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From: Jake Begler

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:32 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Vs. POTA message boards

What is really funny is I don't know who is who on which board and who started it really. (?!) It is all a bit confusing to us Ape fans who are new here (on either board ) or don't want to bicker just to chat. (lol ) It's all a bit silly.

LordTZer0@... wrote:

In a message dated 12/21/2003 6:17:38 PM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Mike, that if you DID decide to leave here entirely -- never to post again -- that the anti-DG rants of mine and T's would probably dwindle away to nothing.

 

 

Actually they had.  Mike is an attention whore.  I say we drop it again.  Keeping it going is probably what Michael wants.  Why feed the fires?  He can, if he wants to be, be a nice person.  I've seen it.  But I think he also enjoys being an asshole, and we give him every opportunity to be one when we play into his machination and give him more ammo.

 

 

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From: Jake Begler

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Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:51 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] How the ending could make sense.

In my opinion it is just sloppy writing when an audience member needs to add SO much conjecture to attempt to understand a film. Like in Matrix III. UGHHHH...Most movie goers have lives. They need to get it the first time . Look at "Memento." Or the "Sixth sense" or the even the original 'Apes" for that matter. You see the rusting Statue of Liberty buried in the sand and realize you've been on earth the whole time. I sat there in 1968 and the ENTIRE audience had there mouths open. We could barely stand to get up out of our seats. Suttle but totally effective. THAT was screen writing 1-A !

LordTZer0@... wrote:

In a message dated 12/18/2003 1:54:10 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Well, I'm in the DG too. I live in two worlds. So, where did Leo land when he went back to "Earth" in POTA2001? Some say it is an alternate history of the planet he just left. If that's the case Thade wouldn't have to leave the planet (which confuses some people). - -

 

I'll explain this because the chances of there ever being a POTA II to write it for have become so remote that there's no point not explaining it.  That's right folks!  You won't see this explanation on DG!  This is a POTA Group exclusive!  Seen for the first time anywhere!

 

Leo went back to his time.  But as we saw in the movie, first in doesn't mean first out.  Weight (mass) may have something to do with that, though my evidence is circumstantial.  Thade was stuck on the other planet, but there was another pod at the bottom of the swamp.  Though I don't believe that he used that one.  It just isn't likely he could raise and repair that craft to flying condition.  What is more likely is that, though the captain of the Oberon wouldn't risk another a pod on a chimp, he would on a pilot, namely Leo.  There was an Alpha pod and a Delta pod, so there was at least a Beta pod and a Gamma pod in reserve.  It's also logical to assume that the "Rescue Mission" pilot would go to the ship and try to read the logs as Leo did, freeing Thade.  Thade might have learned how to fly the pod from the computers, or more likely bullied the pilot who freed him into teaching him how to fly it.  Thade, having no place in an Ape/Human society, and wanting revenge on Leo for it would use that pod to follow him back to Earth.  However arriving on Earth before Leo he would probably have been put under observation by the authorities and examined.  Possibly as a genetic prototype for warrior apes to be used in place of soldiers by the army.  It is then feasible that Thade either escaped and took charge of the Ape army or fooled his captors into putting him in charge as their leader and then turned on his own side after defeating the enemy, and then took over the world. 

 

If you find any holes in that scenario, let me know.

 

All right reserved by,

T

 

 

 

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Neil

While you are quite correct in everything you say here, I don't need
some smelly English turd with lobsters in his arse standing up for
me.

Now get your bitch arse in the basement and pencil a few more pages
of that wonderful comic!!

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...> wrote:
> >Remember, Michael is hinting that I'm a racist now so me and
Howard
> Stern have to be careful not to offend the senseless.
>
> I have been quietly watching all this CRAP go down with much
amusment
> but felt I had to make a comment here.
> I don't quite see how you can make the assumption that Michael
> was 'hinting' that you are a racist. All he did was ask if you
> thought it was acceptable to use another derogatory term if it was
> okay by Howard Stern.
>
> Peace people,
>
> Neil

Yup. I'm totally evil.

Boo.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> Give me a fucking break, Michael. I didn't think Lord T's comment
> about you "starting fires" was accurate, but maybe he's right
about
> you. Are you calling me a racist, now??
>
> See! I'm not making this stuff up!
> He and James do this shit all the time.
> I'm just amazed that more people haven't caught on.
> These are the power mad Orangutans of POTAdom!
> Just maybe someday the poor deluded bastards over
> at DG will see them for what they really are. I wouldn't
> be surprised if they had planned this from the begining!
> They got together when the Flame Wars started and said,
>
> "We'll just start our own POTA group. And tell everone that
> it's flame free. Then we'll be able to kick out anyone we don't
like!
> We'll be able to flame them all we want. And if they try to flame
us
> back, we'll kick them off the board. Mooowahhhhahahahahahahaha!"
>
> Or something like that.

So T, following this logic, you are saying Dan is gay so he can use
the word "Hamslammers"?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/19/2003 6:40:41 AM Central Standard Time,
> mystic4ever@s... writes:
> Let's not let an innocent intended remark on this group grow into
a
> stupid issue like the ugly girl at the trucking firm. Maybe I
have
> to start watching Will & Grace to find out what's acceptable gay
> humour.
>
> It's like on South Park when only Mr. Garison could call someone a
Fag. Like
> if you black it's okay to call someone . . . . well, you get the
idea.

Damn you're good T.

Now hold this 5 inches from your eye.......

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/19/2003 4:11:50 PM Central Standard Time,
> nfoster@h... writes:
> I don't quite see how you can make the assumption that Michael
> was 'hinting' that you are a racist.
>
> Oh, I do!
> He's actually more subtle than people give him credit for. Some
of his plots
> are like those eye puzzles. You have to either hold them up close
or step
> back a bit to actually see them. I wouldn't be surprised if he
has insulted you
> Neil. You just didn't see it.

Dude, are you on drugs? Speaking of MASH - I think you are
a "Corporal Klinger" type, right?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> You see Michael is a Master Magician. He probably has a list of
who's on
> POTA, and who's on DG, and how likely anyone is to rock the boat
or buck the
> status quo. Then, using a complex series of computation on the
Aussie Gov.'s
> super computer where he works, he figures just how much he can
twist the truth and
> still have it look like someone else's fault. Then he knows just
how far he
> can push the envelope on DG, what he'll have to shunt over to
POTA, and
> finally what has to be e-mail privately. And when I started
posting all his shit on
> the POTA board, I gave his secret away, and no more magic trick.
And for
> giving the trick away I was banned. Oh not directly of course.
He had his
> Monkey Boy James do it for him. In fact I think Mike is actually
the brains of the
> outfit and James is just a frontman. There might not even be a
James. Has
> anyone ever seen them in the room at the same time? But
technically he may not
> be lying. He's probably like Frank Burns on M*A*S*H. He may
actually
> believe all the stuff he says is true.

This shit.

Neil

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Neil, you're here too?! What does it take to scare you people
away? - - -
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neil" <nfoster@h...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Dan talks...
>
>
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...>
wrote:
> > >Remember, Michael is hinting that I'm a racist now so me and
Howard
> > Stern have to be careful not to offend the senseless.
> >
> > I have been quietly watching all this CRAP go down with much
amusment
> > but felt I had to make a comment here.
> > I don't quite see how you can make the assumption that Michael
> > was 'hinting' that you are a racist. All he did was ask if you
> > thought it was acceptable to use another derogatory term if it
was
> > okay by Howard Stern.
> >
> > Peace people,
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

I think you mean insane.....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> T, you're starting to sound bitter. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LordTZer0@A...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:34 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Mster Magician Michael
>
>
> You see Michael is a Master Magician. He probably has a list of
who's on POTA, and who's on DG, and how likely anyone is to rock the
boat or buck the status quo. Then, using a complex series of
computation on the Aussie Gov.'s super computer where he works, he
figures just how much he can twist the truth and still have it look
like someone else's fault. Then he knows just how far he can push
the envelope on DG, what he'll have to shunt over to POTA, and
finally what has to be e-mail privately. And when I started posting
all his shit on the POTA board, I gave his secret away, and no more
magic trick. And for giving the trick away I was banned. Oh not
directly of course. He had his Monkey Boy James do it for him. In
fact I think Mike is actually the brains of the outfit and James is
just a frontman. There might not even be a James. Has anyone ever
seen them in the room at the same time? But technically he may not
be lying. He's probably like Frank Burns on M*A*S*H. He may
actually believe all the stuff he says is true.
>
>
>
>
>
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Ha ha!

T got kicked off the DG.

MW

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/19/2003 9:59:19 PM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
> T, you're starting to sound bitter. - - - Jeff
>
> Just now? I thought I sounded bitter long before now.
> Nah, I can go to DG anytime I like, but I go less and less.
> Not much there. Though your contest was a highlight.
> I just find it amazing that more people haven't figured
> Mike out yet. Their living in a fools paradise. But
> when this comes up I tend to get on the soapbox
> for a good rant. If I miss anything it's that. Ahhh...
> it felt good.

I'm not happy they didn't ask me to comment on LordTZer0! The CUNTS!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> According to Natalie Trundy, she didn't record a commentary for
the new DVD and had no knowledge they were doing such a thing.
Obviously they are cobbling together old interviews (except the
Goldsmith one, which seems a proper one) without the participants
even knowing. She is not happy about it. - - - Jeff

Yeah, you couln't afford it T. Loser! Ha ha!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/19/2003 10:51:05 PM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
> Obviously they are cobbling together old interviews
>
> Let me know if it's worth it.
> No point in rushing to buy if it's all old material in a new box.

You only say that because you are so damned ugly! Have you ever
considered surgery?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/20/2003 8:24:06 AM Central Standard Time,
> gbharris1@y... writes:
> Wouldn't aesthetically challenged be a more politically correct
term?
>
>
> It's like that old saying ... Looks are in the eye of the looker.

What's your point....other than you have a mental problem?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/21/2003 10:22:49 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
> Well thank god T has something to rant about...
>
> It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas
It's Christmas
> It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas
It's
> Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas
No . . . nothing to say at
> all. It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's
Christmas It's
> Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's
Christmas It's
> Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's
Christmas It's
> Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's
Christmas It's
> Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's
Christmas
> It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas
It's Christmas
> It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas It's Christmas

