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Group: pota Message: 29823 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Reminder - Michael Clarke Duncan's Birthday ...
Group: pota Message: 29824 From: JamesA1102@aol.com Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: PROMOTIONAL TV HERALD FOUND IN FOX VAULTS
Group: pota Message: 29825 From: James Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: PROMOTIONAL TV HERALD FOUND IN FOX VAULTS
Group: pota Message: 29826 From: joseramonruizdiez Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29827 From: Mark Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29828 From: Mark Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29829 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Marvel UK #8 available
Group: pota Message: 29830 From: JamesA1102@aol.com Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29831 From: ron kenner Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29832 From: ape_mom Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29833 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29834 From: Dave B Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29835 From: joseramonruizdiez Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29836 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29837 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Notice from Sideshow
Group: pota Message: 29838 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29839 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29840 From: joseramonruizdiez Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29841 From: ape_mom Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29842 From: potatv Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: FYI
Group: pota Message: 29843 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29844 From: Chris Lawless Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: ESCAPE radio promo 7"
Group: pota Message: 29845 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29846 From: joseramonruizdiez Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29847 From: Menluth Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29848 From: Dave B Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Secret Christmas names!
Group: pota Message: 29849 From: Dave B Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: DVD labels
Group: pota Message: 29850 From: Hoknes Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: LOOK-IN - 7/12/74 PLANET OF THE APES
Group: pota Message: 29851 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: APES promo records
Group: pota Message: 29852 From: Robert Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: RETURN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES available on DVD
Group: pota Message: 29853 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Sideshow Taylor sold out
Group: pota Message: 29854 From: Hoknes Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: RETURN TO THE PLANET OF THE APES now available on DVD - ordering de
Group: pota Message: 29855 From: Hoknes Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: RETURN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES avail
Group: pota Message: 29856 From: Mark Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: LOOK-IN - 7/12/74 PLANET OF THE APES
Group: pota Message: 29857 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Reminder - Richard D. Zanuck's Birthday
Group: pota Message: 29858 From: joseramonruizdiez Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29859 From: Hoknes Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: escape from the planet of the apes - the movie
Group: pota Message: 29860 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] LOOK-IN - 7/12/74 PLANET OF THE APES
Group: pota Message: 29861 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Fwd: [PotaDG] Whats the chance we will see another POTA Film??
Group: pota Message: 29862 From: Ray Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: New member
Group: pota Message: 29865 From: ape_mom Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: Fwd: [PotaDG] Whats the chance we will see another POTA Film??
Group: pota Message: 29866 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: Reminder - Richard D. Zanuck's Birthday
Group: pota Message: 29867 From: ape_mom Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: Secret Christmas names!
Group: pota Message: 29868 From: Dave B Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: New member
Group: pota Message: 29869 From: HollowedOut Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Huge props to Hunter!!!
Group: pota Message: 29870 From: ron kenner Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Reminder - Battle for the Planet of the Ap
Group: pota Message: 29871 From: Menluth Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: New member
Group: pota Message: 29872 From: Menluth Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29873 From: potatv Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: TV Contest - Final Week
Group: pota Message: 29874 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29875 From: Hoknes Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29876 From: Ray Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: New member
Group: pota Message: 29877 From: Ray Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Favorite POTA collectibles
Group: pota Message: 29878 From: Dave B Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: Fwd: [PotaDG] Whats the chance we will see another POTA Film??
Group: pota Message: 29879 From: ape_mom Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29880 From: ron kenner Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Fwd: [PotaDG] Whats the chance we will
Group: pota Message: 29881 From: Dave B Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29882 From: ron kenner Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29883 From: James Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29884 From: James Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29885 From: James Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29886 From: James Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: Secret Christmas names!
Group: pota Message: 29887 From: JamesA1102@aol.com Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: DVD labels
Group: pota Message: 29888 From: James Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: escape from the planet of the apes - the movie
Group: pota Message: 29889 From: James Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: New member
Group: pota Message: 29890 From: JamesA1102@aol.com Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29891 From: Menluth Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29892 From: ape_mom Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29893 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29894 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/14/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: New member
Group: pota Message: 29895 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Poll results for pota
Group: pota Message: 29896 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Poll results for pota
Group: pota Message: 29897 From: JamesA1102@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: Poll results for pota (Calendar)
Group: pota Message: 29898 From: James Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: Poll results for pota
Group: pota Message: 29899 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Secret Christmas names!
Group: pota Message: 29900 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29901 From: ape_mom Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29902 From: ape_mom Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: Poll results for pota
Group: pota Message: 29903 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29904 From: jose ramon Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: looking for a pic
Group: pota Message: 29905 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite POTA collectibles
Group: pota Message: 29906 From: ron kenner Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29907 From: ron kenner Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
Group: pota Message: 29908 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite POTA collectibles
Group: pota Message: 29909 From: protozaius Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite POTA collectibles
Group: pota Message: 29910 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Fwd: Holiday greetings from Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment
Group: pota Message: 29911 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: Favorite POTA collectibles
Group: pota Message: 29912 From: HollowedOut Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite POTA collectibles
Group: pota Message: 29913 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Favorite POTA collectibles
Group: pota Message: 29914 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29915 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PA68 references in PA01
Group: pota Message: 29916 From: Hoknes Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Favorite POTA collectibles
Group: pota Message: 29917 From: Dave B Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: Favorite POTA collectibles
Group: pota Message: 29918 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite POTA collectibles
Group: pota Message: 29919 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Marvel UK #9 is available
Group: pota Message: 29920 From: Ray Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: New member
Group: pota Message: 29921 From: ron kenner Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: New member who met nova
Group: pota Message: 29922 From: John O. Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: Favorite POTA collectibles
Group: pota Message: 29923 From: ron kenner Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Favorite POTA collectibles
Group: pota Message: 29924 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 12/16/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Favorite POTA collectibles



Group: pota Message: 29823 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/9/2004
Subject: Reminder - Michael Clarke Duncan's Birthday ...
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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Michael Clarke Duncan's Birthday� �

Date: Friday, December 10, 2004
Time: All Day
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Group: pota Message: 29824 From: JamesA1102@aol.com Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: PROMOTIONAL TV HERALD FOUND IN FOX VAULTS
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As many POTA fans know, FOX produced and distributed promotional Heralds for each of the five original films. The Heralds were fictional newspapers that theaters distributed to promote each new film.
 
It was long thought that the last Herald published was for Battle in 1973. Recently a startling discovery was made in the vaults of 20th Century Fox, a promotional Herald for the TV series.
 

Originally produced to be distributed by theaters during the GO APE festival in the summer of 1974, this 4 page TV Herald was held back due to legal complications with CBS. Now after 30 years this piece of POTA history has been found and can finally be seen by fans.
 


OK I'm lying. FOX never produced a Herald to promote the TV series.
 
But they should have.
 
Luckily, enough of us here in the POTA group thought so too. So in partnership with SIMIAN SCROLLS, the 4 page TV Herald that FOX should have produced in 1974 has now been published.
 
Many thanks to Mark Rogers, Kassidy Rae, our own Glen Scheetz and our friends at SIMIAN SCROLLS for the amazing job they've done.

Details on how you can get your own copy of the TV Herald will be announced here in the POTA group in the days and weeks ahead, so stay tuned.
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Group: pota Message: 29825 From: James Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: PROMOTIONAL TV HERALD FOUND IN FOX VAULTS
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For those who can't see the scans they are available in the Files
Section:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Herald/TVHeraldP1.jpg

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Herald/TVHeraldP4.jpg


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, JamesA1102@a... wrote:
> As many POTA fans know, FOX produced and distributed promotional
Heralds for
> each of the five original films. The Heralds were fictional
newspapers that
> theaters distributed to promote each new film.
>
> It was long thought that the last Herald published was for Battle
in 1973.
> Recently a startling discovery was made in the vaults of 20th
Century Fox, a
> promotional Herald for the TV series.
>
>
>
> Originally produced to be distributed by theaters during the GO
APE festival
> in the summer of 1974, this 4 page TV Herald was held back due to
legal
> complications with CBS. Now after 30 years this piece of POTA
history has been
> found and can finally be seen by fans.
>
>
>
> OK I'm lying. FOX never produced a Herald to promote the TV
series.
>
> But they should have.
>
> Luckily, enough of us here in the POTA group thought so too. So
in
> partnership with SIMIAN SCROLLS, the 4 page TV Herald that FOX
should have produced in
> 1974 has now been published.
>
> Many thanks to Mark Rogers, Kassidy Rae, our own Glen Scheetz and
our
> friends at SIMIAN SCROLLS for the amazing job they've done.
>
> Details on how you can get your free copy of the TV Herald will be
announced
> here in the POTA group in the days and weeks ahead, so stay
tuned.
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Group: pota Message: 29826 From: joseramonruizdiez Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: looking for a pic
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I´m looking for the famous pic about Tailor, Nova, a gorilla and the
Lawgiver statue.
Anyone can share a good scan?
I really like this pic. I think is in the little island on the
bridge to apecity.

Ape rule in Spain too.

JR
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Group: pota Message: 29827 From: Mark Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
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I posted the pic in the Misc pic folder. I'm sure someone else in the group has a better pic.
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Group: pota Message: 29828 From: Mark Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
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I have this picture but it is very small. I will enlarge it a bit and post it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "joseramonruizdiez" <joseramonruizdiez@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I´m looking for the famous pic about Tailor, Nova, a gorilla and the
> Lawgiver statue.
> Anyone can share a good scan?
> I really like this pic. I think is in the little island on the
> bridge to apecity.
>
> Ape rule in Spain too.
>
> JR
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Group: pota Message: 29829 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Marvel UK #8 available
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Thanks to Greg P., issue #8 of the Marvel UK comics is now available
for download:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter
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Group: pota Message: 29830 From: JamesA1102@aol.com Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
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I think this is the picture you're looking for Jose. Unfortunately, it's a B&W version.
 
