I agree Dave that a few edges would need to be taken off Hostage for
it to be an episode as we know it.Virdon getting smoochy would
probably have to go,and there are probably too many Apes to
handle.Also, the names 'Black' and 'Decker' could be usefully ditched
in my opinion! I think that some of the humans did have a spark of
fight and intelligence in the series.Dalton in The Gladiators is a
deep thinker and let's not forget the bossman in The
Liberator.There's also a paid assassin in The Tyrant and Arn's
husband in The Legacy was executed as a rebel.Maybe not all of the
fight has been knocked out of humanity.Which makes sense if Urko's
job is to have any justification, I suppose.I think maybe humanity,
between the TV Series and Taylor landing, DID have one final revolt
and got the snot kicked out of it by Urko and co, leading to our
ultimate demise and mute servility.Good thing too, I say. John,
Scrolls.

Well I was born in 1976, so my premiere of the TV show wasn't till
the mid 80's when the series was re-run on local television. I
must've been about 10yrs old and I remember getting a brand new VHS
tape to make sure I recorded each episode each week. My favourites
are definitely "Good Seed" and "The Horse Race". I love the series
so much more than the films, cos they concentrated more on ape daily
life. I love the whole 70's rustic feel to the series and will be re-
watching it with that same childhood feelgood factor.

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
pota group:

Was the inclusion of the dog and the
picture of New York City in 'Escape
from Tomorrow':

o A sloppy continuity error by the TV series producers.
o An attempt to let the audience know that the TV show was a different POTA universe than the Movies.


To vote, please visit the following web page:
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Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
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Thanks!

In the 'Friends and Fugitives' group
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/friends_and_fugitives/ there
has been some discussion as to whether the dog seen in 'Escape from
Tomorrow & the picture of NYC were a continuity error or an attempt
to seperate the TV series from the movies.

I created a poll to see what most members feel about this.

I personally think it was a combination of both. However, it was a
convention in those days that TV series based on movies were not
sequels. The series 'The Odd Couple' ignores the ending of the
movie/play. Even personal details about Oscar and Felix are
different. In the movie Felix was a TV news writer & his ex-wife is
named Frances and Oscar had kids. In the TV series Felix was a
Commercial Photographer (portraits a specialty) & his ex-wife was
named Gloria and Oscar had no children.

The same is true of 'MASH' where the film ended with the Korean War
ending. And the series based on 'Logan's Run' in which the pilot
retold the first half of the movie.

My personal opinion was that the TV series producers were playing
things fast and loose trying to have it both ways. They placed the
series on the West Coast, away from the action of most of the films,
and in a time frame, 3085, that was also away from the time period
of the films. That left them with a certain amount of freedom but
also allowed them to tie into the films somewhere down the road if
need be. That's just my opinion. What does everyone else think?

>
> Was the inclusion of the dog and the
> picture of New York City in 'Escape
> from Tomorrow':
>
> o A sloppy continuity error by the TV series producers.
> o An attempt to let the audience know that the TV show was a

different POTA universe than the Movies.

>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=1402761
>

I recall reading somewhere, and I don't remember where, that part of the
universe for POTA TV was created the way it was because they felt it
would be boring to have mute humans, and the mutants were too much
for a television audience in those days...So, they had to move back
in time, somewhere before the beginning of POTA and after the ending
of BFTPOTA...That way humans could talk and they still lived "with"
the apes, but they would be servants/slaves...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> My personal opinion was that the TV series producers were playing
> things fast and loose trying to have it both ways. They placed the
> series on the West Coast, away from the action of most of the
films,
> and in a time frame, 3085, that was also away from the time period
> of the films. That left them with a certain amount of freedom but
> also allowed them to tie into the films somewhere down the road if
> need be. That's just my opinion. What does everyone else think?

In a message dated 9/15/04 8:48:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

> My personal opinion was that the TV series producers were playing
> things fast and loose trying to have it both ways. They placed the
> series on the West Coast, away from the action of most of the films,
> and in a time frame, 3085, that was also away from the time period
> of the films. That left them with a certain amount of freedom but
> also allowed them to tie into the films somewhere down the road if
> need be. That's just my opinion. What does everyone else think?
>
>

Yeah, that and the fact that perhaps and quite probably no one working on TV
show knew the movies in every detail. McDowall probably paid attention to
nothing more than his little bit of it, so that's that. We're free of course to
just ignore the dog stuff in the TV show.

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 9/15/04 9:07:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
HotScheetz@... writes:

> I recall reading somewhere, and I don't remember where, that part of the
> universe for POTA TV was created the way it was because they felt it
> would be boring to have mute humans, and the mutants were too much
> for a television audience in those days...So, they had to move back
> in time, somewhere before the beginning of POTA and after the ending
> of BFTPOTA...That way humans could talk and they still lived "with"
> the apes, but they would be servants/slaves...
>
> G
>

And what a mistake that was!

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The dog can be ignored. It can also be explained by assuming the
Apes breed them from other canine species. Since they had a 1000
years to do it, it might be possible.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> Yeah, that and the fact that perhaps and quite probably no one
working on TV
> show knew the movies in every detail. McDowall probably paid
attention to
> nothing more than his little bit of it, so that's that. We're
free of course to
> just ignore the dog stuff in the TV show.
>
> -- Rory
>

I hope everyone knows about the POTA figures at toyzz.com. They just got some more in
at incredibly cheap prices.
I got all my medicom figures at once from them for under 70 bucks. Mint on card too.

mark

I think that's from the book 'Planet of the Apes Revisited'.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> I recall reading somewhere, and I don't remember where, that part
of the
> universe for POTA TV was created the way it was because they felt
it
> would be boring to have mute humans, and the mutants were too much
> for a television audience in those days...So, they had to move
back
> in time, somewhere before the beginning of POTA and after the
ending
> of BFTPOTA...That way humans could talk and they still
lived "with"
> the apes, but they would be servants/slaves...
>
> G
>

True, the TV series, maybe due to cost, focused more on humans than
on the Apes. Their mistake was that the success of the films was due
to the audiences interest in the Apes and their culture.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

>
> And what a mistake that was!
>
> -- Rory

Thanks Mark. Those Medicom Kubricks of Urko and the Gorilla Solider
are really cute.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
> I hope everyone knows about the POTA figures at toyzz.com. They
just got some more in
> at incredibly cheap prices.
> I got all my medicom figures at once from them for under 70 bucks.
Mint on card too.
>
> mark

In a message dated 9/15/04 10:12:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

> Thanks Mark. Those Medicom Kubricks of Urko and the Gorilla Solider
> are really cute.
>

Everybody.....



