.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/5/05 11:19:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, joseramonruizdiez@... writes:

I also heard some stories about
two 2001 ape costumes being stolen, some kind of industrial spy
between "2001" and "POTA". I think Chambers and Freeborn have two
different sollutions for two differents problems.

That story is bogus bunk and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't repeat it here!  It's an insult to the memory of John Chambers.

-- Rory<.html <.html

I just got the Sideshow Soldier Ape today (the regular version).
I think he looks great. The head sculpt looks very accurate to me
although some of the details like the facial wrinkles have been
softend from the prototype sculpt that is pictured on the front of
the box.
I picked him up in a comic book store (Amok Time on Long Island, NY)
and I got to pick through a couple of them to find the best one. You
can see a hint of his molars on the right side of his mouth. Some
figures had those teeth painted more promiently than others and
looked a little funny.
The boots look great and are complete with the buckles on the sides.
His leather-like tunic can be removed and he has a full shirt on
underneath. This will make it possible to make a cusom Julius figure.

The gloves are interesting. He has black pleather "cuffs" that taper
at the wrist and molded glove hands to give the illusion of a
gauntlet. The effect works pretty well. They took the time to sculpt
a seem on the inner part of the glove, around the thumb, where it's
less likely to be seen, but neglected to sculpt the seems on the back
of the hand.
The rifle is beautiful. Very detailed. The bolt even pulls back to
reveal an empty chamber.
The club is nice. Maybe a little too long? I'm not sure.
I was a little dissapointed in the horizontal seems on the tunic and
gloves. They aren't raised at all, just two lines of stitching.
I mean, if the crappy Hasbro Gorillas could have raised seems, then
Sideshow could have done it.

For me the worst part of the set is the bandolier. The color looks
all wrong to me (too tan) and it's made from a very cheap material.
It's too bad because the black sculpted "wallets" look great.
I made my own bandolier from some dark brown pleather and used
the "wallets" and "buttons" from the Sideshow bandolier. This looked
much better to me. He now matches the color scheme of the Medicom
Soldier Ape. If I ever get a chance, I'll try and post some pictures.

I put the General's helmet from the Hasbro Ursus on him to see how it
would look. Not too bad. It's a tight fit and it's sculpted so that
the back, bottom edge splays out a little, but if you can push it
down on his head far enough, it's not too noticeable.
So, if they don't get around to making an Ursus, it may be possible
to customize one.

I haven't seen the Exclusive version of the Soldier Ape yet, but I
hear that it's kind of rip off for what you get. I think I can make a
whistle out of some sculpey clay and there is a pole w/a looped
string from a recent G.I.Joe set- "Secret of the Savage Swamp" or
something like that, that can be the "man catcher".

-Ray








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The POTA series only lasted half a season. Unfortunately it was a
victim of network politics. Fred Silverman never wanted the show but
it was forced on him by William Paley's wife. The original time
period was to be Tuesdays at 8PM. However in the Spring of 1974 it
was moved to Fridays at 8PM.

CBS had not had a hit show in the Friday 8PM time period for a
number of years. The two sitcoms that had premiered there in the
Fall of '73 had both failed. But the mid-season replacement 'Good
Times' (a spin-off from 'Maude' and 'All in the Family') had held
its own up against 'Sanford & Son'. 'Chico & the Man' was a new show
for NBC in the Fall of '74 in the 8:30 slot and had a lot of buzz
around it since Freddie Prinze was a hot comic at the time.

The logic of switching POTA's & 'Good Times' time slots was
that 'Good Times' and 'Sanford & Son' appealed to the same ethinc
audience; thus, why spilt that audience. The POTA films had done
well on Fridays, so the TV series was likely to do the same.
So 'Good Times' was moved to the Tuesday 8PM time period,
against 'Happy Days' which had yet to take off as a hit, and the
POTA TV series was moved to Fridays.

While the series did not do well in overall ratings it did very well
with children & teens. But it did not do well with adults,
particularly Adults over 50. CBS at the time didn't feel children
and teens were an attactive audience and went after older Adults (a
decision they are still regreting to this day), thus the POTA TV
series was canceled. The series was replaced with two forgettable
sitcoms that also lasted less than a full season.

Now the question is would the POTA series had done better against
'Happy Days'. 'Good Times' beat it for the first year but then 'Happy
Days' exploded during the '75-'76 TV season. 'Good Times' continued
to limp along for several years, being shuffled around the CBS
schedule starting in 1976, losing audience each & every year till it
was eventually canceled at in the spring of 1979. (Who knows if POTA
had been a hit and forced 'Happy Days' to be canceled, we might have
been spared 'Laverne & Shirley', 'Joanie love Chachi' and numerous
other terrible spin-offs.)

CBS continued to struggle to find a hit for the Friday 8PM slot for
years. Even moving MASH in the fall of 1974 to that slot did no
good. In 1977 CBS scheduled Wonder Woman there to moderate success
mostly due to Redd Foxx walking out of Sanford & Son and Freddie
Prinze committing suicide. Wonder Woman lasted two years in the slot
and was followed there by the Incredible Hulk which was also a
moderate success. CBS didn't have a true hit on Fridays at 8 until
it moved the Dukes of Hazzard, which was already an established hit,
there in 1981.

Now if you look at Burke & Virdon they do resemble Bo & Luke Duke.
So maybe if they gave the astronauts a suped up car, Urko a dopey
deputy, had Zaius wear a white suit and put Galen in cut-offs; the
TV series might have been more successful.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
>
>
> i have learned from this group that tv viewers could choose
between saford and son or the pota tv show.
> when pota was cancelled, what show replaced it?
> and did pota last a season or half a season?
> 
> rob/ron
>









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I AGREE WITH YOU, RORY, AND I,M AFRAID I DON´T EXPLAIN MYSELF WITH
MY SHORT ENGLISH.
I SAY THAT AS A EXAMPLE (PUBLISHED) OF SILLY CONTROVERSY AND FAKE
RUMORS.
I ALSO THINK CHAMBERS IS A GENIUS AND THE INSPIRATION OF A
GENERATION OF MAKE UP ARTIST.

