"Why can't you just leave it alone??? Let it die dude."

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/2/2004 4:12:13 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
> It proves nothing, and you know it.
>
> If I was Honorius I'd keep him "alive" now because the comment I
get
> the most is "where has Honorius gone"? Jeez I hope this doesn't
> bring him (or her) back......
>
> That proves nothing, and you know it.

A lot of people would have joined but opted for no email, just to
join the group. If they gave up and stopped visiting the site to
read/post, why bother to leave the group?

A lot of spammers and scammers join groups like this too. They can
then email you with your name attached to the spam.

Then there's people like Dave Ballard who hasn't posted for ages and
then chimes in with an interesting post, not mentioning me, and gets
one reply. Then there's people like Dan who contibute files and ask
the group to comment, but the group chooses to talk about...you
guessed it....

I'd say they were out there and they even chime in every so often,
maybe even try to say something interesting....but what is the point
of that?

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Whatever the topic, hardly anyone replies. But someone's gotta
be here. Aren't you supposed to unsubcribe when you leave? You don't
have to be a member to visit the group. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LordTZer0@A...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] re: Happy 2004
>
>
> In a message dated 1/2/2004 10:36:50 AM Central Standard Time,
mystic4ever@s... writes:
> Seriously, it looks like Honorius is just Whitty trying to
prove a
> point in his own way that a group without moderation is chaos,
but
> while it does look that way, I am hoping it isn't him.
>
> It wasn't chaos on this end. I just deleted all his posts. So
other than some other who were referencing him, I was more or less
unaware of him. Then suddenly he disappeared and Mike was suddenly
back. I don't hate Mike either. I just can't stand what he does.
But I truly believe that he thinks he's doing what's best for POTA
Groups in general. Though a lot of the time it's just what's best
for him. But I'd like to see this group discuss all the subjects
you can't cover on DG. Politics, religious and social issues, the
incestuous nature on the ANSA mission, Brent's possible gayness,
Zira obsession with Taylor's sex life, the whole nine yards. This
group should be everything you always wanted to know about POTA but
were afraid to ask, at least on DG. Maybe the other group should be
called POTA-Lite.
>
>
>
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Red Rooster did a Lion King 2 cup set. I think they spell it "Zera"
anyway.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Can't Fox sue them for using the name "Zira"? They come down on
everybody
> else. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erika4pug" <mystic4ever@s...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Happy Ho Ho
>
>
> > Just found this message, got lost in my in-box, sorry LordT...
> > There's a Zira in Lion King II: Simba's Pride but unfortunately
they
> > never made a toy of her. It's only a matter of time before my
oldest
> > daughter asks me to make one, I've made several LK characters
for her
> > that to the best of my knowledge aren't available like Kovu &
> > Serafina. In case anyone cares, Lion King 1-1/2 comes out on
> > February 10.
> >
> > Roar!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 12/25/2003 9:07:12 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > mystic4ever@s... writes:
> > > No POTA gifts here, but
> > > my oldest daughter got a lot of Lion King stuff
> > >
> > > Well, they had a Zira too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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"Why can't you just leave it alone??? Let it die dude."


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"

<Michael.Whitty@d...>

> wrote:
> > Patrick (because I know you hate being called Patty, or anything
> > other than Patrick for that matter),
>
> *** I especially hate when somebody who ostensibly co-created the

DG

> for the express purpose of policing "flame" content goes out of

his

> way to hypocritically exemplify his own criticisms. In the recent
> past you've altered my Yahoo e-mail address
> to "patriciamichelletitbum" (etc) -- the sort of thing that can

only

> be viewed by the 'target' as in intended offense. You DGers were
> supposedly "above" all that, at least according to James, who
> overlooks all that crap you pull over here and only smells roses

when

> you fart.
>
> >
> > Jeff posted the contest in both groups. Part of the reason I

still

> exist on this group is to see if you guys do say anything

interesting

> re POTA. If you ever do, be sure that I might consider opening

that

> topic in the DG. I don't see the harm, unless we are being

childish

> and dwelling on things like "that's MY topic, how DARE you discuss
> that". Of course, such attitudes don't befit the freewheeling
> radicals you guys claim to be, so I'm sure we won't be going there.
>
> *** I have nothing against you (or anybody else) borrowing a topic
> that originates over here and exploring it in your own group.

That's

> all fine & dandy. Just as long as the originator of the topic is
> referenced and given credit for coming up with the idea. It still
> amuses me that one of the very first "threads" that the DG's

message

> board ever started was lifted from this "old" POTA group (the one
> James accuses of being 'immature') -- from a discussion thread

that I

> participated in -- and a substantial amount of the 'lifted'

material

> was written by me... and was I given any credit for that, over in

DG-

> land?
>
> >
> > As for chiming in re the "jerk" who is trying very hard to be
> identified as me in drag, I am about to recruit the help of Tom
> Melkor, the guy who knows what to look for in emails to identify
> whose computer they are coming from, to help me discover the

identity

> of this person.
> >
> > I will say one thing, it is not me. I am not going to even

pretend

> I know who it is, I don't. If anyone really does know, and it

seems

> from Patrick not claiming it IS me any longer that there is

suddenly

> some doubt (thankfully), please tell me. I can guarantee it has
> nothing to do with the country these things are bouncing from and

the

> other "red herring" offered, IP addresses, are easily changed
> apparently so whoever it is could change their IP address to the

same

> as mine, or Patrick's, or Jeff's.
>
> *** Yeah, it's all one big fat coincidence that Honorius &
> Asianlaydee (etc) appeared outta friggin' NOWHERE, and immediately
> posted pro-Whitty/anti-LordT-&-Patrick garbage. And you claim that

at

> this very same time you just HAPPENED to be on some kinda "leave

of

> absence" from this POTA group, so that you didn't notice any of

this

> crap goin' down. Quite frankly, Mike, if somebody held a gun to my
> head and told me to guess who was behind those annoying e-mails,

I'd

> ask myself: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, (etc

etc),

> then why not conclude that it IS a duck? I think it WAS you, Mike,
> and this recent protestation of innocence on your part just seems
> like more obfuscation to me. Can I "prove" it's you? Well, no:

this

> is the ugliness of the Internet. Clever hackers & crackers can

invent

> pseudonyms and post any goddamned insult they like without fear of
> getting their teeth kicked in. About the ONLY thing that sends 'em
> packing is the utter contempt that EVERYBODY feels towards 'em,

when

> their covert shenanigans prompt that unanticipated response. Dan
> doesn't want to believe it's you who posted all those Honorius &
> Asianlaydee messages here (and, hell, maybe he doesn't anymore),

but

> I think it's fair to say that most of us here at the "old" POTA

group

> recognized enough 'Whitty' in those posts to see through the mask

to

> the mutant mug behind it. You had the Means, the Motive, and the
> Opportunity to do it: "staying away from this group for a week"
> afforded you plenty of time to do your "littering" over here.
>
> >
> > I received an email from James yesterday asking me to explain

why

> Jeff had contacted him and asked him to "Tell Whitty to quit
> littering our group.". After staying away from this group for a

week,

> hoping to allow the smoke to settle and return to some genuine

POTA

> chat (intending to skip the week worth of emails that I guessed

would

> be fairly negative and personally attacking me), I've had to

plough

> through all that rubbish anyway.
>
> *** One other thing: whether or not you, Mike, truly are or aren't
> the one behind the Honorius & Asianlaydee pseudonyms, one has only

to

> wade through 99% of your postings over here -- the ones you write
> under your real moniker -- to see that you have been indulging
> yourself in "littering" over here. If I were so foolish as to join
> the DG and attempt to do THERE what you've felt free to do HERE,

it's

> a sure thing that not one of my posts would ever appear on the DG
> message board -- because the Moderators would immediately delete
> them. You yourself would delete 'em if you felt they violated the
> DG's "rules"... yet you go out of your way to post stuff here that
> goes against the rules of your own self-idealized group. Excuse me
> for seeing that as nothing but hypocrisy on your part, but hey,
> that's what it is.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. Happy new year to you, too. And, if you promise not to post

any

> more of those annoying Honorius & Asianlaydee posts, and if you

don't

> go out of your way to insult anybody over here
> ("patriciamichelletitbum" etc etc), then I promise not to sling my
> arrows of outrage at thee. How's that for a New Year's resolution?

