--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
>
>
> I truly wish there was a way to heal old wounds and get all the
Planet
> of the Apes fans united. When Star Wars or Star Trek fans feud
> amongest themselves, it doesn't matter because there are millions of
> them to divide but when Apes fans do this, every person counts and
you
> feel their loss. With such a small pool of truly talented people
> working together instead of fighting maybe we could get Planet of
the
> Apes the respect that it deserves as a pioneer in the realm of Sci-
Fi.
> We could make people take notice again. --Dr. Zauis Davis

>
>
> With such a small pool of truly talented people
> working together instead of fighting maybe we could get Planet of the
> Apes the respect that it deserves as a pioneer in the realm of Sci-Fi.
> We could make people take notice again. --Dr. Zauis Davis

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> I've been wondering how old Cornelius & Zira were supposed to be in
the
> films. Roddy & Kim were in their 40s when they played the characters
> but that really doesn't mean much.
> Zira does comment that she's spent half her life studying humans. My
> guess would be that's her adult life, which assume a human-like
> development & life span, would begin at 18. Thus, Zira was 36 in
> Escape. However, Zaius refers to Cornelius as 'the young ape with a
> shovel'. I'm not sure if someone in their mid-30s would have been
> characterized as young back then.
> Anyone have any thoughts on this?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
> Good Morning Everyone. What better way to start your day than with
some words of wisdom from the greatest of all apes.
>
> This week's lesson has been posted (it's not an April Fools joke
like last week's) and can be viewed by clicking the banner on the
home page or directly via this link:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm
>
> Enjoy everyone!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Zira mentions that she is an animal psychologist and a trained vet.
Depending
> on how long she went to school for these, my guess is she is at
least in her
> thirties. Elaine

>
>
> I've been wondering how old Cornelius & Zira were supposed to be in

> films. Roddy & Kim were in their 40s when they played the characters
> but that really doesn't mean much.
> Zira does comment that she's spent half her life studying humans. My
> guess would be that's her adult life, which assume a human-like
> development & life span, would begin at 18. Thus, Zira was 36 in
> Escape. However, Zaius refers to Cornelius as 'the young ape with a
> shovel'. I'm not sure if someone in their mid-30s would have been
> characterized as young back then.
> Anyone have any thoughts on this?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/8/2005 8:05:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>
>
>
> I think though very human they were not quite.
> Since apes live to about 50 and humans live to
> about 70, back then, I'd split the diff, and say they
> live to their 60s. With this adjustment I'd say they
> enter the Academy at 15, about Lucius' age. In
> Japan both high school and college are only 3
> years each. So I'd knock another year off that,
> since they don't have much to teach. Even with
> specialization in their field it's probably only a
> couple years more. But they were both outstanding
> in their fields, so they'd been working long enough
> to rise to those positions and start thinking about
> getting married and settling down. Cornelius was
> a couple years Zira's senior, so that would put him
> at about 24 - 25 and her about 21 - 22. It's hard
> to tell how much time passed from when Taylor
> landed to when she had her baby, but I'd say
> she was 24 or 25 -- 30 tops. Taking that into
> account her bother/sister must have been
> half again as old as her to have had Lucius
> be as old as he was. I'd say he was just out
> of school, or just in the Academy, so about 15.
> And that she was about 10 when he was born.
> But I'd be anxious to her any else's thoughts.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone know what age apes, specifically chimps,
> "go gray"?...That would probably be considered "middle-
age"...Since
> Zira and Cornelius had no gray hair, they hadn't reached "middle-
age"
> yet...IMHO...=)
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 4/8/2005 8:05:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > JamesA1102@a... writes:
> >
> > Anyone have any thoughts on this?
> >
> >
> >
> > I think though very human they were not quite.
> > Since apes live to about 50 and humans live to
> > about 70, back then, I'd split the diff, and say they
> > live to their 60s. With this adjustment I'd say they
> > enter the Academy at 15, about Lucius' age. In
> > Japan both high school and college are only 3
> > years each. So I'd knock another year off that,
> > since they don't have much to teach. Even with
> > specialization in their field it's probably only a
> > couple years more. But they were both outstanding
> > in their fields, so they'd been working long enough
> > to rise to those positions and start thinking about
> > getting married and settling down. Cornelius was
> > a couple years Zira's senior, so that would put him
> > at about 24 - 25 and her about 21 - 22. It's hard
> > to tell how much time passed from when Taylor
> > landed to when she had her baby, but I'd say
> > she was 24 or 25 -- 30 tops. Taking that into
> > account her bother/sister must have been
> > half again as old as her to have had Lucius
> > be as old as he was. I'd say he was just out
> > of school, or just in the Academy, so about 15.
> > And that she was about 10 when he was born.
> > But I'd be anxious to her any else's thoughts.

