I don't like is the ending, but as
you have said I think it's a good starting point for a second movie.
The only acto who should repeat is Whalberg (however you spell it).

Alberto

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/28/2003 3:44:57 PM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
> One thing Burton said last week (when he said "No Apes") was that
he'll never
> be put in a position again where he starts with a release date.
> He should have said that to start with.
> He must have grown a pair on Apes.
> His kid is proof. The way he was
> carrying that Chihuahua around and
> wearing those big blue Charles Nelson
> Reilly glasses, I wasn't exactly sure.

Frankly, I wouldn't want to see any more POTA movies unless they have
something even remotely profound to say, thematically. Even the least
of the POTA TV episodes had something to say about Race-relations,
etc., that made it a legitimate part of the Saga. But what did
Burton's flick have to say that was worth saying?

Furthermore, to what extent was Wahlberg's character representative
of the USA, or of "Americanism"? Heston's character was a compelling
protagonist because he was a man of OUR time fleeing from his own
time (in which he didn't feel he belonged) to ANOTHER time and
place... only to find himself in a world turned upside-down. But what
the f*** was it that motivated Wahlberg's "Leo Davidson" character?
He goes after the chimp in the spacepod... for what? Was there
anything profound or compelling about his choice, and the motivating
forces that landed him on Burton's ape-planet?

Let's face it: the mechanics of getting Leo to Burton's ape-planet
are nothing more than sci-fi trappings without any real profound
significance. In contrast, the Taylor mission was plainly one
evocative of so-called "American Imperialism", where the USA intends
to extend its influence out into Outer Space and the far Future,
where "the most precious cargo" they'd brought along, the "lovely
Lieutenant Stewart", was to be their "new Eve" with which the other
astronauts would breed a colony of Americans. All those visible
flags -- on the flight jackets, on the winglets of their ship, the
one that Landon planted in the sand -- further exemplify this theme.
The ending imagery, showing THE icon of Americanism (the Statue) in
ruins, further drives home the thematic thrust of the film: the end-
result of Humanity's self-destructive tendencies, in spite of the
USA's Kennedy-era of spaceflight's "best and brightest" to build a
wonderful Tomorrow.

By making Earth the "planet of the apes", the original film further
drove home the impending HUMAN-made tragedy of our civilization's
downfall. Burton's "planet of the apes", though, is some unknown
alien planet on the other side of a string of weird wormholes,
totally removed from Earth and its own problems. Furthermore, when
Leo gets back to Earth and discovers that Thade had somehow gone back
to Earth (to some unknown time prior to his arrival) and led a
revolution overthrowing Humanity and bringing Apes into the
ascendancy, it beggars plausibility -- after all, the great Apes are
very nearly extinct. The few that aren't being wiped out by poachers
in Africa are living the lives of circus & zoo animals and
research "guinea pigs". Imagine Thade landing in that pod onto a
human-controlled world: how in hell could he lead the FEW surviving
apes in some sort of big-ass war to overthrow Man? The moment he
landed, and the authorities found him -- and found out that he could
talk -- they would've undoubtedly discovered just how much animosity
he had towards them. They would've kept him locked in a research
facility, just like the Roswellian aliens were in "INDEPENDENCE DAY".

Supposedly, Burton's film ended more like Boulle's novel did -- but I
would argue that Boulle's novel was more plausible, since he had set
his story so far into the future that modern-day dynamics didn't
apply. The malaise/ennui of Humanity that Boulle describes fits much
better into a scenario where 26th Century people have already created
their boring Utopia; our 20th/21st Century civilization, because of
all the turmoil in it, is hardly the boring setting that would lend
itself to the scenario that Boulle imagined, where a guy like Antelle
would revert to an animal.

Boulle's novel was profound, in its way. The 1968 film version was
(in my opinion) even MORE profound, by introducing the Nuclear War
element -- where Humanity doesn't just "lose" its civilization, they
DESTROY it.

But Burton's film, ultimately, doesn't have anything all that
profound to say about Human nature. On the contrary, one thing it
SEEMS to be suggesting goes against the very Theme that made the POTA
saga especially relevant: Leo combats Thade's army by utilizing
a "weapon of mass destruction" -- the huge explosion of the wrecked
ship's nuclear fuel, etc. In the 1968 POTA (and its sequels), the
danger of letting loose the "nuclear genie" is depicted, showing the
ruins of the civilization (ours) which let it loose. But in Burton's
film, that explosion is shown as part of the ANSWER to the threat
posed by Thade's hordes. BLOW 'EM UP!

Or... maybe that IS the "message", the "profound" thing, that
Burton's film was trying to say: that USING a WMD is ACCEPTABLE, as
long as it is used in a "limited" fashion. That would echo some of
the thinking of SOME military strategists in the post-Hiroshima
world.

