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Now, now, don't get all Taco Bell on me, Mr. POTA! My post was just a joke because according to your polls, I was leader until whatsisface found more concrete evidence in the BENEATH script that Brent isn't a hamslammer. It's just a joke folks, just a poke at me finishing second!

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Not worth wasting time on Jake.

or is he just largely villianised and misunderstood like I am?  ;)

 

 

I'm on vacation, so I have plenty of time. 

 

So, in an effort to bring clarity to the Land of the Confused, lemme splain.  No, there is too much.  Lemme sum up. 

 

In the beginning there was POTA, on which there was much discussion and no moderation.  Because if the freedom we all enjoyed there were often colorfully worded flame wars. 

 

Some of the more delicate types, in order to save their virgin ears, or in this case...eyes, split off to form POTA DG, taking most of the membership with them, in order to have more Apes discussion and less infighting. 

 

This is when the reign of terror began.  Many loyal fans were either moderated out of existence or banned out right.  I tended not to side with the moderators.  And though goaded into it, I must admit I took the bait, hook, line and sinker, and good natured jabs soon turned vitriolic.  I must have touched a nerve somewhere, as they were let back on, and only I was banned, or is Patrick still banned too?

 

Whatever the case may be, words were exchanged, except all of mine were deleted.  And so the argument wouldn't be entirely one-sided, my side of the story was posted here, in the Land of the Free.  However, since I could not be kicked out for posts that never made it on the group, for the transgression of sticking up for myself by double posting, I was cast into the forbidden zone, aka, the Land of Free Apes Speech.  But I did not remain there.  I still occasionally visit DG, which is why I've been called a spy.  But I seldom bother to read the posts there, as much of it is useless drivel.  I go back now and then, quickly scanning and deleting, trying to glean the few items of interest it has to offer. 

 

I think that covers it, more or less.  Though I have little doubt the opposition will present its position, posthaste.

 

 

 

 

T

 

 

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:40 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Bitches

 

It is really boring, and I'm going to stop commenting on it right now.

 

That's good.  Mike should know all about bitches, since he's the biggest bitch of them all.  But there really is no need to take anyone's word for just how things went down. You can read the archives from these two groups and put it together for yourself.  You don't even have to read POTA DG because I duplicated all of Whitty's posts in my replies here, so anyone on this group that wasn't a member of that one could see for themselves exactly what was going on, and what I was responding to.  That was James' excuse for banning me.  Apparently double posing violates some bylaw that only he and Whitty know about.  But I also posted the email Whitty sent me privately where he admitted he was abusing his power as a moderator to block my relies to his public insults.  So that may have had something to do with it.  I admit I haven't contribute too much to the POTA discussion lately.  But I did have a lot of fun getting Micky's goat.  And being banned is proof, I got it.

 

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jake Begler

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:41 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Can't we all just get along?

I AM COMPLETELY LOST ON THIS SUBJECT>>>CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

veetus@... wrote:

    I sent DG a second e-mail that just detailed who won my contest and, for more info, people could link here. James wouldn't even let me post that. That's not about offending people, that's about power hunger. At least the announcement's here if anyone at the DG questions whether I followed through on the contest. But if I offend people I guess my rep's not worth a damn there anyway. (sniff!) You guys are the only friends I've got. Group hug! - - - Jeff

 

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:40 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Bitches

 

It is really boring, and I'm going to stop commenting on it right now.

 

That's good.  Mike should know all about bitches, since he's the biggest bitch of them all.  But there really is no need to take anyone's word for just how things went down. You can read the archives from these two groups and put it together for yourself.  You don't even have to read POTA DG because I duplicated all of Whitty's posts in my replies here, so anyone on this group that wasn't a member of that one could see for themselves exactly what was going on, and what I was responding to.  That was James' excuse for banning me.  Apparently double posing violates some bylaw that only he and Whitty know about.  But I also posted the email Whitty sent me privately where he admitted he was abusing his power as a moderator to block my relies to his public insults.  So that may have had something to do with it.  I admit I haven't contribute too much to the POTA discussion lately.  But I did have a lot of fun getting Micky's goat.  And being banned is proof, I got it.

 

 

 

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:13 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Bitches

In a message dated 12/18/2003 12:29:53 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

    I sent DG a second e-mail that just detailed who won my contest and, for more info, people could link here. James wouldn't even let me post that. That's not about offending people, that's about power hunger.

 

See, this is what I'm talking about.  Mike and James don't like anyone pissing on their turf, and that's DG.  It's little wonder that Whitty works for the government.  He was probably picked on alot, (you heard me!  I said alot!  And not a lot!  (that's another story)) as a child.  People like that always either become cops or get some kind of government job to feel important.  He's probably some low level official or computer wonk.  It's like the people with funny names becoming news anchors, so they can have their funny name broadcast for all the world to hear.  Both he and James are the self-proclaimed kings of POTAdom and they want everyone to know it.  But what's really pathetic is the sheep over at DG don't even give a rats ass.  They couldn't care less who gets banned, as long as it's not them, and their weak posts get through.  That and that no one posts anything that might (God forbid) offend someone.  POTA was a very controversial groundbreaking film.  But if Mike and James had been running the studio it would have never been made.  Thank Christ that Dick Zanuck couldn't buy a fucking clue. The movie would have never gotten off the ground had he realized that the orangutans represented people just like him, and James & Mike as well.

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:21 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Can't we all just get along?

In a message dated 12/18/2003 12:43:07 AM Central Standard Time, jakebegler@... writes:

I AM COMPLETELY LOST ON THIS SUBJECT>>>CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

 

If we could there would be only one POTA group.  I've tried many times, but that just makes Mike sarcastic.  So it's pointless to even try anymore.  We even made a seperate group for the bitch sessions.  It didn't work.  So in a way they're right.  This is the DG Bitch Group.

 

 

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Botches

In a message dated 12/18/2003 1:24:41 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Er, ahem, some the sheep are here, too. Exnay on the sheepbay.

 

I only say sheep because they followed James and Mike over to DG, and are happy to let them carry on with their machinations just to stay in DG.  If you remember I was one of them.  I didn't believe they were being unfair, until I saw it for myself.  What they should do is form another group.  One with a benign ruler instead of despots who use the position for their own purposes.  One that would be moderated, but fair.  That would be revolutionary! 

 

 

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From: LordTZer0@...

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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:48 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] We CAN all get along!

In a message dated 12/18/2003 1:41:33 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Has everyone heard of the new DVD coming out in February?

 

I'm looking forward to the audio commentary.

That's about the only thing that's new on it.

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] We CAN all get along!

In a message dated 12/18/2003 1:41:33 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  So far the DG has had 12,015 messages. We've had 27,527. We can return to our old glory if we're willing to participate.

 

I'd love to talk Apes.  There just hasn't been a lot to talk since the new movie that hasn't been discussed before.  If you see some of the posts on DG that's pretty obvious.  Not that that stinkburger of new movie couldn't be salvaged.  But who's going to put money up for it?

 

 

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  There's two audio commentaries. One is a new one by Jerry Goldsmith, and the other one is, I think, archived interviews with Roddy, Kim Hunter, Richard Zanuck and Natalie Trundy. An odd combination. I think they are outtakes from interviews they did for the "Behind the POTA" doc. But if so, why don't they include Heston, Linda Harrison, etc.?
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How much $$$ did Independence Day make? No sequel there, I'm not comparing the two movies, but I would be surprised to see a sequel to the POTA 2001-But if there is one they really need to get back to the true apes.

Tony

In a message dated 12/18/2003 12:23:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Fox is going to do a sequel. It made $350 million worldwide plus video, cable, etc. It proved there's an audience, and there's no way the studio didn't hear that people were disappointed. Even a third grader can figure out if you give people a movie they like, you can double what the first one made. Not that Fox is interested in the money or anything. For them it's the art. - - - Jeff

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In a message dated 12/18/2003 12:05:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

There's two audio commentaries. One is a new one by Jerry Goldsmith, and the other one is, I think, archived interviews with Roddy, Kim Hunter, Richard Zanuck and Natalie Trundy. An odd combination. I think they are outtakes from interviews they did for the "Behind the POTA" doc. But if so, why don't they include Heston, Linda Harrison, etc.?
There's also going to be Roddy home movies. Those are new. But most of it will be new to those who don't have the "Behind the POTA" 2-disc special edition. - - - Jeff
 

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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:22 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] We CAN all get along with Fox!

How much $$$ did Independence Day make? No sequel there, I'm not comparing the two movies, but I would be surprised to see a sequel to the POTA 2001-But if there is one they really need to get back to the true apes.

Tony

In a message dated 12/18/2003 12:23:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Fox is going to do a sequel. It made $350 million worldwide plus video, cable, etc. It proved there's an audience, and there's no way the studio didn't hear that people were disappointed. Even a third grader can figure out if you give people a movie they like, you can double what the first one made. Not that Fox is interested in the money or anything. For them it's the art. - - - Jeff

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Personally I'm not to excited about this new upcoming DVD, Yes I'll purchase it for sure. To bad they didn't do a commentary with Heston way back in the days when Heston was capable of one. Also No deleted scenes-to bad. The mego toy spot sounds cool. Actually I'm looking more to battle Uncut & the Toons then I am this new DVD.

Tony

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> I'm not even going to bother reading this so I can't comment other

than to say you will get a different story from nearly everyone
involved.

*** What kinda upside down world is it when somebody who co-moderates
a DISCUSSION board will go out of his way to declare that he is "not
even going to bother reading this" (T's post), yet IS willing to
start yakking about it? It's not as if T's posts are as notoriously
long as some of my scale-tippers, so it wouldn't take THAT much time
to "bother reading" it. Refusing to read it makes you WILFULLY
IGNORANT: is THAT the kinda person who has any business moderating
ANY discussion? When Jerry Falwell goes out of his way to condemn a
movie ("THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST") which he REFUSES to see,
well, he must be one of Mike's heroes and role-models.

