--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:

>
> Do we think the 5 movies are really in a circular timeline?

I do because I firmly believe that was the intention of the filmmakers. Paul Dehn who wrote or co-wrote the first three sequels and did the final rewrite on BATTLE is quoted several times that it is meant to be a big circle. Also, if the events of ESCAPE were meant to create a new timeline that was different from the timeline of PLANET & BENEATH, I feel there would have been at least one line of dialogue to directly state as much over the course of the final three films. However, the opposite seems true. Hasslein in ESCAPE (and later Breck in CONQUEST and even Caesar in BATTLE) believe history is on a course to the events in PLANET & BENEATH and that they must take action to 'change lanes' so that history changes and a new timeline created.

> i would believe movies #3 4 5 are affected by the knowledge by #1

and #2

> but because of this a new timeline starts and therefore #1 and #2

will never

> take place after #5 the way we originally saw them
>
>

I think that BATTLE can be seen as the 'fork in the road'. If ape and man can continue down the road of peace that Caesar started them on, then the events of then the events of PLANET & BENEATH won't happen. But if they cannot, then they will ultimately destroy the world. A kind of 'morality tale' to end the series.

There are many discrepancies and contridictions in the Apes films. Which is probably more due to the nature in which the film were made. The filmmakers thinking each film would be the last. Also, they were made at a time before Home Video, so they couldn't envision fans pouring over every detail for 30 years.

The alternate timeline theory is an imaginative way to address those discrepencies, but it is not the definitive one. There are many others that are just as valid. In the end (and I'm paraphasing Jeff Krueger here) it is up to every fan to accept which version or theory make him or her happy.

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In a message dated 12/22/2004 12:05:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Our Taylor was actually pretty dramatic -- pounding the sand around
the statue -- but he kept it a little low key so as not to scare the
kiddos.

 

Aww...Now THAT would have been funny.

"Mommy, the astronaut said a bad word."

 

 

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That group has been around for a while now. I've even tried to join
it several times. It seems the owner created it and then walked away.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> http://groups.msn.com/PlanetoftheApes-ForAll

If there's room, and it's not too much more work, you might as well
leave them in there. Bootleg video of what?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
>
>
>
> hi-
>
> i am in process of converting my bootleg video to DVD...
>
> in the process i found a beneath trailer. is this a rarity?
>
> also, i found mego apes commercials and pota test footage.
>
> are these desirable, or are they something that everyone has
already seen?
>
> rob/ron
>
>
>
> go vegetarian!
>
>
> ---------------------------------

Hey Ron,

Check out the Videos section of the Group Website. Compare what we
have there to what is on your tape.

When you convert it to DVD, you may want to send a copy to Hunter.
He's putting together a rareties DVD and may want to include some of
what you have.

Thanks.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
>
>
> hi-
>
> i am in process of converting my bootleg video to DVD...
>
> in the process i found a beneath trailer. is this a rarity?
>
> also, i found mego apes commercials and pota test footage.
>
> are these desirable, or are they something that everyone has
already seen?
>
> rob/ron
>
>
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/22/2004 1:06:55 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Hasslein in ESCAPE (and later Breck in CONQUEST and even Caesar in BATTLE) believe history is on a course to the events in PLANET &BENEATH and that they must take action to 'change lanes' so that history changes and a new timeline created.

And by "changing lanes" as you stated here, then they did create a new timeline... The circle doesn't come to be... It may be a circle in the sense that Apes took over and all that, but can you really say that you think the events would happen just as they did the first time around? I wouldn't... There are/were too many variables to say that everything will play out the same and end in the same destruction of Earth...

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I just got verified to join as a member
so somebody must be looking after it !?!?

> That group has been around for a while now. I've even tried to join
> it several times. It seems the owner created it and then walked away.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
>> http://groups.msn.com/PlanetoftheApes-ForAll
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:

> >
>
> And by "changing lanes" as you stated here, then they did create a

new

> timeline... The circle doesn't come to be... It may be a circle in

the sense that

> Apes took over and all that, but can you really say that you think

the events

> would happen just as they did the first time around? I wouldn't...

There

> are/were too many variables to say that everything will play out

the same and end in

> the same destruction of Earth...

I said they tried to 'change lanes' it is uncertain if they were
successful or not. That question was never definitively answered by
the filmmakers. However, Dehn stated the tear on Caesar's statue at
the end of BATTLE as an indication that his efforts ultimately
failed. But then again it is all up to the individuals interpetation.

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In a message dated 12/22/2004 2:23:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

The line of dialogue from the script goes as follows:

CORNELIUS
At first they barked their refusal.
And then, on a historic day comemorated
by my species and fully documented in
the secret scrolls, there came an Ape
called Aldo, who didn't bark. He
articulated. He spoke a word which
had been spoken to him, time without
number, by Humans. He said 'No'.

The line itself has an inherent contradiction. How could the event
be fully commemorated by the Apes if it is documented in 'Secret
Scrolls'. If everyone knows about it then the scroll can't be a
secret. In the film the line is changed to the Sacred Scrolls. I
guess they noticed the contradiction too.

However, the whole thing can be resolved by looking at the facts
presented and making some assumptions.

First, we know from the first film that the Ape populace knows
nothing about man once ruling over the earth. This is know only to
higher ups like Dr. Zaius who keep it a well guarded secret.

