I just joined guys! Group looks great! Urko rocks!! Dan

XXXXXXX FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE XXXXXXXXXX

In recent days, a one-year gap in Chief of Security Urko's Ape
National Guard service during the height of the Mutant War has been
questioned.

General Ursus even suggested the Chief of Security of shirked his
military duties, when Urko transferred to an Ape City unit.

A spokesman for the Urko campaign accused Ursus of trying
to "perpetuate a completely false and bogus assertion." He
said, "The Chief of Security was never AWOL."

Questions about Urko's Guard service first surfaced four years ago,
when he ran against Councilor Agrippa, a Mutant War veteran. A
review of Urko's military records shows that Urko enjoyed
preferential treatment as the son of a then-Councilor, when he
walked into an Ape Guard unit in Central City and was moved to the
top of a long waiting list.

It was an era when service in the Guard was a coveted assignment,
often associated with efforts to avoid active duty in The Mutant
War. Urko was accepted for Calvary training after having scored only
25 percent on the Calvary aptitude test, the lowest acceptable grade.

MoveApe.Org has examined a one year period and found no record that
Urko performed any Guard duties, either in Ape City or Central,
although he was still enlisted. According to military records
obtained, Urko requested and received permission to be transferred
to the Ape City National Guard. After he was in Ape City, he
received notice from the Guard personnel center that he
was "ineligible" for the Calvary Unit he requested.

Later, Urko was suspended from the Calvary because he failed to
complete an annual medical exam. A month later, Urko requested to be
assigned to a different unit in Ape City and was approved. Although
he was required to attend periodic drills in Ape City, there is no
official record in his file that he did.

According to the records, Urko had been instructed to report to
Macro, an officer in the Ape City unit. "Had he reported in, I would
have had some recall and I do not," Macro, a retired brigadier
general, told MoveApe. "I had been in Central City, done my training
there. If we had a first lieutenant from Central City, I would have
remembered."

Urko's campaign manager said yesterday that although no official
record has been found, "obviously, you don't get an honorable
discharge unless you receive the required points for annual
service." He said Urko "specifically remembers" performing some of
his duties in Ape City. He also provided a news clipping quoting
friends of Urko's from the Ape City saying they recalled Urko
leaving for Guard duty on occasion.

Urko said that he did "show up for drills. I made most monthly
meetings, and when I missed them I made them up."

Reached in Ape City yesterday, Macro stood by his contention that
Urko never reported to him. But Macro added that he could not recall
if he, himself, was on the base much at that time.

When Urko returned to Central City his service is again vague in the
records. His officers at Camp Aldo wrote that Urko could not be
given his annual evaluation, because he "has not been observed" in
Central City for eight months. Ultimately, another officer states in
a subsequent document that a report for that one-year period was
unavailable for "administrative reasons."

The issue of military service has been out front this year with a
decorated veteran, Ursus, in the race.

Ursus said yesterday that he had not decided whether to make Urko's
service an issue in the election. Asked whether he has suggested
that surrogates pursue this line of attack, he said: "I have not
suggested to any of them that they do so, and I spoke out against
the use of the word deserter, which I thought was inappropriate,
wrong and over the top."

MoveApe.Org calls on Chief of Security Urko to release all records
of his military service and answer questions as to his whereabouts
during the period in question.

> >
> >
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=1447864

In a message dated 10/23/04 8:18:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
danmagnumpi@... writes:

> I just joined guys! Group looks great! Urko rocks!! Dan
>
>

Oh, no!

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh be nice Rory. And Welcome Dan. Feel free to check out all the
groups resources.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/23/04 8:18:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> danmagnumpi@y... writes:
>
>
> > I just joined guys! Group looks great! Urko rocks!! Dan
> >
> >
>
> Oh, no!
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>From: "potsmoka1965" <potsmoka1965@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Response to Councilor Agrippa
>Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:32:51 -0000
>

Get with it, you damned dirty human!

_____

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 10/23/04 8:18:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> danmagnumpi@y... writes:
>
>
> > I just joined guys! Group looks great! Urko rocks!! Dan
> >
> >
>
> Oh, no!
>
> -- Rory
>
> I just can't get away from you, Rory. Like a Fly on Potato salad!

Dan

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You can understand the use of the word 'men' by Alan or Pete, because that's their frame of reference. Urko calling them men is another story. But then, i've had the same trouble when I write fan fic, forgetting that it would sound really weird to the apes to be called men, especially as they're so 'highly' regarded as a species. Sounds like something that would be used as a curse, actually. You know, Urko to Galen: "You fight like a man," something like that.

Kass



---------------------------------

<Welcome Rozzy. You're not the only member with a crush on Pete
Burke, right Kass;-) You should check out the TV series contest by
clicking the banner on the Yahoo home page. >

++Who, me? A crush? on Pete Burke that lasts undying until the day they drop my body in my grave?

Why no. Of course not.

Rozzy, Welcome. Go check out my site, lots of Pete lovliness, and don't forget the fan fic page: http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com

Kassidy



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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

>
>
> Oh be nice Rory. And Welcome Dan. Feel free to check out all the
> groups resources.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 10/23/04 8:18:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > danmagnumpi@y... writes:
> >
> >
> > > I just joined guys! Group looks great! Urko rocks!! Dan
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Oh, no!
> >
> > -- Rory

Just can't get away from you, Rory. Like flys on Potato salad.
Dan

> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

During his absence from the military, Urko was at my school of cross cultural
and sensitivity training. He failed. Elaine


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Be your "better self", Rory!!...=)

Welcome, Dan...Come on in and check out our features...

Glen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/23/04 8:18:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> danmagnumpi@y... writes:
>
>
> > I just joined guys! Group looks great! Urko rocks!! Dan
> >
> >
>
> Oh, no!
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

How about, "You fight like a woman!"...=)

Ow, I can't believe I said that!...I think I'll go put myself in the
corner, now...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Sounds like something that would be used as a curse, actually. You
know, Urko to Galen: "You fight like a man," something like that.
>
> Kass
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------

In a message dated 10/24/04 1:52:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
HotScheetz@... writes:

> Be your "better self", Rory!!...=)

You should know what this guy had to say to me in the KING KONG group.
NASTY!

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well getting nasty with other members is not allowed. I suggest all
the recent members take a moment to read the posting guidelines.
There's a link on the Yahoo Home Page:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
>
> You should know what this guy had to say to me in the KING KONG
group.
> NASTY!
>
> -- Rory
>

In a message dated 10/24/04 3:30:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

> Well getting nasty with other members is not allowed. I suggest all
> the recent members take a moment to read the posting guidelines.
> There's a link on the Yahoo Home Page:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota
>

Are we allowed to ask who you're going to vote for?

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 10/24/04 1:52:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> HotScheetz@a... writes:
>
>
> > Be your "better self", Rory!!...=)
>
> You should know what this guy had to say to me in the KING KONG

group.

