>
> In a message dated 2/19/2005 12:33:31 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> JLKINSER1970@h... writes:
>
> What I wish Sideshow would release, and this would be HUGE, a
> Polystone scale size of the Space Ship. WOOO HOOO!!!
>
>
>
> Why Polystone?
> Certainly not because it's cheap.
> I've never seen anything in Polystone that
> was cheap. And with the weight the shipping
> will make it that much more. Resin maybe,
> but Polystone?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> wrote:
>
> > Something that I always wondered about them, were they a
> couple or
> > just colleagues. Rewatching Escape they seem more like
> colleagues.
>
> I can't recall if the script says otherwise but they strike me as
just
> collegues. There's clearly affection and some familiarity - but no
> clear sign of romance.
>
> Dave B

----- Original Message -----
From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:15 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lewis & Stevie


>
>
>
> I think they are colleagues, and I think they are friends. I'm
> curious, though, is either of them wearing a wedding ring?
>
> Helen
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Something that I always wondered about them, were they a
> > couple or
> > > just colleagues. Rewatching Escape they seem more like
> > colleagues.
> >
> > I can't recall if the script says otherwise but they strike me as
> just
> > collegues. There's clearly affection and some familiarity - but no
> > clear sign of romance.
> >
> > Dave B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> Actually, this is an interesting question. I always just assumed
they were
> in a relationship, I guess because how close they were. But
there's no real
> indication. Unless at that point they were aiming it toward kids
and didn't
> want any overt kissing and stuff (except ape kissing is alright).
Maybe
> Lewis was gay (ouch! Quit kicking me, Helen). - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:15 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lewis & Stevie
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I think they are colleagues, and I think they are friends. I'm
> > curious, though, is either of them wearing a wedding ring?
> >
> > Helen
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Something that I always wondered about them, were they a
> > > couple or
> > > > just colleagues. Rewatching Escape they seem more like
> > > colleagues.
> > >
> > > I can't recall if the script says otherwise but they strike me
as
> > just
> > > collegues. There's clearly affection and some familiarity -
but no
> > > clear sign of romance.
> > >
> > > Dave B
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original
POTA One
> Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
much, much
> more...
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
> Actually, this is an interesting question. I always just assumed

> in a relationship, I guess because how close they were. But

> indication. Unless at that point they were aiming it toward kids

> want any overt kissing and stuff (except ape kissing is alright).

> Lewis was gay (ouch! Quit kicking me, Helen). - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:15 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lewis & Stevie
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I think they are colleagues, and I think they are friends. I'm
> > curious, though, is either of them wearing a wedding ring?
> >
> > Helen
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Something that I always wondered about them, were they a
> > > couple or
> > > > just colleagues. Rewatching Escape they seem more like
> > > colleagues.
> > >
> > > I can't recall if the script says otherwise but they strike me

> > just
> > > collegues. There's clearly affection and some familiarity -

> > > clear sign of romance.
> > >
> > > Dave B
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original

> Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and

> more...
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>
> No Lewis wasn't gay; he was just shy
>
>
> In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, this is an interesting question. I always just

> they were
> > in a relationship, I guess because how close they were. But
> there's no real
> > indication. Unless at that point they were aiming it toward kids
> and didn't
> > want any overt kissing and stuff (except ape kissing is

> Maybe
> > Lewis was gay (ouch! Quit kicking me, Helen). - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:15 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Lewis & Stevie
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think they are colleagues, and I think they are friends. I'm
> > > curious, though, is either of them wearing a wedding ring?
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Something that I always wondered about them, were they a
> > > > couple or
> > > > > just colleagues. Rewatching Escape they seem more like
> > > > colleagues.
> > > >
> > > > I can't recall if the script says otherwise but they strike

> as
> > > just
> > > > collegues. There's clearly affection and some familiarity -
> but no
> > > > clear sign of romance.
> > > >
> > > > Dave B
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for

> POTA One
> > Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much
> > more...
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James"
> <JamesA1102@a...>
> wrote:
>
> > Something that I always wondered about them, were
> they a
> couple or
> > just colleagues. Rewatching Escape they seem more
> like
> colleagues.
>
> I can't recall if the script says otherwise but they
> strike me as just
> collegues. There's clearly affection and some
> familiarity - but no
> clear sign of romance.
>
> Dave B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________

>
>
> I'm fairly certain there's an 'I love you' moment somewhere in the
> novel of Escape. Withoout re-reading the entire book again, I'm

> sure where, but it might be when Lewis calls Stevie to warn her

> the Chimps have escaped.

