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Jason Evers' Birthday� �

Date: Sunday, January 2, 2005
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In a message dated 1/1/2005 6:19:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

What was Stewart's first name?

 

Eve

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In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:05:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I don't think so.  Here's why . . .

When the bellhop asked here if

it was her's, she said, "Of course

it's mine."  True she could have

found it on the ship and just thought

it was pretty and claimed it as her

own.  But judging from her nature

she wouldn't have reacted that way

if it wasn't her's.

 

I always thought her answer was, in her mind, a response to an obvious question-after all, who else in the hotel lobby could it belong to? Of course, this is all open to various interpretations.

 

Bruce

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First edition POTA. Vote whether I should sell it or save it.

Mark

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And even if not,I would think that they would be wearing their best for a photo. So if they're wearing nothing special for that its probably what they always wear.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:

> When will issue # 10 be available? Also, since most issues of

Scrolls have a

> theme to them, will the theme of # 10 be ESCAPE or the novels

or what?

# 10 should start shipping late Jan - early Feb. It IS something of
an Escape special but there will be plenty of other (non Escape)
reading too.

Dave

Cougar, we're hoping to get Scrolls #10 out by the end of this
month.It will have an Escape theme, with an original painted cover by
Mike McColm and an original comic strip by him.We've got two Escape
themed articles and the Jerry Pornelle interview. We've also got an
interview with some guy called Ploog. If we are delayed, it will be
production delays with the printer, who helps me get this done
cheaper than normal for such volume(which means I don't risk hassling
him!) As to what I regard as 'canon', I would vote for the novels,
even though I know others will think that's odd. Apes started out as
a novel and, in many ways, the printed page is the best medium for
Apes.Incidentally, David Gerrold says in Scrolls #6 that he
worked 'directly from their[the Corrington's] script'. Jerry
Pournelle has a very definite view on who deserves credit for
Escape.Are fanzines allowed to do teaser trailers?! John, Scrolls.

Hi Mark...

Check out www.bamm.com . Click on Hard to find books in the drop
down and search out Monkey Planet and Planet of the Apes. You
probably are getting a fair price at $350.00, but a while back I saw
one listed for something in the thousands! At $350.00 it is worth
keeping as a personal keepsake IMHO. (Unless you need the money --
that's a different story.) What condition is it in? Do you have
children?


--Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
>
>
> First edition POTA. Vote whether I should sell it or save it.
>
> Mark

I like Martha. She was blond and about the right age.

BTW Anyone remember a few years ago when Letterman did the All-
Stewart show with Jon, Patrick and Rod. He even had Martha do the
top 10 list that night.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Just wondering...
>
> What was Stewart's first name? I keep thinking Martha, and I know
> that's not right!
>
> --Helen
>
>

I never thought that they were meant to be carried about for long,
anyway. Unless they are somehow sealed with waterproof gaskets or
something to protect the contents, I don't get the shape. I
definitely see your point. Hot in the sun, cold in the snow. Not
very comfortable to wear about, even in nice weather.

And apparently they weren't hard to open. The dumb humans did it!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> With all this talk of carpetbags and what Taylor & crew were
allowed
> to bring with them, I thought of the backpacks Taylor & crew
carried
> in the Forbidden Zone.
>
> Now these appear to be made of some shiny silver metal. Yet they
are
> walking through a desert wearing these things on their backs. With
> the sun beating down on them all day wouldn't these metal
backpacks
> start to raditate an awful amount of heat? How could Taylor,
Landon
> and Dodge stand to have these things on their backs for days?

You're right about Dehn and continuity. He made a lot of mistakes
and even contradicted himself within the same film. However, I would
also point out that continuity was not something that was worried
about a lot in the industry back then. Since their was no home video
at the time, I don't think they expected fans to keep track of all
the details.
There is no other film series from that time to compare but just
look at TV shows from that period. The backstories of main
characters in shows like Mash & The Odd Couple changed almost from
episode to episode. (ie Oscar & Felix met in grade school, Oscar &
Felix met on jury duty, Oscar & Felis met in the Army/Hawkeye's
parents were dead and had a sister, Hawkeye's parents were both
alive and he was an only child, Hawkeye's dad was alive and mother
dead, etc.) I assume producers and writers didn't think the audience
would notice discrepencies.
One thing I think we can all thank both Star Wars & Star Trek for is
a respect for continuity. I read once that Paramount has people who
are Trek experts who read every script just to catch any continuity
errors as well as archivist who keep track of everything.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
>
> You're probably right...contrary to what he said in interviews
continuity
> wasn't his strong point.
> Bruce

Our friend Dave Ballard sent us POTA comic that recently ran in a
British magazine. It's a bit of a spoof and the language is R rated
so the weak-hearted beware. It's in the Files Section and can be
found here:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/strip.jpg

Happy Birthday Jason. Jason played one of the CIA interrogators in
Escape. He was the one that used the term 'monkeys'.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Jason Evers' Birthday
>
> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2005
> Time: All Day

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 10:43:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Our friend Dave Ballard sent us POTA comic that recently ran in a
British magazine. It's a bit of a spoof and the language is R rated
so the weak-hearted beware. It's in the Files Section and can be
found here:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/strip.jpg

Very funny! I remember when John Glenn went into space the last time someone suggested when he returned to Earth we bury the Statue of Liberty and all dress like apes!

Bruce

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 9:51:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

There is no other film series from that time to compare but just
look at TV shows from that period. The backstories of main
characters in shows like Mash & The Odd Couple changed almost from
episode to episode. (ie Oscar & Felix met in grade school, Oscar &
Felix met on jury duty, Oscar & Felis met in the Army/Hawkeye's
parents were dead and had a sister, Hawkeye's parents were both
alive and he was an only child, Hawkeye's dad was alive and mother
dead, etc.) I assume producers and writers didn't think the audience
would notice discrepencies.
One thing I think we can all thank both Star Wars & Star Trek for is
a respect for continuity. I read once that Paramount has people who
are Trek experts who read every script just to catch any continuity
errors as well as archivist who keep track of everything.

Star Trek had its share of inconsistencies too. Before they called it Star Fleet it was called Space Command, Spock first mentions it was one of his ancestors who married a human (not his Mom), etc etc. Shows like Time Tunnel had a continuity expert on the staff for all the good it did. There were a lot of continuity problems on most TV shows & movies of that time.

Bruce

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Lots of interesting posts here over the past few weeks. I'm sorry to
have missed much of the action!

Someone mentioned Taylor's "new Eve" comment about Lieutenant
Stewart (no first name ever given, as far as I know). I view
Taylor's words there as hyperbole, more like wishful thinking or
male boasting. I don't see Air Force One's mission as one of
colonization (btw, A. F. 1 is what the trading cards call Taylor's
ship, making it the only semi-official name for the vessel).

The astronauts appear to be on a mission of either light-speed space
exploration or a time travel experiment or both. It seems clear that
all four astronauts knew that they would be returning to another
time period, unless they also expected to be reversing the time
travel and going back home to their own time.

In either case, I don't think Taylor was saying that Stewart
intended to be a mate for the 3 astronauts. He was just letting his
mind wander a bit. Your thoughts?

Menluth.

Lots of interesting posts here over the past few weeks. I'm sorry to
have missed much of the action!