SORRY RORY, I HOPE IF YOU ACCEPT MY APPOLOGIES.

JR

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/5/05 1:13:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, joseramonruizdiez@... writes:

I AGREE WITH YOU, RORY, AND I,M AFRAID I DON´T EXPLAIN MYSELF WITH
MY SHORT ENGLISH.
I SAY THAT AS A EXAMPLE (PUBLISHED) OF SILLY CONTROVERSY AND FAKE
RUMORS.

It's good you know it's a fake story.  I read someplace that Chambers thought 2001 was a piece of crap.  I've also read that Chambers didn't start working on the makeup for APES until January 1967.  By that time, most of 2001 had been shot (in 1966) and was in postproduction.  We have Kubrick to blame for this story.  He saw APES as a rival to his film, something stealing his limelight, and in fact APES got better reviews at first and made a lot more money right away than 2001.

As Chambers once told Arthur P. Jacobs, "Tell Kubrick to go f**k himself!"

By the way, 2001 is my second favorite movie next to PLANET OF THE APES, but this makeup story is bullshit.

-- Rory<.html <.html

Again I agree with you.


JR

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...> wrote:

> > To my surprise and disapointment, it seemed like the majority of
> people were there to laugh at the movie. > -Ray
>

I saw PA68 for the first time in a theatre only two years ago, at a
repertory theatre in Toronto. There were about 25 of us in the
cinema. I also remember a few (but only a few) people guffawing at
some of Heston's lines, especially his monologue in the AF1 space
ship. The line "I feel lonely" (which I think was well played) sent
one guy into giggles. The humour was lost on me. The copy of the
film had blips and pops, and the colour was a bit overexposed.
Nonetheless, I finally got to see a classic POTA movie in the
theatre and it was great!
David.

I have enjoyed hearing the group's opinions on the Sideshow
Collectibles action figuare series. I now have a few of them.
Yesterday, I received my Astronaut Taylor figure. I have to say I'm
disappointed in this one. The head sculpt does not look like Heston.
I'm not quite sure who it reminds me of. I actually looks a bit like
one of the lead characters from Anderson's original Thunderbirds
series.

The doll appears too tall and leggy. The body frame is so lanky that
the figure looks a bit emaciated. The character's arms pivot left
and right, but there is no bend at the elbow.

I'm not too impressed with this guy. On the bright side, my Lawgiver
is en route!

Menluth.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/5/05 5:55:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, menluth@... writes:

The character's arms pivot left
and right, but there is no bend at the elbow.

Actually, there is.  Some of these dolls can be stiff.  Try bending it hard.  It will give.

-- Rory<.html <.html

"If you push something hard enough, it will fall over."
- Fudd's first law of opposition


Where patience fails, force prevails.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/5/05 5:55:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
menluth@y...
> writes:
>
>
> > The character's arms pivot left
> > and right, but there is no bend at the elbow.
> >
>
> Actually, there is. Some of these dolls can be stiff. Try
bending it hard.
> It will give.
>
> -- Rory

Did anyone pre-order the Galen figure? It looked great!

Push the arm harder to make it bend, it will give.
Now, as to the likeness, I think they did a very good job and to me
he looks just like Heston in the opening scene of Planet of the
Apes. But, I do think the figure does look quite pale and the
sleeves of his uniform are too short. But all in all, I am very
pleased with him.
I think this version is MUCH superior to the Medicom Astronaut
Taylor as far as looking like Heston. But, the Sideshow figure is
way to skinny.



In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:

>
>
> I have enjoyed hearing the group's opinions on the Sideshow
> Collectibles action figuare series. I now have a few of them.
> Yesterday, I received my Astronaut Taylor figure. I have to say

I'm

> disappointed in this one. The head sculpt does not look like

Heston.

> I'm not quite sure who it reminds me of. I actually looks a bit

like

> one of the lead characters from Anderson's original Thunderbirds
> series.
>
> The doll appears too tall and leggy. The body frame is so lanky

that

> the figure looks a bit emaciated. The character's arms pivot left
> and right, but there is no bend at the elbow.
>
> I'm not too impressed with this guy. On the bright side, my

Lawgiver

> is en route!
>
> Menluth.

The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Which POTA figures do you prefer?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Medicom, 10 votes, 71.43%
- Sideshow, 4 votes, 28.57%



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What Galen figure????


- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:

>
>
> Did anyone pre-order the Galen figure? It looked great!

In all fairness I think that the Fugative formula helped kill the
show as outlined in Behind the Planet of the Apes. It was a common
out for action shows that the writers really didn't know what else
to do with and with the exception of Incredable Hulk they all
suffered a similar fate.

Another problem was that key elements like 'Ape shall never kill
ape' went out the window and that it occured in its own seperate
little timelime just as had the cartoon series.

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In a message dated 2/6/2005 12:34:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, valwp@... writes:

Monday February 7, 2005
8:00 am - 4:00 pm
This event does not repeat.
Event Location: SciFi Channel
Notes:
8:00 AM (ET) to 4:00 PM (ET) - Escape, Gladiators, Trap, Good Seeds, Legacy, Tide, Surgeon, Deception - Always check your local listings!

 

Kass

I'm off from work tomorrow. Guess we know what I'll be doing all day!

Buce

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Darn.  And I have to be at work during the Apes marathon

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In a message dated 2/6/2005 1:11:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

Darn.  And I have to be at work during the Apes marathon

Considering I have them all on VHS and DVD it's kind of silly to watch edited versions w/commercials on TV but I know I will anyway!

