Thanks Jose, your carbine looks impressive! Other than firing real bullets
does everything work, or is it a static model?

Dave



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "joseramonruizdiez" <
joseramonruizdiez@y...> wrote:

> I made a POTA carbine (first version) 94 cm length, based in screen
> captures, photos and the M1 .30 carbine.
> I,ve post some pics in file section, JR carbine folder
>
> Take care.
>
> JR

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This is an interesting piece of Apes history.

 

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This week's Lesson is now available. Just click the banner on the Yahoo
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Sorry that it is a little late today.

In the Escape novel, Zira and Cornelius mention fights with other Apes
settlements--something that the animated series novels also mention.The
Ape army was born of violence, of necessity and they must have the race
memory of all that death and destruction Kolp inflicted on the original
Ape City.Also, the Ape Army keeps Apes in check and ultimately is the
foundation for not only the gorilla general class but also Zaius---it's
only when the Army leaves in Beneath that Zira thinks of rebellion.It's
striking that the only orangutan who visits Cornelius's cave in Planet
is Zaius, a Zaius who clearly has absolute command of the gorilla
soldiers. We also don't know WHEN humans stopped being a threat---Nova
can still just about speak, so humans might have been a fighting force
only a couple a generations earlier. It's funny how things last--in
Chester, England, it's still illegal, technically, for a Welshman to be
inside the city walls after dark---in York it's the same for Scotsmen
(anybody who has met Alan Maxwell will probably agree with that
one....), all because 800 years ago Edward 1 saw them as a threat.John,
Scrolls.

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Do we know whether Zira was the only one who knew, from the start, that
she's switched babies? I'm not too sure that Cornelius ever knew, nor
Stevie, but I wonder if Armando might have had to be in on it? He seems
quite cool about it at the end and maybe Zira intended their flight to
be a diverionary suicide mission, to give Milo the best chance? John,
Scrolls.

I used to be a really avid Star Wars fan--I was in the original fan
club, had all the figures, blah, blah, blah. The contived warping of
story lines in the sequels to try to give the illusion of some over
arching grand saga, pre-ordained from the start has, since the last
movie, snapped this particular umbelical cord with my youth and I now
can't be bothered with it--I can't even be bothered to see Episode 3,
Nintendo of the Sith or whatever it is.If you compare the superbly
logical and powerful way Dehn evolved the Apes saga, from Hasslein, the
Bomb, Dog and Cat plagues, the arrival of Caesar, it's a matter of fan
pride to me that Apes is, when compared with Star Wars, a truly
sustained saga that has really stood the test of time and is head and
shoulders above later galactic upstarts and is as valid today as it
ever was.John, Scrolls.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/5/05 7:40:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mail@... writes:

I can't even be bothered to see Episode 3,
Nintendo of the Sith or whatever it is.If you compare the superbly
logical and powerful way Dehn evolved the Apes saga, from Hasslein, the
Bomb, Dog and Cat plagues, the arrival of Caesar, it's a matter of fan
pride to me that Apes is, when compared with Star Wars, a truly
sustained saga that has really stood the test of time and is head and
shoulders above later galactic upstarts and is as valid today as it
ever was.John, Scrolls.

I haven't bothered to see the latest Star Wars, and I think I'll just wait and rent it on DVD.  It just doesn't interest me much.

As far as the Paul Dehn thread of the APES series goes, I appreciate what he was trying to do, he kept the thing interesting, at least until he tired of it and walked away after CONQUEST, but I am annoyed by his inconsistencies.  It's very hard to ignore the fact that the sequels aren't all that they should be.

