This week's clip and questions from the episode THE TRAP
are now available for viewing. No more entries for Week 2 will be
permitted.

This week's weekly prize is a copy of Ape Chronicles and a Japanese
POTA Cell Phone Strap. This is a rare item created for the 30th
Anniversary of Beneath. "30th Anniversary" is embossed on the strap
in gold lettering and a small head bust of Ursus (in helmet) is
attached. TV series fans can pretend it is Urko;-)

Week 2's winner is Andy DeMaranville/
theresaandydemaranville@.... Good work Andy.

The current standings for the Grand Prize (and there is currently a
5 way tie for first place which means we've made this week's
questions even harder) as well as the questions and answers from
previous weeks are available in the Database section.
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Good Luck everyone!

Happy Birthday to Cary. Krull was one of my favorite characters in
the remake.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa's Birthday
>
> Date: Monday, September 27, 2004
> Time: All Day

I've always felt that they were mid-19th century myself. While they
still use horses, the Apes have photography, pressure hoses and
machine guns plus they seem to be somewhat advanced in the medical
sciences. I also think that they may have had a primative form of
electricity since all the interiors are well lit despite no torches
or lanterns or even candles being visible. Also, a Mid-19th century
technology makes Milo's salvage of Taylor's ship a little more
believable, to me at least.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> pota group:
>
> At what level of technology had the
> Apes in Planet & Beneath achieved?
>
> o Encient Egypt, Greece & Rom
> o The Middle Ages
> o The Renaissance
> o 18th Century Europe
> o Mid-19th Century America
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=1419817
>

I think the basic society of the apes (from the writing point of view) was
ancient Greece and Rome. The clothes, names, statues, etc. suggest this. Any
advances (photography, etc.) can be chalked up to what they inheritted,
either directly or through discoveries, from human civilization. And
Burton's flick was acknowledged by the filmmakers as based on ancient
cultures like Egypt and the pre-empire Romans. Plus Burton wanted an early
Asian/Samarai look as well. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:46 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: New poll for pota


>
> I've always felt that they were mid-19th century myself. While they
> still use horses, the Apes have photography, pressure hoses and
> machine guns plus they seem to be somewhat advanced in the medical
> sciences. I also think that they may have had a primative form of
> electricity since all the interiors are well lit despite no torches
> or lanterns or even candles being visible. Also, a Mid-19th century
> technology makes Milo's salvage of Taylor's ship a little more
> believable, to me at least.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > pota group:
> >
> > At what level of technology had the
> > Apes in Planet & Beneath achieved?
> >
> > o Encient Egypt, Greece & Rom
> > o The Middle Ages
> > o The Renaissance
> > o 18th Century Europe
> > o Mid-19th Century America
> >
> >
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=1419817
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

> I think the basic society of the apes (from the writing point of

view) was

> ancient Greece and Rome. The clothes, names, statues, etc. suggest

this. Any

> advances (photography, etc.) can be chalked up to what they

inheritted,

> either directly or through discoveries, from human civilization.

In terms of the Ape society, government and culture it is very much
Roman & Greek. The names are mostly Roman as is the caste system.
But as far as technological development they do seem to be much
further along. The Romans and Greeks could not perform surgery or
even a blood transfusion. True photography could be a remant of
Human civilization as well as gunpowder. But both take a
sophisticated knowledge of Chemistry to continue to produce.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

William Windom's Birthday� �

Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2004
Time: All Day

I would have liked to see this character more developed and not killed off.
Elaine


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http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/planetoftheapescollecting/

There are some great discussion groups on POTA. But this group is created specifically for those who want to BUY / SELL / TRADE / PROMOTE various POTA items from vintage to new toys / comics / books / magazines / posters / action figures / lunch boxes / dvds / cds / autographs / videos / scripts / cards / etc. Everyone worldwide is welcome. Feel free to post your wants and your items for sale anytime !

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Yes it is a shame. But then POTA has a tradition of killing off its
best characters.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I would have liked to see this character more developed and not
killed off.
> Elaine
>

Happy Birthday Mr. President. The home page pic and sound are in
your honor.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> William Windom's Birthday
>
> Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2004
> Time: All Day

Thanks for the intro, Rob...Good to have you with us...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "robbo41red" <readingrob@h...> wrote:
> I have been meaning to say hi to you all for a long time, so here I
> am. A fan of all that is POTA for the last 30 years or so and a
> relentless collector of all that is ape. A paticular fan of the TV
> series. Well done to all you members for keeping POTA alive all
over
> the world. Will post a folder of my collection soon.
>
> Regards to you all
>
> Rob Reading (UK)

I always thought of them as Middle Ags, because of their narrow
religious and social viewpoints...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> I've always felt that they were mid-19th century myself. While they
> still use horses, the Apes have photography, pressure hoses and
> machine guns plus they seem to be somewhat advanced in the medical
> sciences. I also think that they may have had a primative form of
> electricity since all the interiors are well lit despite no torches
> or lanterns or even candles being visible. Also, a Mid-19th century
> technology makes Milo's salvage of Taylor's ship a little more
> believable, to me at least.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > pota group:
> >
> > At what level of technology had the
> > Apes in Planet & Beneath achieved?
> >
> > o Encient Egypt, Greece & Rom
> > o The Middle Ages
> > o The Renaissance
> > o 18th Century Europe
> > o Mid-19th Century America
> >
> >
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=1419817
> >

How true. The only major character not killed off in the original pota movies
is Caesar. Elaine


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But in a sense, Caesar was killed off at the end of Battle although
it is off-screen.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> How true. The only major character not killed off in the original
pota movies
> is Caesar. Elaine
>
>

Welcome to the Planet of the Apes...Come on in and check out our
features...And to post...

Glen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:

> I would have liked to see this character more developed and not killed off.
> Elaine

I didn't mind him getting killed - it just seemed his character was thrown away.
His death held no emotional impact for me at all, just a shrug of the shoulders
and a 'huh! Is that it?"

They were building up the 'vendetta' angle between Krull, Thade and Attar for
most of the movie and IMO the payoff just fell flat.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:

> I always thought of them as Middle Ags, because of their narrow
> religious and social viewpoints...
>
> G

Yes, I can see that POV. An ape monastary with Orang monks wouldn't look
too out of place. I thought the TV show had more of a wild west feel.

Dave

Hi Rob,

You'll find quite a few fellow Brits here on the group. It seems that most of us
in the UK discovered the TV show first and the movies after. Is that how it was
for you?