Hey Jeff, you can only laugh if you are gay! You ready to come out
yet?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Hamslammers?! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's golden! I have to remember
that. I'll
> use it in my next contest. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 8:51 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Dan Talks
>
>
> > Settle down Dan and read my post.
> >
> > Not calling you a racist, just saying you seem to be dismissing
name
> > calling as OK if Howard Stern says it - I'm trying to get across
the
> > point that this is not so.
> >
> > You still don't get the point - the same people who would get
> > offended at you saying "hamslammers" would also get offended at
the
> > sitcom, laugh track and all. I agree they would probably be
being
> > overly sensitive, but that is not my decision or yours.
> >
> > So don't bother with the laughing track.
> >
> > I often call Neil a fucking cunt, but that's OK because
> >
> > (1) he IS;
> >
> > (2) Derek and Clive said it.
> >
> > I still wouldn't go on a group and refer to people as "fucking
> > cunts", or "Hamslammers", or "Big Ears" if they weren't part of
the
> > joke.
> >
> > And T is right, I insult Neil all the time ( smelly Pommie
hippie!) -
> > and I threaten to give his address to weird men with homo-man-
ape
> > fantasies. And I force him to draw comics.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...>
wrote:
> > > Give me a fucking break, Michael. I didn't think Lord T's
comment
> > > about you "starting fires" was accurate, but maybe he's right
> > about
> > > you. Are you calling me a racist, now?? I sure wish in my
> > personal
> > > and professional life I could get away with blowing something
> > > insignificant and innocent into an international incident. If
> > anyone
> > > was offended by my h-slammer remark, I really, really feel
sorry
> > for
> > > them.
> > > Assuming the people who can't take or recognize a joke watch
> > sitcoms,
> > > they must also know that not every joke on these shows is
funny,
> > but
> > > they're marketed as jokes anyways because of the laugh-track
that
> > > follows. I think that's what I need- the technology to have a
> > laugh-
> > > track added to my e-mails that are jokes that are synchronized
> > > precisely to go off as soon as the message is read. This way
> > > everyone will realize it's a joke. Maybe I can get this
working
> > > before the holidays and make it the best damn Christmas since
Bing
> > > Crosby tap danced with Danny Fucking Kay!!
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> > <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Oh! Howard Stern said it! Then I'm sure no homosexual in
the
> > > world would
> > > > be offended by that word!
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Dan!
> > > >
> > > > Can you find out if he calls anyone a "nigger"? I've been
dying
> > to
> > > justify
> > > > using that word! Make sure he's just kidding though, coz
that
> > > justifies it,
> > > > right?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com> , "erika4pug" <
> > > > mystic4ever@s <mailto:mystic4ever@s> ...> wrote:
> > > > > You know what the problem is, Michael? NOBODY can take a
joke
> > > any
> > > > > more these days. Talk about building mountains out of
mole-
> > > > > hills...again!!! Jeff made it crystal clear in several
posts
> > > that I
> > > > > was the leader in his Brent/gay contest until the winner
found
> > a
> > > > > reference in a BENEATH script that was stronger evidence of
> > Brent
> > > > > being non-gay. Great, I agree, that surpasses my entry.
My
> > post
> > > > > about "that's enough of the gay talk, Jeff, not everyone
likes
> > > that"
> > > > > was posted AFTER some people complained about the
contest. I
> > > thought
> > > > > Jeff's contest was witty (no pun intended, Michael), I
wasn't
> > > > > offended, and as the wearer of the yellow jersey for most
of
> > the
> > > > > contest race (a little Tour De France humour there, I hope
no
> > > > > bicyclists get offended) I liked it even more! If Jeff's
> > > contest
> > > > > involved sheep or t-shirts, because of the complaintant's
> > post,
> > > my
> > > > > follow-up would have been "that's enough of the sheep talk,
> > Jeff"
> > > > > or "that's enough of the t-shirt talk, Jeff"- bottom line,
my
> > > post
> > > > > was just a smart-ass joke about me having the lead in the
> > contest
> > > for
> > > > > so long and then losing. As I explained in my reply to
Jeff's
> > > post!
> > > > > Now, as far as h-slammer goes, I have Howard Stern tapes
where
> > he
> > > > > makes that reference to gays, that's where I first heard
the
> > > term.
> > > > > IT'S A JOKE!! From now on so I don't offend anyone and
step
> > on
> > > over-
> > > > > sensitive toes, I will try to be as politically correct as
> > > possible.
> > > > > So let me summarize:
> > > > > 1) I was not offended by Jeff's contest
> > > > > 2) I have a sense of humour and unintenionally touched a
nerve
> > > with
> > > > > what was intended as a joke. I'm on the phone right now
with
> > > Howard
> > > > > Stern's people to tell him how he got me in trouble. As
soon
> > as
> > > Baba
> > > > > Booey puts me through, I will force Howard to not make the
> > remark
> > > > > again. =)
> > > > >
> > > > > Oops! I joked again! I better stop this before there's
> > crosses
> > > > > burning in my drive way.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com> , "Whitty,
> > > > Michael" < Michael.Whitty@d <mailto:Michael.Whitty@d> ...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > You may be surprised Patrick but I agree here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I thought it was an interesting topic and Jeff has a
valid
> > > point -
> > > > > maybe
> > > > > > there is a point there that Dehn was trying to make.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fact is, James and Helen got complaints (I didn't receive
> > any)
> > > about
> > > > > the
> > > > > > thread. One of these complaints was that it was a smart
ass
> > > topic
> > > > > and
> > > > > > seemed demeaning and would lead to people treating
> > homosexuals
> > > > > flippantly
> > > > > > (eg. commenting on "hamslammers" - albeit in a joking
> > manner,
> > > > > there aren't
> > > > > > too many gays laughing Dan). I thought that was way over
> > the
> > > top,
> > > > > but I was
> > > > > > wrong because Dan did make reference to "Hamslammers"
that
> > he
> > > never
> > > > > would
> > > > > > have otherwise!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whether Jeff intended to open fire on a crowd, it
happened.
> > he
> > > > > knows the
> > > > > > rules at the DG and he is free to leave if he don't
like 'em.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think the problem was really that Jeff wasn't involved
in
> > the
> > > > > process and
> > > > > > wasn't informed he was being moderated, and I feel he is
> > owed
> > > an
> > > > > apology for
> > > > > > that, and it could have been handled better.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Patrick, nobody expects you to say nice things about me
(or
> > to
> > > be a
> > > > > man and
> > > > > > admit when you are wrong), and I know you and T and Jeff
> > love
> > > these
> > > > > little
> > > > > > dramas (don't you guys have sexual partners and families
for
> > > > > that....I guess
> > > > > > not!), but you are destroying this group by making it
> > the "we
> > > hate
> > > > > the
> > > > > > POTADG" group. I wonder why you all feel it is
appropriate
> > to
> > > > > whine about
> > > > > > the POTADG here, but not in Matt's group? You need to
ask
> > > > > yourselves that
> > > > > > question. It seems you 3 just need more attention,
right?
> > > People
> > > > > on this
> > > > > > group have asked and begged you not to do so, but on you
go
> > and
> > > > > hide behind
> > > > > > your "freedom" and "rights" - well you are free to have
the
> > > right
> > > > > to listen
> > > > > > to others too...why don't you try that some time? I
never
> > > pretend
> > > > > to be
> > > > > > perfect, but I do try to learn from mistakes and make a
> > better
> > > > > world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Grow up, build a bridge, get over it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The only thing worse than being spoken about, is NOT
being
> > > spoken
> > > > > about."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Monty Python skit portraying Oscar Wilde.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > < patriciamichelletitbum@y
> > > <mailto:patriciamichelletitbum@y> ...> wrote:
> > > > > > It's one thing to accuse Brent of being "a hamslammer"
(as
> > > somebody
> > > > > > recently put it) -- that might be considered slanderous.
But
> > > Jeff
> > > > > > didn't do that. He speculated that Brent MIGHT be gay...
and
> > > opened
> > > > > > it up for a topic of discussion, inviting us all to
state a
> > > case
> > > > > > either for or against the idea.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Here's one person who doesn't want to listen to this shit Patrick.

And the other new member.

Hunter was another who begged you to stop.

Greg #2 did the same last time I believe.

Kassidy said the same (I think she AND Hunter have left the group
now, and they were both valuable posters).

There's plenty Patrick. If you apply the same passion you have for
hating me to finding the posts I am talking about you would be
surprised.

Fact is you guys love the bitching and I think that is bacause this
group is as close as you get to human relations - and that's very
sad.

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Jake Begler <jakebegler@y...> wrote:
> What is really funny is I don't know who is who on which board and
who started it really. (?!) It is all a bit confusing to us Ape fans
who are new here (on either board ) or don't want to bicker just to
chat. (lol ) It's all a bit silly.
>
> LordTZer0@A... wrote:In a message dated 12/21/2003 6:17:38 PM
Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> Mike, that if you DID decide to leave here entirely -- never to
post again -- that the anti-DG rants of mine and T's would probably
dwindle away to nothing.
>
>
> Actually they had. Mike is an attention whore. I say we drop it
again. Keeping it going is probably what Michael wants. Why feed
the fires? He can, if he wants to be, be a nice person. I've seen
it. But I think he also enjoys being an asshole, and we give him
every opportunity to be one when we play into his machination and
give him more ammo.
>
>
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Hey, I missed this from Patrick about me leaving the group.

It is kinda funnt. Remember Tom, who had a huge problem with the
DG? He's ANOTHER person who asked for the bitching to stop on this
group. He addressed me, as many do, because they feel I am more
mature than you other losers and I will eventually let it go and get
on with it.

I asked him to take note while I left the group for a month, and see
how long T and Patrick would carry on. It was a VERY long time.

I have also been off the group for the last 3 days. The last post I
read was T saying he was in the christmas spirit and anticipating a
negative response from me. What actually happened was I received
another 30 or so insults befor I posted again.

So thanks for the invitation to leave the group I have been in for
longer than anyone else here, but I have a better idea. I'll stay,
and you and T can stay off the DG OK? HAhahahahahha!!

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Then let's chat. The only ones who speak up around here are the
wise acres. You can tell the differnec because one group has "DG"
after POTA and the other doesn't (DG stands for "DiGnity").Who all
is here? People keep popping up but usually you wouldn't know
anyone's here but the wind. Everyone stay close, you could get lost
here in the dark. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jake Begler
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Vs. POTA message
boards
>
>
> What is really funny is I don't know who is who on which board
and who started it really. (?!) It is all a bit confusing to us Ape
fans who are new here (on either board ) or don't want to bicker
just to chat. (lol ) It's all a bit silly.
>
> LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/21/2003 6:17:38 PM Central Standard
Time, patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> Mike, that if you DID decide to leave here entirely -- never
to post again -- that the anti-DG rants of mine and T's would
probably dwindle away to nothing.
>
>
> Actually they had. Mike is an attention whore. I say we drop
it again. Keeping it going is probably what Michael wants. Why
feed the fires? He can, if he wants to be, be a nice person. I've
seen it. But I think he also enjoys being an asshole, and we give
him every opportunity to be one when we play into his machination
and give him more ammo.
>
>
>
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Nah - let's talk about how ugly you are!

aha hahahhaha

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Can you believe some of the rubbish Mike posts? And not just
here? Here's a
> nice sample of one of his DG musings.
>
>
> Well folks, I think in order to be consistent, it might be time to
stop
> discussing religion and politics here.
>
> We recently decided to moderate posts on a theme that offended some
> members...I think this topic is likely to generate FAR more
discontent.
>
> I know POTA does involve Race and Politics, but I only want to
discuss
> elements that don't offend people here unless the group vote
otherwise.
>
> Michael
>
>
> You know, it's really funny. Why? You may well ask. It's funny
because the
> people that Planet of the Apes should have offended, were actually
too stupid
> to know that it was talking about them. So they weren't offended
at all.
> That includes a lot of the suits at Fox. Now, lets all stop
talking about
> religion, politics and social satire and get back to discussing
Apes. I was going
> to say, "Let's get back to talking apes." but some people might
not have got
> it.

What's that, the sound of T carrying on bitching?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/22/2003 2:27:25 AM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
> Fact is you guys love the bitching
>
> I'd say that was the pot calling the kettle black, but that would
be an
> understatement.

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These are all terms used to describe insane Texan (failed) punk
rockers right T?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/21/2003 11:47:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
> Hamslammers?! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's golden! I have to remember
that. I'll
> use it in my next contest. - - - Jeff
>
>
> If you like that one, Jeff you might get a kick out of turd
buglers, or some
> other classics, like rump wranglers, pillow biters, chode smokers,
or my
> personal favorite bone smugglers. Though I must admit ham
slammers is a good one.
> I hadn't hear that one before.

OK - I've stopped from now until I hear shit from you.

Anyone holding their breath?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/22/2003 12:34:00 AM Central Standard Time,
> jakebegler@y... writes:
> It is all a bit confusing to us Ape fans who are new here (on
either board )
> or don't want to bicker just to chat. (lol ) It's all a bit silly.
>
> Yes, it is. Just plain silly. And I've tried to bury the hatchet
many
> times. But Mike moves surprisingly quickly for a large man.

