--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> You're what's sad, Whitty. Why don't YOU piss off and not show
your ugly
> puss here? Let this be a "Free of Whitty" zone!
>
> ASSHOLE!
>
> Wow Rory!
> And you're still on DG?
> I'd have thought you'd have been banned by now.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> I for one hope that Michael Whitty has no say whatsoever when it
comes to
> this list. I find that his actions make no sense and he gets
offensive and
> threatening when asked to explain himself. He's getting offensive
already and
> perhaps he's on the way to being threatening. Michael Whitty has
his own group
> and I for one hope that he have no control here. Let him show his
concern for
> his own group.
> Evan
>
> A lot of people feel that way, Evan. But now that David's
watching he seems
> to be minding his Ps & Qs, in an Eddy Haskel sort of way. It may
seem a bit
> smarmy, but I for one think it's a definite improvement over the
way things
> used to be. I think we all know who can't stand whom. Let's just
try and keep
> it civil. We can probably manage that at least.
>
> "Someday this war's gonna to end."
> ~~~Robert Duvall as Col. Wild Bill Kilgore in Apocalypse Now~~~~

> I'd rather just have a subject header. I don't want to have to go

----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil" <nfoster@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Potentially Offensive


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > I'd rather just have a subject header. I don't want to have to go
> to another list. Might as well join the other list in the first
> place. The squeamish already have the DG.
>
>
> Sorry Jeff but I disagree, I'm not squeamish but I thought this was
> meant to be a POTA group. Burton did make a movie that
> had 'something' to do with POTA but that doesn't mean we should
> discuss what he has done since. Just as discussing Ted Post's other
> movies wouldn't be relevant on this group. There are plenty of other
> groups out ther for discussing other movies that should be used for
> just that.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>

So tell us Evan,

Who sacrificed a lot of time and effort to get you that horse tattoo?
The POTADG was not for you because you refused to let a topic about
POTA pornography go when you were asked by the moderators to stop
posting about the topic.

Instead, you persisted and it was decided by the moderators that
your post would not go through.  James and Helen can verify this. 
So your personal attack, like everyone else's over here (while you
are obviously trying to score points with the new moderator) is
unwarranted and I suppose you will in due time be told not to attack
me further (but hey, I'm sure you can drum up more fake email
addresses to attack me and get warned).

My actions make perfect sense.  You sent a post that continued a
topic we had asked people to stop commenting on, after having
complaints about it.  This is PORNOGRAPHY we are talking about, so
it is not outrageous that the topic was not for everyone.

I asked you to re-write the post and you did, and I asked for the
moderators' input.  It was unamimously agreed that the thread had
run its course.  None of us have changed our mind.

I am not getting at all offensive, but if I do I'm sure I will be
treated just the same as everybody else on this group.

I find it offensive that you are trying to argue that I am denied
the right to be in this group, a group I have been in for many years
longer than you have.

I am concerned for anyone who is a Planet of the Apes fan, and not
many of these have the same energy I have to fight the contemptuous
nonsense a small minority of you in this group (which happens to ba
arounf 90% of the contributors) want to dish out.

I'm not leaving this group, and I hope David (or Caesar) that you
develop a code of conduct about people making negative, unjust
accusations against me (and their next victim).  Part of the real
problem is that this group is being treated as a garbage dump for a
few people's opinions about me.  I can't see why this should be
allowed to continue.

Michael

Michael,

Neil sacrificed his time and effort for my tattoo and he was paid for his time.  I wasn't going to list what the argument was about, but since you still don't get it, surely others will.  Michael, I'm sorry I came in late on the topic thread about adult films that were loosely based on POTA late and you asked to edit my post.  I edited out the remarks about adult movies when asked.  The message brought up two topics though.  The second topic was about film critic and movie host Joe Bob Briggs of TNT's Monstervision who had run Planet of the Apes and its sequels many times and who was an admitted fan and who had discussed POTA at length and when you asked me to edit the letter for content I removed any adult movie references, and changed the focus to movie host Joe Bob Briggs.  But you persisted in attacking me, ridiculously claiming that Joe Bob Briggs is porno.  I sent you links to the host segments of Joe Bob Briggs for the Planet of the Apes films, but you persisted in your insane idea that Joe Bob Briggs was porno and kept telling me that porno was not allowed.  I left your group because you're obviously mental.  I argued Joe Bob Briggs was not porno and asked you to explain yourself.  That is when you threatened to contact Yahoo on me.  I don't believe James and Helen can verify anything because I doubt you sent them my edited letter.  When I tried to submit the edited letter to James, my email was returned.  What is your obsession with where I live?  What does it matter?  I find your interest in this regard very scary.  What is your obsession with people with multiple identities?  I have never written to the list with any email but this one.  I think you're paranoid.  I don't care who the moderator here is.  I trust him to do a good job, but it's you I'm concerned about.  I'm not trying to say you should be banned from this group.  I'm just saying shut up and enjoy the ride.  Trust the moderator here to do his own job and stay out of his after all you've got you're own group and I want no part of you're insanity.

The one and only real Evan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> From:
>
http://www.dvdfile.com/interactive/contest/archive/2004/01_21_planeto
ftheapes_se.htmlbr> >
>
> free stuff
>
> 01.14.2004
> PLANET OF THE APES
> Fox Home Entertainment
>
>
> One of the greatest science fiction allegories of all time, the
original
> Planet of the Apes returns on February 3rd in a new two-disc 35th
Anniversary
> Edition. Fox Home Entertainment has pulled out all of the stops -
a new anamorphic
> widescreen transfer and tons of extras, including audio
commentary, a
> documentary and plenty more. We've got five copies to give away to
five lucky
> winners, courtesy of Fox Home Entertainment, so good luck!
>
> How To Enter The PICK OF THE WEEK contest is very simple: just
send us your
> name and address via a valid email address, and winners are picked
at random.
> Only subscribers to the DVDFILE.com weekly newsletter are
eligible, and sign up
> for free here!
>
> The Deadline Send your entries to contest@d... by 11:59pm PDT on
> Sunday, February 1st, to be eligible. Please put the words "PLANET
OF THE APES" in
> the subject line of your email. These words must appear or your
entry may be
> passed over in the email queue!
>
> The Rules
> Only one entry per person per contest.
> Due to restrictions by the studios (who provide the prizes), only
residents
> of Region 1 territories (namely the USA or Canada) are eligible.
> To be fair to readers who actually have to pay for their discs,
employees of
> studios and webmasters of other DVD sites are not eligible.
> Winners will be notified by email the day after the contest
closes. Due to
> privacy issues, winner's names and locations will no longer be
published on the
> site proper.
> Only one winner per household per month is eligible. Winners will
not be
> reeligible to enter until the fifth week after the week they have
won.
> Please allow two to four weeks for delivery of prize.
> No hand drawn, hand-delivered, or faxed entries are eligible, nor
anything
> scrawled in pig's blood. If it ain't email, it ain't kosher! Good
luck!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> I think we forgot to mention it on this site, but if anyone is
> interested the next chapter of Beware the Beast is now available
on
> Hunter's excellent site.
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/beast/btb4a.html"
>
> Neil