Bruce

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/6/05 1:46:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Considering I have them all on VHS and DVD it's kind of silly to watch edited versions w/commercials on TV but I know I will anyway!
Bruce

Yeah, we can all have POTA marathons any time we wanted.

By the way, one of the authors of POTA REVISITED, Larry Landsman, works at the Sci-Fi Channel now and that's one of the reasons you've been seeing more APES there recently.

-- Rory<.html <.html

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Where can i order the Sideshow figures? And what do they go for? $$$?

 

Tony

 

In a message dated 2/6/2005 3:01:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

What Galen figure????

 

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In a message dated 2/6/2005 2:30:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Yeah, we can all have POTA marathons any time we wanted.

By the way, one of the authors of POTA REVISITED, Larry Landsman, works at the Sci-Fi Channel now and that's one of the reasons you've been seeing more APES there recently.

-- Rory

That explains it...the movies have been on a lot lately as well.

Bruce

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/6/05 2:30:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, kidro85@... writes:

Where can i order the Sideshow figures? And what do they go for? $$$?

Tony

www.amoktime.com    $35 or so.

There is no Sideshow Galen though.  It was another of James' jokes.

-- Rory<.html <.html

It was a joke? But I sent James the money for it because he said he knew where to get it!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/6/05 2:30:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, kidro85@a...
> writes:

> There is no Sideshow Galen though. It was another of James' jokes.
>
> -- Rory

Yeah and about that, your check bounced. The bank says you've been
kiting checks all over the northeast;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
>
>
> It was a joke? But I sent James the money for it because he said
he knew where to get it!
>

Didn't the Medicom Astronaut Taylor look like Dirk the Daring
from "Dragon's Lair" without the helmet?

Just my opinion....


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52" <JLKINSER1970@h...>
wrote:

>
>
> Push the arm harder to make it bend, it will give.
> Now, as to the likeness, I think they did a very good job and to me
> he looks just like Heston in the opening scene of Planet of the
> Apes. But, I do think the figure does look quite pale and the
> sleeves of his uniform are too short. But all in all, I am very
> pleased with him.
> I think this version is MUCH superior to the Medicom Astronaut
> Taylor as far as looking like Heston. But, the Sideshow figure is
> way to skinny.
>
>
>
> In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have enjoyed hearing the group's opinions on the Sideshow
> > Collectibles action figuare series. I now have a few of them.
> > Yesterday, I received my Astronaut Taylor figure. I have to say
> I'm
> > disappointed in this one. The head sculpt does not look like
> Heston.
> > I'm not quite sure who it reminds me of. I actually looks a bit
> like
> > one of the lead characters from Anderson's original Thunderbirds
> > series.
> >
> > The doll appears too tall and leggy. The body frame is so lanky
> that
> > the figure looks a bit emaciated. The character's arms pivot left
> > and right, but there is no bend at the elbow.
> >
> > I'm not too impressed with this guy. On the bright side, my
> Lawgiver
> > is en route!
> >
> > Menluth.

.html I thought that was a joke. Elaine<.html

Thankfully, Sideshow is a relatively small toy company. Mattel and
Hasbro sometimes cater to niche fan groups but tend to over produce
for the line... inevitably choking retailers with it (Who can forget
Hasbro's Apes line... I bought all of the 12" figures for $6 on
clearance!)So Sideshow can manufacture product in small quantities
that can be tailor made for niche groups like Ape fans, Highlander
fans, Buffy fans etc. I think the only lines that truly bombed for
them so far has been "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits"
lines. The fans for those shows were too small to maintain the line.
The last two offerings were combined in a two pack to get rid of them.

I think that initially Sideshow thought that the fan base (or the
merchandise-buying faction of the fan base) for "Planet of the Apes"
was much longer than it was. They had the expectation that the line
would go through the roof. If you will notice, they announced an
amazing 11 items to the "Planet of the Apes" line (2 Zaiuses, 3
Taylors, 2 Gorillas, Cornelius, Zira, Nova and the Lawgiver
statue)... probably the biggest roll out in their history! Usually
they announce anywhere between two to four at a time. For their X-
Files line, they just announce Mulder and Scully. I think that the
roll out for Apes showed their belief in the strength of the line.

However, now I think their expectations are now in line with the
reality of the situation. I think there are just as many people
buying the Apes as there are people buying thier Bond and Classic
Monsters figures. Sideshow has promised a good roll out again with
the Ape line this month at Toy Fair. They have already started with
the announcement of the "Beneath" version of Taylor. So I think an
Ursus, Brent and a Mutant are a lock.

I think we will see plenty of Ape figures in the years to come.
Sideshow reps have stated that their toy lines may vary in the number
of items released during a given year (their Buffy line was on hiatus
for a year or so and is now busier than ever!) but none of their toy
lines never die completely... given that there is still interest in
it. Heck I've even heard there is a possiblity of a Rod Serling
figure to go with the Twight Zone line. Geez, I'd buy one and pose
him with my Apes... perhaps even leaning him up against the Lawgiver
statue!!!

To show Sideshow that you like their line is to simply BUY MORE
APES!!!



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John Brandon Kirtley"
<johnbkirtley@h...> wrote:

> I hope they continue. I would love to see Julius and above all

Ceaser in the chains

> and green jump suit. Asfar as the TV series A Galen and an Urko

would be just dandy.

>
> Hope you are all well.
> John.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray<mailto:ursus3978@a...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com<mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: 05 February 2005 05:13
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Side Shows next Ape Line?
>
>
>
>
> I just today, spoke with a guy selling them

(www.amoktime.com<http://www.amoktime.com/>) and he

> said that he thought they were selling pretty good.
> I have my fingers crossed for them to at least do a few Beneath
> figures.
>
> -Ray
>
> --- In

pota@yahoogroups.com<mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com>, "luke_the_drifter52
" <JLKINSER1970@h<mailto:JLKINSER1970@h>...>

> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well, they must be selling somewhat decent mo matter what he is
> > saying. The new Beneath the Planet of the Apes Taylor is

$50.00.