> NASTY!
>
> -- Rory
>

Rory, just back off and let me enjoy this new cool group. Thanks!
Dan

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

hi. Sorry for my poor english language:
I´m mexican POTA fan, I like the wisdom and courage of Doctor Zaius,
he is mi idol and I will made a costume and mask like his.
I´ll see you in the next messages.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Javier Vazpquez Ponce"
<garindan_71@h...> wrote:

> hi. Sorry for my poor english language: I´m mexican POTA fan, I

like the wisdom and courage of Doctor Zaius, he is mi idol and I
will made a costume and mask like his. I´ll see you in the next
messages.

Hello Javier, and welcome! I have an admiration for Dr. Zaius as
well, even though he is supposed to be a "bad guy". It's nice to
have a fan from Mexico in the group. There were some fascinating
Spanish-language Apes comics from Argentina that we would love to
have your opinions on. Mexico also seems to have produced some of
its own unofficial Planet of the Apes collectible figures in teh
1970s. Have you seen any of these?

David (Canada)

Welcome, Javier...And don't worry, a lot of Americans have poorer
english...=)

Glen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Javier Vazpquez Ponce"
<garindan_71@h...> wrote:

>
>
> hi. Sorry for my poor english language:
> I´m mexican POTA fan, I like the wisdom and courage of Doctor

Zaius,

> he is mi idol and I will made a costume and mask like his.
> I´ll see you in the next messages.

In a message dated 10/24/04 8:23:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
HotScheetz@... writes:

> Welcome, Javier...And don't worry, a lot of Americans have poorer
> english...=)
>
> Glen
>

Yeah, and they think "a lot" is one word -- the bloody baboons!

I have a PLANET Mexican lobby card. In Spanish POTA is PLANETA DE LOS
SIMIOS. Try to remember that.

-- Rory


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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

> >
>
> Yeah, and they think "a lot" is one word -- the bloody baboons!
>
> I have a PLANET Mexican lobby card. In Spanish POTA is PLANETA DE

LOS

> SIMIOS. Try to remember that.
>
> -- Rory
>
>

Can you scan those for us. I think people would like them a lot;-)

Dear friends of the Apes.

What is this dark Cornelius you keep talking about ?
Are there any more Medicom figures I should know about ? I have 22
Please tell me there is a Galen........or a Tv Zaius.....Alan and
Pete....Julius......Armando......Virgil.....Lisa and Cornelius...
the list is endless.

Anyway "Dark Cornelius"..Anyone ?

John B.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "grotowski666" <johnbkirtley@h...>
wrote:

> Dear friends of the Apes.
>
> What is this dark Cornelius you keep talking about ?>
> John B.

Hi John,
Thge dark Cornelius was a variant of the regular issue Medicom UDF
Cornelius. He is the same, but his green clothing is a very, very
dark green color. The difference is quite noticeable when you
compare the two. I doubt this was an intentional variant. Probably
just a difference in paint lots. Anyone know?

Of the intended variants, there are two "Caesar Land's Ape" figures
from Conquest: an orange-suited gorilla and a green-suited chimp.
There are two Soldier Ape variants: one from Beneath with a machine
gun, the other from Planet with the distinctive wooden-cased rifle.
There are also two Caesar's, one from Conquest in chains, the other
from Battle, similar to Cornelius but with no glyph patches on the
breast.

Those are the ones that I know of. Any others?

Menluth.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:

>
>
> Welcome, Javier...And don't worry, a lot of Americans have poorer
> english...=)
>
> Glen
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Javier Vazpquez Ponce"
> <garindan_71@h...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > hi. Sorry for my poor english language:
> > I´m mexican POTA fan, I like the wisdom and courage of Doctor
> Zaius,
> > he is mi idol and I will made a costume and mask like his.
> > I´ll see you in the next messages.

And im one of them Javier and Glen! Very sad for a well educated
man.
Dan

<How about, "You fight like a woman!"...==)

Ow, I can't believe I said that!...I think I'll go put myself in the
corner, now...>


You just keep your bloody babboon butt over that in that corner, mister! Otherwise you might find out how a girl fights.
Kass

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:

>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "grotowski666" <johnbkirtley@h...>
> wrote:
> > Dear friends of the Apes.
> >
> > What is this dark Cornelius you keep talking about ?>
> > John B.
>
> Hi John,
> Thge dark Cornelius was a variant of the regular issue Medicom UDF
> Cornelius. He is the same, but his green clothing is a very, very
> dark green color. The difference is quite noticeable when you
> compare the two. I doubt this was an intentional variant. Probably
> just a difference in paint lots. Anyone know?
>
> Of the intended variants, there are two "Caesar Land's Ape" figures
> from Conquest: an orange-suited gorilla and a green-suited chimp.
> There are two Soldier Ape variants: one from Beneath with a machine
> gun, the other from Planet with the distinctive wooden-cased rifle.
> There are also two Caesar's, one from Conquest in chains, the other
> from Battle, similar to Cornelius but with no glyph patches on the
> breast.
>
> Those are the ones that I know of. Any others?
>
> Menluth.

They really should of made a Virdon and Burke figure! No company
takes the TV series very serious.
Dan

This week's clip and questions from the episode TOMORROW'S TIDE are
now available for viewing. No more entries for Week 6 will be
permitted.

This week's weekly prize is a copy of Ape Chronicles and an ANSA
patch just like the on worn by Virdon & Burke on their astronaut
suits. The patch is beautifully embroidered and measures 3 1/2
inches in diameter.

Week 6's winner is Mark/rkid67@y... Mark is our first two time
Weekly Winner. Go going Mark

The current standings for the Grand Prize as well as the questions
and answers from previous weeks are available in the Database
section.
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database

To view this week's clip and answer the questions either click the
banner on the Yahoo Home Page
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pota/ or directly
http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/ .

Good Luck everyone!

In a message dated 10/25/2004 8:11:52 AM Central Standard Time,
danmagnumpi@... writes:

They really should of made a Virdon and Burke figure! No company
takes the TV series very serious.


How can you? I mean it only lasted half a season, so those characters aren't
"known" to the public at large like the film apes. If the show would have
had the run it should have had, that'd be different, but it was short lived.
Companies are out to make money, and to do that they have to have something
that's going to appeal to the largest group possible... As it is, POTA has a
small audience, and the audience for the TV show is even smaller than the films,
so (almost) no company is going to make figures based on a show that has no
following...




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Instead of saying men, simian could be used. It doesn't make sense that the
apes would refer to themselves as men. Elaine


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I posted a photo in the 'Misc. Pics' folder. Has anyone ever seen this picture? It clearly
shows Taylor hiding behind the wagon. I got this picture from the back of the AMC POTA
promo folder for the 30th anniversary. I think it's more a publicity photo than from a
deleted scene.