But it AIN'T an acceptable notion, as far as the "classic" POTA saga
is concerned. Deep down, despite all the other things I didn't like
about Burton's film, this thematic disparity is probably the biggest
reason I think POTA2K was NOT a good addition to POTA-dom. So, if
they don't ever make ANY sequel to Burton's film, that would be just
fine with me. Burton's film is as much a part of the "true" POTA saga
as the film "Casino Royale" is to the BOND franchise.

Patrick

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "CapiTrueno" <alvarezperea@c...> wrote:
> I watched the Burton movie yesterday again and I must admit that I
> really enjoyed it. It's not the old ones, that I like the most, but
> this one is also very good. What I don't like is the ending, but as
> you have said I think it's a good starting point for a second
movie.
> The only actor who should repeat is Whalberg (however you spell it).
>
> Alberto
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > In a message dated 11/28/2003 3:44:57 PM Central Standard Time,
> > veetus@e... writes:
> > One thing Burton said last week (when he said "No Apes") was that
> he'll never
> > be put in a position again where he starts with a release date.
> > He should have said that to start with.
> > He must have grown a pair on Apes.
> > His kid is proof. The way he was
> > carrying that Chihuahua around and
> > wearing those big blue Charles Nelson
> > Reilly glasses, I wasn't exactly sure.

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So, if they don't ever make ANY sequel to Burton's film, that would be just
fine with me. Burton's film is as much a part of the "true" POTA saga
as the film "Casino Royale" is to the BOND franchise.

Patrick

What Burton film?  POTA 2001?  What's that?

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I'm still surprised that sooooo many POTA fans dislike Burton's film as much as they do. I'm starting to feel like a minority. I gotta go....I'd best wash the "THADE RULES" graffiti off of my Medicom Lawgiver before anyone sees it!

Dan

>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 2003/12/01 Mon AM 07:49:51 EST
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1775
>
>
> There is 1 message in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: Burton's POTA: its thematic wrong-headedness
> From: Haristas@...
>
>
> ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________

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I'm still surprised that sooooo many POTA fans dislike Burton's film as much as they do.   I'm starting to feel like a minority.  I gotta go....I'd best wash the "THADE RULES" graffiti off of my Medicom Lawgiver before anyone sees it!

Dan

It was a HUGE disaster!  Bad for POTA and the SF film genre in general.

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1775

I'm still surprised that sooooo many POTA fans dislike Burton's film as much as they do.   I'm starting to feel like a minority.  I gotta go....I'd best wash the "THADE RULES" graffiti off of my Medicom Lawgiver before anyone sees it!

Dan



>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 2003/12/01 Mon AM 07:49:51 EST
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1775
>
>
> There is 1 message in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Re: Burton's POTA: its thematic wrong-headedness
>            From: Haristas@...
>
>
> ____________> ____________> ____________> ____________>

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To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:56 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Hope you like this dating website

Waaaa ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:49 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hope you like this dating website

  Try it, Michael! You can't be a virgin forever. - - - Jeff

 

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Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:56 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Hope you like this dating website

Waaaa ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I do agree with virtually ALL of you, that the original POTA's are
stronger films, but if you look at it on it's own without comparison,
Burton's film is great. It's too bad Burton won't be back for a
sequel. I wonder why he's not fond of BATMAN RETURNS. That was a
good movie. The franchise got worse only after Burton left.

Dan



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> You ARE a minority, but that's OK. I really tried to like it but I

hate it.

> I'm very happy for you though that you like it.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mystic4ever@s... [mystic4ever@s...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:21 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1775
>
>
> I'm still surprised that sooooo many POTA fans dislike Burton's

film as much

> as they do. I'm starting to feel like a minority. I gotta

go....I'd best

> wash the "THADE RULES" graffiti off of my Medicom Lawgiver before

anyone

> sees it!
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> >
> > From: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: 2003/12/01 Mon AM 07:49:51 EST
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1775
> >
> >
> > There is 1 message in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. Re: Burton's POTA: its thematic wrong-headedness
> > From: Haristas@a...
> >
> >
> >

__________ __________ __________ __________

Rory sounds backed up. I think he would benefit from the link.

=o)

Dan

(JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Try it, Michael! You can't be a virgin forever. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Whitty, Michael
> To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Hope you like this dating
website
>
>
> Waaaa ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vopugefato6435 [vopugefato6435@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:51 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hope you like this dating website
>
>
> http://www.reviewonlinedating..com
>
> cool new site that I found in another group.
>
>
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Service.
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>

"Batman Returns" is the same situation; it was too "out there" and people
didn't like it. It was the biggest hit of it's year but the studio felt it
didn't do as well as it should have or could have if people liked it.
According to Burton, they didn't want him to do "Batman 3". I liked "Batman
Returns" better than the first one, and much better than 3 and 4. "Batman 3"
did better, and "Batman 4" did worse than "Batman Returns". The first
"Batman" was by far the most successful. I think Burton likes "Batman
Returns" but doesn't like it's reception. Probably there's too much
expectations on sequels for Burton's taste. Their reason to exist is to make
a lot of money and Burton doesn't do well under a lot of financial pressure.
His best movies have smaller budgets. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:36 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (unknown)