I'm telling mom!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/22/2003 2:39:13 AM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
> Nah - let's talk about how ugly you are!
>
> aha hahahhaha
>
> Yes, well, for someone who says he's so much more mature than the
rest of us,
> you certainly are being a big baby about it. Do you kids get
their own
> presents for Christmas, or do you just let them play with the Ape
toys you spent
> that money on? Look. I'll stop when you stop. But I guess I
won't have to
> worry about that any time soon. Will I?

ME? GAY???? I'm not even HAPPY!!!

I've received your e-mails both on and outside this group, Michael, and this
is my final word on the matter: I, too, don't want to keep this going, and
the bottom line is this: "h-slammers" was a joke. Anyone who didn't think
it was a joke should realize that if that now infamous post of mine was
meant to offend, I sure would have used much, much, harsher words to
describe gays, or in this case Brent, who has been proven not gay by the
POTA GROUP court.

And as for Jeff's contest, I still say the only reason Brent didn't bang
Nova was because he didn't want to get the clap.

Hey Jeff, instead of another contest, how about you start a poll- "How many
of you would have nailed Nova anyways, regardless of the consequences!"

Survey says............

=o)

Dan

>
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:08:29 -0000
> From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@...>
> Subject: Re: Dan talks gay because he's...
>
> So T, following this logic, you are saying Dan is gay so he can use
> the word "Hamslammers"?
>
>

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Taylor nailed her. He seemed to be smarter than Brent. I'm not allowed to
say this on the DG so I'll say it here: Brent was gay! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:51 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Peace


> ME? GAY???? I'm not even HAPPY!!!
>
> I've received your e-mails both on and outside this group, Michael, and
this
> is my final word on the matter: I, too, don't want to keep this going, and
> the bottom line is this: "h-slammers" was a joke. Anyone who didn't think
> it was a joke should realize that if that now infamous post of mine was
> meant to offend, I sure would have used much, much, harsher words to
> describe gays, or in this case Brent, who has been proven not gay by the
> POTA GROUP court.
>
> And as for Jeff's contest, I still say the only reason Brent didn't bang
> Nova was because he didn't want to get the clap.
>
> Hey Jeff, instead of another contest, how about you start a poll- "How
many
> of you would have nailed Nova anyways, regardless of the consequences!"
>
> Survey says............
>
> =o)
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Message: 19
> > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:08:29 -0000
> > From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@...>
> > Subject: Re: Dan talks gay because he's...
> >
> > So T, following this logic, you are saying Dan is gay so he can use
> > the word "Hamslammers"?
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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That's because Taylor is the man!
Brent was straight as an arrow as an unused BENEATH script has
proven! He's just leary about sewing his oats in an antibiotic-free
society! But answer me this, Jeff: Has anyone mentioned simian
literature about marketing more environmental resources?

=o)

Dan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Taylor nailed her. He seemed to be smarter than Brent. I'm not
allowed to
> say this on the DG so I'll say it here: Brent was gay! - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@s...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:51 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Peace
>
>
> > ME? GAY???? I'm not even HAPPY!!!
> >
> > I've received your e-mails both on and outside this group,
Michael, and
> this
> > is my final word on the matter: I, too, don't want to keep this
going, and
> > the bottom line is this: "h-slammers" was a joke. Anyone who
didn't think
> > it was a joke should realize that if that now infamous post of
mine was
> > meant to offend, I sure would have used much, much, harsher words
to
> > describe gays, or in this case Brent, who has been proven not gay
by the
> > POTA GROUP court.
> >
> > And as for Jeff's contest, I still say the only reason Brent
didn't bang
> > Nova was because he didn't want to get the clap.
> >
> > Hey Jeff, instead of another contest, how about you start a poll-
"How
> many
> > of you would have nailed Nova anyways, regardless of the
consequences!"
> >
> > Survey says............
> >
> > =o)
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Message: 19
> > > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:08:29 -0000
> > > From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > > Subject: Re: Dan talks gay because he's...
> > >
> > > So T, following this logic, you are saying Dan is gay so he can
use
> > > the word "Hamslammers"?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Huh? What? You gay people say the cutest things! No wonder you're TV
stars. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Peace


> That's because Taylor is the man!
> Brent was straight as an arrow as an unused BENEATH script has
> proven! He's just leary about sewing his oats in an antibiotic-free
> society! But answer me this, Jeff: Has anyone mentioned simian
> literature about marketing more environmental resources?
>
> =o)
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Taylor nailed her. He seemed to be smarter than Brent. I'm not
> allowed to
> > say this on the DG so I'll say it here: Brent was gay! - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@s...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:51 AM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Peace
> >
> >
> > > ME? GAY???? I'm not even HAPPY!!!
> > >
> > > I've received your e-mails both on and outside this group,
> Michael, and
> > this
> > > is my final word on the matter: I, too, don't want to keep this
> going, and
> > > the bottom line is this: "h-slammers" was a joke. Anyone who
> didn't think
> > > it was a joke should realize that if that now infamous post of
> mine was
> > > meant to offend, I sure would have used much, much, harsher words
> to
> > > describe gays, or in this case Brent, who has been proven not gay
> by the
> > > POTA GROUP court.
> > >
> > > And as for Jeff's contest, I still say the only reason Brent
> didn't bang
> > > Nova was because he didn't want to get the clap.
> > >
> > > Hey Jeff, instead of another contest, how about you start a poll-
> "How
> > many
> > > of you would have nailed Nova anyways, regardless of the
> consequences!"
> > >
> > > Survey says............
> > >
> > > =o)
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Message: 19
> > > > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:08:29 -0000
> > > > From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > > > Subject: Re: Dan talks gay because he's...
> > > >
> > > > So T, following this logic, you are saying Dan is gay so he can
> use
> > > > the word "Hamslammers"?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
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>
>

ME? GAY??? I'm not even HAPPY!!
Oh, wait a minute, I already said that.

Dammit, Jeff, quit slammin' me!!

Dan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Huh? What? You gay people say the cutest things! No wonder you're
TV
> stars. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Peace
>
>
> > That's because Taylor is the man!
> > Brent was straight as an arrow as an unused BENEATH script has
> > proven! He's just leary about sewing his oats in an antibiotic-
free
> > society! But answer me this, Jeff: Has anyone mentioned simian
> > literature about marketing more environmental resources?
> >
> > =o)
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > Taylor nailed her. He seemed to be smarter than Brent. I'm not
> > allowed to
> > > say this on the DG so I'll say it here: Brent was gay! - - -
Jeff
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@s...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:51 AM
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Peace
> > >
> > >
> > > > ME? GAY???? I'm not even HAPPY!!!
> > > >
> > > > I've received your e-mails both on and outside this group,
> > Michael, and
> > > this
> > > > is my final word on the matter: I, too, don't want to keep
this
> > going, and
> > > > the bottom line is this: "h-slammers" was a joke. Anyone who
> > didn't think
> > > > it was a joke should realize that if that now infamous post of
> > mine was
> > > > meant to offend, I sure would have used much, much, harsher
words
> > to
> > > > describe gays, or in this case Brent, who has been proven not
gay
> > by the
> > > > POTA GROUP court.
> > > >
> > > > And as for Jeff's contest, I still say the only reason Brent
> > didn't bang
> > > > Nova was because he didn't want to get the clap.
> > > >
> > > > Hey Jeff, instead of another contest, how about you start a
poll-
> > "How
> > > many
> > > > of you would have nailed Nova anyways, regardless of the
> > consequences!"
> > > >
> > > > Survey says............
> > > >
> > > > =o)
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 19
> > > > > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:08:29 -0000
> > > > > From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Dan talks gay because he's...
> > > > >
> > > > > So T, following this logic, you are saying Dan is gay so he
can
> > use
> > > > > the word "Hamslammers"?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
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And we all know T would be saying "Nova, you are not NEARLY hairy
enough....but that surgeon of yours, Zira, she's HOT!"

"Sorry, last one....honest!"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/22/2003 5:51:54 AM Central Standard Time,
> mystic4ever@s... writes:
> Hey Jeff, instead of another contest, how about you start a poll-
"How many
> of you would have nailed Nova anyways, regardless of the
consequences!"
>
> Survey says............
>
> Yeah, fear of getting space-syph would give way to instinct every
time. And
> you know Mike would. They're in a cage. How's she gonna get
away. Last one,
> honest.

Taylor knocked her up, remember???

Greg#2

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/22/2003 10:25:50 AM Central Standard Time,
> mystic4ever@s... writes:
> That's because Taylor is the man! Brent was straight as an arrow
as an unused
> BENEATH script has proven!
>
> I think it basically comes down to their attitudes. Brent's can
be summed up
> in the phrase ... "I gotta get out of here. Yeah, I gotta get
back up there.
> I don't know how, or what with, but I'm not staying here." A
very Leoistic
> attitude. Leo had every female on the planet throwing herself at
him and he
> wouldn't give them a pull. However Taylor's attitude was a
complete 180 to
> theirs. And can be summed up in the phrase ... "There is just one
reality. You
> are here, and it is now. You better get ahold of that right now
or you might
> as well be dead." Or as they used to say back then ... If you
can't be with
> the one you love, honey, love the one you're with.

Chalk me up for nailing her. She looked damn hot in that animal
skin bikini thingee she wore!!! She's still an attractive woman
today. I met her a couple of years ago at a convention here in
Texas and she still looked good.

Greg#2

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/22/2003 5:51:54 AM Central Standard Time,
> mystic4ever@s... writes:
> Hey Jeff, instead of another contest, how about you start a poll-
"How many
> of you would have nailed Nova anyways, regardless of the
consequences!"
>
> Survey says............
>
> Yeah, fear of getting space-syph would give way to instinct every
time. And
> you know Mike would. They're in a cage. How's she gonna get
away. Last one,
> honest.

There's nothing wrong with being a Texan. I was born and raised
here in Dallas / Ft Worth and am DAMN PROUD of it!!! I am only a
little insane but my therapist tells me I'm getting much better
though. I mostly blame my kids for the insanity.

Oh, by the way, you forgot cock smoker and butt pirate on your list
of names. HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!

Greg#2

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> These are all terms used to describe insane Texan (failed) punk
> rockers right T?
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > In a message dated 12/21/2003 11:47:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> > veetus@e... writes:
> > Hamslammers?! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's golden! I have to

remember

> that. I'll
> > use it in my next contest. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > If you like that one, Jeff you might get a kick out of turd
> buglers, or some
> > other classics, like rump wranglers, pillow biters, chode

smokers,

> or my
> > personal favorite bone smugglers. Though I must admit ham
> slammers is a good one.
> > I hadn't hear that one before.

The SPACE channel in Canada is airing all 5 original POTA films back-
to-back starting at 9:45am EST on Friday, January 2 and then re-
airing the first one at 3:45am Saturday morning. Ironically, January
2 is my birthday. I wonder if they're doing this in my honour?

=o)

Dan

Hey all, I caught, for the first time last night that Discovery
Channel documentary on Oliver - the so called `Human-zee'

I've heard of him before (mostly on these groups) but the
strangest thing was when I first saw those pictures of him I felt
this stirring gut reaction of... I don't know... unease? repulsion?

Now I think I'm pretty tolerant of just about everyone and
everything but my `gut' was telling me there was something just
plain `wrong' and maybe I wouldn't be as pleased to see an
evolved ape as I always thought I might?

Then I saw how he is today, riddled with arthrities and partially
sighted and felt nothing but compassion. Did/Does he provoke
such strong feelings in anyone else?