Save your money for Sideshow!

-- Rory


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Hey.... I see on Amazon somebody selling the 35th Anniversary POTA DVD brand
new for only $13.69.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/offer-listing/B0000TPA4C/ref=dp_bb_a//002-8348140-6458460?condition=all

If you don't have it already....

And here's a recent comment left at Amazon from a no doubt gun-loving Chuck
fan:

Awesome in its Purest Form, September 10, 2004
Reviewer: Embrodak "Dude" (Planet Earth) - See all my reviews
This film is absolutely brilliant in every respect. Heston is great in the
lead, and I don't see why everybody bashes him. The concept is great, the ending
is great, and it's easily in my top three films of all time. Also, anybody
who says the newer Planet of the Apes is better should be shot because Tim
Burton absolutely killed this classic.

Don't anybody say POTA 2001 was better, okay? Not even Landon after the
operation would be that crazy.

-- Rory




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Has anyone checked out Amok Time?...Their prices are better than
SideShow (Lawgiver Statue $99), and they have everything but the
three "exclusives"...

http://amoktime.com/

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:


> Save your money for Sideshow!
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

on 9/15/04 9:25 PM, Haristas@... at Haristas@... wrote:


And here's a recent comment left at Amazon from a no doubt gun-loving Chuck
fan:

Awesome in its Purest Form, September 10, 2004
Reviewer: Embrodak "Dude" (Planet Earth) - See all my reviews
This film is absolutely brilliant in every respect. Heston is great in the
lead, and I don't see why everybody bashes him. The concept is great, the
ending
is great, and it's easily in my top three films of all time. Also, anybody
who says the newer Planet of the Apes is better should be shot because Tim
Burton absolutely killed this classic.

Don't anybody say POTA 2001 was better, okay? Not even Landon after the
operation would be that crazy.

-- Rory



Well then I suppose I'm a "gun-loving Chuck fan" too.

Will


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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:

> I recall reading somewhere, and I don't remember where, that part of the
> universe for POTA TV was created the way it was because they felt it
> would be boring to have mute humans.

I'm sure I've read someone also saying that mute humans would also have
seriously lessened any chance of getting half-decent guest stars for any
human roles.

Isn't another dog seen later in the series wandering one of the ruined cities?
(The Legacy I think)

The dog is a good topic of discussion but what you inevitably end up with is
yet another example of the flexibility of POTA. It can be made to mean what
ever the individual wants it to. Now if THAT was the producers intention then
that's pretty impressive.

Dave

The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: What is your favorite Medicom Figure?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Taylor (Astronaut), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Gorilla Soldier (Planet), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Nova, 1 votes, 8.33%
- Zira (Ape clothing), 2 votes, 16.67%
- Dr. Zaius, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Cornelius (Ape clothing), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Lucius, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Taylor (Loincloth), 0 votes, 0.00%
- The Lawgiver, 4 votes, 33.33%
- General Ursus, 1 votes, 8.33%
- Gorilla Soldier (Beneath), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Dr. Milo (Astronaut), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Zira (Astronaut), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Cornelius (Astronaut), 1 votes, 8.33%
- Caesar (Conquest), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Conquest Gorilla, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Conquest Chimp, 0 votes, 0.00%
- General Aldo, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Caesar (Battle), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Urko, 3 votes, 25.00%
- Gorilla Soldier (TV Series), 0 votes, 0.00%



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In a message dated 9/16/04 1:09:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
HotScheetz@... writes:

> Has anyone checked out Amok Time?...Their prices are better than
> SideShow (Lawgiver Statue $99), and they have everything but the
> three "exclusives"...
>
> http://amoktime.com/
>

Most of my Sideshow pre-orders are with Amoktime. They're in Levittown, NY
and on June 29, 1968 I saw PLANET for the second time at the Levittown Theatre.

-- Rory


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True, but I still think it would be nice to get a hold of the series
writers guide to see what the intentions of the producers really
was.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
>
> The dog is a good topic of discussion but what you inevitably end
up with is
> yet another example of the flexibility of POTA. It can be made to
mean what
> ever the individual wants it to. Now if THAT was the producers
intention then
> that's pretty impressive.
>
> Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
wrote:

> True, but I still think it would be nice to get a hold of the series
> writers guide to see what the intentions of the producers really
> was.

I don't, because it would probably prove you right and I would
have to go and have a hissy fit :0)

Do you think there was such a guide? I know it's the norm now
(the bible) and I know that Serling suggested some guidlines
early in pre production but how specific do you think - if it existed
- it would have been. A luxury bound hardcover or a few hasty
notes scrawled on a used tissue?

Dave

the dog looks to me like he may have been a pitbull mix.
as someone who lives with pits, it gives me great pride to see that pits will still be around in the far future.
and in all seriousness, it is beleiveable to me that a pit could survive the ecologically brutal world of a post-nuclear holocaust world.
rob/ron

James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
True, but I still think it would be nice to get a hold of the series
writers guide to see what the intentions of the producers really
was.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
>
> The dog is a good topic of discussion but what you inevitably end
up with is
> yet another example of the flexibility of POTA. It can be made to
mean what
> ever the individual wants it to. Now if THAT was the producers
intention then
> that's pretty impressive.
>
> Dave






go vegetarian!