> Bottom line is if you want to discuss Planet of the Apes, go to the

POTADG (like T told you recently - that point isn't even debatable).
The only two people on this group who don't post at the POTADG are
Patrick and T. Patrick actually comes up with some interesting stuff
sometimes (albeit requiring a degree and a code book to understand -
which is how he likes it), but I really can't remember the last time
T made a comment that was worth reading.

*** Or, if you want to discuss POTA, then EITHER stick around here
and post your on-topic ideas (etc), OR go over to the POTADG and post
away to your heart's content -- until you post something
that "offends" the sensibilities of one of its co-moderators, and you
wind up getting either censored or banned from it. That HAS happened
over at the DG, but has NEVER happened here.
Incidentally, the only "code book" you need to understand some of my
past postings here (involving the ANSA ships' clocks, Time Dilation,
etc) is a basic dictionary -- and the only "degree" you might need is
a high school diploma, IF (that is) you took a basic Physics course
in high school. Besides, one of the reasons my posts on those topics
tended to be longish was that I endeavored to EXPLAIN (in exhaustive
detail) what I was theorizing about, thereby cutting out any need to
go to a dictionary or Physics textbook. And what did I get for all my
troubles? Unending guff from Michael & James, who took offense at me
for concocting my own POTA scenario, inventing a "mothership" (etc)
to "unflub" some of the more blatant mistakes, etc etc.

> I stay on this group for the 1% of posts that are actually worth

reading, but if you do a statistical analysis you will find that of
the very few posts there are, a very small percentage have anything
at all to do with POTA. A very HIGH percentage is bitching, and while
MANY members of this group have asked for this to cease, it just
keeps going.

*** A "very HIGH percentage is bitching" -- that's right... because
Michael, despite having gone to all the trouble of setting up that
rival DG with James, does ALL his bitching over here, where he KNOWS
he won't be "moderated" away to the Forbidden Zone of banishment or
censorship. If any "bitching" still keeps going, it's primarily
because he himself posts here time and time again, mostly to bitch
about us for not agreeing with him that his DG group is God's gift to
POTAdom.

> So the formula is to join the POTADG, push the limits over there,

get moderated or kicked out or just asked to calm down, come back to
this group and bitch about the POTADG (I wonder why you don't
complain about the POTADG on Matt's Film Emporium group?) etc.

*** Regarding Matt's "FILM EMPORIUM" group, I don't complain about
the DG there because the DG has NOTHING to do with his site. His is a
discussion site for ALL films, and he was up-front in his "join" page
asking for no "flame" postings, etc.
The reason I feel free to speak my mind about the DG at this site is
because POTA (the movie) is largely about Censorship and Banishment.
When the President of the Assembly orders "Bright Eyes" to be quiet
and then orders a bailiff to "Gag the animal!", that represents the
all-powerful State using its "authority" to stifle any speech that
represents a threat to the status quo. LordT compared the DG's
moderators to the Orangutans recently... and it's an apt comparison.
James & Michael are JUST the sort of people who are not above
stifling the free speech of others -- all you have to do is look at
the words "kicked out" in the paragraph above: it's something that
can and will happen to you if you dare to step OVER the limits that
they have set up.
You ain't never gonna get kicked outta THIS group, though. That, you
can rest assured of.

>
> It is really boring, and I'm going to stop commenting on it right

now.

*** C'mon, Mike, you KNOW that you're not gonna stop commenting on
all this. All it takes is one peep from anybody here critical of
you/James/the DG, and you're off and running with another heapin'
helping of vitriol. Case in point: why is it that "LordTZero"
becomes "LortTFagg0" in the "Original Message" line below? Isn't that
just the sort of thing that you & James would consider ban-worthy,
the intentional insult? No wonder we "can't all just get along".

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordT <mailto:LordTFagg0@A...> Fagg0@A... [LordT Fagg
> <mailto:Fagg0@A...> 0@...]
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:43 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Land of the Confused
>
>
>
> Not worth wasting time on Jake.
> or is he just largely villianised and misunderstood like I am? ;)
>
>
> I'm on vacation, so I have plenty of time.
>
> So, in an effort to bring clarity to the Land of the Confused,

lemme splain. No, there is too much. Lemme sum up.

>
> In the beginning there was POTA, on which there was much discussion

and no moderation. Because if the freedom we all enjoyed there were
often colorfully worded flame wars.

>
> Some of the more delicate types, in order to save their virgin

ears, or in this case...eyes, split off to form POTA DG, taking most
of the membership with them, in order to have more Apes discussion
and less infighting.

>
> This is when the reign of terror began. Many loyal fans were either

moderated out of existence or banned out right. I tended not to side
with the moderators. And though goaded into it, I must admit I took
the bait, hook, line and sinker, and good natured jabs soon turned
vitriolic. I must have touched a nerve somewhere, as they were let
back on, and only I was banned, or is Patrick still banned too?

>
> Whatever the case may be, words were exchanged, except all of mine

were deleted. And so the argument wouldn't be entirely one-sided, my
side of the story was posted here, in the Land of the Free. However,
since I could not be kicked out for posts that never made it on the
group, for the transgression of sticking up for myself by double
posting, I was cast into the forbidden zone, aka, the Land of Free
Apes Speech. But I did not remain there. I still occasionally visit
DG, which is why I've been called a spy. But I seldom bother to read
the posts there, as much of it is useless drivel. I go back now and
then, quickly scanning and deleting, trying to glean the few items of
interest it has to offer.

>
> I think that covers it, more or less. Though I have little doubt

the opposition will present its position, posthaste.

>
> T

*** "... or is Patrick still banned too?"

Let me clarify this.

The POTADG was created specifically so that James and Michael could
wield control over all postings at a POTA site -- a power they wanted
to have over here at THIS site, but didn't have (thank goodness).
They both had at least one thing in common: they HATE me with a
passion -- so much so that James was not above attempting to frame me
by posting spam to this and to other sites, pretending to be me --
yet somebody (I think it was Cougar) traced those spam messages to
James' server. The members of their DG either don't know about this
chicanery, or they DO know about it and don't give a shit. And if the
latter is the case, then I have nothing but contempt for their easy
dismissal of James' pathetic attempt at slander -- not just because I
was the target of it, but if he had done it against anyone else it
would be equally repugnant to me.
Michael told me specifically, in private e-mails, that I was not
welcome at the DG... and, considering that it was created to be a
place where I was not welcome to begin with, I guess you could say
that I was "banned" from it. However, I never attempted to join it,
so I never gave them the opportunity to refuse me membership in their
group, or to later censor and ban me afterwards.
Since then, though, Michael -- due to his awareness, no doubt, that
their policies over there appear highly fascist -- HAS extended
invitations to me to join that group. Even though that group was
meant to be a place where I would never be welcome. Hmmm... what to
do?
I declined to join it. After all, would a black man willingly move
into a neighborhood where he KNOWS he'll be lynched eventually? Even
if the Grand Wizard of the KKK who lords it over the neighborhood
publicly extends a "welcoming" hand, while privately hoping that the
nigger keeps out of the neighborhood altogether and away from his
lily white daughter... who has heard that those colored folk are
rumored to be, ahem, bigger in the trousers?

If this doesn't spark some discussion here, heh heh, then somethin'
just ain't right.

Patrick

It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer" (as somebody
recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous. But Jeff
didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay... and opened
it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to state a case
either for or against the idea. But how is it that putting forth the
IDEA of Brent MAYBE being gay equivalent to "firing a machine gun
into a crowd"? Look up the word "hyperbole" in the dictionary, and
you'll find Mike's picture. Or, better yet, the word "hypercritical".

Jeff, you go right on ahead and keep on doin' what you're doin'.
Keep 'em flying... the flags of discontent. And remember: don't trust
anybody over 30.

I've got another Brent-related quiz question. When he looks around at
the Queensboro Plaza subway station, he says, "I lived here... worked
here... What happened? What could've happened?"

Does this mean what it seems he is saying? Did Brent LIVE and WORK at
the Queensboro Plaza subway station? Or, to grant him a bit of
generalizing, did he live and work in the borough of Queens? Or did
he live and work in New York City (i.e. in one of the other 5
boroughs)? If he DID work at the subway station (AND live there!),
then how is it that ANSA overlooked this employment history on his
application for Astronaut? Or, did ANSA hiring personnel
think: "Hmmm... he has lived and worked in a subway station... now
THAT'S the kinda guy who has the "right stuff" to be an astronaut!"

I'm verklempt! Discuss amongst yourselves.

Patrick

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Hurt people, my ass. I tried to do an interesting contest and put
up a prize. More than most people do. You old ladies can knit
together for all I care. I'm surprised this is coming from Ape fans.
I'd expect them to be more open-minded than this. Whatever. I'm
through trying. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1785
>
>
> > Correct, Dan.
> >
> > Like I said, it didn't bother me but others didn't like it.
> >
> > But certain people on this group don't listen to feedback unless
it suits what they want....they kinda "moderate" out anything they
don't wanna hear....like an ostrich, burying their heads in the
sand....
> >
> > That's precisely why this group has become a barren wasteland,
filled with off-topic posts and bickering.
> >
> > The offenders know the effect of their actions but they won't
adapt to allow others THEIR rights - then they hide behind talk about
how free THIS group is. But they don't get it - freedom is not about
ignoring everyone else to the point where they leave the group, it is
about assimilating feedback and making a place where everyone can BE
free, not oppressed and insulted but free to say what makes them
uncomfortable.
> >
> > What Jeff did had the same effect as if he had fired a machine
gun into a crowd. Now, instead of realising he has hurt people
(albeit unintentionally I am sure), he wants to drag it on in this
group. Instead of realising the machine gun had to go, he wants to
talk about his RIGHTS to fire a machine gun into a crowd because he
is FREE. I expected more from him.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <mystic4ever@s...> wrote:
> > > Yeah, that's more than enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not
everyone likes that. >
> > > Dan

You may be surprised Patrick but I agree here.