> I don't know about that. Maybe just barely thirty.
> Remember, even though they had some science,
> think of all they didn't have. With not much to study
> it wouldn't take long to get those degrees.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> The Mel Brooks "Star Wars" satire "Spaceballs" will have a 2-disc
special edition DVD arriving on May 3rd. Lots and lots of
documentaries, a Brooks audio commentary, a costume gallery, an art
direction gallery, blah, blah, blah. Those who've seen the film might
remember it includes a homage to POTA (Brooks is a fan, and his "Young
Frankenstein" castle set was used in "The Legacy" TV episode). Maybe
all this behind-the-scenes stuff will include some tidbits about
shooting the POTA segment. Brooks is working on a "Spaceballs" animated
cartoon series. His success with "The Producers" musical has made him
hot again. - - - Jeff

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> April 14 - John Barry wins third Oscar for Lion in Winter score;
Jerry
> Goldsmith, nominated for groundbreaking Planet of the Apes score,
probably bitterly
> disappointed (1969)

>
>
> Suppose we assume that as a child Zira was
> especially precocious and
> actually spent a lot of time observing human
> behavior. (Personally, I
> was actually very into genetics as a young child,
> breeding and showing
> dogs with the advice of a geneticist. Had I
> continued in that field,
> I would have considered that my study of genetics
> began as a young
> girl.) Our modern day chimp reaches maturity at
> around 15. We could
> assume the evolved ape would be similar to our
> evolved human, reaching
> the marrying age at about 18, as you suggest. In my
> experience, an
> Academy is a high school. Is that the highest level
> of education she
> received? If so, she probably married shortly after
> leaving the
> Academy and beginning her career. My guess is she
> was about 21 or
> so. I would think Cornelius would have been around
> that age, give or
> take a bit.
>
> Ummm... just my opinion.
>
> Helen
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James"
> <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I've been wondering how old Cornelius & Zira were
> supposed to be in
> the
> > films. Roddy & Kim were in their 40s when they
> played the characters
> > but that really doesn't mean much.
> > Zira does comment that she's spent half her life
> studying humans. My
> > guess would be that's her adult life, which assume
> a human-like
> > development & life span, would begin at 18. Thus,
> Zira was 36 in
> > Escape. However, Zaius refers to Cornelius as 'the
> young ape with a
> > shovel'. I'm not sure if someone in their mid-30s
> would have been
> > characterized as young back then.
> > Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> In a message dated 4/8/2005 8:05:43 A.M. Central
> Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>
>
>
> I think though very human they were not quite.
> Since apes live to about 50 and humans live to
> about 70, back then, I'd split the diff, and say
> they
> live to their 60s. With this adjustment I'd say
> they
> enter the Academy at 15, about Lucius' age. In
> Japan both high school and college are only 3
> years each. So I'd knock another year off that,
> since they don't have much to teach. Even with
> specialization in their field it's probably only a
> couple years more. But they were both outstanding
> in their fields, so they'd been working long enough
> to rise to those positions and start thinking about
> getting married and settling down. Cornelius was
> a couple years Zira's senior, so that would put him
> at about 24 - 25 and her about 21 - 22. It's hard
> to tell how much time passed from when Taylor
> landed to when she had her baby, but I'd say
> she was 24 or 25 -- 30 tops. Taking that into
> account her bother/sister must have been
> half again as old as her to have had Lucius
> be as old as he was. I'd say he was just out
> of school, or just in the Academy, so about 15.
> And that she was about 10 when he was born.
> But I'd be anxious to her any else's thoughts.
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> Roddy McDowall was 38 when he played Cornelius.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@a... wrote:
> Maybe Zira had several brothers and sisters and maybe her parents
could have
> been still alive.