"Why can't you just leave it alone??? Let it die dude."

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/3/2004 6:00:53 AM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> P.S. Happy new year to you, too. And, if you promise not to post
any
> more of those annoying Honorius & Asianlaydee posts, and if you
don't
> go out of your way to insult anybody over here
> ("patriciamichelletitbum" etc etc), then I promise not to sling my
> arrows of outrage at thee. How's that for a New Year's resolution?
>
> Arrows of outrage? I'd say that was a 21 gun salute! It make's
my chest
> fill with pride to hear the sweet song of Freedom sung so
skillfully. If I had
> never posted a single line on this group about the injustices of
the so-called
> "Leadership" over at DG I could still rest easy after reading the
case plead
> so eloquently in Patrick and Dan's posts. Sometimes you might get
the
> impression the POTA group is inhabited by a single disgruntled
kook ranting about
> some imagined slight, after being barred from DG. But I think,
after reading
> these gentlemen's latest post, you could see that's not the truth
even if you
> were a blind man!

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"Why can't you just leave it alone??? Let it die dude."

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> "Why can't you just leave it alone??? Let it die dude."
>
>
> I let it alone for the last 7 times you posted this stupidity.
> Only one in seven. I must be slipping
> Why can't you just go die, dud.

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Maybe I will if "you just leave it alone. Let it die dude."

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> "Why can't you just leave it alone??? Let it die dude."
>
> How can I when you just say the same shit over and over again.
> Like I little kind in the backseat. "I'm not touching you.
> I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you.
> Shut up! And prove you don't just come here to be anoying.
> Say something else for a change -- say something POTA.

Okay, here's a question: What is the breed of dog that chases Farrow
up that tree in the opening bit of the TV show's pilot
episode, "ESCAPE FROM TOMORROW"? It ain't a chihuahua. It ain't a
basset hound. It ain't a doberman pinscher. What breed IS it? Does
anybody have a clue?

While we're at it, what's the breed of that yappin' mutt that appears
briefly in that other episode (I think it was "THE LEGACY", but it
might've been another one... as I recall, it was right before the
Fugitives entered one of the ruined Bay Area cities)?

For those of you who think that I think that I'm some kinda know-it-
all, rest assured I do NOT. I don't know what breeds these two dogs
belong to (or even if they are pure-bred), but I would LIKE to know.
I have a basset hound at home, and I can recognize a good number of
breeds, but I don't know enough about the subject to identify the two
dogs from those episodes. If anybody DOES know, please chime in.

Patrick

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Patrick, don't call your wife a basset hound. That ain't nice.- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 12:51 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] NEW TOPIC!!! Really, it IS!


> Okay, here's a question: What is the breed of dog that chases Farrow
> up that tree in the opening bit of the TV show's pilot
> episode, "ESCAPE FROM TOMORROW"? It ain't a chihuahua. It ain't a
> basset hound. It ain't a doberman pinscher. What breed IS it? Does
> anybody have a clue?
>
> While we're at it, what's the breed of that yappin' mutt that appears
> briefly in that other episode (I think it was "THE LEGACY", but it
> might've been another one... as I recall, it was right before the
> Fugitives entered one of the ruined Bay Area cities)?
>
> For those of you who think that I think that I'm some kinda know-it-
> all, rest assured I do NOT. I don't know what breeds these two dogs
> belong to (or even if they are pure-bred), but I would LIKE to know.
> I have a basset hound at home, and I can recognize a good number of
> breeds, but I don't know enough about the subject to identify the two
> dogs from those episodes. If anybody DOES know, please chime in.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>

Does anyone here have any information on the weapons of the Apes? I
know the rifle used in the first movie was an M-1 carbine but I'm
not sure about the pistol and the machine gun from Beneath. I would
imagine they used the same rifle "guts" for the rifles in Beneath
although the stocks were made of aluminum instead of wood. Does
anyone have any answers???

Greg#2

P.S. I am fairly sure that the guts and magazine of the Beneath
machine gun were Thompson .45 cal machine guns.

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http://www.surplusrifle.com/m1carbine/rifledisassembly/index.asp

And here's a link to a photo of Heston holding one of the refitted guns in the original movie.  The gun had a name, the Rea Voom 88.

http://imdb.com/gallery/mptv/1191/9436_0018.jpg

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In a message dated 1/4/2004 4:28:46 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

The gun had a name, the Rea Voom 88.

Yeah, not sure who ever called it that though.  It was an ad from the Ape News newspaper they mocked up for the press kit.

Lord T

It was in that and I also have this book called "Retakes: Behind the Scenes of 500 Classic Movies" by John Eastman that states that was what the 20th Century-Fox prop department called it.  "Prop Designers created a special rifle (the Rea Voom 88) to accommodate an ape's paw."

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:51 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Rea Voom 88

In a message dated 1/4/04 6:12:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

In a message dated 1/4/2004 4:28:46 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

The gun had a name, the Rea Voom 88.

Yeah, not sure who ever called it that though.  It was an ad from the Ape News newspaper they mocked up for the press kit.

Lord T

It was in that and I also have this book called "Retakes: Behind the Scenes of 500 Classic Movies" by John Eastman that states that was what the 20th Century-Fox prop department called it.  "Prop Designers created a special rifle (the Rea Voom 88) to accommodate an ape's paw."

-- Rory

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From Brian at Apemania.

I sure do miss his regular posts.

Michael


Sure thang Mikey,
yes, Ape rifles housed .30 cal M-1 Carbines, some with rear sites,
some without
Ape pistols housed revolvers, possibly .38 cal
Sorry Greg #2, the Ape Sub-Machine guns housed Danish Madsen sub-
machine guns, not Thompson, or Greaseguns. (Supplied by Stembridge
Arms to the studios.) You can see these weapons in non-ape form in
a few old sixties tv shows, MI, TMFU etc., even on Star Trek. In
the James Bond film "DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER" you'll see them used by
the bad guys all over the oil drilling rig during the finale'. (see
attached for example)
Because the wood stocks designed and used in the first film were so
thin around the receivers, the wood often split or cracked when the
weapon's slide recoiled. Urethanes were still "space age"
technology at the time and were slowly making a limited way into the
film industry. The studios still used their in-house wood and metal
departments for many props of this nature, so the decision to go to
metal was an obvious one for the sequel.
I hope this info helps.