---------------------------------

hey freinds-
i ahve ordered medicoms from both amoktime and toyzz.
please be aware that you will pay a huge amount for shipping.
its still a good deal, though. (usually)
rob-ron

Haristas@... wrote:
In a message dated 9/16/04 1:09:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
HotScheetz@... writes:

> Has anyone checked out Amok Time?...Their prices are better than
> SideShow (Lawgiver Statue $99), and they have everything but the
> three "exclusives"...
>
> http://amoktime.com/
>

Most of my Sideshow pre-orders are with Amoktime. They're in Levittown, NY
and on June 29, 1968 I saw PLANET for the second time at the Levittown Theatre.

-- Rory


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yes, very interesting.
i would like to see that figure.

pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:
POLL QUESTION: What is your favorite Medicom Figure?
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Nova (No clothing), 38 votes, 75%
- Taylor (Astronaut), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Gorilla Soldier (Planet), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Nova, 1 votes, 8.33%
- Zira (Ape clothing), 2 votes, 16.67%
- Dr. Zaius, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Cornelius (Ape clothing), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Lucius, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Taylor (Loincloth), 0 votes, 0.00%
- The Lawgiver, 4 votes, 33.33%
- General Ursus, 1 votes, 8.33%
- Gorilla Soldier (Beneath), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Dr. Milo (Astronaut), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Zira (Astronaut), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Cornelius (Astronaut), 1 votes, 8.33%
- Caesar (Conquest), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Conquest Gorilla, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Conquest Chimp, 0 votes, 0.00%
- General Aldo, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Caesar (Battle), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Urko, 3 votes, 25.00%
- Gorilla Soldier (TV Series), 0 votes, 0.00%



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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:

>
> I don't, because it would probably prove you right and I would
> have to go and have a hissy fit :0)

I don't know that it would. It may or may not.

>
> Do you think there was such a guide? I know it's the norm now
> (the bible) and I know that Serling suggested some guidlines
> early in pre production but how specific do you think - if it

existed

> - it would have been. A luxury bound hardcover or a few hasty
> notes scrawled on a used tissue?
>
> Dave

I can't imagine that it didn't exist. There was one for Star Trek
that I saw once years ago. So they were done for shows in the 60s.

There would need to be something to tell the writers about the
characters as well as the basic premise of the show. How extensive
it was is anybody's guess.

LOL It took me a minute to get this.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> yes, very interesting.
> i would like to see that figure.
>

It would also be nice to have the series bible to find out if there
were any plans to do something with the disc or maybe why it
disappeared after the second episode.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
>
> Do you think there was such a guide? I know it's the norm now
> (the bible) and I know that Serling suggested some guidlines
> early in pre production but how specific do you think - if it
existed
> - it would have been. A luxury bound hardcover or a few hasty
> notes scrawled on a used tissue?
>
> Dave

Some questions from a POTA fan sent to me:

1) In the first movie, four astronauts are sent into outer space attempting to go into the future. My question is why would NASA spend millions of taxpayers dollars to fund this? What would be the benefit to Earth for this effort? Also, their space ship is not equipped to land and then launch back into space, so anything they discover would stay with them.

2) Also in the first movie, you'd think Taylor would guess he was on Earth, considering the planet had oxygen, oceans, trees, clouds and cornfields. Plus, the apes rode horses, used shotguns, and spoke English. Yet Taylor thinks he's on another planet until the end of the movie.

3) In the sequel, a rescue ship is sent to find Taylor. This ship is similar to the first one: in other words, it too is not equipped to land and blast off again. There is no way it could. So why was it sent? In the 1970's, as now, space ships need HUGE liquid fuel tanks to escape a planet's or moon's gravity.

4) This next point really puzzles me. At the end of movie two, the earth is destroyed by a neutron bomb. At the beginning of the third film, we learn that three of the apes have somehow found Taylor's ship at the bottom of the lake, raised it, cleaned it up, and magically launched it into outer space just as the bomb was destroying the earth. This is all the more amazing since The apes in the first movie didn't even think flight was possible. Now all of a sudden, they're piloting space ships. I enjoyed the 3rd movie a lot, but I really think this is a huge gap in logic.


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Welcome to the Planet of the Apes...Feel free to come on in and
browse around...And to post...

Glen

Terry,

These are the sorts of questions people have declared war over...=)

IMHO:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Hoknes" <hoknes@h...> wrote:
> Some questions from a POTA fan sent to me:
>
> 1) In the first movie, four astronauts are sent into outer space
attempting to go into the future. My question is why would NASA
spend millions of taxpayers dollars to fund this? What would be the
benefit to Earth for this effort? Also, their space ship is not
equipped to land and then launch back into space, so anything they
discover would stay with them.

**It is the spacial distance they are sent which causes the future
move through time...They get caught in a "Hasslein Curve", a "bend in
time"...They are a colonizing in Orion...Some believe the ship is a
two stage affair that malfunctions on re-entry...
>
> 2) Also in the first movie, you'd think Taylor would guess he was
on Earth, considering the planet had oxygen, oceans, trees, clouds
and cornfields. Plus, the apes rode horses, used shotguns, and spoke
English. Yet Taylor thinks he's on another planet until the end of
the movie.

**Yes, you would think he would have figured it out with so many
clues...Actually, in the novel the apes didn't speak any earth
language, and I know I've read where they were planning on having the
movie apes speak a different language even after half of the film had
been completed...
>
> 3) In the sequel, a rescue ship is sent to find Taylor. This ship
is similar to the first one: in other words, it too is not equipped
to land and blast off again. There is no way it could. So why was
it sent? In the 1970's, as now, space ships need HUGE liquid fuel
tanks to escape a planet's or moon's gravity.