Mark

Actually, Mark, it is from a deleted scene -- sort of...It's part of
the coverage footage of Taylor's escape just before he talks...
Good directors always shoot extra footage to have variety to "beef-
up" a scene...
It's like the picture on the POTA card of "Scenes We Never Saw", in
the Inkworks cards...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I posted a photo in the 'Misc. Pics' folder. Has anyone ever seen
this picture? It clearly
> shows Taylor hiding behind the wagon. I got this picture from the
back of the AMC POTA
> promo folder for the 30th anniversary. I think it's more a
publicity photo than from a
> deleted scene.
>
> Mark

I feel so chastised...And by a girl even!...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
>
> <How about, "You fight like a woman!"...=)
>
> Ow, I can't believe I said that!...I think I'll go put myself in
the
> corner, now...>
>
>
> You just keep your bloody babboon butt over that in that corner,
mister! Otherwise you might find out how a girl fights.
> Kass

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In a message dated 10/25/04 2:09:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
HotScheetz@... writes:

> Actually, Mark, it is from a deleted scene -- sort of...It's part of
> the coverage footage of Taylor's escape just before he talks...
> Good directors always shoot extra footage to have variety to "beef-
> up" a scene...
> It's like the picture on the POTA card of "Scenes We Never Saw", in
> the Inkworks cards...
>
> G
>

The area with the cage and the lab with the humans was supposed to be across
the small body of water in front of Ape City. Taylor had to cross it to get
to the city. There are stills that show footage of this was shot.

Now.... why when he's trying to escape he'd want to run smack dab into the
center of Ape City I'll never figure out.

-- Rory

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 10/24/2004 6:38:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
garindan_71@... writes:

hi. Sorry for my poor english language:
I´m mexican POTA fan, I like the wisdom and courage of Doctor Zaius,
he is mi idol and I will made a costume and mask like his.
I´ll see you in the next messages.




Hi! Galen was always my favorite. I thought he was the smartest.
Bruce


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Accord of the deleted scenes of the planet of the apes movie (1968),
please post here a web links of deleted scenes, I have the DVD 6pack
of the POTA saga (region 4)and it have not a deleted scenes section.

In a message dated 10/25/2004 1:12:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rkid67@... writes:

I posted a photo in the 'Misc. Pics' folder. Has anyone ever seen this
picture? It clearly
shows Taylor hiding behind the wagon. I got this picture from the back of
the AMC POTA
promo folder for the 30th anniversary. I think it's more a publicity photo
than from a
deleted scene.

Mark




Actually that is a deleted scene. Taylor's escape was originally much longer
and even involved Heston jumping in a small pool next to an Ape building. I
have a scan of the contact sheet somewhere with a few deleted shots. If I can
find it and it's in jpeg. I'll send it to the files.
Bruce


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:

> Hello Javier, and welcome! I have an admiration for Dr. Zaius as
> well, even though he is supposed to be a "bad guy". It's nice to
> have a fan from Mexico in the group. There were some fascinating
> Spanish-language Apes comics from Argentina that we would love to
> have your opinions on. Mexico also seems to have produced some of
> its own unofficial Planet of the Apes collectible figures in teh
> 1970s. Have you seen any of these?
> David (Canada)

Thanks David for your welcome, in the 70´s my parents
were poor and cause they no brought items or collectibles
of the movies. Of the 70´s I have only some cards of
topps edited for México in spanish.
See you in the next messages.

Just added the contact sheet of the unused chase scenes from POTA.
Bruce


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<.html

<mlccougar@...> wrote:

>
>
> How can you? I mean it only lasted half a season, so those characters

aren't

> "known" to the public at large like the film apes. If the show would have
> had the run it should have had, that'd be different, but it was short

lived.

> Companies are out to make money, and to do that they have to have

something

> that's going to appeal to the largest group possible... As it is, POTA has

a

> small audience, and the audience for the TV show is even smaller than the

films,

> so (almost) no company is going to make figures based on a show that has

no

> following...

You're doing the TV series a massive discredit. The popularity of the TV
series websites; the huge success in foreign markets; the fact that the
Medicoms already included characters from the TV show; the show being
released on DVD; and now in Japan (which, let's remember, is the land from
which these figures came) they are producing a special collectors edition of
the TV series box set. Doesn't sound to me like a show with no following.

Alan

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You misunderstood me... I didn't mean the show had "no following"... What I was getting at is that to the public at large the TV series is not really even known... What I was getting at is that to mainstream buyers here, they'd be more apt to know who Zira is, but not Galen...  They'd see TV series figures and NOT know who they are, because it's not widely known...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/26/2004 3:01:38 PM Central Standard Time, alan@... writes:

> How can you? I mean it only lasted half a season, so those characters
aren't
> "known" to the public at large like the film apes. If the show would have
> had the run it should have had, that'd be different, but it was short
lived.
> Companies are out to make money, and to do that they have to have
something
> that's going to appeal to the largest group possible... As it is, POTA has
a
> small audience, and the audience for the TV show is even smaller than the
films,
> so (almost) no company is going to make figures based on a show that has
no
> following...

You're doing the TV series a massive discredit. The popularity of the TV
series websites; the huge success in foreign markets; the fact that the
Medicoms already included characters from the TV show; the show being
released on DVD; and now in Japan (which, let's remember, is the land from
which these figures came) they are producing a special collectors edition of
the TV series box set. Doesn't sound to me like a show with no following.

Alan

 

<.html

I think what we have here is a difference of perspectives. The TV
series was a big hit in England and international markets, as or
even more popular than the movies.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> You misunderstood me... I didn't mean the show had "no
following"... What I
> was getting at is that to the public at large the TV series is not
really even
> known... What I was getting at is that to mainstream buyers here,
they'd be
> more apt to know who Zira is, but not Galen... They'd see TV
series figures
> and NOT know who they are, because it's not widely known...
>
>
>

.html

In a message dated 10/26/2004 5:34:08 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I think what we have here is a difference of perspectives. The TV
series was a big hit in England and international markets, as or
even more popular than the movies.

That's why I said that "here" (US) the show is not really "known"... I know that in the UK it was HUGE (and it ran three years)... 

<.html

As a public service MoveApe.Org sponsored a debate between General
Ursus and Chief of Security Urko. Here now are some important
excerpts:

TITUS (Moderator): General Ursus, the Urko campaign has charged if
you are elected that you will be soft on human terrorists. How do
you respond to that charge?

URSUS: I'm a war hero. I have a plan to stop human terrorists. I
have lots of medals. I served in the Mutant War and was wounded
several times. I'm a war hero. My favorite saying is 'The only good
human is a dead human'. I'm a war hero. I have a plan. I won't let
terrorists like Virdon & Burke get away like Urko has. I'm a war
hero. I have a plan.

TITUS: Rebuttal Chief Urko.

URKO: It's hard work. Catching humans is hard work. I'll catch
Virdon and Burke but it's hard work. Really hard work.