-- Rory<.html <.html

See the new Star Wars and regain that part of your youth. I, much like
yourself was a Star Wars fanatic as a kid and then I became distgusted
by the merchandise and the way it no longer had that special meaning
for me like it did when I was a kid. I suffered through the 2 new
films wishing it could have brought that childlike feeling back, only
to be as disappointed as I was with Burton's Planet of the Apes. My 5
yr. old son inherited my Star Wars collection and he was so excited to
see the new movie, that I had to take him opening day. Its a shame
that with the last film in the series Lucas finally gets it right and
gives the fans the movie they have been hoping for all these years.
Maybe I got caught up in my son's excitement but I really enjoyed the
new film and it surprised me. More of the classic characters are
involved and it felt like a Star Wars film. Is it magical like the
originals or Planet of the Apes? No. But I think you may be surprised
by how good this one was.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> I used to be a really avid Star Wars fan--I was in the original fan
> club, had all the figures, blah, blah, blah. The contived warping of
> story lines in the sequels to try to give the illusion of some over
> arching grand saga, pre-ordained from the start has, since the last
> movie, snapped this particular umbelical cord with my youth and I
now
> can't be bothered with it--I can't even be bothered to see Episode
3,
> Nintendo of the Sith or whatever it is.If you compare the superbly
> logical and powerful way Dehn evolved the Apes saga, from Hasslein,
the
> Bomb, Dog and Cat plagues, the arrival of Caesar, it's a matter of
fan
> pride to me that Apes is, when compared with Star Wars, a truly
> sustained saga that has really stood the test of time and is head
and
> shoulders above later galactic upstarts and is as valid today as it
> ever was.John, Scrolls.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/5/05 10:02:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

I think you may be surprised
by how good this one was.

I look forward to seeing it....




on DVD!

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Yes, Revenge of the Sith is fun and worth seeing. I liked it better than any of the other ones
including the first two (never liked ROTJ). And this new Star Wars is better than any of the
Apes sequels by far as stand alone films. Lucas makes these films because he wants to, not
because the word comes down from Fox execs. Go see it and have fun.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> See the new Star Wars and regain that part of your youth.

I always assumed it was the St. Christopher medal that tipped-off
Armando, and no one else knew...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> Do we know whether Zira was the only one who knew, from the start,
that
> she's switched babies? I'm not too sure that Cornelius ever knew, nor
> Stevie, but I wonder if Armando might have had to be in on it? He
seems
> quite cool about it at the end and maybe Zira intended their flight
to
> be a diverionary suicide mission, to give Milo the best chance? John,
> Scrolls.

I have to agree...I guess in the kid-vid generation, all the "whizz-
bang" special effects are more important that good, solid storyline...I
think apes, despite all it's little inconsistancies, is still a classic
saga that holds it's own...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> I used to be a really avid Star Wars fan--I was in the original fan
> club, had all the figures, blah, blah, blah. The contived warping of
> story lines in the sequels to try to give the illusion of some over
> arching grand saga, pre-ordained from the start has, since the last
> movie, snapped this particular umbelical cord with my youth and I now
> can't be bothered with it--I can't even be bothered to see Episode 3,
> Nintendo of the Sith or whatever it is.If you compare the superbly
> logical and powerful way Dehn evolved the Apes saga, from Hasslein,
the
> Bomb, Dog and Cat plagues, the arrival of Caesar, it's a matter of
fan
> pride to me that Apes is, when compared with Star Wars, a truly
> sustained saga that has really stood the test of time and is head and
> shoulders above later galactic upstarts and is as valid today as it
> ever was.John, Scrolls.

Here, I have to disagree...I saw the original (and still the best,
IMHO) Star Wars in 1977, in San Francisco...It was the most
spectacular show I had ever seen...Also, IMHO, each successive film
has gotten worse, as far as story goes, and more complex as far as
special effects go...I for one, like a good story over flash and
bang, any day...That's one of my gripes against POTA2001...There's
unquestionably great sets, costumes and make-up, but the storyline
and main acting sucks...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> See the new Star Wars and regain that part of your youth. I, much
like
> yourself was a Star Wars fanatic as a kid and then I became
distgusted
> by the merchandise and the way it no longer had that special
meaning
> for me like it did when I was a kid. I suffered through the 2 new
> films wishing it could have brought that childlike feeling back,
only
> to be as disappointed as I was with Burton's Planet of the Apes. My
5
> yr. old son inherited my Star Wars collection and he was so excited
to
> see the new movie, that I had to take him opening day. Its a shame
> that with the last film in the series Lucas finally gets it right
and
> gives the fans the movie they have been hoping for all these years.
> Maybe I got caught up in my son's excitement but I really enjoyed
the
> new film and it surprised me. More of the classic characters are
> involved and it felt like a Star Wars film. Is it magical like the
> originals or Planet of the Apes? No. But I think you may be
surprised
> by how good this one was.
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> > I used to be a really avid Star Wars fan--I was in the original
fan
> > club, had all the figures, blah, blah, blah. The contived warping
of
> > story lines in the sequels to try to give the illusion of some
over
> > arching grand saga, pre-ordained from the start has, since the
last
> > movie, snapped this particular umbelical cord with my youth and I
> now
> > can't be bothered with it--I can't even be bothered to see
Episode
> 3,
> > Nintendo of the Sith or whatever it is.If you compare the
superbly
> > logical and powerful way Dehn evolved the Apes saga, from
Hasslein,
> the
> > Bomb, Dog and Cat plagues, the arrival of Caesar, it's a matter
of
> fan
> > pride to me that Apes is, when compared with Star Wars, a truly
> > sustained saga that has really stood the test of time and is head
> and
> > shoulders above later galactic upstarts and is as valid today as
it
> > ever was.John, Scrolls.