**Here is where we see the two stage affair...Brent's ship has a
burnt and wrecked second stage behind it, all blackened...
>
> 4) This next point really puzzles me. At the end of movie two,
the earth is destroyed by a neutron bomb. At the beginning of the
third film, we learn that three of the apes have somehow found
Taylor's ship at the bottom of the lake, raised it, cleaned it up,
and magically launched it into outer space just as the bomb was
destroying the earth. This is all the more amazing since The apes in
the first movie didn't even think flight was possible. Now all of a
sudden, they're piloting space ships. I enjoyed the 3rd movie a lot,
but I really think this is a huge gap in logic.

**In EFTPOTA, C, Z & M launch Taylor's ship which has washed-up on
their shoreline...Cornelius says Milo was a "genius, far ahead of his
time", and that he "salvaged, studied and half understood" the ship
and its controls...
>

G

Mark has a great website dedicated to the TV series
http://www.hadleyburg.demon.co.uk/patv/pxf.htm
Everyone should check it out.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> Welcome to the Planet of the Apes...Feel free to come on in and
> browse around...And to post...
>
> Glen

and considering the current overpopulation problem in the US, (several million killed yearly in pounds), it is hard to imagine that they could ever be extinct.
and also remember when caesar talked about how offensive it was for people to be without pets...
i think a dog-killing virus would possibly get more media attention/cure money than aids or cancer.
my opinion
rob

James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
The dog can be ignored. It can also be explained by assuming the
Apes breed them from other canine species. Since they had a 1000
years to do it, it might be possible.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> Yeah, that and the fact that perhaps and quite probably no one
working on TV
> show knew the movies in every detail. McDowall probably paid
attention to
> nothing more than his little bit of it, so that's that. We're
free of course to
> just ignore the dog stuff in the TV show.
>
> -- Rory
>





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i remember it was early 80s and i was about 12 years old, and i first learned about the existence of the pota tv show...
i was absolutely baffled at the possibility of a tv show with mute humans.
but as we all know, they (the creators/writers) took the easy way out...
the world of the first movie is certainly more terrifying and alien...
rob/ron

Glen <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
I recall reading somewhere, and I don't remember where, that part of the
universe for POTA TV was created the way it was because they felt it
would be boring to have mute humans, and the mutants were too much
for a television audience in those days...So, they had to move back
in time, somewhere before the beginning of POTA and after the ending
of BFTPOTA...That way humans could talk and they still lived "with"
the apes, but they would be servants/slaves...

G



go vegetarian!


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what do i think?
i strongly agree with what you said.
fast and loose and trying to have it both ways.

James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:


My personal opinion was that the TV series producers were playing
things fast and loose trying to have it both ways. They placed the
series on the West Coast, away from the action of most of the films,
and in a time frame, 3085, that was also away from the time period
of the films. That left them with a certain amount of freedom but
also allowed them to tie into the films somewhere down the road if
need be. That's just my opinion. What does everyone else think?

>
>

go vegetarian!


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These are tough and legitmate questions that fans have asked for
years. My basic answer is 'dramatic licence' or 'hey they're just
movies'. But below are some more detailed answers. Be aware they are
just my personal opinion so anyone is free to disagree.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Hoknes" <hoknes@h...> wrote:
> Some questions from a POTA fan sent to me:
>
> 1) In the first movie, four astronauts are sent into outer space
attempting to go into the future. My question is why would NASA
spend millions of taxpayers dollars to fund this? What would be the
benefit to Earth for this effort? Also, their space ship is not
equipped to land and then launch back into space, so anything they
discover would stay with them.
>

Well this is disputed. Some of Taylor's dialogue indicates that it
was a colonization mission. He does refer to Stewart as the new Eve.
However, Taylor does also comment 'We're here to stay' when the
spaceship sinks. This may indicate that if it hadn't they would have
had the option to leave. Since we never see the whole ship (part is
submerged in the lake), we don't know if it was or wasn't equiped
with a landing & relaunch stage.
As far as traveling into the future, while Taylor was convinced of
this; Landon comments that it was still just a theory. Thus, it is
reasonable to assume that there were two schools of thought in NASA
about that.


> 2) Also in the first movie, you'd think Taylor would guess he was
on Earth, considering the planet had oxygen, oceans, trees, clouds
and cornfields. Plus, the apes rode horses, used shotguns, and spoke
English. Yet Taylor thinks he's on another planet until the end of
the movie.
>

Again, mainly dramatic licence especially the Apes speaking English.
It is Science 'Fiction' after all. And it could be argued that if it
was a colonization mission the ship was programmed to seek out an
Earth type planet with similar conditions, plant and animal life.


> 3) In the sequel, a rescue ship is sent to find Taylor. This
ship is similar to the first one: in other words, it too is not
equipped to land and blast off again. There is no way it could.
So why was it sent? In the 1970's, as now, space ships need HUGE
liquid fuel tanks to escape a planet's or moon's gravity.
>

Here there is a large portion of the ship that is destroyed. That
could have been a landing & relauch stage. And again there is
confusion between science fiction and science fact. The ship could
have been using Nuclear or some other type of fuel.


> 4) This next point really puzzles me. At the end of movie two,
the earth is destroyed by a neutron bomb. At the beginning of the
third film, we learn that three of the apes have somehow found
Taylor's ship at the bottom of the lake, raised it, cleaned it up,
and magically launched it into outer space just as the bomb was
destroying the earth. This is all the more amazing since The apes
in the first movie didn't even think flight was possible. Now all
of a sudden, they're piloting space ships. I enjoyed the 3rd movie
a lot, but I really think this is a huge gap in logic.
>
>

It is a huge gap of logic. The biggest part for me is Milo raising
the ship from the bottom of the lake. Of course it may have been
caught on a sandbar and was partially exposed during a period of low
tide.
Taylor mentions at the beginning of the first film that the
functions of the ship are automated and run by computer. Thus, it
may be possible that Milo found the flight manual or checklist and
figured out how to initial the automated flight controls.

