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In a message dated 1/7/2005 7:38:00 A.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Thanks. It's something I had in the back of my head since we figured
out that Central City is very close to the current location of Las
Vegas.

 

Yeah, it would take a nuclear holocaust and a polar shift

to turn that desert snake pit into a paradise.  On the other

hand, it snowed there today.  Snow and palm trees, go together

like POTA and the Rat Pack.  Not quite a Reeses is it?

 

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In a message dated 1/7/2005 8:11:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

BTW we have a number of members from the UK mainly in Londan. What
part are you from?

 

Londan? Landon?  Oh . . . London!

 

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From: "James" JamesA1102@...

>BTW we have a number of members from the UK mainly in Londan. What
>part are you from?

I am from Plymouth in Devon, well that's where I have lived for nearly 14
years, but I was born in Exeter in Devon and when I saw "Conquest" I was at
Boarding School in a little village called Atherington, which is near Umberleigh
in North Devon, the Cinema was in Barnstaple.

Yours Truly 2005,

Kuiama.

From: Hunter Goatley goathunter@...

>And the TV series cards can be found on my page:

>http://www.goatley.com/pota/

>Hunter

A great Website Hunter, I have just checked it out! You have an awesome
collection!!

Yours Truly 2005,

Kuiama.

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Thanks you to James for the Ape zine.

It looks like a fun read!

 

Thanks again,

T

 

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Planet of the Apes - 1968

Date: Saturday, January 8, 2005
Time: 3:00AM - 5:00AM EST (GMT-05:00)

Sci-Fi Channel

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Thanks T. Glad you like it. Kudos go out to Kass, Glen and Simian Scrolls for putting the TV Herald together.

 

We just the copies out to those who won the TV contest. Soon an announcement will be made on how everyone else can get a copy of the Herald.

 

 

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> Thanks you to James for the Ape zine.
> It looks like a fun

read!

> 
> Thanks again,
>
>

T

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.html.html Who else here has got their Sideshow Zira and Cornelius?  I've opened mine.  I have to say that I continue to be disappointed with the clothes.  I don't understand why they're not more accurate.  The glyphs are very badly done and the one on my Zira figure is upside-down! The Hasbro Zira had the same problem!  What's up with that?  Luckily I can cut it off and then sew it back on the right way, but jeez!  Also, I've cut a quarter of an inch of Cornelius' inner sleeves.  They're just too long, plus I've frayed the cuffs of both figures as they should be, but again something's wrong and that's the color.  Both cuffs should be darker.  It says on the box that these figures are made in China.  Well, someone from Sideshow should go visit China and kick some Asian butt!  Do they hate Apes or something?

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> >http://www.goatley.com/pota/

> A great Website Hunter, I have just checked it out! You have an awesome
> collection!!

Thanks, Kuiama. Most of the credit goes to other people: Greg P.,
Greg#2, James, Michael, Chris, and others.

Hunter

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A great  Website Hunter, I have just checked it out! You have an awesome 
collection!!

Yours Truly 2005,

Kuiama. 

 

YES, I AGREE WITH SHAZ HERE, IT'S AWESOME HUNTER!

 

BY THE WAY, I'M NEW AND FROM PLYMOUTH UK,

 

KAZ.

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Planet of the Apes - 1968

Date: Sunday, January 9, 2005
Time: 3:00AM - 5:00AM EST (GMT-05:00)

Sci-Fi Channel

Welcome! Great to have you aboard Kaz. Be sure to check out the
Group's Website too:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, moviemanduke@a... wrote:

>
> YES, I AGREE WITH SHAZ HERE, IT'S AWESOME HUNTER!
>
> BY THE WAY, I'M NEW AND FROM PLYMOUTH UK,
>
> KAZ.

Hello all
I received my fan based news papaer , "The Ape" and it is awesome. A
excellent job by all who made it.
I do have one issue though, The advertisement for "The Passion of
the Law Giver". Come on guys, that was a bit much wasn't it??
Comparing The Law Giver to Jesus Christ is realy border line. As a
christain and followere of Jesus myself, I found it distatefull.
Other than that, it is a good paper

.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/9/05 3:27:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

Hello all
I received my fan based news papaer , "The Ape" and it is awesome. A
excellent job by all who made it.
I do have one issue though, The advertisement for "The Passion of
the Law Giver". Come on guys, that was a bit much wasn't it??
Comparing The Law Giver to Jesus Christ is realy border line. As a
christain and followere of Jesus myself, I found it distatefull.
Other than that, it is a good paper

What?!!!!  Now I have to get one of these!  How do I get one?

I think it's completely APEpropriate to use the Ape's religion as an analogy to human religious belief, even if it is directed at Christianity, which I'm sure you think is the only one "true" religion on God's earth, but is it?  POTA is all about sticking a pin in such assumptions of one religions superiority to all others and Man's place in the universe.