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Whoa, wait! There's porn on DG?
> See what you miss when you don't keep up with your reading!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/21/2004 4:04:53 AM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
> Evan,
>
> For starters, I believe you are really LordTZer0.
>
> How about telling us all where you live.
>
> Michael
> Perhaps everyone should give there phone numbers so you can talk
to us in
> person. On your on dime of course.
>
> T

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/21/2004 5:53:34 AM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
> I guess it means you get one more sucker punch and then you get
the
> same "muzzle" we use on the POTADG.
>
> I hope you were warned about calling everyone a pornagrapher.
> If not, consider yourself warned.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> And your moderator has seen these compliments and experienced the
> reasons why I received them - because while you have been here
> wallowing in your own filth, dedicated fans have been doing
positive
> things.
>
> A lot of people praised Joe McCarthy at first too.
> Anyway I. for one, am marking this post Off Topic.
> You should do the same as long as your not going
> to talk Apes and just comment on my comments
> on other people's comments. And by the way I
> only post here under my own name here. I don't have
> to be incagnito. You can't kick me off here. Though
> it seems you'd still like to try. Should that day ever
> come then I'll post under a different name. You
> seem to think everyone you have a disagreement
> with is really me. Well, you're just being parannoid
> Mr. Popular. I'll give you a clue, you have never had
> an argument with me under my DG screen name.
> That should narrow it down a lot.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/21/2004 8:57:26 AM Central Standard Time,
> souiofangelus@a... writes:
> Caesar, are you going to set about removing ugly posts from the
archives that
> have nothing to do with POTA?
>
> Covering your tracks eh?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/21/2004 9:17:47 AM Central Standard Time,
> souiofangelus@a... writes:
> Michael is being attacked by a lot of people here and I won't
stand for it.
> His DG list is moderated the way he sees fit. I will moderate this
list much
> differently, but I won't allow outright bashing of his list or
himself here. I
> will not allow anyone to bash you either.
>
> True, he could have kicked me off for bad spelling if he wished.
But as for
> the covert bickering, all sides have had a jab at one another, but
I think
> it's only right to clear the air. Feel free to banish any non-
POTA posts to a
> secondary group. Can you do that? Well, no matter. I'm happy to
not respond
> to Whitty posts. And even let others posts about him slide
without a nod of
> agreement, if you feel all posts should be POTA related. I didn't
start this
> war -- I wasn't even in it at the beging -- but I'm more than
happy to finish it.

-----Original Message-----
From: souiofangelus@... [souiofangelus@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:25 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] OT

In a message dated 1/21/2004 3:15:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

True, he could have kicked me off for bad spelling if he wished.  But as for the covert bickering, all sides have had a jab at one another, but I think it's only right to clear the air.  Feel free to banish any non-POTA posts to a secondary group.  Can you do that?  Well, no matter.  I'm happy to not respond to Whitty posts.  And even let others posts about him slide without a nod of agreement, if you feel all posts should be POTA related.  I didn't start this war -- I wasn't even in it at the beging -- but I'm more than happy to finish it.

 

It's ending now. I'm putting the list on moderate. I'm keeping it that way until Friday. After that it's a clean slate. Anyone who makes a personal attack after that is moderated plain and simple.

 

-Caesar

-----Original Message-----
From: souiofangelus@... [souiofangelus@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:44 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Potentially Offensive

In a message dated 1/21/2004 1:38:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

History tells us it gets "ugly"....and QUICK!

 

Caesar, are you going to set about removing ugly posts from the archives that have nothing to do with POTA?  I know you see the Archives as a place where there is a record of posts, but if you were to remove the offensive ones I'd be happier with Jeff's idea - new members would not see the ugly stuff.

 

Michael

I know for a fact I'm going to keep the archives. At least for now. Maybe this has more to do with personal reasons then group reasons, and if in the  future I realize it does, I'll reconsider, but I feel at least for now we all need to be reminded of the past. I feel that erasing the past would be almost like the smoke screen that Dr. Zaius & company had going in the first two films. If enough people want the archives cleaned up, perhaps I'll reconsider, but I think for now we should all be reminded.

 

-Caesar

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:01 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Win POTA DVD

From: http://www.dvdfile.com/interactive/contest/archive/2004/01_21_planetoftheapes_se.htmlbr>

free stuff

01.14.2004
PLANET OF THE APES
Fox Home Entertainment


One of the greatest science fiction allegories of all time, the original Planet of the Apes returns on February 3rd in a new two-disc 35th Anniversary Edition. Fox Home Entertainment has pulled out all of the stops - a new anamorphic widescreen transfer and tons of extras, including audio commentary, a documentary and plenty more. We've got five copies to give away to five lucky winners, courtesy of Fox Home Entertainment, so good luck!

How To Enter The PICK OF THE WEEK contest is very simple: just send us your name and address via a valid email address, and winners are picked at random. Only subscribers to the DVDFILE.com weekly newsletter are eligible, and sign up for free here!

The Deadline Send your entries to contest@... by 11:59pm PDT on Sunday, February 1st, to be eligible. Please put the words "PLANET OF THE APES" in the subject line of your email. These words must appear or your entry may be passed over in the email queue!