Second, There are history scrolls kept secret from the masses.
Cornelius states that in ESCAPE. (This is totally consistant with
the first point.) In these scrolls the knowledge of man's
civilization and the story of Aldo are documented.

Third, at some point between the end of PLANET and the beginning of
ESCAPE, Cornelius, and possibly Zira too, were given access to these
secret history scrolls. (This is not inconsistant with either of the
first two points.)

Fourth, the Apes commemorated the date Aldo said no. Now this is
inconsistant with the earlier points.

Now here's where you have to make an assumption. The Ape rulers
while wanting to keep the secret yet still commemorate the day built
a mythology around Aldo that was presented to the masses. Like an
Adam figure, he's the first ape to speak. What he said and whom he
said it to would be kept secret but he would still be seen
historically as the first Ape.

That makes sense. Seems like the oruangs spent their whole life making up lies and keeping secrets they learned  from the masses.

Bruce

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:

>
> Do we think the 5 movies are really in a circular timeline?
> i would believe movies #3 4 5 are affected by the knowledge by #1

and #2 but because of this a new timeline starts and therefore #1
and #2 will never take place after #5 the way we originally saw them

>

Ho Terry!
I agree with you on this point. I refer to it as a "cyclical" rather
than circular timeline. Similar cycles of events keep taking place,
but not necessarily in exactly the same way each time.
Menluth.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/22/2004 4:12:39 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I said they tried to 'change lanes' it is uncertain if they were
successful or not. That question was never definitively answered by
the filmmakers. However, Dehn stated the tear on Caesar's statue at
the end of BATTLE as an indication that his efforts ultimately
failed.

I'd guess they were successful though... I mean look at BATTLE's contents... An ape called The Lawgiver who is setting with Humans, treating them as equals rather than writing Scrolls that would tell of apes "bringing the upright beast into the garden and chaining him to a tree" and calling Humanity "the harbinger of death"... That new Lawgiver is not a human hating one as the original Lawgiver is/was... That alone should give an indication to the fact that it is a new timeline altogether. At about the same time in the original timeline, humans would have been "pets" to the apes, while in Caesar's timeline, the species are coexisting peacefully... That is not to say that a lot further down the line interspecies turmoil won't erupt, but at least for some time the two existed as equals...

And, I am wondering, where exactly did you see the quote from Dehn, where you said that he "stated the tear on Caesar's statue at the end of BATTLE as an indication that his efforts ultimately failed." Was it in a magazine, a book, or what?

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> Fourth, the Apes commemorated the date Aldo said no. Now this is
> inconsistant with the earlier points. Now here's where you have to

make an assumption. The Ape rulers while wanting to keep the secret
yet still commemorate the day built a mythology around Aldo that was
presented to the masses. Like an Adam figure, he's the first ape to
speak. What he said and whom he said it to would be kept secret but
he would still be seen historically as the first Ape.

>

Ho, James!
It seems reasonable, and likely the only way to address the
discrepancy between what we know (most apes no nothing about the
human past) and what Cornelius says, that apes commemorate the date
Aldo said no. Who would he have been saying no to? It would raise
too many questions for the apes. They would either, as you suggest,
be commemorating Aldo as some kind of first ape, like Semos, or as
the first ape to speak a word. I had forgotten about "Aldo Day" when
I asked this question. I wonder what this day would have been called
in Ape City?
Menluth.

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In a message dated 12/22/2004 9:21:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Maybe it's like Christmas!  Jesus was really born

in mid September.  It's the pagan holiday the was

calibrated the end of December. They were merged

in order to make Christianity more acceptable and

convert more people.  Many of the traditions were

not originally Christian at all but were incorporated

into the holiday over time, their origins forgotten.

 

Yeah I think a parallel can be seen between the ourangs the "Keepers of the Faith" and certain aspects of the jobs of the clergy of the early Christian Church...

 

Bruce 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/22/2004 5:36:22 PM Central Standard Time, menluth@... writes:

Cornelius says, that apes commemorate the date
Aldo said no. Who would he have been saying no to? It would raise
too many questions for the apes.

Cornelius does say that Apes were slaves to Man for about 500 years... The Scrolls that he is speaking of tell the story of that, and the "No" Aldo spoke was in defiance to Humans... "He spoke a word which had been spoke to him time without number by humans... He said... 'No'..."

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I like "Aldo Day". Maybe they even had "Aldo Day" sales at all the stores;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
>
> Ho, James!
> It seems reasonable, and likely the only way to address the
> discrepancy between what we know (most apes no nothing about the
> human past) and what Cornelius says, that apes commemorate the
date
> Aldo said no. Who would he have been saying no to? It would raise
> too many questions for the apes. They would either, as you
suggest,
> be commemorating Aldo as some kind of first ape, like Semos, or as
> the first ape to speak a word. I had forgotten about "Aldo Day"
when
> I asked this question. I wonder what this day would have been
called
> in Ape City?
> Menluth.

One thing I like about the cyclical theory is that in can encompass
all the different versions of POTA. The original novel in one cycle,
the films in another cycle, the Cartoon in a different cycle and
even the 2001 remake in fourth cycle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
>
> Ho Terry!
> I agree with you on this point. I refer to it as a "cyclical"
rather
> than circular timeline. Similar cycles of events keep taking
place,
> but not necessarily in exactly the same way each time.
> Menluth.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:

>
> I'd guess they were successful though... I mean look at BATTLE's

contents...