Of course this is sheer speculation on my part. If anyone has a
better theory please speak up.

Yes but they'd have to rely on Mailmen to deliver the antidote;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> and considering the current overpopulation problem in the US,
(several million killed yearly in pounds), it is hard to imagine
that they could ever be extinct.
> and also remember when caesar talked about how offensive it was
for people to be without pets...
> i think a dog-killing virus would possibly get more media
attention/cure money than aids or cancer.
> my opinion
> rob
>

Exactly. It is just my opinion but I think that they wanted the
creative freedom to go in a different direction or to tie in to the
movies depending on how the show evolved. I know if I were doing it,
I would want the same freedom.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> what do i think?
> i strongly agree with what you said.
> fast and loose and trying to have it both ways.
>

I have always viewed the tv series as being in a separate universe from the
movies. Along with the dog, humans in the tv series can talk and wear clothes.
This is different from the movies. Elaine


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Glen

Also the movies (or at least the sequels) had their own story arc
that was not continued in the series. The TV show had it's own story
to tell.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I have always viewed the tv series as being in a separate universe
from the
> movies. Along with the dog, humans in the tv series can talk and
wear clothes.
> This is different from the movies. Elaine
>
>

In a message dated 9/17/04 6:58:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

> Also the movies (or at least the sequels) had their own story arc
> that was not continued in the series. The TV show had it's own story
> to tell.
>

It seems to be an odd fetish of fans of movie series and TV shows that there
be this thing called "continuity." Who says that everything must be part of
the same "continuity"? Do the old Frankenstein films? The James Bond movies?
Star Trek fans drive me nuts with their complaints the things in "Enterprise"
don't jibe with TOS. Who cares?

I say just accept each movie or TV episode on its own.

-- Rory


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Very true. While it is fun sometimes to speculate, I'm not one
myself to lose sleep over why the ship in Escape was shorter than
the ship in Planet.
Back in the '60s & '70s there seemed to be little concern about
continuity in movie & TV series. I image the producers never thought
audiences would worry about such things. If you go back and look
over the TV series MASH, there are literally dozens of errors in
regard to the characters personal & family backgrounds. I believe at
one point both Hawkeye's parents were alive, dead, resurrected, dead
again, etc.
In the Apes films, I imagine the producers thought the audiences
would not remember details from the previous film a year or two
before. Unfortunately, getting caught up in the minutia of it
(sometimes semantical minutia) can prevent seeing the larger picture
and the overall message of the films.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> It seems to be an odd fetish of fans of movie series and TV shows
that there
> be this thing called "continuity." Who says that everything must
be part of
> the same "continuity"? Do the old Frankenstein films? The James
Bond movies?
> Star Trek fans drive me nuts with their complaints the things
in "Enterprise"
> don't jibe with TOS. Who cares?
>
> I say just accept each movie or TV episode on its own.
>
> -- Rory
>

There's still time to get in your entry for Week 1 of the contest.

While you don't need to enter every week to be eligble for the Grand
Prize, the more weeks you enter the better chance you have.

Just go to http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/ and click on the
contest link.

This week's winner will be annouced on Monday when the Week 2 clip
and questions are posted. Good luck.

The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: In the POTA EU novels "The Fall"
and "Colony", what does the name "New
Hope" refer to?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- A human village on the site of the Oberon wreck, 1 votes, 20.00%
- An ape city established by Semos, 0 votes, 0.00%
- The human name for the planet, 1 votes, 20.00%
- All of the above, 0 votes, 0.00%
- I haven't a clue. I loathe the new POTA and never read that far!, 3 votes, 60.00%



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POLL QUESTION: In the POTA EU novels "The Fall" and "Colony", what
does the name "New Hope" refer to?

Well, the respondents worked hard at this one, but no one got the
right answer! Mind you, it was a tricky one. "New Hope" was answer
(d), "all of the above".

In "The Fall", the human survivors of the Oberon crash set up a
village surrounding the Oberon and dubbed it "New Hope". This was
also their name for their new planet. When Jonathan Benavides came
of age and secretly established his own ape colony, he also called
it "New Hope". So, there were two cities called New Hope, and one
planet. If that doesn't complicate things enough, the original human
city of New Hope was destroyed by Jonathan (Semos) and his ape army,
later to be dubbed "Calima" by Semos himself.

From Delta Pod,
Menluth.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Paul William's Birthday� �

Date: Sunday, September 19, 2004
Time: All Day

Happy Birthday Paul! The home page pic and sound are in your honor.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Paul William's Birthday
>
> Date: Sunday, September 19, 2004
> Time: All Day

As far as rebellious humans in the TV show, let's not forget Mikal in "The
Tyrant", who wants to steal back the grain with Virdon and Burke. It costs
him his life. For me that was one of the biggest shakeups in the show, which
was pretty formulaic. Except for the death of Farrow in the first ep (giving
the required hook of a first episode) I can't think of any "good guy" who
buys the farm. It adds some weight to the episode. There was the terrorist
wannabe in "The Liberator", but he was out for destruction, though his
reasons might be understandable.
As for "Hostage", that was the best of the unused scripts (and I said so,
a decade ago in "Chronicles") and would've made a terrific episode. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "shanter2002" <mail@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:31 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re Hostage


> I agree Dave that a few edges would need to be taken off Hostage for
> it to be an episode as we know it.Virdon getting smoochy would
> probably have to go,and there are probably too many Apes to
> handle.Also, the names 'Black' and 'Decker' could be usefully ditched
> in my opinion! I think that some of the humans did have a spark of
> fight and intelligence in the series.Dalton in The Gladiators is a
> deep thinker and let's not forget the bossman in The
> Liberator.There's also a paid assassin in The Tyrant and Arn's
> husband in The Legacy was executed as a rebel.Maybe not all of the
> fight has been knocked out of humanity.Which makes sense if Urko's
> job is to have any justification, I suppose.I think maybe humanity,
> between the TV Series and Taylor landing, DID have one final revolt
> and got the snot kicked out of it by Urko and co, leading to our
> ultimate demise and mute servility.Good thing too, I say. John,
> Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>

James,

Ha, ha, ha!!...Too funny!!...