Someone mentioned Taylor's "new Eve" comment about Lieutenant
Stewart (no first name ever given, as far as I know). I view
Taylor's words there as hyperbole, more like wishful thinking or
male boasting. I don't see Air Force One's mission as one of
colonization (btw, A. F. 1 is what the trading cards call Taylor's
ship, making it the only semi-official name for the vessel).

The astronauts appear to be on a mission of either light-speed space
exploration or a time travel experiment or both. It seems clear that
all four astronauts knew that they would be returning to another
time period, unless they also expected to be reversing the time
travel and going back home to their own time.

In either case, I don't think Taylor was saying that Stewart
intended to be a mate for the 3 astronauts. He was just letting his
mind wander a bit. Your thoughts?

Menluth.








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go vegetarian!

All the talk lately about the Dr. Zira action figures has made me
think about how Zira and Ari compare as characters. Ari (PA01) is
clearly based on, or inspired by, Dr. Zira's character from PA68.
What do we know about these two?

Ari was 27 at the time Leo Davidson landed on planet New Hope (see
Database link for timeline info). She was born into wealth and
status, but shunned the accepted beliefs of her social class. Ari
was indulged by her father, who scolded her anti-establishment
behavior, but generally appeased her. Ari was inquisitive about the
past, and questioned ape history as handed down for generations. She
has the mind of humanitarian activist, but seems to act alone, not
being a part of any group of apes who share her way of thinking.

Zira is also of an upper class privileged group of apes. What is her
age in Planet? Unlike Ari, she seems to have pursued higher
education and is a working professional. Ari, despite her strong
beliefs, just seems to spend her time shopping in Derkein city
centre! Like Ari, Zira also has interesting ape fashions. Zira and
Ari both have negative opinions concerning the way their societies
are run, and both are not afraid of the consequences of speaking up
about it.

Who is the stronger activist of the two? Which of them is more
likely to lead a revolution in simian thinking about their
societies? Had Zira stayed in Ape City, would she eventually have
settled into an establishment lifestyle, and returned to human
dissection and vivisection? Would Ari lose her fear and become a
confident leader? Did Ari also have a carpet bag, and if so, what
did it look like?

Menluth.

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 8:10:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Click on Hard to find books in the drop
down and search out Monkey Planet and Planet of the Apes.  You
probably are getting a fair price at $350.00, but a while back I saw
one listed for something in the thousands!

Is this translated or not?

I saw one for a hundred.

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The one I saw was translated. I posted it on the DG a few months
ago, but I'm durned if I can find it. Maybe they sold it.

--Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/2/2005 8:10:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> Click on Hard to find books in the drop
> down and search out Monkey Planet and Planet of the Apes. You
> probably are getting a fair price at $350.00, but a while back I
saw
> one listed for something in the thousands!
>
>
> Is this translated or not?
> I saw one for a hundred.

All the talk lately about the Dr. Zira action figures has made me
think about how Zira and Ari compare as characters. Ari (PA01) is
clearly based on, or inspired by, Dr. Zira's character from PA68.
What do we know about these two?

Ari was 27 at the time Leo Davidson landed on planet New Hope (see
Database link for timeline info). She was born into wealth and
status, but shunned the accepted beliefs of her social class. Ari
was indulged by her father, who scolded her anti-establishment
behavior, but generally appeased her. Ari was inquisitive about the
past, and questioned ape history as handed down for generations. She
has the mind of humanitarian activist, but seems to act alone, not
being a part of any group of apes who share her way of thinking.

Zira is also of an upper class privileged group of apes. What is her
age in Planet? Unlike Ari, she seems to have pursued higher
education and is a working professional. Ari, despite her strong
beliefs, just seems to spend her time shopping in Derkein city
centre! Like Ari, Zira also has interesting ape fashions. Zira and
Ari both have negative opinions concerning the way their societies
are run, and both are not afraid of the consequences of speaking up
about it.

Who is the stronger activist of the two? Which of them is more
likely to lead a revolution in simian thinking about their
societies? Had Zira stayed in Ape City, would she eventually have
settled into an establishment lifestyle, and returned to human
dissection and vivisection? Would Ari lose her fear and become a
confident leader? Did Ari also have a carpet bag, and if so, what
did it look like?

Menluth.








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go vegetarian!

Nice, Menluth!


shhh: I'm guessing it would be a plum and black silk brocade!
(With a tapestry-like print!)


--Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
>
>
> All the talk lately about the Dr. Zira action figures has made me
> think about how Zira and Ari compare as characters. Ari (PA01) is
> clearly based on, or inspired by, Dr. Zira's character from PA68.
> What do we know about these two?
>
> Ari was 27 at the time Leo Davidson landed on planet New Hope (see
> Database link for timeline info). She was born into wealth and
> status, but shunned the accepted beliefs of her social class. Ari
> was indulged by her father, who scolded her anti-establishment
> behavior, but generally appeased her. Ari was inquisitive about
the
> past, and questioned ape history as handed down for generations.
She
> has the mind of humanitarian activist, but seems to act alone, not
> being a part of any group of apes who share her way of thinking.
>
> Zira is also of an upper class privileged group of apes. What is
her
> age in Planet? Unlike Ari, she seems to have pursued higher
> education and is a working professional. Ari, despite her strong
> beliefs, just seems to spend her time shopping in Derkein city
> centre! Like Ari, Zira also has interesting ape fashions. Zira and
> Ari both have negative opinions concerning the way their societies
> are run, and both are not afraid of the consequences of speaking
up
> about it.
>
> Who is the stronger activist of the two? Which of them is more
> likely to lead a revolution in simian thinking about their
> societies? Had Zira stayed in Ape City, would she eventually have
> settled into an establishment lifestyle, and returned to human
> dissection and vivisection? Would Ari lose her fear and become a
> confident leader? Did Ari also have a carpet bag, and if so, what
> did it look like?
>
> Menluth.

I don't know who all know this, but there was additional footage
shot for the beginning of Escape that actually show Cornelius, Zira,
and Milo in the spaceship. From what I have always heard rumored,
the shot shows them in the ship witnessing the destruction of earth.
It would be awesome if Fox would use their heads and restore off the
the missing footage in all the films and add them into the films and
release them as a Special Edition. I would bet money people would
flock to see them at the theaters. That would have been sooooo much
better than that attempted "remake" that they tried.
There is also a fan based comic that shows Milo finding the ship. I
have a page of it and will attach it in the folder also. I will
titled the folder "Escape Lost Footage"

- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/1/2005 5:09:26 PM Central Standard Time,
> stenosaurus@a... writes:
>
> > I would have like to have seen a longer beginning to Escape that

got into

> > the chimps discovering Taylor's ship, restoring it, the liftoff,

etc. but I

> > guess due to time & budget it was impossible. Ideas like this

could have been

> > explored.
> >
> >
>
> That would have been half the movie right there then... I mean

it'd have to

> take a few steps back and show the whole discovery, repair,

learing to control

> it, etc, and then the lift off, all the while making sure that

those things

> would be happening before any of the stuff in BENEATH occured,

because you

> wouldn't want to have things overlapping... Let's say that the

army would have

> crossed the area where the ship had crashed... You couldn't have

shown them on the

> march with Milo in the background examining Taylor's Icarus at the

same

> time...
>
> The ideas you have here are good, and that's where new APES comics

owuld come

> in... You can do backstories like that in them...