 
 
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "joseramonruizdiez" <joseramonruizdiez@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I´m looking for the
famous pic about Tailor, Nova, a gorilla and the
> Lawgiver
statue.
> Anyone can share a good scan?
> I really like this pic. I
think is in the little island on the
> bridge to apecity.
>
> Ape rule in Spain too.
>
>
JR
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Group: pota Message: 29831 From: ron kenner Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: looking for a pic
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hey jose-
i like that picture, too.
i had linda harrison sign it, and i framed it, and have it on the wall in my bedroom. next to the ongaro picture. next to the medicoms. above the cornelius coin bank. adjacent to the apes posters. etc etc LOL
rob/ron

JamesA1102@... wrote:
I think this is the picture you're looking for Jose. Unfortunately, it's a B&W version.
 
 
 
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "joseramonruizdiez" <joseramonruizdiez@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I�m looking for the famous pic about Tailor, Nova, a gorilla and the
> Lawgiver statue.
> Anyone can share a good scan?
> I really like this pic. I think is in the little island on the
> bridge to apecity.
>
> Ape rule in Spain too.
>
> JR


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Group: pota Message: 29832 From: ape_mom Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Cartoons...
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Dear, dear friends...

Today I received my copy of the coveted 'Toon DVDs. I can't tell
you how extremely impressed I am!

I have [basically] no previous knowledge of these cartoons, so this
is a real treat. What a gift to Apes fans!

I want to say thank you to Hunter and Greg P. and Dave and James and
Greg H. and Cougar and Mike R. and anyone else that I might be
forgetting or might not know about.

BTW: I'm not an expert or a critic, but I think the pictures are
very clean and the sound is amazing. I grew up with broadcast TV
and never received pictures like these. Nice work, guys!!

Now, would someone please tell me where these fit in the "timeline"!!

--Helen
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Group: pota Message: 29833 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Cartoons...
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/10/2004 4:10:05 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Now, would someone please tell me where these fit in the "timeline"!!


They don't... RETURN is it's own "take" on the APES name, etc.and shouldn't be considered as canon...
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Group: pota Message: 29834 From: Dave B Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, JamesA1102@a... wrote:
> I think this is the picture you're looking for Jose. Unfortunately,
it's a
> B&W version.
>
>
>
> _http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/T&N.jpg_

Jose,

I have an 8x10 colour still of that pic. If you can wait until Sunday
when I'm back in the office I can do a hi-res scan for you.

Dave B
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Group: pota Message: 29835 From: joseramonruizdiez Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I posted the pic in the Misc pic folder. I'm sure someone else in
the group has a better pic.

Thanks Mark.

Sorry James, I can´t saw the pic. I don´t know what´s the problem.

Ron, I´m green of envy ;)

Some day I will do a diorama from this pic.

Ape rule in Spain too.
JR
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Group: pota Message: 29836 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: Cartoons...
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Good question Helen - and hopefully this will prompt some
conversation.

I have heard MANY different interpretations.

My own personal opinion is that this is a TOTALLY different universe
to the TV Series and Movies.

Right down to the pattern on Urko's helmet, it just don't fit!

But some say it does/can...I'll let THEM explain!

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear, dear friends...
>
> Today I received my copy of the coveted 'Toon DVDs. I can't tell
> you how extremely impressed I am!
>
> I have [basically] no previous knowledge of these cartoons, so
this
> is a real treat. What a gift to Apes fans!
>
> I want to say thank you to Hunter and Greg P. and Dave and James
and
> Greg H. and Cougar and Mike R. and anyone else that I might be
> forgetting or might not know about.
>
> BTW: I'm not an expert or a critic, but I think the pictures are
> very clean and the sound is amazing. I grew up with broadcast TV
> and never received pictures like these. Nice work, guys!!
>
> Now, would someone please tell me where these fit in
the "timeline"!!
>
> --Helen
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Group: pota Message: 29837 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Notice from Sideshow
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----- PLANET OF THE APES -----

* ASTRONAUT TAYLOR - OUT OF ORBIT
Our Planet of the Apes collectibles are red-hot. Both the exclusive and regular versions of Astronaut Taylor have sold-out. Your only chance to own the highly sought after collectible is to get on the wait list below.

Taylor Exclusive Wait List URL:
http://gt.sideshowtoy.com/exec/gt/ct.htmluser=ef1f022f130e&ct=02119417

Regular Taylor Wait List URL:
http://gt.sideshowtoy.com/exec/gt/ct.htmluser=ef1f022f130e&ct=02119418

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Group: pota Message: 29838 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/10/2004 8:17:49 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

But some say it does/can...I'll let THEM explain!


They're crazy if they do... There's no possible way they could be in the same line(s) as the TV series/movies...
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Group: pota Message: 29839 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/10/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
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Group: pota Message: 29840 From: joseramonruizdiez Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: looking for a pic
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>
> I have an 8x10 colour still of that pic. If you can wait until
Sunday
> when I'm back in the office I can do a hi-res scan for you.
>
> Dave B

That´s will be gret Dave.

Ape rule in Spain too.

JR
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Group: pota Message: 29841 From: ape_mom Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
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It seems that they tried to make them fit. Example: Brent's dog
tags, Nova, etc.

Definitely the technology is different. That could lead a person to
speculate that maybe the Apes also devolved as time went on.

Nope. I don't think they belong in the same universe. (But, I
don't think the TV series belongs in the same universe either.)
Ouch!!

--Helen



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I see the cartoon as in a different universe because there are so
many
> things like technology that are different from the original films.
Elaine
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Group: pota Message: 29842 From: potatv Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: FYI
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Due to circumstances beyond our control, the clip and questions for
the final week will not be posted until 9PM EST monday. Hope this is
not an inconvience. Thanks.
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Group: pota Message: 29843 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
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Helen, you can count me among those who feel that neither TV series takes place in the same universe as the films.
 
I have seen a timeline theory that manages to fit Return in, but you have to subscribe to the 'alternate' school of thought rather than the 'circular' school.
 
The theory goes that in a post-Battle world where Caesar has managed to make a more peaceful world between humans and apes, technology progresses to what we see in Return. However, humans devolve into mute beasts (remnants of the cat/dog plague?) and are eventually cast out of the cities. The apes are frozen at the technolgical level they achieved with the cooperation of humans, but they'll advance no further.
 
To me, it is clear that the producers of Return crafted their own version of the saga, keeping certain elements including character names from the film and previous TV series. They also added new elements, such as the monster bird and Kigor the giant ape, and they also gave the apes a higher technology level. If Fox were to try and relaunch the francise again, I think they could do worse than to take a similar approach (although they could leave behind the screeching of the monster bird, thank you very much.)
 
One theory as to why the apes are more advanced in the cartoon than they are in the film or previous series is that it was easier/cheaper  to animate apes in tanks and jeeps that it would have been to put them on horses. Of course, for the films it was easier/cheaper to construct the cave-like buildings of Ape City than it would have been to build modern-day structures that were scaled to apes.
 
Greg P.

ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:


It seems that they tried to make them fit.  Example:  Brent's dog
tags, Nova, etc. 

Definitely the technology is different.  That could lead a person to
speculate that maybe the Apes also devolved as time went on.

Nope.  I don't think they belong in the same universe.  (But, I
don't think the TV series belongs in the same universe either.) 
Ouch!!

--Helen
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Group: pota Message: 29844 From: Chris Lawless Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: ESCAPE radio promo 7"
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Did anyone on the group win this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3853619740&ssPage
Name=STRK:MEWA:IT


If so, I'm curious what was on it. Were there releases for the other 4
films as well?


Thanks,

Chris L.
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Group: pota Message: 29845 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
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It seems that they tried to make them fit.  Example:  Brent's dog
tags, Nova, etc. 


The Brent on RETURN isn't the same one as in BENEATH... As far as the same names, they just went with those names for "name recognition/name familiarity." (The same way the Zaius name was carried over from the movies to the live TV series...) I mean look, Urko is in RETURN, yet he didn't even exist in the world of Zira/Cornelius, etc. so that alone should tell you they just used familiar names, rather than coming up with new ones... Also, the year on RETURN is 3979, which is a year after Taylor had crashed, and 34 years after (BENEATH's ) Brent's broken chronometer of 3955... I don't think it was a deliberate move to "make them fit", it was just easier to use names that kid's already knew...




Definitely the technology is different.  That could lead a person to
speculate that maybe the Apes also devolved as time went on.


Again, the RETURN series is set in 3979, which is "after" the events of PLANET/BENEATH... So they couldn't have devolved, the animated series is just another take on the APES name...
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Group: pota Message: 29846 From: joseramonruizdiez Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: looking for a pic
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James, I think I have a problem with the simbol "&" in the
file "T&N.jpg"

Take care.

Ape rule in Spain too.
JR
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Group: pota Message: 29847 From: Menluth Date: 12/11/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> I have seen a timeline theory that manages to fit Return in, but
you have to subscribe to the 'alternate' school of thought rather
than the 'circular' school>> Greg P.

The Return series is also consistent with the Cyclical theory. The
Circular theory requires that events keep repeating themselves. The
Cyclical theory is similar to both the Alternate and Circular
theories, in that events keep playing out in a similar fashion
(cycle of evolved apes, time travel, ape city, bomb, etc.), but that
they play out differently each time. E.g. a John Brent appears in
one time cycle at a certain date, but a Ronald Brent turns up at
another date in another cycle. This is my preferred take on things,
and it allows me to deal better with all of the discrepancies.