Dave B

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "robbo41red" <readingrob@h...> wrote:
> I have been meaning to say hi to you all for a long time, so here I
> am. A fan of all that is POTA for the last 30 years or so and a
> relentless collector of all that is ape. A paticular fan of the TV
> series. Well done to all you members for keeping POTA alive all over
> the world. Will post a folder of my collection soon.
>
> Regards to you all
>
> Rob Reading (UK)

last night i read a booklet from a museum that was about egyptian mummy cremonies, etc.

in the book was a mummified baboon.

we have sometimes wondered about including other primate species in pota...

and i dont think i have ever read an egyptian pota story.

might be set-up for good fan fic.

rob/ron



go vegetarian!


---------------------------------

Dear Pota fans,

Just joined this group and it all looks and sounds great.
I am really excited about the aged Galen tapes but cant watch them.
Would it be possible to get a video tape or dvd of this from
someone ? I'll cover any cost.

Another thing is the Medicom figures. Is threr a definitive list of
the figures and is there a place to trade for them. ( I have boxed
spares and some want's) ?

Anyway been a huge fan since 75, Nice talking to you all.

(does anyonr remember the Circus Hoffman Touring POTA show ?)

Cheers John B.

The thread between Krull, Thade and Attar should have been developed more in
the movie. I just found the character to be interesting, loyal to Ari yet
conflicted about humans. Elaine


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Thanks Glen,

I am just discovering all that the POTA group is up to and it looks and sounds great.

John B

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Sent: 29 September 2004 05:21
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Welcome vidiforu


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Hey John,

We recently did a poll on the Medicom figures and here is the
complete list except for the "Dark Cornelius" variant:

Taylor (Astronaut)
Gorilla Soldier (Planet)
Nova
Zira (Ape clothing)
Dr. Zaius
Cornelius (Ape clothing)
Lucius
Taylor (Loincloth)
The Lawgiver
General Ursus
Gorilla Soldier (Beneath)
Dr. Milo (Astronaut)
Zira (Astronaut)
Cornelius (Astronaut)
Caesar (Conquest)
Conquest Gorilla
Conquest Chimp
General Aldo
Caesar (Battle)
Urko
Gorilla Soldier (TV Series)

If you're looking to do some trading, Terry Hoknes just started a
new group for that purpose:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/planetoftheapescollecting/

I'm unfamilar with the Circus Hoffman Touring POTA show. Could you
elaborate?


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "grotowski666" <johnbkirtley@h...>
wrote:

> Dear Pota fans,
>
> Just joined this group and it all looks and sounds great.
> I am really excited about the aged Galen tapes but cant watch them.
> Would it be possible to get a video tape or dvd of this from
> someone ? I'll cover any cost.
>
> Another thing is the Medicom figures. Is threr a definitive list

of

> the figures and is there a place to trade for them. ( I have boxed
> spares and some want's) ?
>
> Anyway been a huge fan since 75, Nice talking to you all.
>
> (does anyonr remember the Circus Hoffman Touring POTA show ?)
>
> Cheers John B.

Dear James,

Around 1975 (Tv series time in UK) The Circus Hoffman toured the Uk with a Planet of the Apes roadshow,
I know this because I ripped a poster from a bus sation wall. They were also in the Mirror newspaper travelling on the London Underground (Urko and two Gorilla Soldiers.) I don't have any of this stuff anymore but I'm certain I did'nt dream it. I remember thinking they were Don Post masks and the costumes looked like the real thing.
I never saw the show but it was on tour across the country.

Thanks for the Medicom info.

John B.

----- Original Message -----
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To: pota@yahoogroups.com<mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 29 September 2004 21:10
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: medicom figures


Hey John,

We recently did a poll on the Medicom figures and here is the
complete list except for the "Dark Cornelius" variant:

Taylor (Astronaut)
Gorilla Soldier (Planet)
Nova
Zira (Ape clothing)
Dr. Zaius
Cornelius (Ape clothing)
Lucius
Taylor (Loincloth)
The Lawgiver
General Ursus
Gorilla Soldier (Beneath)
Dr. Milo (Astronaut)
Zira (Astronaut)
Cornelius (Astronaut)
Caesar (Conquest)
Conquest Gorilla
Conquest Chimp
General Aldo
Caesar (Battle)
Urko
Gorilla Soldier (TV Series)

If you're looking to do some trading, Terry Hoknes just started a
new group for that purpose:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/planetoftheapescollecting/<http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/planetoftheapescollecting/>

I'm unfamilar with the Circus Hoffman Touring POTA show. Could you
elaborate?


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "grotowski666" <johnbkirtley@h...>
wrote:
> Dear Pota fans,
>
> Just joined this group and it all looks and sounds great.
> I am really excited about the aged Galen tapes but cant watch them.
> Would it be possible to get a video tape or dvd of this from
> someone ? I'll cover any cost.
>
> Another thing is the Medicom figures. Is threr a definitive list
of
> the figures and is there a place to trade for them. ( I have boxed
> spares and some want's) ?
>
> Anyway been a huge fan since 75, Nice talking to you all.
>
> (does anyonr remember the Circus Hoffman Touring POTA show ?)
>
> Cheers John B.




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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Hoknes" <hoknes@h...> wrote:

> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/planetoftheapescollecting/
>
> There are some great discussion groups on POTA. But this group is

created specifically for those who want to BUY / SELL / TRADE /
PROMOTE various POTA items from vintage to new toys / comics /
books / magazines / posters / action figures / lunch boxes / dvds /
cds / autographs / videos / scripts / cards / etc. Everyone
worldwide is welcome. Feel free to post your wants and your items
for sale anytime !

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sounds Great.....

I have a Boxed as new Tv Gorrila medicom x2
" " Aldo " x2
" " Lucious " x1

I would like the Beneath Gorrila if anyone has a spare...?
Does'nt matter about the box.

The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: If you could change the cast of Planet
of the Apes 1968, who would you change
or omit.
You can vote for at least one human
and
one ape.