Well said. Isn't he talking to himself? Anything someone says when
they are talking to themselves is suspect -- revealing the heart,
maybe, but not the truth!

--Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Lots of interesting posts here over the past few weeks. I'm sorry
to
> have missed much of the action!
>
> Someone mentioned Taylor's "new Eve" comment about Lieutenant
> Stewart (no first name ever given, as far as I know). I view
> Taylor's words there as hyperbole, more like wishful thinking or
> male boasting. I don't see Air Force One's mission as one of
> colonization (btw, A. F. 1 is what the trading cards call Taylor's
> ship, making it the only semi-official name for the vessel).
>
> The astronauts appear to be on a mission of either light-speed
space
> exploration or a time travel experiment or both. It seems clear
that
> all four astronauts knew that they would be returning to another
> time period, unless they also expected to be reversing the time
> travel and going back home to their own time.
>
> In either case, I don't think Taylor was saying that Stewart
> intended to be a mate for the 3 astronauts. He was just letting
his
> mind wander a bit. Your thoughts?
>
> Menluth.

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 8:51:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

One thing I think we can all thank both Star Wars & Star Trek for is
a respect for continuity.

 

I think that famous Trek continuity is about to go out the window.

At least as far as costumes and sets are concerned.  No way are

they going back to that 60's Sci-fi retro feel of the original.

Enterprise seems more modern than that even though it's further

back chronologically.

 

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Yes, this book is translated by Xan Fielding. I checked out that web site, there are some
listed for a couple of thousand dollars. Some of the paperbacks are fetching high prices
too.
I don't need the money, I'm just interested in what other members think. My parents had
this book for years. When I was younger I tried to read it a number of times and could not
get into it. I did a book report on it once but used what I recalled from the film instead.
I didn't actually read it until around 1981. My parents would have thrown it out if it wasn't
for my fascination with POTA.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/2/2005 8:10:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> Click on Hard to find books in the drop
> down and search out Monkey Planet and Planet of the Apes. You
> probably are getting a fair price at $350.00, but a while back I saw
> one listed for something in the thousands!
>
>
> Is this translated or not?
> I saw one for a hundred.

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 3:04:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

There is also a fan based comic that shows Milo finding the ship. I
have a page of it and will attach it in the folder also. I will
titled the folder "Escape Lost Footage"

I'd love to see that!

Bruce

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 3:04:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

don't know who all know this, but there was additional footage
shot for the beginning of Escape that actually show Cornelius, Zira,
and Milo in the spaceship. From what I have always heard rumored,
the shot shows them in the ship witnessing the destruction of earth.
It would be awesome if Fox would use their heads and restore off the
the missing footage in all the films and add them into the films and
release them as a Special Edition. I would bet money people would
flock to see them at the theaters

From what I've read all of this scene was filmed except the special effects of the Earth being destroyed that  the apes view out the windows. They didn't want to pay for that so half a day's filming was scrapped (but supposedly saved).

Bruce

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 3:10:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Well said.  Isn't he talking to himself?  Anything someone says when
they are talking to themselves is suspect -- revealing the heart,
maybe, but not the truth!

--Helen

Helen,

  I like the line in the Mad Magazine parody that Taylor says when they find Stewart-"Unless one of you guys can dance backwards, we're in trouble!"

Bruce

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From what I've read all of this scene was filmed except the special effects of the Earth being destroyed that  the apes view out the windows. They didn't want to pay for that so half a day's filming was scrapped (but supposedly saved).

If it still does exist, in this day and age, they could VERY easily add the SFX...<.html <.html

what site are you referring to that has the books listed for a $1000 ?

i can give you some tips once i hear about that
thanks

> Yes, this book is translated by Xan Fielding. I checked out that web
> site, there are some
> listed for a couple of thousand dollars. Some of the paperbacks are
> fetching high prices
> too.
> I don't need the money, I'm just interested in what other members think.
> My parents had
> this book for years. When I was younger I tried to read it a number of
> times and could not
> get into it. I did a book report on it once but used what I recalled from
> the film instead.
> I didn't actually read it until around 1981. My parents would have thrown
> it out if it wasn't
> for my fascination with POTA.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 1/2/2005 8:10:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>>
>> Click on Hard to find books in the drop
>> down and search out Monkey Planet and Planet of the Apes. You
>> probably are getting a fair price at $350.00, but a while back I saw
>> one listed for something in the thousands!
>>
>>
>> Is this translated or not?
>> I saw one for a hundred.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA
> One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much,
> much more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 2:04:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

The one I saw was translated.  I posted it on the DG a few months
ago, but I'm durned if I can find it.  Maybe they sold it.

I saw one on the site you linked.

First edition, hard cover, $113.05

 

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 2:04:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

a Special Edition. I would bet money people would
flock to see them at the theaters.

 

How much?  I'm sure that if the suits won't

gamble on it you'd lose.  If I were Howard

Hughes, I'd bet the distribution cost and lose

happily!

 

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 3:25:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

If it still does exist, in this day and age, they could VERY easily add the SFX...

But would they? Maybe some creative editing of the existing footage could be done though.

Bruce

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http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/books?
id=3046705249652&pid=A8244716617

Try that one.

--Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/2/2005 2:04:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> The one I saw was translated. I posted it on the DG a few months
> ago, but I'm durned if I can find it. Maybe they sold it.
>
>
> I saw one on the site you linked.
> First edition, hard cover, $113.05

Planet of the Apes...Translation By Xan Fielding.
by Pierre. Boulle
Hard-To-Find Title: Ships within 3 weeks.
Our Price: $2493.75
Millionaire's Club Price: $2244.38
Members Save $249.37 ! (10%)


Condition: Octavo, cloth-backed boards. First edition in English.
Translation of La Planete des Singes (1963). Basis for two films and
numerous sequels. "Boulle made the Earth astronauts' visit to a far
planet where apes are the dominant species and humans a despised
under class a parable of racial and other social failings on
Earth..."-Anatomy of Wonder (1995) 3-26. Survey of Science Fiction
Literature IV, pp. 1692-96. Former owner's bookplate affixed to
front paste-down, a fine copy in nearly fine dust jacket with touch
of rubbing to black background ink at head and tail of spine panel,
tiny area at center of spine panel, and along short portion of front
flap fold. The red title lettering on the spine panel shows none of
the fading that so often afflicts examples of this jacket. A sharp
copy. (#89123).