I thought it was an interesting topic and Jeff has a valid point - maybe
there is a point there that Dehn was trying to make.

Fact is, James and Helen got complaints (I didn't receive any)about the
thread. One of these complaints was that it was a smart ass topic and
seemed demeaning and would lead to people treating homosexuals flippantly
(eg. commenting on "hamslammers" - albeit in a joking manner, there aren't
too many gays laughing Dan). I thought that was way over the top, but I was
wrong because Dan did make reference to "Hamslammers" that he never would
have otherwise!

Whether Jeff intended to open fire on a crowd, it happened. he knows the
rules at the DG and he is free to leave if he don't like 'em.

I think the problem was really that Jeff wasn't involved in the process and
wasn't informed he was being moderated, and I feel he is owed an apology for
that, and it could have been handled better.

Patrick, nobody expects you to say nice things about me (or to be a man and
admit when you are wrong), and I know you and T and Jeff love these little
dramas (don't you guys have sexual partners and families for that....I guess
not!), but you are destroying this group by making it the "we hate the
POTADG" group. I wonder why you all feel it is appropriate to whine about
the POTADG here, but not in Matt's group? You need to ask yourselves that
question. It seems you 3 just need more attention, right? People on this
group have asked and begged you not to do so, but on you go and hide behind
your "freedom" and "rights" - well you are free to have the right to listen
to others too...why don't you try that some time? I never pretend to be
perfect, but I do try to learn from mistakes and make a better world.

Grow up, build a bridge, get over it.

Michael

"The only thing worse than being spoken about, is NOT being spoken about."

Monty Python skit portraying Oscar Wilde.




<patriciamichelletitbum@y...> wrote:
It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer" (as somebody
recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous. But Jeff
didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay... and opened
it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to state a case
either for or against the idea.

Yeah - how funny is that! We got to almost half your messages in ONE
YEAR!!! It took you guys how long?

And when we say we are doing something, we DO it! We don't just crap on
endlessly saying why we DON'T do it!

And by the way, I think 90% of your messages are flame wars or complaints
about the POTADG....so if it is a war or a competition, you lose!

Hey Jeff, why don't you organise to get Natalie Trundy to "talk to the
group" again. That was a highlight!

Or get Eric Greene, or Bill Blake.

Or...maybe just give us reasons why you know these guys so well but you
can't motivate them to log on and speak to us.

Wa ha ha ha ha ha!!!!! You guys crack me up - particularly when you are
trying to get me to crack up!

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> So far the DG has had 12,015 messages. We've had 27,527. We can return
to our old glory if we're willing to participate. Has everyone heard of the
new DVD coming out in February? What are you most looking forward to? What
are you disappointed isn't on it? - - - Jeff

You know what the problem is, Michael? NOBODY can take a joke any
more these days. Talk about building mountains out of mole-
hills...again!!! Jeff made it crystal clear in several posts that I
was the leader in his Brent/gay contest until the winner found a
reference in a BENEATH script that was stronger evidence of Brent
being non-gay. Great, I agree, that surpasses my entry. My post
about "that's enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone likes that"
was posted AFTER some people complained about the contest. I thought
Jeff's contest was witty (no pun intended, Michael), I wasn't
offended, and as the wearer of the yellow jersey for most of the
contest race (a little Tour De France humour there, I hope no
bicyclists get offended) I liked it even more! If Jeff's contest
involved sheep or t-shirts, because of the complaintant's post, my
follow-up would have been "that's enough of the sheep talk, Jeff"
or "that's enough of the t-shirt talk, Jeff"- bottom line, my post
was just a smart-ass joke about me having the lead in the contest for
so long and then losing. As I explained in my reply to Jeff's post!
Now, as far as h-slammer goes, I have Howard Stern tapes where he
makes that reference to gays, that's where I first heard the term.
IT'S A JOKE!! From now on so I don't offend anyone and step on over-
sensitive toes, I will try to be as politically correct as possible.
So let me summarize:
1) I was not offended by Jeff's contest
2) I have a sense of humour and unintenionally touched a nerve with
what was intended as a joke. I'm on the phone right now with Howard
Stern's people to tell him how he got me in trouble. As soon as Baba
Booey puts me through, I will force Howard to not make the remark
again. =)

Oops! I joked again! I better stop this before there's crosses
burning in my drive way.

Dan






--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> You may be surprised Patrick but I agree here.
>
> I thought it was an interesting topic and Jeff has a valid point -

maybe

> there is a point there that Dehn was trying to make.
>
> Fact is, James and Helen got complaints (I didn't receive any)about

the

> thread. One of these complaints was that it was a smart ass topic

and

> seemed demeaning and would lead to people treating homosexuals

flippantly

> (eg. commenting on "hamslammers" - albeit in a joking manner,

there aren't

> too many gays laughing Dan). I thought that was way over the top,

but I was

> wrong because Dan did make reference to "Hamslammers" that he never

would

> have otherwise!
>
> Whether Jeff intended to open fire on a crowd, it happened. he

knows the

> rules at the DG and he is free to leave if he don't like 'em.
>
> I think the problem was really that Jeff wasn't involved in the

process and

> wasn't informed he was being moderated, and I feel he is owed an

apology for

> that, and it could have been handled better.
>
> Patrick, nobody expects you to say nice things about me (or to be a

man and

> admit when you are wrong), and I know you and T and Jeff love these

little

> dramas (don't you guys have sexual partners and families for

that....I guess

> not!), but you are destroying this group by making it the "we hate

the

> POTADG" group. I wonder why you all feel it is appropriate to

whine about

> the POTADG here, but not in Matt's group? You need to ask

yourselves that

> question. It seems you 3 just need more attention, right? People

on this

> group have asked and begged you not to do so, but on you go and

hide behind

> your "freedom" and "rights" - well you are free to have the right

to listen

> to others too...why don't you try that some time? I never pretend

to be

> perfect, but I do try to learn from mistakes and make a better

world.

>
> Grow up, build a bridge, get over it.
>
> Michael
>
> "The only thing worse than being spoken about, is NOT being spoken

about."

>
> Monty Python skit portraying Oscar Wilde.
>
>
>
>
> <patriciamichelletitbum@y...> wrote:
> It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer" (as somebody
> recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous. But Jeff
> didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay... and opened
> it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to state a case
> either for or against the idea.
>
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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Apes DVD

In a message dated 12/18/03 10:37:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, kidro85@... writes:

Personally I'm not to excited about this new upcoming DVD, Yes I'll purchase it for sure. To bad they didn't do a commentary with Heston way back in the days when Heston was capable of one. Also No deleted scenes-to bad. The mego toy spot sounds cool. Actually I'm looking more to battle Uncut & the Toons then I am this new DVD.

Tony

If, like me, you had a high definition 16X9 TV you would.  PLANET will look, and sound, better than it ever has -- which often hasn't been that good.

-- Rory

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Thanks, Patrick. I think Brent was generalizing about living and working
in New York. He recognized it from the subway. Good thing he didn't say, "I
went to bathhouses here". - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:49 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A new Brent-related question...


> It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer" (as somebody
> recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous. But Jeff
> didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay... and opened
> it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to state a case
> either for or against the idea. But how is it that putting forth the
> IDEA of Brent MAYBE being gay equivalent to "firing a machine gun
> into a crowd"? Look up the word "hyperbole" in the dictionary, and
> you'll find Mike's picture. Or, better yet, the word "hypercritical".
>
> Jeff, you go right on ahead and keep on doin' what you're doin'.
> Keep 'em flying... the flags of discontent. And remember: don't trust
> anybody over 30.
>
> I've got another Brent-related quiz question. When he looks around at
> the Queensboro Plaza subway station, he says, "I lived here... worked
> here... What happened? What could've happened?"
>
> Does this mean what it seems he is saying? Did Brent LIVE and WORK at
> the Queensboro Plaza subway station? Or, to grant him a bit of
> generalizing, did he live and work in the borough of Queens? Or did
> he live and work in New York City (i.e. in one of the other 5
> boroughs)? If he DID work at the subway station (AND live there!),
> then how is it that ANSA overlooked this employment history on his
> application for Astronaut? Or, did ANSA hiring personnel
> think: "Hmmm... he has lived and worked in a subway station... now
> THAT'S the kinda guy who has the "right stuff" to be an astronaut!"
>
> I'm verklempt! Discuss amongst yourselves.
>
> Patrick
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Hurt people, my ass. I tried to do an interesting contest and put
> up a prize. More than most people do. You old ladies can knit
> together for all I care. I'm surprised this is coming from Ape fans.
> I'd expect them to be more open-minded than this. Whatever. I'm
> through trying. - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1785
> >
> >
> > > Correct, Dan.
> > >
> > > Like I said, it didn't bother me but others didn't like it.
> > >
> > > But certain people on this group don't listen to feedback unless
> it suits what they want....they kinda "moderate" out anything they
> don't wanna hear....like an ostrich, burying their heads in the
> sand....
> > >
> > > That's precisely why this group has become a barren wasteland,
> filled with off-topic posts and bickering.
> > >
> > > The offenders know the effect of their actions but they won't
> adapt to allow others THEIR rights - then they hide behind talk about
> how free THIS group is. But they don't get it - freedom is not about
> ignoring everyone else to the point where they leave the group, it is
> about assimilating feedback and making a place where everyone can BE
> free, not oppressed and insulted but free to say what makes them
> uncomfortable.
> > >
> > > What Jeff did had the same effect as if he had fired a machine
> gun into a crowd. Now, instead of realising he has hurt people
> (albeit unintentionally I am sure), he wants to drag it on in this
> group. Instead of realising the machine gun had to go, he wants to
> talk about his RIGHTS to fire a machine gun into a crowd because he
> is FREE. I expected more from him.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <mystic4ever@s...> wrote:
> > > > Yeah, that's more than enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not
> everyone likes that. >
> > > > Dan
>
>
>
>
>
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Like Patrick said, this has nothing to do with Matt's group. I personally
do not engage in DG bashing here, except when it's justified. Reread the
posts if your memory is clouded. Usually it's you, Patrick and T(NT). I
think more than anyone I try to bring "Apes" topics up here, but few
respond. Growing up is something we ca ALL work on. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <Pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:21 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] I agree Patrick.