> I do agree with virtually ALL of you, that the original POTA's are
> stronger films, but if you look at it on it's own without comparison,
> Burton's film is great. It's too bad Burton won't be back for a
> sequel. I wonder why he's not fond of BATMAN RETURNS. That was a
> good movie. The franchise got worse only after Burton left.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> wrote:
> > You ARE a minority, but that's OK. I really tried to like it but I
> hate it.
> > I'm very happy for you though that you like it.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mystic4ever@s... [mystic4ever@s...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:21 AM
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1775
> >
> >
> > I'm still surprised that sooooo many POTA fans dislike Burton's
> film as much
> > as they do. I'm starting to feel like a minority. I gotta
> go....I'd best
> > wash the "THADE RULES" graffiti off of my Medicom Lawgiver before
> anyone
> > sees it!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: 2003/12/01 Mon AM 07:49:51 EST
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1775
> > >
> > >
> > > There is 1 message in this issue.
> > >
> > > Topics in this digest:
> > >
> > > 1. Re: Burton's POTA: its thematic wrong-headedness
> > > From: Haristas@a...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> __________ > __________ > __________ > __________

Yeah...everything Jeff said plus Michelle Pfeiffer was smokin' hot in
the Catwoman suit!

Dan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> "Batman Returns" is the same situation; it was too "out there"
and people
> didn't like it. It was the biggest hit of it's year but the studio
felt it
> didn't do as well as it should have or could have if people liked
it.
> According to Burton, they didn't want him to do "Batman 3". I
liked "Batman
> Returns" better than the first one, and much better than 3 and
4. "Batman 3"
> did better, and "Batman 4" did worse than "Batman Returns". The
first
> "Batman" was by far the most successful. I think Burton
likes "Batman
> Returns" but doesn't like it's reception. Probably there's too much
> expectations on sequels for Burton's taste. Their reason to exist
is to make
> a lot of money and Burton doesn't do well under a lot of financial
pressure.
> His best movies have smaller budgets. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:36 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (unknown)
>
>
> > I do agree with virtually ALL of you, that the original POTA's are
> > stronger films, but if you look at it on it's own without
comparison,
> > Burton's film is great. It's too bad Burton won't be back for a
> > sequel. I wonder why he's not fond of BATMAN RETURNS. That was a
> > good movie. The franchise got worse only after Burton left.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > wrote:
> > > You ARE a minority, but that's OK. I really tried to like it
but I
> > hate it.
> > > I'm very happy for you though that you like it.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mystic4ever@s... [mystic4ever@s...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:21 AM
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1775
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm still surprised that sooooo many POTA fans dislike Burton's
> > film as much
> > > as they do. I'm starting to feel like a minority. I gotta
> > go....I'd best
> > > wash the "THADE RULES" graffiti off of my Medicom Lawgiver
before
> > anyone
> > > sees it!
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: 2003/12/01 Mon AM 07:49:51 EST
> > > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1775
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There is 1 message in this issue.
> > > >
> > > > Topics in this digest:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Re: Burton's POTA: its thematic wrong-headedness
> > > > From: Haristas@a...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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This show is between two of the hottest on TV, "Friends" and "Will and Grace", so 2/3rds of the nation saw Tracy receive a POTA box set for Christmas. It was a shared experience. Will this spark a frenzy of people giving POTA DVDs this Christmas? Did Fox exec see it and say, "Hmm. POTA box sets. Maybe we should put out a new one". (the show wasn't on Fox) Only time will tell. - - - Jeff

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HI, I'm new here. Searching for original screen-used Planet of the
Apes costumes, props, set pieces, etc. I would love to discuss this
hobby with fellow Planet of the Apes enthusiasts. Is there any "show
and tell" here? FYI: There are some great reference images of
authentic POA memorabilia including a huge selection of set pieces
currently available for free at profilesinhistory.com (click on their
Hollywood link). They are supposed to remove these images after
their big auction this Friday, Dec. 12th so you need to download them
as soon as you can. They make for great screensavers too!!

Thought you guys would like to know. Enjoy, looking forward to
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Thank you LordTZero, I will visit the other MB. FYI: I did receive
some private emails from Ape collectors regarding the upcomign
profilesinhistory.com Apes auction. I am sharing my opinion where
ever possible due to my experience bidding at their previous
auctions. Collectors should never be intimidated by previous record
prices being set or the low and high estimated values listed with
each lot. These do not indicate what the actual reserve price is on
a specific item at the upcoming auction. I have seen great pieces
slip through the cracks because collectors were not present to take
advantage of a fair and affordable price. Even if you are not
bidding, it should be a lot of fun to watch. And I have found that
auctions are often very exciting to participate in. Even if you do
not win... But you never know, you might get a deal! And there is
more than enough Ape artifacts to go around for everyone. Hope to
see you there. Best, Hunt leader Jake

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Hi!