G

Who the heck is Anthony Wilson? He got the "Developed by" credit for the
show, but I've never heard what he developed. His name isn't on a script.
Maybe he did the "bible" for the show. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Dog in Escape from Tomorrow.


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't, because it would probably prove you right and I would
> > have to go and have a hissy fit :0)
>
> I don't know that it would. It may or may not.
>
>
> >
> > Do you think there was such a guide? I know it's the norm now
> > (the bible) and I know that Serling suggested some guidlines
> > early in pre production but how specific do you think - if it
> existed
> > - it would have been. A luxury bound hardcover or a few hasty
> > notes scrawled on a used tissue?
> >
> > Dave
>
> I can't imagine that it didn't exist. There was one for Star Trek
> that I saw once years ago. So they were done for shows in the 60s.
>
> There would need to be something to tell the writers about the
> characters as well as the basic premise of the show. How extensive
> it was is anybody's guess.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>

Hi, People.

re:

>Who the heck is Anthony Wilson? He got the "Developed by" credit for the
>show, but I've never heard what he developed. His name isn't on a script.
>Maybe he did the "bible" for the show.

Forgive me if I'm about to tell you something you already know, but
"Developed by" is usually given to someone who refines a format rather
than initiates it.

As you say, though, what Wilson developed is open to conjecture...

It's noticeable that he doesn't get a credit on APES until half-way
through the series, which suggests that he had to take the situation to
arbitration - but the fact he *did* get a credit shows that he was
significantly responsible for what we saw on screen in terms of the
format. The WGA doesn't hand out credits like that without
justification.

I don't know a great deal about him, other than that he was very active
in 20th Century-Fox's SF efforts during the 1960's.

He was story editor for Irwin Allen's LOST IN SPACE at some point in the
show's history, and was deeply involved in the development of LAND OF
THE GIANTS; he scripted the pilot episode ("The Crash"), plotted the
first thirteen episodes *and* served as story editor for the first half
of the first season.

What is interesting is that even those writers who were members of
Hollwood's more radical community - people who looked upon writing as
art and who had nothing but contempt for Irwin Allen - regarded Wilson
very highly.

Best to all,


Mark.

To all our members in Florida and the southern states, we hope you
are all well and your families safe.
You are all in our thoughts and prayers.

In a message dated 9/19/2004 4:03:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

To all our members in Florida and the southern states, we hope you
are all well and your families safe.
You are all in our thoughts and prayers.



Thanks, James...

G


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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> To all our members in Florida and the southern states, we hope you
> are all well and your families safe.
> You are all in our thoughts and prayers.

Thank you James. We have been lucky here in Clearwater for a long time.

Mark

Thanks James. We here in the New Orleans area really lucked out this time.


DR. ZAIUS DAVIS


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thank you.
no fatalities here in cherokee (30 miles above
atlanta), but we had 11 county roads completely washed
out.
they think it will cost a million (usd) to remove
debris and fix the 150 roads that were damaged.
but i escaped any damage.
ron/rob

--- HotScheetz@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 9/19/2004 4:03:52 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
> To all our members in Florida and the southern
> states, we hope you
> are all well and your families safe.
> You are all in our thoughts and prayers.
>
>
>
> Thanks, James...
>
> G
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
>

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go vegetarian!

This week's clip and questions from the episode THE GLADIATORS
are now available for viewing. No more entries for Week 1 will be
permitted.

This week's weekly prize is a copy of Ape Chronicles and a copy of
Adventure Comics' Planet of the Apes #1.

Week 1's winner is Mark/rkid67@.... Congrats to Mark.

The current standings for the Grand Prize (and there is currently a 6 way tie for first place) as well as the questions and answers from Week 1 are available in the Database section.
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To view this weeks's clip and answer the questions either click the
banner on the Yahoo Home Page
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Good Luck everyone!

Jeff, I agree that 'Hostage' would have made a great episode---I
think it would have made a stonking two parter.I can even live with
Virdon getting smoochy.He's only human and the wife hasn't spoken to
him for 2000 years.I've often wondered if that weird builing in 'Up
Above' where they build the glider was actually built in preparation
for 'Hostage'.It seems an odd construction otherwise.'Hostage'
definitely counts as an actual episode in my mind.John, Scrolls.

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I was just wondering which question I got wrong for week one's contest. I
thought my answers matched for all the questions.


DR. ZAIUS DAVIS


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Me too... now I feel just stupid I couldn't follow a clip and answer a few questions... dumb dumb dumb. Oh well better luck this week!

-Chris

DrZaiusDavis@... wrote:
I was just wondering which question I got wrong for week one's contest. I
thought my answers matched for all the questions.


DR. ZAIUS DAVIS


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In both cases the answer for Question 5 we were looking for was
specifically that Zaius had the human killed.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, HollowedOut <at_deaths_door@y...> wrote:
> Me too... now I feel just stupid I couldn't follow a clip and
answer a few questions... dumb dumb dumb. Oh well better luck this
week!
>
> -Chris
>
> DrZaiusDavis@a... wrote:
> I was just wondering which question I got wrong for week one's
contest. I
> thought my answers matched for all the questions.
>
>
> DR. ZAIUS DAVIS
>
>

Does anyone own this game? Is it the game from the game trailer included on one of the
discs in the Evolution boxed set?

Mark

Yes it is both a PC and a Playstation game. The game is somewhat
based on the original films although it goes off in some strange
directions at times. Here's a review of the game:

http://www.gamezone.com/gzreviews/r13089.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
> Does anyone own this game? Is it the game from the game trailer
included on one of the
> discs in the Evolution boxed set?
>
> Mark

Welcome to the Planet of the Apes...Come on in and see what we've got
for you...And post...