Bri



Michael and Sally Whitty wrote:

Hey Brian,
Can you help?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: greg[SMTP:GBHARRIS1@...]
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:55:39 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] re: pota weapons
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Does anyone here have any information on the weapons of the Apes? I
know the rifle used in the first movie was an M-1 carbine but I'm
not sure about the pistol and the machine gun from Beneath. I would
imagine they used the same rifle "guts" for the rifles in Beneath
although the stocks were made of aluminum instead of wood. Does
anyone have any answers???

Greg#2

My dog is a literal dog, Jeffie, a basset hound named Baskerville.
And (pretend you hear Peter Graves' voice) Baskerville's a boy-dog!

And now that THAT's out of the way... Answer my goshdanged question,
you goofy monkey! What breed of dog is Arno's dog? What breed is that
other yappin' mutt? C'mon, dammit, tell me what breeds they are and
no veterinarian shall touch you... or else I'll use surgery to attain
the answer!

Patrick
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Ah yes, the Danish Madsen.  As you can see The Madsen Has the cocking knob of the bolt on the top, and is boxier than either the M-3 or the Swedish K.

 

Danish Madsen

 

 

 

M-3 Grease Gun

 

 

Swedish K

 

 

 

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Hey, Lynne, thanks for steppin' up to the plate! At LAST -- an
answer! I was looking through some books about dogs at the local
BARNES & NOBLE, and I thought that one of the dog breeds in one of
the books looked kinda like Arno's dog: it was a BOXER. I wonder if
boxers and bull mastiffs are very similar? I'll have to go look up a
picture of a bull mastiff now, just to see what you're talking about.

Thanks again!

Patrick

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Maybe they got 'em cheaper - were they aired in order (ie Beneath,
Escape and Conquest)?

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> AMC played the middle three yesterday.
> That's an unusual selection.
> I wonder what's up with that?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> AMC played the middle three yesterday.
> That's an unusual selection.
> I wonder what's up with that?

*** They've recently advertised that they were gonna show two famous
(infamous?) sequels back-to-back: "JAWS 2" and "BENEATH THE PLANET OF
THE APES". They didn't mention then that they would also be
showing "ESCAPE" and "CONQUEST" too -- I don't think they
showed "JAWS 3D" or "JAWS: THE REVENGE" also, did they?

Patrick

What do "Jaws 2" and "Beneath the POTA" have in common? Richard
Zanuck. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Arno's dog -- What breed?


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > AMC played the middle three yesterday.
> > That's an unusual selection.
> > I wonder what's up with that?
>
> *** They've recently advertised that they were gonna show two famous
> (infamous?) sequels back-to-back: "JAWS 2" and "BENEATH THE PLANET OF
> THE APES". They didn't mention then that they would also be
> showing "ESCAPE" and "CONQUEST" too -- I don't think they
> showed "JAWS 3D" or "JAWS: THE REVENGE" also, did they?
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
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I don't think they
showed "JAWS 3D" or "JAWS: THE REVENGE" also, did they?

 

Nope.  Looking back over the listings it was Jaw2, Beneath, then Jaws2 & Beneath again.  Then the next day it was  the middle three in order, sandwiched between Project X and the Terminator.  Then the Terminator angain and The Day the Earth Stood Still.  It wasn't even T2.

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Morris K. Goldsmith, father of Jerry Goldsmith and grandfather of Joel Goldsmith, died in his Los Angeles home on December 14th, 2003, of natural causes, at the age of 101. He worked as an aeronautical engineer during World War II and as a structural engineer after the war, on such projects as the Hollywood Bowl. Upon his retirement, Goldsmith was appointed by L.A. Mayor Tom Bradley to the city's Building Commission. In lieu of flowers, contributions may be made to the Jewish Home for the Aging.



And I posted about this before, but this one's funny:

Writer John Gregory Dunne died in his New York apartment on December 30th, 2003. Dunne's novels included True Confessions, and he collaborated with his wife Joan Didion on the screenplay for that film. He also wrote a non-fiction book, Monster, about the many years he and Didion spent developing the screenplay that became Up Close & Personal. For film music fans, his most notable work may be The Studio, his 1968 non-fiction book about 20th Century Fox, which features a memorable section on the scoring sessions for Doctor Dolittle. Lionel Newman is depicted addressing producer Arthur P. Jacobs as "lardass" and bemoaning how "Talk to the Animals" (which went on to win the Best Song Oscar) is "such a lousy song."

-- Rory



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.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/9/04 11:57:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I receive a newsletter from "Monsters in Motion". They had this model of the Icarus in it. Is that a new version?  http://www.monstersinmotion.com/ships/icarus.html"

  - - - Jeff

No, that's a new one.  I've never seen it before and may have to order it.  It's a little shorter than the one I bought from them before, which has a Lake Powell base, but it's less than half the price.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/9/04 11:57:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
>
> > I receive a newsletter from "Monsters in Motion". They had this

model of the Icarus in it. Is that a new version?

> > http://www.monstersinmotion.com/ships/icarus.html" - - - Jeff
>
> No, that's a new one. I've never seen it before and may have to

order it. It's a little shorter than the one I bought from them
before, which has a Lake Powell base, but it's less than half the
price.

>
> -- Rory

*** If you click on the pic in the MonstersInMotion link, it shows
the model's separate pieces before you put 'em together and
paint 'em. The interior details (unlike their earlier "Full Interior"
model) seem much more accurate: they have individual hibernation
bunks that are separate pieces.
So this is indeed a "new version" of the Icarus. Damn! I'm gonna have
to order one, and at almost $50 bucks (after S/H) it's more than a
pretty penny!

Patrick

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:02 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA at Fox chat

So no I guess we'll all have to buy the reissue, even though the aditional extras are rather...limited.

 

 

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Hey everyone, this is the list moderator here. Some of you, who
have been here since the list's beginning know me as Caesar, or by my
other e-mail address MFLulder@.... I've been absent the past few
years, and for that I'm sorry. I offer a very limited explanation
which is that I some very big issues personally which needed to be
addressed and kept me away from things like this list. It's no
excuse, but it's an explanation you all deserve.

I don't know if I deserve to moderate this list anymore, and
frankly, my decision doesn't matter. I abandoned this list long ago.
It's not mine any longer. This list, and the decision, is yours. I am
asking all of you who care to answer to e-mail me off the list on
this address (SouiofAngelus@...) and tell me if you would want me
to return to the duty as list moderator, or for the group to vote on
another member to take on the responsibility themselves.

I'm sorry for every offensive message sent in my absence. Please
e-mail me with any questions or concerns you have.

Thank you for your time.

-David Pasco




I apoligize if this message comes through twice. Still working out
the kinks of YAHOO! as opposed to E-Groups

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Hi David,

I've contacted you off list as you asked.

I won't be drawn into a public brawl with T.

Just one thing - aol members enjoy the ability to have up to 8 or
more user IDs. We have had some serious identity issues on this
group. LordTZer0 constantly claims that he uses more identities
than one.

How do we know it is really you?

With all due respect, if you are the group moderator, could you
please prove it by deleting this post?