> You may be surprised Patrick but I agree here.
>
> I thought it was an interesting topic and Jeff has a valid point - maybe
> there is a point there that Dehn was trying to make.
>
> Fact is, James and Helen got complaints (I didn't receive any)about the
> thread. One of these complaints was that it was a smart ass topic and
> seemed demeaning and would lead to people treating homosexuals flippantly
> (eg. commenting on "hamslammers" - albeit in a joking manner, there
aren't
> too many gays laughing Dan). I thought that was way over the top, but I
was
> wrong because Dan did make reference to "Hamslammers" that he never would
> have otherwise!
>
> Whether Jeff intended to open fire on a crowd, it happened. he knows the
> rules at the DG and he is free to leave if he don't like 'em.
>
> I think the problem was really that Jeff wasn't involved in the process
and
> wasn't informed he was being moderated, and I feel he is owed an apology
for
> that, and it could have been handled better.
>
> Patrick, nobody expects you to say nice things about me (or to be a man
and
> admit when you are wrong), and I know you and T and Jeff love these little
> dramas (don't you guys have sexual partners and families for that....I
guess
> not!), but you are destroying this group by making it the "we hate the
> POTADG" group. I wonder why you all feel it is appropriate to whine about
> the POTADG here, but not in Matt's group? You need to ask yourselves that
> question. It seems you 3 just need more attention, right? People on this
> group have asked and begged you not to do so, but on you go and hide
behind
> your "freedom" and "rights" - well you are free to have the right to
listen
> to others too...why don't you try that some time? I never pretend to be
> perfect, but I do try to learn from mistakes and make a better world.
>
> Grow up, build a bridge, get over it.
>
> Michael
>
> "The only thing worse than being spoken about, is NOT being spoken about."
>
> Monty Python skit portraying Oscar Wilde.
>
>
>
>
> <patriciamichelletitbum@y...> wrote:
> It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer" (as somebody
> recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous. But Jeff
> didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay... and opened
> it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to state a case
> either for or against the idea.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
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>
>
>
>
>

Thanks for clearing that up, Dan. If topics are going to be determined by
whether people will make a joke about them, or that people MIGHT get
offended, then why talk POTA? There's evolution, man destroying himself,
apes ruling over men. Lots to be offended about. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Dan talks...


> You know what the problem is, Michael? NOBODY can take a joke any
> more these days. Talk about building mountains out of mole-
> hills...again!!! Jeff made it crystal clear in several posts that I
> was the leader in his Brent/gay contest until the winner found a
> reference in a BENEATH script that was stronger evidence of Brent
> being non-gay. Great, I agree, that surpasses my entry. My post
> about "that's enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone likes that"
> was posted AFTER some people complained about the contest. I thought
> Jeff's contest was witty (no pun intended, Michael), I wasn't
> offended, and as the wearer of the yellow jersey for most of the
> contest race (a little Tour De France humour there, I hope no
> bicyclists get offended) I liked it even more! If Jeff's contest
> involved sheep or t-shirts, because of the complaintant's post, my
> follow-up would have been "that's enough of the sheep talk, Jeff"
> or "that's enough of the t-shirt talk, Jeff"- bottom line, my post
> was just a smart-ass joke about me having the lead in the contest for
> so long and then losing. As I explained in my reply to Jeff's post!
> Now, as far as h-slammer goes, I have Howard Stern tapes where he
> makes that reference to gays, that's where I first heard the term.
> IT'S A JOKE!! From now on so I don't offend anyone and step on over-
> sensitive toes, I will try to be as politically correct as possible.
> So let me summarize:
> 1) I was not offended by Jeff's contest
> 2) I have a sense of humour and unintenionally touched a nerve with
> what was intended as a joke. I'm on the phone right now with Howard
> Stern's people to tell him how he got me in trouble. As soon as Baba
> Booey puts me through, I will force Howard to not make the remark
> again. =)
>
> Oops! I joked again! I better stop this before there's crosses
> burning in my drive way.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> wrote:
> > You may be surprised Patrick but I agree here.
> >
> > I thought it was an interesting topic and Jeff has a valid point -
> maybe
> > there is a point there that Dehn was trying to make.
> >
> > Fact is, James and Helen got complaints (I didn't receive any)about
> the
> > thread. One of these complaints was that it was a smart ass topic
> and
> > seemed demeaning and would lead to people treating homosexuals
> flippantly
> > (eg. commenting on "hamslammers" - albeit in a joking manner,
> there aren't
> > too many gays laughing Dan). I thought that was way over the top,
> but I was
> > wrong because Dan did make reference to "Hamslammers" that he never
> would
> > have otherwise!
> >
> > Whether Jeff intended to open fire on a crowd, it happened. he
> knows the
> > rules at the DG and he is free to leave if he don't like 'em.
> >
> > I think the problem was really that Jeff wasn't involved in the
> process and
> > wasn't informed he was being moderated, and I feel he is owed an
> apology for
> > that, and it could have been handled better.
> >
> > Patrick, nobody expects you to say nice things about me (or to be a
> man and
> > admit when you are wrong), and I know you and T and Jeff love these
> little
> > dramas (don't you guys have sexual partners and families for
> that....I guess
> > not!), but you are destroying this group by making it the "we hate
> the
> > POTADG" group. I wonder why you all feel it is appropriate to
> whine about
> > the POTADG here, but not in Matt's group? You need to ask
> yourselves that
> > question. It seems you 3 just need more attention, right? People
> on this
> > group have asked and begged you not to do so, but on you go and
> hide behind
> > your "freedom" and "rights" - well you are free to have the right
> to listen
> > to others too...why don't you try that some time? I never pretend
> to be
> > perfect, but I do try to learn from mistakes and make a better
> world.
> >
> > Grow up, build a bridge, get over it.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > "The only thing worse than being spoken about, is NOT being spoken
> about."
> >
> > Monty Python skit portraying Oscar Wilde.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <patriciamichelletitbum@y...> wrote:
> > It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer" (as somebody
> > recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous. But Jeff
> > didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay... and opened
> > it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to state a case
> > either for or against the idea.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:13 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] I agree Patrick.

In a message dated 12/18/2003 6:26:41 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

One of these complaints was that it was a smart ass topic and
seemed demeaning and would lead to people treating homosexuals flippantly

 

I'd rather hang out over here with the smartasses then be king of the dumbasses.  I swear that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.  What a bunch of third-graders. Ummmm...Johnny said a rude word!  I'm going to tell teacher!  I'm not saying you have to use adult language to discuss things as an adult, but please.  Even homosexuals treat each other flippantly.  Face it!  Fags are Funny!  And they know it!  Even Richard Simmons wouldn't have cried and raised as big a fuss as some of the namby pambys over there.  If there's one thing I DON'T miss about the New World Order over there is here you can actually discuss this shit man-to-man.  And if someone's hackles get bent out of shape, tough titty.  Defend your position and throw every four letter word in the book at them!  This isn't the United Nations!  But over there, one toe over the line and it's an international incident!

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'Pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:48 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Dan Talks

Oh!  Howard Stern said it!  Then I'm sure no homosexual in the world would be offended by that word!

 

Sorry Dan!

 

Can you find out if he calls anyone a "nigger"?  I've been dying to justify using that word!  Make sure he's just kidding though, coz that justifies it, right?

 