Glen

Welcome to the Planet of the Apes...Feel free to come on in and
browse around...And to post...

Glen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:

> Welcome to the Planet of the Apes...Come on in and see what

we've got

> for you...And post...
>
> Glen

And please, PLEASE, post a picture of yourself :0)

Dave B

Can anyone identify the artist for the cover of that vintage issue of 'Castle of
Frankenstien'? The one done in a Frazetta style.

I'm just curious to find out if it was painted by anyone famous.

Dave B

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Here's a little item I found at FSM.com. It made #29 on a list of the top
100 movie themes.

"PLANET OF THE HUMANS," Escape From The Planet of the Apes - Jerry Goldsmith
(1971) Goldsmith faced an unusual challenge with his score for Escape From the
Planet of the Apes (besides the daunting task of writing a sequel score to
his own Planet of the Apes, not only one of his greatest works but also arguably
the most groundbreaking and influential score of its era). In the original
film, he used serial techniques and offbeat orchestrations to evoke the
alienness of a post-apocalyptic Earth for its time traveling heroes. In Escape, he had
a similar but opposite task -- to portray modern day America as an alien
landscape. Goldsmith's main theme miraculously manages to be goofy and bitchin' at
the same time (the exotically funky orchestrations help), and also serves as
a thrilling piece of action music. The main motif is given a slow, plaintive
rendition at the finale, the rare movie ending that manages to be both tragic
and sequel friendly.







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If Escape made #29, where did Planet come in? Surely in the top 10.
And what about the other films?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> Here's a little item I found at FSM.com. It made #29 on a list of
the top
> 100 movie themes.
>
> "PLANET OF THE HUMANS," Escape From The Planet of the Apes - Jerry
Goldsmith
> (1971) Goldsmith faced an unusual challenge with his score for
Escape From the
> Planet of the Apes (besides the daunting task of writing a sequel
score to
> his own Planet of the Apes, not only one of his greatest works but
also arguably
> the most groundbreaking and influential score of its era). In the
original
> film, he used serial techniques and offbeat orchestrations to
evoke the
> alienness of a post-apocalyptic Earth for its time traveling
heroes. In Escape, he had
> a similar but opposite task -- to portray modern day America as an
alien
> landscape. Goldsmith's main theme miraculously manages to be goofy
and bitchin' at
> the same time (the exotically funky orchestrations help), and also
serves as
> a thrilling piece of action music. The main motif is given a slow,
plaintive
> rendition at the finale, the rare movie ending that manages to be
both tragic
> and sequel friendly.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Guys (and Gals),

I salute your efforts to celebrate the TV show. Unfortunately I
haven't been able to join in because I 'think different' and use an
Apple Mac and nothing I can do will play those WMV files.

I think someone else mentioned they also had a problem and I
was wondering, are there some among us with slow dial ups
that might also be unable to join the festivities?

Possible solution... How feasible is it for you to publish a time
code that relates to the relevant scene as it can be fround on the
4 disc DVD set?

Dave B

Apologies if this has been mentioned before but - All timeline
issues aside - seeing as there ARE dogs present in the TV
show, why do you suppose the Apes don't utilize them?

Granted, a dog chases Farrow up a tree in Episode 1 but I get
the impression that it hasn't been trained to do that - it's just
following it's instincts, like chasing a squirrel (Indeed the chimp
boy seems dissapointed that it's 'only a human')

Imagine the astronauts not only being chased by gorrillas on
horseback - but by gorillas on foot leading teams of hunting
dogs all baying for astro-blood.

Thoughts anyone?

Dave B

an interesting thought, ballard.
and it seems that apes and dogs are a plausible pair, when you consider that 'dogs are man's best freind" and apes are genetically about 99% similar (i think).
but then it is hard to imagine dogs turning against mankind.
although dogs are often trained to attack people.

apes on horseback always looks freaky.
i guess dogs would add to that imagery.

<dave@...> wrote:
Apologies if this has been mentioned before but - All timeline
issues aside - seeing as there ARE dogs present in the TV
show, why do you suppose the Apes don't utilize them?

Granted, a dog chases Farrow up a tree in Episode 1 but I get
the impression that it hasn't been trained to do that - it's just
following it's instincts, like chasing a squirrel (Indeed the chimp
boy seems dissapointed that it's 'only a human')

Imagine the astronauts not only being chased by gorrillas on
horseback - but by gorillas on foot leading teams of hunting
dogs all baying for astro-blood.

Thoughts anyone?

Dave B








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You mean like a fox hunt? Elaine


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In a message dated 9/24/04 3:20:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dave@... writes:

> Imagine the astronauts not only being chased by gorrillas on
> horseback - but by gorillas on foot leading teams of hunting
> dogs all baying for astro-blood.
>
> Thoughts anyone?
>
> Dave B
>

Yes, it would have been nice if they'd tried something different on the TV
show.

-- Rory


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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:

> Guys (and Gals),
>
> I salute your efforts to celebrate the TV show. Unfortunately I
> haven't been able to join in because I 'think different' and use an
> Apple Mac and nothing I can do will play those WMV files.
>
> I think someone else mentioned they also had a problem and I
> was wondering, are there some among us with slow dial ups
> that might also be unable to join the festivities?
>
> Possible solution... How feasible is it for you to publish a time
> code that relates to the relevant scene as it can be fround on the
> 4 disc DVD set?
>
> Dave B

I have a Mac too. I looked at the source and was able to access it with this link:
http://www.mediamercenary.com/POTAimages/Video/TVclip.wmv

Mark

In answer to Dave's comment:

>> are there some among us with slow dial ups
>> that might also be unable to join the festivities?

I think the Anniversary competition is a great idea -- and incredibly
generous minded of those organising it -- but I have a standard dial-up
and haven't even attempted to view the clips.

Even a short sequence would take a long time to download for me.