The Rules
Only one entry per person per contest.
Due to restrictions by the studios (who provide the prizes), only residents of Region 1 territories (namely the USA or Canada) are eligible.
To be fair to readers who actually have to pay for their discs, employees of studios and webmasters of other DVD sites are not eligible.
Winners will be notified by email the day after the contest closes. Due to privacy issues, winner's names and locations will no longer be published on the site proper.
Only one winner per household per month is eligible. Winners will not be reeligible to enter until the fifth week after the week they have won.
Please allow two to four weeks for delivery of prize.
No hand drawn, hand-delivered, or faxed entries are eligible, nor anything scrawled in pig's blood. If it ain't email, it ain't kosher! Good luck!

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-----Original Message-----
From: The_Sorcerer_of_Greyskull [SouiofAngelus@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:14 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Home Page/ POTA2001

Thanks. James made the graphic for me and when I put it up I found
out I could change the colors so I played around with that too. I saw
POTA2001 in the theater and got the DVD for X-Mas or my Birthday when
it came out. I thought it was a good movie, but it was lacking what I
had hoped...And if anyone can explain the end to me, I;d love it...I
get it was supposed to be a shocker...But ending it with Power
Rangers footage would have been shocking too, and probably made as
much sense to me...

-Caesar

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-----Original Message-----
From: SouiofAngelus@... [SouiofAngelus@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:02 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Adventure Comics

Anyone on this list read the Planet of the Apes comics Adventure Comics put out?  If not I strongly suggest you try and pick some up. (In fact, I think the comic store near me has some if anyone is looking.) the story line is great. I'd look forward to hearing from anyone who has read any of these. Lemme know if I'm alone in reading these or not...

 

-Caesar

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----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:31 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Home Page/ POTA2001

LOL!

I'm so over the ending!  A few people made explanations (even Fox tried I think) but it all got very Back to the Future on Acid for me!  I decided not to care was the best approach!

 

I really enjoyed POTA2001 until the line "Get your fillthy paws".....then it just got worse.  Heston's cameo - disgraceful...absurd.

 

Weighing it up, I thought ofverall it was a disgraceful effort.

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: The_Sorcerer_of_Greyskull [SouiofAngelus@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:14 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Home Page/ POTA2001

Thanks. James made the graphic for me and when I put it up I found
out I could change the colors so I played around with that too. I saw
POTA2001 in the theater and got the DVD for X-Mas or my Birthday when
it came out. I thought it was a good movie, but it was lacking what I
had hoped...And if anyone can explain the end to me, I;d love it...I
get it was supposed to be a shocker...But ending it with Power
Rangers footage would have been shocking too, and probably made as
much sense to me...

-Caesar

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----- Original Message -----

From: SouiofAngelus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:01 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Adventure Comics

Anyone on this list read the Planet of the Apes comics Adventure Comics put out?  If not I strongly suggest you try and pick some up. (In fact, I think the comic store near me has some if anyone is looking.) the story line is great. I'd look forward to hearing from anyone who has read any of these. Lemme know if I'm alone in reading these or not...

 

-Caesar

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, SouiofAngelus@a... wrote:
> Anyone on this list read the Planet of the Apes comics Adventure
Comics put
> out? If not I strongly suggest you try and pick some up. (In
fact, I think the
> comic store near me has some if anyone is looking.) the story line
is great.
> I'd look forward to hearing from anyone who has read any of these.
Lemme know
> if I'm alone in reading these or not...
>
> -Caesar

-----Original Message-----
From: greg [gbharris1@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:23 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Adventure Comics

I've got all the Adventure Planet of the Apes comics.  If asked
nicely (and if we have enough room here) I could be pursuaded to
scan them and post them for the group.  Anyone interested?

Greg#2

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, SouiofAngelus@a... wrote:
> Anyone on this list read the Planet of the Apes comics Adventure
Comics put
> out?  If not I strongly suggest you try and pick some up. (In
fact, I think the
> comic store near me has some if anyone is looking.) the story line
is great.
> I'd look forward to hearing from anyone who has read any of these.
Lemme know
> if I'm alone in reading these or not...
>
> -Caesar

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:06 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Home Page/ POTA2001

   Yeah, Fox "explains" the ending with that little card that's in the DVD. People were so confused they had to explain it! That's like having to explain a joke. I enjoy still pictures from POTA2001. - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:31 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Home Page/ POTA2001

LOL!

I'm so over the ending!  A few people made explanations (even Fox tried I think) but it all got very Back to the Future on Acid for me!  I decided not to care was the best approach!

 

I really enjoyed POTA2001 until the line "Get your fillthy paws".....then it just got worse.  Heston's cameo - disgraceful...absurd.

 

Weighing it up, I thought ofverall it was a disgraceful effort.

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: The_Sorcerer_of_Greyskull [SouiofAngelus@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:14 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Home Page/ POTA2001

Thanks. James made the graphic for me and when I put it up I found
out I could change the colors so I played around with that too. I saw
POTA2001 in the theater and got the DVD for X-Mas or my Birthday when
it came out. I thought it was a good movie, but it was lacking what I
had hoped...And if anyone can explain the end to me, I;d love it...I
get it was supposed to be a shocker...But ending it with Power
Rangers footage would have been shocking too, and probably made as
much sense to me...