BENEATH must have driven you ape then, I guess.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/9/2005 2:27:34 PM Central Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

I do have one issue though, the advertisement for "The Passion of
the Lawgiver". Come on guys, that was a bit much wasn't it??

While I have no "real problems" with it, if I had something to critique, it would be the parts in the articles that refer to Yalu as a Councilor... While he did become a Councilor, at the time of Galen's getting involved with the astronauts, etc. he was not elected yet... Since you can assume that "The Interrogation" takes place some time after the astronauts arrival, then Yalu's election would be that much later too... After all, Anne tells Galen that his father has just been elected to the Council...

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That's a good catch and speaks to our overall approach in putting
the Herald together.

We looked at the five film Heralds and noted that some the plot
details were either vague or incorrect. We realized that those
Heralds were most likely put together by people in FOX's promotion
department who had not seen the final films and may have only read
the script or a synopsis.

Since the goal was to produce something that would have been
produced in the summer of 1974, we took the same tack. We assumed
FOX's promotion department would only have the first completed
episode to base it on as well as only a brief synopsis of future or
still in production episodes.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> While I have no "real problems" with it, if I had something to
critique, it
> would be the parts in the articles that refer to Yalu as a
Councilor... While
> he did become a Councilor, at the time of Galen's getting involved
with the
> astronauts, etc. he was not elected yet... Since you can assume
that "The
> Interrogation" takes place some time after the astronauts arrival,
then Yalu's
> election would be that much later too... After all, Anne tells
Galen that his father
> has just been elected to the Council...

Glad you liked it. Regarding "The Passion of the Lawgiver: A Film by
Mel Gibbon" ad. It wasn't meant to compare the Lawgiver with Jesus
Christ or even be a commentary on any religion. It was meant only as
a spoof of a movie.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
<JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:

>
>
> Hello all
> I received my fan based news papaer , "The Ape" and it is awesome.

A

> excellent job by all who made it.
> I do have one issue though, The advertisement for "The Passion of
> the Law Giver". Come on guys, that was a bit much wasn't it??
> Comparing The Law Giver to Jesus Christ is realy border line. As a
> christain and followere of Jesus myself, I found it distatefull.
> Other than that, it is a good paper

I also received my copy the other day. Very cool item- those that
were involved put alot of work in this!

Will there be anymore coming out in the future? Sorry if my
question's already been covered.

Mike

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> I received my copy in today's mail, and all involved did a good job.
Whoever
> gets a copy of this will have a good item added to their collection.

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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
group.

File : /Pierre Boulle - Planet Of The Apes (rtf).doc
Uploaded by : rkid67 <rkid67@...>
Description : Pierre Boulle's Planet of the Apes

You can access this file at the URL:
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To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Regards,

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I didn't see this posted anywhere in the group's files. I'm sure many of us have the book,
but for those who don't, now you do.

Mark

Oh for the record Roy, I had no problem with Beneath either. They
didn't compare the bomb to Jesus; just their god. And when Brent and
is telling Taylor that they worship the bomb, even he knows that it
is a bomb and a false god.

> In a message dated 1/9/05 3:27:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> JLKINSER1970@h... writes:
>
>
> > Hello all
> > I received my fan based news papaer , "The Ape" and it is

awesome. A

> > excellent job by all who made it.
> > I do have one issue though, The advertisement for "The Passion

of

> > the Law Giver". Come on guys, that was a bit much wasn't it??
> > Comparing The Law Giver to Jesus Christ is realy border line. As

a

> > christain and followere of Jesus myself, I found it distatefull.
> > Other than that, it is a good paper
> >
>
> What?!!!! Now I have to get one of these! How do I get one?
>
> I think it's completely APEpropriate to use the Ape's religion as

an analogy

> to human religious belief, even if it is directed at Christianity,

which I'm

> sure you think is the only one "true" religion on God's earth, but

is it? POTA

> is all about sticking a pin in such assumptions of one religions

superiority

> to all others and Man's place in the universe.
>
> BENEATH must have driven you ape then, I guess.
>
> -- Rory

I am not starting a flame war, but yes, I do believe that
Christianity is the only "true religion" if that is what you wish
top call it.
And as far as using Ape religion as an analogy, I could care less.
But I will not allow any one to use Jesus and His passion and
sufffering for me as one with out word on it. Besides, if you want
to be precise, since the Law Giver is just that, the Law Giver and
was never used in the films to represent a god, in my opinion he
would be a type of Moses. To be a "true analogy" would have been a
spoof on the 10 Commandments. It would have been better since Heston
also played Moses