I just seen the complete cartoon series DVD in eBay. Check it!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3370939148

Pota_fan81

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jakebegler" <jakebegler@y...> wrote:

> HI, I'm new here. Searching for original screen-used Planet of the

Apes costumes, props, set pieces, etc. I would love to discuss this
hobby with fellow Planet of the Apes enthusiasts. Is there any "show
and tell" here? FYI: There are some great reference images of
authentic POA memorabilia including a huge selection of set pieces
currently available for free at profilesinhistory.com (click on their
Hollywood link). They are supposed to remove these images after
their big auction this Friday, Dec. 12th so you need to download them
as soon as you can. They make for great screensavers too!!

>
> Thought you guys would like to know. Enjoy, looking forward to

chatting with you. God bless the great Ape... Jake.

*** Hi, Jake, and welcome to our POTA group!

I checked out www.profilesinhistory.com (as you suggested), and they
indeed are auctioning off some original POTA stuff. As I recall, they
were an original Zaius costume (presumably from the movies -- did
Booth Colman wear the same one?), and Milo's "Ape-onaut" suit. Alas,
the prices they were listed at -- which, I assume, are "opening bid"
prices, since this IS an auction, right? -- were in the 5-figure
range, the tens-of-thousands-of-dollars range. Ouch! Maybe if I win
the Powerball lottery, I'll pony up the cash for 'em!

Or, maybe I'll just shell out a couple bucks for a stinking
loincloth... after all, what did I expect? An ape's new suit?

Patrick

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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Cartoon DVD in eBay

In a message dated 12/11/2003 11:23:37 AM Central Standard Time, pota_fan81@... writes:

I just seen the complete cartoon series DVD in eBay.

Somebody with a DVD burner needs to buy that!

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Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:01 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Cartoon DVD in eBay

In a message dated 12/11/2003 11:23:37 AM Central Standard Time, pota_fan81@... writes:

I just seen the complete cartoon series DVD in eBay.

 

Somebody with a DVD burner needs to buy that!

 

 

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It looks like eBay has deleted the listing...

Pota_fan81

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "pota_fan81" <pota_fan81@y...> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I just seen the complete cartoon series DVD in eBay. Check it!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3370939148
>
> Pota_fan81

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Cartoon DVD in eBay

In a message dated 12/11/2003 10:36:46 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

If you had been paying attention as a spy on the POTADG you would know that it is already being addressed.

The fact that I didn't know proves I'm not spying on you

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  Anyway, Greg had a choice of Kubrick sets and chose the "Ursus and his horse" one.

 

Breant's gay?...Ursus and his horse?

 

What is with you people?

 

 

 

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Cartoon DVD in eBay

In a message dated 12/14/2003 4:25:52 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

And you personally stated that you have pseudonyms on the group, AND that you never lie, so one of these points is invalid.

 

I haven't bothered to even read your group.  What's your problem buddy?   I could see me carrying a grudge, since I'm the one that was kicked out.  But I don't.  What I can't figure out is why you even care?  I'm willing to drop it.  I have more important things in my life. Don't you?  I'm sure you must have.  Don't even let it bother you.  I sure don't.  It was always a joke to me.  I haven't even read anything over there in a very long time.  I tried to clean out the in box the other day because I'm on Christmas break and gave up when I got it down around 500!  And it is Christmas . . .. You know?  Peace on Earth & Good will towards Men?  I've tried many time to let bygones be bygone, so...WTF  I'll try again.  It's Christmas.

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Yawn.

 

Alright then Scrooge,

Fuck the hell off

 

Is that better you gelatinous old crap hound?

 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/14/2003 7:23:56 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Predictible

Just trying to make you feel at home.

 

 

Happy Holidays

 

Yawn

 

 

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Cartoon DVD in eBay

In a message dated 12/14/2003 8:19:07 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Boring

 

Yeah, you are.

What's your point?

 

 

 

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Childish

 

Yes, you are.

I thought you were a bigger man than that, and I'm not taking about your weight.  But I tried, so if you're not interested in ending this feud, rather than going another round of it, I think I'll just go back to ignoring you.  Your turn.  Now you can say BORING again, or childish, or predictable, or whatever other one word reply you can come up with.  Yawn...

 

 

 

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Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:29 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Cartoon DVD in eBay

In a message dated 12/14/2003 8:33:16 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Childish

 

Yes, you are.