In hope that it is you and that finally this group may improve,

Michael Whitty

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, SouiofAngelus@a... wrote:
> Hey everyone, this is the list moderator here. Some of you, who
> have been here since the list's beginning know me as Caesar, or by
my
> other e-mail address MFLulder@a... I've been absent the past few
> years, and for that I'm sorry. I offer a very limited explanation
> which is that I some very big issues personally which needed to be
> addressed and kept me away from things like this list. It's no
> excuse, but it's an explanation you all deserve.
>
> I don't know if I deserve to moderate this list anymore, and
> frankly, my decision doesn't matter. I abandoned this list long
ago.
> It's not mine any longer. This list, and the decision, is yours. I
am
> asking all of you who care to answer to e-mail me off the list on
> this address (SouiofAngelus@a...) and tell me if you would want me
> to return to the duty as list moderator, or for the group to vote
on
> another member to take on the responsibility themselves.
>
> I'm sorry for every offensive message sent in my absence.
Please
> e-mail me with any questions or concerns you have.
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> -David Pasco
>
>
>
>
> I apoligize if this message comes through twice. Still working out
> the kinks of YAHOO! as opposed to E-Groups

David,

Ignore the previous email.

I just noticed that you have changed the homepage to your new email
address and only the real group moderator can do this.

Welcome back.

Michael


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> I've contacted you off list as you asked.
>
> I won't be drawn into a public brawl with T.
>
> Just one thing - aol members enjoy the ability to have up to 8 or
> more user IDs. We have had some serious identity issues on this
> group. LordTZer0 constantly claims that he uses more identities
> than one.
>
> How do we know it is really you?
>
> With all due respect, if you are the group moderator, could you
> please prove it by deleting this post?
>
> In hope that it is you and that finally this group may improve,
>
> Michael Whitty
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, SouiofAngelus@a... wrote:
> > Hey everyone, this is the list moderator here. Some of you,

who

> > have been here since the list's beginning know me as Caesar, or

by

> my
> > other e-mail address MFLulder@a... I've been absent the past few
> > years, and for that I'm sorry. I offer a very limited

explanation

> > which is that I some very big issues personally which needed to

be

> > addressed and kept me away from things like this list. It's no
> > excuse, but it's an explanation you all deserve.
> >
> > I don't know if I deserve to moderate this list anymore, and
> > frankly, my decision doesn't matter. I abandoned this list long
> ago.
> > It's not mine any longer. This list, and the decision, is yours.

I

> am
> > asking all of you who care to answer to e-mail me off the list

on

> > this address (SouiofAngelus@a...) and tell me if you would want

me

> > to return to the duty as list moderator, or for the group to

vote

> on
> > another member to take on the responsibility themselves.
> >
> > I'm sorry for every offensive message sent in my absence.
> Please
> > e-mail me with any questions or concerns you have.
> >
> > Thank you for your time.
> >
> > -David Pasco
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I apoligize if this message comes through twice. Still working

out

> > the kinks of YAHOO! as opposed to E-Groups

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Hi David,

I've contacted you off list as you asked.

I won't be drawn into a public brawl with T.

Just one thing - aol members enjoy the ability to have up to 8 or
more user IDs.  We have had some serious identity issues on this
group.  LordTZer0 constantly claims that he uses more identities
than one.

How do we know it is really you?

With all due respect, if you are the group moderator, could you
please prove it by deleting this post?

In hope that it is you and that finally this group may improve,

Michael Whitty

 

I understand your concern wholeheartedly. I don't know what post specifically you want me to delete, and in all seriousness, I would like not to delete any post because I feel their part of history and should be kept in the archive. I am very concerned however with proving to you I am who I say I am. Off the top of my head I can think of two ways. The first being that I could E-mail you from my MFLulder name, and the second being that if you go the list's page under Yahoo! Groups it will list either this screen name, or MFLulder as the group moderator. I will be more then happy to do any combination of the above to prove my identity. If more proof is needed, please let me know. I appreciate your concern.

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That's OK David,

See my following post - I realise you changed the email address on
the group home page and only the real moderator can do that.

(Doubting)Thomas (plunging his fingers into the wounded hands of
Christ) ;)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/17/2004 5:29:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
> Hi David,
>
> I've contacted you off list as you asked.
>
> I won't be drawn into a public brawl with T.
>
> Just one thing - aol members enjoy the ability to have up to 8 or
> more user IDs. We have had some serious identity issues on this
> group. LordTZer0 constantly claims that he uses more identities
> than one.
>
> How do we know it is really you?
>
> With all due respect, if you are the group moderator, could you
> please prove it by deleting this post?
>
> In hope that it is you and that finally this group may improve,
>
> Michael Whitty
>
> I understand your concern wholeheartedly. I don't know what post
specifically
> you want me to delete, and in all seriousness, I would like not to
delete any
> post because I feel their part of history and should be kept in
the archive.
> I am very concerned however with proving to you I am who I say I
am. Off the
> top of my head I can think of two ways. The first being that I
could E-mail you
> from my MFLulder name, and the second being that if you go the
list's page
> under Yahoo! Groups it will list either this screen name, or
MFLulder as the
> group moderator. I will be more then happy to do any combination
of the above to
> prove my identity. If more proof is needed, please let me know. I
appreciate
> your concern.

Not a problem, we all make mistakes!

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/17/2004 7:38:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> souiofangelus@a... writes:
> I understand your concern wholeheartedly. I don't know what post
specifically
> you want me to delete, and in all seriousness, I would like not to
delete any
> post because I feel their part of history and should be kept in
the archive.
> I am very concerned however with proving to you I am who I say I
am. Off the
> top of my head I can think of two ways. The first being that I
could E-mail you
> from my MFLulder name, and the second being that if you go the
list's page
> under Yahoo! Groups it will list either this screen name, or
MFLulder as the
> group moderator. I will be more then happy to do any combination
of the above to
> prove my identity. If more proof is needed, please let me know. I
appreciate
> your concern.
> Man, I hope Caesar made mistakes like that.
>
>
> Ok, I thought my response here was not going to the group. I don't
have
> anything to hide and therefore do not regret anyone reading this e-
mail for my
> sake, but I do apoligize if this e-mail was sent to me in
confidence. I;m still
> learning the ropes here guys. Last time I did anything on the list
it was on
> Egroups. Sorry.
>
> -Dave

Hi David, welcome back. Certainly I can understand your leaving for
personal reasons. It's been a mess while you were gone, but I'd still
consider it your group, since you started it. No one's been able to take the
reins anyway. Unfortunately there's not much ape talk here anymore and I'm
not sure what the answer is. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 4:30 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The real LIST MODERATOR


> David,
>
> Ignore the previous email.
>
> I just noticed that you have changed the homepage to your new email
> address and only the real group moderator can do this.
>
> Welcome back.
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> wrote:
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I've contacted you off list as you asked.
> >
> > I won't be drawn into a public brawl with T.
> >
> > Just one thing - aol members enjoy the ability to have up to 8 or
> > more user IDs. We have had some serious identity issues on this
> > group. LordTZer0 constantly claims that he uses more identities
> > than one.
> >
> > How do we know it is really you?
> >
> > With all due respect, if you are the group moderator, could you
> > please prove it by deleting this post?
> >
> > In hope that it is you and that finally this group may improve,
> >
> > Michael Whitty
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, SouiofAngelus@a... wrote:
> > > Hey everyone, this is the list moderator here. Some of you,
> who
> > > have been here since the list's beginning know me as Caesar, or
> by
> > my
> > > other e-mail address MFLulder@a... I've been absent the past few
> > > years, and for that I'm sorry. I offer a very limited
> explanation
> > > which is that I some very big issues personally which needed to
> be
> > > addressed and kept me away from things like this list. It's no
> > > excuse, but it's an explanation you all deserve.
> > >
> > > I don't know if I deserve to moderate this list anymore, and
> > > frankly, my decision doesn't matter. I abandoned this list long
> > ago.
> > > It's not mine any longer. This list, and the decision, is yours.
> I
> > am
> > > asking all of you who care to answer to e-mail me off the list
> on
> > > this address (SouiofAngelus@a...) and tell me if you would want
> me
> > > to return to the duty as list moderator, or for the group to
> vote
> > on
> > > another member to take on the responsibility themselves.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry for every offensive message sent in my absence.
> > Please
> > > e-mail me with any questions or concerns you have.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your time.
> > >
> > > -David Pasco
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I apoligize if this message comes through twice. Still working
> out
> > > the kinks of YAHOO! as opposed to E-Groups
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:21 PM
To: the gang
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] '76 U.K. Annual