.html.htmlWhen the investigators come to his circus, Armando refers to the baby in the cage with Heloise as "he". This says he must have known because originally Salome was a female... He knew...


In a message dated 6/5/2005 12:26:08 PM Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

I always assumed it was the St. Christopher medal that tipped-off
Armando, and no one else knew...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
>Do we know whether Zira was the only one who knew, from the start,
that
>she's switched babies? I'm not too sure that Cornelius ever knew, nor
>Stevie, but I wonder if Armando might have had to be in on it?

<.html<.html

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In a message dated 6/5/2005 6:40:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, mail@... writes:

I can't even be bothered to see Episode 3,
Nintendo of the Sith or whatever it is.

 

I believe it's called

Revenge of the Black Siph

Sorry, I can't resist a combination

VD & Vietnam reference joke.

Actually it's not bad.  Not as

good as the second one, or

I guess that'd be fifth one.

Empire anyway.  But it ties

with the original.  It's nice and

dark, but the new actors just

seem too lightweight for it,

though so did the original cast

back then. 

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"Pirates of the Corellian: The Curse of the Black Sith"...Starring
Johnny Depp as Darth Sparrow, Orlando Bloom as Obi-Wan Turner, Keira
Knightly as Amidala Swan (oh, that one's close!) and Geoffrey Rush as
Emperor Barbossa...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/5/2005 6:40:45 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> mail@m... writes:
>
> I can't even be bothered to see Episode 3,
> Nintendo of the Sith or whatever it is.
>
>
>
> I believe it's called
> Revenge of the Black Siph
> Sorry, I can't resist a combination
> VD & Vietnam reference joke.
> Actually it's not bad. Not as
> good as the second one, or
> I guess that'd be fifth one.
> Empire anyway. But it ties
> with the original. It's nice and
> dark, but the new actors just
> seem too lightweight for it,
> though so did the original cast
> back then.

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Do we know whether Zira was the only one who knew, from the start, that
she's switched babies? I'm not too sure that Cornelius ever knew, nor
Stevie, but I wonder if Armando might have had to be in on it? He seems
quite cool about it at the end and maybe Zira intended their flight to
be a diverionary suicide mission, to give Milo the best chance? John,
Scrolls.

  I always thought Armando was aware of the baby switch and was in on it. Elaine

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In a message dated 6/5/2005 10:51:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

  I always thought Armando was aware of the baby switch and was in on it.

I'm sure shortly after they left he noticed the medal,

and the fact the baby was male.

 

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"Episode 3" was pretty good, but I think the acclaim for it is over the
top just because Lucas was FINALLY able to rub two storylines together and
get a spark. It still has the same problems as the previous two prequels. I
enjoyed the "darker" aspects this time out and I think it sends a good
message to Hollywood that they don't have to water down sci-fi to get a
large audience. Of course "Star Wars" always gets a pass and people will go
see it no matter what it is ("Star Wars" starring Paris Hilton? $ 300
million). But people are applauding that there's an actual story this time
so maybe Hollywood will take notice.
With the raves that the edgy "Batman Begins" is getting (reinventing Tim
Burton for the better) and what looks like a good summer for semi-smart
sci-fi ("War of the Worlds" as a take on 9/11) plus maybe "King Kong"
rocking at the end of the year, this is our best shot (maybe) of a new POTA
being greenlighted and done right. Slim chance but maybe in that primitive,
insectoid brain at Fox it might register.
Oh, excuse me. The nurse is here to give me my medication. They say I
don't have a grasp on reality. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Apes Craps all over Star Wars