Dave

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I've never seen him but I'm curious. If he's a hybrid of some kind it's
not surprising he has health problems. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "cyntwa" <4print@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:59 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Gut feelings


> Hey all, I caught, for the first time last night that Discovery
> Channel documentary on Oliver - the so called `Human-zee'
>
> I've heard of him before (mostly on these groups) but the
> strangest thing was when I first saw those pictures of him I felt
> this stirring gut reaction of... I don't know... unease? repulsion?
>
> Now I think I'm pretty tolerant of just about everyone and
> everything but my `gut' was telling me there was something just
> plain `wrong' and maybe I wouldn't be as pleased to see an
> evolved ape as I always thought I might?
>
> Then I saw how he is today, riddled with arthrities and partially
> sighted and felt nothing but compassion. Did/Does he provoke
> such strong feelings in anyone else?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>

Well Dan,

At risk of keeping this going, but let me repeat myself:

(1) Joke or not, name calling is offensive. The issue is not
whether you are joking or not;

(2) I'm not saying you are a homophobe, just that whether you are
kidding or not it is totally inappropriate to name-call in a public
group unless you are referring to someone who KNOWS you are kidding,
as with myself and Neil. And even in that situation, those who
don't know Neil and I are friendly enough to kid around like that
might have thought I was REALLY insulting him.

(3) Because I don't seem to be getting through to you, I have
referred your email to a person in the DG who is a homosexual and
this is what that person had to say:

--- Michael Whitty wrote:

>
> How do I reason with this guy?
>
> How do I explain that, joke or not, he shouldn't be name calling?>>

Sadly, I think this is a case of you'll never change his mind and he
isn't willing to change his mind or his POV. I don't think there's
any way he even wants to have a rational discussion because in his
mind he's right and nobody's going to sway him from that misguided
belief. He honestly believes he's being funny, and harmless.

I've come across a lot of people like him in my life, and after I
know they can't be reasoned with I just ignore them. If they're on
one of the lists I control I remove them because I have very strict
rules in place about what is and isn't acceptable posting.

If you have the power to put anti hate speech (including "jokes" of
the kind he tells) in the Rules, I'd do so. If you don't, you may
just tell him you're sorry, but you can't see eye to eye with him on
this issue and because you both have very different ideas about how
people as a group should be treated you'll have to ignore his posts
from now on and cut him out of your circle of posting buddies.

It's about all the power any of us have....to only surround
ourselves with people who uplift us and support us, and not waste
time with peopoe who just want to cause trouble or spread hate.

Sorry I can't be more helpful. All I can say is that the kind of
posts he posts are not allowed on any of the lists I'm in control of
and people like him are the reason my Rules are what they are. I
don't want that sort of stuff on my lists, and I don't want to be
exposed to it on lists that I join. I choose to not be around people
like him, life is to short.

Now go smell some flowers and give your wife a hug and celebrate the
Winter Holidays without this guys tainting the joy of the Season : )

(((HUGS))) to you and yours and a very happy holiday,

Dan, the above is from a homosexual and it explains the situation.
Nowhere in this post have you been called names, even as a joke, and
it is intended to enlighten you, not to threaten you.

Please have a good think about it, and put yourself in the place of
a homosexual, and think about whether your intent is the issue or
whether in fact the point is simply that your comment was offensive
to some.

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@s...> wrote:
> ME? GAY???? I'm not even HAPPY!!!
>
> I've received your e-mails both on and outside this group,
Michael, and this
> is my final word on the matter: I, too, don't want to keep this
going, and
> the bottom line is this: "h-slammers" was a joke. Anyone who
didn't think
> it was a joke should realize that if that now infamous post of
mine was
> meant to offend, I sure would have used much, much, harsher words
to
> describe gays, or in this case Brent, who has been proven not gay
by the
> POTA GROUP court.
>
> And as for Jeff's contest, I still say the only reason Brent
didn't bang
> Nova was because he didn't want to get the clap.
>
> Hey Jeff, instead of another contest, how about you start a poll-
"How many
> of you would have nailed Nova anyways, regardless of the
consequences!"
>
> Survey says............
>
> =o)
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Message: 19
> > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:08:29 -0000
> > From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > Subject: Re: Dan talks gay because he's...
> >
> > So T, following this logic, you are saying Dan is gay so he can
use
> > the word "Hamslammers"?
> >
> >

Here's another example where I am trying to put things into
perspective by referring to a homosexual in the group. I know of at
least 10 male homosexuals and 2 lesbians on the DG. They do not
wish to make their sexual preferences public (on the whole) and
usually choose to complain quietly to a moderator, or simply leave
the group.

--- Michael Whitty wrote:

>
> I'm looking for answers.
>
> Jeff had a competition in the group entitled "Is Brent Gay?"
>
> It caused some to complain, but it seemed to me ro be an

interesting and somewhat entertaining point.

>
> James, one of the moderators on the group, suggested to Helen and

I (the other two moderators) that it had upset people and should
be "moderated" (deleted before the group sees it).>>


I remember that vaguely. I think I joined right when that was going
down. As a newbie, and because it had already been proposed before I
even joined the list, I didn't feel I had a big enough "voice" to say
anything about it one way or the other.

As you said, it does pose an interesting point, and if handled with
tact and sensitivity it could be an interesting line of discussion.
So even as a lesbian I don't have a real big problem with that one
topic (if handled correctly of course).

<<> Jeff got upset and complained to the "old" chat group where this
has devolved to a guy making a joke about "Hamslammers" and saying
people are "too sensitive".

I take offence to that term, too. I certainly don't think that paying
attention to feelings or trying to be polite and not use
discriminative terms is "too sensitive". I see it as being polite
and sensitive to others and a real "21st Century man". I think you
did the right thing.

<<> Then this:

>

> veetus@earthlink (Jeff).net writes:
> Hamslammers?! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's golden! I have to remember

that. I'll use it in my next contest. - - - Jeff

>
> > From: LordTZer0@A...:

> If you like that one, Jeff you might get a kick out of turd

burglers, or some other classics, like rump wranglers, pillow
biters, chode smokers, or my personal favorite bone smugglers.
Though I must admit ham slammers is a good one. I hadn't hear that
one before.>>

Aaaaall righty then. Isn't that special? <snort>

Stupidity just gets me all riled up. Homophobic stupidity gets me
even more riled up. I know that I (as a lesbian) have it easier than
men who are gay, partially because two women together is some sort of
straight man's fantasy, and if a man is gay is it is somehow
incredibly "threatening" to straight males. No that isn't
right...Insecure straight males. I know many, many good and honest
and caring straight males that would get into a fist fight if
hearing those terms aplied to another human being.

<<

> Surely this is what the people who complained foresaw and sure

enough, it happened. Degrading terms used to describe homosexuals.

> What do you think?>>

I think it is some of the most horrible filth I've ever read on the
internet and if it appeared on a list I was on I'd leave
immediately.

Prejudice, bigotry and homophobia are things I am working very hard
to get people over. I never dismiss hate in any form, never
say "boys will be boys" or "it's harmless". It IS harmful...very,
very much so.

So if you have any say in the matter, I'd suggest removing those
people from the list or at the very least issuing a warning about
posting content. Posting words of hate should *never* be allowed on
any online list filled with civilised people.

At least that's my opinion. : )


Again guys, I'm not flaming or name calling, just trying to
enlighten.

I'm sure I'll be burnt at the stake for it too, but I hope you can
all have a good think about this. Your continuing to exchange fun
names for gays is probably offending SOME people here at least -
wouln't it be wiser to do so in private?

You guys are, in the very least, proving to me that your NOT being
in the DG is a wise desision.

Jeff and Greg #2, I am very disappointed that you choose to chime
in, as I am sure all of the females and homosexuals in both groups
are disguted with your behavior.

Michael

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I do......Dan seems to think if his intentions were innocent and
he's joking, that makes it OK.

SLMMBYC

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/23/2003 5:25:57 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
> Joke or not, name calling is offensive.
>
> Gee, ya think?
>
>
> TPCTKB

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Homosexuals are people too, and they have different opinions on the
matter. I know who the person is and she's very nice. I'm sorry she had to
hear that stuff out of context. Doesn't change my opinion of the contest
(it's valid) or it's censorship. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Perspective


> Here's another example where I am trying to put things into
> perspective by referring to a homosexual in the group. I know of at
> least 10 male homosexuals and 2 lesbians on the DG. They do not
> wish to make their sexual preferences public (on the whole) and
> usually choose to complain quietly to a moderator, or simply leave
> the group.
>
> --- Michael Whitty wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking for answers.
> >
> > Jeff had a competition in the group entitled "Is Brent Gay?"
> >
> > It caused some to complain, but it seemed to me ro be an
> interesting and somewhat entertaining point.
> >
> > James, one of the moderators on the group, suggested to Helen and
> I (the other two moderators) that it had upset people and should
> be "moderated" (deleted before the group sees it).>>
>
>
> I remember that vaguely. I think I joined right when that was going
> down. As a newbie, and because it had already been proposed before I
> even joined the list, I didn't feel I had a big enough "voice" to say
> anything about it one way or the other.
>
> As you said, it does pose an interesting point, and if handled with
> tact and sensitivity it could be an interesting line of discussion.
> So even as a lesbian I don't have a real big problem with that one
> topic (if handled correctly of course).
>
> <<> Jeff got upset and complained to the "old" chat group where this
> has devolved to a guy making a joke about "Hamslammers" and saying
> people are "too sensitive".
>
> I take offence to that term, too. I certainly don't think that paying
> attention to feelings or trying to be polite and not use
> discriminative terms is "too sensitive". I see it as being polite
> and sensitive to others and a real "21st Century man". I think you
> did the right thing.
>
> <<> Then this:
> >
>
> > veetus@earthlink (Jeff).net writes:
> > Hamslammers?! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's golden! I have to remember
> that. I'll use it in my next contest. - - - Jeff
> >
> > > From: LordTZer0@A...:
>
> > If you like that one, Jeff you might get a kick out of turd
> burglers, or some other classics, like rump wranglers, pillow
> biters, chode smokers, or my personal favorite bone smugglers.
> Though I must admit ham slammers is a good one. I hadn't hear that
> one before.>>
>
> Aaaaall righty then. Isn't that special? <snort>
>
> Stupidity just gets me all riled up. Homophobic stupidity gets me
> even more riled up. I know that I (as a lesbian) have it easier than
> men who are gay, partially because two women together is some sort of
> straight man's fantasy, and if a man is gay is it is somehow
> incredibly "threatening" to straight males. No that isn't
> right...Insecure straight males. I know many, many good and honest
> and caring straight males that would get into a fist fight if
> hearing those terms aplied to another human being.
>
> <<
> > Surely this is what the people who complained foresaw and sure
> enough, it happened. Degrading terms used to describe homosexuals.
>
> > What do you think?>>
>
> I think it is some of the most horrible filth I've ever read on the
> internet and if it appeared on a list I was on I'd leave
> immediately.
>
> Prejudice, bigotry and homophobia are things I am working very hard
> to get people over. I never dismiss hate in any form, never
> say "boys will be boys" or "it's harmless". It IS harmful...very,
> very much so.
>
> So if you have any say in the matter, I'd suggest removing those
> people from the list or at the very least issuing a warning about
> posting content. Posting words of hate should *never* be allowed on
> any online list filled with civilised people.
>
> At least that's my opinion. : )
>
>
> Again guys, I'm not flaming or name calling, just trying to
> enlighten.
>
> I'm sure I'll be burnt at the stake for it too, but I hope you can
> all have a good think about this. Your continuing to exchange fun
> names for gays is probably offending SOME people here at least -
> wouln't it be wiser to do so in private?
>
> You guys are, in the very least, proving to me that your NOT being
> in the DG is a wise desision.
>
> Jeff and Greg #2, I am very disappointed that you choose to chime
> in, as I am sure all of the females and homosexuals in both groups
> are disguted with your behavior.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>

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Class Project: After the holidays, let's go through the archives and see
if Mr. Whitty has any gay jokes in his repertoire. We can round 'em all up
and send them to "the homosexual" and get some advice about what to do about
him. He's got to learn that people can take things the wrong way. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Perspective