> ANd
> > there is still only a buy 2 limit on all the Ape figures. I

know, I

> > bought 2 of each one. Even this new Taylor!!!
> > I hope they continue on to do the TV series also.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/6/2005 9:10:02 AM Central Standard Time, BruceG6069@... writes:

Another problem was that key elements like 'Ape shall never kill
ape' went out the window and that it occured in its own seperate
little timelime just as had the cartoon series.

Not true... In the original PLANET, they spoke of "hanging for high treason", and even Cornelius mentions "getting his head chopped off"... They speak/spoke of "capital punishment" in the original movie, just as they spoke of it in the TV series... Being an enemy of the state "is" justification to kill the states enemy, it's not just "killing for the sake of killing"

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/5/2005 11:36:46 PM Central Standard Time, rkid67@... writes:

Did anyone pre-order the Galen figure?  It looked great!

There IS NO Galen figure... It was a HOAX, and even stated so at the bottom of the page...

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Gee, I didn't know that there was a poll! I would have voted for
Sideshow! Recount!

I think that after a year or two of Sideshow releases, you will see
those numbers change.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
> final results:
>
>
> POLL QUESTION: Which POTA figures do you prefer?
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - Medicom, 10 votes, 71.43%
> - Sideshow, 4 votes, 28.57%
>
>
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In a message dated 2/6/2005 11:34:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, valwp@... writes:

Escape, Gladiators, Trap, Good Seeds, Legacy, Tide, Surgeon, Deception

Cool.  The Deception and The Surgeon!  I wish they'd traded one of the others for The Interrogation though.

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In a message dated 2/6/2005 1:30:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, kidro85@... writes:

Where can i order the Sideshow figures? And what do they go for? $$$?

 

I was going to let someone else field this question, but . . .

In light of the Recent Research SNAFU, I would like to take

this opportunity to give a free lesson to the research challenged.

 

When ever a question arises about something,

 

1st.  Go to www.Google.com. 

 

2nd.  Enter the key words you believe will yield the

best search results. 

 

3rd. If you're looking for a PIC click on Images  at the

top of the page. 

 

4th.  If you are looking for the best price on a product,

click on Froogle at the top of the page.

 

I'm not trying to be rude to those of you who think

I'm being insultingly simplistic.  But I do think that

people should do the minimum on their own rather

than relying on others, or before they post false or

misleading statements.

 

I sincerely hope this helps.

 

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Is it me or does the Superbowl seem less super lately.

Maybe it's because since Jones bought them The Cowboys

are lucky to even make the playoffs.  McCartney did a good

set though.   

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Great work guys... and gals!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> With the help of Neil Foster and Kassidy Rae I've started working on card sets for the
sequel films that are in the same style of the original Topps movie set. The first set, for
Beneath the Planet of the Apes, is now available on Hunter's site. Both low-res files for
easy viewing and hi-res files for printing your own set are available.
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Thanks,
> Greg

Anyone else having problems viewing it? I have tried four different browsers and the same
problem occurs: it appears to be in one tiny frame at the top of the page.

I agree. I'm originaly from Mass. and even I wasn't that excited by
this bowl. I also think the half-time show was the high-light. Paul
still rocks!

Try increasing your screen resolution.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Anyone else having problems viewing it? I have tried four
different browsers and the same
> problem occurs: it appears to be in one tiny frame at the top of
the page.

Jeez, I'm using 1920 x 1200 and it still doesn't work. It worked fine earlier. Kass must be
up to her hocus pocus again.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> Try increasing your screen resolution.

Magnificent!

At last the best Apes movie ever made gets the treatment it deserves :0)

From the well chosen images, the wording on the back and right through to
Neil's uncannily authentic artwork. A delightful mix of homage and originality.

Looking forward to others in the series.
Dave B

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Planet of the Apes TV series Marathon

Date: Monday, February 7, 2005
Time: 8:00AM - 4:00PM EST (GMT-05:00)

Sci Fi Channel

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In a message dated 2/6/2005 11:35:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rkid67@... writes:

Great work guys... and gals! 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> With the help of Neil Foster and Kassidy Rae I've started working on card sets for the
sequel films that are in the same style of the original Topps movie set. The first set, for
Beneath the Planet of the Apes, is now available on Hunter's site. Both low-res files for
easy viewing and hi-res files for printing your own set are available.
> 
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
> 
> Thanks,
> Greg

Just finished checking out the cards and they are incredible! I like the wrapper too.

Bruce

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Planet has been shown at the Bryant Park Film Festival the last few
summers. Still being shown in an outdoor park is not the same as a
theater experience. However, I wish they would show Beneath one
summer. Bryant Park is right next to the Public Library. I'm sure
that shot in the film would get a major reaction.
PS Don't make fun of Shatner, he's having a "career renaissance"
according to Entertainment Tonight. DENNY CRANE!!!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> Every time I've seen POTA in a theater it was with an
appreciative crowd.
> Well, the first time, in 1990 it was only me and two other people
in the
> theater! But when I saw "Beneath" there was a lot of laughter at
the film's
> expense. But they are older movies and sensibilities have changed
(I think
> for the worse. I think people expect to laugh these days at
action/sci-fi
> movies. The heroes throw out one-liners. People want a roller
coaster ride,
> they don't want to take ideas seriously. And Heston has become a
caricature
> in the culture with his NRA image. He's an easy target (as is
William
> Shatner, who has turned that to his advantage). - - - Jeff
>

