--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> I doubt this will get through, but I'll give it a shot. As far as
people
> behaving like children, yeah, you got that right. Lord of the
Flies. Certain
> kids ran off with the conch shell and now their back on this side
of the island.
> And since they get to make snide comments like this and get away
with it, I
> think I'll follow Patrick's lead and bail. It's been fun kids.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> I find this offensive.

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:10 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Review: PLANET OF THE APES: 35th Anniversary Edition

  I'd rather have Goldsmith blabbing than an isolated score. I could just listen to the soundtrack.

  This release is kind of a rip-off to fans who bought the "Behind" 2-disc, but the real target is the people who just want the first movie. At least this way the documentary comes with it and it might interest them in the sequels. The doc is very eloquent about the sequels. I know at least one young fan who became a fan because of the documentary. - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; band6@...

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:21 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Review: PLANET OF THE APES: 35th Anniversary Edition

From FILMSCOREMONTHLY.COM:  A surprise here -- no isolated score!???

PLANET OF THE APES: 35th Anniversary Edition (****, 1968), Available February 3rd. 112 mins., G, Fox. DVD SPECIAL FEATURES: Commentary by Jerry Goldsmith; commentary by John Chambers, Kim Hunter and Roddy McDowall; Full-length "Behind the Planet of the Apes" documentary; featurettes, trailers; text commentary; 2.35 Widescreen (16:9 enhanced), 5.1 DTS and Dolby Digital sound.

Two-disc re-issue of the original and best film in the "Planet of the Apes" series boasts a newly enhanced 16:9 transfer and a few new supplements, including a commentary track by Jerry Goldsmith.

Goldsmith is on-hand to talk about his experience working with Franklin F. Schaffner, utilizing early synthesizers and divulging some of the tricks he employed to create the movie's unusual soundscape. The composer is candid about his relationship with the filmmaker and the strengths and weaknesses of the movie, including the decision to play the climactic twist ending without music (Goldsmith says that Charlton Heston was a bit over the top by himself, and didn't need any score to accompany him!). Note that this is a commentary track and NOT an isolated score with composer comments -- I'm not sure if the early news about this DVD was incorrect or not, but anyone anticipating an isolated score should be aware that there isn't one here.

For other new supplements, Fox's 35th Anniversary Edition adds a strong text commentary track (filled with excellent ancedotes), and a secondary audio commentary with Kim Hunter, John Chambers, and the late Roddy McDowall, which obviously was cobbled together from old interviews. While this might have been a good idea, the track is so sporadic in nature that you might think someone made a mistake in the editing department (long stretches of time go by with no commentary at all).

Far better is the inclusion, on the second disc, of the outstanding "Behind the Planet of the Apes" two-hour documentary. This is the same documentary that AMC produced for the Apes' 30th Anniversary a few years ago, but it's still the best single program made about the creation of the series. Also on the supplemental disc are a handful of vintage featurettes and trailers, from a NATO reel to even brief footage of Don Taylor and J. Lee Thompson directing the third and fourth entries in the series, respectively. Nearly 20 minutes of Roddy McDowall's home movies are also included, and the transfer on these materials is surprisingly pristine.

While a few of these featurettes and the documentary were previously released by Image in their excellent 2-disc "Behind the Planet of the Apes" DVD set (which also contained an unedited, two-hour interview with McDowall that's worth the price of that release alone), Fox has upped the ante of this "Apes" DVD by remastering the film itself in 16:9 and including 5.1 DTS and Dolby Digital soundtracks. Those with huge plasma TVs may see a striking difference between this DVD and the previous release, though truth be told they looked comparable on my standard TV set, with the new transfer appearing slightly more colorful. The soundtracks also sound identical -- DTS doesn't do a whole lot to increase the fidelity of late '60s theatrical sound.

Nevertheless, the addition of the text anecdotes, Goldsmith's commentary, and a few new featurettes will make this "Apes" edition a definite purchase for fans, while the inclusion of the two-hour documentary makes this, overall, the definitive DVD release of the 1968 sci-fi classic to date.
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: James [JamesA1102@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:51 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: "And that completes my final report..."

I for one want to appaud Dave/Caesar's efforts to revitalize this
group. He deserves our support, not critizism. For too long this was
a house without parents where the children were left to run amok.
Any community needs rules and someone to enforce them. Without them
you have anarchy. Now thanks to Dave/Caesar this group can regain
its former glory and I want to thank him for his efforts.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> The POTA film phenomenon began with a soliloquy from a man who was
> essentially an iconoclastic, pessimistic philosopher. He was
giving
> his "final report"... and, unfortunately, in regards to this Yahoo
> POTA group, I find myself in a similar situation. This will be my
> final message to this group -- provided, of course, that the
recently-
> returned moderator allows it to go through.
>
> What I loved about this group was that there was no moderation,
save
> that which was practiced by each member willingly. People were
free
> to disagree; people were free to let themselves get mean-spirited
in
> their disagreements, and "flame-wars" would erupt. And a lot of
folks
> got to disliking that, preferring to be in a POTA chat site where
> they could feel safe that such "offensive" confrontationalism
would
> not disturb their online experiences.
>
> That led to the creation of an alternative POTA Yahoo site, where
its
> moderators would crack-the-whip and exercise powers of Censorship,
> and would threaten to Ban members (and then actually do so). As
far
> as I was (and am) concerned, however well-meaning such a method
may
> be, it is in its way just another form of intolerance. And, like
all
> other forms of intolerance, it stifles communication between
people
> who will fear to voice an opinion lest somebody take 'offense' at
it.
> What recourse is there when ANYBODY can claim to be offended at
> ANYTHING whatsoever? Where does it end?
>
> This Yahoo POTA group's moderator, Dave, is a well-intentioned
guy,
> and I don't want anybody here to think that I don't recognize
that.
> But he and I have differing views on what kinds of censorship are
> considered acceptable: I don't think that ANY kind is ever a good
> thing, whereas he makes room for it in cases of
potential 'offense'
> (witness his post below).
>
> For a long time I have trumpeted this group's virtues, of it being
> the ONLY site in Yahoo-land where POTA fans could say what they
want
> to say without fear of having their messages yanked for supposed
> unsuitability. Without fear of being 'disinvited' -- which is the
> effect that the threat of censorship has on me. Without fear of
> having past archived messages deleted, in retrospect -- which has
> recently been advocated on this site. In my opinion, that is
> ethically equivalent to Zaius destroying the artifacts Cornelius
> discovered -- and to the forced lobotomization of Landon: the
> destruction of Memory, of Identity. Like it or not, those archived
> messages depict what this group's members are REALLY like -- warts
> and all.
>
> Dave has assured me, in private e-mails, that he will not be
deleting
> any of those archives, which is good to hear. However, he has
refused
> to post a message I attempted to send several days ago, for fear
that
> it would 'offend' somebody. Thus, in my opinion, POTA fans have
lost
> the only site in Yahoo-land where they could voice an opinion --
no
> matter how controversial, potentially-offensive, or unsettling it
may
> be -- without fear of being subjected to censorship.
>
> I begged Dave not to go down that route. I told him that in my
> opinion it would do more harm than good, by stifling free speech.
He
> and I see things differently. But... this is HIS group, no matter
the
> fact that he left it to its own devices for a looooong time -- and
he
> can do whatsoever he wants with it. Unfortunately, he's decided to
> start doing things as a moderator that just don't sit well with
me. I
> know he means well, and I respect that, but it just bugs the ****
> outta me that a POTA site -- of ALL places -- is reverting to a
> speech-stifling modus operandi. Free speech is at the very heart
of
> what the POTA films (etc) were really all about. They weren't
> just "adventures among the monkeys" -- they were ABOUT something.
And
> any POTA group, in my opinion, ought to exemplify that same
> something. It saddens me that Dave's group no longer does. He has
> good intentions, I know, but somebody once said that the road to
Hell
> is paved with 'em, and in my view that's what has happened here.
>
> I'll continue to 'lurk' over here, on occasion, but in good
> conscience I cannot be an active member anymore, because I do not
> feel FREE to be a contributing member. Being censored doesn't sit
> well with me, and though it pains me I've found that I have had to
do
> something I didn't think would ever be necessary. And I just KNOW
I'm
> gonna get pilloried for it by certain someones out there, but
here's
> what's what: because I want there to be a place in Yahoo-land
where
> POTA fans can enjoy the unqualified freedom to have their say,
free
> of any fears of being censored or banned, I did what Dave
suggested,
> and started up a Yahoo POTA group of my own. It may very well be
that
> I'll be the only person posting messages on it, like Heston
in "THE
> GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD" as John-the-Baptist, crying in the
> wilderness and all that. But I want there to be a place where
anybody
> can say what they want to say and not be censored or banned. If
they
> make asses outta themselves, by intentionally provoking animosity,
so
> be it. I won't encourage such involvement by anybody, but as long
as
> it ain't criminal (i.e. libelous, that sort of thing), I'll allow
it.
> Anybody can join, if they so desire. People who don't want to find
> themselves potentially reading a "flame" here and there may not
> particularly wish to, but they will always be FREE to, if they so
> desire.
>
> The homepage is at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_Phenomenon
>
> The group's email address is:
> POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
>
> If I have something to say about POTA, chances are it'll be posted
> there. Those of you who don't care about anything I may have to
say
> about POTA will undoubtedly ignore me and this new group, which
they
> are free to do. To each their own. If you'd like to join it, it's
> open to everybody, and anybody will be able to access its archives
> (which, so far, only have my 1st message in it, thought). And I
will
> be a hands-off moderator; I will never ban a member, nor will I
ever
> censor anybody's post. I don't like when it happens to me, and I
> don't ever think it's a good thing, even when a part of me would
like
> to exercise that power. For me, that's "the dark side", and I'm
> bewaring it.
>
> It's been fun -- until recently, that is -- and I wish you all
well.
>
> "And that completes my final report..."
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 1-27-2004
>