> Here's another example where I am trying to put things into
> perspective by referring to a homosexual in the group. I know of at
> least 10 male homosexuals and 2 lesbians on the DG. They do not
> wish to make their sexual preferences public (on the whole) and
> usually choose to complain quietly to a moderator, or simply leave
> the group.
>
> --- Michael Whitty wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking for answers.
> >
> > Jeff had a competition in the group entitled "Is Brent Gay?"
> >
> > It caused some to complain, but it seemed to me ro be an
> interesting and somewhat entertaining point.
> >
> > James, one of the moderators on the group, suggested to Helen and
> I (the other two moderators) that it had upset people and should
> be "moderated" (deleted before the group sees it).>>
>
>
> I remember that vaguely. I think I joined right when that was going
> down. As a newbie, and because it had already been proposed before I
> even joined the list, I didn't feel I had a big enough "voice" to say
> anything about it one way or the other.
>
> As you said, it does pose an interesting point, and if handled with
> tact and sensitivity it could be an interesting line of discussion.
> So even as a lesbian I don't have a real big problem with that one
> topic (if handled correctly of course).
>
> <<> Jeff got upset and complained to the "old" chat group where this
> has devolved to a guy making a joke about "Hamslammers" and saying
> people are "too sensitive".
>
> I take offence to that term, too. I certainly don't think that paying
> attention to feelings or trying to be polite and not use
> discriminative terms is "too sensitive". I see it as being polite
> and sensitive to others and a real "21st Century man". I think you
> did the right thing.
>
> <<> Then this:
> >
>
> > veetus@earthlink (Jeff).net writes:
> > Hamslammers?! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's golden! I have to remember
> that. I'll use it in my next contest. - - - Jeff
> >
> > > From: LordTZer0@A...:
>
> > If you like that one, Jeff you might get a kick out of turd
> burglers, or some other classics, like rump wranglers, pillow
> biters, chode smokers, or my personal favorite bone smugglers.
> Though I must admit ham slammers is a good one. I hadn't hear that
> one before.>>
>
> Aaaaall righty then. Isn't that special? <snort>
>
> Stupidity just gets me all riled up. Homophobic stupidity gets me
> even more riled up. I know that I (as a lesbian) have it easier than
> men who are gay, partially because two women together is some sort of
> straight man's fantasy, and if a man is gay is it is somehow
> incredibly "threatening" to straight males. No that isn't
> right...Insecure straight males. I know many, many good and honest
> and caring straight males that would get into a fist fight if
> hearing those terms aplied to another human being.
>
> <<
> > Surely this is what the people who complained foresaw and sure
> enough, it happened. Degrading terms used to describe homosexuals.
>
> > What do you think?>>
>
> I think it is some of the most horrible filth I've ever read on the
> internet and if it appeared on a list I was on I'd leave
> immediately.
>
> Prejudice, bigotry and homophobia are things I am working very hard
> to get people over. I never dismiss hate in any form, never
> say "boys will be boys" or "it's harmless". It IS harmful...very,
> very much so.
>
> So if you have any say in the matter, I'd suggest removing those
> people from the list or at the very least issuing a warning about
> posting content. Posting words of hate should *never* be allowed on
> any online list filled with civilised people.
>
> At least that's my opinion. : )
>
>
> Again guys, I'm not flaming or name calling, just trying to
> enlighten.
>
> I'm sure I'll be burnt at the stake for it too, but I hope you can
> all have a good think about this. Your continuing to exchange fun
> names for gays is probably offending SOME people here at least -
> wouln't it be wiser to do so in private?
>
> You guys are, in the very least, proving to me that your NOT being
> in the DG is a wise desision.
>
> Jeff and Greg #2, I am very disappointed that you choose to chime
> in, as I am sure all of the females and homosexuals in both groups
> are disguted with your behavior.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>

Well if you know who it is and you feel misrepresented, then you
should approach the person in question and put forward your points
too.

Frankly, I think the context is well summarised, but if I am wrong
please let me know.

It is the namecalling that is the issue, not the contest or the
moderating. Do you still think you did the right thing
saying "that's hilarious, I'll have to remember that one"?

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Homosexuals are people too, and they have different opinions on
the
> matter. I know who the person is and she's very nice. I'm sorry
she had to
> hear that stuff out of context. Doesn't change my opinion of the
contest
> (it's valid) or it's censorship. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:54 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Perspective
>
>
> > Here's another example where I am trying to put things into
> > perspective by referring to a homosexual in the group. I know
of at
> > least 10 male homosexuals and 2 lesbians on the DG. They do not
> > wish to make their sexual preferences public (on the whole) and
> > usually choose to complain quietly to a moderator, or simply
leave
> > the group.
> >
> > --- Michael Whitty wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm looking for answers.
> > >
> > > Jeff had a competition in the group entitled "Is Brent Gay?"
> > >
> > > It caused some to complain, but it seemed to me ro be an
> > interesting and somewhat entertaining point.
> > >
> > > James, one of the moderators on the group, suggested to Helen
and
> > I (the other two moderators) that it had upset people and should
> > be "moderated" (deleted before the group sees it).>>
> >
> >
> > I remember that vaguely. I think I joined right when that was
going
> > down. As a newbie, and because it had already been proposed
before I
> > even joined the list, I didn't feel I had a big enough "voice"
to say
> > anything about it one way or the other.
> >
> > As you said, it does pose an interesting point, and if handled
with
> > tact and sensitivity it could be an interesting line of
discussion.
> > So even as a lesbian I don't have a real big problem with that
one
> > topic (if handled correctly of course).
> >
> > <<> Jeff got upset and complained to the "old" chat group where
this
> > has devolved to a guy making a joke about "Hamslammers" and
saying
> > people are "too sensitive".
> >
> > I take offence to that term, too. I certainly don't think that
paying
> > attention to feelings or trying to be polite and not use
> > discriminative terms is "too sensitive". I see it as being polite
> > and sensitive to others and a real "21st Century man". I think
you
> > did the right thing.
> >
> > <<> Then this:
> > >
> >
> > > veetus@earthlink (Jeff).net writes:
> > > Hamslammers?! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's golden! I have to
remember
> > that. I'll use it in my next contest. - - - Jeff
> > >
> > > > From: LordTZer0@A...:
> >
> > > If you like that one, Jeff you might get a kick out of turd
> > burglers, or some other classics, like rump wranglers, pillow
> > biters, chode smokers, or my personal favorite bone smugglers.
> > Though I must admit ham slammers is a good one. I hadn't hear
that
> > one before.>>
> >
> > Aaaaall righty then. Isn't that special? <snort>
> >
> > Stupidity just gets me all riled up. Homophobic stupidity gets me
> > even more riled up. I know that I (as a lesbian) have it easier
than
> > men who are gay, partially because two women together is some
sort of
> > straight man's fantasy, and if a man is gay is it is somehow
> > incredibly "threatening" to straight males. No that isn't
> > right...Insecure straight males. I know many, many good and
honest
> > and caring straight males that would get into a fist fight if
> > hearing those terms aplied to another human being.
> >
> > <<
> > > Surely this is what the people who complained foresaw and sure
> > enough, it happened. Degrading terms used to describe
homosexuals.
> >
> > > What do you think?>>
> >
> > I think it is some of the most horrible filth I've ever read on
the
> > internet and if it appeared on a list I was on I'd leave
> > immediately.
> >
> > Prejudice, bigotry and homophobia are things I am working very
hard
> > to get people over. I never dismiss hate in any form, never
> > say "boys will be boys" or "it's harmless". It IS harmful...very,
> > very much so.
> >
> > So if you have any say in the matter, I'd suggest removing those
> > people from the list or at the very least issuing a warning about
> > posting content. Posting words of hate should *never* be allowed
on
> > any online list filled with civilised people.
> >
> > At least that's my opinion. : )
> >
> >
> > Again guys, I'm not flaming or name calling, just trying to
> > enlighten.
> >
> > I'm sure I'll be burnt at the stake for it too, but I hope you
can
> > all have a good think about this. Your continuing to exchange
fun
> > names for gays is probably offending SOME people here at least -
> > wouln't it be wiser to do so in private?
> >
> > You guys are, in the very least, proving to me that your NOT
being
> > in the DG is a wise desision.
> >
> > Jeff and Greg #2, I am very disappointed that you choose to chime
> > in, as I am sure all of the females and homosexuals in both
groups
> > are disguted with your behavior.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Sounds like a great idea and a valuable project for a Planet of the
Apes group. Or then again, maybe it belongs on a different group
altogether. But anyway, do let me know what you come up with...I
don't think you'll have much joy.

If you do however, I can bet my approach wouldn't be the arrogant,
self adoring "Oh well, I shouldn't have done that but I was angry so
it's OK!". It would be more like "I never should have said that and
I'll make every effort not do do it again".

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Class Project: After the holidays, let's go through the archives
and see
> if Mr. Whitty has any gay jokes in his repertoire. We can
round 'em all up
> and send them to "the homosexual" and get some advice about what
to do about
> him. He's got to learn that people can take things the wrong way. -
- - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:54 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Perspective
>
>
> > Here's another example where I am trying to put things into
> > perspective by referring to a homosexual in the group. I know
of at
> > least 10 male homosexuals and 2 lesbians on the DG. They do not
> > wish to make their sexual preferences public (on the whole) and
> > usually choose to complain quietly to a moderator, or simply
leave
> > the group.
> >
> > --- Michael Whitty wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm looking for answers.
> > >
> > > Jeff had a competition in the group entitled "Is Brent Gay?"
> > >
> > > It caused some to complain, but it seemed to me ro be an
> > interesting and somewhat entertaining point.
> > >
> > > James, one of the moderators on the group, suggested to Helen
and
> > I (the other two moderators) that it had upset people and should
> > be "moderated" (deleted before the group sees it).>>
> >
> >
> > I remember that vaguely. I think I joined right when that was
going
> > down. As a newbie, and because it had already been proposed
before I
> > even joined the list, I didn't feel I had a big enough "voice"
to say
> > anything about it one way or the other.
> >
> > As you said, it does pose an interesting point, and if handled
with
> > tact and sensitivity it could be an interesting line of
discussion.
> > So even as a lesbian I don't have a real big problem with that
one
> > topic (if handled correctly of course).
> >
> > <<> Jeff got upset and complained to the "old" chat group where
this
> > has devolved to a guy making a joke about "Hamslammers" and
saying
> > people are "too sensitive".
> >
> > I take offence to that term, too. I certainly don't think that
paying
> > attention to feelings or trying to be polite and not use
> > discriminative terms is "too sensitive". I see it as being polite
> > and sensitive to others and a real "21st Century man". I think
you
> > did the right thing.
> >
> > <<> Then this:
> > >
> >
> > > veetus@earthlink (Jeff).net writes:
> > > Hamslammers?! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's golden! I have to
remember
> > that. I'll use it in my next contest. - - - Jeff
> > >
> > > > From: LordTZer0@A...:
> >
> > > If you like that one, Jeff you might get a kick out of turd
> > burglers, or some other classics, like rump wranglers, pillow
> > biters, chode smokers, or my personal favorite bone smugglers.
> > Though I must admit ham slammers is a good one. I hadn't hear
that
> > one before.>>
> >
> > Aaaaall righty then. Isn't that special? <snort>
> >
> > Stupidity just gets me all riled up. Homophobic stupidity gets me
> > even more riled up. I know that I (as a lesbian) have it easier
than
> > men who are gay, partially because two women together is some
sort of
> > straight man's fantasy, and if a man is gay is it is somehow
> > incredibly "threatening" to straight males. No that isn't
> > right...Insecure straight males. I know many, many good and
honest
> > and caring straight males that would get into a fist fight if
> > hearing those terms aplied to another human being.
> >
> > <<
> > > Surely this is what the people who complained foresaw and sure
> > enough, it happened. Degrading terms used to describe
homosexuals.
> >
> > > What do you think?>>
> >
> > I think it is some of the most horrible filth I've ever read on
the
> > internet and if it appeared on a list I was on I'd leave
> > immediately.
> >
> > Prejudice, bigotry and homophobia are things I am working very
hard
> > to get people over. I never dismiss hate in any form, never
> > say "boys will be boys" or "it's harmless". It IS harmful...very,
> > very much so.
> >
> > So if you have any say in the matter, I'd suggest removing those
> > people from the list or at the very least issuing a warning about
> > posting content. Posting words of hate should *never* be allowed
on
> > any online list filled with civilised people.
> >
> > At least that's my opinion. : )
> >
> >
> > Again guys, I'm not flaming or name calling, just trying to
> > enlighten.
> >
> > I'm sure I'll be burnt at the stake for it too, but I hope you
can
> > all have a good think about this. Your continuing to exchange
fun
> > names for gays is probably offending SOME people here at least -
> > wouln't it be wiser to do so in private?
> >
> > You guys are, in the very least, proving to me that your NOT
being
> > in the DG is a wise desision.
> >
> > Jeff and Greg #2, I am very disappointed that you choose to chime
> > in, as I am sure all of the females and homosexuals in both
groups
> > are disguted with your behavior.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