> they're the human mirror to the greatest love story of all, Zira

> Cornelius(pauses to be sick).John, Scrolls.
> > >

>
>
> The sideshow figures are wonderful, and the accessories are a
> fanboy's dream.Imagine how cool a TV Series Zaius holding the
> grenade, or ancient book would be. Urko with pistol? Burke with

> Galen with old woman disguise? Virdon with disc, photo and
> compass??!! These are figures I would sit through Star Trek for!

> Series Zaius has never been done, as far as I know, and it would

> great if we fans could somehow orchestrate a campaign to get Zaius
> done---Booth is still around and might appreciate the thought? The

> Series would be a wonderful Sideshow line.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52" <JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello all
> Well, I have more new prereleases for tomorrow in the Photo section
> Sideshow folder.
> This set includes
> Brent, Ursus, and Caesar
> The Caesar looks like they just used Cornelius' head. I hope that
> since this is just a prototype it cahnges. I know Roddy played both,
> but they looked different.
> Ursus looks more like Urko I think.
> What do you all think??
> John

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: the gang ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ; pota_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:08 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] OT: Damn dirty apes: Koko the gorilla involved in scandal

  Two workers at the institute where the famous sign-language speaking gorilla Koko resides are suing the place, claiming they were told to expose their breasts for Koko as part of the job. They are seeking over $1 million in damages.   http://abcnews.go.com/US/wirestory?id=51407 

  Ha! It says "breasts"! - - - Jeff

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

> Ha! It says "breasts"! - - - Jeff

>
>
> Here's a preview of Ursus:
>
> http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?

>
> And Ceaser from Conquest:
>
> http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?

>
> Ceaser is very strange. The title says Beneath, the text next to

> picture say Conquest, and he's wearing his green Conquest jumpsuit.
> The sculpt looks like they are using (for now) the Cornelius

> and WE all know that they look very different.
> I guess they don't. They even have some pix of Cornelius up behind
> the pic of the prototype.
>
> -Ray

>
>
> BIG NEWS ALL
> Sideshow has shown, so far, there new addition to the Beneath the
> Planet of the APes line. A NEW MUTANT!!!! I posted a pic in the
> sideshow files!!!
> John

>
>
> Hello all
> Well, I have more new prereleases for tomorrow in the Photo section
> Sideshow folder.
> This set includes
> Brent, Ursus, and Caesar
> The Caesar looks like they just used Cornelius' head. I hope that
> since this is just a prototype it cahnges. I know Roddy played

> but they looked different.
> Ursus looks more like Urko I think.
> What do you all think??
> John

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Rob/Ron! Yeah, I'm here, too.
>
> I do have some copies of this left. Send me your address privately
> and I will get one out to you. I'm going to go across the street
> and see if I can find the address of the sanctuary. Hold on a
bit...
>
> I'll be right back...
>
> Helen
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> > sounds great.
> > helen, are you with this group? (sorry, i get group memberships
> confused)
> > also, where is the sanctuary?
> > rob/ron
> >
> > Dave B <dave@4...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > how do i order the CD called "values"?
> >
> > Hey Rob,
> >
> > I believe Helen may have a few copies left, if that's the case
> > maybe she can hook you up with a copy. You'd need to pay
> > Helen for any postage costs but there's no charge for the disc
> > itself. If you enjoy it perhaps you could make a small donation
to
> > the Ape sanctuary Rory mentioned a while back.
> >
> > Dave B
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original
> POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading
Cards
> and much, much more...
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
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> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
> >
> >
> > go vegetarian!
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------