> OK, I asked the Lawgiver and here's his definitive answer -- given

> to me -- to the question in the subject line that has spurred so

> conjecture....
>
> How old are (or rather "were") Cornelius and Zira?
>
> Answer:
>
>
> Old enough (to know better?).
>
>
> Thank you,
> Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> OK, I asked the Lawgiver and here's his definitive answer -- given
personally
> to me -- to the question in the subject line that has spurred so
much human
> conjecture....
>
> How old are (or rather "were") Cornelius and Zira?
>
> Answer:
>
>
> Old enough.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Rory

> In a message dated 4/9/05 11:07:34 AM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
>
> > i think they were probably in their late 20's
> during
> > Planet..........Lucious was probably in his mid
> > teens......
> >
> > tim
> >
>
> Roddy McDowall was 38 when he played Cornelius.
>
> -- Rory
>

>
>
> Yeah. In large families children and grandchildren
> are often the same
> age. Lucius could easily have been more like a
> cousin than a nephew.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@a... wrote:
> > Maybe Zira had several brothers and sisters and
> maybe her parents
> could have
> > been still alive.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> They will have "blind" packaging (you won't know what figure
> you're getting, thus you'll have to spend and spend to get the one you
> want)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
>
> I'm talking about Cornelius...that was the cool thing
> about the makeup.....didnt matter the age of the
> actors......
> just out of curiosity how old was Heston in 68?
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
>
> It's kind of sad to think of all these extended
> families and the stories that could be told about all
> of them and then realize they all blowed up pretty
> soon....sigh....
>
> Tim
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> It would be interesting to meet Zira's parents. Are they intellectuals like
> her? They must have approved of her educational pursuits. Elaine

>
>
> Yes Lucius had an interesting family. He was in the
> advanced or genius
> class but his older and younger brothers, Reese &
> Dewey, were a bit
> mischievous and his mom was very domineering. Stop
> me if you've heard
> this before...:-)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> >
> > It's kind of sad to think of all these extended
> > families and the stories that could be told about
> all
> > of them and then realize they all blowed up pretty
> > soon....sigh....
> >
> > Tim
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> Yes Lucius had an interesting family. He was in the advanced or
genius
> class but his older and younger brothers, Reese & Dewey, were a bit
> mischievous and his mom was very domineering. Stop me if you've
heard
> this before...:-)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> >
> > It's kind of sad to think of all these extended
> > families and the stories that could be told about all
> > of them and then realize they all blowed up pretty
> > soon....sigh....
> >
> > Tim
> >

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Whew! I spent all morning uploading many many pics of POTA items
both fom my
> collection and othrs that I'm still looking for on the Planet of
the Collecting Yahoo
> Group. Not sure who started that but there was all this empty
space over there so I
> thought I'd fill it! Here's the address:
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/planetoftheapescollecting/
>
> You have to join to get in. The pics are all under Photos and some
have subalbums
> so have fun exploring! Will do more when I get time. Soon will
post a list of all the
> stuff I'm looking for!
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Tim

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2005 5:58:35 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
> How does everyone like our Home Page pic and special spokesmodel?
>
>
> I don't.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> The Perfect POTA Spokesmodel.

>
>
> How does everyone like our Home Page pic and special
> spokesmodel?
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
>
> Thanks Tim. I just took a look over there and it
> looks great.
> Everyone should jump over when they get a chance.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <apefan23@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Whew! I spent all morning uploading many many pics
> of POTA items
> both fom my
> > collection and othrs that I'm still looking for on
> the Planet of
> the Collecting Yahoo
> > Group. Not sure who started that but there was all
> this empty
> space over there so I
> > thought I'd fill it! Here's the address:
> >
> >
>

> >
> > You have to join to get in. The pics are all under
> Photos and some
> have subalbums
> > so have fun exploring! Will do more when I get
> time. Soon will
> post a list of all the
> > stuff I'm looking for!
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
>
> pretty damn funny! Who is that?

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] BTW


>
>
>
> How does everyone like our Home Page pic and special spokesmodel?
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
>
> pretty damn funny! Who is that?
>
> Tim
>
>

>
>
> I'll let the spokesmodel identify himself.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...> wrote:
>
> Check out this ebay auction:
> http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=6524674231&fromMakeTrack=true
>
> I wonder, exactly, how this guy was "enjoying his evening"?
>
> $150?
>
> sheesh.
>
> -Ray
> www.rayalma.com

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
>
> Guilty M'lud.
>
> And may I point out that in reality I only have one head, the second
one, aparrantly
> growing out of my left shoulder belongs to my son.
>
> I hope this picture didn't scare anyone.
>
> Dave B

>
> Check out this ebay auction:
>

>
> I wonder, exactly, how this guy was "enjoying his evening"?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray" <ursus3978@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:15 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Holy Zira!