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Just saw this review on Amazon for the new DVD. Thought is was of
interest.

Love Apes, Hate Greed, January 14, 2004

Reviewer: John Gentile from Hoboken, NJ 

This is the third time Fox has release "Planet of the Apes" on DVD.
First in a box set with the four other movies and a documentary
disc, second by itself. Now the 35th Anniversary edition. All the
extras you see listed are simply repeated, except for the commentary
by the actors and Jerry Goldsmith. Is it worth another 25-20 bucks
for this edition, if you have the first? It depends on how big a
fanatic you are.

However, it is amazing how many times a studio will rerelase a film
on DVD, milking the die-hard fans of more money every few years.
It's simply not fair. The first edition should have included
commentary (after all, this commentary had to be taped a while ago
since Roddy McDowell has long since passed away).
Studios love when a format (such as VHS) becomes obsolete, they can
sell their libraries all over again.

The Simpsons hit the nail on the head in a recent episode. Homer is
marching through a garbage dump. He passes by a pile of VHS tapes,
next he passes an empty spot with a sign: "Reserved for DVD's".

If you are looking to upgrade your VHS copy, maybe you should wait
for the Apes Virtual Reality Chip. On second thought, go for the
DVD, it'll be good for the economy!

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-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:40 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "And that completes my final report..."

In a message dated 1/29/2004 1:45:24 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  There's another group that started for the same reason,
potaextreme@yahoogroups.com  (better title). The POTA people have been blown
to the four winds. - - - Jeff

 

Better that than to sit here a listen to certain people gloat.

-----Original Message-----
From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:59 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "And that completes my final report..."

The POTA film phenomenon began with a soliloquy from a man who was
essentially an iconoclastic, pessimistic philosopher. He was giving
his "final report"... and, unfortunately, in regards to this Yahoo
POTA group, I find myself in a similar situation. This will be my
final message to this group -- provided, of course, that the recently-
returned moderator allows it to go through.

What I loved about this group was that there was no moderation, save
that which was practiced by each member willingly. People were free
to disagree; people were free to let themselves get mean-spirited in
their disagreements, and "flame-wars" would erupt. And a lot of folks
got to disliking that, preferring to be in a POTA chat site where
they could feel safe that such "offensive" confrontationalism would
not disturb their online experiences.

That led to the creation of an alternative POTA Yahoo site, where its
moderators would crack-the-whip and exercise powers of Censorship,
and would threaten to Ban members (and then actually do so). As far
as I was (and am) concerned, however well-meaning such a method may
be, it is in its way just another form of intolerance. And, like all
other forms of intolerance, it stifles communication between people
who will fear to voice an opinion lest somebody take 'offense' at it.
What recourse is there when ANYBODY can claim to be offended at
ANYTHING whatsoever? Where does it end?

This Yahoo POTA group's moderator, Dave, is a well-intentioned guy,
and I don't want anybody here to think that I don't recognize that.
But he and I have differing views on what kinds of censorship are
considered acceptable: I don't think that ANY kind is ever a good
thing, whereas he makes room for it in cases of potential 'offense'
(witness his post below).

For a long time I have trumpeted this group's virtues, of it being
the ONLY site in Yahoo-land where POTA fans could say what they want
to say without fear of having their messages yanked for supposed
unsuitability. Without fear of being 'disinvited' -- which is the
effect that the threat of censorship has on me. Without fear of
having past archived messages deleted, in retrospect -- which has
recently been advocated on this site. In my opinion, that is
ethically equivalent to Zaius destroying the artifacts Cornelius
discovered -- and to the forced lobotomization of Landon: the
destruction of Memory, of Identity. Like it or not, those archived
messages depict what this group's members are REALLY like -- warts
and all.

Dave has assured me, in private e-mails, that he will not be deleting
any of those archives, which is good to hear. However, he has refused
to post a message I attempted to send several days ago, for fear that
it would 'offend' somebody. Thus, in my opinion, POTA fans have lost
the only site in Yahoo-land where they could voice an opinion -- no
matter how controversial, potentially-offensive, or unsettling it may
be -- without fear of being subjected to censorship.

I begged Dave not to go down that route. I told him that in my
opinion it would do more harm than good, by stifling free speech. He
and I see things differently. But... this is HIS group, no matter the
fact that he left it to its own devices for a looooong time -- and he
can do whatsoever he wants with it. Unfortunately, he's decided to
start doing things as a moderator that just don't sit well with me. I
know he means well, and I respect that, but it just bugs the ****
outta me that a POTA site -- of ALL places -- is reverting to a
speech-stifling modus operandi. Free speech is at the very heart of
what the POTA films (etc) were really all about. They weren't
just "adventures among the monkeys" -- they were ABOUT something. And
any POTA group, in my opinion, ought to exemplify that same
something. It saddens me that Dave's group no longer does. He has
good intentions, I know, but somebody once said that the road to Hell
is paved with 'em, and in my view that's what has happened here.

I'll continue to 'lurk' over here, on occasion, but in good
conscience I cannot be an active member anymore, because I do not
feel FREE to be a contributing member. Being censored doesn't sit
well with me, and though it pains me I've found that I have had to do
something I didn't think would ever be necessary. And I just KNOW I'm
gonna get pilloried for it by certain someones out there, but here's
what's what: because I want there to be a place in Yahoo-land where
POTA fans can enjoy the unqualified freedom to have their say, free
of any fears of being censored or banned, I did what Dave suggested,
and started up a Yahoo POTA group of my own. It may very well be that
I'll be the only person posting messages on it, like Heston in "THE
GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD" as John-the-Baptist, crying in the
wilderness and all that. But I want there to be a place where anybody
can say what they want to say and not be censored or banned. If they
make asses outta themselves, by intentionally provoking animosity, so
be it. I won't encourage such involvement by anybody, but as long as
it ain't criminal (i.e. libelous, that sort of thing), I'll allow it.
Anybody can join, if they so desire. People who don't want to find
themselves potentially reading a "flame" here and there may not
particularly wish to, but they will always be FREE to, if they so
desire.

The homepage is at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_Phenomenon

The group's email address is:
POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com

If I have something to say about POTA, chances are it'll be posted
there. Those of you who don't care about anything I may have to say
about POTA will undoubtedly ignore me and this new group, which they
are free to do. To each their own. If you'd like to join it, it's
open to everybody, and anybody will be able to access its archives
(which, so far, only have my 1st message in it, thought). And I will
be a hands-off moderator; I will never ban a member, nor will I ever
censor anybody's post. I don't like when it happens to me, and I
don't ever think it's a good thing, even when a part of me would like
to exercise that power. For me, that's "the dark side", and I'm
bewaring it.