>
>
> I agree with you 100% and I think you have some wonderful

> ideas. BUT< the only way for Sideshow to know that we Ape fans want
> a TV series line as well, is for ALL OF US to contact them and tell
> them. When I contacted them they replied, "... The more we know
> there is an interest, the more likely we will be to do it".
>
> In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The sideshow figures are wonderful, and the accessories are a
> > fanboy's dream.Imagine how cool a TV Series Zaius holding the
> > grenade, or ancient book would be. Urko with pistol? Burke with
> oper?
> > Galen with old woman disguise? Virdon with disc, photo and
> > compass??!! These are figures I would sit through Star Trek for!
> TV
> > Series Zaius has never been done, as far as I know, and it would
> be
> > great if we fans could somehow orchestrate a campaign to get

> > done---Booth is still around and might appreciate the thought?

> TV
> > Series would be a wonderful Sideshow line.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
>
>
> James, how to you feel about a concerted campaign by the Group to
ask
> for TV Series figure/s from Sideshow? If there was a standard
letter
> we could all send I'm sure Kass , Mez and others would be up for
> pushing it. Any thoughts? John, Scrolls.

>
> The Escape novelization ,page 30, says Stevie has been on Lewis'

> for three weeks 'and they were already half in love'.Later on

> Lewis tells her twice that he loves her and she says 'I love you

> Lewis'.I don't think they were doing the wild thing yet, but they
> weren't far off.

> Interesting question as to what is 'canon'---
> strictly, on the original cut, if we say only the movies are canon
> then the Alpha Omega drops out of Battle, whereas in the novel and
> scripts it's an integral part of the Apes mythology.I've always
> leaned towards the books being 'canon'.John, Scrolls.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray" <ursus3978@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Ursus and Ceaser (?) from Sideshow


>
>
>
> Here's a preview of Ursus:
>
> http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=022005ursus
>
> And Ceaser from Conquest:
>
> http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=022005caesar
>
> Ceaser is very strange. The title says Beneath, the text next to the
> picture say Conquest, and he's wearing his green Conquest jumpsuit.
> The sculpt looks like they are using (for now) the Cornelius sculpt
> and WE all know that they look very different.
> I guess they don't. They even have some pix of Cornelius up behind
> the pic of the prototype.
>
> -Ray
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "simianhistorian" <cornelius@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The devolution of man (circa 3085 to 3955). A
puzzling question..


>
>
>
> I was watching "The Tyrant" episode last night and I got to
> thinking...
>
> the way the humans are treated (portrayed) in 3085 (T.V. Series
> years), they are taxed or used as slaves by the apes. Yet, in
> 3955, about 900 years later, the humans have de-evolved (is that
> a word?) into animals, so to speak.
>
> Is this seen as a continued result of the plaque (that killed dogs
> and cats in 1983)? I've heard that possibly the radiation from the
> nuclear war of the late 1990's may be a factor. Although, if this
> was so, then why do some humans mutate while others
> de-evolve (there's that word again)?
>
> cornelius
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
>
> James, I'm curious...
>
> You live in the area. Do you attend Toy Fair?
>
> Helen

I'd love to see TV series from Sideshow and I'd gladly push our group effort.  Could James or John let me know if someone gets a letter together here? One of my girls had to go to the emergency room last night (strep) and I might miss a posting.