I thought you were a bigger man than that, and I'm not taking about your weight.  But I tried, so if you're not interested in ending this feud, rather than going another round of it, I think I'll just go back to ignoring you.  Your turn.  Now you can say BORING again, or childish, or predictable, or whatever other one word reply you can come up with.  Yawn...

 

 

 

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Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:11 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Free

In a message dated 12/15/2003 11:59:45 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  My announcement of the "Brent" contest winner got moderated out at the DG. That's too bad, because I don't think the winner is part of this group. I e-mailed him privately but I wanted to congratulate him publicly and bring closure to the contest.

  Anyway, you fine people got the results. No one pulls the wool over your eyes. Hopefully I made the announcement fun (the "Brent is gay" stuff). I guess some topics are too sensitive at the DG.

  I'll try to come up with something interesting exclusively for you guys. - - - Jeff 

 

 

You're a true gentleman Jeff.

Unlike some I know.

They think because they're in charge

of something, whatever they do is right.

Kinda reminds me of some guy who's

been in the news a lot lately.

What was his name again?

 

"You point your fuckin' finger and say,

"There's the bad guy!"  What's that make you?

Good?  You're not good.  You just know how

to hide, how to lie."

 

~~~Al Pacino as Tony Montana from Scarface~~~~

 

 

My appologies to those with delicate sensibilities.

What's his name tends to get me going.

What was his name again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yeah, that's more than enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone likes that. Let's move on to other things....like shouldn't a prize be awarded to who came in second in your contest?

=0)

Dan

> ____________

The USA TODAY paper had this little gem in it yesterday:

------------------------------------------------------
"Human language: All in the genes?"

A comparison of the genetic maps of people and chimpanzees supports
the idea that language is a key factor that makes us human, according
to a team of researchers at Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y., and
Celera Genomics. In Friday's issue of the journal SCIENCE, the
researchers noted differences in genes believed to be involved in the
development of speech and hearing. "We speculate that understanding
spoken language may have required tuning of hearing acuity," they
wrote. The team also found differences in genes involved in the sense
of smell. Scientists think chimps and humans diverged from a common
ancestor 5 million years ago. Humans and chimps share more than 99%
of their genes, and scientists are eager to find out how tiny
differences can be so important.

-------------------------------------------------------

Hmmm... "more than 99% of their genes" are shared between humans and
chimps? Elsewhere, I've read that it's something like 98.3% that's
shared, but maybe that figure refers to human-and-gorilla DNA, or
chimp-and-gorilla DNA instead...?

The Human Genome Project has already mapped out our species' genome,
but I wonder if the same has been done for the great apes?

Patrick

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Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:33 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Free

  Amen, brother. We persecuted have to stick together. Tonight I'll put up an interview I did with the late John Chambers. Or is it tomorrow where some of you are?  - - - Jeff

   "The future's uncertain and the end is always near".

                                                - - - The Doors

                                                  

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From: LordTZer0@...

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Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:11 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Free

In a message dated 12/15/2003 11:59:45 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  My announcement of the "Brent" contest winner got moderated out at the DG. That's too bad, because I don't think the winner is part of this group. I e-mailed him privately but I wanted to congratulate him publicly and bring closure to the contest.

  Anyway, you fine people got the results. No one pulls the wool over your eyes. Hopefully I made the announcement fun (the "Brent is gay" stuff). I guess some topics are too sensitive at the DG.

  I'll try to come up with something interesting exclusively for you guys. - - - Jeff 

 

 

You're a true gentleman Jeff.

Unlike some I know.

They think because they're in charge

of something, whatever they do is right.

Kinda reminds me of some guy who's

been in the news a lot lately.

What was his name again?

 

"You point your fuckin' finger and say,

"There's the bad guy!"  What's that make you?

Good?  You're not good.  You just know how

to hide, how to lie."

 

~~~Al Pacino as Tony Montana from Scarface~~~~

 

 

My appologies to those with delicate sensibilities.

What's his name tends to get me going.

What was his name again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Correct, Dan.

Like I said, it didn't bother me but others didn't like it.

But certain people on this group don't listen to feedback unless it
suits what they want....they kinda "moderate" out anything they don't
wanna hear....like an ostrich, burying their heads in the sand....

That's precisely why this group has become a barren wasteland, filled
with off-topic posts and bickering.

The offenders know the effect of their actions but they won't adapt
to allow others THEIR rights - then they hide behind talk about how
free THIS group is. But they don't get it - freedom is not about
ignoring everyone else to the point where they leave the group, it is
about assimilating feedback and making a place where everyone can BE
free, not oppressed and insulted but free to say what makes them
uncomfortable.

What Jeff did had the same effect as if he had fired a machine gun
into a crowd. Now, instead of realising he has hurt people (albeit
unintentionally I am sure), he wants to drag it on in this group.
Instead of realising the machine gun had to go, he wants to talk
about his RIGHTS to fire a machine gun into a crowd because he is
FREE. I expected more from him.