> I have to agree...I guess in the kid-vid generation, all the "whizz-
> bang" special effects are more important that good, solid storyline...I
> think apes, despite all it's little inconsistancies, is still a classic
> saga that holds it's own...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> > I used to be a really avid Star Wars fan--I was in the original fan
> > club, had all the figures, blah, blah, blah. The contived warping of
> > story lines in the sequels to try to give the illusion of some over
> > arching grand saga, pre-ordained from the start has, since the last
> > movie, snapped this particular umbelical cord with my youth and I now
> > can't be bothered with it--I can't even be bothered to see Episode 3,
> > Nintendo of the Sith or whatever it is.If you compare the superbly
> > logical and powerful way Dehn evolved the Apes saga, from Hasslein,
> the
> > Bomb, Dog and Cat plagues, the arrival of Caesar, it's a matter of
> fan
> > pride to me that Apes is, when compared with Star Wars, a truly
> > sustained saga that has really stood the test of time and is head and
> > shoulders above later galactic upstarts and is as valid today as it
> > ever was.John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
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>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Zira and Milo

In a message dated 6/5/2005 10:51:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

  I always thought Armando was aware of the baby switch and was in on it.

I'm sure shortly after they left he noticed the medal,

and the fact the baby was male.

 

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In a message dated 6/6/2005 7:44:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Yeah, I always figured Armando was in on the switch. He and Zira might have planned it together. - - - Jeff

 

Look at her face!

I only occurs to her at the last minute.

Remember she was planning on coming back.

 

 

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Maybe she is trying to be convincing and keep the plot from Stevie (who
is there, I think) and maybe even Cornelius? I really like the idea
that Zira and Armando hatched this together---it's a lot more
meaningful in lots of ways.It somehow makes the 'goodbye' scene in
Conquest even more heartbreaking.John, Scrolls.

Cougar, that is bloody inspired! Clearly Armando must have known---this
really gives a whole new perspective on Zira and Armando's
relationship, as she seems to have trusted a human with her son.Amazing
how Apes contiues to surprise me.John, Scrolls.

> Cougar, that is bloody inspired! Clearly Armando must have known---this
> really gives a whole new perspective on Zira and Armando's
> relationship, as she seems to have trusted a human with her son.Amazing
> how Apes contiues to surprise me.John, Scrolls.

And here I've always assumed everyone knew that Zira and Armando were
in on it together.

Hunter

But... Did Cornelius know?


Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
> > Cougar, that is bloody inspired! Clearly Armando must have known---
this
> > really gives a whole new perspective on Zira and Armando's
> > relationship, as she seems to have trusted a human with her
son.Amazing
> > how Apes contiues to surprise me.John, Scrolls.
>
> And here I've always assumed everyone knew that Zira and Armando were
> in on it together.
>
> Hunter

I always figured he knew, but I didn't think it was actually "a plan"
(premeditated) to make the switch. Looking at it now, I think it
would be cool if he had been in on it with Zira. That she trusted
him. That maybe she asked him to switch them. Or maybe that he
thought of it and she trusted him enough to do it.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
> > Cougar, that is bloody inspired! Clearly Armando must have known---
this
> > really gives a whole new perspective on Zira and Armando's
> > relationship, as she seems to have trusted a human with her
son.Amazing
> > how Apes contiues to surprise me.John, Scrolls.
>
> And here I've always assumed everyone knew that Zira and Armando were
> in on it together.
>
> Hunter

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In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:20:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

But... Did Cornelius know?

 

No one knew. 

Did you people watch this movie or not?

Think!  Zira wanted to say goodbye or Heloise.

"If  only she could talk, she would say how sorry she is."

"I know. but we understand each other."

 

Then when she's in the cage, you can literally see the light bulb

go on above her head.  Watch it again.  Obviously Armando soon

figured it out -- probably before they were killed.  But Zira had no

reason to tell anyone anything.  She'd just been pumped full of

truth serum herself!  Why would she endanger her baby or anyone

else by spilling the beans?  The short answer is . . . She wouldn't!

 

 

 

 

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> But... Did Cornelius know?

I've always thought so.

Hunter

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In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:02:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

And here I've always assumed everyone knew that Zira and Armando were
in on it together.

 

No they weren't

 

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In a message dated 6/6/2005 11:09:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, mail@... writes:

I really like the idea
that Zira and Armando hatched this together---it's a lot more
meaningful in lots of ways

Like it or not, it's not true.

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:

> > But... Did Cornelius know?
>
> I've always thought so.
>
> Hunter

I don't think he acted very sweet toward the baby that Zira carried to
the ship yard. He was protective of Zira, alright, but he didn't seem
that worried about the baby. I always figured he didn't know, but the
more I think about it, the more I think he did.