> An ape called The Lawgiver who is setting with Humans, treating

them as equals

> rather than writing Scrolls that would tell of apes "bringing the

upright

> beast into the garden and chaining him to a tree" and calling

Humanity "the

> harbinger of death"... That new Lawgiver is not a human hating one

as the original

> Lawgiver is/was... That alone should give an indication to the

fact that it is

> a new timeline altogether. At about the same time in the original

timeline,

> humans would have been "pets" to the apes, while in Caesar's

timeline, the

> species are coexisting peacefully...
>

Good point but we never see the Lawgiver refered to in PLANET &
BENEATH. All we know of his is from a few selected quotes of the
Sacred Scrolls. We don't know if it is even the same Lawgiver. Even
assuming that it is, the Lawgiver in Battle still talks of "Evil men
who betrayed God's trust". Now of course he was talking about humans
from centuries earlier. Not the humans that were currently living at
peace with the apes. So then it is possible that later generations
of apes only focused on the negative references to humans made by
the Lawgiver. This is something that happens with religious and
historical texts very often.

> That is not to say that a lot further down
> the line interspecies turmoil won't erupt, but at least for some

time the two

> existed as equals...

True again, and it could have changed the Lawgiver's attitude or
gave rise to a more human hating Ape as Lawgiver. But you can argue
the inconsistancies back and forth all day. In the end, its up to
each of us to decide with interpetation and which explanation for
the discrepencies we like best.

>
> And, I am wondering, where exactly did you see the quote from

Dehn, where you

> said that he "stated the tear on Caesar's statue at the end of

BATTLE as an

> indication that his efforts ultimately failed." Was it in a

magazine, a book,

> or what?

Dehn's comment is at the bottom of page 211 of Russo's book, POTA
Revisited. The exact quote is as follows:
"I have given a lot of thought to a possible new end to the
picture,' he told Jacobs, 'but have come up with nothing-chiefly
because I am more than ever convince that the present end is the
right one for the last of the series. For the series to be linked
consecutively in the form of a 'saga' (or even an epic!) we need to
know that Caesar's good intentions failed-and the tear is both a
necessary and moving forcast of Earth's destruction in BENEATH.
Naturally, if anyone should come up with a better idea for conveying
this sense of Earth's final doom, I should be grateful for the
opportunity of seeing and working on it."

I'm the owner... I didn't walk away. Nothing was ever sent to me. Terry
Hoknes was the first one. It's only been around for about 3 months...

From: Hoknes <terryhoknes@...>
Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PLANET OF THE APES - MSN GROUP
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:33:40 -0600


I just got verified to join as a member
so somebody must be looking after it !?!?

> That group has been around for a while now. I've even tried to join
> it several times. It seems the owner created it and then walked away.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
>> http://groups.msn.com/PlanetoftheApes-ForAll
>
>

_____

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Estella Warren's Birthday� �

Date: Thursday, December 23, 2004
Time: All Day

Thank you God!

well cool
its good to know who the owner is
i'm surprised that yahoo has all the action !?!?

> I'm the owner... I didn't walk away. Nothing was ever sent to me. Terry
> Hoknes was the first one. It's only been around for about 3 months...
>
> From: Hoknes <terryhoknes@...>
> Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PLANET OF THE APES - MSN GROUP
> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:33:40 -0600
>
>
> I just got verified to join as a member
> so somebody must be looking after it !?!?
>
> > That group has been around for a while now. I've even tried to join
> > it several times. It seems the owner created it and then walked away.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> >> http://groups.msn.com/PlanetoftheApes-ForAll
> >
> >
>
> _____

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In a message dated 12/22/2004 5:18:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Third, at some point between the end of PLANET and the beginning of
ESCAPE, Cornelius, and possibly Zira too, were given access to these
secret history scrolls. (This is not inconsistant with either of the
first two points.)

 

This is the most likely possibility.  The incident at the cave seemed to make Z&C closer to Dr. Zaius.  They were probably put through a kangaroo heresy trial and given a suspended sentence provided they mind their P's & Q's.  Zaius undoubtedly took them into his confidence whether or not they were taken into the Orang's inner circle since they already knew the "Terrible Secret" anyway.  He did say the future was theirs to preserve or destroy.  Little did he know how right he was.  They did preserve the future.  But he himself destroyed it.  Or at least had a hand in it, by pissing Taylor off.  NEVER DO THAT! -- even if you think he's down for the count!  He just might have a Doomsday Bomb handy. 

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OH PLEASE DO LEAVE THEM! I have ONLY the one that came on the 35th
Anniver. Edition DVD So I'd love to go back to the Happiest time of
my Childhood!

JOHN/LONFAN
Happiest of Holidays

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Very good points T. They make a lot of sense. I always thought that
Zaius showed C&Z the secret scrolls to buy their silence about the
cave.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> This is the most likely possibility. The incident at the cave
seemed to
> make Z&C closer to Dr. Zaius. They were probably put through a
kangaroo heresy
> trial and given a suspended sentence provided they mind their P's
& Q's.
> Zaius undoubtedly took them into his confidence whether or not
they were taken
> into the Orang's inner circle since they already knew
the "Terrible Secret"
> anyway. He did say the future was theirs to preserve or
destroy. Little did
> he know how right he was. They did preserve the future. But he
himself
> destroyed it. Or at least had a hand in it, by pissing Taylor
off. NEVER DO
> THAT! -- even if you think he's down for the count! He just
might have a
> Doomsday Bomb handy.