Item ID: 8209612087 / Publisher: New York: The Vanguard Press,
Inc., / Date: [1963]

http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/books?id=3046705249652&pid=A8209612087

--Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/2/2005 2:04:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> The one I saw was translated. I posted it on the DG a few months
> ago, but I'm durned if I can find it. Maybe they sold it.
>
>
> I saw one on the site you linked.
> First edition, hard cover, $113.05

there are some full time book dealers that price stuff high cause they are
waiting for the right customer

best place to do searches for used books is at
www.abebooks.com you will see lots of listings
but note the variety in prices
these sellers can price any item at any price they want

i can ask $10,000.00 for it but it doesnt mean i will ever get a sale
on the opposite end sometimes original prints go real cheap on ebay.com

> Planet of the Apes...Translation By Xan Fielding.
> by Pierre. Boulle
> Hard-To-Find Title: Ships within 3 weeks.
> Our Price: $2493.75
> Millionaire's Club Price: $2244.38
> Members Save $249.37 ! (10%)
>
>
> Condition: Octavo, cloth-backed boards. First edition in English.
> Translation of La Planete des Singes (1963). Basis for two films and
> numerous sequels. "Boulle made the Earth astronauts' visit to a far
> planet where apes are the dominant species and humans a despised
> under class a parable of racial and other social failings on
> Earth..."-Anatomy of Wonder (1995) 3-26. Survey of Science Fiction
> Literature IV, pp. 1692-96. Former owner's bookplate affixed to
> front paste-down, a fine copy in nearly fine dust jacket with touch
> of rubbing to black background ink at head and tail of spine panel,
> tiny area at center of spine panel, and along short portion of front
> flap fold. The red title lettering on the spine panel shows none of
> the fading that so often afflicts examples of this jacket. A sharp
> copy. (#89123).
>
> Item ID: 8209612087 / Publisher: New York: The Vanguard Press,
> Inc., / Date: [1963]
>
> http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/books?id=3046705249652&pid=A8209612087
>
> --Helen
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 1/2/2005 2:04:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>>
>>
>> The one I saw was translated. I posted it on the DG a few months
>> ago, but I'm durned if I can find it. Maybe they sold it.
>>
>>
>> I saw one on the site you linked.
>> First edition, hard cover, $113.05
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA
> One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much,
> much more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yes, I agree Abebooks is a place to go for bargains, but bamm.com
runs pretty good with what similar things go for on eBay. (Not
necessarily Planet, but other collectibles I have watched.)

--Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
>
> there are some full time book dealers that price stuff high cause
they are
> waiting for the right customer
>
> best place to do searches for used books is at
> www.abebooks.com you will see lots of listings
> but note the variety in prices
> these sellers can price any item at any price they want
>
> i can ask $10,000.00 for it but it doesnt mean i will ever get a
sale
> on the opposite end sometimes original prints go real cheap on
ebay.com
>
>
>
> > Planet of the Apes...Translation By Xan Fielding.
> > by Pierre. Boulle
> > Hard-To-Find Title: Ships within 3 weeks.
> > Our Price: $2493.75
> > Millionaire's Club Price: $2244.38
> > Members Save $249.37 ! (10%)
> >
> >
> > Condition: Octavo, cloth-backed boards. First edition in
English.
> > Translation of La Planete des Singes (1963). Basis for two films
and
> > numerous sequels. "Boulle made the Earth astronauts' visit to a
far
> > planet where apes are the dominant species and humans a despised
> > under class a parable of racial and other social failings on
> > Earth..."-Anatomy of Wonder (1995) 3-26. Survey of Science
Fiction
> > Literature IV, pp. 1692-96. Former owner's bookplate affixed to
> > front paste-down, a fine copy in nearly fine dust jacket with
touch
> > of rubbing to black background ink at head and tail of spine
panel,
> > tiny area at center of spine panel, and along short portion of
front
> > flap fold. The red title lettering on the spine panel shows none
of
> > the fading that so often afflicts examples of this jacket. A
sharp
> > copy. (#89123).
> >
> > Item ID: 8209612087 / Publisher: New York: The Vanguard Press,
> > Inc., / Date: [1963]
> >
> > http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/books?
id=3046705249652&pid=A8209612087
> >
> > --Helen
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/2/2005 2:04:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> >> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> The one I saw was translated. I posted it on the DG a few
months
> >> ago, but I'm durned if I can find it. Maybe they sold it.
> >>
> >>
> >> I saw one on the site you linked.
> >> First edition, hard cover, $113.05
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for
Original POTA
> > One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards
and much,
> > much more...
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Anyway, nothing is worth any more than someone is willing to pay for
it. So, the question is: Is it worth #350.00 to keep it? That's
what he sacrifices if he has an offer and doesn't sell.

--Helen

>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> >
> > there are some full time book dealers that price stuff high

cause

> they are
> > waiting for the right customer
> >
> > best place to do searches for used books is at
> > www.abebooks.com you will see lots of listings
> > but note the variety in prices
> > these sellers can price any item at any price they want
> >
> > i can ask $10,000.00 for it but it doesnt mean i will ever get a
> sale
> > on the opposite end sometimes original prints go real cheap on
> ebay.com
> >
> >
> >
> > > Planet of the Apes...Translation By Xan Fielding.
> > > by Pierre. Boulle
> > > Hard-To-Find Title: Ships within 3 weeks.
> > > Our Price: $2493.75
> > > Millionaire's Club Price: $2244.38
> > > Members Save $249.37 ! (10%)
> > >
> > >
> > > Condition: Octavo, cloth-backed boards. First edition in
> English.
> > > Translation of La Planete des Singes (1963). Basis for two

films

> and
> > > numerous sequels. "Boulle made the Earth astronauts' visit to

a

> far
> > > planet where apes are the dominant species and humans a

despised

> > > under class a parable of racial and other social failings on
> > > Earth..."-Anatomy of Wonder (1995) 3-26. Survey of Science
> Fiction
> > > Literature IV, pp. 1692-96. Former owner's bookplate affixed to
> > > front paste-down, a fine copy in nearly fine dust jacket with
> touch
> > > of rubbing to black background ink at head and tail of spine
> panel,
> > > tiny area at center of spine panel, and along short portion of
> front
> > > flap fold. The red title lettering on the spine panel shows

none

> of
> > > the fading that so often afflicts examples of this jacket. A
> sharp
> > > copy. (#89123).
> > >
> > > Item ID: 8209612087 / Publisher: New York: The Vanguard Press,
> > > Inc., / Date: [1963]
> > >
> > > http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/books?
> id=3046705249652&pid=A8209612087
> > >
> > > --Helen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In a message dated 1/2/2005 2:04:37 P.M. Central Standard

Time,

> > >> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The one I saw was translated. I posted it on the DG a few
> months
> > >> ago, but I'm durned if I can find it. Maybe they sold it.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I saw one on the site you linked.
> > >> First edition, hard cover, $113.05
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for
> Original POTA
> > > One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading

Cards

> and much,
> > > much more...
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 3:14:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/books?
id=3046705249652&pid=A8244716617

Okay, I see the diff.

The one I was looking at was a softcover first edition

by Penguin, not the Secker & Warburg of London.

Mine is a first edition hardback by Vanguard of

New York.  It only cost like 50 bucks, but it's not

under the Monkey Planet title either.  Still nice.

 

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 3:14:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Item ID: 8209612087 / Publisher: New York: The Vanguard Press,
Inc., / Date: [1963]

No way!  That's more than that 1700 dollar Monkey Planet!

I'm going to have to vacuum seal mine!  I had no idea it was

that valuable!

 

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 3:32:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, terryhoknes@... writes:

i can ask $10,000.00 for it but it doesnt mean i will ever get a sale
on the opposite end sometimes original prints go real cheap on ebay.com

Oh, I get it.

So much for vacuum sealing it.

 

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 3:44:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Yes, I agree Abebooks is a place to go for bargains, but bamm.com
runs pretty good with what similar things go for on eBay. 

Alibris is where I found mine.

Though I have gotten better

prices on Kim's book on eBay.