It's been fun -- until recently, that is -- and I wish you all well.

"And that completes my final report..."

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 1-27-2004

-----------------------------------------------------------------

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I know I promised a posting guidelines e-mail last week, but I've
been busy, and have only tonight has the chance to type this up...
>
> Essentially all I'm asking is that we all keep posts which are
insults or other such comments about other list members off the list.
In short, if it will offend another member, and the post is about
them, it shouldn't be sent. If you have any questions about a
specific post I will be happy to address them off the list. If you do
not know if a comment might offend another member of the list please
e-mail me about it.
>
> I don't care what has gone on in the past here, everyone has a
fresh start. I truly hope all list members can get along, but I
understand that is unlikely. All I ask is that you check your anger
at the door and talk about POTA, not who you like or dislike.  If
anyone offends you, please let me know offlist, and if you must have
your say on the list, please be polite. Let the list know your
offended by a comment politely and ask for an apology, and if you
happen to be the offending party, please apologize. Any arguments or
hatred have no place here. Personal disagreements are just that, and
should be dealt with privately, not on the list.
>
> Regarding other posts, I have no problem with the occasional off
topic post, but please label it as such. As far as controversial
subjects go, Please label them "PO" for potentially offensive. If any
subject is too edgy, another list for people who wish to speak about
it is a possibility. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
>
> I hope you everyone is enjoying the list more lately then before,
and if you have any concerns, I am always available off the list to
discuss them
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dave/Caesar

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-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:48 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: "And that completes my final report..."

 

For too long this was a house without parents where the children were left to run amok.

 

I doubt this will get through, but I'll give it a shot.  As far as people behaving like children, yeah, you got that right.  Lord of the Flies.  Certain kids ran off with the conch shell and now their back on this side of the island.  And since they get to make snide comments like this and get away with it, I think I'll follow Patrick's lead and bail.  It's been fun kids.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:21 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Review: PLANET OF THE APES: 35th Anniversary Edition

If the real target is people who just want the first movie, I have a few problems:

 

(1) Haven't most of these people bought the "bare bones" movie?

 

(2) Wouldn't those JUST wanting to see Planet want to pay $12 - $15 for it.....not $30?

 

(3) Wouldn't the previews of the sequels be enough to get back those who liked the first movie (and these are one the "bare bones" version)?

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:10 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Review: PLANET OF THE APES: 35th Anniversary Edition

  I'd rather have Goldsmith blabbing than an isolated score. I could just listen to the soundtrack.

  This release is kind of a rip-off to fans who bought the "Behind" 2-disc, but the real target is the people who just want the first movie. At least this way the documentary comes with it and it might interest them in the sequels. The doc is very eloquent about the sequels. I know at least one young fan who became a fan because of the documentary. - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; band6@...

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:21 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Review: PLANET OF THE APES: 35th Anniversary Edition

From FILMSCOREMONTHLY.COM:  A surprise here -- no isolated score!???

PLANET OF THE APES: 35th Anniversary Edition (****, 1968), Available February 3rd. 112 mins., G, Fox. DVD SPECIAL FEATURES: Commentary by Jerry Goldsmith; commentary by John Chambers, Kim Hunter and Roddy McDowall; Full-length "Behind the Planet of the Apes" documentary; featurettes, trailers; text commentary; 2.35 Widescreen (16:9 enhanced), 5.1 DTS and Dolby Digital sound.

Two-disc re-issue of the original and best film in the "Planet of the Apes" series boasts a newly enhanced 16:9 transfer and a few new supplements, including a commentary track by Jerry Goldsmith.

Goldsmith is on-hand to talk about his experience working with Franklin F. Schaffner, utilizing early synthesizers and divulging some of the tricks he employed to create the movie's unusual soundscape. The composer is candid about his relationship with the filmmaker and the strengths and weaknesses of the movie, including the decision to play the climactic twist ending without music (Goldsmith says that Charlton Heston was a bit over the top by himself, and didn't need any score to accompany him!). Note that this is a commentary track and NOT an isolated score with composer comments -- I'm not sure if the early news about this DVD was incorrect or not, but anyone anticipating an isolated score should be aware that there isn't one here.

For other new supplements, Fox's 35th Anniversary Edition adds a strong text commentary track (filled with excellent ancedotes), and a secondary audio commentary with Kim Hunter, John Chambers, and the late Roddy McDowall, which obviously was cobbled together from old interviews. While this might have been a good idea, the track is so sporadic in nature that you might think someone made a mistake in the editing department (long stretches of time go by with no commentary at all).

Far better is the inclusion, on the second disc, of the outstanding "Behind the Planet of the Apes" two-hour documentary. This is the same documentary that AMC produced for the Apes' 30th Anniversary a few years ago, but it's still the best single program made about the creation of the series. Also on the supplemental disc are a handful of vintage featurettes and trailers, from a NATO reel to even brief footage of Don Taylor and J. Lee Thompson directing the third and fourth entries in the series, respectively. Nearly 20 minutes of Roddy McDowall's home movies are also included, and the transfer on these materials is surprisingly pristine.

While a few of these featurettes and the documentary were previously released by Image in their excellent 2-disc "Behind the Planet of the Apes" DVD set (which also contained an unedited, two-hour interview with McDowall that's worth the price of that release alone), Fox has upped the ante of this "Apes" DVD by remastering the film itself in 16:9 and including 5.1 DTS and Dolby Digital soundtracks. Those with huge plasma TVs may see a striking difference between this DVD and the previous release, though truth be told they looked comparable on my standard TV set, with the new transfer appearing slightly more colorful. The soundtracks also sound identical -- DTS doesn't do a whole lot to increase the fidelity of late '60s theatrical sound.

Nevertheless, the addition of the text anecdotes, Goldsmith's commentary, and a few new featurettes will make this "Apes" edition a definite purchase for fans, while the inclusion of the two-hour documentary makes this, overall, the definitive DVD release of the 1968 sci-fi classic to date.
 

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> i guess if you LOOOOVE Goldmith, you would probably pay $50 just

> commentary.
>
> Me, I see this as MORE disappointing than POTA2001. At least that

> original, not just a clip-show mentality.
>
> Michael
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'pota@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:59 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] I really hope that DOES completes your final report...

Anyone who thinks freedom is something that goes without responsibility is actually not free at all.  They are instead a slave to their own hypocrisy.

 

I think Jeff's "Veetus" strip (possibly rather accidentally) summed it up perfectly (I saw these on Dan's site and really enjoyed them).....Veetus is released from prison and realises the main difference is leg-space!

 

We all have freedom of speech, and we al have rights.

 

But nobody should have the right to place their own self-importance over the rights of others to enjoy a hassle-free environment.

 

If you blow your own horn loudly and frequently, you should be nice enough to play in tune and not be surprised if people throw things at you when they are trying to sleep!

 

David, you had NO choice but to intervene and apply moderation to the individuals in this group who care only about themselves.  You know what you are trying to achieve and that obviously dictates how you set about achieving that.  If you want a group for no other reason than to prove to the world that anyone can say anything they like without consequence......then you would LOVE what Patrick has to say.  If you indeed wish for a "hassle free" environment to talk apes, where nobody puts others down, claiming they are "better" or "more knowledgable" fan (yeah, right!), then you are on the right track.  Jeff, weren't YOU going to try to get the keys to run this group?  WOuld you not have moderated it?  I don't know what the difference will be to anyone who is here to talk about Planet of the Apes.  But if you are here really to attack people, then I can see how moderation, taking that power away from you, would upset you.

 

And freedom of speech was a VERY SMALL part of the movie series - it had alot more to do with how to get on in harmony with your neighbours and mainly the conequences of NOT doing so.  With actions come consequences, with free speech comes the responsibility to consider what you are saying and the consequences of that.  People then make decisions based on their foresight and then come the consequences.

 

David, you are doing a wonderful job and, just for the record, I think there are TWO of my posts you decided NOT to publish.  After discussion with you, I entirely agreed and understood.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:59 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "And that completes my final report..."

The POTA film phenomenon began with a soliloquy from a man who was
essentially an iconoclastic, pessimistic philosopher. He was giving
his "final report"... and, unfortunately, in regards to this Yahoo
POTA group, I find myself in a similar situation. This will be my
final message to this group -- provided, of course, that the recently-
returned moderator allows it to go through.