Michael

 --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...> wrote:
> You know what the problem is, Michael?  NOBODY can take a joke any
> more these days.  Talk about building mountains out of mole-
> hills...again!!!  Jeff made it crystal clear in several posts that I
> was the leader in his Brent/gay contest until the winner found a
> reference in a BENEATH script that was stronger evidence of Brent
> being non-gay.  Great, I agree, that surpasses my entry.  My post
> about "that's enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone likes that"
> was posted AFTER some people complained about the contest.  I thought
> Jeff's contest was witty (no pun intended, Michael), I wasn't
> offended, and as the wearer of the yellow jersey for most of the
> contest race (a little Tour De France humour there, I hope no
> bicyclists get offended) I liked it even more!   If Jeff's contest
> involved sheep or t-shirts, because of the complaintant's post, my
> follow-up would have been "that's enough of the sheep talk, Jeff"
> or "that's enough of the t-shirt talk, Jeff"- bottom line, my post
> was just a smart-ass joke about me having the lead in the contest for
> so long and then losing.  As I explained in my reply to Jeff's post! 
> Now, as far as h-slammer goes, I have Howard Stern tapes where he
> makes that reference to gays, that's where I first heard the term. 
> IT'S A JOKE!!  From now on so I don't offend anyone and step on over-
> sensitive toes, I will try to be as politically correct as possible.
> So let me summarize:
> 1) I was not offended by Jeff's contest
> 2) I have a sense of humour and unintenionally touched a nerve with
> what was intended as a joke.  I'm on the phone right now with Howard
> Stern's people to tell him how he got me in trouble.  As soon as Baba
> Booey puts me through, I will force Howard to not make the remark
> again.   =)
>
> Oops!  I joked again!  I better stop this before there's crosses
> burning in my drive way.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> wrote:
> > You may be surprised Patrick but I agree here.
> >
> > I thought it was an interesting topic and Jeff has a valid point -
> maybe
> > there is a point there that Dehn was trying to make.
> >
> > Fact is, James and Helen got complaints (I didn't receive any)about
> the
> > thread.  One of these complaints was that it was a smart ass topic
> and
> > seemed demeaning and would lead to people treating homosexuals
> flippantly
> > (eg.  commenting on "hamslammers" - albeit in a joking manner,
> there aren't
> > too many gays laughing Dan).  I thought that was way over the top,
> but I was
> > wrong because Dan did make reference to "Hamslammers" that he never
> would
> > have otherwise!
> >
> > Whether Jeff intended to open fire on a crowd, it happened.  he
> knows the
> > rules at the DG and he is free to leave if he don't like 'em.
> >
> > I think the problem was really that Jeff wasn't involved in the
> process and
> > wasn't informed he was being moderated, and I feel he is owed an
> apology for
> > that, and it could have been handled better.
> >
> > Patrick, nobody expects you to say nice things about me (or to be a
> man and
> > admit when you are wrong), and I know you and T and Jeff love these
> little
> > dramas (don't you guys have sexual partners and families for
> that....I guess
> > not!), but you are destroying this group by making it the "we hate
> the
> > POTADG" group.  I wonder why you all feel it is appropriate to
> whine about
> > the POTADG here, but not in Matt's group?  You need to ask
> yourselves that
> > question.  It seems you 3 just need more attention, right?  People
> on this
> > group have asked and begged you not to do so, but on you go and
> hide behind
> > your "freedom" and "rights" - well you are free to have the right
> to listen
> > to others too...why don't you try that some time?  I never pretend
> to be
> > perfect, but I do try to learn from mistakes and make a better
> world.
> >
> > Grow up, build a bridge, get over it.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > "The only thing worse than being spoken about, is NOT being spoken
> about."
> >
> > Monty Python skit portraying Oscar Wilde.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <patriciamichelletitbum@y...> wrote:
> > It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer" (as somebody
> > recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous. But Jeff
> > didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay... and opened
> > it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to state a case
> > either for or against the idea.
> > other readers are aware of these restrictions.

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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:51 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Battle Uncut Subtitles

Did Hunter ever have any luck removing the subtitles from Battle Uncut? Or is that still in the works?

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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:32 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] I agree Patrick.

 

  Take a friggin' look at the TV. "Queer Eye For the Straight Guy". "Will and Grace". The key to acceptance is humor, not sanctimony. - - - Jeff

 

Damn straight! (no offense)  but it's when you can kid each other without taking offense that you feel accepted.  But I guess Mike would have to have friends to know that.  But seriously, it amazes me that people intelligent enough to actually "get" POTA still can't seem to learn it's most valuable lessons.  Though I suspect some still only get it on a Zanuck level.

 

 

 

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Give me a fucking break, Michael. I didn't think Lord T's comment
about you "starting fires" was accurate, but maybe he's right about
you. Are you calling me a racist, now?? I sure wish in my personal
and professional life I could get away with blowing something
insignificant and innocent into an international incident. If anyone
was offended by my h-slammer remark, I really, really feel sorry for
them.
Assuming the people who can't take or recognize a joke watch sitcoms,
they must also know that not every joke on these shows is funny, but
they're marketed as jokes anyways because of the laugh-track that
follows. I think that's what I need- the technology to have a laugh-
track added to my e-mails that are jokes that are synchronized
precisely to go off as soon as the message is read. This way
everyone will realize it's a joke. Maybe I can get this working
before the holidays and make it the best damn Christmas since Bing
Crosby tap danced with Danny Fucking Kay!!

Dan





--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Oh! Howard Stern said it! Then I'm sure no homosexual in the

world would

> be offended by that word!
>
> Sorry Dan!
>
> Can you find out if he calls anyone a "nigger"? I've been dying to

justify

> using that word! Make sure he's just kidding though, coz that

justifies it,

> right?
>
> Michael
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com> , "erika4pug" <

> mystic4ever@s <mailto:mystic4ever@s> ...> wrote:
> > You know what the problem is, Michael? NOBODY can take a joke

any

> > more these days. Talk about building mountains out of mole-
> > hills...again!!! Jeff made it crystal clear in several posts

that I

> > was the leader in his Brent/gay contest until the winner found a
> > reference in a BENEATH script that was stronger evidence of Brent
> > being non-gay. Great, I agree, that surpasses my entry. My post
> > about "that's enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone likes

that"

> > was posted AFTER some people complained about the contest. I

thought

> > Jeff's contest was witty (no pun intended, Michael), I wasn't
> > offended, and as the wearer of the yellow jersey for most of the
> > contest race (a little Tour De France humour there, I hope no
> > bicyclists get offended) I liked it even more! If Jeff's

contest

> > involved sheep or t-shirts, because of the complaintant's post,

my

> > follow-up would have been "that's enough of the sheep talk, Jeff"
> > or "that's enough of the t-shirt talk, Jeff"- bottom line, my

post

> > was just a smart-ass joke about me having the lead in the contest

for

> > so long and then losing. As I explained in my reply to Jeff's

post!

> > Now, as far as h-slammer goes, I have Howard Stern tapes where he
> > makes that reference to gays, that's where I first heard the

term.

> > IT'S A JOKE!! From now on so I don't offend anyone and step on

over-

> > sensitive toes, I will try to be as politically correct as

possible.

> > So let me summarize:
> > 1) I was not offended by Jeff's contest
> > 2) I have a sense of humour and unintenionally touched a nerve

with

> > what was intended as a joke. I'm on the phone right now with

Howard

> > Stern's people to tell him how he got me in trouble. As soon as

Baba

> > Booey puts me through, I will force Howard to not make the remark
> > again. =)
> >
> > Oops! I joked again! I better stop this before there's crosses
> > burning in my drive way.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com> , "Whitty,

> Michael" < Michael.Whitty@d <mailto:Michael.Whitty@d> ...>
> > wrote:
> > > You may be surprised Patrick but I agree here.
> > >
> > > I thought it was an interesting topic and Jeff has a valid

point -

> > maybe
> > > there is a point there that Dehn was trying to make.
> > >
> > > Fact is, James and Helen got complaints (I didn't receive any)

about

> > the
> > > thread. One of these complaints was that it was a smart ass

topic

> > and
> > > seemed demeaning and would lead to people treating homosexuals
> > flippantly
> > > (eg. commenting on "hamslammers" - albeit in a joking manner,
> > there aren't
> > > too many gays laughing Dan). I thought that was way over the

top,

> > but I was
> > > wrong because Dan did make reference to "Hamslammers" that he

never

> > would
> > > have otherwise!
> > >
> > > Whether Jeff intended to open fire on a crowd, it happened. he
> > knows the
> > > rules at the DG and he is free to leave if he don't like 'em.
> > >
> > > I think the problem was really that Jeff wasn't involved in the
> > process and
> > > wasn't informed he was being moderated, and I feel he is owed

an

> > apology for
> > > that, and it could have been handled better.
> > >
> > > Patrick, nobody expects you to say nice things about me (or to

be a

> > man and
> > > admit when you are wrong), and I know you and T and Jeff love

these

> > little
> > > dramas (don't you guys have sexual partners and families for
> > that....I guess
> > > not!), but you are destroying this group by making it the "we

hate

> > the
> > > POTADG" group. I wonder why you all feel it is appropriate to
> > whine about
> > > the POTADG here, but not in Matt's group? You need to ask
> > yourselves that
> > > question. It seems you 3 just need more attention, right?

People

> > on this
> > > group have asked and begged you not to do so, but on you go and
> > hide behind
> > > your "freedom" and "rights" - well you are free to have the

right

> > to listen
> > > to others too...why don't you try that some time? I never

pretend

> > to be
> > > perfect, but I do try to learn from mistakes and make a better
> > world.
> > >
> > > Grow up, build a bridge, get over it.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > "The only thing worse than being spoken about, is NOT being

spoken

> > about."
> > >
> > > Monty Python skit portraying Oscar Wilde.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > < patriciamichelletitbum@y

<mailto:patriciamichelletitbum@y> ...> wrote:

> > > It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer" (as

somebody

> > > recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous. But

Jeff

> > > didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay... and

opened

> > > it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to state a

case

> > > either for or against the idea.
> > >
> > >
>
>

That's where political correctness comes in, Jeff. When the whole
sexual harrassment issue really became front page news in the mid-
90's, the Director of Operations of my workplace told us a true story
about a trucking firm in the U.S. There were only about four women
working there- three good looking, one wasn't. The truck drivers
would flirt with the hot girls but not the ugly one. So the ugly one
took the company to court because she felt she was being sexually
discriminated against.
Let's not let an innocent intended remark on this group grow into a
stupid issue like the ugly girl at the trucking firm. Maybe I have
to start watching Will & Grace to find out what's acceptable gay
humour. Remember, Michael is hinting that I'm a racist now so me and
Howard Stern have to be careful not to offend the senseless.

Hey now!