Menluth.
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Group: pota Message: 29848 From: Dave B Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Secret Christmas names!
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Okay, this is just plain stupid but it's nearly Xmas and it made
me smile.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/fun_stuff/christmas/santas_little_help
er_names..htmlbr>
Doctor Zaius = Lovable Kissy-Gnome
Security chief Urko = Squelchy Chocolate-Elf

Dave
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Group: pota Message: 29849 From: Dave B Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: DVD labels
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I've created a folder in the file section called: Return Labels.

In it you will find circular labels for the actual discs themselves.
I've used the same elements I used for my cover so you now
have a matching set.

I hope somebody can find a use for them,
Dave B
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Group: pota Message: 29850 From: Hoknes Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: LOOK-IN - 7/12/74 PLANET OF THE APES
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does anybody have this UK annual ??
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Group: pota Message: 29851 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: APES promo records
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Group: pota Message: 29852 From: Robert Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: RETURN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES available on DVD
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Terry,

Will you be sending out notices of payment received and discs
shipped?

I have paid via PAYPAL. Any timeline on when the discs will be sent
out?
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Group: pota Message: 29853 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Sideshow Taylor sold out
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  Sideshow's website says that both the Astronaut Taylor and the Forbidden Zone Taylor are sold out. They join the original Dr. Zauis in the sold out category. Swimsuit Model Taylor is still available with Nova. - - - Jeff
 
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Group: pota Message: 29854 From: Hoknes Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: RETURN TO THE PLANET OF THE APES now available on DVD - ordering de
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UPDATED PRESS RELEASE
Go here for more details:  www.hoknes.com/return.htm
 
RETURN TO THE PLANET OF THE APES
2 DVD SET created by Hunter Goatley
http://www.goatley.com/pota/dvd/toons/
Artwork for DVD cover can be received from me via email or downloaded from

Mr. Goatley has gathered a large number of sources of copies of this great
cartoon series and has painstakingly taken the best sources available and compiled and
edited them to give us the best quality version ever available of this 1975 cartoon series

Terry Hoknes (Ape Chronicles
www.hoknes.com/apes.htm ) is in charge of taking and filling orders for
the new DVD set. Email him directly to place your order at 
terryhoknes@...
 
Costs have been kept as low as possible to save you money
however I have to make sure I don't lose money doing this so I have revised a few costs

DVD-R format is being used
There is no label or jacket artwork included
 
You have 3 choices to order
1 - generic DVD discs to save money - high quality
2 - name brand DVD discs
3 - mail me your own DVD blanks of your choice

ORDERS FOR UNITED STATES / MEXICO / CANADA - GENERIC DVD DISCS
2 DVD set (blank disc costs - generic $1.50 per DVD x 2 = $3.00 US funds)
plus $2.99 shipping/handling/envelope in US funds
I have tested these DVDs and have had no problems - quality is great
GRAND TOTAL COST = $5.99 US FUNDS
(please add 50 cents to help with paypal fees if you pay through paypal.com)

ORDERS FOR ALL COUNTRIES OUTSIDE OF NORTH AMERICA - GENERIC DVD DISCS
2 DVD set (blank disc costs - generic $1.50 per DVD x 2 = $3.00 US funds)
plus $5.99 shipping/handling/envelope in US Funds
I have tested these DVDs and have had no problems - quality is great
GRAND TOTAL COST = $8.99 US FUNDS
(please add 50 cents to help with paypal fees if you pay through paypal.com)
 
ORDERS FOR UNITED STATES / MEXICO / CANADA - NAME BRAND TDK or SONY DVD DISCS
2 DVD set (blank disc costs - generic $3.50 per DVD x 2 = $7.00 US funds)
plus $2.99 shipping/handling/envelope in US funds
I have tested these DVDs and have had no problems - quality is great
GRAND TOTAL COST = $9.99 US FUNDS
(please add 50 cents to help with paypal fees if you pay through paypal.com)

ORDERS FOR ALL COUNTRIES OUTSIDE OF NORTH AMERICA - NAME BRAND TDK or SONY DVD DISCS
2 DVD set (blank disc costs - generic $3.50 per DVD x 2 = $7.00 US funds)
plus $5.99 shipping/handling/envelope in US Funds
I have tested these DVDs and have had no problems - quality is great
GRAND TOTAL COST = $12.99 US FUNDS
(please add 50 cents to help with paypal fees if you pay through paypal.com)
 
YOUR OWN DVDS !
Your other option if you want to save the DVD costs is to mail me your own
blank discs (any brand) and then you just pay for shipping
 
Also if you want to save on any shipping costs you can make your own arrangements with other POTA fans/friends in your area/country and we can arrange to ship a few sets of the DVDs in one package to a particular person if you feel this will save you any shipping costs.
 
I expect to start making these DVDs available starting Dec 15th so you can
place your orders now or wait.
The earliest orders "might" make it in time for Christmas

If orders get really high than there are other members such as Greg, Mark,
Dave etc who also volunteered to help out with copying discs and mailing in foreign countries.
I appreciate their help.  However at this point I can easily handle any expected orders in quantity.

I take/use paypal at HOKNES@...
if using paypal just log in to paypal.com
click on "send money" and then choose "goods"

I also accept international money orders, personal checks and cash
Prices quote are all in US funds
Note if you are mailing payment - please include your name/address / email address / what you are paying for
I do have other POTA items for sale at
www.hoknes.com/apes.htm if you want to combine and save on shipping costs

If you need your item shipped faster (more expensive speedy delivery) please let me know to make special arrangements

Thanks again to Hunter Goatley for putting this DVD set together.
Once everyone has their new DVD sets in January than I recommend that we get together to discuss this wonderful cartoon series on its 30th anniversary.   Michael Whitty has plans for a contest based on the cartoons.

If you have questions about this please let me know
Questions? Ask for Terry (306) 373-5182
I cannot answer emails on weekends !
 
TERRY HOKNES
2449 EASTVIEW
SASKATOON, SK
CANADA
S7J 3E8
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Group: pota Message: 29855 From: Hoknes Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: RETURN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES avail
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I have received payment from about 8 people so far
Orders will be shipped as soon as the dvds are ready
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Group: pota Message: 29856 From: Mark Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Re: LOOK-IN - 7/12/74 PLANET OF THE APES
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I don't have it but here's a link that shows it and several other issues:
http://www.hadleyburg.demon.co.uk/patv/pxf.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> does anybody have this UK annual ??
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Group: pota Message: 29857 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/12/2004
Subject: Reminder - Richard D. Zanuck's Birthday
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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Richard D. Zanuck's Birthday� �

Date: Monday, December 13, 2004
Time: All Day
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Group: pota Message: 29858 From: joseramonruizdiez Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: looking for a pic
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Thanks everybody for the help.

I like very much this pic. I think is near the beginnig of shooting,
but is interesting the slim gorilla lacking the later padding. Nova
is really beautifull.

Take care.

Ape rule in Spain too.

JR
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Group: pota Message: 29859 From: Hoknes Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: escape from the planet of the apes - the movie
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So tonight I watched this great film for the first time in about 5 yrs
It is one of my favorites and tonite reminded me of how much i liked it
the pacing is so good
it has such happy moments and then really brings it down to depression near the end
 
anybody notice that Milo really acts and talks like Roddy does later as Galen in the TV series?
I thought it could have been Roddy speaking
 
is Hasslein mentioned in "conquest"
I wondered how much would the POTA timeline change if Hasslein himself is not killed in this movie and would go on further in the storyline         would he be a hero or a criminal?
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Group: pota Message: 29860 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] LOOK-IN - 7/12/74 PLANET OF THE APES
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/12/2004 9:15:58 PM Central Standard Time, terryhoknes@... writes:

does anybody have this UK annual ??


There was a UK annual featuring APES even before it hit the airwaves in the States?

I don't have that, but I do have the regular issues: Issue # 43 from 1974 (week ending 2nd /November/1974) and issue # 3 from 1975 (week ending 11th/January/1975). Are there any questions you might want answered on those?
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Group: pota Message: 29861 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/13/2004
Subject: Fwd: [PotaDG] Whats the chance we will see another POTA Film??
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    Group: pota Message: 29862 From: Ray Date: 12/13/2004
    Subject: New member
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    Hello. I just joined.
    My name is Ray Alma. I'm a freelance cartoonist and huge POTA fan.
    One of my main clients is Mad magazine. I was lucky enough (or
    unlucky, depending on how you feel about it) to draw the Mad
    adapation of the Burton remake in 2001. It appeared in Mad #411. I
    threw in as many references to the original movie series that I could.
    I uploaded some excerpts from the Mad piece in the FanArt section.
    I hope you guys like them.

    I collect action figures, mainly G.I.Joes. They were the main toy I
    enjoyed as a kid, but I also loved my 8" Mego POTA figures and have
    been collecting them as well. I always wanted G.I.Joe scale Ape
    figures, and I'm very excited and hopeful about the upcoming Sideshow
    figures. The Hasbro ones just didn't cut it.
    Collecting the Megos and buying Sausville's POTA collectibles book
    has led me to expand my POTA collecting. I mainly tried to re-acquire
    the stuff I had as a kid; the Marvel comic/magazines, TV trading
    cards,puzzles,models, etc.
    I also like some new stuff. I just completed the Medicom 6" figures.

    I look forward to contributing to this site.
    Thanks.
    Happy Holidays!

    -Ray
    www.rayalma.com
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    Group: pota Message: 29865 From: ape_mom Date: 12/13/2004
    Subject: Re: Fwd: [PotaDG] Whats the chance we will see another POTA Film??
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    That's sad :((





    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
    >
    >
    > Hello all, Does anybody think we will see another POTA film
    again? Or a TV
    > series again?
    >
    > I don't like to think that we wont, but I don't have a good
    feeling that we
    > will see another film.
    >
    > Happy Holidays--- Tony
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    Group: pota Message: 29866 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/13/2004
    Subject: Re: Reminder - Richard D. Zanuck's Birthday
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    James,

    This is a cue to change the home-page picture! ;)

    Michael

    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
    >
    > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
    >
    > Richard D. Zanuck's Birthday
    >
    > Date: Monday, December 13, 2004
    > Time: All Day
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    Group: pota Message: 29867 From: ape_mom Date: 12/13/2004
    Subject: Re: Secret Christmas names!
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    Roddy is "Scrooge-Cheeks"!