Can you check my status on this site? I'm not receiving any more
emails from any of my Yahoo sites.
Bruce

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My emails are not coming thru to me... Testing to see if this one
goes thru...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

>
> One thing I like about the cyclical theory is that in can encompass
> all the different versions of POTA. The original novel in one

cycle,

> the films in another cycle, the Cartoon in a different cycle and
> even the 2001 remake in fourth cycle.

While I see what you're saying as far as your liking the cyclical
theory, you really cannot ever include the Boulle book or pota2001...
After all, the APES films, TV series, and RETURN all take place on a
future Earth, where the other two are on totally "alien" planets...

It seems Yahoo has been having some problems since yesterday.
Messages are taking hours to go through. Hopefully, Yahoo will fix
the problem today.

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In a message dated 12/24/2004 4:08:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

My emails are not coming thru to me... Testing to see if this one
goes thru...

Well, I got it...but the same thing was happening to me thanks to Yahoo yesterday.

Bruce

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In a message dated 12/24/2004 12:00:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, terryhoknes@... writes:

I have had orders for 25 copies in total of Hunter Goatley's new cartoons on DVD set

I am mailing them all out on Dec 24th

Have a great xmas!

 

These links don't work.

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What Mego Ads, where?

Link please!

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/24/04 9:21:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, branchbrood93@... writes:

OH PLEASE DO LEAVE THEM! I have ONLY the one that came on the 35th
Anniver. Edition DVD So I'd love to go back to the Happiest time of
my Childhood!

JOHN/LONFAN
Happiest of Holidays

The happiest time of your childhood was watching MEGO POTA commercials?

When the original movie came out in 1968 there were no toys or games.  I was just eight years old and had to settle for the commercials for the movie.  I did have my "Man from U.N.C.L.E." figures and Marx figures and of course G.I. Joe.

Now I look at these 12" figures from Sideshow and the little Medicoms and really all I can say is -- WHERE WERE YOU IN '68?!!!

-- Rory<.html <.html

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In a message dated 12/24/2004 5:58:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Can you check my status on this site? I'm not receiving any more
emails from any of my Yahoo sites.
Bruce

I sent this 24 hours ago. Now I'm OK.

Bruce 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/24/04 1:56:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Very good points T. They make a lot of sense. I always thought that
Zaius showed C&Z the secret scrolls to buy their silence about the
cave.

I could never buy that Zaius would do such a thing.  In BENEATH Cornelius and Zira should have been in prison for heresy.  Brent should have been helped by Lucius and his chimpanzee underground of war protesters.  That at least would have made the Ape City parts of BENEATH different from what happened in PLANET, but they blew it and we have the BENEATH we have.

-- Rory<.html <.html

Go to the group Website:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm click
on "Video". The Mego ads are at the top of the Video page on the
right.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> What Mego Ads, where?
> Link please!

.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/24/04 5:58:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Can you check my status on this site? I'm not receiving any more
emails from any of my Yahoo sites.
Bruce

Yahoo was dead for about two days.

-- Rory<.html <.html

Well I'm glad it is someone we know. My apologies I didn't mean to
offend, but I tried to join a few months ago and never got a
response. I tried again yesterday and it worked.
Let us know of anything we can do to help you build the MSN Group.
The more active POTA groups there are will only help to grow fandom.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Kasey Cooper" <undomiel_06@h...> wrote:
>
> I'm the owner... I didn't walk away. Nothing was ever sent to me.
Terry
> Hoknes was the first one. It's only been around for about 3
months...
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/24/2004 11:29:46 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I could never buy that Zaius would do such a thing.  In BENEATH Cornelius and Zira should have been in prison for heresy.  Brent should have been helped by Lucius and his chimpanzee underground of war protesters.  That at least would have made the Ape City parts of BENEATH different from what happened in PLANET, but they blew it and we have the BENEATH we have.


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.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/24/2004 11:03:50 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Now I look at these 12" figures from Sideshow and the little Medicoms and really all I can say is -- WHERE WERE YOU IN '68?!!!

How do you mean this question? As in "asking" the figures why they weren't around then, or more like since you were there at the beginning, before all the merchandise and all there was was the cards and soundtrack LP, where everybody else was?<.html <.html

Thanks to Greg P., issue 10 of the Marvel UK comic is now available
for download:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter

Great drawing from Mike McColm there!

Is Simian Scrolls making this group their Yahoo! homebase?

Michael

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 9:42 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: MEGO AD's

In a message dated 12/24/2004 11:03:50 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Now I look at these 12" figures from Sideshow and the little Medicoms and really all I can say is -- WHERE WERE YOU IN '68?!!!

How do you mean this question? As in "asking" the figures why they weren't around then, or more like since you were there at the beginning, before all the merchandise and all there was was the cards and soundtrack LP, where everybody else was?

Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more...

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 11:06 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Simian Celebrations

In a message dated 12/24/04 1:56:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Very good points T. They make a lot of sense. I always thought that
Zaius showed C&Z the secret scrolls to buy their silence about the
cave.

I could never buy that Zaius would do such a thing.  In BENEATH Cornelius and Zira should have been in prison for heresy.  Brent should have been helped by Lucius and his chimpanzee underground of war protesters.  That at least would have made the Ape City parts of BENEATH different from what happened in PLANET, but they blew it and we have the BENEATH we have.