Dan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Thanks for clearing that up, Dan. If topics are going to be
determined by
> whether people will make a joke about them, or that people MIGHT get
> offended, then why talk POTA? There's evolution, man destroying
himself,
> apes ruling over men. Lots to be offended about. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:59 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Dan talks...
>
>
> > You know what the problem is, Michael? NOBODY can take a joke any
> > more these days. Talk about building mountains out of mole-
> > hills...again!!! Jeff made it crystal clear in several posts
that I
> > was the leader in his Brent/gay contest until the winner found a
> > reference in a BENEATH script that was stronger evidence of Brent
> > being non-gay. Great, I agree, that surpasses my entry. My post
> > about "that's enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone likes
that"
> > was posted AFTER some people complained about the contest. I
thought
> > Jeff's contest was witty (no pun intended, Michael), I wasn't
> > offended, and as the wearer of the yellow jersey for most of the
> > contest race (a little Tour De France humour there, I hope no
> > bicyclists get offended) I liked it even more! If Jeff's contest
> > involved sheep or t-shirts, because of the complaintant's post, my
> > follow-up would have been "that's enough of the sheep talk, Jeff"
> > or "that's enough of the t-shirt talk, Jeff"- bottom line, my post
> > was just a smart-ass joke about me having the lead in the contest
for
> > so long and then losing. As I explained in my reply to Jeff's
post!
> > Now, as far as h-slammer goes, I have Howard Stern tapes where he
> > makes that reference to gays, that's where I first heard the term.
> > IT'S A JOKE!! From now on so I don't offend anyone and step on
over-
> > sensitive toes, I will try to be as politically correct as
possible.
> > So let me summarize:
> > 1) I was not offended by Jeff's contest
> > 2) I have a sense of humour and unintenionally touched a nerve
with
> > what was intended as a joke. I'm on the phone right now with
Howard
> > Stern's people to tell him how he got me in trouble. As soon as
Baba
> > Booey puts me through, I will force Howard to not make the remark
> > again. =)
> >
> > Oops! I joked again! I better stop this before there's crosses
> > burning in my drive way.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > wrote:
> > > You may be surprised Patrick but I agree here.
> > >
> > > I thought it was an interesting topic and Jeff has a valid
point -
> > maybe
> > > there is a point there that Dehn was trying to make.
> > >
> > > Fact is, James and Helen got complaints (I didn't receive any)
about
> > the
> > > thread. One of these complaints was that it was a smart ass
topic
> > and
> > > seemed demeaning and would lead to people treating homosexuals
> > flippantly
> > > (eg. commenting on "hamslammers" - albeit in a joking manner,
> > there aren't
> > > too many gays laughing Dan). I thought that was way over the
top,
> > but I was
> > > wrong because Dan did make reference to "Hamslammers" that he
never
> > would
> > > have otherwise!
> > >
> > > Whether Jeff intended to open fire on a crowd, it happened. he
> > knows the
> > > rules at the DG and he is free to leave if he don't like 'em.
> > >
> > > I think the problem was really that Jeff wasn't involved in the
> > process and
> > > wasn't informed he was being moderated, and I feel he is owed an
> > apology for
> > > that, and it could have been handled better.
> > >
> > > Patrick, nobody expects you to say nice things about me (or to
be a
> > man and
> > > admit when you are wrong), and I know you and T and Jeff love
these
> > little
> > > dramas (don't you guys have sexual partners and families for
> > that....I guess
> > > not!), but you are destroying this group by making it the "we
hate
> > the
> > > POTADG" group. I wonder why you all feel it is appropriate to
> > whine about
> > > the POTADG here, but not in Matt's group? You need to ask
> > yourselves that
> > > question. It seems you 3 just need more attention, right?
People
> > on this
> > > group have asked and begged you not to do so, but on you go and
> > hide behind
> > > your "freedom" and "rights" - well you are free to have the
right
> > to listen
> > > to others too...why don't you try that some time? I never
pretend
> > to be
> > > perfect, but I do try to learn from mistakes and make a better
> > world.
> > >
> > > Grow up, build a bridge, get over it.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > "The only thing worse than being spoken about, is NOT being
spoken
> > about."
> > >
> > > Monty Python skit portraying Oscar Wilde.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <patriciamichelletitbum@y...> wrote:
> > > It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer" (as
somebody
> > > recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous. But
Jeff
> > > didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay... and
opened
> > > it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to state a case
> > > either for or against the idea.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> >
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> > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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  Plus Rory gets the Goldsmith commentary. He'll love it. - - - Jeff

It's so exciting!  Goldsmith does a commentary on the DVD of THE HALLOW MAN.  That movie sucks!  but I'm going to have to rent it to hear what Goldsmith has to say.

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Come on, Dan. We don't use the word "ugly" anymore. The term is "looks
challenged". - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Dan talks...


> That's where political correctness comes in, Jeff. When the whole
> sexual harrassment issue really became front page news in the mid-
> 90's, the Director of Operations of my workplace told us a true story
> about a trucking firm in the U.S. There were only about four women
> working there- three good looking, one wasn't. The truck drivers
> would flirt with the hot girls but not the ugly one. So the ugly one
> took the company to court because she felt she was being sexually
> discriminated against.
> Let's not let an innocent intended remark on this group grow into a
> stupid issue like the ugly girl at the trucking firm. Maybe I have
> to start watching Will & Grace to find out what's acceptable gay
> humour. Remember, Michael is hinting that I'm a racist now so me and
> Howard Stern have to be careful not to offend the senseless.
>
> Hey now!
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Thanks for clearing that up, Dan. If topics are going to be
> determined by
> > whether people will make a joke about them, or that people MIGHT get
> > offended, then why talk POTA? There's evolution, man destroying
> himself,
> > apes ruling over men. Lots to be offended about. - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:59 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Dan talks...
> >
> >
> > > You know what the problem is, Michael? NOBODY can take a joke any
> > > more these days. Talk about building mountains out of mole-
> > > hills...again!!! Jeff made it crystal clear in several posts
> that I
> > > was the leader in his Brent/gay contest until the winner found a
> > > reference in a BENEATH script that was stronger evidence of Brent
> > > being non-gay. Great, I agree, that surpasses my entry. My post
> > > about "that's enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone likes
> that"
> > > was posted AFTER some people complained about the contest. I
> thought
> > > Jeff's contest was witty (no pun intended, Michael), I wasn't
> > > offended, and as the wearer of the yellow jersey for most of the
> > > contest race (a little Tour De France humour there, I hope no
> > > bicyclists get offended) I liked it even more! If Jeff's contest
> > > involved sheep or t-shirts, because of the complaintant's post, my
> > > follow-up would have been "that's enough of the sheep talk, Jeff"
> > > or "that's enough of the t-shirt talk, Jeff"- bottom line, my post
> > > was just a smart-ass joke about me having the lead in the contest
> for
> > > so long and then losing. As I explained in my reply to Jeff's
> post!
> > > Now, as far as h-slammer goes, I have Howard Stern tapes where he
> > > makes that reference to gays, that's where I first heard the term.
> > > IT'S A JOKE!! From now on so I don't offend anyone and step on
> over-
> > > sensitive toes, I will try to be as politically correct as
> possible.
> > > So let me summarize:
> > > 1) I was not offended by Jeff's contest
> > > 2) I have a sense of humour and unintenionally touched a nerve
> with
> > > what was intended as a joke. I'm on the phone right now with
> Howard
> > > Stern's people to tell him how he got me in trouble. As soon as
> Baba
> > > Booey puts me through, I will force Howard to not make the remark
> > > again. =)
> > >
> > > Oops! I joked again! I better stop this before there's crosses
> > > burning in my drive way.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > You may be surprised Patrick but I agree here.
> > > >
> > > > I thought it was an interesting topic and Jeff has a valid
> point -
> > > maybe
> > > > there is a point there that Dehn was trying to make.
> > > >
> > > > Fact is, James and Helen got complaints (I didn't receive any)
> about
> > > the
> > > > thread. One of these complaints was that it was a smart ass
> topic
> > > and
> > > > seemed demeaning and would lead to people treating homosexuals
> > > flippantly
> > > > (eg. commenting on "hamslammers" - albeit in a joking manner,
> > > there aren't
> > > > too many gays laughing Dan). I thought that was way over the
> top,
> > > but I was
> > > > wrong because Dan did make reference to "Hamslammers" that he
> never
> > > would
> > > > have otherwise!
> > > >
> > > > Whether Jeff intended to open fire on a crowd, it happened. he
> > > knows the
> > > > rules at the DG and he is free to leave if he don't like 'em.
> > > >
> > > > I think the problem was really that Jeff wasn't involved in the
> > > process and
> > > > wasn't informed he was being moderated, and I feel he is owed an
> > > apology for
> > > > that, and it could have been handled better.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick, nobody expects you to say nice things about me (or to
> be a
> > > man and
> > > > admit when you are wrong), and I know you and T and Jeff love
> these
> > > little
> > > > dramas (don't you guys have sexual partners and families for
> > > that....I guess
> > > > not!), but you are destroying this group by making it the "we
> hate
> > > the
> > > > POTADG" group. I wonder why you all feel it is appropriate to
> > > whine about
> > > > the POTADG here, but not in Matt's group? You need to ask
> > > yourselves that
> > > > question. It seems you 3 just need more attention, right?
> People
> > > on this
> > > > group have asked and begged you not to do so, but on you go and
> > > hide behind
> > > > your "freedom" and "rights" - well you are free to have the
> right
> > > to listen
> > > > to others too...why don't you try that some time? I never
> pretend
> > > to be
> > > > perfect, but I do try to learn from mistakes and make a better
> > > world.
> > > >
> > > > Grow up, build a bridge, get over it.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > "The only thing worse than being spoken about, is NOT being
> spoken
> > > about."
> > > >
> > > > Monty Python skit portraying Oscar Wilde.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <patriciamichelletitbum@y...> wrote:
> > > > It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer" (as
> somebody
> > > > recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous. But
> Jeff
> > > > didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay... and
> opened
> > > > it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to state a case
> > > > either for or against the idea.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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Thanks for pointing that out, Jeff. How un-politically correct of
me....again!! I'm gonna call Bill Maher right now to get some help.