    (I have got to get a life!)



    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Okay, this is just plain stupid but it's nearly Xmas and it made
    > me smile.
    >
    > http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/fun_stuff/christmas/santas_little_help
    > er_names..htmlbr> >
    > Doctor Zaius = Lovable Kissy-Gnome
    > Security chief Urko = Squelchy Chocolate-Elf
    >
    > Dave
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    Group: pota Message: 29868 From: Dave B Date: 12/13/2004
    Subject: Re: New member
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    Hi Ray.

    I enjoyed the pix.

    I was wondering, one of the things that plagued the Marvel movie adaptations
    of the 70's was that they were unable to use any likenesses - especially that of
    Charlton Heston. Is Mad magazine ever criticized by disgruntled celebs or,
    being a parody are they unable to complain? (assuming they wanted to)

    Dave B
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    Group: pota Message: 29869 From: HollowedOut Date: 12/13/2004
    Subject: Huge props to Hunter!!!
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    Hunter, thank you so much for the Return DVD's... you're beyond a stand-up guy!!!
     
    THANKS SO MUCH!! These are by far the nicest DVD's I've seen in a long while for something like this!!! I've seen tapes at the Comic Con and always thought about buying a set, but they've pretty much always sucked. However, these are crisp and clear and the sound is wonderful!!!
     
    Thanks again!

    -Chris

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    Group: pota Message: 29870 From: ron kenner Date: 12/13/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Reminder - Battle for the Planet of the Ap
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    thnaks; i just tuned in; looks like the end of escape right now.
    it will be a good day at work...

    pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:

    We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

    Battle for the Planet of the Apes

    Date: Monday, December 13, 2004
    Time: 11:00AM - 1:00PM EST (GMT-05:00)

    SCI FI Channel






    Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more...



    go vegetarian!

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    Group: pota Message: 29871 From: Menluth Date: 12/13/2004
    Subject: Re: New member
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    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...> wrote:
    >> Hello. I just joined.
    > -Ray
    > www.rayalma.com

    Ho Ray!
    Welcome to the Planet of the Apes! With your cartoon work on a POTA
    Mad edition, that gives you an honored spot in Apes lore! I know
    what you mean about collecting and trying to get back the things
    that got thrown out over the years. My nephew got to my POTA Mego
    collection long before I knew about it, and all I have is a mish-
    mash of legs, a couple of ape heads, a Zaius jacket, and some brown
    leggings. Oh, and my Mego Spock shirt. I have since collected most
    of my lost collection back on eBay and the odd antique toy
    convention.

    I am enjoying the Sideshow figures, and have the 2 Zaius figures
    now. I am eagerly (gross understatement) awaiting the 18.5 inch tall
    Lawgiver statue! Call me wacky, but I'd especially love to have a
    Virgil action figure. There just aren't enough orangutans out there!

    Tell us about your favorite POTA collectibles.

    Again, welcome.

    David aka "Menluth"
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    Group: pota Message: 29872 From: Menluth Date: 12/13/2004
    Subject: PA68 references in PA01
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    Okay, there hasn't been much talk on Burton's Apes film for a bit.
    PA01 was an homage to the original film. Some might say that was
    it's best quality.

    Let's try and list all of the PA68 references there are in Burton's
    take on the legend. One that comes to mind (and I think Burton
    mentions this in the commentary, doesn't he?) is the look of Calima
    (ruins of the USAF Oberon). The ruin was designed to be reminiscent
    of the crown of the burnt-out Statue of Liberty from Schaffner's
    film. Someone else care to offer the next one?

    Menluth.
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    Group: pota Message: 29873 From: potatv Date: 12/13/2004
    Subject: TV Contest - Final Week
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    This week's clip and questions from the episode UP ABOVE THE WORLD
    SO HIGH are now available for viewing. No more entries for Week 13
    will be permitted.

    This week's weekly prize is a copy of Ape Chronicles and the full 90
    card set of Archives POTA trading cards.

    This week's winner, racking up his fifth weekly win is
    Mark/rkid67@y... Congrats Mark.

    The current standings for the Grand Prize as well as the questions
    and answers from previous weeks are available in the Database
    section.
    http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database

    To view this week's clip and answer the questions either click the
    banner on the Yahoo Home Page
    http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pota/ or directly
    http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/ .

    Good Luck everyone!
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    Group: pota Message: 29874 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/13/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] PA68 references in PA01
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    .html.htmlIn a message dated 12/13/2004 8:10:26 PM Central Standard Time, menluth@... writes:

    One that comes to mind (and I think Burton
    mentions this in the commentary, doesn't he?) is the look of Calima
    (ruins of the USAF Oberon). The ruin was designed to be reminiscent
    of the crown of the burnt-out Statue of Liberty from Schaffner's
    film.


    I never seen pota2001, but have seen pictures of the wrecked ship in the desert... To me, those ruins look more like the (RETURN ) Brent's ship than the Statue of Liberty...
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    Group: pota Message: 29875 From: Hoknes Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
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    its a very tidy thing to make everything in POTA history fit all together
    with alternate universes and timelines etc it can all be done
    but it complicates things too!
     
     
     
     
    Helen, you can count me among those who feel that neither TV series takes place in the same universe as the films.
     
    I have seen a timeline theory that manages to fit Return in, but you have to subscribe to the 'alternate' school of thought rather than the 'circular' school.
     
    The theory goes that in a post-Battle world where Caesar has managed to make a more peaceful world between humans and apes, technology progresses to what we see in Return. However, humans devolve into mute beasts (remnants of the cat/dog plague?) and are eventually cast out of the cities. The apes are frozen at the technolgical level they achieved with the cooperation of humans, but they'll advance no further.
     
    To me, it is clear that the producers of Return crafted their own version of the saga, keeping certain elements including character names from the film and previous TV series. They also added new elements, such as the monster bird and Kigor the giant ape, and they also gave the apes a higher technology level. If Fox were to try and relaunch the francise again, I think they could do worse than to take a similar approach (although they could leave behind the screeching of the monster bird, thank you very much.)
     
    One theory as to why the apes are more advanced in the cartoon than they are in the film or previous series is that it was easier/cheaper  to animate apes in tanks and jeeps that it would have been to put them on horses. Of course, for the films it was easier/cheaper to construct the cave-like buildings of Ape City than it would have been to build modern-day structures that were scaled to apes.
     
    Greg P.

    ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:


    It seems that they tried to make them fit.  Example:  Brent's dog
    tags, Nova, etc. 

    Definitely the technology is different.  That could lead a person to
    speculate that maybe the Apes also devolved as time went on.

    Nope.  I don't think they belong in the same universe.  (But, I
    don't think the TV series belongs in the same universe either.) 
    Ouch!!

    --Helen


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    Group: pota Message: 29876 From: Ray Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: New member
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    Hi Dave,

    I felt the same way about the Marvel comics: "Why can't they make
    that look like Charlton Heston?". I guess it was a money thing. Not
    having the rights to use specific likenesses. Same deal with the Mego
    Astronaut.
    That was the great thing about the Mad and Cracked parodies, they
    were able to use the particular actors. Parody/satire is protected
    under copyright imfringement laws. I don't know if any celeb ever
    complained about how they were portrayed in Mad. If they did, I don't
    think that there is much they could do legally. More often than not,
    celebs who have appeared in Mad will contact the mag and ask to buy
    the original art. They get a kick out it. I've sold some of my Mad
    art to some celebs. Unfortunately, no one from the '01 POTA movie has
    contacted me about buying that art. I guess they're all trying to
    forget about it.
    Hey Linda Harrison, if you're out there - call me. I'll give you a
    good price on the art. ;)

    -Ray

    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Hi Ray.
    >
    > I enjoyed the pix.
    >
    > I was wondering, one of the things that plagued the Marvel movie
    adaptations
    > of the 70's was that they were unable to use any likenesses -
    especially that of
    > Charlton Heston. Is Mad magazine ever criticized by disgruntled
    celebs or,
    > being a parody are they unable to complain? (assuming they wanted
    to)
    >
    > Dave B
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    Group: pota Message: 29877 From: Ray Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Favorite POTA collectibles
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    Menluth,

    How are the Sideshow Zaius'?
    I've heard negative reviews about the exclusive Dr. People have said
    that the coloring and stitching on his jacket are off. Let me know
    what you think.

    It's hard for me to pick my favorite collectible. I feel like I'm
    discriminating, so that I've only bought the stuff I really, really
    like. So for me, it's kinda everything I have.
    I guess if you threatened me with "dissection and death (in that
    order)", then I'd have to say the Mego figures. They were the overall
    most fun as a kid. Hours of potential fun there.
    I have a feeling that I'm going to really like the Sideshow Apes.
    We'll see.

    By the way, you're not wacky for wanting a Virgil figure. I wouldn't
    mind one either. When Medicom made Aldo and Ceaser, I really thought
    that they'd continue with even more characters: Virgil, Lisa,
    Mutants, etc.
    Oh well.It wouldve' been cool.