-- Rory

Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more...

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In a message dated 12/25/2004 1:32:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Yahoo was dead for about two days.

-- Rory

Rory,

 

  It's back now thank goodness. Happy holidays Rory!

Bruce

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Thanks for the concern Cougar but no need - I have actually hit a
creative peak. I have also been off work for nearly 3 months now,
which means I have had time to leisurely get it all on paper.

Rory was supposed to be writing, or co-writing a prequel to Planet
but he decided not to because he can't embrace any reason why humans
would domesticate gorillas and chimps.

I have some ideas and while Rory has a point, I think I can convince
the reader without getting too detailed or confusing. I mean if
they suspend their belief long enough to watch "talking monkeys"
without laughing, then they will easily be convinced there were
reasons for humans to throw open their doors to them! ;)

And there are plenty of "ape authors" out there - Kasey writes some
fine stuff and the DG has an entire "satellite" site filled with
great stories.

I'm actually trying to sell an idea that this generation might buy -
and somehow encapsulate the soul of the whole enigma at the same
time. Problem is we all have our own ideas of what the "soul" of
POTA is.

I actually think any attempt at resurrecting the TV Show with the
same formula that got it canned after 14 episodes of some of the
sloppiest POTA work ever (scripts, makeup, actors - you NAME it!)
would be a horrible mistake. Out of the 14 episodes, they probably
made about 10 too many - and believe it or not I love the TV Show (I
love my kids too - but where I see they have potential I don't kid
myself that they have abilty).

Anyway - I'm not burning out yet Cougar, but I would love to see
something from Rory, or you!

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:

> Why don't you start writing these ideas down so Whitty doesn't get
burned out being the new "Apes Author"? (Seriously, a lot of your
stuff makes sense... )

You will find Shane on the POTADG.

James - you remember Shane, right? He spent a lot of time in
Texas...

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> Some info I am forwarding from Kasey's msn group
>
> I was re-reading a book today that I read a couple of years before
I started to like the Planet of the Apes. It is one of my favorite
books, but I didn't realize that it had so many PotA TV series
references in it.
> For instance we have a Dr. Al Virdon. Thought it might be a
coincidence at first, but then as I read further I found a Pete
Burke. Thought that this was slightly interesting.
> If you wanna check out the book it is called The Last Guardian by
Shane Johnson. Very good book.
>
> It was published in 2000, but the man who wrote it started writing
with his friend in 1975.

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Great drawing from Mike McColm there!

Is Simian Scrolls making this group their Yahoo! homebase?

Michael

I like the Dr. Zaius Santa at the DG group too!

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/25/2004 6:36:57 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I actually think any attempt at resurrecting the TV Show with the
same formula that got it canned after 14 episodes of some of the
sloppiest POTA work ever (scripts, makeup, actors - you NAME it!)
would be a horrible mistake.

I don't know about that... I think it could work as a resurrected series, at least in comic form... Some of the TV comic stories they did in the UK Annuals were actually pretty good, artistically and storywise... The potential "is" there, it just maybe needs a different execution... As far as where you said the scripts were poor, not entirely true... To me, 7 of the episodes were excellent, or at least very good... Thats not saying the others didnt have their moments, but some, like "The Interrogation" start off right, then get stupid... As far as the acting, that was more because of who they cast, not the script itself... I can see where people say Sondra Locke's perfomance is terrible, but then her bad acting is made up for by the excellent work of Percy Rodrigues as Aboro... As far as the bad make-ups, that is more of a budgetary thing, plus they had to grind them out to keep everything on the weekly TV series shooting schedule... (Plus, to save money, did you know that they reused appliances? An appliance used on a principal actor would be used on a background Ape the next day...) Anyway, I think it could still have some potential at least in the comic/graphic novel form.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
>
> Great drawing from Mike McColm there!
>
> Is Simian Scrolls making this group their Yahoo! homebase?
>
> Michael

I agree. That's a really great "Santa captured" piece. Very well done.

If I understand correctly, Simian Scrolls are printed in the UK. Is
Mike McColm a British artist?

-Ray
www.rayalma.com

What I would like to see is a 2 hour reunion show with possibly Alan
and Pete finding a way back home. It is too bad that Roddy and MArk
have passed on to play Galen and Urko. But maybe if he is still
alive the actor who played Cornelius in Beneath could play Galen.

I hope no one steals my idea here but I have always kicked the
possiblilty of perhaps Alans son Chris coming to find him and Pete
in a resuce effort much like Brent came to find Taylor.

That would be cool!!!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/25/2004 6:36:57 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> > I actually think any attempt at resurrecting the TV Show with
the
> > same formula that got it canned after 14 episodes of some of the
> > sloppiest POTA work ever (scripts, makeup, actors - you NAME
it!)
> > would be a horrible mistake.
>
> I don't know about that... I think it could work as a resurrected
series, at
> least in comic form... Some of the TV comic stories they did in
the UK Annuals
> were actually pretty good, artistically and storywise... The
potential "is"
> there, it just maybe needs a different execution... As far as
where you said
> the scripts were poor, not entirely true... To me, 7 of the
episodes were
> excellent, or at least very good... Thats not saying the others
didnt have their
> moments, but some, like "The Interrogation" start off right, then
get stupid...
> As far as the acting, that was more because of who they cast, not
the script
> itself... I can see where people say Sondra Locke's perfomance is
terrible, but
> then her bad acting is made up for by the excellent work of Percy
Rodrigues as
> Aboro... As far as the bad make-ups, that is more of a budgetary
thing, plus
> they had to grind them out to keep everything on the weekly TV
series shooting
> schedule... (Plus, to save money, did you know that they reused
appliances?
> An appliance used on a principal actor would be used on a
background Ape the
> next day...) Anyway, I think it could still have some potential at
least in the
> comic/graphic novel form.