>
>
> Check out this ebay auction:
>
http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6524674231&fromMakeTrack=true
>
> I wonder, exactly, how this guy was "enjoying his evening"?
>
> $150?
>
> sheesh.
>
> -Ray
> www.rayalma.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
> Check out this ebay auction:
> http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?

>
> I wonder, exactly, how this guy was "enjoying his evening"?
>
> $150?
>
> sheesh.
>
> -Ray
> www.rayalma.com

>
>
> How does everyone like our Home Page pic and special
> spokesmodel?
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@y...> wrote:
>
>
> The one line of dialogue I didn't understand in POTA is Dodge's
> statement "The strange luminosity, cloud cover at night, yet there's
no
> moon." What happened to the moon? It's earth... Why is there no moon?
> Or did no moon mean it just wasn't visible? It seemed to me the
> only "cheat" in the film to mislead the audience. Thoughts?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Bradford Dillman's Birthday
>
> Date: Thursday, April 14, 2005
> Time: All Day

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Barb Diller <geekorama2005@y...> wrote:
>
> That is really cute and creative! :) Thanks for
> making me look, I never go to the homepage because I
> get the digest emailed to me and use those links. I
> should stop by more often!
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:04 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Yet there's no moon.


>
>
>
> The one line of dialogue I didn't understand in POTA is Dodge's
> statement "The strange luminosity, cloud cover at night, yet there's no
> moon." What happened to the moon? It's earth... Why is there no moon?
> Or did no moon mean it just wasn't visible? It seemed to me the
> only "cheat" in the film to mislead the audience. Thoughts?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 4:21 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Yet there's no moon.


>
>
> That line is a throwaway to mislead the audience or at least keep them
from thinking, why didn't Taylor figure out he's on Earth by looking at the
night sky.
>
> Now there has to be a moon since without it there wouldn't be an waves on
the beach at the end of the film.
>
> I have a personal theory to explain this discrepency. Early during the
nuclear war that destroyed mankind's civilization the US developed a protype
of the Alpha-Omega bomb. Now an ultimate weapon is no good unless your
enemies know you have it and appreciate it's power. So the US demonstrated
the device by exploding it on the surface of the moon. That blew off most of
the moon's crust creating a ring of small asteroids around the Earth (which
accounts for the 'strange luminosity') but left one or two very large chunks
of the original moon in orbit (which would provide the gravatational pull
needed for tides).
>
> I'm sure this theory is not perfect and there are holes in it. Does
> anyone else have a theory?
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The one line of dialogue I didn't understand in POTA is Dodge's
> > statement "The strange luminosity, cloud cover at night, yet there's
> no
> > moon." What happened to the moon? It's earth... Why is there no moon?
> > Or did no moon mean it just wasn't visible? It seemed to me the
> > only "cheat" in the film to mislead the audience. Thoughts?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
> That line is a throwaway to mislead the audience or at least keep
them from thinking, why didn't Taylor figure out he's on Earth by
looking at the night sky.
>
> Now there has to be a moon since without it there wouldn't be an
waves on the beach at the end of the film.
>
> I have a personal theory to explain this discrepency. Early during
the nuclear war that destroyed mankind's civilization the US
developed a protype of the Alpha-Omega bomb. Now an ultimate weapon
is no good unless your enemies know you have it and appreciate it's
power. So the US demonstrated the device by exploding it on the
surface of the moon. That blew off most of the moon's crust creating
a ring of small asteroids around the Earth (which accounts for
the 'strange luminosity') but left one or two very large chunks of
the original moon in orbit (which would provide the gravatational
pull needed for tides).
>
> I'm sure this theory is not perfect and there are holes in it. Does
> anyone else have a theory?
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The one line of dialogue I didn't understand in POTA is Dodge's
> > statement "The strange luminosity, cloud cover at night, yet
there's
> no
> > moon." What happened to the moon? It's earth... Why is there no
moon?
> > Or did no moon mean it just wasn't visible? It seemed to me the
> > only "cheat" in the film to mislead the audience. Thoughts?