  Here's a rare treat for fans outside the U.K. Kassidy Rae's website has the complete annual (stories, comics, activities) from '76. Kass and her partner Greg P. cleaned them up for us. Great job! While you're there, check out the rest of her site. Surprises galore. http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/contents76.html"   - - - Jeff

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Hey all, this is David (AKA Caesar the list mod if you missed my
last mail) here. I wanted to thank you for the warm welcome I've
received and the encouragement in bringing this list back to it's
former glory. My hope is that in this, coming Year of the Ape, we can
make this list better then it has ever been, and end the flame wars
once and for all.

Tonight I am going to begin work on a new code of conduct for the
list. I encourage any and all of you to e-mail me with any concerns,
suggestions, or questions you have not just now for anytime in the
future regarding this list. In the mean time, I'm asking for a new
beginning. I know it's a lot to ask, perhaps too much, but if we can
do this I think we have a chance of making this list what I had hoped
for when I created it back in 1998: A peaceful retreat from the
stress of everyday life where we can all get together and discuss a
common love of Planet of the Apes. I know it won't be easy, but I
think in time we will be able to put aside our differences, and take
this list to a new level together.

Thank you again,

-David

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-----Original Message-----
From: souiofangelus@... [souiofangelus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:48 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

In a message dated 1/19/2004 5:36:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Yeah, my email came back, but anyway . . ..

 

My only concern is that we might lose the only place where POTA can be discussed freely.  When POTA was release it was a fairly controversial film with a lot of controversial topics.  Many of those topics are taboo on POTA DG.  I hope that POTA will remain a place where those topics can be discussed openly.  Over on DG they'll slap a muzzle on you faster than Taylor in the court room scene.

 

 

T

What I'm striving for is a PG-13 level moderation here. I don't want to discuss anything too controversal(X-Rated, racist, things that are just in bad taste), but I do want this to be a list where members can discuss any POTA related topics they wish. I think what I may do is have a separate list for those topics which are hugely controversial, and offensive so that in the rare event that a topic which is relevant and interesting, but inappropriate for kids and offensive comes up, we can allow those who wish to participate in said discussion to do so, while not offending those who do not want to explore the more adult or extremely offensive elements of POTA.

 

-Dave

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-----Original Message-----
From: souiofangelus@... [souiofangelus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:09 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

In a message dated 1/19/2004 5:50:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

That sounds great.

 

And I take offence at the "muzzle" remark.

 

Michael

I am hoping that the comment was meant in spirit of fun (making a POTA joke) rather then in an offensive manner. I do want to make it clear though that outright insults or abuse of jokes will not be tolerated, not that I am in anyway suggesting anyone would do so. I just think it's better for us all to know then not too.

 

-Dave

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Dave,
How bout when a post concerning a "controversial" topic is brought
up, a message is sent to the group directing them to where that
topic would be posted, so everyone has an opportunity and can make
the decision for themselves to read that post or not.

Greg#2

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/19/2004 5:36:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@A... writes:
> Yeah, my email came back, but anyway . . .
>
> My only concern is that we might lose the only place where POTA
can be
> discussed freely. When POTA was release it was a fairly
controversial film with a
> lot of controversial topics. Many of those topics are taboo on
POTA DG. I
> hope that POTA will remain a place where those topics can be
discussed openly.
> Over on DG they'll slap a muzzle on you faster than Taylor in the
court room
> scene.
>
>
> T
> What I'm striving for is a PG-13 level moderation here. I don't
want to
> discuss anything too controversal(X-Rated, racist, things that are
just in bad
> taste), but I do want this to be a list where members can discuss
any POTA related
> topics they wish. I think what I may do is have a separate list
for those
> topics which are hugely controversial, and offensive so that in
the rare event
> that a topic which is relevant and interesting, but inappropriate
for kids and
> offensive comes up, we can allow those who wish to participate in
said
> discussion to do so, while not offending those who do not want to
explore the more
> adult or extremely offensive elements of POTA.
>
> -Dave

>
> Hey all, this is David (AKA Caesar the list mod if you missed my
> last mail) here. I wanted to thank you for the warm welcome I've
> received and the encouragement in bringing this list back to it's
> former glory. My hope is that in this, coming Year of the Ape, we can
> make this list better then it has ever been, and end the flame wars
> once and for all.
>
> Tonight I am going to begin work on a new code of conduct for the
> list. I encourage any and all of you to e-mail me with any concerns,
> suggestions, or questions you have not just now for anytime in the
> future regarding this list. In the mean time, I'm asking for a new
> beginning. I know it's a lot to ask, perhaps too much, but if we can
> do this I think we have a chance of making this list what I had hoped
> for when I created it back in 1998: A peaceful retreat from the
> stress of everyday life where we can all get together and discuss a
> common love of Planet of the Apes. I know it won't be easy, but I
> think in time we will be able to put aside our differences, and take
> this list to a new level together.
>
> Thank you again,
>
> -David

Welcome back! I'm glad that someone has the "keys to the group" again.

-Tom

Sounds great, David. This group has a long history and many good memories.
With the original POTA movie coming out remastered in 2 weeks and the
Chinese Year of the Monkey starting in 3 days, it's a good time to put the
flame wars, the Tim Burton era and the other woes behind us and "begin
again", as Roddy's Caesar said. Hopefully Fox will join us, pick up the
ball and do it right this time. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <the_sorcerer_of_greyskull@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:52 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A New Beginning


> Hey all, this is David (AKA Caesar the list mod if you missed my
> last mail) here. I wanted to thank you for the warm welcome I've
> received and the encouragement in bringing this list back to it's
> former glory. My hope is that in this, coming Year of the Ape, we can
> make this list better then it has ever been, and end the flame wars
> once and for all.
>
> Tonight I am going to begin work on a new code of conduct for the
> list. I encourage any and all of you to e-mail me with any concerns,
> suggestions, or questions you have not just now for anytime in the
> future regarding this list. In the mean time, I'm asking for a new
> beginning. I know it's a lot to ask, perhaps too much, but if we can
> do this I think we have a chance of making this list what I had hoped
> for when I created it back in 1998: A peaceful retreat from the
> stress of everyday life where we can all get together and discuss a
> common love of Planet of the Apes. I know it won't be easy, but I
> think in time we will be able to put aside our differences, and take
> this list to a new level together.
>
> Thank you again,
>
> -David
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:55 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

Yeah, my email came back, but anyway . . .