> In a message dated 1/9/05 3:27:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> JLKINSER1970@h... writes:
>
>
> > Hello all
> > I received my fan based news papaer , "The Ape" and it is

awesome. A

> > excellent job by all who made it.
> > I do have one issue though, The advertisement for "The Passion

of

> > the Law Giver". Come on guys, that was a bit much wasn't it??
> > Comparing The Law Giver to Jesus Christ is realy border line. As

a

> > christain and followere of Jesus myself, I found it distatefull.
> > Other than that, it is a good paper
> >
>
> What?!!!! Now I have to get one of these! How do I get one?
>
> I think it's completely APEpropriate to use the Ape's religion as

an analogy

> to human religious belief, even if it is directed at Christianity,

which I'm

> sure you think is the only one "true" religion on God's earth, but

is it? POTA

> is all about sticking a pin in such assumptions of one religions

superiority

> to all others and Man's place in the universe.
>
> BENEATH must have driven you ape then, I guess.
>
> -- Rory

Thanks Mark,
It's great to have the original novel available for members:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Pierre%20Boulle%20-%20Planet%20Of%20The%20Apes%20%28rtf%29.doc

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I didn't see this posted anywhere in the group's files. I'm sure
many of us have the book,
> but for those who don't, now you do.
>
> Mark

You're right "The Ten Commandments" would have been a better
analogy. But "The Passion" was a more current reference.
As I stated earlier, it was not meant to be a religious statement
but a spoof of a movie.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
<JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:

>
>
>
> I am not starting a flame war, but yes, I do believe that
> Christianity is the only "true religion" if that is what you wish
> top call it.
> And as far as using Ape religion as an analogy, I could care less.
> But I will not allow any one to use Jesus and His passion and
> sufffering for me as one with out word on it. Besides, if you want
> to be precise, since the Law Giver is just that, the Law Giver and
> was never used in the films to represent a god, in my opinion he
> would be a type of Moses. To be a "true analogy" would have been a
> spoof on the 10 Commandments. It would have been better since

Heston

> also played Moses
>
>

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In a message dated 1/9/2005 8:41:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

I am not starting a flame war, but yes, I do believe that
Christianity is the only "true religion" if that is what you wish
top call it.

 

Which Christianity?  Catholic?  Protestant? Evangelical?

Charismatic? Fundamentalist?  Quaker, Shaker, Amish?

The Strychnine Drinking Snake Handlers?

 

I tend to believe that all religions are equally right, and equally

wrong.  They all have a piece of the puzzle, and not the whole.

 

I love the South Park where it turns out that the Mormons

were THE true religion. 

All religions believe they are the only true religion.

 

Keep the faith, Baby!

 

Kojak

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I also recieved my copy of the Ape and found the entire thing
entertaining... including the ad for the Passion of the Lawgiver.
Come on guys, let it go. I beleive it was all in fun and that's
o.k. oh, yeah... Hail SATAN! just kidding... freaks.

Thanks T.

Again I'll say that there was no intention to make any religious
statement. We were spoofing a movie and the actor/director who made
it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> Which Christianity? Catholic? Protestant? Evangelical?
> Charismatic? Fundamentalist? Quaker, Shaker, Amish?
> The Strychnine Drinking Snake Handlers?
>
> I tend to believe that all religions are equally right, and
equally
> wrong. They all have a piece of the puzzle, and not the whole.
>
> I love the South Park where it turns out that the Mormons
> were THE true religion.
> All religions believe they are the only true religion.
>
> Keep the faith, Baby!
>
> Kojak

Thanks John. And it was meant all in fun.

Can I ask that this be the last post on the subject and let's get
back to talking about POTA.

To those that have already recieved a copy of the Herald, I'd love
to hear what was you favorite and even least favorite part of it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
>
> I also recieved my copy of the Ape and found the entire thing
> entertaining... including the ad for the Passion of the Lawgiver.
> Come on guys, let it go. I beleive it was all in fun and that's
> o.k. oh, yeah... Hail SATAN! just kidding... freaks.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/9/05 9:41:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

I am not starting a flame war, but yes, I do believe that
Christianity is the only "true religion" if that is what you wish
top call it.
And as far as using Ape religion as an analogy, I could care less.
But I will not allow any one to use Jesus and His passion and
sufffering for me as one with out word on it.

Oh, pish posh!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/9/05 9:54:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

You're right "The Ten Commandments" would have been a better
analogy. But "The Passion" was a more current reference.
As I stated earlier, it was not meant to be a religious statement
but a spoof of a movie.

Yeah, let's get real here... THE PASSION was only a movie!

-- Rory<.html <.html

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"James" wrote:

Welcome! Great to have you aboard Kaz. Be sure to check out the
Group's Website too:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> To those that have already recieved a copy of the Herald, I'd love
> to hear what was you favorite and even least favorite part of it.

I like the novelty of it feeling like it's a paper from an ape world.
Which is the point of it, I know, but all the details and the style
of the articles just adds to that idea. The article about Galen, I can
picture seeing something like this in a real human-world paper about
some criminal on the run ("He was such a quiet fella", neighbors say).
I also dug the other details and humorous bits like the weather
report and the ads.

Maybe when another issue comes along you guys can add some other wacky
things like ape letters to the editor, a politcal comic, etc.