> No one knew.
> Did you people watch this movie or not?
> Think!

You always have such a pleasant attitude when replying to posts you
disagree with....

> Then when she's in the cage, you can literally see the light bulb
> go on above her head.

Yes, you can.

> Obviously Armando soon
> figured it out -- probably before they were killed.

Who says they had a meeting and mapped out a plan? It was Zira's
idea, but Armando would have known as soon as Zira left the cage and
would have agreed with it, even if it wasn't discussed. To me, that
says he was in on it.

And Cornelius had to know immediately, too---parents know what their
kids look like....

Hunter

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...>
wrote:

> Clearly Armando must have known.

I'm not sold on this. Even given the remarkable nature of his
guests I'm sure Armando would have had more affection and
responsibilty for his 'own' baby (the one born in his circus). To
just give the newborn, of which he was so proud, over to Zira
knowing it was almost certainly doomed just doesn't ring true to
me.

Sure, he would have figured it out almost immediatly and I'd
wager he was real pissed - but by then it would have been too
late and he would have made the best of it.

Dave

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Does this bring anyone else back to their childhood? I remember running to the store with my brother or my dad in 1968 with a quarter in hand to pick up five packs at a time! Now look at the price.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=219&item=6182630582&rd=1

Bruce

 

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...and over 25 bids to boot!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
> Does this bring anyone else back to their childhood? I remember
running to
> the store with my brother or my dad in 1968 with a quarter in hand
to pick up
> five packs at a time! Now look at the price.
> _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=219&item=6182630582&rd
> =1_
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=219&item=6182630582&rd=1)
> Bruce

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In a message dated 6/6/2005 4:18:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

Who says they had a meeting and mapped out a plan? 

The movie does.

Watch it again.

 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/6/05 8:19:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Does this bring anyone else back to their childhood? I remember running to the store with my brother or my dad in 1968 with a quarter in hand to pick up five packs at a time! Now look at the price.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=219&item=6182630582&rd=1
Bruce

The Topps POTA cards were the first thing I ever bought POTA related in 1968.  Back in the third grade buddy in the school yard showed some to me and I went ape.  I bought over 300 back then.  I still have most of them, plus a wrapper and the box they came in.  The cards and the original LP for me evoke those times better than anything else.

I can't imagine what condition the gum is in inside those original unopened packs.  It was bad enough back in '68!  Must be dust now.

-- Rory<.html <.html

>> Who says they had a meeting and mapped out a plan?

> The movie does.
> Watch it again.

I meant regarding the baby switch.

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In a message dated 6/6/2005 8:45:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

...and over 25 bids to boot!

Guess they all needed to feel like kids again!

 Bruce

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In a message dated 6/6/2005 8:45:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

The Topps POTA cards were the first thing I ever bought POTA related in 1968.  Back in the third grade buddy in the school yard showed some to me and I went ape.  I bought over 300 back then.  I still have most of them, plus a wrapper and the box they came in.  The cards and the original LP for me evoke those times better than anything else.

I can't imagine what condition the gum is in inside those original unopened packs.  It was bad enough back in '68!  Must be dust now.

-- Rory

Me, too, Rory. When you're 8 you can't be shopping for one-sheets and lobby cards (though I did fruitlessly beg for the poster outisde the theatre in 1968)! The gum must be horrible 37 years later.

  Bruce 

 bruce  

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Wasn't there an Apes chocolate lollipop that someone put up a while
back? Mmmm... yummy. :P

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/6/2005 8:45:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Haristas@a... writes:
>
> The Topps POTA cards were the first thing I ever bought POTA
related in
> 1968. Back in the third grade buddy in the school yard showed
some to me and I
> went ape. I bought over 300 back then. I still have most of
them, plus a
> wrapper and the box they came in. The cards and the original LP
for me evoke
> those times better than anything else.
>
> I can't imagine what condition the gum is in inside those
original unopened
> packs. It was bad enough back in '68! Must be dust now.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
> Me, too, Rory. When you're 8 you can't be shopping for one-sheets
and lobby
> cards (though I did fruitlessly beg for the poster outisde the
theatre in
> 1968)! The gum must be horrible 37 years later.
> Bruce
> bruce

.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/6/05 10:06:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

When you're 8 you can't be shopping for one-sheets and lobby cards (though I did fruitlessly beg for the poster outside the theatre in 1968)! The gum must be horrible 37 years later.
  Bruce

I didn't have enough brains when I was eight and nine to beg for the movie poster, in fact the thought of getting one didn't even occur to me until around '72 or so.  When I finally did get a one-sheet from PLANET it cost me $15!