 

My only concern is that we might lose the only place where POTA can be discussed freely.  When POTA was release it was a fairly controversial film with a lot of controversial topics.  Many of those topics are taboo on POTA DG.  I hope that POTA will remain a place where those topics can be discussed openly.  Over on DG they'll slap a muzzle on you faster than Taylor in the court room scene.

 

 

T

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:28 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

  I agree, we should have more freedom here as far as "potentially offensive topics" (religion, politics, maybe a dab of non-Ape topics). But definitely &%@#ing profanity and flames have no place. - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:55 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

Yeah, my email came back, but anyway . . .

 

My only concern is that we might lose the only place where POTA can be discussed freely.  When POTA was release it was a fairly controversial film with a lot of controversial topics.  Many of those topics are taboo on POTA DG.  I hope that POTA will remain a place where those topics can be discussed openly.  Over on DG they'll slap a muzzle on you faster than Taylor in the court room scene.

 

 

T

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: souiofangelus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:48 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

In a message dated 1/19/2004 5:36:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Yeah, my email came back, but anyway . . .

 

My only concern is that we might lose the only place where POTA can be discussed freely.  When POTA was release it was a fairly controversial film with a lot of controversial topics.  Many of those topics are taboo on POTA DG.  I hope that POTA will remain a place where those topics can be discussed openly.  Over on DG they'll slap a muzzle on you faster than Taylor in the court room scene.

 

 

T

What I'm striving for is a PG-13 level moderation here. I don't want to discuss anything too controversal(X-Rated, racist, things that are just in bad taste), but I do want this to be a list where members can discuss any POTA related topics they wish. I think what I may do is have a separate list for those topics which are hugely controversial, and offensive so that in the rare event that a topic which is relevant and interesting, but inappropriate for kids and offensive comes up, we can allow those who wish to participate in said discussion to do so, while not offending those who do not want to explore the more adult or extremely offensive elements of POTA.

 

-Dave

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----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:26 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

Do you think there's a point where religion and politics become offensive to even thick-skinned individuals Jeff?

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:28 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

  I agree, we should have more freedom here as far as "potentially offensive topics" (religion, politics, maybe a dab of non-Ape topics). But definitely &%@#ing profanity and flames have no place. - - - Jeff

 

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:55 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

Yeah, my email came back, but anyway . . .

 

My only concern is that we might lose the only place where POTA can be discussed freely.  When POTA was release it was a fairly controversial film with a lot of controversial topics.  Many of those topics are taboo on POTA DG.  I hope that POTA will remain a place where those topics can be discussed openly.  Over on DG they'll slap a muzzle on you faster than Taylor in the court room scene.

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:57 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

  I don't think anything political, racial, religious, should be taboo as long as it's talked about respectfully and with good taste (which would be up to the moderator to decide). There will always be those who will be offended. Some might be offended if the talk turns to evolution, for example. But there's no point in this being a duplicate of the DG. Certainly the makers of POTA didn't tip toe around political correctness. There was a battle to allow Taylor to say potentially offensive lines in the last scene, too. - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:26 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

Do you think there's a point where religion and politics become offensive to even thick-skinned individuals Jeff?

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:28 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

  I agree, we should have more freedom here as far as "potentially offensive topics" (religion, politics, maybe a dab of non-Ape topics). But definitely &%@#ing profanity and flames have no place. - - - Jeff

 

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Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:55 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry guys!

Yeah, my email came back, but anyway . . .

 

My only concern is that we might lose the only place where POTA can be discussed freely.  When POTA was release it was a fairly controversial film with a lot of controversial topics.  Many of those topics are taboo on POTA DG.  I hope that POTA will remain a place where those topics can be discussed openly.  Over on DG they'll slap a muzzle on you faster than Taylor in the court room scene.

 

 

T

 

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I'm looking for a photocopy of the sheet music for the theme
of "Escape from
the POTA" ..if anybody out here has one and would be so kind as to
copy/scan, etc. & send it
to me I'd be forever grateful . I don't need the cover just the
actual music part....Thanx Dan Schafer

dan@...

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- because certain individuals believe the only people with rights are themselves and everyone else should suffer because they want to liberally express themselves. 

 

And certain individuals start groups so the only ones with rights are them.

 

 

stop trying to compare everything to POTA. 

 

Stop telling people what to do.  You're not the moderator here, thank Christ!  Or hell, do what you want.  Far be it from be to tell you what to do.  I'm not the moderator either.

 

 Hook up with T and write a Porno script - hell, feature a half-ape kid in it (like the one that was CUT from beneath).  This is a chat group, and if you guys want it to work you will have to make some sacrifices....."sorry, guys"!

 

Oh, now he's sorry.  Not sorry enough to edit it from his post, like he does everyone else's on DG.  Make sacrifices, eh?  Can we sacrifice Whitty?

 

I

'm not saying we should cut out our tongues, just that we need to go out of our way NOT to offend people on the group....if you want it to be a stress free place to discuss POTA.

 

Too late.  You've already offended me.

 

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I agree it should go to another list. My kids won't be checking
the "OFF" in a subject heading and I would seriously like them to be
free to browse the group.

I'd be very cautious, David, of letting "majority" rule in a group
where at least one person has multile email identities (and boasts
about it - this isn't a secret).

I think the decsion should be yours, but of course that decision is
yours! ;) And even if it goes to another site, I wonder if racist
remarks and ideals should be unwelcome there too, or will that be
the new toilet for insults aimed at me?

I'm making these contributions because I care about this site and it
seems to potentailly have a good future with your appearence.

What you are doing now is what I suggested over a year ago, but
without holding the moderating keys to the site nobody co-operated
(because they didn't HAVE to). Sad, isn't it?

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/20/2004 12:30:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
> Maybe touchy posts can be labelled (OFF) for offensive. Like in
the DG they
> list off-topic posts as (OT). - - - Jeff
> I like this idea, but I think some list members would still favor
a second
> list for truly touchy subjects? What do you all say? It's your
list guys,
> majority rules on this decision.
>
> -Caesar

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What you are doing now is what I suggested over a year ago, but
without holding the moderating keys to the site nobody co-operated
(because they didn't HAVE to).  Sad, isn't it?

Michael

You're what's sad, Whitty.  Why don't YOU piss off and not show your ugly puss here?  Let this be a "Free of Whitty" zone!

For those of you not in the know -- he don't think Jerry Goldsmith's commentary on the new DVD means much!

ASSHOLE!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:09 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Potentially Offensive

In a message dated 1/20/04 8:19:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

What you are doing now is what I suggested over a year ago, but
without holding the moderating keys to the site nobody co-operated
(because they didn't HAVE to).  Sad, isn't it?

Michael

You're what's sad, Whitty.  Why don't YOU piss off and not show your ugly puss here?  Let this be a "Free of Whitty" zone!

For those of you not in the know -- he don't think Jerry Goldsmith's commentary on the new DVD means much!

ASSHOLE!

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You're what's sad, Whitty.  Why don't YOU piss off and not show your ugly puss here?  Let this be a "Free of Whitty" zone!

For those of you not in the know -- he don't think Jerry Goldsmith's commentary on the new DVD means much!

ASSHOLE!

-- Rory

 

This is totally uncalled for. Personal attacks like this have no place on this list. If you have a problem, take it up with me off the list. Any more personal attacks will just get you moderated.