What I loved about this group was that there was no moderation, save
that which was practiced by each member willingly. People were free
to disagree; people were free to let themselves get mean-spirited in
their disagreements, and "flame-wars" would erupt. And a lot of folks
got to disliking that, preferring to be in a POTA chat site where
they could feel safe that such "offensive" confrontationalism would
not disturb their online experiences.

That led to the creation of an alternative POTA Yahoo site, where its
moderators would crack-the-whip and exercise powers of Censorship,
and would threaten to Ban members (and then actually do so). As far
as I was (and am) concerned, however well-meaning such a method may
be, it is in its way just another form of intolerance. And, like all
other forms of intolerance, it stifles communication between people
who will fear to voice an opinion lest somebody take 'offense' at it.
What recourse is there when ANYBODY can claim to be offended at
ANYTHING whatsoever? Where does it end?

This Yahoo POTA group's moderator, Dave, is a well-intentioned guy,
and I don't want anybody here to think that I don't recognize that.
But he and I have differing views on what kinds of censorship are
considered acceptable: I don't think that ANY kind is ever a good
thing, whereas he makes room for it in cases of potential 'offense'
(witness his post below).

For a long time I have trumpeted this group's virtues, of it being
the ONLY site in Yahoo-land where POTA fans could say what they want
to say without fear of having their messages yanked for supposed
unsuitability. Without fear of being 'disinvited' -- which is the
effect that the threat of censorship has on me. Without fear of
having past archived messages deleted, in retrospect -- which has
recently been advocated on this site. In my opinion, that is
ethically equivalent to Zaius destroying the artifacts Cornelius
discovered -- and to the forced lobotomization of Landon: the
destruction of Memory, of Identity. Like it or not, those archived
messages depict what this group's members are REALLY like -- warts
and all.

Dave has assured me, in private e-mails, that he will not be deleting
any of those archives, which is good to hear. However, he has refused
to post a message I attempted to send several days ago, for fear that
it would 'offend' somebody. Thus, in my opinion, POTA fans have lost
the only site in Yahoo-land where they could voice an opinion -- no
matter how controversial, potentially-offensive, or unsettling it may
be -- without fear of being subjected to censorship.

I begged Dave not to go down that route. I told him that in my
opinion it would do more harm than good, by stifling free speech. He
and I see things differently. But... this is HIS group, no matter the
fact that he left it to its own devices for a looooong time -- and he
can do whatsoever he wants with it. Unfortunately, he's decided to
start doing things as a moderator that just don't sit well with me. I
know he means well, and I respect that, but it just bugs the ****
outta me that a POTA site -- of ALL places -- is reverting to a
speech-stifling modus operandi. Free speech is at the very heart of
what the POTA films (etc) were really all about. They weren't
just "adventures among the monkeys" -- they were ABOUT something. And
any POTA group, in my opinion, ought to exemplify that same
something. It saddens me that Dave's group no longer does. He has
good intentions, I know, but somebody once said that the road to Hell
is paved with 'em, and in my view that's what has happened here.

I'll continue to 'lurk' over here, on occasion, but in good
conscience I cannot be an active member anymore, because I do not
feel FREE to be a contributing member. Being censored doesn't sit
well with me, and though it pains me I've found that I have had to do
something I didn't think would ever be necessary. And I just KNOW I'm
gonna get pilloried for it by certain someones out there, but here's
what's what: because I want there to be a place in Yahoo-land where
POTA fans can enjoy the unqualified freedom to have their say, free
of any fears of being censored or banned, I did what Dave suggested,
and started up a Yahoo POTA group of my own. It may very well be that
I'll be the only person posting messages on it, like Heston in "THE
GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD" as John-the-Baptist, crying in the
wilderness and all that. But I want there to be a place where anybody
can say what they want to say and not be censored or banned. If they
make asses outta themselves, by intentionally provoking animosity, so
be it. I won't encourage such involvement by anybody, but as long as
it ain't criminal (i.e. libelous, that sort of thing), I'll allow it.
Anybody can join, if they so desire. People who don't want to find
themselves potentially reading a "flame" here and there may not
particularly wish to, but they will always be FREE to, if they so
desire.

The homepage is at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/POTA_Phenomenon

The group's email address is:
POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com

If I have something to say about POTA, chances are it'll be posted
there. Those of you who don't care about anything I may have to say
about POTA will undoubtedly ignore me and this new group, which they
are free to do. To each their own. If you'd like to join it, it's
open to everybody, and anybody will be able to access its archives
(which, so far, only have my 1st message in it, thought). And I will
be a hands-off moderator; I will never ban a member, nor will I ever
censor anybody's post. I don't like when it happens to me, and I
don't ever think it's a good thing, even when a part of me would like
to exercise that power. For me, that's "the dark side", and I'm
bewaring it.

It's been fun -- until recently, that is -- and I wish you all well.

"And that completes my final report..."

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 1-27-2004

-----------------------------------------------------------------

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, souiofangelus@a... wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I know I promised a posting guidelines e-mail last week, but I've
been busy, and have only tonight has the chance to type this up...
>
> Essentially all I'm asking is that we all keep posts which are
insults or other such comments about other list members off the list.
In short, if it will offend another member, and the post is about
them, it shouldn't be sent. If you have any questions about a
specific post I will be happy to address them off the list. If you do
not know if a comment might offend another member of the list please
e-mail me about it.
>
> I don't care what has gone on in the past here, everyone has a
fresh start. I truly hope all list members can get along, but I
understand that is unlikely. All I ask is that you check your anger
at the door and talk about POTA, not who you like or dislike.  If
anyone offends you, please let me know offlist, and if you must have
your say on the list, please be polite. Let the list know your
offended by a comment politely and ask for an apology, and if you
happen to be the offending party, please apologize. Any arguments or
hatred have no place here. Personal disagreements are just that, and
should be dealt with privately, not on the list.
>
> Regarding other posts, I have no problem with the occasional off
topic post, but please label it as such. As far as controversial
subjects go, Please label them "PO" for potentially offensive. If any
subject is too edgy, another list for people who wish to speak about
it is a possibility. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
>
> I hope you everyone is enjoying the list more lately then before,
and if you have any concerns, I am always available off the list to
discuss them
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dave/Caesar

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> "Planet of the Apes" certainly isn't the first movie being
rereleased on DVD. Apparently people rebuy movies because they keep
doing this (at least until the DVD craze dies down). And there will
always be new people who discover the movie on TV or young people
who hear about it for the first time who don't have it yet.
> As for hardcore fans who won't get much new, they'll think of it
as yet another "collectible". Paying $20 for a new DVD is a better
deal than paying $100 for a toy or $30 for a comic book. How's the
packaging on this? Is it "cool"? - - - Jeff
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> I think Goldsmith's commentary will be enlightening. He's one of
the
> few that are still alive from the original production. Plus the
> score itself is groudbreaking.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...>
> wrote:
> > i guess if you LOOOOVE Goldmith, you would probably pay $50 just
> for the
> > commentary.
> >
> > Me, I see this as MORE disappointing than POTA2001. At least
that
> was ALL
> > original, not just a clip-show mentality.
> >
> > Michael
> >

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:11 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] It's a rip-off