    -Ray

    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...> wrote:
    > >> Hello. I just joined.
    > > -Ray
    > > www.rayalma.com
    >
    > Ho Ray!
    > Welcome to the Planet of the Apes! With your cartoon work on a POTA
    > Mad edition, that gives you an honored spot in Apes lore! I know
    > what you mean about collecting and trying to get back the things
    > that got thrown out over the years. My nephew got to my POTA Mego
    > collection long before I knew about it, and all I have is a mish-
    > mash of legs, a couple of ape heads, a Zaius jacket, and some brown
    > leggings. Oh, and my Mego Spock shirt. I have since collected most
    > of my lost collection back on eBay and the odd antique toy
    > convention.
    >
    > I am enjoying the Sideshow figures, and have the 2 Zaius figures
    > now. I am eagerly (gross understatement) awaiting the 18.5 inch
    tall
    > Lawgiver statue! Call me wacky, but I'd especially love to have a
    > Virgil action figure. There just aren't enough orangutans out
    there!
    >
    > Tell us about your favorite POTA collectibles.
    >
    > Again, welcome.
    >
    > David aka "Menluth"
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    Group: pota Message: 29878 From: Dave B Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: Fwd: [PotaDG] Whats the chance we will see another POTA Film??
    .html
    I think we will. I'd bet on it.

    When that might be and what it will look like is anyone's guess. As Jeff K has
    pointed out the upcoming Peter Jackson directed King Kong may well be a
    deciding factor. If it's a hit, simian themed movies might well become the
    flavour of the month.

    I don't think we will ever see 'classic' apes again, other than affectionate
    parodies and merchandising. I don't think a sequel to Burton's version is likely
    either, you'd need the merchandise people to sign on the dotted line before a
    frame of film was green lit and too many manufacturers got badly burned last
    time. Dark Horse comics for instance.

    There's still Boulle's original which to me seems a viable contender for the
    Sci- Fi channel or perhaps Hallmark. My money would be on that - or yet
    another 're-imagining'.

    Dave
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    Group: pota Message: 29879 From: ape_mom Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: PA68 references in PA01
    .html
    Is there a picture of this somewhere? I leant out my DVD (a couple
    years ago) and don't recall the resemblance -- not that it isn't
    there.


    --Helen



    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Okay, there hasn't been much talk on Burton's Apes film for a bit.
    > PA01 was an homage to the original film. Some might say that was
    > it's best quality.
    >
    > Let's try and list all of the PA68 references there are in
    Burton's
    > take on the legend. One that comes to mind (and I think Burton
    > mentions this in the commentary, doesn't he?) is the look of
    Calima
    > (ruins of the USAF Oberon). The ruin was designed to be
    reminiscent
    > of the crown of the burnt-out Statue of Liberty from Schaffner's
    > film. Someone else care to offer the next one?
    >
    > Menluth.
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    Group: pota Message: 29880 From: ron kenner Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Fwd: [PotaDG] Whats the chance we will
    .html
    i think dave is right;
    the most realistic hope is to see adaptation of boulle on the sci-fi channel.
     
    rob/ron

    Dave B <dave@...> wrote:


    I think we will. I'd bet on it.

    When that might be and what it will look like is anyone's guess. As Jeff K has
    pointed out the upcoming Peter Jackson directed King Kong may well be a
    deciding factor. If it's a hit, simian themed movies might well become the
    flavour of the month.

    I don't think we will ever see 'classic' apes again, other than affectionate
    parodies and merchandising. I don't think a sequel to Burton's version is likely
    either, you'd need the merchandise people to sign on the dotted line before a
    frame of film was green lit and too many manufacturers got badly burned last
    time. Dark Horse comics for instance.

    There's still Boulle's original which to me seems a viable contender for the
    Sci- Fi channel or perhaps Hallmark. My money would be on that - or yet
    another 're-imagining'.

    Dave








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    Group: pota Message: 29881 From: Dave B Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: PA68 references in PA01
    .html
    I didn't think the Oberon itself was supposed to resemble Lady Liberty but
    rather the camera angles from which the reveal was shot.

    In the 2001 movie we see Marky Mark shot from a high angle and looking up
    just like Taylor in the original when he first sees the statue. Then some 'spikes'
    creep into shot - a touch of deja vu that, for a moment suggests the crown of
    the statue of Liberty.

    It's pretty subtle - unlike Attar's 'get your stinking paws off me' "Tribute"

    Dave

    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Is there a picture of this somewhere? I leant out my DVD (a couple
    > years ago) and don't recall the resemblance -- not that it isn't
    > there.
    >
    >
    > --Helen
    >
    >
    >
    > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > Okay, there hasn't been much talk on Burton's Apes film for a bit.
    > > PA01 was an homage to the original film. Some might say that was
    > > it's best quality.
    > >
    > > Let's try and list all of the PA68 references there are in
    > Burton's
    > > take on the legend. One that comes to mind (and I think Burton
    > > mentions this in the commentary, doesn't he?) is the look of
    > Calima
    > > (ruins of the USAF Oberon). The ruin was designed to be
    > reminiscent
    > > of the crown of the burnt-out Statue of Liberty from Schaffner's
    > > film. Someone else care to offer the next one?
    > >
    > > Menluth.
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    Group: pota Message: 29882 From: ron kenner Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PA68 references in PA01
    .html
    i also noticed the statue/crown resemblence.
    i guess we should mention that linda harrison was in it, and there was an ape named nova.

    ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:


    Is there a picture of this somewhere?  I leant out my DVD (a couple
    years ago) and don't recall the resemblance -- not that it isn't
    there.


    --Helen



    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Okay, there hasn't been much talk on Burton's Apes film for a bit.
    > PA01 was an homage to the original film. Some might say that was
    > it's best quality.
    >
    > Let's try and list all of the PA68 references there are in
    Burton's
    > take on the legend. One that comes to mind (and I think Burton
    > mentions this in the commentary, doesn't he?) is the look of
    Calima
    > (ruins of the USAF Oberon). The ruin was designed to be
    reminiscent
    > of the crown of the burnt-out Statue of Liberty from Schaffner's
    > film. Someone else care to offer the next one?
    >
    > Menluth.








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    Group: pota Message: 29883 From: James Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: looking for a pic
    .html
    Try this link and let me know if you can see it:

    http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TaylorAndNova.jpg

    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "joseramonruizdiez"
    <joseramonruizdiez@y...> wrote:
    >
    > Thanks Mark.
    >
    > Sorry James, I can´t saw the pic. I don´t know what´s the problem.
    >
    > Ron, I´m green of envy ;)
    >
    > Some day I will do a diorama from this pic.
    >
    > Ape rule in Spain too.
    > JR
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    Group: pota Message: 29884 From: James Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
    .html
    I could be wrong but it looks like they just took some elements from
    the movies and did their own thing.
    The TV series is different. There is no conclusive evidence either
    way. It can fit in with the movies but it doesn't have to either.
    It's up to one's personal interpetation.

    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > It seems that they tried to make them fit. Example: Brent's dog
    > tags, Nova, etc.
    >
    > Definitely the technology is different. That could lead a person
    to
    > speculate that maybe the Apes also devolved as time went on.
    >
    > Nope. I don't think they belong in the same universe. (But, I
    > don't think the TV series belongs in the same universe either.)
    > Ouch!!
    >
    > --Helen
    >
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    Group: pota Message: 29885 From: James Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: looking for a pic
    .html
    Try this link:

    http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TaylorAndNova.jpg


    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "joseramonruizdiez"
    <joseramonruizdiez@y...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > James, I think I have a problem with the simbol "&" in the
    > file "T&N.jpg"
    >
    > Take care.
    >
    > Ape rule in Spain too.
    > JR
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    Group: pota Message: 29886 From: James Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: Secret Christmas names!
    .html
    Cute. I put in George Taylor and got Cutie Brandy butter-Bum.


    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Okay, this is just plain stupid but it's nearly Xmas and it made
    > me smile.
    >
    >
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/fun_stuff/christmas/santas_little_helper_names..html"
    >
    > Doctor Zaius = Lovable Kissy-Gnome
    > Security chief Urko = Squelchy Chocolate-Elf
    >
    > Dave
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    Group: pota Message: 29887 From: JamesA1102@aol.com Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: DVD labels
    .html
    .html
    Thanks Dave,
     
    These are great.
     
    disc 1.jpg: Click to view full-size version
    disc 2.jpg: Click to view full-size version
     
    These are available in the File Section:
     
     
     
     
    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > I've created a folder in the file section
    called: Return Labels.
    >
    > In it you will find circular labels for
    the actual discs themselves.
    > I've used the same elements I used for my
    cover so you now
    > have a matching set.
    >
    > I hope somebody
    can find a use for them,
    > Dave B
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    Group: pota Message: 29888 From: James Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: escape from the planet of the apes - the movie
    .html
    In an alternate timeline, he becomes discredited within the
    scientific community for interfering in events instead of just
    observing them. He decides to change his name and goes to acting school and is roommates with former astronaut Pete Burke. Both become successful in their new careers. Burke on Broadway and Hasslein becoming a famous soap opera star. ;-)

    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
    > is Hasslein mentioned in "conquest"
    > I wondered how much would the POTA timeline change if Hasslein
    himself is not killed in this movie and would go on further in the
    storyline
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    Group: pota Message: 29889 From: James Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: New member
    .html
    Hey Ray,

    Great to have you here. The works that you've contributed have been
    added to the Group's Art Gallery accessible via the link on the
    Yahoo Home Page:

    http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm


    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Hello. I just joined.
    > My name is Ray Alma. I'm a freelance cartoonist and huge POTA fan.
    > One of my main clients is Mad magazine. I was lucky enough (or
    > unlucky, depending on how you feel about it) to draw the Mad
    > adapation of the Burton remake in 2001. It appeared in Mad #411. I
    > threw in as many references to the original movie series that I
    could.
    > I uploaded some excerpts from the Mad piece in the FanArt section.
    > I hope you guys like them.
    >
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    Group: pota Message: 29890 From: JamesA1102@aol.com Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: PA68 references in PA01
    .html
    .html
    Take a look at this:
     
    Other photos of the ship are in the Files Section:
     
    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Is there a picture of this somewhere?  I
    leant out my DVD (a couple
    > years ago) and don't recall the resemblance
    -- not that it isn't
    > there.
    >
    >
    >
    --Helen
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    Group: pota Message: 29891 From: Menluth Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PA68 references in PA01
    .html
    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
    > i also noticed the statue/crown resemblence.
    > i guess we should mention that linda harrison was in it, and there
    was an ape named nova.
    >

    Another obvious one was Thade's father on his deathbed, with Heston
    using his own lines from PA68 with reverse meaning, "Damn them, damn
    them all to hell!"