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <mystic4ever@s...> wrote:
> Yeah, that's more than enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone
likes that. >
> Dan

WHY?


I'll try to come up with something interesting exclusively for you
guys. - - - Jeff

It's all about what people do with their freedom.

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Jake Begler <jakebegler@y...> wrote:
> Duhhhhhhha .....What is this all about?
>
> veetus@e... wrote: Amen, brother. We persecuted have to stick
together. Tonight I'll put up an interview I did with the late John
Chambers. Or is it tomorrow where some of you are? - - - Jeff
> "The future's uncertain and the end is always near".
> - - - The Doors
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LordTZer0@A...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Free
>
>
> In a message dated 12/15/2003 11:59:45 PM Central Standard Time,
veetus@e... writes:
> My announcement of the "Brent" contest winner got moderated out
at the DG. That's too bad, because I don't think the winner is part
of this group. I e-mailed him privately but I wanted to congratulate
him publicly and bring closure to the contest.
> Anyway, you fine people got the results. No one pulls the wool
over your eyes. Hopefully I made the announcement fun (the "Brent is
gay" stuff). I guess some topics are too sensitive at the DG.
> I'll try to come up with something interesting exclusively for
you guys. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
> You're a true gentleman Jeff.
> Unlike some I know.
> They think because they're in charge
> of something, whatever they do is right.
> Kinda reminds me of some guy who's
> been in the news a lot lately.
> What was his name again?
>
> "You point your fuckin' finger and say,
> "There's the bad guy!" What's that make you?
> Good? You're not good. You just know how
> to hide, how to lie."
>
> ~~~Al Pacino as Tony Montana from Scarface~~~~
>
>
> My appologies to those with delicate sensibilities.
> What's his name tends to get me going.
> What was his name again?
>
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>
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This entry made me wonder, but I chose to exercise my freedom to
avoid further embarrassing a certain person.

However, since Jeff has said recently that Ape Chronicles may be
returning to print, and since this is the THIRD person to accuse
Jeff's partner in the venture, Terry Hoknes, of being a crook, I
think it would be wise to ask for Jeff's input here.

Jeff, are you aware that people are sending money to Terry and he is
telling them they can't get what they want and that he refuses to
return their money?

What is your opinion of this?

Does this make you want to disassociate yourself from Terry?

If Ape Chronicles does return, do you think people will be confident
to send in money after this?

Is this just Terry's way of saying "I'm free! Free to rip people
off! God bless America!"? ;)

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "CapiTrueno" <alvarezperea@c...> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'm looking for the POTA animated series on DVD. I found a guy who
I
> bought it from (Terry Hoknes) but now he says that he isn't selling
> it any more because he has had problems with police (and now he
> won't send my money back). I'm really looking forward to buy this.
> Do you know how can I do that?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Alberto

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-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:01 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Land of the Gay

In a message dated 12/16/2003 6:36:51 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I'll try to come up with something interesting exclusively for you
guys. - - - Jeff

 

How about a contest to see which people I am on the other group?

Mike would probably like to kick me off some more.

 

 

 

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:59 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1785

In a message dated 12/16/2003 6:13:04 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

What Jeff did had the same effect as if he had fired a machine gun
into a crowd.  Now, instead of realising he has hurt people (albeit
unintentionally I am sure), he wants to drag it on in this group.

 

Feel free to fire your machine gun here, Jeff.

And Mike, stand over against that wall.

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:01 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Land of the Gay

In a message dated 12/16/2003 6:36:51 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I'll try to come up with something interesting exclusively for you
guys. - - - Jeff

 

How about a contest to see which people I am on the other group?

Mike would probably like to kick me off some more.

 

 

 

 

 

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Time to address a very serious issue.

I have been contacted by persons who are distressed by their handing over
money to "The International Planet of the Apes Fan Club" and receiving
NOTHING in return. Apparently they are also told that their money will NOT
be returned to them.

As you can imagine, as founder of the OFFICIAL International Planet of the
Apes Fan Club (free membership), this is an issue that deeply concerns me.

So:

(1) Could we please hear from those who have been effected?

(2) Could somebody please contact Terry and tell him to get his offer to
join the Fan Club OFF the net before more people hand over their cash for
nothing (if you got to the site http://www.hoknes.com/apes.htm it claims:
"If you enjoyed this website then you will love the additional info
available only in our fanzine.
INFORMATION ON ALL ASPECTS OF THE SERIES 1963-2003" - this is obviously
misleading).
(3) Jeff, are you aware this is happening? Can you justify it? What is
your opinion on this?
Michael

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Begler [jakebegler@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:10 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Confused

For us Newbies....What is this aLL about? Please explain. Thanks! Jake

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

A couple of days ago he says:

 

"The fact that I didn't know proves I'm not spying on you"

 

Now he says:

 

"How about a contest to see which people I am on the other group?"