> I never said it ISN'T enlightening. It is GREAT that someone has
> finally got this as an option.....BUT WHY MAKE A BIG DEAL OF IT? It
> should have been a STANDARD inclusion on the FIRST release.
>
> Anyone who wants to twist what I'm saying, go ahead and do so. But
> the reality is, all I ever said was that to the standard ape fan,
> and certainly to Joe Average, the Goldsmith commentary is not enough
> to save this DVD from being an absolute RIP OFF as far as value goes.
>
> I know Rory would cut off his right hand for it, but by his own
> admission Rory sets himself up as a lonely, elitist POTA fan who has
> categories of "real fan" and "silly fan" - you guessed it....he's
> the REAL fan and the rest of us are SILLY fans.
>
> So, like I said, Goldsmith is important to 0.05% of potential
> buyers, and not even CLOSE to making the re-purchase worthwhile.
> This DVD is an absolute RIP-OFF!
>
> Michael
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > I think Goldsmith's commentary will be enlightening. He's one of
> the
> > few that are still alive from the original production. Plus the
> > score itself is groudbreaking.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > wrote:
> > > i guess if you LOOOOVE Goldmith, you would probably pay $50 just
> > for the
> > > commentary.
> > >
> > > Me, I see this as MORE disappointing than POTA2001. At least
> that
> > was ALL
> > > original, not just a clip-show mentality.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Michael, do you have the "Behind" 2-disc? For those who don't
have it,
> even if they have the documenatry from the box set, it's worth it.
For me
> it's just nice to have a new "Ape" event and the possibility that
something
> is out there to show Fox there's still interest. That's worth $20.
Sounds
> like the commentaries were rushed. Don't forget, a year ago Fox
said they
> had no plans for new Ape stuff. For some reason they decided a 35th
> anniversary edition was a necessity (though I consider it
the "Year of the
> Monkey" edition). It sounds like there's a lot of silence in the
> commentaries, which seems like laziness or not enough time. Since
they're
> using old interviews they could've crammed it full. I was the one
yelling
> "Rip off" when this was announced but now I'm satisfied with
taking the
> bullet for the betterment of Apekind. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:11 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] It's a rip-off
>
>
> > I never said it ISN'T enlightening. It is GREAT that someone has
> > finally got this as an option.....BUT WHY MAKE A BIG DEAL OF
IT? It
> > should have been a STANDARD inclusion on the FIRST release.
> >
> > Anyone who wants to twist what I'm saying, go ahead and do so.
But
> > the reality is, all I ever said was that to the standard ape fan,
> > and certainly to Joe Average, the Goldsmith commentary is not
enough
> > to save this DVD from being an absolute RIP OFF as far as value
goes.
> >
> > I know Rory would cut off his right hand for it, but by his own
> > admission Rory sets himself up as a lonely, elitist POTA fan who
has
> > categories of "real fan" and "silly fan" - you guessed it....he's
> > the REAL fan and the rest of us are SILLY fans.
> >
> > So, like I said, Goldsmith is important to 0.05% of potential
> > buyers, and not even CLOSE to making the re-purchase worthwhile.
> > This DVD is an absolute RIP-OFF!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > > I think Goldsmith's commentary will be enlightening. He's one
of
> > the
> > > few that are still alive from the original production. Plus the
> > > score itself is groudbreaking.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> > <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > i guess if you LOOOOVE Goldmith, you would probably pay $50
just
> > > for the
> > > > commentary.
> > > >
> > > > Me, I see this as MORE disappointing than POTA2001. At least
> > that
> > > was ALL
> > > > original, not just a clip-show mentality.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> I never said it ISN'T enlightening. It is GREAT that someone has
> finally got this as an option.....BUT WHY MAKE A BIG DEAL OF IT?

> should have been a STANDARD inclusion on the FIRST release.
>
> Anyone who wants to twist what I'm saying, go ahead and do so.

> the reality is, all I ever said was that to the standard ape fan,
> and certainly to Joe Average, the Goldsmith commentary is not

> to save this DVD from being an absolute RIP OFF as far as value

>
> I know Rory would cut off his right hand for it, but by his own
> admission Rory sets himself up as a lonely, elitist POTA fan who

> categories of "real fan" and "silly fan" - you guessed it....he's
> the REAL fan and the rest of us are SILLY fans.
>
> So, like I said, Goldsmith is important to 0.05% of potential
> buyers, and not even CLOSE to making the re-purchase worthwhile.
> This DVD is an absolute RIP-OFF!
>
> Michael
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:09 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] It's NOT a rip-off (Behind, that is)!


> Jeff,
>
> Yes I do have the Behind Special Edition DVD and that is GOLD!
>
> Yes, they re-hashed something most ape fans got in the box sets, but
> there was extra footage and it was BURSTING with extras that were
> either unseen or only seen in very poor condition until then.
>
> Yes Jeff, there are positives to this event, but OVERALL it is a
> real kick in the guts JUST like Burton's POTA. And as we mostly
> agree, it is a bit like the Adventure comics too - great that there
> is something happening, but what a shame they missed the opportunity
> to do something really worthwhile...AGAIN!
>
> And yes, I think we have reversed roles on this one Jeff! At first
> I got excited (as I always do when I hear something new POTA is
> happening) and of course I was always going to buy it - but I'm that
> idiot you described who buys anything (classic) POTA with the logo
> on it at any price, not your average consumer or the average POTA
> fan. It isn't whether or not I am going to buy it that concerns me -
> it's the question:
>
> "What chance are we going to have at getting Return released and
> Deleted Scenes and Extended Edition POTA DVDs?"
>
> The answer, if this pathetic excuse for a marketing excercise ends
> up with the Medicoms in the Bargain DVD Bin selling for $2 each,
> is "NONE AT ALL".
>
> Sadly, the OTHER answer, if it sells like hotcakes, is also
> unclear. They might then want the public to wait a VERY long time
> before getting anything released of any real value, because they
> know what suckers we are.
>
> It's a "lose-lose" situation.
>
> Michael
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Michael, do you have the "Behind" 2-disc? For those who don't
> have it,
> > even if they have the documenatry from the box set, it's worth it.
> For me
> > it's just nice to have a new "Ape" event and the possibility that
> something
> > is out there to show Fox there's still interest. That's worth $20.
> Sounds
> > like the commentaries were rushed. Don't forget, a year ago Fox
> said they
> > had no plans for new Ape stuff. For some reason they decided a 35th
> > anniversary edition was a necessity (though I consider it
> the "Year of the
> > Monkey" edition). It sounds like there's a lot of silence in the
> > commentaries, which seems like laziness or not enough time. Since
> they're
> > using old interviews they could've crammed it full. I was the one
> yelling
> > "Rip off" when this was announced but now I'm satisfied with
> taking the
> > bullet for the betterment of Apekind. - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:11 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] It's a rip-off
> >
> >
> > > I never said it ISN'T enlightening. It is GREAT that someone has
> > > finally got this as an option.....BUT WHY MAKE A BIG DEAL OF
> IT? It
> > > should have been a STANDARD inclusion on the FIRST release.
> > >
> > > Anyone who wants to twist what I'm saying, go ahead and do so.
> But
> > > the reality is, all I ever said was that to the standard ape fan,
> > > and certainly to Joe Average, the Goldsmith commentary is not
> enough
> > > to save this DVD from being an absolute RIP OFF as far as value
> goes.
> > >
> > > I know Rory would cut off his right hand for it, but by his own
> > > admission Rory sets himself up as a lonely, elitist POTA fan who
> has
> > > categories of "real fan" and "silly fan" - you guessed it....he's
> > > the REAL fan and the rest of us are SILLY fans.
> > >
> > > So, like I said, Goldsmith is important to 0.05% of potential
> > > buyers, and not even CLOSE to making the re-purchase worthwhile.
> > > This DVD is an absolute RIP-OFF!
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > > > I think Goldsmith's commentary will be enlightening. He's one
> of
> > > the
> > > > few that are still alive from the original production. Plus the
> > > > score itself is groudbreaking.
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> > > <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > i guess if you LOOOOVE Goldmith, you would probably pay $50
> just
> > > > for the
> > > > > commentary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Me, I see this as MORE disappointing than POTA2001. At least
> > > that
> > > > was ALL
> > > > > original, not just a clip-show mentality.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: James [JamesA1102@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:41 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: It's a rip-off

But I think Rory makes a valid point that it's anamorphic. That is a
major upgrade. Even without all the extras for that alone it's worth
it.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> I never said it ISN'T enlightening.  It is GREAT that someone has
> finally got this as an option.....BUT WHY MAKE A BIG DEAL OF IT? 
It
> should have been a STANDARD inclusion on the FIRST release.
>
> Anyone who wants to twist what I'm saying, go ahead and do so. 
But
> the reality is, all I ever said was that to the standard ape fan,
> and certainly to Joe Average, the Goldsmith commentary is not
enough
> to save this DVD from being an absolute RIP OFF as far as value
goes.
>
> I know Rory would cut off his right hand for it, but by his own
> admission Rory sets himself up as a lonely, elitist POTA fan who
has
> categories of "real fan" and "silly fan" - you guessed it....he's
> the REAL fan and the rest of us are SILLY fans.
>
> So, like I said, Goldsmith is important to 0.05% of potential
> buyers, and not even CLOSE to making the re-purchase worthwhile. 
> This DVD is an absolute RIP-OFF!
>
> Michael
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:10 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Review: PLANET OF THE APES: 35th Anniversary Edition

  I'd rather have Goldsmith blabbing than an isolated score. I could just listen to the soundtrack.