Kass 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I would definitely sign a letter for tv characters from sideshow. Elaine

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> I think the society seen in "Planet" and "Beneath" were cut off
by the
> Forbidden Zone from the one seen in the TV show. The TV show
society might
> have continued to evolve and maybe the humans continued to talk
when the
> ones in the first movies were cut off and stagnated (though still
having the
> ability to speak, like Nova does). Then again, some feel the
movies and TV
> show are different continuities. - - - Jeff
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
>
> I'd love to see TV series from Sideshow and I'd gladly push our
group effort. Could James or John let me know if someone gets a
letter together here? One of my girls had to go to the emergency
room last night (strep) and I might miss a posting.
>
> Kass
>
>
> ---------------------------------

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> There's two timelines, James...
>
> AND THAT'S THE ONE TRUE ANSWER!
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...> wrote:
>
>
> This link has more pictures from ToyFair of Sideshow's current and
> upcoming apes:
>
> http://photos.figures.com/photo/TF05/showgallery.php?cat=572
>
> Also, on Sideshow's own website, under the ToyFair page, they've
> listed pre-order information for "Exclusive" versions of Ursus and
> Caeser.
> Apparently, for a couple of bucks more, you can get an Ursus with a
> submachine gun and Caeser with...a circus poster. Nice touch, but
> kinda lame in order to be worth extra money.
>
> -Ray

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/21/2005 8:39:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mtotsky@y... writes:
>
> There are rumors that Palisades Toys will be producing a line of 4
inch
> figures based
> on POTA. Apparently, there are no sculpts or anything to look at,
but they
> are hyping
> the line at the annual Toy Fair, going on now in NYC. Check out
the message
> board
> at:
>
> www.palisadestoys.com/
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> I work 3 blocks away from the Toy Fair but the security is tighter
than the
> White House! You can't get in there unless you belong there. In my
opinion I
> belong there (just to look) but I doubt they share my beliefs.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> Bruce

>
> I'd love to see TV series from Sideshow and I'd gladly push our

>
> Kass
>
>
> ---------------------------------

>
>
> I am going to assume that the images that are on theSideshow

> are going to be the final versions since Sideshow's early images

> the 1st series turned out to be accurate to how they were produced.
> If that is the case, then there are a couple of things that don't
> look too good.
> Mainly, that they are going to re-use the Cornelius headsculpt on
> Caeser. I mean, it's one thing when Mego puts out Cornelius and

> and use the same figure. That was 30 years ago and things were
> different (and cheaper). These days, that kind of thing just

> cut it. That was the great thing about the Medicom figures - they
> took the time to make each Roddy McDowell chimp look accurate to
> wichever film and whichever character he was playing.
> I'm sure other ape fans out there, like me, get annoyed when
> manufacturers of POTA products can't it right and think that "all
> apes look alike". Grrrrrrrr.
>
> Anyway, aside from the re-used headsculpt, they are re-using
> Cornelius's shoes, when in fact, in Conquest, the apes wore those
> comfortable looking tennis shoes. Now, granted, that didn't make

> sense, I mean, were did they stick that big toe on the side of

> feet? Still, for the money, they should be ACCURATE.
>
> Ursus looks pretty good. His head looks to be a little too lightly
> colored. Almost a brown instead of a black. That can be pretty

> repainted. The sides of his helmet look very thin. It seems that
> instead of one molded piece of plastic or rubber like the Hasbro
> Ursus, they are using a molded piece for the top and vinyl for the
> sides. It's hard to tell from the picture how well this will work.

> will allow for more flexibility in moving the head at least.
>
> So far, Ursus is the only one that I will definately get.
>
> -Ray

>
>
> I will only sign it if they promise to make a Kraik figure.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > I would definitely sign a letter for tv characters from

>
>
> OK Let me try my hand at this.
>
> Dear Sir or Madam,

> > The Mutant Jailer (can't they even use the character's name?)...
>
> Maybe they are using "generic" names rather than having to pay any

> licensing fees? Or maybe "Negro" as he's called in the films

> "politically correct" for them to use? (And maybe they don't know

> Ongaro as he is also known?)

Very interesting.  Thanks for sharing that, Mark.  I was surprised
to see that there were two chimps mentioned that had been born at
the Sun Coast sanctuary.  I'm a little surprised.  I would have
thought that the older chimps would have been neutered to prevent
this.  I thought the problem was that there is an overpopulation of
chimps in captivity. 