-Caesar

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "greg" <gbharris1@y...> wrote:
> I've got all the Adventure Planet of the Apes comics. If asked
> nicely (and if we have enough room here) I could be pursuaded to
> scan them and post them for the group. Anyone interested?
>
> Greg#2
>

-----Original Message-----
From: souiofangelus@... [souiofangelus@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:53 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Home Page/ POTA2001

Anyone know what Fox's explanation was? Besides letting the writers drink on the job. that is.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <James110261@a...> wrote:
> If you go to the Yahoo site and click on a message, above it next to
> where it says "Reply", you can click on "View Source". Then a page
> with a lot of computer giberish comes up. Scroll down and look for
> either "X-eGroups-Remote-IP" or "X-Originating-IP" a number like
> this will be next to it (64.12.136.8) which is the Internet Provider
> address. But these can be changed easily and even faked so it
> doesn't really mean much.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> > Actually, anyone who wants to educate me on IP Addresses would
> have my
> > gratitude as well...Contact me offlist if you can help.
> >
> > -Caesar

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> A Sci-Fi movie at Fox?!!!! It's gotta be a new APES!!!!
>
> -- Jeff

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> You never offered them to the DG group, Greg:-(
> Frankly, I'm hurt;-)
> Just kidding. It sounds like a good idea to me.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "greg" <gbharris1@y...> wrote:
> > I've got all the Adventure Planet of the Apes comics. If asked
> > nicely (and if we have enough room here) I could be pursuaded to
> > scan them and post them for the group. Anyone interested?
> >
> > Greg#2
> >

-----Original Message-----
From: greg [gbharris1@...]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:21 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Adventure Comics

Well...to be honest with you...I never really thought about it until
someone brought it up again in here.  Everyone does so much over in
the other group, I thought it'd be cool to have something like that
here and what better way to start that here than to share here? 
Anyway, I wanna hear what everyone else thinks about it before I
begin this task of scanning 24 comics, 1 annual, 6  four issue runs
and 1  one shot.  Let me hear from you folks.

Greg#2

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> You never offered them to the DG group, Greg:-(
> Frankly, I'm hurt;-)
> Just kidding. It sounds like a good idea to me.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "greg" <gbharris1@y...> wrote:
> > I've got all the Adventure Planet of the Apes comics.  If asked
> > nicely (and if we have enough room here) I could be pursuaded to
> > scan them and post them for the group.  Anyone interested?
> >
> > Greg#2
> >

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "greg" <gbharris1@y...> wrote:
> Well...to be honest with you...I never really thought about it
until
> someone brought it up again in here. Everyone does so much over
in
> the other group, I thought it'd be cool to have something like
that
> here and what better way to start that here than to share here?
> Anyway, I wanna hear what everyone else thinks about it before I
> begin this task of scanning 24 comics, 1 annual, 6 four issue
runs
> and 1 one shot. Let me hear from you folks.
>
> Greg#2
>

>
> Greg#2
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:04 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Cameron Resurfaces

Cameron Resurfaces
After a six-year hiatus during which he directed just two documentary films about the underwater inspections of the sunken ships The Titanic and The Bismarck, James Cameron has indicated that he will return to theatrical features with a science-fiction film to be produced later this year for 20th Century Fox. As reported by Daily Variety, Cameron made the announcement at a gathering of sci-fi buffs in Los Angeles on Tuesday. The trade publication indicated that Cameron provided little additional information about the project, which would be his first since his 1997 blockbuster Titanic grossed $1.8 billion at the worldwide box office. Cameron told his audience that he planned to shoot the film with high-definition 3-D video cameras and that it would include "a pile of special effects."



A Sci-Fi movie at Fox?!!!!  It's gotta be a new APES!!!!

-- Jeff

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "greg" <gbharris1@y...> wrote:
> Hey Caesar (David)
>
> I've gotten one comic scanned and was gonna upload it in the
photos
> section but got a message saying that there was not enough storage
> space. What can we do? or am I out of luck uploading it here?
>
> Greg#2

-----Original Message-----
From: Kassidy Rae [valwp@...]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:39 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Adventure Comics

Let me hear from you folks.
>
> Greg#2
>
++I think it would be great.  I'd love to read them.
Kass

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> For anyone here from the NYC area, check out these ads I just
found. They
> were the TV ads for the New York City ABC affiliate Channel 7 that
used to show
> a 4:30 p.m. movie every weekday.
> The heyday of this was in the 70s, but I used to live in the NYC
area in the
> 60s and I can remember when movies were shown on all the channels
there. This
> was in the days before home video so this was your only chance to
see these
> films (mostly genre films presented during theme weeks). The APES
films were
> shown between May 1977 and September 1981.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> For anyone here from the NYC area, check out these ads I just
found. They
> were the TV ads for the New York City ABC affiliate Channel 7 that
used to show
> a 4:30 p.m. movie every weekday.
> The heyday of this was in the 70s, but I used to live in the NYC
area in the
> 60s and I can remember when movies were shown on all the channels
there. This
> was in the days before home video so this was your only chance to
see these
> films (mostly genre films presented during theme weeks). The APES
films were
> shown between May 1977 and September 1981.
>
> -- Rory

> >
>
> I just privately e-mailed them to James, but I'm glad they got

>
> -- Rory

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Sad News

In a message dated 1/26/04 5:59:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I just found out that Norman Burton was killed in a car accident
this past November. Burton appeared in the original film as
the 'Hunt Leader', identified by the glyphs on his bandolier. Burton
returned to the POTA series in 1971 (this time as a human) playing
the U.S. Army General on the Presidential Commission in Escape. That
same year he had a much bigger role in 'Diamonds are Forever'
playing Felix Leiter, James Bond's CIA counterpart. In 1974 Burton
was back in ape make-up playing Galen's father Yalu in the POTA TV
series. Sadly, he was killed on November 29th, less than one week
shy of his 70th Birthday.

Yes, he was the gorilla in PLANET that asks Dr. Zaius, "What's Dr. Zira trying to prove?"

This is sad news.  According to the Internet Movie Database he died in a car crash on the California/Arizona border while returning to his home in Mexico.

He was also supposedly a graduate of The Actor's Studio in New York.  I feel his best role was in the Jack Lemmon movie "Save the Tiger" (1973).  He was also in "The Towering Inferno" and was sometimes credited as Normann Burton.