  This release is kind of a rip-off to fans who bought the "Behind" 2-disc, but the real target is the people who just want the first movie. At least this way the documentary comes with it and it might interest them in the sequels. The doc is very eloquent about the sequels. I know at least one young fan who became a fan because of the documentary. - - - Jeff

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From: James [JamesA1102@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:27 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: something interesting

Interesting. So the Corrington's did have a specific view. But the
final rewrite was done by Dehn so I guess he either changed things
back.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "greg" <gbharris1@y...> wrote:
> I just recieved a copy of the first draft story outline that John
> and Joyce Corrington worked out as a treatment for Battle for the
> POTA.  This was their effort that was eventually worked in with
> Dehn's treatment and became Battle. 
> Anyway, I thought this was interesting concerning the alternate
> timeline theory that has been discussed here before.  I will quote
> directly from the written page:
>
> There is only one significant character in the Prologue-Epilogue,
> the Lawgiver, who has put into form all the accumulated wisdom of
> apes and man gathered since the great nuclear catastrophe wherein
> both the human and simian races were devastated and rendered
almost
> extinct.  However the Lawgiver in this picture will speak very
> different words from those we have previously heard attributed to
> him in the Sacred Scrolls in other scripts.  This difference and
> others to be noted is due to alterations of that historical track
> which we have seen worked out in previous films.  The central
story
> details these changes in ape history which are due primarily to
the
> influence of CAESAR on apes and humans.
>
> After that it goes into the flashback sequence telling the history
> of the ape revolution, the war, etc...
> I thought this was almost like some sort of proof of what the
script
> writers were thinking about as far as the linear or alternate
> timeline theory goes.  Of course it is the Corringtons view on
this
> and not Dehns.
> Any more thoughts on this???
>
> Greg#2

In a message dated 2/1/04 11:42:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, Haristas writes:

In a message dated 1/31/04 8:19:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I agree with you that the "Behind" 2-disc is gold and between that and the
TV show I'm feeling very forgiving toward Fox re: DVDs. And I look at this
DVD as a "safety copy" of those great extras (I've already had DVDs bust on
me, they're not invincible). Rip-off, yes. End of the world, no. And let's
be happy for Rory. - - - Jeff

I don't know about the "Behind" DVD being gold.  I was actually unhappy with it because I thought Fox should have insisted that some of those extras be saved for the DVD we're about to get now for PLANET.  And the thing I'm still unhappy about is that featurettes involving the sequels are on a DVD for PLANET.

If I were in control of this DVD I would have gone after Mort Abrahams to do the second commentary, editing in just some of the stuff that's been used for the cheat commentary.  I would have spent the money to do the best possible on the soundtrack.  I would NOT have used anything by Eric Greene, since his interpretation is just that -- HIS.  And I wouldn't have had any mention of the sequels.

But this is the reality: Fox got enough letters to know that there was enough of a desire out there for a new DVD of PLANET to merit the effort, but their efforts are probably a direct result of what they think is the sales potential of the disc.  I don't think they think it's going to be a great seller and so they haven't gone to great efforts on it.

That's that.  That's the situation, that's the reality.  You get a hold of that and hang on to it or you might as well be dead.  I'm happy to take what I can get.  I'm sure I'll enjoy watching it on my 16X9 HD TV and I hope I'll really enjoy listening to Jerry Goldsmith talk during the movie and seeing the Roddy McDowall home movies.  They are a dream come true for me.

It doesn't bother me at all that I'm not seeing deleted footage which may or may not still exsist.  Schaffner and others didn't think it should make the final cut and who am I to second guess them thirty-six years later?



-- Rory, the lonely (loner), elitist one!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> I'm not surprised by it. It has always been obvious to me that
there was an
> alternate timeline created by the events of ESCAPE, something that
is not a
> matter of "my opinion" but simple FACT.
>

> My question now is;
> since it seems that Conquest and Battle took place on the West

> mean that the world is not destroyed by the Eastern Ape Cities war

> agression on the Mutants?

-----Original Message-----
From: James [JamesA1102@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:20 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Battle

Well if it's a fact, you wouldn't mind quoting the line of dialogue
in Escape that conclusively establishes that fact. Surely the
filmmakers would want to make it clear to the audience the story
they were telling.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> I'm not surprised by it.  It has always been obvious to me that
there was an
> alternate timeline created by the events of ESCAPE, something that
is not a
> matter of "my opinion" but simple FACT.

> Nah, they all know we are genuises and we can work it out

> call it a FACT! ;)
>
> Michael
>

-----Original Message-----
From: James [JamesA1102@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 3:17 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Battle

I guess that applies to the mothership too. So that's a fact as
well;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> Nah, they all know we are genuises and we can work it out
ourselves...then
> call it a FACT!  ;)
> 
> Michael

> Show me the motheship in a script draft and I'll be a lot closer

> that it could be an assumption by the scriptwriters.
>
> Michael
>

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Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:48 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] You got what you wanted, Tiger!

From today's IMDB.COM.  I got my copy today and will post comments as soon as I can.  I know Whitty can't wait.




Planet of the Apes: 35th Anniversary Edition on DVD
Get your paws on the 35th Anniversary Edition of Planet of the Apes, now available on DVD. Astronaut George Taylor (Charlton Heston) crash-lands on a planet where apes evolved into the dominant life form and man is the hunted animal in this science fiction classic. This 2-disc DVD is classic as well and includes commentary by composer Jerry Goldsmith and producer Richard Zanuck, as well as the late Roddy Mc Dowall and Kim Hunter (Cornelius and Zira). The discs are packed with extras including trailers, "behind-the-scenes" featurettes for Apes and its sequels, stills, Easter Eggs, some of McDowall's home movies, makeup tests on Edward G. Robinson and much, much more! [Buy Planet of the Apes on DVD.]

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Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 1:33 AM
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Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Arclight POTA screening

Funny watching the the new DVD yesterday I was thinking the same
thing about the color being a bit off in some scenes. Although the
sound mix on new DVD is much better.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   According to Mort, this print was recently made (presumably for
the new DVD). It looked great to me but some complained it looked
too washed out in spots. I'd say overall it didn't look as sharp as
the 30th anniversary print that was shown previously. The sound was
terrible but I think the culprit was their sound system at the
theater.

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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Battle

In a message dated 2/4/2004 12:27:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Show me the line in a script draft where it states an alternate
timeline was created by C&Z.

 

Well in the opening and ending of Battle, isn't it 27XX or other and humans are still speaking? That might speak volumes for there being an alternate time line.

 

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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Battle

In a message dated 2/3/2004 10:37:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Well if it's a fact, you wouldn't mind quoting the line of dialogue
in Escape that conclusively establishes that fact. Surely the
filmmakers would want to make it clear to the audience the story
they were telling.

 

 

Well, Zira claims that the Earth was destroyed in 3950 something, Brent claims it's 3955, but Taylors chrono clearly said 3976 (oddly enough an anniversary if there was still a US to celebrate it). I'd like to think that Brent's Chrono got busted on reentry from the time warp and that Taylors was shorting out...