I think Dave's recommendation of a reference to the location of the clip
on the DVDs would be an ideal way for those of us without Broadband to
join in.

--
Mark.

Hi, Gang.

In regard to recent postings:

>> Imagine the astronauts not only being chased by gorrillas on
>> horseback - but by gorillas on foot leading teams of hunting
>> dogs all baying for astro-blood.
>> Thoughts anyone?

It's a terrifying image - especially for me! I was once attacked by a
dog. I was about eleven years old, just walking down the street, and a
neighbour's vicious animal had escaped from it's pen. It ran towards me,
jumped up, and took a chunk out of my leg. It was "put down" months
later - *after* it had savaged two more kids... But it took me years to
get over it. I used to break into a sweat even if I heard a dog barking
way off in the distance.

Personal associations aside, though, I think this is one of the key
elements in Boulle's concept; transposing the relationship between man
and animal and exposing the barbarity of what we do to the creatures we
share the world with.

I don't know if everyone has read Boulle's novel, but what was the
savage "Great Hunt" in the movie is given a very different slant in the
book; the French novelist gives the scene a more satirical framing;
instead of a brutal, militaristic orgy, the gorilla hunter Boulle's
protagonist encounters - in what is (like Taylor and crew) his first
exposure to the ape civilisation - is dressed like a country gent. It
makes the casual brutality of the human hunt all the more shocking.

As someone living in a country where a group of aristocrats are
currently fighting (pardon the expression) to retain their right to
watch a wild animal being torn apart by dogs - and then to smear
themselves with its blood - this all has added significance.

In answer to Ron's remark:

>apes on horseback always looks freaky.

I think that's what I was responding to when I commented on that scene
from THE GLADIATORS, where we see Jason eating the Oper; just a simple,
everyday act, made by this gorilla in uniform, in a bucolic setting,
with Chamber's makeup and Haack's costuming making it entirely real and
vivid. Magritte would have been impressed, I think!

But: a partnership between ape and dog... a very interesting chain of
thought, Dave - and, again, something I hadn't considered - even though
the possibility of it is, as someone noted, implied in the opening to
ESCAPE FROM TOMORROW.

--
Mark.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:

> You mean like a fox hunt? Elaine

Could be... but I was thinking more of the type of imagary you see
in those chain gang, prison-break movies.

Dave

If you haven't been able to view the clips, I can give the times
where they started and stopped and you can check them out on your dvd
player. I don't know if you'll be able to back-pedal and answer the
questions from week 1, though - the rules state differently. My co-
horts in the contest will have to weigh in on this one-
Kass

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
group.

File : /TVclip.mpeg
Uploaded by : jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
Description :

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TVclip.mpeg

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>

We've already posted the questions and answers to Week 1, so we
can't go back to it.

I've posted a smaller version of the Week 2 clip here. It's 1.4MB
and a MPEG version. Hopefully, everyone should be able to view that.
Just right click on the link to download: You can access this file
at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TVclip.mpeg

If anyone is still having a problem, email me or Kass privately for
the DVD time codes.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@y...> wrote:
> If you haven't been able to view the clips, I can give the times
> where they started and stopped and you can check them out on your
dvd
> player. I don't know if you'll be able to back-pedal and answer
the
> questions from week 1, though - the rules state differently. My
co-
> horts in the contest will have to weigh in on this one-
> Kass

Welcome to the Planet of Apes...Feel free to come on in and enjoy our
site...And to post...

Glen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@y...>
wrote:

> I don't know if you'll be able to back-pedal and answer the
> questions from week 1, though - the rules state differently. My

co-> horts in the contest will have to weigh in on this one-

> Kass

It's not whether I win or lose - it's how I play the game :0)

Dave

Just a reminder. There's still time to get in your entry for Week 2 of the contest.

While you don't need to enter every week to be eligble for the Grand
Prize, the more weeks you enter the better chance you have.

Just go to http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/ and click on the
contest link.

Last week's winner & answers and the current standings are available at: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database

This week's winner will be annouced in the here
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/ on Monday when the Week 3
clip and questions are posted. Good luck.

That's an interesting concept. Virdon & Burke hunted and chased by
dogs for the amusement of some rich Ape. Perhaps chained together
(with their shirts off of course).

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> Could be... but I was thinking more of the type of imagary you see
> in those chain gang, prison-break movies.
>
> Dave

Welcome to the Planet of the Apes...Come on in and check us out...And
post...

Glen

You couldn't pay me to accept a copy of "Ape Chronicles"! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "potatv" <potatv@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 5:47 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] TV Contest - Week 2


> This week's clip and questions from the episode THE GLADIATORS
> are now available for viewing. No more entries for Week 1 will be
> permitted.
>
> This week's weekly prize is a copy of Ape Chronicles and a copy of
> Adventure Comics' Planet of the Apes #1.
>
> Week 1's winner is Mark/rkid67@.... Congrats to Mark.
>
> The current standings for the Grand Prize (and there is currently a 6 way
tie for first place) as well as the questions and answers from Week 1 are
available in the Database section.
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database
>
> To view this weeks's clip and answer the questions either click the
> banner on the Yahoo Home Page
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pota/ or directly
> http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/ .
>
> Good Luck everyone!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Oh don't worry, they are not running that stupid comic strip any
more;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> You couldn't pay me to accept a copy of "Ape Chronicles"! - - -
Jeff
>

Once again we offer our hopes that all group members living in
Florida have survived hurricane Jeanne. How many hurricanes does
that make now?

Welcome to the Planet of the Apes...Feel free to check out our
site...And to post...

Glen

I have been meaning to say hi to you all for a long time, so here I
am. A fan of all that is POTA for the last 30 years or so and a
relentless collector of all that is ape. A paticular fan of the TV
series. Well done to all you members for keeping POTA alive all over
the world. Will post a folder of my collection soon.

Regards to you all

Rob Reading (UK)

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Date: Monday, September 27, 2004
Time: All Day

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