Hope everyone had a great holiday. Looking forward to 2005 there are
going to be a lot of great things happening. I don't know if we'll
be able to top the TV Contest but hopefully we'll be able to provide
everyone with their regular POTA fix. ;-)

PS It is also good to know that Yahoo fixed their problems.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/26/2004 10:17:34 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I have uploaded the first chapter in a post Battle story

Where did you upload it to? Which file?

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Thanks so much Elaine. The first chapter was great. It looks like
you're setting up some interesting conflicts.
Everyone else should take a minute and read this. It's in the Files
section in the Fan Fiction folder:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/FanFiction/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> James had mentioned awhile back that it would be nice to continue
the story
> from Battle and answer some questions(what happened to the mutants
etc) I have
> uploaded the first chapter in a post Battle story. Any comments on
what you
> would like to see happen or the direction of the story are
welcomed. Elaine

.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/26/04 11:17:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

James had mentioned awhile back that it would be nice to continue the story from Battle and answer some questions(what happened to the mutants etc) I have uploaded the first chapter in a post Battle story. Any comments on what you would like to see happen or the direction of the story are welcomed. Elaine

Return to After the Battle for the Conquest of the Escape from Beneath the Planet of the Apes.

Rated G.

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Funny that the Ads are playing the music from 2001.  Maybe another license from Fox would have cost too much.

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...>
wrote:

> Let us hear your comments good and bad.

Always good to see some new kids on the block! What with this
and Elaine's 'After the Battle..." It's great to see that the spirit of
POTA will be marching well into 2005.

Dave B

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...> wrote:

> If I understand correctly, Simian Scrolls are printed in the UK. Is
> Mike McColm a British artist?

Hi Ray,

Mike McColm is a Scotsman - and one who remains fiercely
determined not to be distracted by computers.

Dave B

It is a bit of a leap I admit. There is another scenario. Perhaps
C&Z's heresy trial had not yet occured. Beneath takes place very
close to the end of Planet so it is possible the trial had not yet
taken place. C&Z then used Zaius' absence to gain access to
the 'Secret Scrolls'. What they learned from the scrolls was such
dangerous knowledge, it provided the motivation for them to go off
with Milo in Taylor's ship.
Also, you mention the chimpanzee underground of war protesters. The
comic strip that Terry posted yesterday is about that underground.
Hope you like it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> I could never buy that Zaius would do such a thing. In BENEATH
Cornelius and
> Zira should have been in prison for heresy. Brent should have
been helped by
> Lucius and his chimpanzee underground of war protesters. That at
least would
> have made the Ape City parts of BENEATH different from what
happened in
> PLANET, but they blew it and we have the BENEATH we have.
>
> -- Rory

Nothing wrong with that. People do that all the time, talking to
their car or something else. If they start to answer back, that's
the time to worry;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Rory was asking the figures. He likes to talk to inanimate
objects. - - - Jeff
>

Thanks again to both Greg and Hunter for providing these for all
fans to enjoy.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to Greg P., issue 10 of the Marvel UK comic is now available
> for download:
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Hunter

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In a message dated 12/25/2004 6:00:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Zauis would let Zira and her love slave off.

 

Interesting choice of words, Jeff.  Yeah, I've never seen anyone

that whipped before.  He definitely "married up" and he knew it.

 

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In a message dated 12/25/2004 6:36:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Problem is we all have our own ideas of what the "soul" of
POTA is.

True True, Queequeg.  I don't think it's just gorillas with guns, or

Orangaroo Courts, or a hot human babe, or a cute sympathetic

chimpette, but all of the above.  The new movie tried to include

everything in it, but omitted one of these essential ingredients.

That was good solid writing!  That was a major stumbling block.

That and a melodramatic misanthrope defending his own race.

 

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SANTA aka My Lovely Wife Surprised me (Usually I already know lol)
This year with a POTA Gararge Kit called "Captured" this Model Kit is
THE VERY BEST Apes Piece I've EVER SEEN let alone OWNED! lol
Anyhoo,What ya' get is this Figure of Taylor being Restrained by Two
Gorillas.This baby is HUGE!! Each Figure Weighing about 2 Pounds and
the size of the Original G.I. Joe Action Figures (About 12 inches
Tall!) So now I just was hoping someone out there MIGHT happen to
have ANY Pics you could put here of Taylor being Held back by a Leash
around his Neck and a Gorrila to each Side of him. I wanna use it to
Print and Display behind the Kit when It's done.If you could help
drop me a Line at www.branchbrood@...
Thanks,
JOHN aka
Lonfan

Hello,

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Good for you. I wish I had a wife who was as thoughtful. Guess I
should get married first;-)
I just uploaded two pics. The first matches your description but is
in Black & White:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/9436_0063.jpeg
The second is a little different but is in color:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/9436_0058.jpeg
Hope these help.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "branchbrood" <branchbrood93@j...>
wrote:

>
>
> SANTA aka My Lovely Wife Surprised me (Usually I already know lol)
> This year with a POTA Gararge Kit called "Captured" this Model Kit

is

> THE VERY BEST Apes Piece I've EVER SEEN let alone OWNED! lol
> Anyhoo,What ya' get is this Figure of Taylor being Restrained by

Two

> Gorillas.This baby is HUGE!! Each Figure Weighing about 2 Pounds

and

> the size of the Original G.I. Joe Action Figures (About 12 inches
> Tall!) So now I just was hoping someone out there MIGHT happen to
> have ANY Pics you could put here of Taylor being Held back by a

Leash

> around his Neck and a Gorrila to each Side of him. I wanna use it

to

> Print and Display behind the Kit when It's done.If you could help
> drop me a Line at www.branchbrood@j...
> Thanks,
> JOHN aka
> Lonfan

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In a message dated 12/26/2004 12:28:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

It is too bad that Roddy and MArk
have passed on to play Galen and Urko.

 

Mark Lenard always reminds me of Martin Landau

and John Cassavetes.  In the same way that James

Franciscus reminds me of Anthony Franciosa, just

as William Holden reminds me of Glen Ford.  But

it's not the same as the way James Whitmore

reminds me of Richard Whitmark.  That's more

of a name thing.  Anyone have these sort of

associations?

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In a message dated 12/26/2004 12:31:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I don't know if we'll
be able to top the TV Contest

 

When was that?

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In a message dated 12/27/2004 11:01:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

It is a bit of a leap I admit. There is another scenario. Perhaps
C&Z's heresy trial had not yet occured.

 

It's possible.  As they say on the

radio legal show, with their drinking

buzz word, it could be differed adjudication.

 

 

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The TV contest which ran from September until last week. The contest
where you won the Cell Phone Strap.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/26/2004 12:31:15 P.M. Central Standard
Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
> I don't know if we'll
> be able to top the TV Contest
>
>
>
> When was that?

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In a message dated 12/27/2004 3:59:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

The TV contest which ran from September until last week. The contest
where you won the Cell Phone Strap.

 

Yes!  That was a good contest!

It's on my phone right now!

How about a Bathing Ape T-shirt?

I've been wanting one of those for

a long time!

 

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I would assume that Armando did educate Caesar to some extent. Maybe
nothing special but at least the basics of reading, writing and
arithmetic.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> how well had Caesar learned to read before Armando brought him out
into society?
> he found his name in the "name book" very easily in Breck's
office!!

If you look at the shot, and I'll try to do a screen grab later,
Caesar is looking at the Guard and the console while the Guard is
looking at Caesar. The circuit that McDonald turned off must have
been only for the juice that went to the table. That's not odd since
it would require different lines because of the higher levels of
electricity they would carry.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> I"m letting my girlfriend watches the 5 POTA movies for the first
time ever
> She brings up some interesting points as we watch them since i'm
listening to her first impressions
>
> Her questions today are:
>
> The Governor orders the guard to electrocute Caesar to death once
they capture him
> the guard turns it on and Caesar appears to have tons of voltage
sent through his body which causes his death
> but Caesar is faking right? did Caesar's accomplice turn off the
entire power of electricity or what?
> if there was no power sent than the guard should have seen it
didnt work?
> if it didnt work could Caesar really have known to fake his own
death?
> was Caesar too quick to kill the guard if he had never killed
before ?
> how much anger is in Caesar?

As a special Xmas gift to all of you the team at Ape Projects / Ape Chronicles

have put together the beginnings of a new POTA comic strip.

 

We present to you this new story called

PLANET OF THE APES - THE TRUTH

you can read it and see it at

 

www.hoknes.com/apetruth.htm

 

Let us hear your comments good and bad

 

Wishing you a great Christmas from

the team of

Terry, Dan, James, Glen

Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more...

go vegetarian!

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 9:00:15 A.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

If you look at the shot, and I'll try to do a screen grab later,
Caesar is looking at the Guard and the console while the Guard is
looking at Caesar.

 

Thank you! 

At least some one can look at the shots

as they're presented and add 2 & 2 and

draw a conclusion. 

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There is actually much more to the story. This was just the first 4
strips. It is projected that the full story (which focuses on the
Chimpanzee protestors seen in Beneath) will take 30 or more strips
to complete.

Unfortunately, due to health reasons our artist, Dan, had to back
out of the project. We released the first strips to see if there was
any interest in continuing the story and if there were anyone out
there with artistic ability that would like to take over those
duties.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> enjoyed it;
> nice colors.
> but is there more? or was the climax where the ape finds zaius
books?
>
> Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> As a special Xmas gift to all of you the team at Ape Projects /
Ape Chronicles
> have put together the beginnings of a new POTA comic strip.
>
> We present to you this new story called
> PLANET OF THE APES - THE TRUTH
> you can read it and see it at
>
> www.hoknes.com/apetruth.htm
>
> Let us hear your comments good and bad
>
> Wishing you a great Christmas from
> the team of
> Terry, Dan, James, Glen
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original
POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards
and much, much more...
>
>

Thanks. Here's the screen shots I promised:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/conquest7.jpg
You can see the Guard is looking at Caesar not the dials and Caesar
is looking at the dials.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> Thank you!
> At least some one can look at the shots
> as they're presented and add 2 & 2 and
> draw a conclusion.