 

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Subject: [PotaDG] Arclight POTA screening

  I just got back from the "Year of the Monkey" screening of POTA1968 at the Arclight cinema in Hollywood. Part of their "Hollywood's Master Storytellers" series that includes classic and recent flicks. "Casablanca" is next up. A couple weeks ago they did "Terminator 2" with guest James Cameron. March will have Pierce Brosnan and "Thomas Crown Affair". Actually this was called the 35th anniversary screening but I don't acknowledge that title. It's 2004, not 2003! Eric Greene invited me; there was a Q&A after the screening with Eric, Mort Abrahams (producer) and Buck Kartalian (Julius). I taped the event. I'll try to get it up this weekend, and after that maybe I'll post the transcript. Wish me luck on getting it up.
  Meanwhile, I'll throw out some random stuff:
  According to Mort, this print was recently made (presumably for the new DVD). It looked great to me but some complained it looked too washed out in spots. I'd say overall it didn't look as sharp as the 30th anniversary print that was shown previously. The sound was terrible but I think the culprit was their sound system at the theater.
  Before the showing it was announced tongue in cheek that this was not the Tim Burton version. This remark got big applause. The audience reaction was in line with other times I've seen the film. Heston's iconic performance drew some laughs and some applause during the over the top Hestonian moments. Any sexual innuendo between Taylor and Nova was very appreciated by the audience (this time they especially loved the line , "She was to be the new Eve, with our hot and eager help". And of course moments like "Take you stinking paws off me...", the Statue of liberty and Taylor insisting on keeping a gun got huge applause. Overall the audience was enthusiastic and very forgiving of the bad sound.
  Mort Abrahams described in detail the 6 year process of getting the picture made. He mentioned how studio head/POTA2001 producer Richard Zanuck got fed up with trying to get a greenlight and threatened to throw Jacobs and Mort out of his office if they brought it up. But they made a presentation based on the success of "Fantastic Voyage" (which, like "Apes", Zanuck considered a "gimmick" picture) and finally got a "Go".  The rest of the talk I'll present later, maybe Feb. 8th. But privately I did ask Mort about deleted scenes and he seemed sure they would be in Fox Archives. He was surprised they weren't on the DVD and asked if the makeup test is. I told him it is but almost everything is a repeat from previous DVDs. His face betrayed disdain for the usual studio b.s.
  Talking to Buck later he said that Mort told him he (Mort) had been invited to a preview screening of POTA2001 by Zanuck and turned it down. Mort's never seen it and has no interest. Buck says he's never heard a good word about POTA2001 and hated it himself. No story, how did the humans know to congregate at the ship, the hero never got his hair mussed up, etc. Oh, and Mort's been married to the same lady for 62 years.
  Also, during the movie, they had the audience write down questions and the people whose questions were asked received the new DVD. I guess they gave out about 10 DVDs. More later. - - - Jeff


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Jeff,

 

Sorry about the wisecrack!

 

This really is fascinating.  It must have been very exciting for you to sit there with this "bunch".  How come Goldsmith wasn't there?  ;)

 

Did you tell them that you didn't HATE Burton's POTA or did diplomacy dictate that you would be better to keep your mouth shut?  ;)

 

Thanks for asking about the deleted scenes.  We may be one step closer to getting an answer on them.  Any chance Mort might take it upon himself to contact "an old friend" at Fox to ask more questions?  Or maybe that Dick Zanuck (read that how you like!) would be the better ambassador for asking such questions.

Loking forward to reading the transcript.

 

Did the other two groups get Greg #2's post about the Corrington's first treatment of Battle containing text that states the lawgiver was intended to show the audience that the timeline had changed?  I'd hate to distract them from better subject matter ;) but it is an interesting revelation.

 

Michael

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Subject: [PotaDG] Arclight POTA screening

  I just got back from the "Year of the Monkey" screening of POTA1968 at the Arclight cinema in Hollywood. Part of their "Hollywood's Master Storytellers" series that includes classic and recent flicks. "Casablanca" is next up. A couple weeks ago they did "Terminator 2" with guest James Cameron. March will have Pierce Brosnan and "Thomas Crown Affair". Actually this was called the 35th anniversary screening but I don't acknowledge that title. It's 2004, not 2003! Eric Greene invited me; there was a Q&A after the screening with Eric, Mort Abrahams (producer) and Buck Kartalian (Julius). I taped the event. I'll try to get it up this weekend, and after that maybe I'll post the transcript. Wish me luck on getting it up.
  Meanwhile, I'll throw out some random stuff:
  According to Mort, this print was recently made (presumably for the new DVD). It looked great to me but some complained it looked too washed out in spots. I'd say overall it didn't look as sharp as the 30th anniversary print that was shown previously. The sound was terrible but I think the culprit was their sound system at the theater.
  Before the showing it was announced tongue in cheek that this was not the Tim Burton version. This remark got big applause. The audience reaction was in line with other times I've seen the film. Heston's iconic performance drew some laughs and some applause during the over the top Hestonian moments. Any sexual innuendo between Taylor and Nova was very appreciated by the audience (this time they especially loved the line , "She was to be the new Eve, with our hot and eager help". And of course moments like "Take you stinking paws off me...", the Statue of liberty and Taylor insisting on keeping a gun got huge applause. Overall the audience was enthusiastic and very forgiving of the bad sound.
  Mort Abrahams described in detail the 6 year process of getting the picture made. He mentioned how studio head/POTA2001 producer Richard Zanuck got fed up with trying to get a greenlight and threatened to throw Jacobs and Mort out of his office if they brought it up. But they made a presentation based on the success of "Fantastic Voyage" (which, like "Apes", Zanuck considered a "gimmick" picture) and finally got a "Go".  The rest of the talk I'll present later, maybe Feb. 8th. But privately I did ask Mort about deleted scenes and he seemed sure they would be in Fox Archives. He was surprised they weren't on the DVD and asked if the makeup test is. I told him it is but almost everything is a repeat from previous DVDs. His face betrayed disdain for the usual studio b.s.
  Talking to Buck later he said that Mort told him he (Mort) had been invited to a preview screening of POTA2001 by Zanuck and turned it down. Mort's never seen it and has no interest. Buck says he's never heard a good word about POTA2001 and hated it himself. No story, how did the humans know to congregate at the ship, the hero never got his hair mussed up, etc. Oh, and Mort's been married to the same lady for 62 years.
  Also, during the movie, they had the audience write down questions and the people whose questions were asked received the new DVD. I guess they gave out about 10 DVDs. More later. - - - Jeff


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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:11 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Sound

In a message dated 2/5/04 2:01:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I've got a very expensive, very good Yamaha DTS amplifier with $2000 worth of Bose Surround speakers and I can't really tell the difference in the sound.  Someone else (Alan Maxwell maybe?) said the same - that the sound on this DVD does not seem to be much better at all in many parts.

Michael

Coming from you, this doesn't surprise me.

as i understand it,rory has left the group...

which leads me to think: where will he go? what will he find?




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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 7:41 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New Member

In a message dated 2/7/04 11:20:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, mego73@... writes:

Speaking of rare video, does anyone remember or have the little behind the
scenes featurette that CBS once ran before one of the Apes movies. It's not
on the new DVD and it's not on the Image Behind The POTA DVD. What I
remember most about it is that they showed them applying the makeup and they
made a point of pointing out how they paint the actor's teeth black.

Mike

I believe CBS ran one after they showed PLANET for the first time in September of 1973, and I think they ran one after BENEATH when they showed that one about a month and a half later, but I'm not sure if they ever showed another one after any of the other movies.

They are out there somewhere in the universe.

-- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I have a CBS featurette I got from Eric Greene. I think it was to promote the premiere of "Battle". I'd have to look at it again. - - -
Jeff
>
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> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 7:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New Member
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> In a message dated 2/7/04 11:20:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, mego73@h... writes:
>
>
>
> Speaking of rare video, does anyone remember or have the little behind the
> scenes featurette that CBS once ran before one of the Apes movies. It's not
> on the new DVD and it's not on the Image Behind The POTA DVD. What I
> remember most about it is that they showed them applying the makeup and they
> made a point of pointing out how they paint the actor's teeth black.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> I believe CBS ran one after they showed PLANET for the first time in September of 1973, and I think they ran one after BENEATH
when they showed that one about a month and a half later, but I'm not sure if they ever showed another one after any of the other
movies.
>
> They are out there somewhere in the universe.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/5/2004 11:10:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> melkor2345@y... writes:
> Here is a picture filmed in 1967 of Linda Harrison playing Wonder
> Woman. Anyone want to guess what it is from?
>
> It's from a TV thing that she did where her Diana Prince was very
mousy and I
> believe, played by a different actress.
>
> "Truth, Doctor is in the eye of the beholder. I never tell the
truth, because
> I don't beleive there is such a thing."
>
> - Garak to Dr. Bashir - Cardassians

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> It has always been obvious to me that there was an alternate
timeline created
> by the events of ESCAPE, something that is not a matter of "my
opinion" but
> simple FACT.
>
> My thoughts on this as well.....
>
> All of you that want to believe there's a circular timeline where
everything
> starts all over again and it all happens the same way over and
over, more
> power to you, BUT YOU'RE WRONG!
>
>
> EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:20 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Timeline

It has always been obvious to me that there was an alternate timeline created by the events of ESCAPE, something that is not a matter of "my opinion" but simple FACT.