------------------------------------------------

TITUS: Chief Urko, in many of the provinces local official are
allowing Gorilla to marry Chimps or Orangutans. What are your views
on interspecies marriage?

URKO: Relationships are hard work. I believe marriage should be
between a Gorilla and a Gorilla, a Chimp and a Chimp. It's hard work
but that is what has been traditionally defined as marriage. We
should defend that. It's hard work.

TITUS: Rebuttal General Ursus.

URSUS: I'm a war hero. I fought in the Mutant War so Simians could
marry who that want. Chief Urko's daughter is currently dating an
orangutan. There's nothing wrong with that. I have a plan. I'm a war
hero.

------------------------------------------------

TITUS: General Ursus, you support controversial Human Cell medical
research. What do you have to say to opponents of this?

URSUS: I'm a war hero. I have a plan for all simians can benefit
from Human Cell research. I'm a war hero.

TITUS: Rebuttal Chief Urko.

URKO: It's hard work but I agree, cut the human bastards up.

TITUS: Thank you both and good evening.

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> Who would make a better Commander &
> Chief of the military?
>
> o Ursus
> o Urko
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=1447864
>

Welcome!
Whether youy are ape or human, as long as you reside on the simian
side, you are welcome. We must protect the ones we love...

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Issued by the Urko in '04 campaign.

URKO'S WIFE ULTA'S IRATE RESPONSE TO GENERAL URSUS' CHEAP DEBATE
REFERENCE TO HER BELOVED DAUGHTER'S VILE AND REPULSIVE LIFESTYLE
CHOICE

ULTA: Good morning. As everyone knows by now, last night, during the
debate, General Ursus proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is
not a good ape. Specifically, he said that my daughter was a... he
accused her of... he called whatsername a... one of those... um...
Chimp daters. And by making such a cheap and tawdry political
reference to my little girl, he has made me a pretty indignant mom!

Now it is patently obvious what General Ursus is trying to do here.
He knows that all decent, simian voters think of my husband Urko and
me as the very picture of contentment. They see us holding hands and
smiling at political events, and they take a certain comfort in
imagining us together at home – me baking cookies and him taking out
the trash.

In short, they see us as normal.

But by saying... that... our daughter…um… dates a Chimp, Ursus is
trying to get voters to conjure another vision of the Urko home. A
sick, twisted tableau of unnatural perversion, in which our
wholesome family gatherings are infiltrated by my daughter's
friends: Chimps, Orangutans and, dare I say, Gibbons.

Indeed, Ursus wants Apes to think that if my husband and I are so
morally bankrupt that we nurtured a... a... ummm... one of those,
that we might have done other things, too. He hopes some voters will
even believe the utterly preposterous – like Urko looting the
treasury through no-bid contracts, or me penning a human novel.

Fortunately, Simian are far too smart to fall for those kinds of
ridiculous distortions.

Now all that said, let me be very clear in stating that Urko and I
love our daughter. And we will continue to love her – so long the
definition of "love" doesn't include needing to actually say her
name in public or allowing her to stand next to us on stage at a
political convention. And so long as she doesn't actually try to
start a family of her own, her father and I will not disown her.

Fortunately, the one bedrock Gorilla value Urko and I did tried to
instill in our daughter is GREED. Yes, she just can't get enough of
those six-figure salaries we set her up with – even when the actual
jobs themselves involve aiding and abetting the legislative
disenfranchisement of her and her so-called friends! And for that,
we are deeply proud.

In closing, I'd like to express my gratitude to the radical right,
to whom my husband and I owe our fame and riches, for their kind
understanding on this matter. And I want to assure them that going
forward, we can still be counted on never to dare vocalize any
position that might deviate from the Sacred Scrolls that holds that
Gorillas who date Chimps or Orangutans – are hopeless sinners who
have explicitly chosen to be tortured in Hell by Satan for all
eternity. And yes, that includes our daughter.

I also want to once again express my utter contempt and disgust for
General Ursus for mentioning that non-secret that everyone already
knew anyway. I mean, HOW DARE HE!

I trust that all Apes will find my feigned outrage to be extremely
contagious, and vote appropriately.

Thank you, and good day!

I'M CHIEF OF SECURITY URKO AND I APPROVED THIS MESSAGE!

Remember to vote:

> Who would make a better Commander &
> Chief of the military?
>
> o Ursus
> o Urko
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=47864
>

The complete collection has 23 figures.
You just need the dark Cornelius to complete your collection.

Paolo

----- Original Message -----
From: "grotowski666" <johnbkirtley@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 4:11 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Dark Cornelius ?


>
>
>
> Dear friends of the Apes.
>
> What is this dark Cornelius you keep talking about ?
> Are there any more Medicom figures I should know about ? I have 22
> Please tell me there is a Galen........or a Tv Zaius.....Alan and
> Pete....Julius......Armando......Virgil.....Lisa and Cornelius...
> the list is endless.
>
> Anyway "Dark Cornelius"..Anyone ?
>
> John B.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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One thing has bothered me about the tv series for a long time.

In my favorite episode "The Tyrant", Aborro said that Urko never
tolerated bribery and corruption. But how is that so?

In "The Horse Race", Urko cheated so that his horse would win and he
would gain lands and money. Urko has lied many other times like in
the first episode of the tv series when he set Galen up to be killed,
and in "The Cure" when Urko went against the council's orders.

Plus, in the Tyrant episode, Aborro said that Urko cheated at the
academy, but Urko just didn't get caught.

-galen

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I've thought about this many times too. Maybe it was just among gorillas or within the
military where Urko didn't tolerate bribery and corruption. Or maybe it was just Urko that
didn't tolerate it when it was done to him.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "cybergalen2002" <cybergalen@h...> wrote:
>
>
> One thing has bothered me about the tv series for a long time.
>
> In my favorite episode "The Tyrant", Aborro said that Urko never
> tolerated bribery and corruption. But how is that so?
>
> In "The Horse Race", Urko cheated so that his horse would win and he
> would gain lands and money. Urko has lied many other times like in
> the first episode of the tv series when he set Galen up to be killed,
> and in "The Cure" when Urko went against the council's orders.
>
> Plus, in the Tyrant episode, Aborro said that Urko cheated at the
> academy, but Urko just didn't get caught.
>
> -galen

I pronounce it 'ER-KO'; ER as in 'her'. Just curious how many in the group pronounce it
the same or differently.
In the series it can be heard as 'EWER-KO'; EWER as in 'newer' quite a few times. Also 'EW-
AIR-KO' a few times.

Mark T.

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In a message dated 10/29/2004 10:46:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, rkid67@... writes:

I've thought about this many times too. Maybe it was just among gorillas or within the
military where Urko didn't tolerate bribery and corruption.  Or maybe it was just Urko that
didn't tolerate it when it was done to him.

Like the title of this letter suggests, Urko is a sneaky hypocrite. In his mind it was OK for him to cheat since he rarely got caught. But other apes were punished severely if he caught them.