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Thanks for that screen shot.

It clearly illustrates that anyone

actually watching the movie with

eye connected to their brains

should have no questions, and

that their are no stupid questions

only stupid girls, as the many

songs with that title have proven.

But seriously, if not for them, you

wouldn't have all those movies

where they throw their love away

in a pointless martyresc gesture

that ruins three lives for the price

of one.

 

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I don't think Caesar could read. He was named Milo by his parents and
I don't think he is refered to as Caesar till he has pointed the name
out in the name book. Possibly at random?

Of course Caesar could read. He reads and rewrites the orders that
the other apes bring to him when they are planning the revolt.

And Armando calls him Caesar early in the film:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Caesar1.jpg

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
>
>
> I don't think Caesar could read. He was named Milo by his parents
and
> I don't think he is refered to as Caesar till he has pointed the
name
> out in the name book. Possibly at random?

Your right! My mistake.

yes armando does call him caesar earlier in the movie
which i had not caught before
that is why i wondered how well he could pick the name out of the book so
easily if he didnt read much !?!?

>
>
>
> Of course Caesar could read. He reads and rewrites the orders that
> the other apes bring to him when they are planning the revolt.
>
> And Armando calls him Caesar early in the film:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Caesar1.jpg
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't think Caesar could read. He was named Milo by his parents
> and
>> I don't think he is refered to as Caesar till he has pointed the
> name
>> out in the name book. Possibly at random?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA
> One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much,
> much more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 2:14:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

I don't think Caesar could read. He was named Milo by his parents and
I don't think he is refered to as Caesar till he has pointed the name
out in the name book. Possibly at random?

Where do you get this stuff?

Of course he could read, and write!

He changed the orders that were

brought to him by the other apes.

Are you sure you guys actually

watched these movies?  It sounds

like a lot of bad reviews I've read by

reviewers who didn't actually watch

the movie and then have the gall

to critique it.

 

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I could be interested in doing the comic

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Here's another good review (with picutres) of Sideshow's latest 12"
POTA figures - Cornelius and Zira:

http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_122904.htm

They look pretty good. I can't wait to get 'em.

-Ray
rayalma.com

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "mlccougar" <mlccougar@a...> wrote:

>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> >
> > One thing I like about the cyclical theory is that in can

encompass

> > all the different versions of POTA. The original novel in one
> cycle,
> > the films in another cycle, the Cartoon in a different cycle and
> > even the 2001 remake in fourth cycle.
>
> While I see what you're saying as far as your liking the cyclical
> theory, you really cannot ever include the Boulle book or

pota2001...

> After all, the APES films, TV series, and RETURN all take place on

a

> future Earth, where the other two are on totally "alien" planets...

I have a theory about the sequence of events in the TV and animated
series', there are still many contradictions but it does
tie up a few loose ends:
Firstly, in the opening episode of the TV series Zaius, Urko
and Galen discuss the appearance of
astronauts "more than ten years ago" which raises more questions
than it answers. This hints at a whole part of the apes
history which has been covered up entirely.
Secondly, the fact that Zaius and Urko appear in both series
is too much of a coincidence (even if you accept that
Zaius, Cornelius, Zira and Nova all reappear in the first movie).
Thirdly, the ultimate fate of all these characters is left
open to speculation since both series were cancelled
prematurely.
And fourthly, most crucially, the ships chronometers cannot
be trusted: Taylor's clock showed the year 3978 when
in fact Brent, arriving after him, read the year as 3955, the year
of Earth's destruction, so even the movie series
contradicted itself. The animated series showed the year 3979,
obviously suffering from the same malfunction as Taylor's.
The problem with making the different versions tie in is the dates
that are mentioned once in each version, and maybe we
shouldn't rely on them completely. Even Virdon and Burke are
uncertain that their clock showed the correct year but perhaps
their's at least was about right.I reckon that the events in the
animated series are the events recalled by Zaius
and Urko ten years later, in the TV series, and that these two
characters alone know the full history of the apes and have
chosen to keep it from even other apes...
OK, so I know you have to ask about the technology of the
apes in the animated series, but perhaps they stumbled
upon a deserted human city and used it's resources (military
supplies, fuel, etc.) until they were exhausted as in the
Adventure Comics' Ape City. It's a stretch of the imagination, but
it fills in the gaps in the story. I also have ideas
about Brent attacking the Ape leaders after his friends were killed
(in episode 1 of the TV series, Zaius has a grenade
in his office which was found on a human attacker).

.html.htmlIn a message dated 12/28/2004 2:14:47 PM Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

He was named Milo by his parents and
I don't think he is refered to as Caesar till he has pointed the name
out in the name book.

Armando calls Caesar "Caesar" almost right off the bat in that film...

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Cornelius's features look more like those of Caesar's at the end of Conquest. Not bad
though.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...> wrote:
>
>
> Here's another good review (with picutres) of Sideshow's latest 12"
> POTA figures - Cornelius and Zira:
>
> http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_122904.htm
>
> They look pretty good. I can't wait to get 'em.
>
> -Ray
> rayalma.com

I finally had time to Take another look here for a Repley Sorry it
took so long,But thanks Those Pics are Perfect!!!!!

JOHN/LONFAN
Hope everyone has a Prosperous New Year!!