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Taylor, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Nova, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Landon, 1 votes, 20.00%
- Dodge, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Stewart, 2 votes, 40.00%
- Nova, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Cornelius, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Zira, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Zaius, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Lucius, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Maximus, 1 votes, 20.00%
- Honorius, 1 votes, 20.00%
- President of Assembly, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Marcus, 0 votes, 0.00%



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The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Was the inclusion of the dog and the
picture of New York City in 'Escape
from Tomorrow':

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- A sloppy continuity error by the TV series producers., 5 votes, 41.67%
- An attempt to let the audience know that the TV show was a different POTA universe than the Movies., 7 votes, 58.33%



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Again, I'm not surprized at the results. I would bet that both
answers were equally true and that the producers were trying to have
it both ways. Giving themselves the option of distancing from or
associating the TV series with the movies depending on how things
evolved.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
> final results:
>
>
> POLL QUESTION: Was the inclusion of the dog and the
> picture of New York City in 'Escape
> from Tomorrow':
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - A sloppy continuity error by the TV series producers., 5 votes,
41.67%
> - An attempt to let the audience know that the TV show was a
different POTA universe than the Movies., 7 votes, 58.33%
>
>
>

I'm not surprized so few people responded to this poll. Planet was
perfect. Who in their right mind would want to change anything about
it?

>
>
> POLL QUESTION: If you could change the cast of Planet
> of the Apes 1968, who would you change
> or omit.
> You can vote for at least one human
> and
> one ape.
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - Taylor, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Nova, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Landon, 1 votes, 20.00%
> - Dodge, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Stewart, 2 votes, 40.00%
> - Nova, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Cornelius, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Zira, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Zaius, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Lucius, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Maximus, 1 votes, 20.00%
> - Honorius, 1 votes, 20.00%
> - President of Assembly, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Marcus, 0 votes, 0.00%
>
>

> "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> I'm not surprized so few people responded to this poll. Planet

was

> perfect. Who in their right mind would want to change anything

about

> it?

The scene that most reviewers pick upon is the 'see no, hear no,
speak no evil' reference in the trial sequence. What do folks here
think? A classic scene in a classic movie or totally unneccesary
and a black stain in an otherwise perfect film?

Dave B

In a message dated 9/30/04 2:36:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dave@... writes:

> The scene that most reviewers pick upon is the 'see no, hear no,
> speak no evil' reference in the trial sequence. What do folks here
> think? A classic scene in a classic movie or totally unneccesary
> and a black stain in an otherwise perfect film?
>
> Dave B
>

I'm one of the few here that can vividly recall how PLANET played with
theatre audiences in 1968. All of the visual and verbal puns went over big back
then. People even laughed when Cornelius hissed when Taylor kissed Zira. All
the self-conscious humor in PLANET is there because Frank Schaffner wanted it
there. He didn't take the movie too seriously. It was entertainment.

A perfect PLANET? Nothing is perfect. It is what it is.

-- Rory


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i think that was a bad move to leave that scene in, but maybe i am so used to it that it seems ok now.

Dave B <dave@...> wrote:> "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> I'm not surprized so few people responded to this poll. Planet

was

> perfect. Who in their right mind would want to change anything

about

> it?

The scene that most reviewers pick upon is the 'see no, hear no,
speak no evil' reference in the trial sequence. What do folks here
think? A classic scene in a classic movie or totally unneccesary
and a black stain in an otherwise perfect film?

Dave B




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Who said I was in my right mind?...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> I'm not surprized so few people responded to this poll. Planet was
> perfect. Who in their right mind would want to change anything
about
> it?
>
>
> >
> >
> > POLL QUESTION: If you could change the cast of Planet
> > of the Apes 1968, who would you change
> > or omit.
> > You can vote for at least one human
> > and
> > one ape.
> >
> > CHOICES AND RESULTS
> > - Taylor, 0 votes, 0.00%
> > - Nova, 0 votes, 0.00%
> > - Landon, 1 votes, 20.00%
> > - Dodge, 0 votes, 0.00%
> > - Stewart, 2 votes, 40.00%
> > - Nova, 0 votes, 0.00%
> > - Cornelius, 0 votes, 0.00%
> > - Zira, 0 votes, 0.00%
> > - Zaius, 0 votes, 0.00%
> > - Lucius, 0 votes, 0.00%
> > - Maximus, 1 votes, 20.00%
> > - Honorius, 1 votes, 20.00%
> > - President of Assembly, 0 votes, 0.00%
> > - Marcus, 0 votes, 0.00%
> >
> >

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> > I always thought of them as Middle Ags, because of their narrow
> > religious and social viewpoints...
> >
> > G
>
> Yes, I can see that POV. An ape monastary with Orang monks

wouldn't look

> too out of place. I thought the TV show had more of a wild west

feel.

>
> Dave

+++ Dave -- yeah.

In fact, Alf Kjellin who directed that fine episode THE
INTERROGATION grew up directing episodes of GUNSMOKE and THE
VIRGINIAN.

...and Jack Starrett who directed THE HORSE RACE was a
director/actor/editor/second unit man who did pretty much the same
thing. In the same year that he made THE HORSE RACE he acted in
BLAZING SADDLES, and in 1975 he made the fabulous RACE WITH THE
DEVIL (Peter Fonda and Warren Oates -- can't get better than that!)
--- which had a score by ... Leonard Rosenman.

Six Degrees of Separation anyone..?

Mark.

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "robbo41red" <readingrob@h...> wrote:
> > I have been meaning to say hi to you all for a long time, so

here I

> > am. A fan of all that is POTA for the last 30 years or so and a
> > relentless collector of all that is ape. A paticular fan of the

TV

> > series. Well done to all you members for keeping POTA alive all

over

> > the world. Will post a folder of my collection soon.
> >
> > Regards to you all
> >
> > Rob Reading (UK)

Hi Rob.

MT-B here in London. Welcome to our gang!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "grotowski666" <johnbkirtley@h...>
wrote:

> Dear Pota fans,
>
> Just joined this group and it all looks and sounds great.
> I am really excited about the aged Galen tapes but cant watch them.
> Would it be possible to get a video tape or dvd of this from
> someone ? I'll cover any cost.
> Cheers John B.

++++ See them all at:
http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/

Mark.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John Brandon Kirtley"
<johnbkirtley@h...> wrote:

> Dear James,
>
> Around 1975 (Tv series time in UK) The Circus Hoffman toured the

Uk with a Planet of the Apes roadshow,

> I know this because I ripped a poster from a bus sation wall. They

were also in the Mirror newspaper travelling on the London
Underground (Urko and two Gorilla Soldiers.) I don't have any of
this stuff anymore but I'm certain I did'nt dream it. I remember
thinking they were Don Post masks and the costumes looked like the
real thing.