-- Rory

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I know I promised a posting guidelines e-mail last week, but I've
been busy,
> and have only tonight has the chance to type this up...
>
> Essentially all I'm asking is that we all keep posts which are
insults or
> other such comments about other list members off the list. In
short, if it will
> offend another member, and the post is about them, it shouldn't be
sent. If you
> have any questions about a specific post I will be happy to
address them off
> the list. If you do not know if a comment might offend another
member of the
> list please e-mail me about it.
>
> I don't care what has gone on in the past here, everyone has a
fresh start. I
> truly hope all list members can get along, but I understand that
is unlikely.
> All I ask is that you check your anger at the door and talk about
POTA, not
> who you like or dislike. If anyone offends you, please let me
know offlist,
> and if you must have your say on the list, please be polite. Let
the list know
> your offended by a comment politely and ask for an apology, and if
you happen
> to be the offending party, please apologize. Any arguments or
hatred have no
> place here. Personal disagreements are just that, and should be
dealt with
> privately, not on the list.
>
> Regarding other posts, I have no problem with the occasional off
topic post,
> but please label it as such. As far as controversial subjects go,
Please label
> them "PO" for potentially offensive. If any subject is too edgy,
another list
> for people who wish to speak about it is a possibility. We'll
cross that
> bridge when we come to it.
>
> I hope you everyone is enjoying the list more lately then before,
and if you
> have any concerns, I am always available off the list to discuss
them
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dave/Caesar

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Great David. Hopefully this is the start of a new day for this
group.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I know I promised a posting guidelines e-mail last week, but I've
> been busy,
> > and have only tonight has the chance to type this up...
> >
> > Essentially all I'm asking is that we all keep posts which are
> insults or
> > other such comments about other list members off the list. In
> short, if it will
> > offend another member, and the post is about them, it shouldn't
be
> sent. If you
> > have any questions about a specific post I will be happy to
> address them off
> > the list. If you do not know if a comment might offend another
> member of the
> > list please e-mail me about it.
> >
> > I don't care what has gone on in the past here, everyone has a
> fresh start. I
> > truly hope all list members can get along, but I understand that
> is unlikely.
> > All I ask is that you check your anger at the door and talk about
> POTA, not
> > who you like or dislike. If anyone offends you, please let me
> know offlist,
> > and if you must have your say on the list, please be polite. Let
> the list know
> > your offended by a comment politely and ask for an apology, and
if
> you happen
> > to be the offending party, please apologize. Any arguments or
> hatred have no
> > place here. Personal disagreements are just that, and should be
> dealt with
> > privately, not on the list.
> >
> > Regarding other posts, I have no problem with the occasional off
> topic post,
> > but please label it as such. As far as controversial subjects go,
> Please label
> > them "PO" for potentially offensive. If any subject is too edgy,
> another list
> > for people who wish to speak about it is a possibility. We'll
> cross that
> > bridge when we come to it.
> >
> > I hope you everyone is enjoying the list more lately then before,
> and if you
> > have any concerns, I am always available off the list to discuss
> them
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Dave/Caesar

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave B" <dballard@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 6:20 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Another DVD review


> This one is from Filmscore monthly, hence the more than usual
> interest in what Goldsmith has to say...
>
> PLANET OF THE APES: 35th Anniversary Edition (****, 1968),
> Available February 3rd. 112 mins., G, Fox. DVD SPECIAL
> FEATURES: Commentary by Jerry Goldsmith; commentary by
> John Chambers, Kim Hunter and Roddy McDowall; Full-length
> "Behind the Planet of the Apes" documentary; featurettes,
> trailers; text commentary; 2.35 Widescreen (16:9 enhanced), 5.1
> DTS and Dolby Digital sound.
>
> Two-disc re-issue of the original and best film in the "Planet of
> the Apes" series boasts a newly enhanced 16:9 transfer and a
> few new supplements, including a commentary track by Jerry
> Goldsmith.
>
> Goldsmith is on-hand to talk about his experience working with
> Franklin F. Schaffner, utilizing early synthesizers and divulging
> some of the tricks he employed to create the movie's unusual
> soundscape. The composer is candid about his relationship
> with the filmmaker and the strengths and weaknesses of the
> movie, including the decision to play the climactic twist ending
> without music (Goldsmith says that Charlton Heston was a bit
> over the top by himself, and didn't need any score to accompany
> him!). Note that this is a commentary track and NOT an isolated
> score with composer comments -- I'm not sure if the early news
> about this DVD was incorrect or not, but anyone anticipating an
> isolated score should be aware that there isn't one here.
>
> For other new supplements, Fox's 35th Anniversary Edition adds
> a strong text commentary track (filled with excellent ancedotes),
> and a secondary audio commentary with Kim Hunter, John
> Chambers, and the late Roddy McDowall, which obviously was
> cobbled together from old interviews. While this might have been
> a good idea, the track is so sporadic in nature that you might
> think someone made a mistake in the editing department (long
> stretches of time go by with no commentary at all).
>
> Far better is the inclusion, on the second disc, of the outstanding
> "Behind the Planet of the Apes" two-hour documentary. This is
> the same documentary that AMC produced for the Apes' 30th
> Anniversary a few years ago, but it's still the best single program
> made about the creation of the series. Also on the supplemental
> disc are a handful of vintage featurettes and trailers, from a
> NATO reel to even brief footage of Don Taylor and J. Lee
> Thompson directing the third and fourth entries in the series,
> respectively. Nearly 20 minutes of Roddy McDowall's home
> movies are also included, and the transfer on these materials is
> surprisingly pristine.
>
> While a few of these featurettes and the documentary were
> previously released by Image in their excellent 2-disc "Behind
> the Planet of the Apes" DVD set (which also contained an
> unedited, two-hour interview with McDowall that's worth the price
> of that release alone), Fox has upped the ante of this "Apes" DVD
> by remastering the film itself in 16:9 and including 5.1 DTS and
> Dolby Digital soundtracks. Those with huge plasma TVs may
> see a striking difference between this DVD and the previous
> release, though truth be told they looked comparable on my
> standard TV set, with the new transfer appearing slightly more
> colorful. The soundtracks also sound identical -- DTS doesn't do
> a whole lot to increase the fidelity of late '60s theatrical sound.
>
> Nevertheless, the addition of the text anecdotes, Goldsmith's
> commentary, and a few new featurettes will make this "Apes"
> edition a definite purchase for fans, while the inclusion of the
> two-hour documentary makes this, overall, the definitive DVD
> release of the 1968 sci-fi classic to date.
>
> ..
>
> ..
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
>
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> PotaDG-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Posting Regulations

In a message dated 1/27/04 8:27:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, gbharris1@... writes:

I second that!!!

Greg#2

I third that!!!

(Less than one week away now!)

-- Rory

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:14 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Posting Regulations

In a message dated 1/27/04 8:27:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, gbharris1@... writes:

I second that!!!