 

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Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the
original novel was ever published in the United States under any
other title than "Planet of the Apes".
Again I could be wrong but I believe the Monkey Planet title was
only used in UK editions because the original publisher there
incorrectly translated the title.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> Okay, I see the diff.
> The one I was looking at was a softcover first edition
> by Penguin, not the Secker & Warburg of London.
> Mine is a first edition hardback by Vanguard of
> New York. It only cost like 50 bucks, but it's not
> under the Monkey Planet title either. Still nice.

yes that might be true
off top of my head i dont remember any US printings with the monkey planet
title

>
>
>
> Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the
> original novel was ever published in the United States under any
> other title than "Planet of the Apes".
> Again I could be wrong but I believe the Monkey Planet title was
> only used in UK editions because the original publisher there
> incorrectly translated the title.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>>
>> Okay, I see the diff.
>> The one I was looking at was a softcover first edition
>> by Penguin, not the Secker & Warburg of London.
>> Mine is a first edition hardback by Vanguard of
>> New York. It only cost like 50 bucks, but it's not
>> under the Monkey Planet title either. Still nice.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA
> One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much,
> much more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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I'd like to start a poll.

 

How many of you would rather have

a serious, adult, R rated POTA or

no POTA again ever?

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I may be wrong, but I disagree with you somewhat.

After Taylor and Nova were seperated into two different cages before
the trail, Taylor tells Nova, "Did I tell you about Stewart? Now
there was a lovely girl; the most precious cargo we brought along.
She was to be our new Eve, with our hot and eager help of course."
He then says to Nova, "Do you love me I wonder. Can you love I
wonder. Well, your are not as smart as Stewart but you are the only
girl in town..."
To me, this says Stewart was suppose to be the "new Eve" if they
wasn't able to return, and if they reach a time period where there
was no human civilization, they were to start a new one. If you go
to the Marvel comic, using one of the early final drafts, when they
discover Stewart was dead Taylor says, "Well, that's it. Three Adams
and no Eve..."

I don't know how this was all suppose to work though. Because if
they were not braking the time and going back to their own time, why
did Landon in Planet of the Apes and Brent in Beneath the Planet of
the Apes both try to conatct earth?????


In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:

>
>
> Lots of interesting posts here over the past few weeks. I'm sorry

to

> have missed much of the action!
>
> Someone mentioned Taylor's "new Eve" comment about Lieutenant
> Stewart (no first name ever given, as far as I know). I view
> Taylor's words there as hyperbole, more like wishful thinking or
> male boasting. I don't see Air Force One's mission as one of
> colonization (btw, A. F. 1 is what the trading cards call Taylor's
> ship, making it the only semi-official name for the vessel).
>
> The astronauts appear to be on a mission of either light-speed

space

> exploration or a time travel experiment or both. It seems clear

that

> all four astronauts knew that they would be returning to another
> time period, unless they also expected to be reversing the time
> travel and going back home to their own time.
>
> In either case, I don't think Taylor was saying that Stewart
> intended to be a mate for the 3 astronauts. He was just letting

his

> mind wander a bit. Your thoughts?
>
> Menluth.

I believe the 'Eve' reference is purely metaphorical.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com,
"luke_the_drifter52" <JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:

>
>
> I may be wrong, but I disagree with you somewhat.
>
> After Taylor and Nova were seperated into two different cages before
> the trail, Taylor tells Nova, "Did I tell you about Stewart? Now
> there was a lovely girl; the most precious cargo we brought along.
> She was to be our new Eve, with our hot and eager help of course."
> He then says to Nova, "Do you love me I wonder. Can you love I
> wonder. Well, your are not as smart as Stewart but you are the only
> girl in town..."
> To me, this says Stewart was suppose to be the "new Eve" if they
> wasn't able to return, and if they reach a time period where there
> was no human civilization, they were to start a new one. If you go
> to the Marvel comic, using one of the early final drafts, when they
> discover Stewart was dead Taylor says, "Well, that's it. Three Adams
> and no Eve..."
>
> I don't know how this was all suppose to work though. Because if
> they were not braking the time and going back to their own time, why
> did Landon in Planet of the Apes and Brent in Beneath the Planet of
> the Apes both try to conatct earth?????
>
>
> In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Lots of interesting posts here over the past few weeks. I'm sorry
> to
> > have missed much of the action!
> >
> > Someone mentioned Taylor's "new Eve" comment about Lieutenant
> > Stewart (no first name ever given, as far as I know). I view
> > Taylor's words there as hyperbole, more like wishful thinking or
> > male boasting. I don't see Air Force One's mission as one of
> > colonization (btw, A. F. 1 is what the trading cards call Taylor's
> > ship, making it the only semi-official name for the vessel).
> >
> > The astronauts appear to be on a mission of either light-speed
> space
> > exploration or a time travel experiment or both. It seems clear
> that
> > all four astronauts knew that they would be returning to another
> > time period, unless they also expected to be reversing the time
> > travel and going back home to their own time.
> >
> > In either case, I don't think Taylor was saying that Stewart
> > intended to be a mate for the 3 astronauts. He was just letting
> his
> > mind wander a bit. Your thoughts?
> >
> > Menluth.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52" <

> I may be wrong, but I disagree with you somewhat. After Taylor and

Nova were seperated into two different cages before the trail,
Taylor tells Nova, "Did I tell you about Stewart? Now there was a
lovely girl; the most precious cargo we brought along. She was to be
our new Eve, with our hot and eager help of course."

Hi Luke,
I know what you mean. Taylor lays it on really thick here, if we
take him literally. But Taylor wasn't exactly known for his
humility. I think he's talking the story up for all it's worth. As
Helen said, Taylor is really talking to himself, since Nova can't
understand his words anyway.
Menluth.

Health reasons? What's up with Dan? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] MERRY CHRISTMAS to all APES fans
worldwide - special NEW ORIGINAL COMIC STRIP: PLANET OF THE APES - THE TRUTH


>
>
>
> There is actually much more to the story. This was just the first 4
> strips. It is projected that the full story (which focuses on the
> Chimpanzee protestors seen in Beneath) will take 30 or more strips
> to complete.
>
> Unfortunately, due to health reasons our artist, Dan, had to back
> out of the project. We released the first strips to see if there was
> any interest in continuing the story and if there were anyone out
> there with artistic ability that would like to take over those
> duties.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> > enjoyed it;
> > nice colors.
> > but is there more? or was the climax where the ape finds zaius
> books?
> >
> > Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> > As a special Xmas gift to all of you the team at Ape Projects /
> Ape Chronicles
> > have put together the beginnings of a new POTA comic strip.
> >
> > We present to you this new story called
> > PLANET OF THE APES - THE TRUTH
> > you can read it and see it at
> >
> > www.hoknes.com/apetruth.htm
> >
> > Let us hear your comments good and bad
> >
> > Wishing you a great Christmas from
> > the team of
> > Terry, Dan, James, Glen
> >
> >
> > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original
> POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards
> and much, much more...
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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.html Great comic! I am looking forward to reading the next chapter, seems like Dr Zaius is hiding much from ape society that is seen by the books he has in his office. I was surprised by the colors, this would be nice as a graphic novel. Elaine<.html

I don't think that I commented on this before, but I like the
strip! www.hoknes.com/apetruth.htm . I'm definitely interested to
see how it unfolds! I have a lot more interest in comics since
Beware the Beast.

I can't be of any help on the artistic end (ask Neil at POTADG, I
have NO artistic ability), but I'd love to see it continued.

My thoughts and prayers are with Dan and hopes for a speedy
recovery.

--Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> There is actually much more to the story. This was just the first
4
> strips. It is projected that the full story (which focuses on the
> Chimpanzee protestors seen in Beneath) will take 30 or more strips
> to complete.
>
> Unfortunately, due to health reasons our artist, Dan, had to back
> out of the project. We released the first strips to see if there
was
> any interest in continuing the story and if there were anyone out
> there with artistic ability that would like to take over those
> duties.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:
> > enjoyed it;
> > nice colors.
> > but is there more? or was the climax where the ape finds zaius
> books?
> >

Where is the comic at? I seem to be missing this one but it sounds
interesting



In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:

> Great comic! I am looking forward to reading the next chapter,

seems like Dr

> Zaius is hiding much from ape society that is seen by the books he

has in his

> office. I was surprised by the colors, this would be nice as a

graphic novel.

> Elaine

www.hoknes.com/apetruth.htm

> Where is the comic at? I seem to be missing this one but it sounds
> interesting
>
>

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Great comic! I am looking forward to reading the next chapter, seems like Dr Zaius is hiding much from ape society that is seen by the books he has in his office. I was surprised by the colors, this would be nice as a graphic novel. Elaine

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I"m glad you liked it
what was it you liked the most?
and what part interests you of the new comic strip?

> I don't think that I commented on this before, but I like the
> strip! www.hoknes.com/apetruth.htm . I'm definitely interested to
> see how it unfolds!

Well, to begin with, most of us are interested in a story that will
expose what happened at the heresy trials. It's clear that
the "truth" was stifled in a big way! Eh, hmmm. So, I guess the
story is intriguing. Also, it has a light feel unlike many of the
professional comics that were written way back when. Clearly
something is up in Ape City. Might this be about to reveal the bit
that happens between the end of Planet and the beginning of
Beneath? It's fun, it's written by fans, and I think it has the
possibility of being a good story.

--Helen

"It's easy to dance to." (Get well soon Dick Clark!)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
>
> I"m glad you liked it
> what was it you liked the most?
> and what part interests you of the new comic strip?
>
>
> > I don't think that I commented on this before, but I like the
> > strip! www.hoknes.com/apetruth.htm . I'm definitely interested
to
> > see how it unfolds!

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I just finished strip number 4, and I will have to take it to a large copier to put it on a 8x11 sheet. I should have number 5 done in one or two days.

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The Sci-Fi Channel is showing 8 episodes of "Planet of the Apes" in
their daytime rotation on February 7, 2005.

They're also showing three of the movies in January:

01/08/2005 03:00 AM MOVIE PLANET OF THE APES
01/25/2005 03:00 AM MOVIE ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES
01/30/2005 03:00 AM MOVIE BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES

Hunter

The homepage is great! Nice work, whoever gets credit for this.

--Helen

Thanks for the info Hunter. I've added this all to the group
calendar.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
>
> The Sci-Fi Channel is showing 8 episodes of "Planet of the Apes" in
> their daytime rotation on February 7, 2005.
>
> They're also showing three of the movies in January:
>
> 01/08/2005 03:00 AM MOVIE PLANET OF THE APES
> 01/25/2005 03:00 AM MOVIE ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF
THE APES
> 01/30/2005 03:00 AM MOVIE BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE
APES
>
> Hunter

Thanks Helen. I hope everyone gets the joke.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
>
> The homepage is great! Nice work, whoever gets credit for this.
>
> --Helen

Just surfed thru the group's homepage and totally
laughed my arse off!! Great spoof on two cool shows!

=====
BUCKLE UP. IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THE ALIENS TO SNATCH YOU FROM YOUR CAR.


test'; ">




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I wanted to welcome all our new members. There seems to be a steady
stream of them these days.

Please all free free to check out the groups resources including the
Files and Database sections.

A big thank you goes out to new member Dghprobe for uploading:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Audio/770906_CBSLateApes1.mp3
Just a little bit of POTA nostalgia. Thanks so much Dghprobe for
sharing that with us.

Dghprobe be sure to check out the TV ADS page in the Art & Info
section of the groups Website:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm

All members are welcome to upload files to either the Files or
Photos section. Those with artistic talent can add to the Fan Art
folder: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PotaFanArt/.
All entries will be included in "The Art Gallery". Those who are
writers can upload their works to either the Fan Ficton folder here
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/FanFiction/ or to
the Fan Fiction Sub Group
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaFanFiction

Once again welcome everyone.

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I got an ad from Fox in my email

for Sideways.  It supposedly good

I may have to check it out as well.

 

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I think all of the fanfic comics from both groups are drawn well and I enjoy looking at them and reading them.

I wish I could say the same...