> I never saw the show but it was on tour across the country.
>
> Thanks for the Medicom info.
>
> John B.

+++ I remember these guys. Weren't they affiliated with the UK
Planet of the Apes fan club?

Mark T-B.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:

> > "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > I'm not surprized so few people responded to this poll. Planet
> was
> > perfect. Who in their right mind would want to change anything
> about
> > it?
>
> The scene that most reviewers pick upon is the 'see no, hear no,
> speak no evil' reference in the trial sequence. What do folks here
> think? A classic scene in a classic movie or totally unneccesary
> and a black stain in an otherwise perfect film?
>
> Dave B

+++It's funny and clever. As you know, Schaffner shot it as a gag --
never intending to keep it for the final cut -- but people just
LIKED it. So it stayed.

It's a cultural reference for those that know to have a chuckle
over. And it's intelligent. Could you imagine seeing that kind of
thinking in a Reese Witherspoon picture?

Mark T-B

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

>All the self-conscious humor in PLANET is there because Frank

Schaffner wanted it

> there. He didn't take the movie too seriously. It was

entertainment.

> -- Rory

++++ My sentiments EXACTLY. (Thanks Rory).

But I DO think that Schaffner took it seriously. You have to.
Otherwise we wouldn't have our masterpiece.

But he did it in the RIGHT way...

... if you know what I mean.

Mark T-B.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

James Whitmore's Birthday� �

Date: Friday, October 1, 2004
Time: All Day

In a message dated 9/30/04 10:12:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sparkytb@... writes:

> Could you imagine seeing that kind of
> thinking in a Reese Witherspoon picture?
>
> Mark T-B
>

Reese Witherspoon would make a cute chimp.

-- Rory


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Simianlly Blond?? Just doesn't have the right ring to it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> Reese Witherspoon would make a cute chimp.
>
> -- Rory

Out of context that scene looks like a throw away joke but remember
what's going on in the scene. C&Z are presenting there theory of
evolution which goes against the religious dogma of the Apes. I see
the scene as a satire on those who bury their heads in the sand to
ignore science or even basic facts when they go against their
beliefs.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> The scene that most reviewers pick upon is the 'see no, hear no,
> speak no evil' reference in the trial sequence. What do folks here
> think? A classic scene in a classic movie or totally unneccesary
> and a black stain in an otherwise perfect film?
>
> Dave B

I guess this is POTA's version of President's week. (I wonder if
there are any car sales going on.)

>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> James Whitmore's Birthday
>
> Date: Friday, October 1, 2004
> Time: All Day

A reminder that I've got Simian Scrolls #9 if you'd like to order.
So far I've sent issues to Mark T, Chris L, Tim P, Mike C, Jim C,
Dario, Kevin H., Greg P, Jeff K. and David LL. Hope everyone has
gotten their issues.

Oh and Dario!! Thanks for the cards, you're very sweet.

Kassidy

Got it Kass.... Thanks! Haven't had the time to sit
down and savor it yet tho...
Tim

--- Kassidy Rae <valwp@...> wrote:

> A reminder that I've got Simian Scrolls #9 if you'd
> like to order.
> So far I've sent issues to Mark T, Chris L, Tim P,
> Mike C, Jim C,
> Dario, Kevin H., Greg P, Jeff K. and David LL. Hope
> everyone has
> gotten their issues.
>
> Oh and Dario!! Thanks for the cards, you're very
> sweet.
>
> Kassidy
>
>
>

Welcome to the Planet of the Apes...Feel free to come on in and check
out our features...And to post...

G

This was a good home page, James. The only thing that would've made it
better would be Marilyn Monroe (an Arthur Jacobs client) singing, "Happy
Birrrrrrthday, Mr. Presidddent..." - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:03 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Reminder - William Windom's Birthday


Happy Birthday Mr. President. The home page pic and sound are in
your honor.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> William Windom's Birthday
>
> Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2004
> Time: All Day





Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
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Actually, Caesar does get killed off eventually. That's why there was that
statue of him. As for Krull, his is the only story that has any kind of
conclusion. By the way, the first poster for POTA2001 (the "Rule the Planet"
gorilla) is Cary Tagawa, not Michael Clarke Duncan. So I guess it's Krull
when he was a general. Don't know if that was planned. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <taebokitti@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Reminder - Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa's
Birthday


> How true. The only major character not killed off in the original pota
movies
> is Caesar. Elaine
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

We don't seem to be any closer to an 'Apes 2" but, of all things, Mel Brooks says he's currently writing a sequel to his '80's sci-fi spoof "Spaceballs" (wasn't that a flop?). For a while now, Brooks' name has been mud in the movies, but his career was ratched up a notch by the huge success of his theatre adaptation of his movie 'The Producers" (currently being made as a movie). So I guess he has the clout to get the spaceball rolling. He told the theatre magazine "Playbill" (his comments can be seen at www.aintitcool.com ) that "Spaceballs" was his best filmmaking experience since "Blazing Saddles". Hmm, did he forget about "Young Frankenstein", which was filmed at the Fox lot when the "Apes" TV show was being made? I've read somewhere about Brooks recounting bumping into apes there while makeing the movie. And the Frankenstein castle from the movie was used as Virdon's prison in "The Legacy".
Anyway, Brooks says he hopes to have the sequel in theatres around the time of the new "Star Wars" flick next summer. And for those who are wondering what this has to do with anything, the original "Spaceballs" has a POTA spoof that seems to be one of the most memorable moments. Perhaps "Apes" will turn up in the sequel? He's writing it right now! Anyone who knows Mel Brooks, go hang out. - - - Jeff


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In a message dated 10/3/04 12:30:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> Actually, Caesar does get killed off eventually. That's why there was that
> statue of him.

Killed off? I like to think Caesar just ended up dying in bed or something.
but not killed.

-- Rory


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In a message dated 10/3/04 1:01:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> And the Frankenstein castle from the movie was used as Virdon's prison in
> "The Legacy".
>

The last time I watched that episode I wondered what that set was from. Now
I know. How about that.

Anyway.... Mel Brooks used to be funny.