Bruce

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 10/29/2004 8:52:40 PM Central Standard Time, cybergalen@... writes:


Urko has lied many other times like in "The Cure" when Urko went against the council's orders.

**** What he did in that episode wasn't a "lie", if anything, it was attempt at a coup... (He was defying the Council in an attempt to do things his way, not their's... That wasn't a lie, it was a power struggle...)****


Plus, in the Tyrant episode, Aborro said that Urko cheated at the
academy, but Urko just didn't get caught.

**** It was Aboro who cheated at the Academy... ****
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In a message dated 10/29/2004 9:45:49 PM Central Standard Time, rkid67@... writes:

I've thought about this many times too. Maybe it was just among gorillas or within the military where Urko didn't tolerate bribery and corruption.  Or maybe it was just Urko that didn't tolerate it when it was done to him.

**** Or maybe it was just an inconsistency among the writers (who never seemed to cross-check their scripts...)****

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "cybergalen2002" <cybergalen@h...>
wrote:

>> In my favorite episode "The Tyrant", Aborro said that Urko never
> tolerated bribery and corruption. But how is that so?
> > -galen

You're right, Galen. Urko is full of contradictions. But somehow he
doesn't seem quite so evil as Aboro. Among ape leaders, Urko isn't
quite the sharpest pencil in the pack. I guess that's why our heroes
can outsmart Urko so frequently. While I'd place Aboro closer to
Gen. Thade for his ability to plot and scheme, Urko seems to me to
be closer to Gen. Aldo in his naivety. Anyone agree/disagree?


Menluth

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:

> I pronounce it 'ER-KO'; ER as in 'her'. Just curious how many in

the group pronounce it

> the same or differently.
> In the series it can be heard as 'EWER-KO'; EWER as in 'newer'

quite a few times. Also 'EW-

> AIR-KO' a few times.
>
> Mark T.

Hi Mark,
The writers intended the pronunciation /u:rko/ (like Eng. OOR-koh).
I believe it says this on one of the early scripts. Am I right,
experts? You're correct that you hear at least 2 pronunciations for
it. I have a feeling that er-koh is the most common among the cast.
Menluth.

True Urko does seem rather dim sometimes. Aldo wasn't that sharp
either. Both seemed more driven by their prejudices than their
intellect. However, Aldo was more a schemer, plotting to overthrow
Caesar while Urko was more of a sneak, planning things behind Zaius'
back. Ursus appeared to be the most intelligent and shrewd of the
three Gorillas.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
>
> You're right, Galen. Urko is full of contradictions. But somehow
he
> doesn't seem quite so evil as Aboro. Among ape leaders, Urko isn't
> quite the sharpest pencil in the pack. I guess that's why our
heroes
> can outsmart Urko so frequently. While I'd place Aboro closer to
> Gen. Thade for his ability to plot and scheme, Urko seems to me to
> be closer to Gen. Aldo in his naivety. Anyone agree/disagree?
>
>
> Menluth

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In a message dated 10/30/2004 1:00:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, menluth@... writes:

You're right, Galen. Urko is full of contradictions. But somehow he
doesn't seem quite so evil as Aboro. Among ape leaders, Urko isn't
quite the sharpest pencil in the pack. I guess that's why our heroes
can outsmart Urko so frequently. While I'd place Aboro closer to
Gen. Thade for his ability to plot and scheme, Urko seems to me to
be closer to Gen. Aldo in his naivety. Anyone agree/disagree?


Menluth

Well, you're pretty much calling Urko stupid and I disagree. The General didn't get where he was by being stupid he's pretty good at improving himself at other people (or apes) expense. His bigotry against humans blinds him at times but  he usually winds up winning anyway. My 2 cents.

Bruce

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Ha, ha, ha...Great banner, James...Maybe "Beneath" would have been
more frightening if it had faces like those in it!!...

G

Hi, I disagree with you about Urko and the academy. It was suggested
that Urko cheated at the Academy. Aboro was saying something
like "while my good friends moved up, I was left behind". And he was
staring at Urko intensely. If only Aboro cheated, it wouldn't be
normal to look at someone so disapprovingly. Urko said "the old
foolishness must be forgotten". It wasn't said overtly, but it was
suggested that Urko cheated at the academy.

Anyways, in the Horse Race he clearly was corrupt, and probably
bribed people to help his horse win too.

-galen

> Plus, in the Tyrant episode, Aborro said that Urko cheated at the
> academy, but Urko just didn't get caught.
>
> **** It was Aboro who cheated at the Academy... ****
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> In a message dated 10/29/2004 9:45:49 PM Central Standard Time,
> rkid67@y... writes:
>
> > I've thought about this many times too. Maybe it was just among

gorillas or

> > within the military where Urko didn't tolerate bribery and

corruption. Or

> > maybe it was just Urko that didn't tolerate it when it was done

to him.

>
> **** Or maybe it was just an inconsistency among the writers (who

never

> seemed to cross-check their scripts...)****

This is a crock! Urko's wife is named Elta. This has no basis in reality.
Don't believe it! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "urkoin04" <urkoin04@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:14 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] URKO'S WIFE ULTA'S IRATE RESPONSE TO GENERAL
URSUS




XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Issued by the Urko in '04 campaign.

URKO'S WIFE ULTA'S IRATE RESPONSE TO GENERAL URSUS' CHEAP DEBATE
REFERENCE TO HER BELOVED DAUGHTER'S VILE AND REPULSIVE LIFESTYLE
CHOICE

ULTA: Good morning. As everyone knows by now, last night, during the
debate, General Ursus proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is
not a good ape. Specifically, he said that my daughter was a... he
accused her of... he called whatsername a... one of those... um...
Chimp daters. And by making such a cheap and tawdry political
reference to my little girl, he has made me a pretty indignant mom!

Now it is patently obvious what General Ursus is trying to do here.
He knows that all decent, simian voters think of my husband Urko and
me as the very picture of contentment. They see us holding hands and
smiling at political events, and they take a certain comfort in
imagining us together at home - me baking cookies and him taking out
the trash.

In short, they see us as normal.

But by saying... that... our daughter.um. dates a Chimp, Ursus is
trying to get voters to conjure another vision of the Urko home. A
sick, twisted tableau of unnatural perversion, in which our
wholesome family gatherings are infiltrated by my daughter's
friends: Chimps, Orangutans and, dare I say, Gibbons.

Indeed, Ursus wants Apes to think that if my husband and I are so
morally bankrupt that we nurtured a... a... ummm... one of those,
that we might have done other things, too. He hopes some voters will
even believe the utterly preposterous - like Urko looting the
treasury through no-bid contracts, or me penning a human novel.

Fortunately, Simian are far too smart to fall for those kinds of
ridiculous distortions.