Greg#2

I third that!!!

(Less than one week away now!)

-- Rory

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I know I promised a posting guidelines e-mail last week, but I've
been busy, and have only tonight has the chance to type this up...
>
> Essentially all I'm asking is that we all keep posts which are
insults or other such comments about other list members off the list.
In short, if it will offend another member, and the post is about
them, it shouldn't be sent. If you have any questions about a
specific post I will be happy to address them off the list. If you do
not know if a comment might offend another member of the list please
e-mail me about it.
>
> I don't care what has gone on in the past here, everyone has a
fresh start. I truly hope all list members can get along, but I
understand that is unlikely. All I ask is that you check your anger
at the door and talk about POTA, not who you like or dislike. If
anyone offends you, please let me know offlist, and if you must have
your say on the list, please be polite. Let the list know your
offended by a comment politely and ask for an apology, and if you
happen to be the offending party, please apologize. Any arguments or
hatred have no place here. Personal disagreements are just that, and
should be dealt with privately, not on the list.
>
> Regarding other posts, I have no problem with the occasional off
topic post, but please label it as such. As far as controversial
subjects go, Please label them "PO" for potentially offensive. If any
subject is too edgy, another list for people who wish to speak about
it is a possibility. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
>
> I hope you everyone is enjoying the list more lately then before,
and if you have any concerns, I am always available off the list to
discuss them
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dave/Caesar

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; band6@...

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:21 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Review: PLANET OF THE APES: 35th Anniversary Edition

From FILMSCOREMONTHLY.COM:  A surprise here -- no isolated score!???

PLANET OF THE APES: 35th Anniversary Edition (****, 1968), Available February 3rd. 112 mins., G, Fox. DVD SPECIAL FEATURES: Commentary by Jerry Goldsmith; commentary by John Chambers, Kim Hunter and Roddy McDowall; Full-length "Behind the Planet of the Apes" documentary; featurettes, trailers; text commentary; 2.35 Widescreen (16:9 enhanced), 5.1 DTS and Dolby Digital sound.

Two-disc re-issue of the original and best film in the "Planet of the Apes" series boasts a newly enhanced 16:9 transfer and a few new supplements, including a commentary track by Jerry Goldsmith.

Goldsmith is on-hand to talk about his experience working with Franklin F. Schaffner, utilizing early synthesizers and divulging some of the tricks he employed to create the movie's unusual soundscape. The composer is candid about his relationship with the filmmaker and the strengths and weaknesses of the movie, including the decision to play the climactic twist ending without music (Goldsmith says that Charlton Heston was a bit over the top by himself, and didn't need any score to accompany him!). Note that this is a commentary track and NOT an isolated score with composer comments -- I'm not sure if the early news about this DVD was incorrect or not, but anyone anticipating an isolated score should be aware that there isn't one here.

For other new supplements, Fox's 35th Anniversary Edition adds a strong text commentary track (filled with excellent ancedotes), and a secondary audio commentary with Kim Hunter, John Chambers, and the late Roddy McDowall, which obviously was cobbled together from old interviews. While this might have been a good idea, the track is so sporadic in nature that you might think someone made a mistake in the editing department (long stretches of time go by with no commentary at all).

Far better is the inclusion, on the second disc, of the outstanding "Behind the Planet of the Apes" two-hour documentary. This is the same documentary that AMC produced for the Apes' 30th Anniversary a few years ago, but it's still the best single program made about the creation of the series. Also on the supplemental disc are a handful of vintage featurettes and trailers, from a NATO reel to even brief footage of Don Taylor and J. Lee Thompson directing the third and fourth entries in the series, respectively. Nearly 20 minutes of Roddy McDowall's home movies are also included, and the transfer on these materials is surprisingly pristine.

While a few of these featurettes and the documentary were previously released by Image in their excellent 2-disc "Behind the Planet of the Apes" DVD set (which also contained an unedited, two-hour interview with McDowall that's worth the price of that release alone), Fox has upped the ante of this "Apes" DVD by remastering the film itself in 16:9 and including 5.1 DTS and Dolby Digital soundtracks. Those with huge plasma TVs may see a striking difference between this DVD and the previous release, though truth be told they looked comparable on my standard TV set, with the new transfer appearing slightly more colorful. The soundtracks also sound identical -- DTS doesn't do a whole lot to increase the fidelity of late '60s theatrical sound.

Nevertheless, the addition of the text anecdotes, Goldsmith's commentary, and a few new featurettes will make this "Apes" edition a definite purchase for fans, while the inclusion of the two-hour documentary makes this, overall, the definitive DVD release of the 1968 sci-fi classic to date.
 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I'd rather have Goldsmith blabbing than an isolated score. I
could just listen to the soundtrack.
> This release is kind of a rip-off to fans who bought
the "Behind" 2-disc, but the real target is the people who just want
the first movie. At least this way the documentary comes with it and
it might interest them in the sequels. The doc is very eloquent
about the sequels. I know at least one young fan who became a fan
because of the documentary. - - - Jeff
>

> The POTA film phenomenon began with a soliloquy from a man who was
> essentially an iconoclastic, pessimistic philosopher. He was

> his "final report"... and, unfortunately, in regards to this Yahoo
> POTA group, I find myself in a similar situation. This will be my
> final message to this group -- provided, of course, that the

> returned moderator allows it to go through.
>
> What I loved about this group was that there was no moderation,

> that which was practiced by each member willingly. People were

> to disagree; people were free to let themselves get mean-spirited

> their disagreements, and "flame-wars" would erupt. And a lot of

> got to disliking that, preferring to be in a POTA chat site where
> they could feel safe that such "offensive" confrontationalism

> not disturb their online experiences.
>
> That led to the creation of an alternative POTA Yahoo site, where

> moderators would crack-the-whip and exercise powers of Censorship,
> and would threaten to Ban members (and then actually do so). As

> as I was (and am) concerned, however well-meaning such a method

> be, it is in its way just another form of intolerance. And, like

> other forms of intolerance, it stifles communication between

> who will fear to voice an opinion lest somebody take 'offense' at

> What recourse is there when ANYBODY can claim to be offended at
> ANYTHING whatsoever? Where does it end?
>
> This Yahoo POTA group's moderator, Dave, is a well-intentioned