Helen


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
>
>
> This is a great organization here in Florida, I hope everyone gets
a second to visit the site
> and check out the incredible things planned for this place.  This
is the 'real' Planet of the
> Apes.  Another great organization is the Suncoast Primate
Sanctuary.
> http://suncoastprimates.org/
>
> Mark
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Rob/Ron...
> >
> > SaveTheChimps
> > P.O. Box 12220
> > Fort Pierce, FL 34979
> > Tel. 772-429-0403
> > Fax. 772-460-0720
> >
> > Here is an on-line contribution form:
> > https://www.securewebexchange.com/savethechimps.org/donate.html"
> >
> > To learn more about "Save the Chimps" here's a link to their
> > website:  http://www.savethechimps.org/about.asp
> >
> > Let me know Your address, and I will send that along.
> >
> > Helen








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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ursus and Ceaser (?) from Sideshow

In a message dated 2/21/2005 8:42:13 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

But three (hopefully 4) cheers for the mutants!

There were FIVE "main" Mutants!!!!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "lawbody2003" <thaddeus40@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:59 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Sideshow Ongaro.


>
>
>
>
> > > The Mutant Jailer (can't they even use the character's name?)...
> >
> > Maybe they are using "generic" names rather than having to pay any
> additional
> > licensing fees? Or maybe "Negro" as he's called in the films
> credits isn't
> > "politically correct" for them to use? (And maybe they don't know
> the name of
> > Ongaro as he is also known?)
>
>
>
>
> I think the name Ongaro was just added later to the vhs credits, and
> is a re-write of the word "negro". O(neg)a(ro).
>
> Actually there are 6 main mutants if you count the Verger, the one
> Brent met first in the Church, who also had the most elaborate ( and
> medievil ) costume.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
>
> I am going to assume that the images that are on
> theSideshow website
> are going to be the final versions since Sideshow's
> early images of
> the 1st series turned out to be accurate to how they
> were produced.
> If that is the case, then there are a couple of
> things that don't
> look too good.
> Mainly, that they are going to re-use the Cornelius
> headsculpt on
> Caeser. I mean, it's one thing when Mego puts out
> Cornelius and Galen
> and use the same figure. That was 30 years ago and
> things were
> different (and cheaper). These days, that kind of
> thing just doesn't
> cut it. That was the great thing about the Medicom
> figures - they
> took the time to make each Roddy McDowell chimp look
> accurate to
> wichever film and whichever character he was
> playing.
> I'm sure other ape fans out there, like me, get
> annoyed when
> manufacturers of POTA products can't it right and
> think that "all
> apes look alike". Grrrrrrrr.
>
> Anyway, aside from the re-used headsculpt, they are
> re-using
> Cornelius's shoes, when in fact, in Conquest, the
> apes wore those
> comfortable looking tennis shoes. Now, granted, that
> didn't make much
> sense, I mean, were did they stick that big toe on
> the side of their
> feet? Still, for the money, they should be ACCURATE.
>
> Ursus looks pretty good. His head looks to be a
> little too lightly
> colored. Almost a brown instead of a black. That can
> be pretty easily
> repainted. The sides of his helmet look very thin.
> It seems that
> instead of one molded piece of plastic or rubber
> like the Hasbro
> Ursus, they are using a molded piece for the top and
> vinyl for the
> sides. It's hard to tell from the picture how well
> this will work. It
> will allow for more flexibility in moving the head
> at least.
>
> So far, Ursus is the only one that I will definately
> get.
>
> -Ray
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> Don Pedro Colley told me the character was named "Onogoro"
(that's how he
> pronounced it) during the filming and it wasn't until he saw the
finished
> film that he saw the name "Negro", which he wasn't happy with. He
said they
> chickened out and "needed a label for it". If he had been called
Negro
> during production I think he would've walked (this was
the '60's!). "Negro,
> on your mark". - - - Jeff
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
>
> I have been all over the Sideshow website and for the
> life of me can not find Brent, Ursus or Ongaro....can
> somebody post a link or tell me how to find them on
> the site? They make it so difficult!
> Tim
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray" <ursus3978@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Comments on the new Sideshow apes