Now all that said, let me be very clear in stating that Urko and I
love our daughter. And we will continue to love her - so long the
definition of "love" doesn't include needing to actually say her
name in public or allowing her to stand next to us on stage at a
political convention. And so long as she doesn't actually try to
start a family of her own, her father and I will not disown her.

Fortunately, the one bedrock Gorilla value Urko and I did tried to
instill in our daughter is GREED. Yes, she just can't get enough of
those six-figure salaries we set her up with - even when the actual
jobs themselves involve aiding and abetting the legislative
disenfranchisement of her and her so-called friends! And for that,
we are deeply proud.

In closing, I'd like to express my gratitude to the radical right,
to whom my husband and I owe our fame and riches, for their kind
understanding on this matter. And I want to assure them that going
forward, we can still be counted on never to dare vocalize any
position that might deviate from the Sacred Scrolls that holds that
Gorillas who date Chimps or Orangutans - are hopeless sinners who
have explicitly chosen to be tortured in Hell by Satan for all
eternity. And yes, that includes our daughter.

I also want to once again express my utter contempt and disgust for
General Ursus for mentioning that non-secret that everyone already
knew anyway. I mean, HOW DARE HE!

I trust that all Apes will find my feigned outrage to be extremely
contagious, and vote appropriately.

Thank you, and good day!

I'M CHIEF OF SECURITY URKO AND I APPROVED THIS MESSAGE!

Remember to vote:

> Who would make a better Commander &
> Chief of the military?
>
> o Ursus
> o Urko
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=47864
>








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.html.htmlAboro is jealous that his "good friends moved up the ladder" while he was "stuck" in his minor position as District Chief... It is a look of jealousy and resentment that he's giving Urko, there are no under-tones of "cheating" on Urko's part. Aboro wants Urko's power and he is so lustful of that power he's willing to kill him to get it... Aboro resents that he was caught, and Urko is his scape-goat...

When Urko says to Aboro about "the old foolishness must be forgotten", that is because Aboro was "promoted" to Prefect, he moved up, so Urko is saying that the past is now forgetten, because Aboro is now "on the way up..." (Urko is under the impression that Aboro really did work his way up, he's not aware of the bribery...)

You also say that it was "suggested" that Urko cheated at the academy... Where do you get this? You use the example of the cheating at horse-racing to back up a case for your thinking he cheated in school? The show was inconsistent in it's writing, and as such, facts were screwed up... While in "The Horserace" Urko had a "win at any cost" attitude (including cheating...) But in "The Tyrant" he was the law abiding ape that Aboro knew at the Academy... (It was a characterization discrepancy on the writers part... ) Besides that, as he grew older, Urko may have changed his ways... He may have started out as a young cadet with a law-abiding attitude, but as he grew older, and more powerful, he may have become personally corrupt later on...


In a message dated 10/30/2004 12:34:55 PM Central Standard Time, cybergalen@... writes:

Hi, I disagree with you about Urko and the academy. It was suggested
that Urko cheated at the Academy. Aboro was saying something
like "while my good friends moved up, I was left behind". And he was
staring at Urko intensely. If only Aboro cheated, it wouldn't be
normal to look at someone so disapprovingly. Urko said "the old
foolishness must be forgotten". It wasn't said overtly, but it was
suggested that Urko cheated at the academy.

<.html<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:53 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re:Urko's hypocrisy

Aboro is jealous that his "good friends moved up the ladder" while he was "stuck" in his minor position as District Chief... It is a look of jealousy and resentment that he's giving Urko, there are no under-tones of "cheating" on Urko's part. Aboro wants Urko's power and he is so lustful of that power he's willing to kill him to get it... Aboro resents that he was caught, and Urko is his scape-goat...

When Urko says to Aboro about "the old foolishness must be forgotten", that is because Aboro was "promoted" to Prefect, he moved up, so Urko is saying that the past is now forgetten, because Aboro is now "on the way up..." (Urko is under the impression that Aboro really did work his way up, he's not aware of the bribery...)

You also say that it was "suggested" that Urko cheated at the academy... Where do you get this? You use the example of the cheating at horse-racing to back up a case for your thinking he cheated in school? The show was inconsistent in it's writing, and as such, facts were screwed up... While in "The Horserace" Urko had a "win at any cost" attitude (including cheating...) But in "The Tyrant" he was the law abiding ape that Aboro knew at the Academy... (It was a characterization discrepancy on the writers part... ) Besides that, as he grew older, Urko may have changed his ways... He may have started out as a young cadet with a law-abiding attitude, but as he grew older, and more powerful, he may have become personally corrupt later on...


In a message dated 10/30/2004 12:34:55 PM Central Standard Time, cybergalen@... writes:

Hi, I disagree with you about Urko and the academy. It was suggested
that Urko cheated at the Academy. Aboro was saying something
like "while my good friends moved up, I was left behind". And he was
staring at Urko intensely. If only Aboro cheated, it wouldn't be
normal to look at someone so disapprovingly. Urko said "the old
foolishness must be forgotten". It wasn't said overtly, but it was
suggested that Urko cheated at the academy.

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:53 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re:Urko's hypocrisy

Aboro is jealous that his "good friends moved up the ladder" while he was "stuck" in his minor position as District Chief... It is a look of jealousy and resentment that he's giving Urko, there are no under-tones of "cheating" on Urko's part. Aboro wants Urko's power and he is so lustful of that power he's willing to kill him to get it... Aboro resents that he was caught, and Urko is his scape-goat...

When Urko says to Aboro about "the old foolishness must be forgotten", that is because Aboro was "promoted" to Prefect, he moved up, so Urko is saying that the past is now forgetten, because Aboro is now "on the way up..." (Urko is under the impression that Aboro really did work his way up, he's not aware of the bribery...)

You also say that it was "suggested" that Urko cheated at the academy... Where do you get this? You use the example of the cheating at horse-racing to back up a case for your thinking he cheated in school? The show was inconsistent in it's writing, and as such, facts were screwed up... While in "The Horserace" Urko had a "win at any cost" attitude (including cheating...) But in "The Tyrant" he was the law abiding ape that Aboro knew at the Academy... (It was a characterization discrepancy on the writers part... ) Besides that, as he grew older, Urko may have changed his ways... He may have started out as a young cadet with a law-abiding attitude, but as he grew older, and more powerful, he may have become personally corrupt later on...


In a message dated 10/30/2004 12:34:55 PM Central Standard Time, cybergalen@... writes:

Hi, I disagree with you about Urko and the academy. It was suggested
that Urko cheated at the Academy. Aboro was saying something
like "while my good friends moved up, I was left behind". And he was
staring at Urko intensely. If only Aboro cheated, it wouldn't be
normal to look at someone so disapprovingly. Urko said "the old
foolishness must be forgotten". It wasn't said overtly, but it was
suggested that Urko cheated at the academy.