> and I don't want anybody here to think that I don't recognize

> But he and I have differing views on what kinds of censorship are
> considered acceptable: I don't think that ANY kind is ever a good
> thing, whereas he makes room for it in cases of

> (witness his post below).
>
> For a long time I have trumpeted this group's virtues, of it being
> the ONLY site in Yahoo-land where POTA fans could say what they

> to say without fear of having their messages yanked for supposed
> unsuitability. Without fear of being 'disinvited' -- which is the
> effect that the threat of censorship has on me. Without fear of
> having past archived messages deleted, in retrospect -- which has
> recently been advocated on this site. In my opinion, that is
> ethically equivalent to Zaius destroying the artifacts Cornelius
> discovered -- and to the forced lobotomization of Landon: the
> destruction of Memory, of Identity. Like it or not, those archived
> messages depict what this group's members are REALLY like -- warts
> and all.
>
> Dave has assured me, in private e-mails, that he will not be

> any of those archives, which is good to hear. However, he has

> to post a message I attempted to send several days ago, for fear

> it would 'offend' somebody. Thus, in my opinion, POTA fans have

> the only site in Yahoo-land where they could voice an opinion --

> matter how controversial, potentially-offensive, or unsettling it

> be -- without fear of being subjected to censorship.
>
> I begged Dave not to go down that route. I told him that in my
> opinion it would do more harm than good, by stifling free speech.

> and I see things differently. But... this is HIS group, no matter

> fact that he left it to its own devices for a looooong time -- and

> can do whatsoever he wants with it. Unfortunately, he's decided to
> start doing things as a moderator that just don't sit well with

> know he means well, and I respect that, but it just bugs the ****
> outta me that a POTA site -- of ALL places -- is reverting to a
> speech-stifling modus operandi. Free speech is at the very heart

> what the POTA films (etc) were really all about. They weren't
> just "adventures among the monkeys" -- they were ABOUT something.

> any POTA group, in my opinion, ought to exemplify that same
> something. It saddens me that Dave's group no longer does. He has
> good intentions, I know, but somebody once said that the road to

> is paved with 'em, and in my view that's what has happened here.
>
> I'll continue to 'lurk' over here, on occasion, but in good
> conscience I cannot be an active member anymore, because I do not
> feel FREE to be a contributing member. Being censored doesn't sit
> well with me, and though it pains me I've found that I have had to

> something I didn't think would ever be necessary. And I just KNOW

> gonna get pilloried for it by certain someones out there, but

> what's what: because I want there to be a place in Yahoo-land

> POTA fans can enjoy the unqualified freedom to have their say,

> of any fears of being censored or banned, I did what Dave

> and started up a Yahoo POTA group of my own. It may very well be

> I'll be the only person posting messages on it, like Heston

> GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD" as John-the-Baptist, crying in the
> wilderness and all that. But I want there to be a place where

> can say what they want to say and not be censored or banned. If

> make asses outta themselves, by intentionally provoking animosity,

> be it. I won't encourage such involvement by anybody, but as long

> it ain't criminal (i.e. libelous, that sort of thing), I'll allow

> Anybody can join, if they so desire. People who don't want to find
> themselves potentially reading a "flame" here and there may not
> particularly wish to, but they will always be FREE to, if they so
> desire.
>
> The homepage is at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_Phenomenon
>
> The group's email address is:
> POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
>
> If I have something to say about POTA, chances are it'll be posted
> there. Those of you who don't care about anything I may have to

> about POTA will undoubtedly ignore me and this new group, which

> are free to do. To each their own. If you'd like to join it, it's
> open to everybody, and anybody will be able to access its archives
> (which, so far, only have my 1st message in it, thought). And I

> be a hands-off moderator; I will never ban a member, nor will I

> censor anybody's post. I don't like when it happens to me, and I
> don't ever think it's a good thing, even when a part of me would

> to exercise that power. For me, that's "the dark side", and I'm
> bewaring it.
>
> It's been fun -- until recently, that is -- and I wish you all

>
> "And that completes my final report..."
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 1-27-2004
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 6:56 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Less than a week?

I got mine today.

 

The idiots sent me the full screen instead of the wide screen version.

 

I guess it begs the question "How many die-herd ape fans are there?", and then you need to ask "How many of these will bother?".  I understand it could appeal to Goldsmith fans too - but Golsmith fans would have seen him live and would already know much of what he says in his commentary (which has enormous pauses in it and is certainly not for the impatient).

 

So who are they marketing this DVD to?

 

If it IS to the die-hard POTA fan (all 25 of them), I suspect a large percentage of these will pass if they have the "Behind" DVD already.

 

Haven't watched the home movies yet, but these should be interesting...however no huge added value (unless they close some unanswered alternate timeline theories, which I DOUBT!).

 

The Mego ads are cool.  I have seen them all but the quality on the DVD is cool.

 

Very disappointing as far as VALUE goes.  Some nice additions, but if I was guided by my BRAIN when it comes to POTA I would never have bothered to make this purchase.

 

Hey Rory, you know you would get mine in 3 days if I send it Global Priority!  ;)

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Posting Regulations

In a message dated 1/27/04 8:27:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, gbharris1@... writes:

I second that!!!

Greg#2

I third that!!!

(Less than one week away now!)

-- Rory

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From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:58 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "And that completes my final report..."