    Menluth.
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    Group: pota Message: 29892 From: ape_mom Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: PA68 references in PA01
    .html
    Thanks, James. I couldn't see your image, but I found this. Is
    this the one?
    http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/gH6_QUEN-NFFh2KRJyq_jPSXvZDwOBvuwn_ZbdP8cCyN13YUbgUhTDtp1nbt3NSxsgDxFWtc615cQeL5jWw2JuQ6EZTMLiIcwjNL61Vd/2001%20pics/apes_set14.jpg

    I guess it is similar in some ways.

    --Helen




    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, JamesA1102@a... wrote:
    > Take a look at this:
    >
    >
    > Other photos of the ship are in the Files Section:
    > _http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/2001%20pics/_
    > (http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/2001%20pics/)
    >
    > --- In _pota@yahoogroups.com_
    (mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com) , "ape_mom"
    > <_sand_hill_school@y_ (mailto:sand_hill_school@y) ...> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > Is there a picture of this somewhere? I leant out my DVD (a
    couple
    > > years ago) and don't recall the resemblance -- not that it
    isn't
    > > there.
    > >
    > >
    > > --Helen
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    Group: pota Message: 29893 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PA68 references in PA01
    .html
    That was the line that really did it for me.....until then I clung
    on to some hope for the remake, but I recall after that point I was
    forcing back the bile.

    Michael


    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
    wrote:
    > > i also noticed the statue/crown resemblence.
    > > i guess we should mention that linda harrison was in it, and
    there
    > was an ape named nova.
    > >
    >
    > Another obvious one was Thade's father on his deathbed, with
    Heston
    > using his own lines from PA68 with reverse meaning, "Damn them,
    damn
    > them all to hell!"
    >
    > Menluth.
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    Group: pota Message: 29894 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/14/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: New member
    .html
    -Those are great...love that last Zira pic! Welcome
    Ray! Can you tell us who did the classic Mad apes
    cover? and do you still have the original of your
    work?

    Tim


    -- James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

    >
    >
    > Hey Ray,
    >
    > Great to have you here. The works that you've
    > contributed have been
    > added to the Group's Art Gallery accessible via the
    > link on the
    > Yahoo Home Page:
    >
    >
    http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm
    >
    >
    > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...>
    > wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > Hello. I just joined.
    > > My name is Ray Alma. I'm a freelance cartoonist
    > and huge POTA fan.
    > > One of my main clients is Mad magazine. I was
    > lucky enough (or
    > > unlucky, depending on how you feel about it) to
    > draw the Mad
    > > adapation of the Burton remake in 2001. It
    > appeared in Mad #411. I
    > > threw in as many references to the original movie
    > series that I
    > could.
    > > I uploaded some excerpts from the Mad piece in the
    > FanArt section.
    > > I hope you guys like them.
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >




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    Group: pota Message: 29895 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Poll results for pota
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    The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
    final results:


    POLL QUESTION: Which version of the 2005 Calendar do
    you prefer?

    CHOICES AND RESULTS
    - The Traditional Version, 2 votes, 22.22%
    - The New Version, 7 votes, 77.78%



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    Group: pota Message: 29896 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Poll results for pota
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    The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
    final results:


    POLL QUESTION: What POTA characters would you invite
    to your home for the holidays? (Vote
    for as many as you like.)

    CHOICES AND RESULTS
    - Taylor, 4 votes, 4.08%
    - Cornelius, 8 votes, 8.16%
    - Zira , 9 votes, 9.18%
    - Nova, 10 votes, 10.20%
    - Dr. Zaius, 5 votes, 5.10%
    - Brent, 1 votes, 1.02%
    - Ursus, 2 votes, 2.04%
    - Mendez or any of the Mutants, 0 votes, 0.00%
    - Dr. Milo, 4 votes, 4.08%
    - Dr. Hasslien, 1 votes, 1.02%
    - Armando, 6 votes, 6.12%
    - Caesar, 7 votes, 7.14%
    - Gov. Breck, 0 votes, 0.00%
    - McDonald, 4 votes, 4.08%
    - Lisa, 6 votes, 6.12%
    - Aldo, 0 votes, 0.00%
    - Virgil, 3 votes, 3.06%
    - Galen, 8 votes, 8.16%
    - Burke, 5 votes, 5.10%
    - Virdon, 4 votes, 4.08%
    - Urko, 2 votes, 2.04%
    - Leo, 1 votes, 1.02%
    - Ari, 3 votes, 3.06%
    - Thade, 2 votes, 2.04%
    - Daena, 3 votes, 3.06%



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    Group: pota Message: 29897 From: JamesA1102@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Re: Poll results for pota (Calendar)
    .html
    .html
    Wow it seems the "New Version" is the overwhelming favorite.
    New Version.jpg
    The full size version is now available for download in the Files section in the Calendars folder: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Calendars/
     
     
    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
    >
    > The following pota poll is now closed.  Here are
    the
    > final results:
    >
    >
    > POLL QUESTION: Which
    version of the 2005 Calendar do
    > you prefer?
    >
    > CHOICES
    AND RESULTS
    > - The Traditional Version, 2 votes, 22.22% 
    > -
    The New Version, 7 votes, 77.78% 
    >
    >
    >
    > For
    more information about this group, please visit
    >
    href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota
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    Group: pota Message: 29898 From: James Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Re: Poll results for pota
    .html
    Wow Nova came in first. I guess there was no consideration of table
    manners or ability to use utensils ;-) Zira was second and Cornelius
    & Galen tied for third (but how would you which one had asked to
    pass the gravy?). Aldo, Gov. Breck and the Mutants got no votes. I'm
    not surprized. We had a Mutant for dinner one year and he kept on
    creating illusions that the turkey was still alive. Very disturbing.

    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
    >
    > The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
    > final results:
    >
    >
    > POLL QUESTION: What POTA characters would you invite
    > to your home for the holidays? (Vote
    > for as many as you like.)
    >
    > CHOICES AND RESULTS
    > - Taylor, 4 votes, 4.08%
    > - Cornelius, 8 votes, 8.16%
    > - Zira , 9 votes, 9.18%
    > - Nova, 10 votes, 10.20%
    > - Dr. Zaius, 5 votes, 5.10%
    > - Brent, 1 votes, 1.02%
    > - Ursus, 2 votes, 2.04%
    > - Mendez or any of the Mutants, 0 votes, 0.00%
    > - Dr. Milo, 4 votes, 4.08%
    > - Dr. Hasslien, 1 votes, 1.02%
    > - Armando, 6 votes, 6.12%
    > - Caesar, 7 votes, 7.14%
    > - Gov. Breck, 0 votes, 0.00%
    > - McDonald, 4 votes, 4.08%
    > - Lisa, 6 votes, 6.12%
    > - Aldo, 0 votes, 0.00%
    > - Virgil, 3 votes, 3.06%
    > - Galen, 8 votes, 8.16%
    > - Burke, 5 votes, 5.10%
    > - Virdon, 4 votes, 4.08%
    > - Urko, 2 votes, 2.04%
    > - Leo, 1 votes, 1.02%
    > - Ari, 3 votes, 3.06%
    > - Thade, 2 votes, 2.04%
    > - Daena, 3 votes, 3.06%
    >
    >
    >
    > For more information about this group, please visit
    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota
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    Group: pota Message: 29899 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Secret Christmas names!
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    Taylor can be the ghost of Christmas past. Elaine
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    Group: pota Message: 29900 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PA68 references in PA01
    .html
    .html There was also those odd looking scarecrows. Elaine<.html
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    Group: pota Message: 29901 From: ape_mom Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
    .html
    I see what you mean! I used to subscribe to this sort of a timeline
    theory. But then I realized that eventually I might lose Cornelius
    and Zira altogether, as they may spin off and then never exist at
    all. Since I couldn't bear the grief, I decided the timeline must
    certainly be circular in some way! The TV Series and the cartoons
    must be alternate universe(s?).

    Well, that is what works for me, anyway.