.html <.html

I'm with LordT, too, Jeff. He was 100% correct about Michael,
unfortunately. Michael's the one who's taking strides to keep this going
with all that shit about interviewing his amigos and getting their opinion.
He's just going further to paint me as someone I'm not. If that makes his
Christmas happy, so be it- he's the one discriminating me over a simple joke
and Jeff over his contest. After all the info Jeff has provided for the the
group, by banning his message about the winner of his contest it makes Jeff
look like a deadbeat who doesn't deliver. This is Jeff, for Pete's sake?
Maybe Whitty's jealous he doesn't have the contacts in the POTA world Jeff
does. Next time Jeff makes a heterosexual joke to me, I'm going to get all
offended, tell my wife, we're gonna play the boo-hoo hetero-card, pretend
like we're so attention starved and act like we're just dying to tell the
world that my wife and I enjoy making love to each other, etc. etc. blah
blah blah, etc. etc. blah blah. Can't take a joke? Call Whitty Whitty &
Whitty, your attorneys who will take your case regardless of how silly it
is. That's 1-800-MIK-WHITTY.

Have a good Christmas, T & Jeff, thanks for being real.

Dan




Message: 12
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:06:49 EST
From: LordTZer0@...
Subject: Re: Perspective

Just ignore him Jeff. You know it used to be fun to take the Mickey out of
Mickey, but I can't read his drivel any more. I'm just going to start
deleting
his posts unread. Nothing anyone says seems to get through to the guy. So
why let anything of his get through?


[This message contained attachments]



____________ ____________

I said that as a shot at political correctness, not as a shot at gays. No,
I don't think the "h" word is particularly funny. And I respect your
correspondant's opinion, but I don't share it. There is such a thing as
humor (in the proper context). I guess all the folks who pick up awards for
"Will and Grace" are homophobes too, huh? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perspective


> Well if you know who it is and you feel misrepresented, then you
> should approach the person in question and put forward your points
> too.
>
> Frankly, I think the context is well summarised, but if I am wrong
> please let me know.
>
> It is the namecalling that is the issue, not the contest or the
> moderating. Do you still think you did the right thing
> saying "that's hilarious, I'll have to remember that one"?
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Homosexuals are people too, and they have different opinions on
> the
> > matter. I know who the person is and she's very nice. I'm sorry
> she had to
> > hear that stuff out of context. Doesn't change my opinion of the
> contest
> > (it's valid) or it's censorship. - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:54 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Perspective
> >
> >
> > > Here's another example where I am trying to put things into
> > > perspective by referring to a homosexual in the group. I know
> of at
> > > least 10 male homosexuals and 2 lesbians on the DG. They do not
> > > wish to make their sexual preferences public (on the whole) and
> > > usually choose to complain quietly to a moderator, or simply
> leave
> > > the group.
> > >
> > > --- Michael Whitty wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking for answers.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff had a competition in the group entitled "Is Brent Gay?"
> > > >
> > > > It caused some to complain, but it seemed to me ro be an
> > > interesting and somewhat entertaining point.
> > > >
> > > > James, one of the moderators on the group, suggested to Helen
> and
> > > I (the other two moderators) that it had upset people and should
> > > be "moderated" (deleted before the group sees it).>>
> > >
> > >
> > > I remember that vaguely. I think I joined right when that was
> going
> > > down. As a newbie, and because it had already been proposed
> before I
> > > even joined the list, I didn't feel I had a big enough "voice"
> to say
> > > anything about it one way or the other.
> > >
> > > As you said, it does pose an interesting point, and if handled
> with
> > > tact and sensitivity it could be an interesting line of
> discussion.
> > > So even as a lesbian I don't have a real big problem with that
> one
> > > topic (if handled correctly of course).
> > >
> > > <<> Jeff got upset and complained to the "old" chat group where
> this
> > > has devolved to a guy making a joke about "Hamslammers" and
> saying
> > > people are "too sensitive".
> > >
> > > I take offence to that term, too. I certainly don't think that
> paying
> > > attention to feelings or trying to be polite and not use
> > > discriminative terms is "too sensitive". I see it as being polite
> > > and sensitive to others and a real "21st Century man". I think
> you
> > > did the right thing.
> > >
> > > <<> Then this:
> > > >
> > >
> > > > veetus@earthlink (Jeff).net writes:
> > > > Hamslammers?! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's golden! I have to
> remember
> > > that. I'll use it in my next contest. - - - Jeff
> > > >
> > > > > From: LordTZer0@A...:
> > >
> > > > If you like that one, Jeff you might get a kick out of turd
> > > burglers, or some other classics, like rump wranglers, pillow
> > > biters, chode smokers, or my personal favorite bone smugglers.
> > > Though I must admit ham slammers is a good one. I hadn't hear
> that
> > > one before.>>
> > >
> > > Aaaaall righty then. Isn't that special? <snort>
> > >
> > > Stupidity just gets me all riled up. Homophobic stupidity gets me
> > > even more riled up. I know that I (as a lesbian) have it easier
> than
> > > men who are gay, partially because two women together is some
> sort of
> > > straight man's fantasy, and if a man is gay is it is somehow
> > > incredibly "threatening" to straight males. No that isn't
> > > right...Insecure straight males. I know many, many good and
> honest
> > > and caring straight males that would get into a fist fight if
> > > hearing those terms aplied to another human being.
> > >
> > > <<
> > > > Surely this is what the people who complained foresaw and sure
> > > enough, it happened. Degrading terms used to describe
> homosexuals.
> > >
> > > > What do you think?>>
> > >
> > > I think it is some of the most horrible filth I've ever read on
> the
> > > internet and if it appeared on a list I was on I'd leave
> > > immediately.
> > >
> > > Prejudice, bigotry and homophobia are things I am working very
> hard
> > > to get people over. I never dismiss hate in any form, never
> > > say "boys will be boys" or "it's harmless". It IS harmful...very,
> > > very much so.
> > >
> > > So if you have any say in the matter, I'd suggest removing those
> > > people from the list or at the very least issuing a warning about
> > > posting content. Posting words of hate should *never* be allowed
> on
> > > any online list filled with civilised people.
> > >
> > > At least that's my opinion. : )
> > >
> > >
> > > Again guys, I'm not flaming or name calling, just trying to
> > > enlighten.
> > >
> > > I'm sure I'll be burnt at the stake for it too, but I hope you
> can
> > > all have a good think about this. Your continuing to exchange
> fun
> > > names for gays is probably offending SOME people here at least -
> > > wouln't it be wiser to do so in private?
> > >
> > > You guys are, in the very least, proving to me that your NOT
> being
> > > in the DG is a wise desision.
> > >
> > > Jeff and Greg #2, I am very disappointed that you choose to chime
> > > in, as I am sure all of the females and homosexuals in both
> groups
> > > are disguted with your behavior.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>

You have a good Christmas too, you insecure straight guy, you. My best to
the family. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1796


> I'm with LordT, too, Jeff. He was 100% correct about Michael,
> unfortunately. Michael's the one who's taking strides to keep this going
> with all that shit about interviewing his amigos and getting their
opinion.
> He's just going further to paint me as someone I'm not. If that makes his
> Christmas happy, so be it- he's the one discriminating me over a simple
joke
> and Jeff over his contest. After all the info Jeff has provided for the
the
> group, by banning his message about the winner of his contest it makes
Jeff
> look like a deadbeat who doesn't deliver. This is Jeff, for Pete's sake?
> Maybe Whitty's jealous he doesn't have the contacts in the POTA world Jeff
> does. Next time Jeff makes a heterosexual joke to me, I'm going to get
all
> offended, tell my wife, we're gonna play the boo-hoo hetero-card, pretend
> like we're so attention starved and act like we're just dying to tell the
> world that my wife and I enjoy making love to each other, etc. etc. blah
> blah blah, etc. etc. blah blah. Can't take a joke? Call Whitty Whitty &
> Whitty, your attorneys who will take your case regardless of how silly it
> is. That's 1-800-MIK-WHITTY.
>
> Have a good Christmas, T & Jeff, thanks for being real.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:06:49 EST
> From: LordTZer0@...
> Subject: Re: Perspective
>
> Just ignore him Jeff. You know it used to be fun to take the Mickey out
of
> Mickey, but I can't read his drivel any more. I'm just going to start
> deleting
> his posts unread. Nothing anyone says seems to get through to the guy.
So
> why let anything of his get through?
>
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
>
>
> ____________ > ____________

"Are there any queers in the theatre tonight?
Get 'em up against the Wall!
There's one in the spotlight,
He don't look right to me
Get him up against the Wall"

- - - Roger Waters, homophobe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perspective