Mike

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In a message dated 1/9/2005 10:03:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Yeah, let's get real here... THE PASSION was only a movie!

I never quite understood the draw on that one...

 

"Yes I'm a Christian, so I must go see our Lord

undergo unspeakable torture of three hours in

realistic widescreen Technicolor."

 

I don't get it.

 

 

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Thanks Mike. Glad you liked it. We definitely took our cues from the original Heralds done for the films back in the late '60s and early '70s.

 

 

 

 

They took a bit of a tongue-in-cheek approach which we tried to recreate.

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:

> I like the novelty of it feeling like it's a paper from an ape

world.

>  Which is the point of it, I know, but all the details and

the style

> of the articles just adds to that idea. The article about

Galen, I can

> picture seeing something like this in a real human-world

paper about

> some criminal on the run ("He was such a quiet fella",

neighbors say).

>  I also dug the other details and humorous bits

like the weather

> report and the ads. 
>
> Maybe when

another issue comes along you guys can add some other wacky

> things like

ape letters to the editor, a politcal comic, etc.

>
>

Mike

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I would like to ask again if we can get back to discussing POTA. The
ad in the Herald was meant to merely be a spoof of a popular film
and not a commentary on anyone's religious or political beliefs. The
ad could have just as easily been a spoof of any another popular
film such as 'Fahrenheit 3955' or 'Meet the Urkos' or 'Spider-Ape 2'
or 'Galen's Eleven', etc., etc., etc.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/9/2005 10:03:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> Haristas@a... writes:
>
> Yeah, let's get real here... THE PASSION was only a movie!
>
>
> I never quite understood the draw on that one...
>
> "Yes I'm a Christian, so I must go see our Lord
> undergo unspeakable torture of three hours in
> realistic widescreen Technicolor."
>
> I don't get it.

I'm sure Glen Scheetz is capable James!

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> There is actually much more to the story. This was just the first
4
> strips. It is projected that the full story (which focuses on the
> Chimpanzee protestors seen in Beneath) will take 30 or more strips
> to complete.
>
> Unfortunately, due to health reasons our artist, Dan, had to back
> out of the project. We released the first strips to see if there
was
> any interest in continuing the story and if there were anyone out
> there with artistic ability that would like to take over those
> duties.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:
> > enjoyed it;
> > nice colors.
> > but is there more? or was the climax where the ape finds zaius
> books?
> >
> > Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> > As a special Xmas gift to all of you the team at Ape Projects /
> Ape Chronicles
> > have put together the beginnings of a new POTA comic strip.
> >
> > We present to you this new story called
> > PLANET OF THE APES - THE TRUTH
> > you can read it and see it at
> >
> > www.hoknes.com/apetruth.htm
> >
> > Let us hear your comments good and bad
> >
> > Wishing you a great Christmas from
> > the team of
> > Terry, Dan, James, Glen
> >
> >
> > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original
> POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading
Cards
> and much, much more...
> >
> >

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-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:40 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zira's "carpet bag"

In a message dated 1/5/2005 9:16:42 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Maybe in an earlier dig somewhere else, he found the carpetbag in a sealed chamber or perhaps a time capsule. Since the it was not an artifact of high scientific interest, he gave the carpetbag to Zira who lovingly restored it.
Thus, while not consistent with Ape culture it was a treasured possession of Zira's.
Well, that's my theory. What does everyone think?

I think that bag of her's is as big as a timecapsule... It couldn't be held in one!!!

Anyway, I don't believe in the sealed vault theory... Who in their right mind would preserve something like that, rather than using the "sealed vaults" to contain something valuable or scientific... And if the bag was hypothetically sealed in an airtight/vacuum sealed vault (like the projector in "The Legacy") it wouldn't need to be restored, it would be in the condition it was in when placed into it...

I just don't buy it... I mean Cornelius was lucky to have found what he did in the cave they were in in PLANET... He probably never made it far enough to have reached any ruins of Man... (By that I mean he never was able to explore the ruined cities, because if he did, he would have found a treasure trove of goods... Things which would have made the things found in the cave pale by comparison... And what he would have found would not have included badly chosen bags from the props department...)

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Thanks Mark.

Over at the POTADG we have been reading it chapter by chapter, and
each of these has accompanied art by Neil Foster (and there is a
cool "solar sail" picture by Glen too).

If anyone is interested, just vist the DG and check out the files.

James, you might want to ask Neil if he would like to give you
permission to place these files on this group too - I'm sure you can
assume Glen would be OK with it!

I'd love to see as many different illustrations of Monkey Planet as
possible and discuss with people why they chose to draw the
characters the way they did (there is very little informaion in the
novel to go on!).

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I didn't see this posted anywhere in the group's files. I'm sure
many of us have the book,
> but for those who don't, now you do.
>
> Mark

You guys should do one for "Return"!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I also received my copy the other day. Very cool item- those that
> were involved put alot of work in this!
>
> Will there be anymore coming out in the future? Sorry if my
> question's already been covered.
>
> Mike
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > I received my copy in today's mail, and all involved did a good
job.
> Whoever
> > gets a copy of this will have a good item added to their
collection.