Let me guess, I bet they were a bunch of college students. That's
why I never liked the downtown revival houses. There use to be a
place called the Hollywood Cinema on 8th Ave. in the 40s. I saw all
the Connery Bond films there and the audiences were older & more
into the films.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...> wrote:
>
>
> I got to see the original POTA again, in a movie theater a few
years
> ago. A theater here in downtown NYC was showing it. I went to an
> afternoon show expecting to be one of only 2 or 3 people in the
> theater. I was surprised to find the theater packed! I didn't
think
> that there were that many POTA fans out there other than me.
> Turns out there weren't.
> To my surprise and disapointment, it seemed like the majority of
> people were there to laugh at the movie. For them it was a
shlocky,
> Mystery Science Theater experiance. There were huge peels of
laughter
> after almost every Heston line.
> I was so pissed!
>
> Damn them all to hell.
>
> -Ray
>
>

Let me say I'm very jealous of all of you who've seen any of the
original films on the big screen within the last few years. For me
it has been over 30 years. Damn!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> Funny you should ask. The last time I saw POTA in a theatre was
exactly
> one year ago (Feb. 4) at the Arclight theater. Afterwards there
was a
> discussion with Eric Greene, Mort Abrahams and Buck Kartalian. I
saw it
> about 4 times in the '90's under interesting circumstances. Never
saw it as
> a kid in a theatre. I've also seen "Beneath" and "Escape" in a
theater in
> the '90's, once each. - - - Jeff
>

Topps never got there, Inkworks weren't bad, but Greg has just put
together THE definitive Beneath set.At last, my favourite movie has
the set of cards it deserves.Greg and Neil, great job.Truly, truly
astonishing! I can't wait for Escape! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "bgrubb88005" <BruceG6069@a...> wrote:

>
>
> In all fairness I think that the Fugative formula helped kill the
> show as outlined in Behind the Planet of the Apes. It was a

common

> out for action shows that the writers really didn't know what else
> to do with and with the exception of Incredable Hulk they all
> suffered a similar fate.

I agree with you there. I would rather have seen something like
Burke and Virdon settling down in an Ape village, keeping their
identities secret, yet trying to push Ape society in a more
progressive direction.

>
> Another problem was that key elements like 'Ape shall never kill
> ape' went out the window and that it occured in its own seperate
> little timelime just as had the cartoon series.

Again, I agree. They really didn't pick up any of the lore of the
films and went in their own direction. Things like the Sacred
Scrolls and the Lawgiver are never mentioned. Had the series
continued they may have gotten around to it.

However, whether the TV & Movie series take place in seperate
timelines or universes can be an either/or proposition. Since all
the films, save Escape, take place on the East Coast and the TV
series on the West Coast isolates the TV series from interfering
with the events of the movies. Thus, it may or may not be part of
the same timeline or universe.

Actually, I'm just an accomplice on this one. The pic of the Galen
figure was done by Mark.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> There is no Sideshow Galen though. It was another of James' jokes.
>
> -- Rory

Call in sick.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@a... wrote:
> Darn. And I have to be at work during the Apes marathon

Let me guess, I bet they were a bunch of college students. That's
why I never liked the downtown revival houses. There use to be a
place called the Hollywood Cinema on 8th Ave. in the 40s. I saw all
the Connery Bond films there and the audiences were older & more
into the films.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...> wrote:
>
>
> I got to see the original POTA again, in a movie theater a few
years
> ago. A theater here in downtown NYC was showing it. I went to an
> afternoon show expecting to be one of only 2 or 3 people in the
> theater. I was surprised to find the theater packed! I didn't
think
> that there were that many POTA fans out there other than me.
> Turns out there weren't.
> To my surprise and disapointment, it seemed like the majority of
> people were there to laugh at the movie. For them it was a
shlocky,
> Mystery Science Theater experiance. There were huge peels of
laughter
> after almost every Heston line.
> I was so pissed!
>
> Damn them all to hell.
>
> -Ray
>
>









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No recount allowed. The Supreme Court has said so.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "protozaius" <protozaius@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Gee, I didn't know that there was a poll! I would have voted for
> Sideshow! Recount!
>

I agree with you about the "hanging for high treason" remark (and
don't forget Ursus was ready to shoot the war protestors) but my
impression of the "getting his head chopped off" comment was meant
to be more figurative than literal.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> Not true... In the original PLANET, they spoke of "hanging for
high treason",
> and even Cornelius mentions "getting his head chopped off" ...
They
> speak/spoke of "capital punishment" in the original movie, just as
they spoke of it in
> the TV series... Being an enemy of the state "is" justification to
kill the
> states enemy, it's not just "killing for the sake of killing"

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These are absolutely outstanding Greg! Kudos to you, Neil and Kass for the excellent job you all did. I can't wait to see the sets for Escape, Conquest and Battle.

 

For all those that haven't ventured to Hunter's site just look at this:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/cards/beneath/beneathcard33.jpg

 

and compare it to one of the original cards done for Planet in 1968:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/movie_cards/pota-movie-card-36.jpg

 

These look absolutely authentic. I'm sure sets will be popping up on Ebay in a few years.

 

Again outstanding job!

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

>

With the help of Neil Foster and Kassidy Rae I've started working on card sets for the sequel films that are in the same style of the original Topps movie set. The first set, for Beneath the Planet of the Apes, is now available on Hunter's site. Both low-res files for easy viewing and hi-res files for printing your own set are available.

> 
>

href="http://www.goatley.com/pota/">http://www.goatley.com/pota/

> 
> Thanks,
> Greg

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Any recommendations you would make for printing, i.e. card stock,
printer type & settings, etc.?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> hi-res files for printing your own set are available.
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Thanks,
> Greg

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In a message dated 2/7/2005 12:28:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

The writers could have gotten away from the fugitive formula and have developed stories like you mentioned, the astronauts living in a village and hiding their identity. Ape culture could have been explored. Elaine

I was having an interesting discussion on another website-what if the mutants appeared in the TV series? That could've opened up a lot of story ideas and might have kept the series going.

Bruce

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ron...PLEASE let me know when they do that next time....I am only four hours from Atlanta and it would be well worth the drive!