>
>
>
> I am going to assume that the images that are on theSideshow website
> are going to be the final versions since Sideshow's early images of
> the 1st series turned out to be accurate to how they were produced.
> If that is the case, then there are a couple of things that don't
> look too good.
> Mainly, that they are going to re-use the Cornelius headsculpt on
> Caeser. I mean, it's one thing when Mego puts out Cornelius and Galen
> and use the same figure. That was 30 years ago and things were
> different (and cheaper). These days, that kind of thing just doesn't
> cut it. That was the great thing about the Medicom figures - they
> took the time to make each Roddy McDowell chimp look accurate to
> wichever film and whichever character he was playing.
> I'm sure other ape fans out there, like me, get annoyed when
> manufacturers of POTA products can't it right and think that "all
> apes look alike". Grrrrrrrr.
>
> Anyway, aside from the re-used headsculpt, they are re-using
> Cornelius's shoes, when in fact, in Conquest, the apes wore those
> comfortable looking tennis shoes. Now, granted, that didn't make much
> sense, I mean, were did they stick that big toe on the side of their
> feet? Still, for the money, they should be ACCURATE.
>
> Ursus looks pretty good. His head looks to be a little too lightly
> colored. Almost a brown instead of a black. That can be pretty easily
> repainted. The sides of his helmet look very thin. It seems that
> instead of one molded piece of plastic or rubber like the Hasbro
> Ursus, they are using a molded piece for the top and vinyl for the
> sides. It's hard to tell from the picture how well this will work. It
> will allow for more flexibility in moving the head at least.
>
> So far, Ursus is the only one that I will definately get.
>
> -Ray
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Good letter,James. Elaine

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> Here are the links, Brent:
> http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=022005brent
>
> Ursus:
> http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=75081
>
> Caesar:
> http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=75121
>
> I'm sorry, I can't find a link for Ongaro.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I have been all over the Sideshow website and for the
> > life of me can not find Brent, Ursus or Ongaro....can
> > somebody post a link or tell me how to find them on
> > the site? They make it so difficult!
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

<<but we don't need 4 Taylors>>

I'm guessing that the reason they're making so many variants of Taylor is because the
licensing cost for Heston's likeness was probably quite high as is the cost to sculpt
the figure's head. It is cost effective for them to by churn out variations of the same
character. I don't have a problem with it. If they only made a slave Taylor, then we
would be complaining that we weren't getting an astronaut (or vice versa). I think the
"Beneath" version is an interesting variant and will display well with Ongaro and Slave
Brent (I'm sure that variant is coming).

<<Caesar that looks like Cornelius (if they do Caesar, do it right or don't do it),
etc.>>

Yeah, this kind of bugs me, but I'll hold off on the criticism until the final product
arrives. It could have been some prototype they just threw together for the Toy Fair.

<<Without quality and value, sales suffer and POTA gets the rap.>>

True, but the line has only been in existance for less than a year. It was announced at
last Toy Fair and the first figures didn't start showing up until a few months ago. I
think their offerings have been impressive so far. Sure, there area few things I would
have done differently, but isn't that always the case? Look what they've done with
some of their other licenses (Bond, Monsters, etc). Those are some impressive
lineups. If the sales are there, I'm sure the Apes will be equally as impressive when all
is said and done.

I look forward to Sideshow's POTA line for years to come.