My thoughts on this as well.....

All of you that want to believe there's a circular timeline where everything starts all over again and it all happens the same way over and over, more power to you, BUT YOU'RE WRONG!


EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA 35th DVD review

From www.thecinemalaser.com:

PLANET OF THE APES
35TH ANNIVERSARY EDITION

"Somewhere in the universe there has to be something better than man…"
-- Astronaut George Taylor

Unquestionably, PLANET OF THE APES is one of the most compelling and enduring science fiction films of the 1960's. A brilliant blend of social and political allegory, wrapped up in the veneer of first class science fiction- the movie has become cinematic icon that spawned movie four sequels, as well as TV series, plus a recent motion picture remake that tried its hand at reinventing the popular movie franchise. Loosely adapted from a novel by Pierre Boulle, the strength of 1968's PLANET OF THE APES actually stems from a captivating screen story, a protagonist with whom every viewer can relate, the movie's convincing ape makeup, and finally, one of the most memorable surprise endings in the history of the cinema.

In its opening minutes PLANET OF THE APES introduces a group of astronauts, who are undertaking an interstellar mission, in a spacecraft that is moving very close to the speed of light. Unexpectedly, the astronauts are awaked from suspended animation when their craft crash-lands into an inland sea on an unknown planet. Lead astronaut George Taylor (Charlton Heston) is able to read the sinking spacecraft's chronometer before abandoning ship and discovers that more than two thousand years have elapses since he and his comrades left Earth. With any chance of rescue a virtual impossibility, Taylor and his shipmates begin a trek across the desert looking for any signs of life on this alien world. After depleting their supplies, the astronauts come upon a lush jungle populated with primitive humans. However, any thoughts the astronauts may have of running the show on this strange, new world are quickly extinguished, when they encounter the planet's dominant species.

On this upside-down world, apes are intelligent creatures with their own society- a society in which humans are lowly animals to be hunted, or to be used in medical experiments to benefit simian science. Captured by the apes and deprived of the power of speech by a gunshot wound, Taylor finds himself with no way of differentiating himself from the mute primitives that surround him.. Eventually, Taylor is able to convince sympathetic chimpanzee scientists Zira (Kim Hunter) and Cornelius (Roddy McDowall) of his intelligence. However, when Taylor regains his poer of speech, he quicly discovers that the existence of an intelligent, speaking human flies in the face of accepted simian doctrine. The very notion of this talking human is especially troublesome for simian chief scientist and defender of the faith, Dr. Zaius (Maurice Evans), who wants to eradicate every trace of Taylor's existence with all due haste. PLANET OF THE APES then builds to an unforgettable climax, which, as I mentioned above, has become one of the most memorable in the history of the cinema. The cast of PLANET OF THE APES also includes James Whitmore, James Daly, Linda Harrison, Robert Gunner, Lou Wagner, Woodrow Parfrey, Jeff Burton and Buck Kartalian.

For this 35th Anniversary Edition release, 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment has made PLANET OF THE APES available on DVD in a 2.35:1 wide screen presentation that has been enhanced for 16:9 playback. Rectifying the mistake of their first DVD issue of the film, this 16:9 enhanced version of PLANET OF THE APES looks fantastic. The image is on this DVD is very sharp and produces terrific clarity and detail. However, unlike the preceding release, this DVD produces better image definition and subtle detail, which is certain to please anyone with a large-scale 16:9 display (like Rory Monteith, king of the POTA fans). Colors are very solidly rendered, with vibrant hues and natural looking flesh tones. Blacks appear reasonably accurate and the whites are crisp. Shadow detail is on par for a late sixties production and the contrast is generally smooth. The film element used for the transfer appears very clean, although one will notice a mild grain structure in various places. Digital compression artifacts are always well contained.

For this release, PLANET OF THE APES comes with 5.1 channel soundtracks in both the Dolby Digital and DTS varieties. Given the age of the original recordings, one would normally question the necessity of including a DTS track on this DVD release. However, considering the presence of Jerry Goldsmith's impressive score for PLANET OF THE APES, Fox make the right choice by affording it the best possible sonic presentation. With that said, there are the expected sonic limitations in the sound mix- both fidelity wise and sound effects wise (which are always held to the barest minimum in the original sound design). Certainly, DTS renders Jerry Goldsmith's score as clean and robust as these thirty five year old recordings can sound, but the DTS also underlines the dated quality of the film's sound effects.

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The forward soundstage dominates the mix, with good channel separation. As for the surround channels, they primarily add a bit of fill to the score. Dialogue is always completely understandable, but some of the voices are occasionally a bit edgy. While the DTS track does get the nod, the Dolby Digital is very similar in character to the higher bit rate format, and does an admirable job with Goldsmith's music. French surround and Spanish monaural tracks are also provided, as are English and Spanish subtitles.

Full motion video, animation and sound serve to enhance the DVD's interactive menus. Through the menus, one has access to standard scene selection and set up features, as well as a fine array of supplement materials, which have been spread across both discs of this set. Disc one features two running audio commentaries; the first is with composer Jerry Goldsmith, while the second includes actors Roddy McDowall, Natalie Trundy, Kim Hunter, make-up Artist John Chambers.  The second commentary track has been edited together from various sources and is more than a bit sparse in places. A text commentary by Eric Greene, author of "Planet Of The Apes As American Myth" is also featured on disc one.

Moving onto disc two, one will find the majority of the supplemental programming. In the Exploring The Apes section, one will find Behind The Planet Of The Apes Documentary - a terrific two-hour documentary that made its debut on American Movie Classics. Hosted by Roddy McDowall, Behind The Planet Of The Apes Documentary looks at all five films in the series, but the emphasis and most of the screen time being allotted to the original PLANET OF THE APES. A promo for the documentary is also included in Exploring The Apes, as is a makeup test with Edward G. Robinson, Roddy McDowall's home movies, silent dailies and outtakes, plus a specialized trailer for N.A.T.O.. There is also an original 1968 featurette, a thirteen minute Look Behind the Planet of the Apes from 1972, in addition to footage of directors Don Taylor and Lee Thompson working on the later sequels to close out the section. The Publicity section features theatrical trailers for all five movies, various text film reviews, plus domestic and international poster art. The Galleries section includes costume design sketches and various production photographs and stills. Ape Phenomenon consists of images of merchandising and prop items from private collections. Disc two is also DVD-ROM enabled, which gives one access to an "apes" chronology.

PLANET OF THE APES is indeed one of the most unforgettable films from the science fiction genre and a movie that has become a cinematic icon. 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment finally gives PLANET OF THE APES its due by releasing it in a 35th Anniversary Edition that presents it in 16:9 enhanced widescreen (something that fans have been clamoring for), plus the DVD features DTS audio and a fine body of supplemental features. Hopefully Fox accede to fans wishes for the remaining four films, and will be re-releasing them in 16:9 enhanced widescreen presentations. As for this widescreen release of PLANET OF THE APES, it is indeed very highly recommended (except for Michael Whitty, who's a turd and thinks it's a rip-off -- and hates Jerry Goldsmith!).

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... [Mithril1960@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:44 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Timeline

In a message dated 2/9/2004 9:38:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I already told you guys I'm not arguing this.  Either you get or you don't.  Otherwise, just grow up and get a life.

 

As a new member, I am offended by your nasty reply, be you list owner or not. What's wrong with a little healthy discussion? But kindly keep your rudeness either to yourself, or toss me off the damn list.

 

"Truth, Doctor is in the eye of the beholder. I never tell the truth, because I don't beleive there is such a thing."

- Garak to Dr. Bashir - Cardassians

-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... [Mithril1960@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:44 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Timeline

In a message dated 2/9/2004 9:38:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I already told you guys I'm not arguing this.  Either you get or you don't.  Otherwise, just grow up and get a life.

 

As a new member, I am offended by your nasty reply, be you list owner or not. What's wrong with a little healthy discussion? But kindly keep your rudeness either to yourself, or toss me off the damn list.

 

"Truth, Doctor is in the eye of the beholder. I never tell the truth, because I don't beleive there is such a thing."

- Garak to Dr. Bashir - Cardassians

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> It's not that I'm closed minded, I just don't want anything to do
with James
> arguing the timeline again and again. You got in the middle of it.
>
> -- Rory