OK - so you were trying to "produce something that would have been
produced in the summer of 1974" - that refers to a parody of a 2004
Mel Gibson film???????

I'm confused - surely one contradicts the other?

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> That's a good catch and speaks to our overall approach in putting
> the Herald together.
>
> We looked at the five film Heralds and noted that some the plot
> details were either vague or incorrect. We realized that those
> Heralds were most likely put together by people in FOX's promotion
> department who had not seen the final films and may have only read
> the script or a synopsis.
>
> Since the goal was to produce something that would have been
> produced in the summer of 1974, we took the same tack. We assumed
> FOX's promotion department would only have the first completed
> episode to base it on as well as only a brief synopsis of future
or
> still in production episodes.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> >
> > While I have no "real problems" with it, if I had something to
> critique, it
> > would be the parts in the articles that refer to Yalu as a
> Councilor... While
> > he did become a Councilor, at the time of Galen's getting
involved
> with the
> > astronauts, etc. he was not elected yet... Since you can assume
> that "The
> > Interrogation" takes place some time after the astronauts
arrival,
> then Yalu's
> > election would be that much later too... After all, Anne tells
> Galen that his father
> > has just been elected to the Council...

But how does that gel with you trying to produce something that
would have been done in 1974?

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> You're right "The Ten Commandments" would have been a better
> analogy. But "The Passion" was a more current reference.
> As I stated earlier, it was not meant to be a religious statement
> but a spoof of a movie.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
> <JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not starting a flame war, but yes, I do believe that
> > Christianity is the only "true religion" if that is what you
wish
> > top call it.
> > And as far as using Ape religion as an analogy, I could care
less.
> > But I will not allow any one to use Jesus and His passion and
> > sufffering for me as one with out word on it. Besides, if you
want
> > to be precise, since the Law Giver is just that, the Law Giver
and
> > was never used in the films to represent a god, in my opinion he
> > would be a type of Moses. To be a "true analogy" would have been
a
> > spoof on the 10 Commandments. It would have been better since
> Heston
> > also played Moses
> >
> >

It's a shame that after so much obvious effort went into creating The
Ape, the only thing some people are focusing on is a spoof of a Mel
Gibson film on the grounds that it's religiously offensive. Come on,
folks... your religious beliefs are not being attacked, and a sense of
humor is just as important as religious tolerance. Like it or not, the
Lawgiver IS at the center of ape religion -- that much is clear in the
first
film when his statue is seen in the church during the funeral, and when
it bleeds in Beneath. Just as the Holy Bomb has supplanted God in
the mutants' religion, the Lawgiver has supplanted Christ in ape
religion, so the use of the Passion ad was entirely ape-propriate (and
darn funny, I might add.... Mel Gibbon... LOL).


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I too think it is HILARIOUS!

I have been on the phone to Neil Foster and the pair of us were
giggling like school girls!

He he heee!

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
>
>
> I also recieved my copy of the Ape and found the entire thing
> entertaining... including the ad for the Passion of the Lawgiver.
> Come on guys, let it go. I beleive it was all in fun and that's
> o.k. oh, yeah... Hail SATAN! just kidding... freaks.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/10/2005 8:19:24 AM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

You guys should do one for "Return"!

Just think, if they did do one for RETURN, it'd be the only "accurate" APES setting to have a newspaper like that... In reality, the Apes in Ape City or Central City wouldn't be printing newspapers like that (they barely make books and their scrolls all appear to be hand written), but in RETURN, there is that newspaper chimp, and newspapers with headlines... RETURN would be the right place to do one...

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/10/2005 8:20:07 AM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

But how does that gel with you trying to produce something that
would have been done in 1974?

I think their ad parodies were just intended to be something that is reminiscent of the type of ads in the original APE papers... And the way that I took his comment about doing "something that would have been done in 1974" was that they took the approach of inaccuracy that might have occurred because of lack of TV material they would have had to work with in summer 1974 before the show was aired and more episodes filmed...

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Oh for the record Roy, I had no problem with Beneath either. They
didn't compare the bomb to Jesus; just their god. And when Brent and
is telling Taylor that they worship the bomb, even he knows that it
is a bomb and a false god.

go vegetarian!

That's exactly right Cougar. As far as the more humous stuff, like
the 'Dumb Humans' article or the 'MasterCard' spoof on the back
page, we kept the references more contemporary. I mean who would
know what a MasterCard ad from 1974 looked like anyway. And even if
they did would anyone else get the joke?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> I think their ad parodies were just intended to be something that
is
> reminiscent of the type of ads in the original APE papers... And
the way that I took
> his comment about doing "something that would have been done in
1974" was that
> they took the approach of inaccuracy that might have occurred
because of lack
> of TV material they would have had to work with in summer 1974
before the show
> was aired and more episodes filmed...