 

Again, I'm here to listen to any concerns anyone has, off the list.

 

-Caesar

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----- Original Message -----

From: souiofangelus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Potentially Offensive

Well, before we worry about multiple online identities, lets see how the voting goes. Would you guys rather a second list for topics which are perhaps offensive, or just a label on the subject header?

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: souiofangelus@... [souiofangelus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:45 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; Haristas@...
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] **ADMIN**Potentially Offensive

In a message dated 1/20/2004 11:39:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

You're what's sad, Whitty.  Why don't YOU piss off and not show your ugly puss here?  Let this be a "Free of Whitty" zone!

For those of you not in the know -- he don't think Jerry Goldsmith's commentary on the new DVD means much!

ASSHOLE!

-- Rory

 

This is totally uncalled for. Personal attacks like this have no place on this list. If you have a problem, take it up with me off the list. Any more personal attacks will just get you moderated.

 

Again, I'm here to listen to any concerns anyone has, off the list.

 

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From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:58 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The New DVD

Thanks Caesar.

 

Certainly I have the right to say I think Goldsmith's commentary is not worth much.  I hate commentaries!  I think Goldsmith is a genius as a composer, and I also think he'll stick to commentary on the music and not much else.

 

In context, what I said was that Fox gave us VERY little incentive to buy the "35th Anniversary" DVD.  There's alot of Planet of the Apes fans who agree.

 

By the way, I'm not going anywhere - I think this could be a great group with a moderator (seeing as you can't control YOURSELF!).

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: souiofangelus@... [souiofangelus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:45 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; Haristas@...
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] **ADMIN**Potentially Offensive

In a message dated 1/20/2004 11:39:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

You're what's sad, Whitty.  Why don't YOU piss off and not show your ugly puss here?  Let this be a "Free of Whitty" zone!

For those of you not in the know -- he don't think Jerry Goldsmith's commentary on the new DVD means much!

ASSHOLE!

-- Rory

 

This is totally uncalled for. Personal attacks like this have no place on this list. If you have a problem, take it up with me off the list. Any more personal attacks will just get you moderated.

 

Again, I'm here to listen to any concerns anyone has, off the list.

 

-Caesar

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I still think that having a separate list is a good idea...but after
reading Jeff's post I'm more inclined now to agree with the subject
header idea. It seems a little more logical. As long as there is
some sort of indication that the message is potentially offensive,
adult oriented, etc...I think it'll work.

Greg#2

> I think Jeff has a great point here. What does everyone else

think? Unless I

> hear you all want otherwise I think this is the way we'll go.
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: souiofangelus@... [souiofangelus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:55 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Potentially Offensive

In a message dated 1/20/2004 11:51:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  I'd rather just have a subject header. I don't want to have to go to another list. Might as well join the other list in the first place. The squeamish already have the DG.

  For example, "Big Fish" is Tim Burton's first movie since POTA. I think it's relevant if people see it and want to say what they thought. Some might find that off-topic, others might be interested. If it's labeled "Big Fish" (OT) those who aren't interested can just skip it. I don't think the moderator should decide whether it's relevant or not. A moderator is important as far as profanity and fighting goes. I think it would be better if members just say, "Hey, I'm offended" and why about certain posts, instead of the moderator throwing out, say, a post about how "Conquest" is based on the Watts Riots because someone "might" be offended. Basically I'm saying we have the DG, I think the topics should be looser here, as long as it's not flame wars and ugliness. - - - Jeff

I think Jeff has a great point here. What does everyone else think? Unless I hear you all want otherwise I think this is the way we'll go.

 

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Second list

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> Well, before we worry about multiple online identities, lets see
how the
> voting goes. Would you guys rather a second list for topics which
are perhaps
> offensive, or just a label on the subject header?
>
> -Caesar

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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:10 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The New DVD

  I'm looking forward to the Goldsmith commentary, and some of the other new stuff. As well as the remastered picture and sound. But I think there's enough for 1 disc, not 2. The saving grace is that it'll be on sale so it's like getting the second disc free.

  I think Rory's a good guy, but I don't understand why he's taking the Goldsmith comments so personally.  - - - Jeff

 P.S. You're doing a great job, Caesar.

----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:58 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The New DVD

Thanks Caesar.

 

Certainly I have the right to say I think Goldsmith's commentary is not worth much.  I hate commentaries!  I think Goldsmith is a genius as a composer, and I also think he'll stick to commentary on the music and not much else.

 

In context, what I said was that Fox gave us VERY little incentive to buy the "35th Anniversary" DVD.  There's alot of Planet of the Apes fans who agree.

 

By the way, I'm not going anywhere - I think this could be a great group with a moderator (seeing as you can't control YOURSELF!).

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: souiofangelus@... [souiofangelus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:45 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; Haristas@...
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] **ADMIN**Potentially Offensive

In a message dated 1/20/2004 11:39:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

You're what's sad, Whitty.  Why don't YOU piss off and not show your ugly puss here?  Let this be a "Free of Whitty" zone!

For those of you not in the know -- he don't think Jerry Goldsmith's commentary on the new DVD means much!

ASSHOLE!

-- Rory

 

This is totally uncalled for. Personal attacks like this have no place on this list. If you have a problem, take it up with me off the list. Any more personal attacks will just get you moderated.

 

Again, I'm here to listen to any concerns anyone has, off the list.

 

-Caesar

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From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:20 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Potentially Offensive

How about my kids Jeff?

 

They alway jump on the computer and sometimes read my emails.

 

Yeah I know, I should electrocute the chair.  ;)

 

But what about new members?  They don't want to see someone's commentary on the Catholic Church or argument supporting their favourite political party....it would likely scare them away.  And it wouldn't be a stress free haven to discuss POTA.  This is the main problem.  These discussions often get alot of posts and your new members will not hang around for that, whether it has an OT or not!

 

I'd rather this uglier stuff goes to a separate site that I won't join.  I don't really care about people's biases against religions and generalisations about political groups.  of course Religion and Politics were a huge part of POTA, that much of that huge part was a lesson that you should not generalise or categorise people because of their beliefs.  From the few characters we did meet, some of them did break the mould.  So to call someone a "Chimp" could mean they are peaceful, could mean they are vegetarian, could meant they started a revolution, could mean their son fell out of a tree and died.......generalising and labelling with such ignorance is something I can do without.

 

Michael

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From: souiofangelus@... [souiofangelus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:55 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Potentially Offensive

In a message dated 1/20/2004 11:51:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  I'd rather just have a subject header. I don't want to have to go to another list. Might as well join the other list in the first place. The squeamish already have the DG.

  For example, "Big Fish" is Tim Burton's first movie since POTA. I think it's relevant if people see it and want to say what they thought. Some might find that off-topic, others might be interested. If it's labeled "Big Fish" (OT) those who aren't interested can just skip it. I don't think the moderator should decide whether it's relevant or not. A moderator is important as far as profanity and fighting goes. I think it would be better if members just say, "Hey, I'm offended" and why about certain posts, instead of the moderator throwing out, say, a post about how "Conquest" is based on the Watts Riots because someone "might" be offended. Basically I'm saying we have the DG, I think the topics should be looser here, as long as it's not flame wars and ugliness. - - - Jeff

I think Jeff has a great point here. What does everyone else think? Unless I hear you all want otherwise I think this is the way we'll go.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:47 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Potentially Offensive

  It's not supposed to be "ugly" stuff. It's the themes of POTA. If people go to far on a tangent it should be curtailed. If someone says the ritual in "Beneath" shows how silly religions are or a religion is, someone should be able to respond. That makes for an interesting discussion. If they then start to argue religion with no POTA connection the moderator can tell them to take it off-line. But it shouldn't be up to one person to decide for everyone if it's "offensive", or shuttle it off to another list where maybe someone would be interested but doesn't know about it because they didn't join the other list fearing racial slurs or something else. It should be common sense what's POTA related or not.