-- Rory


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Rory pointed out that the next issue of "Film Score Monthly" will be a issue-length tribute to Jerry Goldsmith. Details: https://secure.filmscoremonthly.com/store/detailIssue.asp . My local Tower store sells copies. If anyone wants a copy, let me know (while supplies last). Last I checked it's not out yet. - - - Jeff


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Jeff, I stumbled across a report from Dark Horizons last night dating
from Sep 2003.It was a BBC story saying Tim Burton was in UK (WHERE
HE LIVES ANYWAY!) scouting locations for Apes 2, which was due to
start filming in late 2004.The archive page is now gone and I missed
it at the time.I am not making this up---the reference to the story
is still listed for Sep19 2003 on Dark Horizons.Anybody heard
anything? Maybe Mel has--Apes 2 and Revenge of the Shit, sorry, Sith,
would be a good background for more of Mel's hilarity.John.

In a message dated 10/3/04 8:53:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mail@... writes:

> Jeff, I stumbled across a report from Dark Horizons last night dating
> from Sep 2003.It was a BBC story saying Tim Burton was in UK (WHERE
> HE LIVES ANYWAY!) scouting locations for Apes 2, which was due to
> start filming in late 2004.The archive page is now gone and I missed
> it at the time.I am not making this up---the reference to the story
> is still listed for Sep19 2003 on Dark Horizons.Anybody heard
> anything?

That was just a rumor, no truth to it. Burton in interviews has expressed
absolutely no interest in doing an APES sequel, and the executives at Fox saw
the same movie we did -- they know as well as we do that Burton and APES did fit
well together.

I think we're still in the era of the studio putting distance between
POTA2001 and the moviegoing public. If they have any idea of doing another POTA
they'll want almost everyone who goes to movies to have forgotten the 2001
debacle.

I also think the SPACEBALLS 2 talk is just that -- talk. Who out there
except the most masochistic filmgoer wants another movie like SPACEBALLS?

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I meant killed off by the writers. Maybe he died in his sleep, but given
the tone of POTA he was probably assassinated (by a conniving
orangutan). - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Reminder - Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa's
Birthday


>
>
> In a message dated 10/3/04 12:30:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > Actually, Caesar does get killed off eventually. That's why there was
that
> > statue of him.
>
> Killed off? I like to think Caesar just ended up dying in bed or
something.
> but not killed.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I've read some of "Simian Scrolls" # 9. Incredible work! It's nice to hear
from some of these POTA comic guys, and a nice cross-section from the
comlete history of POTA in comics. For you POTA comic fans, cut off of
finger for each week that goes by before you order it. One interesting bit
is from Roy Thomas, who feels the whole POTA phenomenon was manufactured by
the great ratings on TV of the original (which he credits to a winter storm
that night, keeping everyone in and watching) which led to the TV show and
the "stuff". He says the POTA magazine didn't sell well (so why was it
around so long? Marvel definitely cancelled poor performing mags). Good
stuff. Thanks Scrolls! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] SS#9


>
> A reminder that I've got Simian Scrolls #9 if you'd like to order.
> So far I've sent issues to Mark T, Chris L, Tim P, Mike C, Jim C,
> Dario, Kevin H., Greg P, Jeff K. and David LL. Hope everyone has
> gotten their issues.
>
> Oh and Dario!! Thanks for the cards, you're very sweet.
>
> Kassidy
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

According to a TVO segment on POTA last month, they said there are no plans for further POTA films.

=o(

Dan

----- Original Message -----
From: veetus@...
To: the gang ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ; pota_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 4:47 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] OT: "Spaceballs 2"



We don't seem to be any closer to an 'Apes 2" but, of all things, Mel Brooks says he's currently writing a sequel to his '80's sci-fi spoof "Spaceballs" (wasn't that a flop?). For a while now, Brooks' name has been mud in the movies, but his career was ratched up a notch by the huge success of his theatre adaptation of his movie 'The Producers" (currently being made as a movie). So I guess he has the clout to get the spaceball rolling. He told the theatre magazine "Playbill" (his comments can be seen at www.aintitcool.com ) that "Spaceballs" was his best filmmaking experience since "Blazing Saddles". Hmm, did he forget about "Young Frankenstein", which was filmed at the Fox lot when the "Apes" TV show was being made? I've read somewhere about Brooks recounting bumping into apes there while makeing the movie. And the Frankenstein castle from the movie was used as Virdon's prison in "The Legacy".
Anyway, Brooks says he hopes to have the sequel in theatres around the time of the new "Star Wars" flick next summer. And for those who are wondering what this has to do with anything, the original "Spaceballs" has a POTA spoof that seems to be one of the most memorable moments. Perhaps "Apes" will turn up in the sequel? He's writing it right now! Anyone who knows Mel Brooks, go hang out. - - - Jeff


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Hi John,

Tim Burton and many of his "Ape" cohorts (including Helena Bonham Carter
and Richard Zanuck) are doing a remake of "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate
Factory", starring Johnny Depp. Burton said he wouldn't do an "Apes 2" and
obviously feels burned by the experience, being rushed by Fox, etc. He says
from now on he won't commit to a film that has a release date before the
script is ready and has had a renewed interest in having a good writer
("Chocolate Factory" is written by the same guy who did a good job for him
on "Big Fish").
As for "Apes 2", Richard Zanuck seemed the most interested in carrying on
and "getting the story right". There's been rumors (including from Linda
Harrison) that they are working on a script but no announcements of a movie
that I've heard. Basically Fox rushed it and blew it. The merchandisers got
burned and "Apes" is an expensive proposition. Fox is more interested in the
cheaper, easy to promote franchises like "Garfield". Recent projects
announced by Fox include "Alvin and the Chipmunks" and the toy line "Brats"
(spoiled rich girls). Move along folks, there's nothing to see at
Fox. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "shanter2002" <mail@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 2:09 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] OT:Spaceballs 2


>
>
>
> Jeff, I stumbled across a report from Dark Horizons last night dating
> from Sep 2003.It was a BBC story saying Tim Burton was in UK (WHERE
> HE LIVES ANYWAY!) scouting locations for Apes 2, which was due to
> start filming in late 2004.The archive page is now gone and I missed
> it at the time.I am not making this up---the reference to the story
> is still listed for Sep19 2003 on Dark Horizons.Anybody heard
> anything? Maybe Mel has--Apes 2 and Revenge of the Shit, sorry, Sith,
> would be a good background for more of Mel's hilarity.John.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I've had a problem with some of the jokes in the original POTA ("I never
met an ape I didn't like", "Human see, human do") but the "See no evil",
etc. I like because it's so well done. They don't just cut to it, the 3
three apes get into the positions very naturally. It's like they just
happened to be like that, it's not forced. Very well choreographed. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: A perfect planet?