 

Anyone see a pattern (or the lack of one?).

 

Wa ha ha ha ha!!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:01 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Land of the Gay

In a message dated 12/16/2003 6:36:51 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I'll try to come up with something interesting exclusively for you
guys. - - - Jeff

 

How about a contest to see which people I am on the other group?

Mike would probably like to kick me off some more.

 

 

 

 

 

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----- Original Message -----
From: <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1785


> Yeah, that's more than enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone likes
that. Let's move on to other things....like shouldn't a prize be awarded to
who came in second in your contest?
>
> =0)
>
> Dan
>
>
> > ____________

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----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:11 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Free

Jeff

 

Your email was moderated because it offended people.

 

I voted not to moderate because I thought it was a genuine, interesting topic.

 

I lost.

 

The end.

 

"This is the end....beautiful friend." - the Doors

 

PS Yeah, Tony Montana is my role model!  Imagine anyone claiming he isn't a good guy!  Ha ha ha ha!

 

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:33 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Free

  Amen, brother. We persecuted have to stick together. Tonight I'll put up an interview I did with the late John Chambers. Or is it tomorrow where some of you are?  - - - Jeff

   "The future's uncertain and the end is always near".

                                                - - - The Doors

                                                  

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:11 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Free

In a message dated 12/15/2003 11:59:45 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  My announcement of the "Brent" contest winner got moderated out at the DG. That's too bad, because I don't think the winner is part of this group. I e-mailed him privately but I wanted to congratulate him publicly and bring closure to the contest.

  Anyway, you fine people got the results. No one pulls the wool over your eyes. Hopefully I made the announcement fun (the "Brent is gay" stuff). I guess some topics are too sensitive at the DG.

  I'll try to come up with something interesting exclusively for you guys. - - - Jeff 

 

 

You're a true gentleman Jeff.

Unlike some I know.

They think because they're in charge

of something, whatever they do is right.

Kinda reminds me of some guy who's

been in the news a lot lately.

What was his name again?

 

"You point your fuckin' finger and say,

"There's the bad guy!"  What's that make you?

Good?  You're not good.  You just know how

to hide, how to lie."

 

~~~Al Pacino as Tony Montana from Scarface~~~~

 

 

My appologies to those with delicate sensibilities.

What's his name tends to get me going.

What was his name again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:29 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Free

  How could it offend people if it was moderated? It offends people with no sense of humor, like moderators. The end. - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:11 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Free

Jeff

 

Your email was moderated because it offended people.

 

I voted not to moderate because I thought it was a genuine, interesting topic.

 

I lost.

 

The end.

 

"This is the end....beautiful friend." - the Doors

 

PS Yeah, Tony Montana is my role model!  Imagine anyone claiming he isn't a good guy!  Ha ha ha ha!

 

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:33 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Free

  Amen, brother. We persecuted have to stick together. Tonight I'll put up an interview I did with the late John Chambers. Or is it tomorrow where some of you are?  - - - Jeff

   "The future's uncertain and the end is always near".

                                                - - - The Doors

                                                  

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:11 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Free

In a message dated 12/15/2003 11:59:45 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  My announcement of the "Brent" contest winner got moderated out at the DG. That's too bad, because I don't think the winner is part of this group. I e-mailed him privately but I wanted to congratulate him publicly and bring closure to the contest.

  Anyway, you fine people got the results. No one pulls the wool over your eyes. Hopefully I made the announcement fun (the "Brent is gay" stuff). I guess some topics are too sensitive at the DG.

  I'll try to come up with something interesting exclusively for you guys. - - - Jeff 

 

 

You're a true gentleman Jeff.

Unlike some I know.

They think because they're in charge

of something, whatever they do is right.

Kinda reminds me of some guy who's

been in the news a lot lately.

What was his name again?

 

"You point your fuckin' finger and say,

"There's the bad guy!"  What's that make you?

Good?  You're not good.  You just know how

to hide, how to lie."

 

~~~Al Pacino as Tony Montana from Scarface~~~~

 

 

My appologies to those with delicate sensibilities.

What's his name tends to get me going.

What was his name again?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hurt people, my ass. I tried to do an interesting contest and put up a
prize. More than most people do. You old ladies can knit together for all I
care. I'm surprised this is coming from Ape fans. I'd expect them to be more
open-minded than this. Whatever. I'm through trying. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1785