  I'd like this group to build up too, but I'd also like a place to discuss things without having to tiptoe and worry about "scaring people off". Some people should be scared off. It's healthy. POTA is not "Davey and Goliath". It deals with things.

  I understand worrying about kids. Profanity, no. Flame wars, no. But sometimes we don't give kids enough credit. We liked POTA when we were kids (some of us). It's a hard call. I will abide by whatever is decided.  - - - Jeff

 

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From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:20 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Potentially Offensive

How about my kids Jeff?

 

They alway jump on the computer and sometimes read my emails.

 

Yeah I know, I should electrocute the chair.  ;)

 

But what about new members?  They don't want to see someone's commentary on the Catholic Church or argument supporting their favourite political party....it would likely scare them away.  And it wouldn't be a stress free haven to discuss POTA.  This is the main problem.  These discussions often get alot of posts and your new members will not hang around for that, whether it has an OT or not!

 

I'd rather this uglier stuff goes to a separate site that I won't join.  I don't really care about people's biases against religions and generalisations about political groups.  of course Religion and Politics were a huge part of POTA, that much of that huge part was a lesson that you should not generalise or categorise people because of their beliefs.  From the few characters we did meet, some of them did break the mould.  So to call someone a "Chimp" could mean they are peaceful, could mean they are vegetarian, could meant they started a revolution, could mean their son fell out of a tree and died.......generalising and labelling with such ignorance is something I can do without.

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: souiofangelus@... [souiofangelus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:55 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Potentially Offensive

In a message dated 1/20/2004 11:51:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  I'd rather just have a subject header. I don't want to have to go to another list. Might as well join the other list in the first place. The squeamish already have the DG.

  For example, "Big Fish" is Tim Burton's first movie since POTA. I think it's relevant if people see it and want to say what they thought. Some might find that off-topic, others might be interested. If it's labeled "Big Fish" (OT) those who aren't interested can just skip it. I don't think the moderator should decide whether it's relevant or not. A moderator is important as far as profanity and fighting goes. I think it would be better if members just say, "Hey, I'm offended" and why about certain posts, instead of the moderator throwing out, say, a post about how "Conquest" is based on the Watts Riots because someone "might" be offended. Basically I'm saying we have the DG, I think the topics should be looser here, as long as it's not flame wars and ugliness. - - - Jeff

I think Jeff has a great point here. What does everyone else think? Unless I hear you all want otherwise I think this is the way we'll go.

 

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Hello.  My name is Evan.  I wrote an introduction but I never saw it go to the list.  I like to recreate movie props, brew beer, cast metal, collect tattoos, and read.  I'm a big Rod Serling and Planet of the Apes fan.  I am in the process of getting an Ape rider on horseback tattooed on my arm.  I just got the outline.   I joined this list after I found out POTADG was not for me.  I for one hope that Michael Whitty has no say whatsoever when it comes to this list.  I find that his actions make no sense and he gets offensive and threatening when asked to explain himself.  He's getting offensive already and perhaps he's on the way to being threatening.  Michael Whitty has his own group and I for one hope that he have no control here.  Let him show his concern for his own group.

Evan

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If you go to the Yahoo site and click on a message, above it next to
where it says "Reply", you can click on "View Source". Then a page
with a lot of computer giberish comes up. Scroll down and look for
either "X-eGroups-Remote-IP" or "X-Originating-IP" a number like
this will be next to it (64.12.136.8) which is the Internet Provider
address. But these can be changed easily and even faked so it
doesn't really mean much.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> Actually, anyone who wants to educate me on IP Addresses would
have my
> gratitude as well...Contact me offlist if you can help.
>
> -Caesar

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Evan,

For starters, I believe you are really LordTZer0.

How about telling us all where you live.

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Wuher Brewer <wuher_brewer@y...> wrote:
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> Hello. My name is Evan. I wrote an introduction but I never saw
it go to the list. I like to recreate movie props, brew beer, cast
metal, collect tattoos, and read. I'm a big Rod Serling and Planet
of the Apes fan. I am in the process of getting an Ape rider on
horseback tattooed on my arm. I just got the outline. I joined
this list after I found out POTADG was not for me. I for one hope
that Michael Whitty has no say whatsoever when it comes to this
list. I find that his actions make no sense and he gets offensive
and threatening when asked to explain himself. He's getting
offensive already and perhaps he's on the way to being threatening.
Michael Whitty has his own group and I for one hope that he have no
control here. Let him show his concern for his own group.
>
> Evan
>
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So tell us Evan,

Who sacrificed a lot of time and effort to get you that horse tattoo?

The POTADG was not for you because you refused to let a topic about
POTA pornography go when you were asked by the moderators to stop
posting about the topic.

Instead, you persisted and it was decided by the moderators that
your post would not go through. James and Helen can verify this.
So your personal attack, like everyone else's over here (while you
are obviously trying to score points with the new moderator) is
unwarranted and I suppose you will in due time be told not to attack
me further (but hey, I'm sure you can drum up more fake email
addresses to attack me and get warned).

My actions make perfect sense. You sent a post that continued a
topic we had asked people to stop commenting on, after having
complaints about it. This is PORNOGRAPHY we are talking about, so
it is not outrageous that the topic was not for everyone.

I asked you to re-write the post and you did, and I asked for the
moderators' input. It was unamimously agreed that the thread had
run its course. None of us have changed our mind.

I am not getting at all offensive, but if I do I'm sure I will be
treated just the same as everybody else on this group.

I find it offensive that you are trying to argue that I am denied
the right to be in this group, a group I have been in for many years
longer than you have.

I am concerned for anyone who is a Planet of the Apes fan, and not
many of these have the same energy I have to fight the contemptuous
nonsense a small minority of you in this group (which happens to ba
arounf 90% of the contributors) want to dish out.

I'm not leaving this group, and I hope David (or Caesar) that you
develop a code of conduct about people making negative, unjust
accusations against me (and their next victim). Part of the real
problem is that this group is being treated as a garbage dump for a
few people's opinions about me. I can't see why this should be
allowed to continue.

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Wuher Brewer <wuher_brewer@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello. My name is Evan. I wrote an introduction but I never saw
it go to the list. I like to recreate movie props, brew beer, cast
metal, collect tattoos, and read. I'm a big Rod Serling and Planet
of the Apes fan. I am in the process of getting an Ape rider on
horseback tattooed on my arm. I just got the outline. I joined
this list after I found out POTADG was not for me. I for one hope
that Michael Whitty has no say whatsoever when it comes to this
list. I find that his actions make no sense and he gets offensive
and threatening when asked to explain himself. He's getting
offensive already and perhaps he's on the way to being threatening.
Michael Whitty has his own group and I for one hope that he have no
control here. Let him show his concern for his own group.
>
> Evan
>
>
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