> In a message dated 9/30/04 2:36:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> dave@... writes:
>
>
> > The scene that most reviewers pick upon is the 'see no, hear no,
> > speak no evil' reference in the trial sequence. What do folks here
> > think? A classic scene in a classic movie or totally unneccesary
> > and a black stain in an otherwise perfect film?
> >
> > Dave B
> >
>
> I'm one of the few here that can vividly recall how PLANET played with
> theatre audiences in 1968. All of the visual and verbal puns went over
big back
> then. People even laughed when Cornelius hissed when Taylor kissed Zira.
All
> the self-conscious humor in PLANET is there because Frank Schaffner wanted
it
> there. He didn't take the movie too seriously. It was entertainment.
>
> A perfect PLANET? Nothing is perfect. It is what it is.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
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Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

I really doubt we will see another ape movie again after POTA 2001.

Tony

In a message dated 10/3/2004 10:36:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mystic4ever@... writes:
According to a TVO segment on POTA last month, they said there are no plans
for further POTA films.

=o(

Dan


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Jeff, thanks for the good words, much appreciated.Comics aren't
everybody's fave bit of Apes, but as we got replies from creators,
NOBODY turned us down and the whole thing steadily ballooned. I like
how it turned out. I have never understood how the Apes magazine
could be described as anything less than a success.Twenty nine issues
from '74 through to late 76 was a hell of a run, beating the pants
off many other efforts.I think it only ended with a change in policy
re black and white mags.Still, if Roy Thomas does an intro, you don't
mess with it.Incidentally, we have a Ploog interview done for a
future issue.John.

Jeff, it's weird how nowadays a film has to be, effectively, pre-sold
to get the green light.The original Apes movie came out of nowhere
and established a sci fi dynasty, with little or no
merchandising.Now, a film has to be a certainty and sell lots of
dolls and lunch boxes. Maybe it would be better to see Apes
mothballed for twenty years just to see if a creative climate can be
found again.Some of the excretia being expelled by Hollywood over the
last few years is just atrocious garbage.CGI is strangling initiative
and the suits are killing any risk taking scripts. The original Apes
movie could not happen today---we could have no trek across the
Forbidden Zone, as it would be boring, no Jerry Goldsmith as it's too
experimental, and no Statue of Liberty as people would be asked to
think for a second,when they should be in the lobby buying a plush
toy.Seriously depressing.John.

http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/cards.html"

thanks to Greg Plonowski (when AREN'T we thanking this guy?;)-

seriously, a really really nice addition to the site. 2nd season trading cards.

yep, you read it right. Enjoy 'em.

Kassidy


---------------------------------

Well, money talks and it did turn a profit. Fox knows people didn't like
the movie, so the box office can be credited to interest in POTA, not the
movie itself, including the record $68 million opening weekend. If they
don't realize they're sitting on a potential goldmine (if handled properly)
they really shouldn't have their jobs. Fox has been doing so-so movies that
turn a profit based on cool titles ("I, Robot", "Day After Tomorrow") but
none that hit it out of the ball park. "Hollywood Reporter" says that Fox
was the # 1 studio this summer based on a series of hits but no home runs.
They put out "Garfield", "Alien vs. Predator", the Will Smith sci-fi.
Everything but a movie called "The Kitchen Sink". With all those titles they
could've done better if the movies were good. But they'll never learn. POTA
is better waiting 10 years and maybe the next generation at the studio will
do a better job. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <kidro85@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] OT: "Spaceballs 2"


>
>
>
>
>
> I really doubt we will see another ape movie again after POTA 2001.
>
> Tony
>
> In a message dated 10/3/2004 10:36:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> mystic4ever@... writes:
> According to a TVO segment on POTA last month, they said there are no
plans
> for further POTA films.
>
> =o(
>
> Dan
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Good suggestion Jeff. Take a listen to the Home page now.

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> This was a good home page, James. The only thing that would've
made it
> better would be Marilyn Monroe (an Arthur Jacobs client)
singing, "Happy
> Birrrrrrthday, Mr. Presidddent..." - - - Jeff
>

Sounds like a rumor to me. I read that Brooks was busy doing the
film version of "The Producers".

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> I also think the SPACEBALLS 2 talk is just that -- talk. Who out
there
> except the most masochistic filmgoer wants another movie like
SPACEBALLS?
>
> -- Rory
>
>

Wouldn't it be cool if it were Virgil!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> I meant killed off by the writers. Maybe he died in his sleep,
but given
> the tone of POTA he was probably assassinated (by a conniving
> orangutan). - - - Jeff
>

Does thou question ME? They are doing a movie musical of "The Producers",
but Brooks says he's writing "Spaceballs 2". Doesn't mean it will get made,
but "Spaceballs: The Musical" might. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 2:32 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: OT:Spaceballs 2


>
>
>
> Sounds like a rumor to me. I read that Brooks was busy doing the
> film version of "The Producers".
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> >
> > I also think the SPACEBALLS 2 talk is just that -- talk. Who out
> there
> > except the most masochistic filmgoer wants another movie like
> SPACEBALLS?
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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It's funny, John. In "POTA Revisited" Richard Zanuck is claimed to have
complained about the filming of the astronauts' trek as a waste of time. He
put his foot down and said he didn't want to see any more footage of dirt.
But Schaffner knew what he was doing. Zanuck admitted he didn't get the
social commentary of the movie (in "Behind the POTA"). Yet he was in charge
of POTA2001, probably the idea man. 'Nuff said. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "shanter2002" <mail@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 11:48 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re No Balls 2


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>
> Jeff, it's weird how nowadays a film has to be, effectively, pre-sold
> to get the green light.The original Apes movie came out of nowhere
> and established a sci fi dynasty, with little or no
> merchandising.Now, a film has to be a certainty and sell lots of
> dolls and lunch boxes. Maybe it would be better to see Apes
> mothballed for twenty years just to see if a creative climate can be
> found again.Some of the excretia being expelled by Hollywood over the
> last few years is just atrocious garbage.CGI is strangling initiative
> and the suits are killing any risk taking scripts. The original Apes
> movie could not happen today---we could have no trek across the
> Forbidden Zone, as it would be boring, no Jerry Goldsmith as it's too
> experimental, and no Statue of Liberty as people would be asked to
> think for a second,when they should be in the lobby buying a plush
> toy.Seriously depressing.John.
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> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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I already heard it, you scamp! Good job. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 2:29 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Reminder - William Windom's Birthday