> Well if you know who it is and you feel misrepresented, then you
> should approach the person in question and put forward your points
> too.
>
> Frankly, I think the context is well summarised, but if I am wrong
> please let me know.
>
> It is the namecalling that is the issue, not the contest or the
> moderating. Do you still think you did the right thing
> saying "that's hilarious, I'll have to remember that one"?
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Homosexuals are people too, and they have different opinions on
> the
> > matter. I know who the person is and she's very nice. I'm sorry
> she had to
> > hear that stuff out of context. Doesn't change my opinion of the
> contest
> > (it's valid) or it's censorship. - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:54 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Perspective
> >
> >
> > > Here's another example where I am trying to put things into
> > > perspective by referring to a homosexual in the group. I know
> of at
> > > least 10 male homosexuals and 2 lesbians on the DG. They do not
> > > wish to make their sexual preferences public (on the whole) and
> > > usually choose to complain quietly to a moderator, or simply
> leave
> > > the group.
> > >
> > > --- Michael Whitty wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking for answers.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff had a competition in the group entitled "Is Brent Gay?"
> > > >
> > > > It caused some to complain, but it seemed to me ro be an
> > > interesting and somewhat entertaining point.
> > > >
> > > > James, one of the moderators on the group, suggested to Helen
> and
> > > I (the other two moderators) that it had upset people and should
> > > be "moderated" (deleted before the group sees it).>>
> > >
> > >
> > > I remember that vaguely. I think I joined right when that was
> going
> > > down. As a newbie, and because it had already been proposed
> before I
> > > even joined the list, I didn't feel I had a big enough "voice"
> to say
> > > anything about it one way or the other.
> > >
> > > As you said, it does pose an interesting point, and if handled
> with
> > > tact and sensitivity it could be an interesting line of
> discussion.
> > > So even as a lesbian I don't have a real big problem with that
> one
> > > topic (if handled correctly of course).
> > >
> > > <<> Jeff got upset and complained to the "old" chat group where
> this
> > > has devolved to a guy making a joke about "Hamslammers" and
> saying
> > > people are "too sensitive".
> > >
> > > I take offence to that term, too. I certainly don't think that
> paying
> > > attention to feelings or trying to be polite and not use
> > > discriminative terms is "too sensitive". I see it as being polite
> > > and sensitive to others and a real "21st Century man". I think
> you
> > > did the right thing.
> > >
> > > <<> Then this:
> > > >
> > >
> > > > veetus@earthlink (Jeff).net writes:
> > > > Hamslammers?! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's golden! I have to
> remember
> > > that. I'll use it in my next contest. - - - Jeff
> > > >
> > > > > From: LordTZer0@A...:
> > >
> > > > If you like that one, Jeff you might get a kick out of turd
> > > burglers, or some other classics, like rump wranglers, pillow
> > > biters, chode smokers, or my personal favorite bone smugglers.
> > > Though I must admit ham slammers is a good one. I hadn't hear
> that
> > > one before.>>
> > >
> > > Aaaaall righty then. Isn't that special? <snort>
> > >
> > > Stupidity just gets me all riled up. Homophobic stupidity gets me
> > > even more riled up. I know that I (as a lesbian) have it easier
> than
> > > men who are gay, partially because two women together is some
> sort of
> > > straight man's fantasy, and if a man is gay is it is somehow
> > > incredibly "threatening" to straight males. No that isn't
> > > right...Insecure straight males. I know many, many good and
> honest
> > > and caring straight males that would get into a fist fight if
> > > hearing those terms aplied to another human being.
> > >
> > > <<
> > > > Surely this is what the people who complained foresaw and sure
> > > enough, it happened. Degrading terms used to describe
> homosexuals.
> > >
> > > > What do you think?>>
> > >
> > > I think it is some of the most horrible filth I've ever read on
> the
> > > internet and if it appeared on a list I was on I'd leave
> > > immediately.
> > >
> > > Prejudice, bigotry and homophobia are things I am working very
> hard
> > > to get people over. I never dismiss hate in any form, never
> > > say "boys will be boys" or "it's harmless". It IS harmful...very,
> > > very much so.
> > >
> > > So if you have any say in the matter, I'd suggest removing those
> > > people from the list or at the very least issuing a warning about
> > > posting content. Posting words of hate should *never* be allowed
> on
> > > any online list filled with civilised people.
> > >
> > > At least that's my opinion. : )
> > >
> > >
> > > Again guys, I'm not flaming or name calling, just trying to
> > > enlighten.
> > >
> > > I'm sure I'll be burnt at the stake for it too, but I hope you
> can
> > > all have a good think about this. Your continuing to exchange
> fun
> > > names for gays is probably offending SOME people here at least -
> > > wouln't it be wiser to do so in private?
> > >
> > > You guys are, in the very least, proving to me that your NOT
> being
> > > in the DG is a wise desision.
> > >
> > > Jeff and Greg #2, I am very disappointed that you choose to chime
> > > in, as I am sure all of the females and homosexuals in both
> groups
> > > are disguted with your behavior.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>

.html <.html

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. My "h" post has caused waaaay
much more trouble than it was worth and again, I used the word as a
joke, not intended to be interpreted as racist, homophobic, ignorant,
rude, vulgar, etc. etc. I can't say it much more without sounding
like a broken record, I can't be more honest than that- I'M NOT
PREDJUDICE, MR. WHITTY! Certain monikers are okay with the gay
community, I obviously used one that wasn't. Again, unintentional.
We can move on, knowing that I won't poke fun again, or Mr. Whitty
can continue to survey his friends and try to crucify me.

And anyone that sees Mr. Whitty as their hero, or the hero he's
trying to become, Michael sent me a somewhat fair e-mail outside the
group a few days ago talking about the "h" word, sensitivity, wanting
to end our "war" and such. He also said that anytime I wanted to
swap gay jokes with him outside the group, I could do so "anytime" as
he put it. I never once mentioned I wanted to swap jokes with him or
anyone, but I only mention this because since I politically-correctly
interpret the word "swap" as a two way street, it's proof that Mr.
Whitty, too, has a sense of humour with the gay community. I
certainly don't think Michael is racist or predjudice, but if you're
gonna try and make me out to be some sort of bigot, look in the
mirror, my friend. You're human, too, and God bless you if you've
never had something you said or typed be misinterpreted. I said it
before (but I couldn't help following up on some of Jeff's jokes, I'm
sorry about that- he's such a bad influence on me, that guy!),but
that's my last word on this subject.

Peace to all, have a good Christmas.

Dan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I said that as a shot at political correctness, not as a shot at
gays. No,
> I don't think the "h" word is particularly funny. And I respect your
> correspondant's opinion, but I don't share it. There is such a
thing as
> humor (in the proper context). I guess all the folks who pick up
awards for
> "Will and Grace" are homophobes too, huh? - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perspective
>
>
> > Well if you know who it is and you feel misrepresented, then you
> > should approach the person in question and put forward your points
> > too.
> >
> > Frankly, I think the context is well summarised, but if I am wrong
> > please let me know.
> >
> > It is the namecalling that is the issue, not the contest or the
> > moderating. Do you still think you did the right thing
> > saying "that's hilarious, I'll have to remember that one"?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > Homosexuals are people too, and they have different opinions
on
> > the
> > > matter. I know who the person is and she's very nice. I'm sorry
> > she had to
> > > hear that stuff out of context. Doesn't change my opinion of the
> > contest
> > > (it's valid) or it's censorship. - - - Jeff
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:54 PM
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Perspective
> > >
> > >
> > > > Here's another example where I am trying to put things into
> > > > perspective by referring to a homosexual in the group. I know
> > of at
> > > > least 10 male homosexuals and 2 lesbians on the DG. They do
not
> > > > wish to make their sexual preferences public (on the whole)
and
> > > > usually choose to complain quietly to a moderator, or simply
> > leave
> > > > the group.
> > > >
> > > > --- Michael Whitty wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm looking for answers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff had a competition in the group entitled "Is Brent Gay?"
> > > > >
> > > > > It caused some to complain, but it seemed to me ro be an
> > > > interesting and somewhat entertaining point.
> > > > >
> > > > > James, one of the moderators on the group, suggested to
Helen
> > and
> > > > I (the other two moderators) that it had upset people and
should
> > > > be "moderated" (deleted before the group sees it).>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I remember that vaguely. I think I joined right when that was
> > going
> > > > down. As a newbie, and because it had already been proposed
> > before I
> > > > even joined the list, I didn't feel I had a big enough "voice"
> > to say
> > > > anything about it one way or the other.
> > > >
> > > > As you said, it does pose an interesting point, and if handled
> > with
> > > > tact and sensitivity it could be an interesting line of
> > discussion.
> > > > So even as a lesbian I don't have a real big problem with that
> > one
> > > > topic (if handled correctly of course).
> > > >
> > > > <<> Jeff got upset and complained to the "old" chat group
where
> > this
> > > > has devolved to a guy making a joke about "Hamslammers" and
> > saying
> > > > people are "too sensitive".
> > > >
> > > > I take offence to that term, too. I certainly don't think that
> > paying
> > > > attention to feelings or trying to be polite and not use
> > > > discriminative terms is "too sensitive". I see it as being
polite
> > > > and sensitive to others and a real "21st Century man". I think
> > you
> > > > did the right thing.
> > > >
> > > > <<> Then this:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > veetus@earthlink (Jeff).net writes:
> > > > > Hamslammers?! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's golden! I have to
> > remember
> > > > that. I'll use it in my next contest. - - - Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: LordTZer0@A...:
> > > >
> > > > > If you like that one, Jeff you might get a kick out of turd
> > > > burglers, or some other classics, like rump wranglers, pillow
> > > > biters, chode smokers, or my personal favorite bone smugglers.
> > > > Though I must admit ham slammers is a good one. I hadn't hear
> > that
> > > > one before.>>
> > > >
> > > > Aaaaall righty then. Isn't that special? <snort>
> > > >
> > > > Stupidity just gets me all riled up. Homophobic stupidity
gets me
> > > > even more riled up. I know that I (as a lesbian) have it
easier
> > than
> > > > men who are gay, partially because two women together is some
> > sort of
> > > > straight man's fantasy, and if a man is gay is it is somehow
> > > > incredibly "threatening" to straight males. No that isn't
> > > > right...Insecure straight males. I know many, many good and
> > honest
> > > > and caring straight males that would get into a fist fight if
> > > > hearing those terms aplied to another human being.
> > > >
> > > > <<
> > > > > Surely this is what the people who complained foresaw and
sure
> > > > enough, it happened. Degrading terms used to describe
> > homosexuals.
> > > >
> > > > > What do you think?>>
> > > >
> > > > I think it is some of the most horrible filth I've ever read
on
> > the
> > > > internet and if it appeared on a list I was on I'd leave
> > > > immediately.
> > > >
> > > > Prejudice, bigotry and homophobia are things I am working very
> > hard
> > > > to get people over. I never dismiss hate in any form, never
> > > > say "boys will be boys" or "it's harmless". It IS
harmful...very,
> > > > very much so.
> > > >
> > > > So if you have any say in the matter, I'd suggest removing
those
> > > > people from the list or at the very least issuing a warning
about
> > > > posting content. Posting words of hate should *never* be
allowed
> > on
> > > > any online list filled with civilised people.
> > > >
> > > > At least that's my opinion. : )
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Again guys, I'm not flaming or name calling, just trying to
> > > > enlighten.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure I'll be burnt at the stake for it too, but I hope you
> > can
> > > > all have a good think about this. Your continuing to exchange
> > fun
> > > > names for gays is probably offending SOME people here at
least -
> > > > wouln't it be wiser to do so in private?
> > > >
> > > > You guys are, in the very least, proving to me that your NOT
> > being
> > > > in the DG is a wise desision.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff and Greg #2, I am very disappointed that you choose to
chime
> > > > in, as I am sure all of the females and homosexuals in both
> > groups
> > > > are disguted with your behavior.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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You've met Kim, T?
You're very lucky. I sent her an INKWORKS Zira card back in '99
asking her to autograph it. She sent it back in what couldn't have
been more than two weeks autographed on both front and back (the back
had a photo of Kim without the POTA makeup).
While I'm on the topic, I heard back from James Gregory the same
year, he signed an INKWORKS Ursus card for me front and back- the
front said "Ursus" and back said "James Gregory". He included a few
other items as well.
I treasure both cards, that was my only link to them. It's a shame
neither are longer with us.

Dan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/24/2003 9:06:08 AM Central Standard Time,
> mystic4ever@s... writes:
> This is Jeff, for Pete's sake? Maybe Whitty's jealous he doesn't
have the
> contacts in the POTA world Jeff does.
>
> Sounds like as good a theory as any for his behavior. He once
asked me what
> Kim Hunter would think about some of the language I was using.
When I told
> him that Kim said "Shit" when she spilled her drink, that just
seemed to make
> him angrier. It burst his bubble.

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Kim was a wonderful lady, always took time for the fans. The only thing
she wouldn't do is do an interview through the mail. Well, maybe there's
other things she wouldn't do, but I didn't ask, ahem. And Heston, too. Kim
said she would often receive the famed "kiss" photo in the mail to autograph
and Heston had already signed them. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:15 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Kim Hunter


> You've met Kim, T?
> You're very lucky. I sent her an INKWORKS Zira card back in '99
> asking her to autograph it. She sent it back in what couldn't have
> been more than two weeks autographed on both front and back (the back
> had a photo of Kim without the POTA makeup).
> While I'm on the topic, I heard back from James Gregory the same
> year, he signed an INKWORKS Ursus card for me front and back- the
> front said "Ursus" and back said "James Gregory". He included a few
> other items as well.
> I treasure both cards, that was my only link to them. It's a shame
> neither are longer with us.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > In a message dated 12/24/2003 9:06:08 AM Central Standard Time,
> > mystic4ever@s... writes:
> > This is Jeff, for Pete's sake? Maybe Whitty's jealous he doesn't
> have the
> > contacts in the POTA world Jeff does.
> >
> > Sounds like as good a theory as any for his behavior. He once
> asked me what
> > Kim Hunter would think about some of the language I was using.
> When I told
> > him that Kim said "Shit" when she spilled her drink, that just
> seemed to make
> > him angrier. It burst his bubble.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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I wish I would have met Ms. Hunter when she was still alive. I had the pleasure of writing to her while I was in the Air Force stationed in Texas in 1977. She sent me an autographed photograph which she signed, which I still have but it was damaged by the post office so I wrote to her again and sent me a new photo and also a letter was also enclosed.
To miss such people as Roddy McDowell, James Gregory and Ms. Hunter is a loss, but to always remember them in the roles that they played on the POTA

I want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and peace, Love and
goodwill towards ALL. I hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday.