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giggling like schoolgirls?

the suspicions about neil N U must be right

good that U 2 can talk about it publicly now

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:


I too think it is HILARIOUS!

I have been on the phone to Neil Foster and the pair of us were
giggling like school girls!

He he heee!

Michael


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
>
>
> I also recieved my copy of the Ape and found the entire thing
> entertaining... including the ad for the Passion of the Lawgiver.
> Come on guys, let it go. I beleive it was all in fun and that's
> o.k.   oh, yeah... Hail SATAN!  just kidding... freaks.



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Thanks Elaine. If anyone that hasn't voted wants to, the poll is
here:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=1569138

Also, to read the first chapter of the story Elaine is writing go
here:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/FanFiction/After%20the%20Battle%20of%20the%20Planet%20of%20the%20Apes.doc

I'm sure everyone will enjoy it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Just to remind everyone that the baby poll is ending tomorrow. So
far it
> looks like Lisa will have twins, a boy and a girl. Elaine

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Wright King's Birthday� �

Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2005
Time: All Day

It's that time of year when I clean up my hard drive and I'm coming across all
sorts of partially complete and abandoned ideas.

In the files section, in a folder named 'Fanfic' you will find a pitch for a comic
that was intended to fuse the ideas of POTA with those of the Italian Western.
It's essentailly a cross -over which is why it isn't too successful and why I was
never really happy with it.

It is what it is - 'nuff said!

More to follow over the next few days.

Dave B

Another upload to the files. This time a short story for Simian Scrolls that was
never used.

Dave B

Thanks so much Dave. The two stories uploaded by Dave can be
accessed at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/FanFiction/Border%20Patrol

and

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/FanFiction/Road%20to%20hell

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
>
>
> It's that time of year when I clean up my hard drive and I'm
coming across all
> sorts of partially complete and abandoned ideas.
>
> In the files section, in a folder named 'Fanfic' you will find a
pitch for a comic
> that was intended to fuse the ideas of POTA with those of the
Italian Western.
> It's essentailly a cross -over which is why it isn't too
successful and why I was
> never really happy with it.
>
> It is what it is - 'nuff said!
>
> More to follow over the next few days.
>
> Dave B

A colorized version of Glen's superb Wanda illustration has been
added to the Fan art file.

Dave

3 pix added to 'MISC' in the photos.

Sorry, I have no idea where these came from or whom to credit. If
anyone objects to any of them being posted I'm sure they can be
removed right away.

Dave

Issue 521 of The Fantastic Four comic reveals the true name of the
regular bad guy, Galactus, which is.....Galen! Wonder if Mark Waid,
the writer, is an Apes fan? John, Scrolls.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Wright King's Birthday   

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Time: All Day








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go vegetarian!

Here's a hint:
"They stink and carry communicable diseases"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> my usual question:
> who?
>
> pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Wright King's Birthday
>
> Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2005
> Time: All Day
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/
MainPage.htm for Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos,
Trading Cards and much, much more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> go vegetarian!
>
>
> ---------------------------------

Thanks Dave. The colorized version is now available in The Art
Gallery.
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
>
>
> A colorized version of Glen's superb Wanda illustration has been
> added to the Fan art file.
>
> Dave

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Thanks Dave. These are interesting drawings,

 

 

 

 

Does anyone have any info about these?

 

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:

>
>
> 3 pix added to 'MISC' in the photos.
>
> Sorry, I have no idea where these came from or whom to credit. If
> anyone objects to any of them being posted I'm sure they can be
> removed right away.
>
>

Dave

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I know someone was asking about this a while back but I just saw a new folder in the Photos section titled Escape Lost Footage: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/lst?.dir=/Escape+Lost+Footage&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/

 

Thanks to John K (aka Luke the Drifter) for uploading all these great pics.

 

 

 

Plus this great comic:

 

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In a message dated 1/11/2005 11:50:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, rkid67@... writes:

Here's a hint:
"They stink and carry communicable diseases"

He was also in Streetcar with Kim.

 

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In a message dated 1/11/2005 1:30:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I know someone was asking about this a while back but I just saw a new folder in the Photos section titled Escape Lost Footage: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/lst?.dir=/Escape+Lost+Footage&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/

 

Thanks to John K (aka Luke the Drifter) for uploading all these great pics.

 

They are amazing? Can I ask where they are from (the photos that is)?

Bruce

<.html

In the 1st picture, titled "Inside the ship", what is the picture on
top? Was that a filmed scene of Milo on the rock finding the ship
washed up on shore? If so, what is the with the modern looking boat
in the background?
I knew that they had filmed a deleted scene of the Ape-o-nauts inside
the ship, but not any scenes of Milo finding the ship.