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They were portrayed somewhat as "pseudo scientific geese", but then
we saw a couple great, wise orangatangs like Virgil and Mandemus come
along. I'm trying to remember if there were any others? Zaius was
just trying to be a good defender of the faith.

-Galen

The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: As a fan of POTA, which of the
following other great science fiction
series appeals to you more?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Star Wars, 5 votes, 38.46%
- Star Trek, 6 votes, 46.15%
- Neither. POTA alone rules the planet !!, 2 votes, 15.38%



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.html.htmlIn a message dated 10/30/04 10:46:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, cybergalen@... writes:

They were portrayed somewhat as "pseudo scientific geese", but then
we saw a couple great, wise orangatangs like Virgil and Mandemus come
along. I'm trying to remember if there were any others? Zaius was
just trying to be a good defender of the faith.

-Galen

In PLANET the orangutans were supposed to represent "established authority" and so were meant to look closed minded.  You really need to read Boulle to understand the ape class system in the first movie.

-- Rory
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Virgil and Mandemus were still "pseudo-scientific geese". They were
know-it-alls who weren't very fun at parties. The original POTA films were
very much into stereotypes. One of the things Burton's flick had going for
it was he shook up the stereotypes. I guess the coolest orangutans were the
ones in "Conquest" who kicked some. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "cybergalen2002" <cybergalen@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 7:25 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Stereotypes of orangatangs


>
>
>
> They were portrayed somewhat as "pseudo scientific geese", but then
> we saw a couple great, wise orangatangs like Virgil and Mandemus come
> along. I'm trying to remember if there were any others? Zaius was
> just trying to be a good defender of the faith.
>
> -Galen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html In my poll, most people would have Dr Zaius live with them. Interesting. Would he be the easiest to live with? Glad to see Aldo received one vote. Elaine<.html

While Zaius would be like having a grumpy old grandfather around,
constantly spouting off on how evil humans are, at least he wouldn't
be trying to kill you.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> In my poll, most people would have Dr Zaius live with them.
Interesting.
> Would he be the easiest to live with? Glad to see Aldo received
one vote. Elaine

Hey! I heard Virgil was a blast at parties. Especially those with a
karaoke machine that played "The Way We Were";-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> Virgil and Mandemus were still "pseudo-scientific geese". They
were
> know-it-alls who weren't very fun at parties. The original POTA
films were
> very much into stereotypes. One of the things Burton's flick had
going for
> it was he shook up the stereotypes. I guess the coolest orangutans
were the
> ones in "Conquest" who kicked some. - - - Jeff
>

.html Having Zaius constantly lecture me on the evils of humans would drive me nuts. I rather have the aggressive gorillas instead. Maybe if I fed Aldo enough he would calm down. Elaine<.html

.html <.html

Dear Memebers,

Where do I find the competition ?

Hopefully FOX will look at this and see there is still some life in
POTA after all.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> The current list of Sideshow's Top 10 "most popular products"
shows POTA's "Gorilla Soldier - Ape Marauder" at # 6 and "Forbidden
Zone Taylor" at # 7. Also on the list is "Lord of the Rings", "X-
Files" and "Terminator". Fast company, indeed. POTA is the
oldest "property" on the list (except for "Lord of the Rings" as a
book, but we know where it's current popularity is from). - - - Jeff

Isn't true that the lighter the Apes were, the higher they were in
the caste system of society?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> In PLANET the orangutans were supposed to represent "established
authority"
> and so were meant to look closed minded. You really need to read
Boulle to
> understand the ape class system in the first movie.
>
> -- Rory

Well I would recommend keeping all guns or other weapons locked up.
LOL

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Having Zaius constantly lecture me on the evils of humans would
drive me
> nuts. I rather have the aggressive gorillas instead. Maybe if I
fed Aldo enough he
> would calm down. Elaine

Which competition are you refering to? If it is the TV Series
contest you can go here: http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/ or just
click the banner on the Yahoo Home Page. If it is one of our polls
go here: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/polls

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "grotowski666" <johnbkirtley@h...>
wrote:

>
>
> Dear Memebers,
>
> Where do I find the competition ?

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
group.

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You can access this file at the URL:
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Regards,

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:

> In my poll, most people would have Dr Zaius live with them.

Interesting. Would he be the easiest to live with? Elaine

I voted for Dr. Zaius as the ape house guest of choice because,
despite his bigotry toward humans, I thought he would be the one
most likely to engage in interesting discussions. One of my favorite
scenes in PA68 was when Taylor and Zaius have a few moments together
in Zaius' study. It is one of the only times in the film when Taylor
seems to be truly among equals: someone who understands him, even if
he hates him.
Menluth.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> POLL QUESTION: As a fan of POTA, which of the
> following other great science fiction
> series appeals to you more?
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - Star Wars, 5 votes, 38.46%
> - Star Trek, 6 votes, 46.15%
> - Neither. POTA alone rules the planet !!, 2 votes, 15.38%

Well, there wasn't too much interest in this poll, but Star Trek
only slightly nosed forward to beat out Star Wars as POTA fans'
preference for an SF series. Still, with 6 for Trek, and 5 for SW,
it is just about half and half. Interesting that 2 of the voters
liked neither of ST or SW, but feel that POTA stands alone as their
favorite science fiction series of the three. Because Star Trek and
Star Wars are so different from each other, I expected to find POTA
fans tending to prefer one over the other.
Menluth.

Here's new work of art by our own Glen.

>
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PotaFanArt/Urko%20and%

20Zaius%5B1%5D.JPG

>

More of Glen's work can be seen by clicking The Art Gallery link on
the Home Page.

All members should feel free to upload their works in the Pota Fan
Art folder in the Files section
(http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PotaFanArt) to be
featured on The Art Gallery page.

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In a message dated 10/31/2004 1:41:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

File        : /PotaFanArt/Urko and Zaius[1].JPG
  Uploaded by : jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
  Description : 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PotaFanArt/Urko%20and%20Zaius%5B1%5D.JPG

Excellent! You've even captured the actors' features behind the makeup.

Bruce

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Thank you, Bruce...An artist always likes to be appreciated...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/31/2004 1:41:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> File : /PotaFanArt/Urko and Zaius[1].JPG
> Uploaded by : jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@a...>
> Description :
>
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PotaFanArt/Urko%20and%
20Zaius%5B1%5D.
> JPG
>
>
>
>
> Excellent! You've even captured the actors' features behind the
makeup.
> Bruce

I've had it!...I know for a fact that all this election coverage is
phony...Others may be fooled by all the hype and double-talk, but
this new banner clinches it!...

Urko and Ursus would never consent to be photographed together!...You
can't argue the fact!...And if the photos are phony, the coverage is
phony...And if the coverage is phony, what about the elections?...How
do I know that my vote will count?

I find, I must vote, and vote my conscience, anyway...And I urge you
to vote, too!...Together we can get to the bottom of this!...It might
be a whole conspiracy!...