    --Helen




    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
    > > I have seen a timeline theory that manages to fit Return in, but
    > you have to subscribe to the 'alternate' school of thought rather
    > than the 'circular' school>> Greg P.
    >
    > The Return series is also consistent with the Cyclical theory. The
    > Circular theory requires that events keep repeating themselves.
    The
    > Cyclical theory is similar to both the Alternate and Circular
    > theories, in that events keep playing out in a similar fashion
    > (cycle of evolved apes, time travel, ape city, bomb, etc.), but
    that
    > they play out differently each time. E.g. a John Brent appears in
    > one time cycle at a certain date, but a Ronald Brent turns up at
    > another date in another cycle. This is my preferred take on
    things,
    > and it allows me to deal better with all of the discrepancies.
    >
    > Menluth.
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    Group: pota Message: 29902 From: ape_mom Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Re: Poll results for pota
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    I thought Taylor was the only one to display adequate hygiene. ;)




    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Wow Nova came in first. I guess there was no consideration of
    table
    > manners or ability to use utensils ;-) Zira was second and
    Cornelius
    > & Galen tied for third (but how would you which one had asked to
    > pass the gravy?). Aldo, Gov. Breck and the Mutants got no votes.
    I'm
    > not surprized. We had a Mutant for dinner one year and he kept on
    > creating illusions that the turkey was still alive. Very
    disturbing.
    >
    > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
    > >
    > > The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
    > > final results:
    > >
    > >
    > > POLL QUESTION: What POTA characters would you invite
    > > to your home for the holidays? (Vote
    > > for as many as you like.)
    > >
    > > CHOICES AND RESULTS
    > > - Taylor, 4 votes, 4.08%
    > > - Cornelius, 8 votes, 8.16%
    > > - Zira , 9 votes, 9.18%
    > > - Nova, 10 votes, 10.20%
    > > - Dr. Zaius, 5 votes, 5.10%
    > > - Brent, 1 votes, 1.02%
    > > - Ursus, 2 votes, 2.04%
    > > - Mendez or any of the Mutants, 0 votes, 0.00%
    > > - Dr. Milo, 4 votes, 4.08%
    > > - Dr. Hasslien, 1 votes, 1.02%
    > > - Armando, 6 votes, 6.12%
    > > - Caesar, 7 votes, 7.14%
    > > - Gov. Breck, 0 votes, 0.00%
    > > - McDonald, 4 votes, 4.08%
    > > - Lisa, 6 votes, 6.12%
    > > - Aldo, 0 votes, 0.00%
    > > - Virgil, 3 votes, 3.06%
    > > - Galen, 8 votes, 8.16%
    > > - Burke, 5 votes, 5.10%
    > > - Virdon, 4 votes, 4.08%
    > > - Urko, 2 votes, 2.04%
    > > - Leo, 1 votes, 1.02%
    > > - Ari, 3 votes, 3.06%
    > > - Thade, 2 votes, 2.04%
    > > - Daena, 3 votes, 3.06%
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > For more information about this group, please visit
    > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota
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    Group: pota Message: 29903 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] PA68 references in PA01
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    .html I like the way some of the dialog from the original was spoken by apes. I believe Attar says "Get Your dirty hands off of me(something like that). Elaine<.html
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    Group: pota Message: 29904 From: jose ramon Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: looking for a pic
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    Thanks James, now everything is OK.

     

    Ape rule in Spain too.

    JR

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    Group: pota Message: 29905 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite POTA collectibles
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    > It's hard for me to pick my favorite collectible. I feel like I'm
    > discriminating, so that I've only bought the stuff I really, really
    > like. So for me, it's kinda everything I have.

    Same here, pretty much.

    > I guess if you threatened me with "dissection and death (in that
    > order)", then I'd have to say the Mego figures. They were the overall
    > most fun as a kid. Hours of potential fun there.

    My Megos, too. Although I am partial to my round trash can. I had
    wanted one of those when I was kid, but never got one. When I was in
    my 30s, I found one in an antique store, but it was in really bad
    shape, and they wanted $40 for it. I couldn't see paying that a can
    in such poor condition, so I passed on it. When I later decided that,
    yeah, I still wanted it, it was gone.

    Then along came eBay. Back when eBay was new, I found a nearly-new
    condition round Apes trash can. I decided that I was going to win
    that auction, no matter what it cost. I ended up getting the can for
    something like $60, and it's my most-treasured collectible, after the
    Megos.

    Hunter
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    Group: pota Message: 29906 From: ron kenner Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PA68 references in PA01
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    maybe of interest is discussion of the major differences.
    for example, class structure based on gorilla/chimp/orangutan was a lot different in remake

    taebokitti@... wrote:
    There was also those odd looking scarecrows. Elaine

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    Group: pota Message: 29907 From: ron kenner Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Cartoons...
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    well, regardless to whatever theory we may each subscribe to, one thing is definite: in the future apes will rule the planet :)

    ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:


    I see what you mean!  I used to subscribe to this sort of a timeline
    theory.  But then I realized that eventually I might lose Cornelius
    and Zira altogether, as they may spin off and then never exist at
    all. Since I couldn't bear the grief, I decided the timeline must
    certainly be circular in some way!  The TV Series and the cartoons
    must be alternate universe(s?). 

    Well, that is what works for me, anyway.

    --Helen




    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
    > > I have seen a timeline theory that manages to fit Return in, but
    > you have to subscribe to the 'alternate' school of thought rather
    > than the 'circular' school>> Greg P.
    >
    > The Return series is also consistent with the Cyclical theory. The
    > Circular theory requires that events keep repeating themselves.
    The
    > Cyclical theory is similar to both the Alternate and Circular
    > theories, in that events keep playing out in a similar fashion
    > (cycle of evolved apes, time travel, ape city, bomb, etc.), but
    that
    > they play out differently each time. E.g. a John Brent appears in
    > one time cycle at a certain date, but a Ronald Brent turns up at
    > another date in another cycle. This is my preferred take on
    things,
    > and it allows me to deal better with all of the discrepancies.
    >
    > Menluth.








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    Group: pota Message: 29908 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite POTA collectibles
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    This is a good idea for a thread, particularly given the time of year it is. My General Urko Mego is one of my all-time favorite Christmas presents from when I was a kid, and certainly ranks high on my list of favorite POTA collectibles. But if push came to shove I'd probably have to pick my set of the TV cards as my absolute favorite POTA collectible. Those were the first trading cards I'd ever collected. My best friend at the time was collecting them, too, so we did lots of trading. And I particularly remember when I bought the pack that finally had the last card I needed to complete my set (it was card number 1).
     
    Greg P.

    Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

    > It's hard for me to pick my favorite collectible. I feel like I'm
    > discriminating, so that I've only bought the stuff I really, really
    > like. So for me, it's kinda everything I have.

    Same here, pretty much.

    > I guess if you threatened me with "dissection and death (in that
    > order)", then I'd have to say the Mego figures. They were the overall
    > most fun as a kid. Hours of potential fun there.

    My Megos, too.  Although I am partial to my round trash can.  I had
    wanted one of those when I was kid, but never got one.  When I was in
    my 30s, I found one in an antique store, but it was in really bad
    shape, and they wanted $40 for it.  I couldn't see paying that a can
    in such poor condition, so I passed on it.  When I later decided that,
    yeah, I still wanted it, it was gone.

    Then along came eBay.  Back when eBay was new, I found a nearly-new
    condition round Apes trash can.  I decided that I was going to win
    that auction, no matter what it cost.  I ended up getting the can for
    something like $60, and it's my most-treasured collectible, after the
    Megos.

    Hunter
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    Group: pota Message: 29909 From: protozaius Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite POTA collectibles
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    All this talk about favorite "Ape" stuff has made me sit down and
    post pictures of some of my favorite Ape stuff (check "Photos" under
    Protozaius Collection). My VERY favorite item is the original,
    signed Morton Haack concept drawing of a chimp. It was even seen in
    the vintage documentary of the making of the original Ape film... as
    seen on the "Behind the Planet of the Apes" DVD.

    Also several years ago. I got started into collecting 12" first shots
    and have a wide collection of "Star Wars" and "Ape" figures.

    But.. still, all those Megos do have a strong sentimental appeal....
    ANd I too still have that Ape Trash can. My mom bought it for me as
    part of the back-to-school materials bought that year.

    Michael







    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
    > This is a good idea for a thread, particularly given the time of
    year it is. My General Urko Mego is one of my all-time favorite
    Christmas presents from when I was a kid, and certainly ranks high on
    my list of favorite POTA collectibles. But if push came to shove I'd
    probably have to pick my set of the TV cards as my absolute favorite
    POTA collectible. Those were the first trading cards I'd ever
    collected. My best friend at the time was collecting them, too, so we
    did lots of trading. And I particularly remember when I bought the
    pack that finally had the last card I needed to complete my set (it
    was card number 1).
    >
    > Greg P.
    >
    > Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
    >
    > > It's hard for me to pick my favorite collectible. I feel like I'm
    > > discriminating, so that I've only bought the stuff I really,
    really
    > > like. So for me, it's kinda everything I have.
    >
    > Same here, pretty much.
    >
    > > I guess if you threatened me with "dissection and death (in that
    > > order)", then I'd have to say the Mego figures. They were the
    overall
    > > most fun as a kid. Hours of potential fun there.
    >
    > My Megos, too. Although I am partial to my round trash can. I had
    > wanted one of those when I was kid, but never got one. When I was
    in
    > my 30s, I found one in an antique store, but it was in really bad
    > shape, and they wanted $40 for it. I couldn't see paying that a can
    > in such poor condition, so I passed on it. When I later decided
    that,
    > yeah, I still wanted it, it was gone.
    >
    > Then along came eBay. Back when eBay was new, I found a nearly-new
    > condition round Apes trash can. I decided that I was going to win
    > that auction, no matter what it cost. I ended up getting the can
    for
    > something like $60, and it's my most-treasured collectible, after
    the
    > Megos.
    >
    > Hunter
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    Group: pota Message: 29910 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
    Subject: Fwd: Holiday greetings from Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment
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      Group: pota Message: 29911 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
      Subject: Re: Favorite POTA collectibles
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      .html.htmlMy favorite POTA collectible has to be the first thing I ever collected -- when they were brand new! -- the Topps bubble gum cards from the original.

      The second thing I collected was the Goldsmith LP.

      -- Rory
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      Group: pota Message: 29912 From: HollowedOut Date: 12/15/2004
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite POTA collectibles
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      WOW! Hunter and I have the same favorite item! I had this can as a kid which was bought at Gemco... it was battered to hell and back with it's death blow being a rotten egg thrown in. About twenty five years later and with a little eBay help I won the sacred can and the smaller oval shaped can which was misspelled in the heading and I won them both for twenty bucks! The coolest cans ever and both looking minty for 30 years!! My Mego's (have the entire Apes line of figs and playsets) is second with the Medicom and busts a far third. I love the new toon DVD's right now... I've watched them all about five times in the last week making my wife a little irked but what the hey!
       