Tim

 

ron kenner <brindlepit2002@...> wrote:

local sci-fi cons in the atlanta area usually show the apes movies.

they usually get a pretty good turn out.

last time i handed out pota fan club flyers, but dont know if it resulted in any new members

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/3/05 11:30:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Speaking of theaters, I'm wondering when was the last time anyone
here saw a POTA film (other than the 2001 remake) in a theater?

For me it was the summer of 1974 during the 'Go Ape' festival.

Yeah, me too.  June 1974.  Haven't seen PLANET or any of the others in a theatre since.

-- Rory

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go vegetarian!

---

Check this out:

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=7510


Matt

In Joe Russo's book he quotes from Rod Serling's original series
concept. I believe the mutants were include. I also think the idea
was for there to be many types of Ape/Human societies for the
Astronauts and Galen to visit.

But of course different cultures and societies would require
different clothes and sets and props. All of which would pump up the
budget.

IMO one of the weaknesses of the TV series was that every Ape/Human
village or farm encountered was indentical to the Ape/Human or farm
encountered the week before just with a different set of problems to
be solved. 'Tomorrow's Tide' is a slight exception to this but still
only slight.

Additionally, I've often wondered if the reason why the TV series
did not pick up characters or concepts from the films was budgetary.
If they had picked up characters and concepts from the films; would
they have had to pay Rod Serling, Paul Dehn or Michael Wilson who
had originally come up with them? I don't know but it is something
to consider.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
>
> I was having an interesting discussion on another website-what if
the
> mutants appeared in the TV series? That could've opened up a lot
of story ideas and
> might have kept the series going.
> Bruce

Good joke but I missed the pic. Is it on the site?


In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

>
>
> Actually, I'm just an accomplice on this one. The pic of the Galen
> figure was done by Mark.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> >
> > There is no Sideshow Galen though. It was another of James'

jokes.

> >
> > -- Rory

Here's the link: http://www.mediamercenary.com/Sideshow%20Collectibles,%20Inc_%20-.htm#Galen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
<JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:

>
>
> Good joke but I missed the pic. Is it on the site?
>
>

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Wow!  Those cards are really good.

Are they laid out so they can be

printed on sheets of blank business

cards?  That would be great!

 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/7/05 6:17:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, dave@... writes:

the best Apes movie ever made

!!!!!?????  Have I just crash landed on a world turned upside down?

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/7/05 12:08:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:

I saw Planet on a big screen at Film Forum in downtown Manhattan some years ago (maybe 8 or 9). They used to have a sci-fi film festival every summer, which they have discontinued. PotA was shown on a double-bill with Fantastic Voyage. I don't recall any inappropriate laughter during Planet, but boy were there howls during Voyage.

Greg P.

You mean when the guys are pulling the antibodies off Raquel Welch's boobies?  Great scene!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/7/05 11:48:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Let me guess, I bet they were a bunch of college students. That's
why I never liked the downtown revival houses. There use to be a
place called the Hollywood Cinema on 8th Ave. in the 40s. I saw all
the Connery Bond films there and the audiences were older & more
into the films.

Whatever became of the Bleaker Street Cinema?  (I think that was the name.)

-- Rory<.html <.html

There is also such a thing as word of mouth and word of eyes. As the
Sideshow figures make it into the world and people see them, the demand
might increase (if they're good). But Sideshow's choices are getting very
boring, just like Rittenhouse. We don't need another Taylor. Where's Julius
and the other rare characters people have been asking for? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "luke_the_drifter52" <JLKINSER1970@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Side Shows next Ape Line?


>
>
>
> Well, they must be selling somewhat decent mo matter what he is
> saying. The new Beneath the Planet of the Apes Taylor is $50.00. ANd
> there is still only a buy 2 limit on all the Ape figures. I know, I
> bought 2 of each one. Even this new Taylor!!!
> I hope they continue on to do the TV series also.
>
>
>
>
> In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks. This was a good article. Fox has no one to blame but
> themselves
> > that the POTA collectible market is "soft". It could've been their
> > "Spiderman" but they needed to hit the new movie out of the park.
> Plus
> > "Sideshow" figures are expensive for the average person. Despite
> that I was
> > hoping the "Sideshow" figures would mark an upswing but I guess
> not. Oh
> > well, Fox saved us a lot of money. - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "protozaius" <protozaius@y...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:36 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Side Shows next Ape Line?
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know if this has been posted but there was a interview
> with a
> > > big wig at Sideshow concerning their 12" POTA figures. He is
> pretty
> > > frank about the lack of support for the line (Come on guys BUY
> MORE
> > > APES!) however, he does say that they is going to be more Apes
> > > previewed at Toy Fair. Here's the link:
> > >
> > >
> > http://systems.figures.com/Features/index.html
> show_article=39374&domain=figures.com&dom=fig&domain_id=4
> > >
> > > All that has been said, in various char rooms, is that Brent has
> been
> > > sculpted. It came straight from the sculpter himself, Mat Falls
> > > during an online chat.
> > >
> > > And Toy Fair is set for next month. I'm hoping that they will
> > > finally roll out their 1/4 scale Apes: Cornelius and Zaius! They
> > > announced plans for them at last year's Toy Fair but I think they
> > > were waiting to see how their 12" did. They are expensive BUT
> WELL
> > > WORTH IT! I have their 1/4 scale Hellboy and he is AWESOME!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
> > > <JLKINSER1970@h...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Has any one heard what Ape figures Side Show will be doing
> next
> > > > > after this line is completed?
> > > > > I emailed them several months ago and asked and they never
> > > replied.
> > > >
> > > > I heard a rumor on a Sideshow message board that there will be
> an
> > > > upcoming Brent. This bodes well (If it's true) for more
> characters
> > > > from Beneath, especially General Ursus. His uniform was always
> my
> > > > favorite. That's one figure I would LOVE to have.
> > > >
> > > > If they make more figures from Beneath I would imagine they'd
> also
> > > > make a Mutant.
> > > > Maybe another exclusive Gorilla. This one could be an "Invading
> > > Army"
> > > > Gorilla. Probably with a backpack, submachine gun, horn, and/or
> > > flag?
> > > >
> > > > Of course they could get silly and give us Ursus and Zaius
> dressed
> > > in
> > > > towels!
> > > >
> > > > -Ray
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original
> POTA One
> > Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much
> > more...
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/7/05 2:57:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:

The hi-res files on Hunter's site are at 300dpi (the display versions are only 100dpi) and are arranged 9 cards per page. I used a photo inkjet printer and printed the fronts on glossy photo paper. The backs I printed on 67# cover/card stock. I used a spray adhesive to put the two sides together and then cut them down into cards.