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"Get your trike off me you damned dirty ape!"

~~~Calculon of Futurama watching the Ape Fights~~~~

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: taebokitti@... [taebokitti@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: The Truth

What I like about "The Truth" is that there is some mystery here that will keep me reading it. But the main thing with comics for me is the artwork and I look at the drawings first, then absorb the story. I think all of the fanfic comics from both groups are drawn well and I enjoy looking at them and reading them. Elaine

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In a message dated 1/5/2005 9:36:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I don't think anybody wants a sugar coated lie do they?

Yes please . . . are they tasty?

 

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Hi James,

Thanks for the welcome and thanks to Dghprobe for the audio file, it was
great to hear that, as we did'nt have that promo over here in the UK.

I love the new homepage pic too!!

Yours Truly 2005,

Kuiama.

ELO - Time Prologue -

Just On The Border Of Your Waking Mind,
There Lies Another Time
Where Darkness And Light Are One,
And As You Tread The Halls Of Sanity
You Feel So Glad To Be Unable To Go Beyond.

I Have A Message From Another Time.

Copyright Jeff Lynne 1981.

From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>

I wanted to welcome all our new members. There seems to be a steady
stream of them these days.

Please all free free to check out the groups resources including the
Files and Database sections.

A big thank you goes out to new member Dghprobe for uploading:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Audio/770906_CBSLateApes1.mp3

Just a little bit of POTA nostalgia. Thanks so much Dghprobe for
sharing that with us.

Dghprobe be sure to check out the TV ADS page in the Art & Info
section of the groups Website:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm

All members are welcome to upload files to either the Files or
Photos section. Those with artistic talent can add to the Fan Art
folder: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PotaFanArt/.
All entries will be included in "The Art Gallery". Those who are
writers can upload their works to either the Fan Ficton folder here
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/FanFiction/ or to
the Fan Fiction Sub Group
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaFanFiction

Once again welcome everyone.

> In a message dated 1/5/2005 9:36:25 A.M. Central
> Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@... writes:
>
> I don't think anybody wants a sugar coated lie do
> they?

Can we get them in Splenda-coated for those of us
watching our figures?

=====
BUCKLE UP. IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THE ALIENS TO SNATCH YOU FROM YOUR CAR.


test'; ">



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I think I may have come up with a theory of the carpetbag that might
satisfy everyone. I know some didn't think the style was consistant
with what was presented about ape culture seen in Planet and
Beneath. But others felt is was undeniably Zira's property.
Well my theory goes as follows. We all know that Cornelius was an
Archaeologist. Surely his trip to the Forbidden Zone was not the one
and only dig he ever went on. Maybe in an earlier dig somewhere
else, he found the carpetbag in a sealed chamber or perhaps a time
capsule. Since the it was not an artifact of high scientific
interest, he gave the carpetbag to Zira who lovingly restored it.
Thus, while not consistant with Ape culture it was a treasured
possesion of Zira's.
Well that's my theory. What does everyone thing?

I don't see why that doesn't work. It would be treasured as an
antique, and extra special because Cornelius had found it. That
would be good enough reason to take it on the trip.

--Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> I think I may have come up with a theory of the carpetbag that
might
> satisfy everyone. I know some didn't think the style was
consistant
> with what was presented about ape culture seen in Planet and
> Beneath. But others felt is was undeniably Zira's property.
> Well my theory goes as follows. We all know that Cornelius was an
> Archaeologist. Surely his trip to the Forbidden Zone was not the
one
> and only dig he ever went on. Maybe in an earlier dig somewhere
> else, he found the carpetbag in a sealed chamber or perhaps a time
> capsule. Since the it was not an artifact of high scientific
> interest, he gave the carpetbag to Zira who lovingly restored it.
> Thus, while not consistant with Ape culture it was a treasured
> possesion of Zira's.
> Well that's my theory. What does everyone thing?

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In a message dated 1/5/2005 9:16:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Well that's my theory. What does everyone thing?

 

I thing it works.

 

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Welcome again Kuiama. Please tell us more about yourself. How did
you first become a POTA fan? Which is your favorite film or version
of POTA?

Please feel free to explore the group's resources.

Also, to you or any other member from the UK. On the TV Ads page of
the Group Website, we only have US TV Guide ads from the films
original network airings here. I'd love to include ads from the UK
as well. So if anyone has some and would be willing to scan them
please send them to me. Thanks.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, kuiama1973@a... wrote:
>
> Hi James,
>
> Thanks for the welcome and thanks to Dghprobe for the audio file,
it was
> great to hear that, as we did'nt have that promo over here in the
UK.
>
> I love the new homepage pic too!!
>
> Yours Truly 2005,
>
> Kuiama.
>

Thanks T & Helen. However, I'm waiting for someone to find the hole
in the theory. Cougar you out there;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> I thing it works.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/5/2005 9:16:42 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Maybe in an earlier dig somewhere else, he found the carpetbag in a sealed chamber or perhaps a time capsule. Since the it was not an artifact of high scientific interest, he gave the carpetbag to Zira who lovingly restored it.
Thus, while not consistent with Ape culture it was a treasured possession of Zira's.
Well, that's my theory. What does everyone think?

I think that bag of her's is as big as a timecapsule... It couldn't be held in one!!!

Anyway, I don't believe in the sealed vault theory... Who in their right mind would preserve something like that, rather than using the "sealed vaults" to contain something valuable or scientific... And if the bag was hypothetically sealed in an airtight/vacuum sealed vault (like the projector in "The Legacy") it wouldn't need to be restored, it would be in the condition it was in when placed into it...

I just don't buy it... I mean Cornelius was lucky to have found what he did in the cave they were in in PLANET... He probably never made it far enough to have reached any ruins of Man... (By that I mean he never was able to explore the ruined cities, because if he did, he would have found a treasure trove of goods... Things which would have made the things found in the cave pale by comparison... And what he would have found would not have included badly chosen bags from the props department...)

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You make some good points and my theory is a bit of a stretch. But
consider a few things. Timecapsules can come in many different sizes
for one. Also, it doesn't have to be something from a major human
city. It could be something from a small rural town. (Thus, not in
the Forbidden Zone.) Maybe one that around cira 1900 was celebrating
the centenial of its founding. The residents of the town put in
several innocuous items that represented their daily life including
the carpetbag. They then buried the timecapsule intending for it to
be dug up for the town's bicentenial in 2000. But either the town
died in the '30s depression or it was destroyed in the late-20th
century nuclear war.
Either way the timecapsule was forgotten about until Cornelius dug
it up 2000 years later.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> I think that bag of her's is as big as a timecapsule... It
couldn't be held
> in one!!!
>
> Anyway, I don't believe in the sealed vault theory... Who in their
right mind
> would preserve something like that, rather than using the "sealed
vaults" to
> contain something valuable or scientific... And if the bag was
hypothetically
> sealed in an airtight/vacuum sealed vault (like the projector
in "The Legacy")
> it wouldn't need to be restored, it would be in the condition it
was in when
> placed into it...
>
> I just don't buy it... I mean Cornelius was lucky to have found
what he did
> in the cave they were in in PLANET... He probably never made it
far enough to
> have reached any ruins of Man... (By that I mean he never was able
to explore
> the ruined cities, because if he did, he would have found a
treasure trove of
> goods... Things which would have made the things found in the cave
pale by
> comparison... And what he would have found would not have included
badly chosen
> bags from the props department...)

Easily. Suppose that the town employed a lot of people in the
luggage industry and they were best known for making that type of
bag? Surely they would put that in a time capsule!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
It could be something from a small rural town. (Thus, not in
> the Forbidden Zone.) Maybe one that around cira 1900 was
celebrating
> the centenial of its founding. The residents of the town put in
> several innocuous items that represented their daily life
including
> the carpetbag. They then buried the timecapsule intending for it
to
> be dug up for the town's bicentenial in 2000. But either the town
> died in the '30s depression or it was destroyed in the late-20th
> century nuclear war.
> Either way the timecapsule was forgotten about until Cornelius dug
> it up 2000 years later.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> >
> > I think that bag of her's is as big as a timecapsule... It
> couldn't be held
> > in one!!!
> >
> >
> > I just don't buy it... I mean Cornelius was lucky to have found
> what he did
> > in the cave they were in in PLANET... He probably never made it
> far enough to
> > have reached any ruins of Man... (By that I mean he never was
able
> to explore
> > the ruined cities, because if he did, he would have found a
> treasure trove of
> > goods... Things which would have made the things found in the
cave
> pale by