Dan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Come on, Dan. We don't use the word "ugly" anymore. The term
is "looks
> challenged". - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Dan talks...
>
>
> > That's where political correctness comes in, Jeff. When the whole
> > sexual harrassment issue really became front page news in the mid-
> > 90's, the Director of Operations of my workplace told us a true
story
> > about a trucking firm in the U.S. There were only about four
women
> > working there- three good looking, one wasn't. The truck drivers
> > would flirt with the hot girls but not the ugly one. So the ugly
one
> > took the company to court because she felt she was being sexually
> > discriminated against.
> > Let's not let an innocent intended remark on this group grow into
a
> > stupid issue like the ugly girl at the trucking firm. Maybe I
have
> > to start watching Will & Grace to find out what's acceptable gay
> > humour. Remember, Michael is hinting that I'm a racist now so me
and
> > Howard Stern have to be careful not to offend the senseless.
> >
> > Hey now!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > Thanks for clearing that up, Dan. If topics are going to be
> > determined by
> > > whether people will make a joke about them, or that people
MIGHT get
> > > offended, then why talk POTA? There's evolution, man destroying
> > himself,
> > > apes ruling over men. Lots to be offended about. - - - Jeff
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:59 PM
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Dan talks...
> > >
> > >
> > > > You know what the problem is, Michael? NOBODY can take a
joke any
> > > > more these days. Talk about building mountains out of mole-
> > > > hills...again!!! Jeff made it crystal clear in several posts
> > that I
> > > > was the leader in his Brent/gay contest until the winner
found a
> > > > reference in a BENEATH script that was stronger evidence of
Brent
> > > > being non-gay. Great, I agree, that surpasses my entry. My
post
> > > > about "that's enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone likes
> > that"
> > > > was posted AFTER some people complained about the contest. I
> > thought
> > > > Jeff's contest was witty (no pun intended, Michael), I wasn't
> > > > offended, and as the wearer of the yellow jersey for most of
the
> > > > contest race (a little Tour De France humour there, I hope no
> > > > bicyclists get offended) I liked it even more! If Jeff's
contest
> > > > involved sheep or t-shirts, because of the complaintant's
post, my
> > > > follow-up would have been "that's enough of the sheep talk,
Jeff"
> > > > or "that's enough of the t-shirt talk, Jeff"- bottom line, my
post
> > > > was just a smart-ass joke about me having the lead in the
contest
> > for
> > > > so long and then losing. As I explained in my reply to Jeff's
> > post!
> > > > Now, as far as h-slammer goes, I have Howard Stern tapes
where he
> > > > makes that reference to gays, that's where I first heard the
term.
> > > > IT'S A JOKE!! From now on so I don't offend anyone and step
on
> > over-
> > > > sensitive toes, I will try to be as politically correct as
> > possible.
> > > > So let me summarize:
> > > > 1) I was not offended by Jeff's contest
> > > > 2) I have a sense of humour and unintenionally touched a nerve
> > with
> > > > what was intended as a joke. I'm on the phone right now with
> > Howard
> > > > Stern's people to tell him how he got me in trouble. As soon
as
> > Baba
> > > > Booey puts me through, I will force Howard to not make the
remark
> > > > again. =)
> > > >
> > > > Oops! I joked again! I better stop this before there's
crosses
> > > > burning in my drive way.
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> > <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > You may be surprised Patrick but I agree here.
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought it was an interesting topic and Jeff has a valid
> > point -
> > > > maybe
> > > > > there is a point there that Dehn was trying to make.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fact is, James and Helen got complaints (I didn't receive
any)
> > about
> > > > the
> > > > > thread. One of these complaints was that it was a smart ass
> > topic
> > > > and
> > > > > seemed demeaning and would lead to people treating
homosexuals
> > > > flippantly
> > > > > (eg. commenting on "hamslammers" - albeit in a joking
manner,
> > > > there aren't
> > > > > too many gays laughing Dan). I thought that was way over
the
> > top,
> > > > but I was
> > > > > wrong because Dan did make reference to "Hamslammers" that
he
> > never
> > > > would
> > > > > have otherwise!
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether Jeff intended to open fire on a crowd, it
happened. he
> > > > knows the
> > > > > rules at the DG and he is free to leave if he don't
like 'em.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the problem was really that Jeff wasn't involved in
the
> > > > process and
> > > > > wasn't informed he was being moderated, and I feel he is
owed an
> > > > apology for
> > > > > that, and it could have been handled better.
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick, nobody expects you to say nice things about me (or
to
> > be a
> > > > man and
> > > > > admit when you are wrong), and I know you and T and Jeff
love
> > these
> > > > little
> > > > > dramas (don't you guys have sexual partners and families for
> > > > that....I guess
> > > > > not!), but you are destroying this group by making it
the "we
> > hate
> > > > the
> > > > > POTADG" group. I wonder why you all feel it is appropriate
to
> > > > whine about
> > > > > the POTADG here, but not in Matt's group? You need to ask
> > > > yourselves that
> > > > > question. It seems you 3 just need more attention, right?
> > People
> > > > on this
> > > > > group have asked and begged you not to do so, but on you go
and
> > > > hide behind
> > > > > your "freedom" and "rights" - well you are free to have the
> > right
> > > > to listen
> > > > > to others too...why don't you try that some time? I never
> > pretend
> > > > to be
> > > > > perfect, but I do try to learn from mistakes and make a
better
> > > > world.
> > > > >
> > > > > Grow up, build a bridge, get over it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > "The only thing worse than being spoken about, is NOT being
> > spoken
> > > > about."
> > > > >
> > > > > Monty Python skit portraying Oscar Wilde.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > <patriciamichelletitbum@y...> wrote:
> > > > > It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer" (as
> > somebody
> > > > > recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous. But
> > Jeff
> > > > > didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay... and
> > opened
> > > > > it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to state a
case
> > > > > either for or against the idea.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
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> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...> wrote:

>Remember, Michael is hinting that I'm a racist now so me and Howard

Stern have to be careful not to offend the senseless.

I have been quietly watching all this CRAP go down with much amusment
but felt I had to make a comment here.
I don't quite see how you can make the assumption that Michael
was 'hinting' that you are a racist. All he did was ask if you
thought it was acceptable to use another derogatory term if it was
okay by Howard Stern.

Peace people,

Neil

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Hi to you all, I would just like to introduce myself to the rest of the
group.

My name is Rob and I live in the UK. POTA series was a passion of mine
nearly 30 years ago. That passion wavered slightly as I developed other
interest in my life, work, women and children. Over the last 20 years I have
managed to collect one ex-wife and seven kids, but the passion for POTA
hasn't fizzled out one bit. I have all the bits and books and signatures
(thanks to ebay) and would love to chat along. My partner now understands my
obsession, thank god.

Don't start bitchin' though, it ain't my thing, seen too much bitchin', lol.

Rob

_____

Neil, you're here too?! What does it take to scare you people away? - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil" <nfoster@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Dan talks...


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...> wrote:
> >Remember, Michael is hinting that I'm a racist now so me and Howard
> Stern have to be careful not to offend the senseless.
>
> I have been quietly watching all this CRAP go down with much amusment
> but felt I had to make a comment here.
> I don't quite see how you can make the assumption that Michael
> was 'hinting' that you are a racist. All he did was ask if you
> thought it was acceptable to use another derogatory term if it was
> okay by Howard Stern.
>
> Peace people,
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
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> pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
>
>
>

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:34 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Mster Magician Michael

You see Michael is a Master Magician.  He probably has a list of who's on POTA, and who's on DG, and how likely anyone is to rock the boat or buck the status quo.  Then, using a complex series of computation on the Aussie Gov.'s super computer where he works, he figures just how much he can twist the truth and still have it look like someone else's fault.  Then he knows just how far he can push the envelope on DG, what he'll have to shunt over to POTA, and finally what has to be e-mail privately.  And when I started posting all his shit on the POTA board, I gave his secret away, and no more magic trick.  And for giving the trick away I was banned.  Oh not directly of course.  He had his Monkey Boy James do it for him.  In fact I think Mike is actually the brains of the outfit and James is just a frontman.  There might not even be a James.  Has anyone ever seen them in the room at the same time?  But technically he may not be lying.  He's probably like Frank Burns on M*A*S*H.  He may actually believe all the stuff he says is true.

 

 

 

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Wouldn't aesthetically challenged be a more politically correct term?