Greg P.

How much do you want, Gregg, to make sets for everybody?

-- Rory<.html <.html

> Anyone else having problems viewing it? I have tried four different browsers and the same
> problem occurs: it appears to be in one tiny frame at the top of the page.

I don't know what the problem is; it's one page with 3 frames, and it
displays OK for everyone else, AFAIK (it certainly does for me).

Hunter

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I'm trying to save up my leave so I can go to the San Diego Comic-Con this year. The more leave I can save up, the more I can promote POTA!!!

 

Go Apes!!!

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In a message dated 2/7/2005 4:17:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

In Joe Russo's book he quotes from Rod Serling's original series
concept. I believe the mutants were include. I also think the idea
was for there to be many types of Ape/Human societies for the
Astronauts and Galen to visit.

But of course different cultures and societies would require
different clothes and sets and props. All of which would pump up the
budget.

IMO one of the weaknesses of the TV series was that every Ape/Human
village or farm encountered was indentical to the Ape/Human or farm
encountered the week before just with a different set of problems to
be solved. 'Tomorrow's Tide' is a slight exception to this but still
only slight.

Additionally, I've often wondered if the reason why the TV series
did not pick up characters or concepts from the films was budgetary.
If they had picked up characters and concepts from the films; would
they have had to pay Rod Serling, Paul Dehn or Michael Wilson who
had originally come up with them? I don't know but it is something
to consider.

I have copies of the Serling scripts and they are full of verbose, long-winded speeches by humans, apes, and mutants. Good for classic TZ eps but not for a series that relied on visuals like Apes TV.

    Having watched 7 or 8 eps today on Sci Fi I agree that the farms-and the stories- were too similar. This is what killed the series in my opinion (much as I enjoyed the show).

Bruce

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Attachments :

The time: February 8, 1968, 10 a.m.

The place: NYC, Broadway and 51st St.

The Event: The first public showing (aka World Premiere)

See attached ad from New York Times (not great, reproduced from microfilm,
image replaced with color version so it looks somewhat better).

The question: What anniversary is it?

-- Rory

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTABannerAd.jpg

Thanks Rory that's a great ad.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> The time: February 8, 1968, 10 a.m.
>
> The place: NYC, Broadway and 51st St.
>
> The Event: The first public showing (aka World Premiere)
>
> See attached ad from New York Times (not great, reproduced from
microfilm,
> image replaced with color version so it looks somewhat better).
>
> The question: What anniversary is it?
>
> -- Rory
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTABannerAd.jpg

Wow!  Those cards are really good.

Are they laid out so they can be

printed on sheets of blank business

cards?  That would be great!

As Rory has already stated tomorrow it the anniversary of the
premiere of the original Planet of the Apes.

Well we love to celebrate anniversaries around here and give members
a chance to win the gift.

For this anniversary one lucky member will win a ANSA patch and a
set of the Return DVDs. If you don't have these already you're in
for a real treat. If you do it can't hurt to have an extra copy.

Anyway here's the contest. It is a variation on the old Kevin Bacon
game. The goal is to get selected cast members of the original to
selected cast members of the 2001 remake in as few steps as
possible. Specifically:

Charlton Heston to Mark Wahlberg
Roddy McDowall to Tim Roth
Kim Hunter to Helena Bonham Carter
Maurice Evans to Paul Giamatti
Linda Harrison to Estella Warren

Now here's the catch, you can't use any POTA film nor can you use TV
series, TV-movies or documentaries. Only feature films will be
acceptable as answers.

Actually it's pretty easy. Each "chain" can be completed in 3 steps.
Some in 2 steps. The goal is to do it as few steps as possible. Like
golf, the person with the lowest cumulative score will win (15 being
the maximum highest score). All answers must be verifiable on IMDB.

You can enter by clicking this link:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Contest.htm or by
clicking the banner on the Yahoo Home Page.

Good Luck!

How much do you want, Greg, to make sets for everybody?

-- Rory

It's funny... the two seminal movie-going experiences when I was
young was the "Apes" films and "Willy Wonka". Seems Burton is bent
on re-imagining my whole childhood.

Maybe it never happened?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Yesterday's L.A. Times had a feature article on Burton's "Charlie
and the Chocolate Factory" (his "The Corpse Bride" is also coming out
around Halloween - - it's going to be a Burton year). It mentioned
that Burton knew he was in dangerous territory by remaking POTA (he
considers the original a "classic") but he doesn't feel that way
about "Willy Wonka", he didn't particularly like it and doesn't feel
a lot of pressure about making it. It's going to be more like the
book.
> It also said that Burton is a risky prospect for a big budget
movie and that his POTA killed Fox's enthusiasm for continuing the
franchise. I think they just said that generally, they didn't
actually ask Fox. But when "Chocolate Factory" comes out I think it
will reignite the discussion about POTA and Zanuck or someone will
give us an update if there's a chance of another one (which I think
they would do differently since they KNOW people didn't like
Burton's). Burton got off kinda easy with his previous movie "Big
Fish" but the big budget on "Factory" will bring back memories of
POTA for interviewers. - - - Jeff

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Magnificent!