> > comparison... And what he would have found would not have
included
> badly chosen
> > bags from the props department...)

Exactly. It could have been the town of Samsonite. :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Easily. Suppose that the town employed a lot of people in the
> luggage industry and they were best known for making that type of
> bag? Surely they would put that in a time capsule!
>
>

I believe you have something there James:

http://suncoastprimates.org/tourister_opt.jpg

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> Exactly. It could have been the town of Samsonite. :-)

Greetings,
Well here is my Question Although POTA is my Fave Film of all time
I've yet to EVER know What was the Purpose of the Scarecrows that
Taylor and Crew Discover Early in the First Film? I mean was it an
Ape Device to Scare off Humans? or Perhaps the Humans of an Earlier
more Civlized Socitey were Using them to Warn OTHER Humans that Apes
were in the Area? I guess this seems like a Dumb Question But This
has REALLY Puzzeled me for Years! I'm still workin' on this Beautiful
Resin Kit I'm gonna try to send some Pics I Think you guys will enjoy!

JOHN/LONFAN

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In a message dated 1/6/2005 9:29:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Either way the timecapsule was forgotten about until Cornelius dug
it up 2000 years later.

It could be possible that in spite of the trial

he kept on looking for dig sites and artifacts

 

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In a message dated 1/5/2005 10:16:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I think I may have come up with a theory of the carpetbag that might
satisfy everyone. I know some didn't think the style was consistant
with what was presented about ape culture seen in Planet and
Beneath. But others felt is was undeniably Zira's property.
Well my theory goes as follows. We all know that Cornelius was an
Archaeologist. Surely his trip to the Forbidden Zone was not the one
and only dig he ever went on. Maybe in an earlier dig somewhere
else, he found the carpetbag in a sealed chamber or perhaps a time
capsule. Since the it was not an artifact of high scientific
interest, he gave the carpetbag to Zira who lovingly restored it.
Thus, while not consistant with Ape culture it was a treasured
possesion of Zira's.
Well that's my theory. What does everyone thing?

It's a good theory-as good as my "possession of Stewart's" if not better.

Bruce

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "branchbrood"
<branchbrood93@j...> wrote:
What was the Purpose of the Scarecrows?

Hi John,

In the shooting script Lucius asks "Those scarecrows... who put
them up?" To which Zira replies, "The hunt club."

"To scare off humans?"

To scare us too, we're entering the Forbidden Zone now."

There don't appear to be any scarecrows in the cornfields so
they would indeed appear to be for marking borders - not for crop
protection.

Dave B

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In a message dated 1/6/2005 10:29:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

You make some good points and my theory is a bit of a stretch. But
consider a few things. Timecapsules can come in many different sizes
for one. Also, it doesn't have to be something from a major human
city. It could be something from a small rural town. (Thus, not in
the Forbidden Zone.) Maybe one that around cira 1900 was celebrating
the centenial of its founding. The residents of the town put in
several innocuous items that represented their daily life including
the carpetbag. They then buried the timecapsule intending for it to
be dug up for the town's bicentenial in 2000. But either the town
died in the '30s depression or it was destroyed in the late-20th
century nuclear war.
Either way the timecapsule was forgotten about until Cornelius dug
it up 2000 years later.

You folks are amazing! You've made me think about POTA and its spawns in ways I never have before- these flights into fancy really make my imagination work overtime!

Bruce

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From: "James" JamesA1102@...

>Welcome again Kuiama. Please tell us more about yourself. How did
>you first become a POTA fan? Which is your favorite film or version
>of POTA?

Thanks James. OK, a bit about me. I am 36 years old and I first saw the TV
Series of POTA when they re-ran them in the late 70's. I found the concept of
Apes ruling our Planet in the future a very interesting one. I have always
been inspired by music and TV that is innovative, and I looked upon POTA as
such.

The first film I saw was "Conquest" when it came out in the cinema. This
was'nt exactly by choice and I did'nt actually know that it was a carry on from
other films.

I went to Boarding School and they took us to the cinema to see a film every
now and again, that is how I got to see it, and I really enjoyed it, even
though I did'nt know the whole background of the story. I suppose this is my
fave film, due to the nostalgic feel it has for me.

>Please feel free to explore the group's resources.

I sure will! Thanks :-)

>Also, to you or any other member from the UK. On the TV Ads page of
>the Group Website, we only have US TV Guide ads from the films
>original network airings here. I'd love to include ads from the UK
>as well. So if anyone has some and would be willing to scan them
>please send them to me. Thanks.

I wish I did have some, but sadly I hav'nt, but if I come across any in the
future I will scan them in for you.

Yours Truly 2005,

Kuiama.

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What was the Purpose of the Scarecrows that
Taylor and Crew Discover Early in the First Film?

The scarecrows were to mark the "entrance" of the Forbidden Zone...

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Hilarious!!! Best home page spoof to date!

Well it's good to have you aboard. And I can relate to what you say
about Conquest. Although I saw all the films when they were first
released, due to the ending of Escape, Conquest was the first I had
to anticipate and wait for.
BTW we have a number of members from the UK mainly in Londan. What
part are you from?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, kuiama1973@a... wrote:
>
> Thanks James. OK, a bit about me. I am 36 years old and I first
saw the TV
> Series of POTA when they re-ran them in the late 70's. I found the
concept of
> Apes ruling our Planet in the future a very interesting one. I
have always
> been inspired by music and TV that is innovative, and I looked
upon POTA as
> such.
>
> The first film I saw was "Conquest" when it came out in the
cinema. This
> was'nt exactly by choice and I did'nt actually know that it was a
carry on from
> other films.
>
> I went to Boarding School and they took us to the cinema to see a
film every
> now and again, that is how I got to see it, and I really enjoyed
it, even
> though I did'nt know the whole background of the story. I suppose
this is my
> fave film, due to the nostalgic feel it has for me.
>
> I sure will! Thanks :-)
>
> I wish I did have some, but sadly I hav'nt, but if I come across
any in the
> future I will scan them in for you.
>
> Yours Truly 2005,
>
> Kuiama.

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There's a trading card that reflects this:

Just to remind everyone, including the new member, the full set of 1968 Topps cards are available in the Art & Info section of the group website. The full Archives set is there too including all the special chase cards in addition to the core 90 card set.

 

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/6/2005 2:01:43 PM Central Standard Time,
>

face="Courier New">branchbrood93@j... writes:

>
> > What was the Purpose of the Scarecrows that
> > Taylor and Crew Discover Early in the First Film?
>
>

The scarecrows were to mark the "entrance" of the Forbidden Zone...

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Thanks. It's something I had in the back of my head since we figured
out that Central City is very close to the current location of Las
Vegas.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hilarious!!! Best home page spoof to date!

> Just to remind everyone, including the new member, the full set of 1968
> Topps cards are available in the Art & Info section of the group website. The
> full Archives set is there too including all the special chase cards in addition
> to the core 90 card set.

And the TV series cards can be found on my page:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Cards from the Burton film were provided to me by James and will be
added as soon as I can make/find the time to put them up.

Hunter

Thanks to Greg P., Marvel UK issue #12 is now available:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter

Thanks but the credit for the 2001 cards should really go to Glen. I
had hoped to include them here but we ran out of space. I'm glad
that they'll soon have a home on Hunter's wonderful site.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
>
> And the TV series cards can be found on my page:
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Cards from the Burton film were provided to me by James and will be
> added as soon as I can make/find the time to put them up.
>
> Hunter

Love the Home page Pack! Did I read somewhere that Sammy Davis Junior
was an Apes fan and said the first movie was one of the best films
he's seen about racism? Can I suggest Ursus as Sinatra --'Regrets,
I've had a few...but invading the Forbidden Zone was probably the
biggest' and Deano as Cornelius crooning 'That's Amore' at Zira ?
Damn, I'll never be able to watch Beneath properly again! John,
Scrolls.

Sammy Davis also owned the original statue of the Lawgiver (a gift
from Jacobs) and it was in display in his backyard until his death.

Jacobs was very close with many of the Rat Pack members and I think
was even the press agent for a few of them. I believe that in Peter
Lawford's biography it's stated that the first person Lawford called
the day of Marilyn Monroe's death was Arthur Jacobs.

Jacobs first film "What a Way to Go!" is considered an unofficial
Rat Pack film since Shirley Maclaine and Dean Martin both star in
it. (Shirley was considered an honorary member of the pack in those
days.) The film is even discussed in the book "The Rat Pack".

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
>
>
> Love the Home page Pack! Did I read somewhere that Sammy Davis
Junior
> was an Apes fan and said the first movie was one of the best films
> he's seen about racism? Can I suggest Ursus as Sinatra --'Regrets,
> I've had a few...but invading the Forbidden Zone was probably the
> biggest' and Deano as Cornelius crooning 'That's Amore' at Zira ?
> Damn, I'll never be able to watch Beneath properly again! John,
> Scrolls.