Greg#2

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Come on, Dan. We don't use the word "ugly" anymore. The term
is "looks
> challenged". - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Dan talks...
>
>
> > That's where political correctness comes in, Jeff. When the
whole
> > sexual harrassment issue really became front page news in the
mid-
> > 90's, the Director of Operations of my workplace told us a true
story
> > about a trucking firm in the U.S. There were only about four
women
> > working there- three good looking, one wasn't. The truck drivers
> > would flirt with the hot girls but not the ugly one. So the
ugly one
> > took the company to court because she felt she was being sexually
> > discriminated against.
> > Let's not let an innocent intended remark on this group grow
into a
> > stupid issue like the ugly girl at the trucking firm. Maybe I
have
> > to start watching Will & Grace to find out what's acceptable gay
> > humour. Remember, Michael is hinting that I'm a racist now so
me and
> > Howard Stern have to be careful not to offend the senseless.
> >
> > Hey now!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > Thanks for clearing that up, Dan. If topics are going to be
> > determined by
> > > whether people will make a joke about them, or that people
MIGHT get
> > > offended, then why talk POTA? There's evolution, man destroying
> > himself,
> > > apes ruling over men. Lots to be offended about. - - - Jeff
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:59 PM
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Dan talks...
> > >
> > >
> > > > You know what the problem is, Michael? NOBODY can take a
joke any
> > > > more these days. Talk about building mountains out of mole-
> > > > hills...again!!! Jeff made it crystal clear in several posts
> > that I
> > > > was the leader in his Brent/gay contest until the winner
found a
> > > > reference in a BENEATH script that was stronger evidence of
Brent
> > > > being non-gay. Great, I agree, that surpasses my entry. My
post
> > > > about "that's enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone
likes
> > that"
> > > > was posted AFTER some people complained about the contest. I
> > thought
> > > > Jeff's contest was witty (no pun intended, Michael), I wasn't
> > > > offended, and as the wearer of the yellow jersey for most of
the
> > > > contest race (a little Tour De France humour there, I hope no
> > > > bicyclists get offended) I liked it even more! If Jeff's
contest
> > > > involved sheep or t-shirts, because of the complaintant's
post, my
> > > > follow-up would have been "that's enough of the sheep talk,
Jeff"
> > > > or "that's enough of the t-shirt talk, Jeff"- bottom line,
my post
> > > > was just a smart-ass joke about me having the lead in the
contest
> > for
> > > > so long and then losing. As I explained in my reply to
Jeff's
> > post!
> > > > Now, as far as h-slammer goes, I have Howard Stern tapes
where he
> > > > makes that reference to gays, that's where I first heard the
term.
> > > > IT'S A JOKE!! From now on so I don't offend anyone and step
on
> > over-
> > > > sensitive toes, I will try to be as politically correct as
> > possible.
> > > > So let me summarize:
> > > > 1) I was not offended by Jeff's contest
> > > > 2) I have a sense of humour and unintenionally touched a
nerve
> > with
> > > > what was intended as a joke. I'm on the phone right now with
> > Howard
> > > > Stern's people to tell him how he got me in trouble. As
soon as
> > Baba
> > > > Booey puts me through, I will force Howard to not make the
remark
> > > > again. =)
> > > >
> > > > Oops! I joked again! I better stop this before there's
crosses
> > > > burning in my drive way.
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> > <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > You may be surprised Patrick but I agree here.
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought it was an interesting topic and Jeff has a valid
> > point -
> > > > maybe
> > > > > there is a point there that Dehn was trying to make.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fact is, James and Helen got complaints (I didn't receive
any)
> > about
> > > > the
> > > > > thread. One of these complaints was that it was a smart
ass
> > topic
> > > > and
> > > > > seemed demeaning and would lead to people treating
homosexuals
> > > > flippantly
> > > > > (eg. commenting on "hamslammers" - albeit in a joking
manner,
> > > > there aren't
> > > > > too many gays laughing Dan). I thought that was way over
the
> > top,
> > > > but I was
> > > > > wrong because Dan did make reference to "Hamslammers" that
he
> > never
> > > > would
> > > > > have otherwise!
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether Jeff intended to open fire on a crowd, it
happened. he
> > > > knows the
> > > > > rules at the DG and he is free to leave if he don't
like 'em.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the problem was really that Jeff wasn't involved
in the
> > > > process and
> > > > > wasn't informed he was being moderated, and I feel he is
owed an
> > > > apology for
> > > > > that, and it could have been handled better.
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick, nobody expects you to say nice things about me
(or to
> > be a
> > > > man and
> > > > > admit when you are wrong), and I know you and T and Jeff
love
> > these
> > > > little
> > > > > dramas (don't you guys have sexual partners and families
for
> > > > that....I guess
> > > > > not!), but you are destroying this group by making it
the "we
> > hate
> > > > the
> > > > > POTADG" group. I wonder why you all feel it is
appropriate to
> > > > whine about
> > > > > the POTADG here, but not in Matt's group? You need to ask
> > > > yourselves that
> > > > > question. It seems you 3 just need more attention, right?
> > People
> > > > on this
> > > > > group have asked and begged you not to do so, but on you
go and
> > > > hide behind
> > > > > your "freedom" and "rights" - well you are free to have the
> > right
> > > > to listen
> > > > > to others too...why don't you try that some time? I never
> > pretend
> > > > to be
> > > > > perfect, but I do try to learn from mistakes and make a
better
> > > > world.
> > > > >
> > > > > Grow up, build a bridge, get over it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > "The only thing worse than being spoken about, is NOT being
> > spoken
> > > > about."
> > > > >
> > > > > Monty Python skit portraying Oscar Wilde.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > <patriciamichelletitbum@y...> wrote:
> > > > > It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer" (as
> > somebody
> > > > > recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous.
But
> > Jeff
> > > > > didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay...
and
> > opened
> > > > > it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to state
a case
> > > > > either for or against the idea.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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According to Natalie Trundy, she didn't record a commentary for the new DVD and had no knowledge they were doing such a thing. Obviously they are cobbling together old interviews (except the Goldsmith one, which seems a proper one) without the participants even knowing. She is not happy about it. - - - Jeff

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Greg#2

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/20/2003 8:24:06 AM Central Standard Time,
> gbharris1@y... writes:
> Wouldn't aesthetically challenged be a more politically correct
term?
>
>
> It's like that old saying ... Looks are in the eye of the looker.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Patrick, nobody expects you to say nice things about me (or to be a

man and admit when you are wrong), and I know you and T and Jeff love
these little dramas (don't you guys have sexual partners and families
for that....I guess not!), but you are destroying this group by
making it the "we hate the POTADG" group.

*** If I had anything nice to say to/about you, I would -- but of
late you've given me few reasons to. When you sent me pics of the Ape
City building blueprints (via e-mail), I did thank you for being nice
enough to do it... and I've mentioned that publicly here on this
Yahoo group, which I'm sure you didn't "expect" me to do.

>I wonder why you all feel it is appropriate to whine about the

POTADG here, but not in Matt's group? You need to ask yourselves that
question.

*** I'll say it again: Matt's group is called "FILM EMPORIUM"--it
deals with ALL films. It is NOT a specialized site that discusses
ONLY one single film or film series or phenomenon. If I want to chat
about ANY film I've seen recently either on the big screen or on TV
or from a rental, then I post over there -- one reason being that I
got some guff (from you, natch) for posting "off-topic" stuff over
here, back when THIS group was pretty much the ONLY group I posted
to. So, rather than rag on a crappy movie like "SIGNS" over here (as
I used to do), I now take my critiques and raves of OTHER movies over
to Matt's site.
THAT is what his site is for: to discuss ALL movies -- and, for me,
that means ALL movies OTHER THAN "PLANET OF THE APES", since I'd
rather use THIS site to talk POTA.
Since the whole POTADG fiasco is a lousy subtopic under the "POTA"
heading, it's more than appropriate to discuss it HERE, but NOT at
Matt's site, where it would NOT be welcome.

>It seems you 3 just need more attention, right? People on this

group have asked and begged you not to do so, but on you go and hide
behind your "freedom" and "rights" - well you are free to have the
right to listen to others too...why don't you try that some time? I
never pretend to be perfect, but I do try to learn from mistakes and
make a better world.

*** "People on this group have asked and begged"? Who, pray tell,
other than YOU, Mike? Those who didn't like the flame-wars of old who
complained back then are probably over at your DG, despite the fact
that you & James were high-stakes players in all the bitchery. As of
late, the ONLY person on this group who whines about any anti-DG
commentary over here is YOU, because most of it is directed at you.
If you don't like it, then why not just ignore it? Or refrain from
posting here at all -- act like we don't even exist. Nobody's kicking
you out (nobody here has the power to do so), but that doesn't mean
you aren't FREE to leave this group you despised enough to start up
your own group. I can almost guarantee you, Mike, that if you DID
decide to leave here entirely -- never to post again -- that the anti-
DG rants of mine and T's would probably dwindle away to nothing. The
only reason either of us bothers to sound off about the DG is because
you constantly inundate this message board with BS about the DG and
complaints about us (etc), prompting responses on our part.

>
> Grow up, build a bridge, get over it.
>
> Michael
>
> "The only thing worse than being spoken about, is NOT being spoken

about."

>
> Monty Python skit portraying Oscar Wilde.
>
> <patriciamichelletitbum@y...> wrote:

*** And here, yet again, you resort to the same sort of bullshit that
neither you nor James would ever allow at your precious DG. What's
with the <patriciamichelletitbum> crap? If some newbie over at the DG
were to do such a thing to anybody else's Yahoo e-mail address,
making fun of their name (etc), wouldn't that get 'em moderated off
the site? kicked off into the Forbidden Zone? Of COURSE it would! I
thought that you were trying to "make a better world", Mike. Don't
you realize how full of shit you appear to be when you do this kinda
crap? You make yourself into nothing but a hypocrite -- with a 9-year-
old's sense of repartee.
Just to put in a POTA tie-in, remember when one of the interrogators
in "ESCAPE" uses the word "monkey" rather than "ape"? Remember how
Cornelius got offended and told him that the term was offensive to
them... yet the jerk used it again anyway? "Complete the word,
monkey!" The dude was using the "M-word", you might say! Now, don't
tell me that you aren't TRYING to be offensive when you change my
name [Patrick Michael Tilton] into ["Patricia Michelle Titbum"], you
unhip hypocrit! Besides, my middle name is the same as your first
name, so you better watch it or you'll inadvertently find yourself
the target of your own bullshit!

Patrick

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Rob,

If you want to join a group that actually discusses Planet of the
Apes, I suggest you go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Potadg/

Tell me, do you subscribe to Simain Scrolls, the UK Planet of the
Apes Fanzine?

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rob reading" <readingrob@h...> wrote:
> Hi to you all, I would just like to introduce myself to the rest
of the
> group.
>
> My name is Rob and I live in the UK. POTA series was a passion of
mine
> nearly 30 years ago. That passion wavered slightly as I developed
other
> interest in my life, work, women and children. Over the last 20
years I have
> managed to collect one ex-wife and seven kids, but the passion for
POTA
> hasn't fizzled out one bit. I have all the bits and books and
signatures
> (thanks to ebay) and would love to chat along. My partner now
understands my
> obsession, thank god.
>
> Don't start bitchin' though, it ain't my thing, seen too much
bitchin', lol.
>
> Rob
>
> _____