G

What's all this about admiring Dr. Zauis? You're probably going to vote
for Bush. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Menluth" <menluth@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 2:50 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: hello





--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Javier Vazpquez Ponce"
<garindan_71@h...> wrote:
> hi. Sorry for my poor english language: I´m mexican POTA fan, I
like the wisdom and courage of Doctor Zaius, he is mi idol and I
will made a costume and mask like his. I´ll see you in the next
messages.

Hello Javier, and welcome! I have an admiration for Dr. Zaius as
well, even though he is supposed to be a "bad guy". It's nice to
have a fan from Mexico in the group. There were some fascinating
Spanish-language Apes comics from Argentina that we would love to
have your opinions on. Mexico also seems to have produced some of
its own unofficial Planet of the Apes collectible figures in teh
1970s. Have you seen any of these?

David (Canada)









Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
Yahoo! Groups Links

This week's clip and questions from the episode THE DECEPTION are
now available for viewing. No more entries for Week 7 will be
permitted.

This week's weekly prize is a copy of Ape Chronicles and your choice
of a Medicom Dr. Zaius, Conquest Gorilla or Lawgiver.

Week 7's winner is Chris (give it to me!!!) Brown/
at_deaths_door@y... Way to go Chris!

The current standings for the Grand Prize as well as the questions
and answers from previous weeks are available in the Database
section.
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database

To view this week's clip and answer the questions either click the
banner on the Yahoo Home Page
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pota/ or directly
http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/ .

Good Luck everyone!

.html I wouldn't allow any weapons in the house and maybe putting some prozac in Aldo's food would help. Elaine<.html

.html This was an interesting poll. It was kind of like comparing oranges and apples. Pota is my favorite sci-fi but I also follow ST and SW. Elaine<.html

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.html.htmlGet Carter, starring Hollywood action man Sylvester Stallone, has been voted the worst movie remake of all time.
The classic original, starring Michael Caine, was moved from 1960s Newcastle to Seattle for the 2000 remake.

Film fans were also left unimpressed by the remake of Alfie - a role also made famous by Caine.

Alfie - starring Jude Law - came sixth in the Top 10 Worst Remakes poll, carried out by DVD rental firm ScreenSelect.co.uk.

TOP FIVE
Get Carter
Psycho
Thunderbirds
The Assassin
Charlie's Angels 

"Time after time, remakes fail to sparkle like the originals," said Alex Chesterman, founder of ScreenSelect.co.uk.

"The rehashed productions trade off fond memories of much-loved films.

"This poll is an indication that remakes can't compare with films which were classics of their time.

"It also proves you just can't beat Michael Caine," he added.

Second in the poll was Gus Van Sant's attempt to remake the Alfred Hitchcock horror Psycho for a new audience.

Thunderbirds movie was third, followed by Bridget Fonda thriller The Assassin - a remake of the cult film La Femme Nikita.

Other films to make the top 10 were Charlie's Angels - starring Cameron Diaz, Drew Barrymore and Lucy Liu - and Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes.

The poll of 2,000 film fans also showed they preferred the Frank Sinatra original of Ocean's Eleven than the George Clooney and Brad Pitt update.





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In a message dated 11/1/2004 1:25:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

While Zaius would provide interesting, stimulating conversation, he is never going to change.

Man is evil and should be kept in his place. The gorillas I believe could be convinced otherwise. I would attempt to talk with Urko and ask him why he is in the job of security chief. Did he always want to do that particular career or did he dream of doing something else while growing up. I would explain to him that by our observations of wild gorillas, they are peaceful and we now know how intelligent they are. They should be the intellectuals and the chimps should be the warriors. Maybe Urko would run screaming from my house. Elaine

How come no one picked the chimps? Is it because they talk too much?

Bruce

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

> What's all this about admiring Dr. Zauis? You're probably going

to vote for Bush. - - - Jeff

>
>Interesting speculation, Jeff, although Javier is in Mexico, and

I'm in Canada, so we can only watch your election from afar like
Brent and Nova peering down on Ape City! : )

Seriously, though, I think one of the fascinating things about POTA
is that none of the major characters in the first film is totally
wrong or right. Taylor represents independence and a free spirit,
but his pride sounds hollow when he declares that "we were better
than you" to Dr. Zaius. Dr. Zaius sees the evils that humanity
wrought on themselves and calls Taylor to account for them. Zaius is
right, be he can't quite see that his own society is bent on the
same destructive path. Cornelius and Zira are faithful friends who
want to do the right thing, but despite their status as hero and
heroine in the film, they are unable to overcome their own
prejudices and stereotypes toward both humans and their fellow apes
(gorillas and orangutans). It makes for complicated characters, the
likes of whom we didn't see in Burton's PA01 . And on any given day,
I can pick out reason's for admiring something in each of the main
characters, even the secretive Dr. Zaius.
David.

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In a message dated 11/1/2004 12:25:19 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I would explain to him that by our observations of wild gorillas, they are peaceful and we now know how intelligent they are. They should be the intellectuals and the chimps should be the warriors.

A lot of people bring that up (Gorillas are peaceful, Chimps the belligerent ones.), but you have to remember that in the POTA world Gorillas were chosen to be the protectors, etc., because of their large size and strength... It is a natural fit for them and it's their place in the Apes hierarchy...

 

Plus, look at it like this: As they evolved, the Chimps not only evolved intelligence/speech, but they lost their "savage" instincts as they evolved their peaceful characteristics... And while the Gorillas gained intelligence/speech, their personalities "devolved" to make them more brutish and warlike... (The same way as on Land of the Lost, the Sleestaks are "devolved" descendants of the Altrusians, The Altrusians being a race of intellects, the Sleestaks warlike creatures...)

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.html So a smaller chimp or orangutan can not protect ape society because of their size? I am not sure about de-evolving personality either. The gorillas would become more intelligent and able to become scientists, doctors etc. Are you saying that the apes  respond to size the way high school students do? Elaine<.html

.html I think Urko is intelligent but he uses corruption when he can't think of another way. Elaine<.html

This is great!...Thanks so much, Greg...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> Just want to let everyone know that some new files have been added
to Hunter's site.
>
> First, hi-res versions of the 2nd series TV cards I created for
Kassidy's site are now available for anyone who wants to print up a
set of cards for themselves. I've arranged the cards so they match up
to the puzzle backs. Print the fronts, print the backs, paste the
sides together and trim using the handy crop marks.
>
> Second, the first issue of the Marvel UK comic series is now
available for download in PDF format. The plan is to post an issue
each week, to mimic the weekly publication frequency. I'd also hoped
to match up with the original publication dates, but due to a
freelance job that was more complicated than I expected, I'm starting
a week behind. I'll get two issues done by next week to get in sync
with the cover dates. Each issue will only be available to download
for a few weeks to make room as new issues are added.
>
> Here's the link: www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Greg P.

Hey, I hear it's someone's B-Day today!...

G