Agreed!

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Planet of the Apes premiered on this day in 1968.

Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2005
Time: All Day

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/7/2005 6:03:19 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

How much do you want, Gregg, to make sets for everybody?

Glad you asked, because I was about to... Those "cards" are great...!<.html <.html

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Thirty seven years ago today! Oh, where's a time warp when you need it?
Wouldn't it be great to suddenly materialize outside of the Capital Theatre on
the morning of February 8th, 1968?

Here's the premiere ad for PLANET OF THE APES from that day in the New York
Times. I've added color images to make it more APEpealing to the eye.

(Check out the info on the contest they had in the corner of the ad.)

-- Rory

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAPremiereAd.jpg

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<<Special reduced price for members of the Yahoo POTA group who've been duped once again. April Fools!!!>>

 

And it's only February.

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> IMO one of the weaknesses of the TV series was that every Ape/Human
> village or farm encountered was indentical to the Ape/Human or farm
> encountered the week before

I agree, the TV show did sometimes feel like 'Village of the Apes". They had a
whole planet to explore and could have shown the effects of man's downfall
on a GLOBAL scale. I think that's what Serling hinted at in his proposal. Still,
this was the 70's and the kind of budgets that some of today's shows enjoy
just wasn't available. I think they did very well with what they had but the
potential was (and still is) enourmous.

> Additionally, I've often wondered If they had picked up characters and

concepts from the films; would

> they have had to pay Rod Serling, Paul Dehn or Michael Wilson who
> had originally come up with them? I don't know but it is something
> to consider.

I once suggested that this might have been the reasoning behind the 2001 re-
imaginging too - But, as Jeff quite rightly pointed out Fox own POTA lock stock
and barrell and can do with it whatever they want.

Dave

Thanks for letting me off so easy :0)

Some people like the 2001 version best of all. It's nothing to do with the
quality in front and behind the lens - perhaps more to do with the time and
circumstance of the viewer?

Beneath was the first ape movie I ever saw and one of the very first movies I
ever saw in a cinema. The original is undeniably a superior piece of film-
making but as the lead character says in 'True Romance' (or something like)

"Apocalypse now... that's a film . Coming home in a body bag 3... Now
THAT"S a Movie!"

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/7/05 6:17:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> dave@4... writes:
>
>
> > the best Apes movie ever made
>
> !!!!!????? Have I just crash landed on a world turned upside down?
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

>

Where's Julius

> and the other rare characters people have been asking for? - - - Jeff

A very talented guy named Chris Hight is making them. I don't know if Chris is
a member of this group - if not maybe I can post his contact details. I've read a
lot of critcisms of the Sideshow figures, I've never heard a bad word about
Chris's work.

Dave

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In a message dated 2/7/2005 9:55:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:

Printing, gluing and cutting up sets would seriously cut into the time

 

I think I'm just going to cut and paste them electronically on biz card stock.

 

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In a message dated 2/7/2005 9:24:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Kim Hunter to Helena Bonham Carter

 

Too Easy!

 

Kim Hunter was in A Price Above Rubies with Don Carter who was in Mighty Aphrodite with Helen Bonham-Carter.

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In a message dated 2/7/2005 9:19:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:

(available on Hunter's site)

What's that address again?

 

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In terms of what's in it for Ape fandom, as opposed to the esoterics
of great film making, I think Beneath comes out top. You get Ursus,
with gorillas marching with menace, you get that amphitheatre scene,
you get Mutants, you get the Bomb, you get an astronaut you can
identify with, you get lots of Linda Harrison. For me, Beneath is the
template for most of the Apes legend and it is my favourite movie,
although I'll certainly concede it's, by far, the worst novelisation!
John, Scrolls.

Hunter's website is at: http://www.goatley.com/pota/.

The addresses of most sites discussed are available in the group's
links section: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/links

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> (available on Hunter's site)
>
>
> What's that address again?

The Beneath cards look incredible. Very professional.
Can't wait to make a set.

CH





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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:19 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com; JamesA1102@...
Subject: Nearly twelve hours and counting!

The time:  February 8, 1968, 10 a.m.

The place: NYC, Broadway and 51st St.

The Event:  The first public showing (aka World Premiere)

See attached ad from New York Times (not great, reproduced from microfilm, image replaced with color version so it looks somewhat better).

The question:  What anniversary is it?

-- Rory

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In a message dated 2/7/2005 6:03:19 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

How much do you want, Gregg, to make sets for everybody?

Glad you asked, because I was about to... Those "cards" are great...!

Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more...

I would agree, Planet is a far superior film to any of the sequels.
In many ways it is one of the finest films ever made. On the other
hand, Beneath is far more fun and because of all the reasons that
you mention.

The core reason for the difference, I think, is that they are two
very different types of films.

Planet is very talky and deep philosophical film that had a specific
message, essentially a drama with a few action sequences thrown in
for good measure. It is also a very character driven film the Taylor
at the center.

Beneath on the other hand is a full blown action adventure. As Jeff
once said, 'its a chase film'. There is no real message other than
the standard '60s apocalyptic pessimism. Whereas in Planet the
characters moved the plot along, in Beneath the characters are swept
up in events that are really beyond their control. But for the most
part it is just a romp with monkeys, mutants, astronauts and
doomsday bombs.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
>
>
> In terms of what's in it for Ape fandom, as opposed to the
esoterics
> of great film making, I think Beneath comes out top. You get
Ursus,
> with gorillas marching with menace, you get that amphitheatre
scene,
> you get Mutants, you get the Bomb, you get an astronaut you can
> identify with, you get lots of Linda Harrison. For me, Beneath is
the
> template for most of the Apes legend and it is my favourite movie,
> although I'll certainly concede it's, by far, the worst
novelisation!
> John, Scrolls.

You will chew the gum and you will like it!!!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> would is also be possible to make the wrappers?
> but please, no gum LOL
>