> Correct, Dan.
>
> Like I said, it didn't bother me but others didn't like it.
>
> But certain people on this group don't listen to feedback unless it
> suits what they want....they kinda "moderate" out anything they don't
> wanna hear....like an ostrich, burying their heads in the sand....
>
> That's precisely why this group has become a barren wasteland, filled
> with off-topic posts and bickering.
>
> The offenders know the effect of their actions but they won't adapt
> to allow others THEIR rights - then they hide behind talk about how
> free THIS group is. But they don't get it - freedom is not about
> ignoring everyone else to the point where they leave the group, it is
> about assimilating feedback and making a place where everyone can BE
> free, not oppressed and insulted but free to say what makes them
> uncomfortable.
>
> What Jeff did had the same effect as if he had fired a machine gun
> into a crowd. Now, instead of realising he has hurt people (albeit
> unintentionally I am sure), he wants to drag it on in this group.
> Instead of realising the machine gun had to go, he wants to talk
> about his RIGHTS to fire a machine gun into a crowd because he is
> FREE. I expected more from him.
>
> Michael
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <mystic4ever@s...> wrote:
> > Yeah, that's more than enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone
> likes that. >
> > Dan
>
>
>
>
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I'll deal with Terry when the time comes. Right now I've got enough to do
getting "Chronicles" back off the ground. When it's time I'll see what's up
with Terry. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Terry Hoknes - What's the Story???


> This entry made me wonder, but I chose to exercise my freedom to
> avoid further embarrassing a certain person.
>
> However, since Jeff has said recently that Ape Chronicles may be
> returning to print, and since this is the THIRD person to accuse
> Jeff's partner in the venture, Terry Hoknes, of being a crook, I
> think it would be wise to ask for Jeff's input here.
>
> Jeff, are you aware that people are sending money to Terry and he is
> telling them they can't get what they want and that he refuses to
> return their money?
>
> What is your opinion of this?
>
> Does this make you want to disassociate yourself from Terry?
>
> If Ape Chronicles does return, do you think people will be confident
> to send in money after this?
>
> Is this just Terry's way of saying "I'm free! Free to rip people
> off! God bless America!"? ;)
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "CapiTrueno" <alvarezperea@c...> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I'm looking for the POTA animated series on DVD. I found a guy who
> I
> > bought it from (Terry Hoknes) but now he says that he isn't selling
> > it any more because he has had problems with police (and now he
> > won't send my money back). I'm really looking forward to buy this.
> > Do you know how can I do that?
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > Alberto
>
>
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:39 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Terry Hoknes - What's the Story???

   I'll deal with Terry when the time comes. Right now I've got enough to do
getting "Chronicles" back off the ground. When it's time I'll see what's up
with Terry. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Terry Hoknes - What's the Story???


> This entry made me wonder, but I chose to exercise my freedom to
> avoid further embarrassing a certain person.
>
> However, since Jeff has said recently that Ape Chronicles may be
> returning to print, and since this is the THIRD person to accuse
> Jeff's partner in the venture, Terry Hoknes, of being a crook, I
> think it would be wise to ask for Jeff's input here.
>
> Jeff, are you aware that people are sending money to Terry and he is
> telling them they can't get what they want and that he refuses to
> return their money?
>
> What is your opinion of this?
>
> Does this make you want to disassociate yourself from Terry?
>
> If Ape Chronicles does return, do you think people will be confident
> to send in money after this?
>
> Is this just Terry's way of saying "I'm free!  Free to rip people
> off!  God bless America!"?  ;)
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "CapiTrueno" <alvarezperea@c...> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I'm looking for the POTA animated series on DVD. I found a guy who
> I
> > bought it from (Terry Hoknes) but now he says that he isn't selling
> > it any more because he has had problems with police (and now he
> > won't send my money back). I'm really looking forward to buy this.
> > Do you know how can I do that?
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > Alberto
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:12 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Confused

Not worth wasting time on Jake.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Begler [jakebegler@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:10 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Confused

For us Newbies....What is this aLL about? Please explain. Thanks! Jake

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

A couple of days ago he says:

 

"The fact that I didn't know proves I'm not spying on you"

 

Now he says:

 

"How about a contest to see which people I am on the other group?"

 

Anyone see a pattern (or the lack of one?).

 

Wa ha ha ha ha!!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:01 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Land of the Gay

In a message dated 12/16/2003 6:36:51 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I'll try to come up with something interesting exclusively for you
guys. - - - Jeff

 

How about a contest to see which people I am on the other group?

Mike would probably like to kick me off some more.

 

 

 

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:47 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Confused

  So quit wasting time on it, Michael.

----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:12 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Confused

Not worth wasting time on Jake.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Begler [jakebegler@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:10 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Confused

For us Newbies....What is this aLL about? Please explain. Thanks! Jake

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

A couple of days ago he says:

 

"The fact that I didn't know proves I'm not spying on you"

 

Now he says:

 

"How about a contest to see which people I am on the other group?"

 

Anyone see a pattern (or the lack of one?).

 

Wa ha ha ha ha!!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:01 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Land of the Gay

In a message dated 12/16/2003 6:36:51 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I'll try to come up with something interesting exclusively for you
guys. - - - Jeff

 

How about a contest to see which people I am on the other group?

Mike would probably like to kick me off some more.

 

 

 

 

 

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