Greg#2

Just out here for sec to wish everyone on the group a very Merry Christmas!
Looked like a green one here in Southern Ontario, but we lucked out with a
fair amount of snow over night that's continuing! No POTA gifts here, but
my oldest daughter got a lot of Lion King stuff including some really cool
statuesque LK bookends, one that features Rafiki (the wise baboon). If I
squint when I look at him, he kind of looks like Limbo! Shes in LK heaven,
but you know, "these kids, they bounce right back!"

Have a good holiday season,

Dan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

> "Are there any queers in the theatre tonight?
> Get 'em up against the Wall!
> There's one in the spotlight,
> He don't look right to me
> Get him up against the Wall"
>
> - - - Roger Waters, homophobe

*** Remember the "Judge" character in the movie version of "PINK
FLOYD THE WALL"? Whenever I try to picture what Mike looks like, for
some reason the image of the "Judge" comes to mind -- especially
recently, what with all the BS he's been posting over here.

Patrick

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Stupidity just gets me all riled up. Homophobic stupidity gets me

even more riled up. I know that I (as a lesbian) have it easier than
men who are gay, partially because two women together is some sort of
straight man's fantasy, and if a man is gay is it is somehow
incredibly "threatening" to straight males. No that isn't
right...Insecure straight males. I know many, many good and honest
and caring straight males that would get into a fist fight if
hearing those terms aplied to another human being.

>
> <<
> > Surely this is what the people who complained foresaw and sure
> enough, it happened. Degrading terms used to describe homosexuals.
>
> > What do you think?>>
>
> I think it is some of the most horrible filth I've ever read on

the internet and if it appeared on a list I was on I'd leave
immediately.

>
> Prejudice, bigotry and homophobia are things I am working very

hard to get people over. I never dismiss hate in any form, never
say "boys will be boys" or "it's harmless". It IS harmful...very,
very much so.

>
> So if you have any say in the matter, I'd suggest removing those

people from the list or at the very least issuing a warning about
posting content. Posting words of hate should *never* be allowed on
any online list filled with civilised people.

>
> At least that's my opinion. : )
>
>
> Again guys, I'm not flaming or name calling, just trying to
> enlighten.
>
> I'm sure I'll be burnt at the stake for it too, but I hope you can

all have a good think about this. Your continuing to exchange fun
names for gays is probably offending SOME people here at least -
wouln't it be wiser to do so in private?

>
> You guys are, in the very least, proving to me that your NOT being

in the DG is a wise desision.

>
> Jeff and Greg #2, I am very disappointed that you choose to chime

in, as I am sure all of the females and homosexuals in both groups
are disguted with your behavior.

>
> Michael

*** Hmmm... Mike quotes an anonymous lesbian (a member of the DG,
presumably) as saying that the "gay-jokes" offended her -- she calls
it "some of the most horrible filth I've ever read on the internet".
Well, she has a right to be offended at anything whatsoever. Big
deal. If she can't take a joke, then that's her problem. But to
suggest that Jeff (or Dan, or anybody else) is a HATER of homosexuals
just because of the content of one of Jeff's contests ("Is Brent
Gay?"), or because of a goddamned JOKE, well, that's just a bunch of
shit. Has this anonymous lesbian ever seen a "roast", like the one
they re-ran on Comedy Central late last night -- the "roast" of Denis
Leary? One of his best friends is a fellow comedian named Mario
Antone who is a FLAMING homosexual (anybody who's seen his stand-up
routine will know this). Each of Denis Leary's roasters made raunchy
jokes about everybody else there, including Mr. Antone -- they all
told off-color, raunchy jokes about EVERYTHING, including Mario's
flaming homosexuality, and because it WAS a venue for such humor
EVERYBODY THERE GOT THE FUCKING JOKE. Mario, the gay comedian,
laughed just as hard at the gay-jokes aimed at him as everybody else
there -- and he "gave" as good as he "got" jokewise, when it was his
chance to take the stage and roast Mr. Leary.

To the anonymous lesbian Mike quoted: Get a goddamned sense of humor,
you fishmonger! There's a difference between Jokes and Hate-speech,
and you make yourself out to be a thin-skinned "victim" over nothing
when you choose to take offense at harmless speech. Furthermore, for
you to suggest that Mike "remove those people from the list" -- in
effect, Censor and Banish them -- is something that true lovers of
free speech can only find reprehensible, as horrid or more than any
true act of racism/sexism/etc. I should think that ANYONE who belongs
to a group which historically has been the victim of Censorship and
Exclusion should be the LAST person to suggest just that sort of
thing as the solution (the "final" solution?) to the "problem" of
joking around.

Jokes are NOT "words of hate". Nothing that Jeff or Dan said (or T or
I, for that matter) are hateful -- certainly not their intent. For
anybody to DECLARE that it is only serves to show that some people
are too intolerant towards the FREE SPEECH of others, CHOOSING to
take offense where none was intended.

The Anonymous Lesbian: "So if you have any say in the matter, I'd
suggest removing those people from the list or at the very least
issuing a warning about posting content."

The orangutan President: "Bailiff: Gag the animal!"

What happened to Landon? His ability to speak intelligently was
surgically removed via prefrontal lobotomization, a surgical
procedure which Zaius threatened Taylor with, in addition to
emasculation. When Cornelius protests the destruction of the artifact-
filled Cave, Zaius orders a gorilla to "Silence" him. Cornelius and
Zira have to warn Brent "never to speak" if he should be caught by
the gorillas, who would "dissect" and "kill" him -- in that order --
if they should hear him speak. The Ape-onauts become targets of
Hasslein's well-meaning homicidal (simicidal?) leanings after Zira
chooses to disobey Milo's urge that they conceal their ability to
speak ("I can speak, so I spoke!") -- what she wound up saying while
being interrogated ends up making her a victim. Armando, under the
forced influence of the Authenticator, is compelled to betray his
friend and foster-son -- his "freedom of speech" was violated,
because one should have the freedom NOT to speak (as in the Miranda
warning: "You have the right to remain silent..."), if one so
chooses -- yet Armando was denied that right (and Caesar was intended
to suffer electrocution for his ability to speak). Virdon and Burke
(and Galen) are pursued by Urko's gorillas because of the "infection"
their Knowledge represents -- their superior science represents a
disease (communicable by COMMUNICATION with downtrodden humans and
2nd-class apes) which the State wishes to eradicate; Urko mentions,
at one point, the removal of the "front bump" on the head -- the same
lobotomy procedure that Landon will endure 9 centuries later.

The "PLANET OF THE APES" movies (and TV show) are unanimous in their
condemnation of those who are opposed to Free Speech rights... so why
the FUCK would anybody who claims to be a POTA fan recommend such
fascist tactics as Censorship and Banishment from a POTA discussion
group?

Answer: no TRUE fan of POTA would ever do so. Only a jerk who got a
kick outta "talking monkeys" and who couldn't see and/or appreciate
the films' thematic content would ever advocate censoring anybody,
let along "removing those people from the list".

It just goes to show that even anonymous lesbians with thin skin can
be just as fascist as a goose-stepping Nazi.

Patrick

P.S. I'm not flaming or name-calling -- I'm just trying to enlighten.
Merry Kringle.

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Excuse me for asking, but what is the purpose of this group?

I joined to talk about Planet of the Apes. Why is it that 95% of
your emails are about another group and a guy named Michael (or
Whitty - I assume they are the same person?).

Honorius65

.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/25/03 10:45:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, honorius65@... writes:

Excuse me for asking, but what is the purpose of this group?

I joined to talk about Planet of the Apes.   Why is it that 95% of
your emails are about another group and a guy named Michael (or
Whitty - I assume they are the same person?).

Honorius65

Whitty seems to have too much time on his hands for countless crap postings.  Just ignore him.

So, what do you want to talk about in regards to POTA, Honorius65?  65?  Does that mean you were born in 65?

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That's what I'd like to know. I bring up topics and few comment on them.
Usually a group has a few chatterboxes that keep things humming but the
chatterboxes here have a grudge against each other. For those who want this
group to succeed (whether to get back at the DG or not), I suggest we cut to
the chase.
I've just had an inspiration. Stay tuned for a new contest. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "honorius65" <honorius65@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 7:44 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] New Member


> Excuse me for asking, but what is the purpose of this group?
>
> I joined to talk about Planet of the Apes. Why is it that 95% of
> your emails are about another group and a guy named Michael (or
> Whitty - I assume they are the same person?).
>
> Honorius65
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>

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I bring up topics and few comment on them.

That's because the three or four of us left here have heard it all from you.  Well?  Haven't you got anything new to say?

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 8:37 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New Member

In a message dated 12/25/03 11:33:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I bring up topics and few comment on them.

That's because the three or four of us left here have heard it all from you.  Well?  Haven't you got anything new to say?

-- Rory

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I actually think Whitty has a great deal of good points. You guys
just seem to focus on everything BUT those.

The "crap" posts are coming from that Lord whatever guy. Is he a
nut case or something? I can't imagine he really did know Him
Hunter. Probably stalked her more like it.

And what about Mr 3 name - Patrick is it? What a lot of garbage he
comes up with. He sound like a big baby.

At least Whitty makes a point and he stands alone amongst a pack of
wolves who feed on each other's nastiness. I just wish he would
learn to keep his dignity by shutting up when these other idiots
rant.

Honorius

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/25/03 10:45:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> honorius65@y... writes:
>
>
> > Excuse me for asking, but what is the purpose of this group?
> >
> > I joined to talk about Planet of the Apes. Why is it that 95%
of
> > your emails are about another group and a guy named Michael (or
> > Whitty - I assume they are the same person?).
> >
> > Honorius65
> >
>
> Whitty seems to have too much time on his hands for countless crap
postings.
> Just ignore him.
>
> So, what do you want to talk about in regards to POTA,
Honorius65? 65? Does
> that mean you were born in 65?
>
> -- Rory

I'm a gay man. 65 is the amount of hetro relationships I had before
I saw the light.

And yes, I find the name calling in this group disgusting and
unforgivable.

Honorius

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/25/03 10:45:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> honorius65@y... writes:
>
>
> > Excuse me for asking, but what is the purpose of this group?
> >
> > I joined to talk about Planet of the Apes. Why is it that 95%
of
> > your emails are about another group and a guy named Michael (or
> > Whitty - I assume they are the same person?).
> >
> > Honorius65
> >
>
> Whitty seems to have too much time on his hands for countless crap
postings.
> Just ignore him.
>
> So, what do you want to talk about in regards to POTA,
Honorius65? 65? Does
> that mean you were born in 65?
>
> -- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 10:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] You're kidding right, Haristas?

In a message dated 12/26/2003 12:08:25 AM Central Standard Time, honorius65@... writes:

At least Whitty makes a point and he stands alone amongst a pack of
wolves who feed on each other's nastiness.  I just wish he would
learn to keep his dignity by shutting up when these other idiots
rant.

Honorius

 

I know Whitty when I see him.

And this is him.

 

 

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