-Ray

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, JamesA1102@a... wrote:
> I know someone was asking about this a while back but I just saw a
new
> folder in the Photos section titled Escape Lost Footage:
>
_http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/lst?.dir=/Escape+Lost+Foota
ge&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=ht
> tp%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/_
>
(http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/lst?.dir=/Escape+Lost+Foota
ge&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http://briefcase.yahoo.c
> om/)
>

That picture is just a snap of the 3 Apes inside of the ship and the
other pic is from the film when they are bringing ths ship ashore at
the start of the movie.
To my knowledge, no footage was ever shot of Milo finding the ship.
The comic I added of Milo finding the ship was a pic I found on the
net some time ago.

>
>
> In the 1st picture, titled "Inside the ship", what is the picture

on

> top? Was that a filmed scene of Milo on the rock finding the ship
> washed up on shore? If so, what is the with the modern looking

boat

> in the background?
> I knew that they had filmed a deleted scene of the Ape-o-nauts

inside

> the ship, but not any scenes of Milo finding the ship.
>
> -Ray
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, JamesA1102@a... wrote:
> > I know someone was asking about this a while back but I just saw

a

> new
> > folder in the Photos section titled Escape Lost Footage:
> >
>

_http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/lst?.dir=/Escape+Lost+Foot
a

> ge&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=ht
> > tp%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/_
> >
>

(http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/lst?.dir=/Escape+Lost+Foot
a

> ge&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http://briefcase.yahoo.c
> > om/)
> >

I found the pictures just messing around on the net.
From what I read a long time ago, footage was shot of the apes
inside of the ship and seeing the Earth destroyed. This footage was
filmed but due to lack of budget and special effects of the day, was
scrapped.
If you look at you Conquest of the Planet of the Apes DVD real close
on the Conquest trailer, you will also see some of the footage
delted from Conquest as well. There is one scene I think in the
trailer where one of the apes turns the flame thrower on the human
during the riot.
It is too bad Fox doesn't take all of this deleted material and put
it back into the films and restore them. I would have rather them
done that and re-released them at the theaters instead on the Burton
thing.

>
> In a message dated 1/11/2005 1:30:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
> I know someone was asking about this a while back but I just saw

a new

> folder in the Photos section titled Escape Lost Footage:
>

_http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/lst?.dir=/Escape+Lost+Foot
age&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=ht

> tp%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/_
>

(http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/lst?.dir=/Escape+Lost+Foot
age&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http://briefcase.yahoo.c

> om/)
>
> Thanks to John K (aka Luke the Drifter) for uploading all these

great pics.

>
>
>
>
> They are amazing? Can I ask where they are from (the photos that

is)?

> Bruce

Has any one heard what Ape figures Side Show will be doing next
after this line is completed?
I emailed them several months ago and asked and they never replied.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/11/05 10:40:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

Has any one heard what Ape figures Side Show will be doing next
after this line is completed?
I emailed them several months ago and asked and they never replied.

I would imagine it all depends on how well they sell.

I got an email today from Sideshow that one of the gorillas has been shipped to me.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/11/2005 11:49:48 AM Central Standard Time, brindlepit2002@... writes:

my usual question:
who?

Dr. Galen from the original PLANET...

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/11/2005 3:56:34 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Here's a hint:
"They stink and carry communicable diseases"

He was also in Streetcar with Kim.


And his son was in the episode "The Horserace"...<.html <.html

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Ron Harper's Birthday� �

Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Time: All Day

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52" <JLKINSER1970@h...>
wrote:

>
>
> Has any one heard what Ape figures Side Show will be doing next
> after this line is completed?
> I emailed them several months ago and asked and they never replied.

I heard a rumor on a Sideshow message board that there will be an
upcoming Brent. This bodes well (If it's true) for more characters
from Beneath, especially General Ursus. His uniform was always my
favorite. That's one figure I would LOVE to have.

If they make more figures from Beneath I would imagine they'd also
make a Mutant.
Maybe another exclusive Gorilla. This one could be an "Invading Army"
Gorilla. Probably with a backpack, submachine gun, horn, and/or flag?

Of course they could get silly and give us Ursus and Zaius dressed in
towels!

-Ray

> last summer i was able to purchase the power record version of escape.

Just a reminder to everyone that Flash versions of the Power Record
releases can be found on my web page:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

In the Flash version, the pages are synched with the audio.

Hunter

> last summer i was able to purchase the power record version of escape.

Just a reminder to everyone that Flash versions of the Power Record
releases can be found on my web page:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

In the Flash version, the pages are synched with the audio.

Hunter





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go vegetarian!

Tomorrow is a big day in POTA history. Does anyone know what it is?
(And don't cheat by looking at the group calendar.)

I've got it!!!

I thought it was the day the shopping sequence (Escape) was shot,
but I was wrong!! That was the 11th of January. But when I
realized I was close... ha ha ha... I found it! The 14th and 15th
they shot the scenes in the President's office -- when they formed
the commission of inquiry and clamped down on ape security!

Oh...