> The POTA film phenomenon began with a soliloquy from a man who was
> essentially an iconoclastic, pessimistic philosopher. He was giving
> his "final report"... and, unfortunately, in regards to this Yahoo
> POTA group, I find myself in a similar situation. This will be my
> final message to this group -- provided, of course, that the recently-
> returned moderator allows it to go through.
>
> What I loved about this group was that there was no moderation, save
> that which was practiced by each member willingly. People were free
> to disagree; people were free to let themselves get mean-spirited in
> their disagreements, and "flame-wars" would erupt. And a lot of folks
> got to disliking that, preferring to be in a POTA chat site where
> they could feel safe that such "offensive" confrontationalism would
> not disturb their online experiences.
>
> That led to the creation of an alternative POTA Yahoo site, where its
> moderators would crack-the-whip and exercise powers of Censorship,
> and would threaten to Ban members (and then actually do so). As far
> as I was (and am) concerned, however well-meaning such a method may
> be, it is in its way just another form of intolerance. And, like all
> other forms of intolerance, it stifles communication between people
> who will fear to voice an opinion lest somebody take 'offense' at it.
> What recourse is there when ANYBODY can claim to be offended at
> ANYTHING whatsoever? Where does it end?
>
> This Yahoo POTA group's moderator, Dave, is a well-intentioned guy,
> and I don't want anybody here to think that I don't recognize that.
> But he and I have differing views on what kinds of censorship are
> considered acceptable: I don't think that ANY kind is ever a good
> thing, whereas he makes room for it in cases of potential 'offense'
> (witness his post below).
>
> For a long time I have trumpeted this group's virtues, of it being
> the ONLY site in Yahoo-land where POTA fans could say what they want
> to say without fear of having their messages yanked for supposed
> unsuitability. Without fear of being 'disinvited' -- which is the
> effect that the threat of censorship has on me. Without fear of
> having past archived messages deleted, in retrospect -- which has
> recently been advocated on this site. In my opinion, that is
> ethically equivalent to Zaius destroying the artifacts Cornelius
> discovered -- and to the forced lobotomization of Landon: the
> destruction of Memory, of Identity. Like it or not, those archived
> messages depict what this group's members are REALLY like -- warts
> and all.
>
> Dave has assured me, in private e-mails, that he will not be deleting
> any of those archives, which is good to hear. However, he has refused
> to post a message I attempted to send several days ago, for fear that
> it would 'offend' somebody. Thus, in my opinion, POTA fans have lost
> the only site in Yahoo-land where they could voice an opinion -- no
> matter how controversial, potentially-offensive, or unsettling it may
> be -- without fear of being subjected to censorship.
>
> I begged Dave not to go down that route. I told him that in my
> opinion it would do more harm than good, by stifling free speech. He
> and I see things differently. But... this is HIS group, no matter the
> fact that he left it to its own devices for a looooong time -- and he
> can do whatsoever he wants with it. Unfortunately, he's decided to
> start doing things as a moderator that just don't sit well with me. I
> know he means well, and I respect that, but it just bugs the ****
> outta me that a POTA site -- of ALL places -- is reverting to a
> speech-stifling modus operandi. Free speech is at the very heart of
> what the POTA films (etc) were really all about. They weren't
> just "adventures among the monkeys" -- they were ABOUT something. And
> any POTA group, in my opinion, ought to exemplify that same
> something. It saddens me that Dave's group no longer does. He has
> good intentions, I know, but somebody once said that the road to Hell
> is paved with 'em, and in my view that's what has happened here.
>
> I'll continue to 'lurk' over here, on occasion, but in good
> conscience I cannot be an active member anymore, because I do not
> feel FREE to be a contributing member. Being censored doesn't sit
> well with me, and though it pains me I've found that I have had to do
> something I didn't think would ever be necessary. And I just KNOW I'm
> gonna get pilloried for it by certain someones out there, but here's
> what's what: because I want there to be a place in Yahoo-land where
> POTA fans can enjoy the unqualified freedom to have their say, free
> of any fears of being censored or banned, I did what Dave suggested,
> and started up a Yahoo POTA group of my own. It may very well be that
> I'll be the only person posting messages on it, like Heston in "THE
> GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD" as John-the-Baptist, crying in the
> wilderness and all that. But I want there to be a place where anybody
> can say what they want to say and not be censored or banned. If they
> make asses outta themselves, by intentionally provoking animosity, so
> be it. I won't encourage such involvement by anybody, but as long as
> it ain't criminal (i.e. libelous, that sort of thing), I'll allow it.
> Anybody can join, if they so desire. People who don't want to find
> themselves potentially reading a "flame" here and there may not
> particularly wish to, but they will always be FREE to, if they so
> desire.
>
> The homepage is at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_Phenomenon
>
> The group's email address is:
> POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
>
> If I have something to say about POTA, chances are it'll be posted
> there. Those of you who don't care about anything I may have to say
> about POTA will undoubtedly ignore me and this new group, which they
> are free to do. To each their own. If you'd like to join it, it's
> open to everybody, and anybody will be able to access its archives
> (which, so far, only have my 1st message in it, thought). And I will
> be a hands-off moderator; I will never ban a member, nor will I ever
> censor anybody's post. I don't like when it happens to me, and I
> don't ever think it's a good thing, even when a part of me would like
> to exercise that power. For me, that's "the dark side", and I'm
> bewaring it.
>
> It's been fun -- until recently, that is -- and I wish you all well.
>
> "And that completes my final report..."
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 1-27-2004
>
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> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I know I promised a posting guidelines e-mail last week, but I've
> been busy, and have only tonight has the chance to type this up...
> >
> > Essentially all I'm asking is that we all keep posts which are
> insults or other such comments about other list members off the list.
> In short, if it will offend another member, and the post is about
> them, it shouldn't be sent. If you have any questions about a
> specific post I will be happy to address them off the list. If you do
> not know if a comment might offend another member of the list please
> e-mail me about it.
> >
> > I don't care what has gone on in the past here, everyone has a
> fresh start. I truly hope all list members can get along, but I
> understand that is unlikely. All I ask is that you check your anger
> at the door and talk about POTA, not who you like or dislike. If
> anyone offends you, please let me know offlist, and if you must have
> your say on the list, please be polite. Let the list know your
> offended by a comment politely and ask for an apology, and if you
> happen to be the offending party, please apologize. Any arguments or
> hatred have no place here. Personal disagreements are just that, and
> should be dealt with privately, not on the list.
> >
> > Regarding other posts, I have no problem with the occasional off
> topic post, but please label it as such. As far as controversial
> subjects go, Please label them "PO" for potentially offensive. If any
> subject is too edgy, another list for people who wish to speak about
> it is a possibility. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
> >
> > I hope you everyone is enjoying the list more lately then before,
> and if you have any concerns, I am always available off the list to
> discuss them
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Dave/Caesar
>
>
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