      -Chris

      Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:
      This is a good idea for a thread, particularly given the time of year it is. My General Urko Mego is one of my all-time favorite Christmas presents from when I was a kid, and certainly ranks high on my list of favorite POTA collectibles. But if push came to shove I'd probably have to pick my set of the TV cards as my absolute favorite POTA collectible. Those were the first trading cards I'd ever collected. My best friend at the time was collecting them, too, so we did lots of trading. And I particularly remember when I bought the pack that finally had the last card I needed to complete my set (it was card number 1).
       
      Greg P.

      Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

      > It's hard for me to pick my favorite collectible. I feel like I'm
      > discriminating, so that I've only bought the stuff I really, really
      > like. So for me, it's kinda everything I have.

      Same here, pretty much.

      > I guess if you threatened me with "dissection and death (in that
      > order)", then I'd have to say the Mego figures. They were the overall
      > most fun as a kid. Hours of potential fun there.

      My Megos, too.  Although I am partial to my round trash can.  I had
      wanted one of those when I was kid, but never got one.  When I was in
      my 30s, I found one in an antique store, but it was in really bad
      shape, and they wanted $40 for it.  I couldn't see paying that a can
      in such poor condition, so I passed on it.  When I later decided that,
      yeah, I still wanted it, it was gone.

      Then along came eBay.  Back when eBay was new, I found a nearly-new
      condition round Apes trash can.  I decided that I was going to win
      that auction, no matter what it cost.  I ended up getting the can for
      something like $60, and it's my most-treasured collectible, after the
      Megos.

      Hunter


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      Group: pota Message: 29913 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Favorite POTA collectibles
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      My favorite and my most valued POTA collectable is the autographed picture of Kim Hunter as Dr.Zira and my large collection of POTA movie stills.
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      Group: pota Message: 29914 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/15/2004
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] PA68 references in PA01
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      .html.htmlIn a message dated 12/15/2004 11:33:03 AM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

      I like the way some of the dialog from the original was spoken by apes. I believe Attar says "Get Your dirty hands off of me(something like that).


      That right  there is a big reason I will NEVER watch that movie... Stuff like that was just a cheap attempt at humor, and their way of saying "We're paying tribute to it", when in reality, they bastardized it...
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      Group: pota Message: 29915 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/16/2004
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PA68 references in PA01
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      .html The class structure of the original is quite clear, gorillas are soldiers, chimps are intellectuals and orangs are leaders. in pota 2001 we have gorillas and chimp soldiers and orangutan who we could say is a businessape(Limbo). Elaine<.html
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      Group: pota Message: 29916 From: Hoknes Date: 12/16/2004
      Subject: Favorite POTA collectibles
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      well if everybody didnt already know I love my POTA marvel magazines and comics
       
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      Group: pota Message: 29917 From: Dave B Date: 12/16/2004
      Subject: Re: Favorite POTA collectibles
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      Probably my 'Ape Conqueror' (Ursus on horseback) resin kit by Sean Nagle.

      My Marvel collection, my LTD edition print and the DVD's. The discs
      themselves may be easily replaceable but the content is why we're all here.

      Dave B
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      Group: pota Message: 29918 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 12/16/2004
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite POTA collectibles
      .html
      > with a little eBay help I won the sacred can and the smaller
      > oval shaped can which was misspelled in the heading and I won
      > them both for twenty bucks!

      Wow! That's great. I got into a bidding war with someone in the last
      five minutes, but I was determined to get it, no matter what it cost.
      ;-)

      > My Mego's (have the entire Apes line of figs and playsets)

      That's very cool. I have a Cornelius, a Zira, a Galen, and a soldier
      ape who's missing most of his stuff. All of those I bought via eBay.
      My sad story is that I had quite a few of the Megos (nothing like all
      of them, but more than I have now) as a kid, and I kept them at my
      dad's, where I played with them and with my step-brother's Megos when
      I visited. When I stopped visiting (long story) when I was 12, I
      never was able to go back to get my stuff, and consequently lost all
      my Apes and a bunch of GI Joe stuff, too. So, again, when eBay came
      along, I was ecstatic to find people selling Megos and decided I had
      to get a Mego Cornelius and Mego Zira, at least. I don't play with
      them now ;-), but it does give me warm fuzzies to look at 'em on the
      shelf in front of me.

      Hunter
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      Group: pota Message: 29919 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 12/16/2004
      Subject: Marvel UK #9 is available
      .html
      Thanks to Greg P., Marvel UK issue 9 is now available (a day early).

      http://www.goatley.com/pota/

      Note: the system hosting my web site is having some hardware problems.
      It's due to be replaced sometime between Christmas and New Year's,
      hopefully. I'll be on vacation during that time, so it's possible
      that my Apes page will be inaccessible for a while during the holidays.
      But it will be back....

      Hunter
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      Group: pota Message: 29920 From: Ray Date: 12/16/2004
      Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: New member
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      Tim,

      I believe Norman Mingo did the Mad cover with a gap toothed Chimp
      pulling off an Alfred E. Neuman mask.

      Yes, I still have my original artwork for the Mad parody of the '01
      POTA. Around the time I did it, I went to a toy/sci-fi show and Linda
      Harrison was there. I wished I had the artwork with me. I'd have
      asked her to sign it for me. (I put her in one of the panels).

      I was still excited to meet her and get a picture with her.

      "Look at that, I've taught her to smile"

      -Ray


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
      >
      > -Those are great...love that last Zira pic! Welcome
      > Ray! Can you tell us who did the classic Mad apes
      > cover? and do you still have the original of your
      > work?
      >
      > Tim
      >
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 29921 From: ron kenner Date: 12/16/2004
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: New member who met nova
      .html
      ray-
      please tell more about meeting linda harrison.
      i met her, too, and it was quite an experience, although she did not try to hug me.
      although meeting don pedro colley was pretty great.
      btw, did i tell everyone that i recently met felix silla? he was very nice.
      rob/ron

      Ray <ursus3978@...> wrote:


      Tim,

      I believe Norman Mingo did the Mad cover with a gap toothed Chimp
      pulling off an Alfred E. Neuman mask.

      Yes, I still have my original artwork for the Mad parody of the '01
      POTA. Around the time I did it, I went to a toy/sci-fi show and Linda
      Harrison was there. I wished I had the artwork with me. I'd have
      asked her to sign it for me. (I put her in one of the panels).

      I was still excited to meet her and get a picture with her.

      "Look at that, I've taught her to smile"

      -Ray




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      Group: pota Message: 29922 From: John O. Date: 12/16/2004
      Subject: Re: Favorite POTA collectibles
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      I remember getting the Mego treehouse and Zaius (still have them) for
      Christmas (1975?), but my favorite would probably be the regular Mego
      ape soldier. We moved to a small town in the summer of '76 where
      they didn't have a great selection, and I never even saw an Ursus or
      Urko until the internet came around. The TV trading cards were
      great, too, and I even picked up the 'not too badly damaged' ones
      that my neighbor shot with his b-b gun... since by then we were out
      in the sticks of a small town and it doesn't seem like we got to go
      into town for shopping much. Never had the full set, not sure where
      they are now. Hopefully in a box somewhere.

      John O.


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
      > This is a good idea for a thread, particularly given the time of
      year it is. My General Urko Mego is one of my all-time favorite
      Christmas presents from when I was a kid, and certainly ranks high on
      my list of favorite POTA collectibles. But if push came to shove I'd
      probably have to pick my set of the TV cards as my absolute favorite
      POTA collectible. Those were the first trading cards I'd ever
      collected. My best friend at the time was collecting them, too, so we
      did lots of trading. And I particularly remember when I bought the
      pack that finally had the last card I needed to complete my set (it
      was card number 1).
      >
      > Greg P.
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      Group: pota Message: 29923 From: ron kenner Date: 12/16/2004
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Favorite POTA collectibles
      .html
      so was the tree-house playset the most coveted item when you were child?
      kind of like the star wars death star set a few years later?

      "John O." <jspy6688@...> wrote:


      I remember getting the Mego treehouse and Zaius (still have them) for
      Christmas (1975?), but my favorite would probably be the regular Mego
      ape soldier.  We moved to a small town in the summer of '76 where
      they didn't have a great selection, and I never even saw an Ursus or
      Urko until the internet came around.  The TV trading cards were
      great, too, and I even picked up the 'not too badly damaged' ones
      that my neighbor shot with his b-b gun... since by then we were out
      in the sticks of a small town and it doesn't seem like we got to go
      into town for shopping much.  Never had the full set, not sure where
      they are now.  Hopefully in a box somewhere.

      John O.


      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
      > This is a good idea for a thread, particularly given the time of
      year it is. My General Urko Mego is one of my all-time favorite
      Christmas presents from when I was a kid, and certainly ranks high on
      my list of favorite POTA collectibles. But if push came to shove I'd
      probably have to pick my set of the TV cards as my absolute favorite
      POTA collectible. Those were the first trading cards I'd ever
      collected. My best friend at the time was collecting them, too, so we
      did lots of trading. And I particularly remember when I bought the
      pack that finally had the last card I needed to complete my set (it
      was card number 1).

      > Greg P.









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      Group: pota Message: 29924 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 12/16/2004
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Favorite POTA collectibles
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      > And I particularly remember when I bought the
      > pack that finally had the last card I needed to complete my set (it
      > was card number 1).

      Card 9 was the rare one in my hometown. I did finally trade for one,
      but I think it was months after I started collecting them that I
      finally got that one.

      And like Elaine, I first saw my first Apes movie, CONQUEST, at the
      drive-in. I *think* it was a double bill of FROGS and CONQUEST.

      Hunter
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