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> Good suggestion Jeff. Take a listen to the Home page now.
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> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> >
> > This was a good home page, James. The only thing that would've
> made it
> > better would be Marilyn Monroe (an Arthur Jacobs client)
> singing, "Happy
> > Birrrrrrthday, Mr. Presidddent..." - - - Jeff
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> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Sorry, did not mean to question you oh great one. I must flagellate
myself at your feet. (Remember not to wear good shoes;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> Does thou question ME? They are doing a movie musical of "The
Producers",
> but Brooks says he's writing "Spaceballs 2". Doesn't mean it will
get made,
> but "Spaceballs: The Musical" might. - - - Jeff
>

I agree with you Rory. Elaine


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How does Caesar get killed off? At the end of Battle he is still alive.
Couldn't he have died of old age? Elaine


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Fabulous work from Greg, stunning images, only wish I could buy them for my
collection. Did anyone spot the deliberate mistake? 70r is a duplicate, but
hey, we are only human! Just monkeying around!!

Rob

>From: Kassidy Rae <valwp@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com, potadg@yahoogroups.com, pota
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>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] new addition at the tv website
>Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:19:47 -0700 (PDT)
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>http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/cards.html"
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>thanks to Greg Plonowski (when AREN'T we thanking this guy?;)-
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>seriously, a really really nice addition to the site. 2nd season trading
>cards.
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>yep, you read it right. Enjoy 'em.
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>Kassidy
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NO! He was assassinated! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Reminder - Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa's
Birthday


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> Couldn't he have died of old age? Elaine
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> Rob
> It wasn't deliberate, it was MEEEEE!! I fixed it.

Kass

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rob reading" <readingrob@h...> wrote:
>
> Fabulous work from Greg, stunning images, only wish I could buy
them for my
> collection. Did anyone spot the deliberate mistake? 70r is a
duplicate, but
> hey, we are only human! Just monkeying around!!
>
> Rob

hard to image he died of old age...

taebokitti@... wrote:
How does Caesar get killed off? At the end of Battle he is still alive.
Couldn't he have died of old age? Elaine


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he was assasinated??

veetus@... wrote:
NO! He was assassinated! - - - Jeff




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Greg!
Your fan-produced 2nd series of trading cards for the TV series are
amazing! I wish these were available somewhere to I could add them
to my trading card collection. My TV series cards have a special
spot in my collection, since they were the ones I collected when I
was young, and never knew about the ones for the movie till years
later. My only complaint about the TV series cards of 1974 was that
there was little variation in the photos. So many of them could have
been interchangeable, and there were too many generic gorilla-human
fight cards. You've done a much better job than Topps did in the
1970s!

Menluth.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Charlton Heston's Birthday� �

Date: Monday, October 4, 2004
Time: All Day

Well our Birthday theme continues but today is a special birthday,
Charlton Heston. Today he is 80 years old. I think we all wish him
well in his battle with Alzheimer's.
I was 6 years old when I saw the original Planet of the Apes and it
made quite an impression on me and Heston was the first big movie
star I really remembered.
I was wondering, other than POTA what is everyone's favorite Heston
film? For me it is "The Agony and the Ecstasy". A historical epic of
the likes Hollywood is incapable of doing anymore. My favorite part
is a montage of the Pope repeatedly asking Michelangelo
(Heston), "When will you make an end of it?" to which Michelangelo
replies "When I am finished!". A reminder that great creativity
doesn't work on deadline. Something the FOX should have remembered
when making the remake.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Charlton Heston's Birthday
>
> Date: Monday, October 4, 2004
> Time: All Day

Outstanding work Greg!

You've certainly made a much better job than the makers of the originals and
you did this (almost) single handed - there was probably a whole team back
then! The images are perfect, most look like publicity stills and not screen-
grabs. The attention to detail is uncanny, right down to the wrappers. I noticed
a few images of a shirtless Burke, was this a thank you for the efforts of your
proof reader or were you made to include them :0)

Picture the conversation:

Greg: Hey Kass, I have a new set of Topps TV cards ready to go, would you
host them on your site?

Kass: Sorry Greg, I've no time, no space and I really wouldn't want to host
them just in case someone thought they were real and got upset.

Greg: Burke gets his shirt off!

Kass: Well ALL-RIGHTY then!

I've read the story on the backs and enjoyed your clever manipulation of the
TV show formula. Is there a prize for spotting which image belongs to which
episode.

Good, clean, nostalgic fun, you brought a smile to my lips, sir, and at 7am! - I
hadn't even had my first cup of coffee.

Dave B

I noticed a few images of a shirtless Burke, was this a thank you
for the efforts of your proof reader or were you made to include
them :0)

++I don't ask a lot. Shirtless Burke is not a requirement, but it
soothes the savage beast (that being me), as well you know Mr. Dave.

Oh and I never actually said who produced the cards, now did I? It
was Greg's idea to possibly upset the masses, anyway. That's my
answer, if anyone gets upset. Feed the creator to the lions and the
messenger lives to flap her lips another day.

K

This week's clip and questions from the episode THE GOOD SEEDS
are now available for viewing. No more entries for Week 3 will be
permitted.

This week's weekly prize is a copy of Ape Chronicles and your choice
of a Medicom Dr. Zaius, Astronaut Cornelius or Conquest Gorilla.

Week 3's winner is T Zero/ lordtzer0@... . Well done! T.

Apologies to Weeks 1 & 2's winners. The issues of Ape Chronicles
have been delayed. They should come in this week and we'll be
shipping your prizes out once they do.

Since we made last week's questions so hard (only two people got all
five right), we've eased up a bit this week.

The current standings for the Grand Prize as well as the questions
and answers from
previous weeks are available in the Database section.
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database

To view this week's clip and answer the questions either click the
banner on the Yahoo Home Page
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pota/ or directly
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Good Luck everyone!

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A smaller sized mpeg version of this week's clip is now available in
the files section. Anyone with problems viewing this can contact me
or Kass for the DVD time codes.

>
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TVclip.mpeg
>

There was some discussion between Kass and I as to whether or not we should present these cards as something Topps had prepared but never released back in 1974 and that I had somehow gotten my hands on a set of pre-press proofs, or just come clean from the beginning and admit that they were a brand-new fan-created project. I was hoping to replicate the same thrill I got when reading the 'lost episodes' article in Scrolls, where you're sure it's not true but there's a little part of you that's hoping it is. In the end, we decided to say nothing one way or the other and let people decide for themselves, but you're all too smart for us and figured it out right away.