That isn't what you are looking for??? Am I close? I didn't cheat!

:O

--Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> Tomorrow is a big day in POTA history. Does anyone know what it is?
> (And don't cheat by looking at the group calendar.)

What suspicions?

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ColGTaylor@a... wrote:
> giggling like schoolgirls?
>
> the suspicions about neil N U must be right
> good that U 2 can talk about it publicly now
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...>
> wrote:
>
>
> I too think it is HILARIOUS!
>
> I have been on the phone to Neil Foster and the pair of us were
> giggling like school girls!
>
> He he heee!
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I also recieved my copy of the Ape and found the entire thing
> > entertaining... including the ad for the Passion of the
Lawgiver.
> > Come on guys, let it go. I beleive it was all in fun and that's
> > o.k. oh, yeah... Hail SATAN! just kidding... freaks.
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
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> more...
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Thanks to Greg P., Marvel UK issue #13 is now available from my page.

Thanks to Greg P. and Dave B., two different high-quality versions of
artwork for the 2-disc "Return" DVD set is now available under "Misc".

And thanks to John O., a 2005 PotA calendar is available in both
Microsoft Word (created by John) and Adobe PDF (created by me)
formats.

You can find them all on:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter

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-----Original Message-----
From: Hunter Goatley [goathunter@...]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:43 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com; friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel UK #13, Return DVD artwork, calendar available

Thanks to Greg P., Marvel UK issue #13 is now available from my page.

Thanks to Greg P. and Dave B., two different high-quality versions of
artwork for the 2-disc "Return" DVD set is now available under "Misc".

And thanks to John O., a 2005 PotA calendar is available in both
Microsoft Word (created by John) and Adobe PDF (created by me)
formats.

You can find them all on:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

On this day in 1972 Taylor's interstellar flight was launched
from Cape Kennedy

Date: Friday, January 14, 2005
Time: All Day

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:

>
> Thanks to Greg P., Marvel UK issue #13 is now available from my page.

I admire not only Greg's efforts but also his stamina. A big thank you for this
Greg, it's a huge project and takes a lot of dedication.

Hunter... Do you have enough space to host the entire run? (all at once)

> Thanks to Greg P. artwork for the 2-disc "Return" DVD set is now available

under "Misc".

And it's the best I've seen. Any chance of matching labels?

> And thanks to John O., a 2005 PotA calendar is available

Outstanding work, Sir! The image of the Alpha Omega device for December
makes a refreshing change from snow and reindeer :0)

Great work, great site. Thanks
Dave

Three more files have been added to the Fan-Fic folder.

Conquest London. (Monty Python meets POTA)
Monument (Unused comic script)
Crossing over (POTA TV parody/crossover)

More to come...

Dave B

Oh...

That WAS important!!

--Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> On this day in 1972 Taylor's interstellar flight was launched
> from Cape Kennedy
>
> Date: Friday, January 14, 2005
> Time: All Day

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Hunter Goatley wrote:

Thanks to Greg P. and Dave B., two different high-quality versions of
artwork for the 2-disc "Return" DVD set is now available under "Misc".

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> Hunter... Do you have enough space to host the entire run? (all at once)

Yes, I should have.

> > Thanks to Greg P. artwork for the 2-disc "Return" DVD set is now available
> under "Misc".

> And it's the best I've seen. Any chance of matching labels?

I agree! I liked your labels, too, but Greg's are really cool.

Hunter

Is this the cover for the upcoming Simian Scrolls? Very nice,
John! I don't suppose you'd send an extra cover along just so that
I could frame it? It's beautiful!

--Helen

I received the two Gorillas from Sideshow
today....They are the same exact figure...only the
accesories are different......the Gorilla Soldier has
a rifle and club and the Marauder has a whistle and
pole/collar. I think they turned out pretty good
although I know some will have something different to
say!

Tim



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I can't seem to download the Return labels that are listed in Files.
I also tried to access them at Hunter Goatley's site and still
couldn't.
Can anyone help?
Thanks.

-Ray
www.rayalma.com

> I can't seem to download the Return labels that are listed in Files.
> I also tried to access them at Hunter Goatley's site and still
> couldn't.
> Can anyone help?

Why couldn't you? Did they time out? Did you try right-clicking on
the link and choosing "Save as..." or whatever similar option there
is?

Hunter

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Terry Hoknes' Birthday

Date: Saturday, January 15, 2005
Time: All Day

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Happy Birthday Terry!

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HAve a good one TERRY!!!

Tim

--- pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Terry Hoknes' Birthday
>
> Date: Saturday, January 15, 2005
> Time: All Day
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

__________________________________

Thanks so much Dave. All these files can be accessed at:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/FanFiction/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
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> Three more files have been added to the Fan-Fic folder.
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> Conquest London. (Monty Python meets POTA)
> Monument (Unused comic script)
> Crossing over (POTA TV parody/crossover)
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> More to come...
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> Dave B