Matt

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> Here are the links, Brent:
> http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=022005brent

> You can see Ongaro (and the rest) in Sideshow's Toy Fair section:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:

> A circus poster is an instrument of destruction?!?
>
> 8-)
>
> Hunter

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
>
> > A circus poster is an instrument of destruction?!?
> >
> > 8-)
> >
> > Hunter

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:02:59 PM Central Standard Time,
> protozaius@y... writes:
>
> > The Ursus with sub-machine gun is going to be
> > HOT!!!
>
> The thing is, the sub-machine gun really "isn't" Ursus'
accessory... He is
> shown with the pistol, and while riding, he has a standard rifle in
his rifle
> case on the saddle... It's not until the end of BENEATH when he
grabs the
> machine gun from the soldier that he is even seen with one... Ursus
with a
> sub-machine gun makes about as much sense as the Medicom Urko being
accessorised with
> one...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Elaine.
>
> The letter, with the name and address of who to send it to, has
been
> uploaded to the group's files section:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/SideshowLetter.rtf
>
> It's in a 'Rich Text Format' so everyone should be able to
download
> it and print it out. So no one has an excuse for not sending a
> letter to Sideshow request TV figures.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > Good letter,James. Elaine

> >
> > There's two timelines, James...
> >
> > AND THAT'S THE ONE TRUE ANSWER!
> >
> > -- Rory

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <rkid67@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: [Planet of the Apes Sideshow


>
>
>
> The Brent figure looks like Edward Mulhare. Just add a Navy P-Coat and
sideshow can start
> 'The Ghost and Mrs. Muir' line. And who wouldn't want a Charles Nelson
Reilly figure?
> Please feel free to follow up with Hoodo references.
>
> Mark T.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Here are the links, Brent:
> > http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=022005brent
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hunter Goatley" <goathunter@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: [Planet of the Apes Sideshow


>
>
> > You can see Ongaro (and the rest) in Sideshow's Toy Fair section:
>
> Interesting, but still not worth $45 each to me....
>
> I thought this text from the Caesar page was hilarious:
>
> SIDESHOW EXCLUSIVE
>
> The first 400 customers who order directly from
> www.SideshowCollectibles.com received a bonus accessory available
> nowhere else! The Sideshow Exclusive accessory is an additional
> instrument of destruction - 1/6th scale circus poster
>
> A circus poster is an instrument of destruction?!?
>
> 8-)
>
> Hunter
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
>
> Here are the links, Brent:
>

>
> Ursus:
>

>
> Caesar:
>

>
> I'm sorry, I can't find a link for Ongaro.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I have been all over the Sideshow website and for
> the
> > life of me can not find Brent, Ursus or
> Ongaro....can
> > somebody post a link or tell me how to find them
> on
> > the site? They make it so difficult!
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >

> "Beneath" version is an interesting variant and will
> display well with Ongaro and Slave
> Brent (I'm sure that variant is coming).

>
>
> I like the image of Ursus with the submachine gun!
> In fact, I gave my
> Medicom Ursus, Urko's submachine gun and gave Urko
> an in scale Luger
> from another toy line for him to hold in his hand.
>
> -Ray
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:02:59 PM Central
> Standard Time,
> > protozaius@y... writes:
> >
> > > The Ursus with sub-machine gun is going to be
> > > HOT!!!
> >
> > The thing is, the sub-machine gun really "isn't"
> Ursus'
> accessory... He is
> > shown with the pistol, and while riding, he has a
> standard rifle in
> his rifle
> > case on the saddle... It's not until the end of
> BENEATH when he
> grabs the
> > machine gun from the soldier that he is even seen
> with one... Ursus
> with a
> > sub-machine gun makes about as much sense as the
> Medicom Urko being
> accessorised with
> > one...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Hoodoo rocks! I got the "Lidsville" set. You haven't lived until you've
> seen a giant Charles Nelson Reilly giggling and stepping on things. - - -

>
> > I think the name Ongaro was just added later to the vhs credits
>
> What copy did you see this spelling on? I have three VHS tapes of

> none of them say anything other than "Negro"

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:35 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The FIVE main Mutants

In a message dated 2/22/2005 12:33:55 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

You mean the one played by Gregory Sierra? Perhaps, but 4 would be plenty. Those are the 4 people remember.

No, I do NOT mean the Verger!... He is on screen for a minute or so, he doesn't count... I am talking about the 5 that have "screen time" more than a minute or two... I am talking about (1) Mendez, (2) Caspay, (3) Ongoro, (4) The Fat Man, and (5) Albina, remember her?

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