I'm very glad that people are enjoying the cards, and I want to especially thank Kassidy for not only hosting the card images on her site but for her editorial guidance in their development. I also want to say that while she suggested some alternate images for a few of the cards, it was my own decision to start and end the story with the astronauts being shirtless. It's called knowing your audience.

Greg P.

Kassidy Rae <valwp@...> wrote:

++I don't ask a lot. Shirtless Burke is not a requirement, but it
soothes the savage beast (that being me), as well you know Mr. Dave.

Oh and I never actually said who produced the cards, now did I? It
was Greg's idea to possibly upset the masses, anyway. That's my
answer, if anyone gets upset. Feed the creator to the lions and the
messenger lives to flap her lips another day.

K



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Dave:

Thanks for the kind words. Coming from someone who's own fan fiction I greatly admire, I really appreciate that you enjoyed the story. I didn't consider it clever manipulation so much as trying to avoid certain things, such as either Virdon or Burke getting captured by the apes or Urko looking foolish or ineffectual at the end of the story.

There's no prize for guessing which episodes the screen captures came from. I'm not even going to dare people to guess which episodes I used because they're all so sharp-eyed. But I will say that I chose the episodes before I started working on the story, and I'm interested to see if anyone can guess why I chose these particular episodes.

Greg P.

Dave B <dave@...> wrote:
I've read the story on the backs and enjoyed your clever manipulation of the
TV show formula. Is there a prize for spotting which image belongs to which
episode.

Good, clean, nostalgic fun, you brought a smile to my lips, sir, and at 7am! - I
hadn't even had my first cup of coffee.

Dave B



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i sometimes think about the "lost" episodes...

i'll bet someone with good photoshop skills could make a trading card set of them.

i really liked that article. would love to see them adapted as fan fic or even a comic.

rob/ron



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I'm glad Greg and Kass have been spared a public flogging over the
trading cards---I was, and occasionally still am, flayed alive over
the 'missing episodes'article in Scrolls and I would hate for that to
happen to nice people.I notice one card shows Burke's nipples but
obscures Virdon's with a caption.I'm sure Kass didn't influence that
in any way.Just a thought, but is there a way of presenting Ron
Harper with his card, as a thanks from Apedom in recognition of the
30th Anniversary? Truly amazing work everyone. John, Scrolls.

<I'm very glad that people are enjoying the cards, and I want to
especially thank Kassidy for not only hosting the card images on her
site but for her editorial guidance in their development. I also want
to say that while she suggested some alternate images for a few of
the cards, it was my own decision to start and end the story with the
astronauts being shirtless. It's called knowing your audience.>

Greg, it is thanks to friends like you and Dave that I get to feature
such wonderful original works. I'm on the "cutting edge" thanks to
you guys and your talent. You are most definitely welcome.

K

>

Leave it to John to talk about male nipples;/.

K

<Just a thought, but is there a way of presenting Ron
Harper with his card, as a thanks from Apedom in recognition of the
30th Anniversary? Truly amazing work everyone. John, Scrolls.

Greg may be working on something along those lines, you should
contact him, Mr. Scrolls ;)

I've reread that "lost episodes" article a few times myself. It would be great if they were somehow "brought to life"!

Dan

----- Original Message -----
From: ron kenner
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] what would be REALLY, REALLY cool






i sometimes think about the "lost" episodes...

i'll bet someone with good photoshop skills could make a trading card set of them.

i really liked that article. would love to see them adapted as fan fic or even a comic.

rob/ron



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Seeing the missing episodes article given the Greg treatment would be
awesome, but that is one hell of a job. I haven't bothered people
with this before, but I did have some SERIOUSLY pissed off people
accusing me of betraying their trust and making fools of them over
the lost episodes article, because they accepted it as true.What I'm
wondering is if anybody would be interested in
Gregifying 'Hostage'.There might be enough images out there to do
something like those Star Trek photo novels.It would also give life
to a really great unproduced episode.John, Scrolls.PS,thanks for the
kind words about Paul Rowe's lost episodes article.The people who did
the photo mock ups know who they are and are in hiding!

John,

I for one loved the missing episodes article. I thought is was a
real hoot and kept thinking if only, if only. I still can't believe
some people took it seriously but then I never believe anything I
read.

As for Greg's cards, they are terrific. I hope these are the first
of a full set. Then a set for Return and each of the movies, etc.,
etc., etc.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
>
>
> Seeing the missing episodes article given the Greg treatment would
be
> awesome, but that is one hell of a job. I haven't bothered people
> with this before, but I did have some SERIOUSLY pissed off people
> accusing me of betraying their trust and making fools of them over
> the lost episodes article, because they accepted it as true.What
I'm
> wondering is if anybody would be interested in
> Gregifying 'Hostage'.There might be enough images out there to do
> something like those Star Trek photo novels.It would also give
life
> to a really great unproduced episode.John, Scrolls.PS,thanks for
the
> kind words about Paul Rowe's lost episodes article.The people who
did
> the photo mock ups know who they are and are in hiding!

>As for Greg's cards, they are terrific. I hope these are the first
>of a full set.

It is a full set. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the 'next page' link. See? More cards on the next page. Keep going and you'll see the whole set of 66. :)

>Then a set for Return and each of the movies, etc.,
>etc., etc.

Anything's possible, of course. One of the things I'd considered doing is a set that just focused on the first episode of the series done in the style of the original 'green back' movie cards. And I'd be lying if I said the thought of doing sets that extended the original movie set to cover the 4 sequels didn't occur to me. A massive set that covers all of the TV episodes (9 cards per episode plus 5 actor cards plus a checklist card = 132 cards) and a similar set that covers Return (5 cards per episode plus a checklist card = 66 cards) are also possibilities.

Of course, I'd really rather that Rittenhouse get off their butts and do these kinds of sets for us, because they'd have access to the Fox archives and better quality images than I'd be able to create with just screen grabs.

Greg P.



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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
wrote:

>I still can't believe some people took it seriously.

I was talking about this only last night. I think the deciding factor
was *wanting* to believe. That desire, to wish it could only be
true was, in some cases, enough to tip the scales of
acceptance.

Dave