-- Rory<.html <.html

I agree...I think it ws a "just in case" idea...They were supposed to
be back in a week and head off to the everglades...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/6/2005 7:44:07 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
> Yeah, I always figured Armando was in on the switch. He and Zira
might have
> planned it together. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
> Look at her face!
> I only occurs to her at the last minute.
> Remember she was planning on coming back.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Colleen Camp's Birthday� �

Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2005
Time: All Day

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If Zira AND Cornelius knew, why don't they discuss how the 'real' baby
is doing? They're alone.I know it's to preserve the cinematic surprise
ending. Cornelius, being an unattentive Ape father, may never have
looked too closely at Milo and, anyway, Zira seems to be at great pains
to keep Milo welded to her at all times.Where would Milo have been
safest? Not with his parents, certainly.Would Zira have left her baby
with somebody she didn't trust? Certainly not.If she trusted Armando, I
think she would have planned it with him--it would be safer that
way.That's going to be how I view the story from now on.John, Scrolls.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/6/2005 2:04:03 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Or maybe that he
thought of it and she trusted him enough to do it.

Zira did the switch... That's why she wanted to say goodbye to Heloise...

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Yeah, I know. I said that wrong.

I sort of figured no one knew about the switch, but I think that's
because I didn't know. In any case. Looking at the acting, it
seems that Armando knew. He has an air of satisfaction in the MaMa
scene, as if he participated. And his comment about being dominated
by Apes kind of supports what happens. And, although I always
thought Cornelius didn't know... I think that he has to have "in
real life." He acts like he doesn't have an attachment to the kid,
and as someone mentioned (Greg?) a dad would recognize his own son.

Now that I've said that...

I tend to be a little hyper, I write without thinking, and my
wording seems to imply action. By participated I mean "was informed
and agreed." And in an earlier post I seemed to imply that Zira
asked him to switch them, but I meant, basically, "told him of her
plan and was supported beforehand." Or, as below, that "he had
given her the idea and she trusted him enough to know it would be
safe and go ahead with the plan." In any case, you are right,
Cougar. Zira made the switch and it was her idea.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/6/2005 2:04:03 PM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> > Or maybe that he
> > thought of it and she trusted him enough to do it.
>
> Zira did the switch... That's why she wanted to say goodbye to
Heloise...

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In a message dated 6/7/2005 8:06:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

And, although I always
thought Cornelius didn't know... I think that he has to have "in
real life." 

 

Yes, he did know in real life, because he read the script.

 

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In a message dated 6/7/2005 5:13:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Zira did the switch... That's why she wanted to say goodbye to Heloise...

 

I donno . . . the look on her face suggests she got the idea right then.

 

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In a message dated 6/7/2005 8:06:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

By participated I mean "was informed
and agreed."  And in an earlier post I seemed to imply that Zira
asked him to switch them, but I meant, basically, "told him of her
plan and was supported beforehand."  Or, as below, that "he had
given her the idea and she trusted him enough to know it would be
safe and go ahead with the plan." 

I "'have no, '"''""' ''"' '" '' idea""" ' What'' ' ' ' "" You"" 'are' Talking' ' ' ' "" about'" '' ' ' '"" '' '""""" , . !!,, basical;y???

 

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Cool.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/7/2005 8:06:41 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> By participated I mean "was informed
> and agreed." And in an earlier post I seemed to imply that Zira
> asked him to switch them, but I meant, basically, "told him of her
> plan and was supported beforehand." Or, as below, that "he had
> given her the idea and she trusted him enough to know it would be
> safe and go ahead with the plan."
>
>
> I "'have no, '"''""' ''"' '" '' idea""" ' What'' ' ' ' ""
You"" 'are'
> Talking' ' ' ' "" about'" '' ' ' '"" '' '""""" , . !!,, basical;y???

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She played Lisa's helper or servant girl in Battle. She's best know
for playing the maid in Clue and Brian Doyle-Murray's wife in Wayne's
World.
Does anyone know what other FOX movie series she appeared in?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> maybe i asked this last year...
> who?
>
> pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Colleen Camp's Birthday
>
> Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2005
> Time: All Day
>
>

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In a message dated 6/6/2005 10:27:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I didn't have enough brains when I was eight and nine to beg for the movie poster, in fact the thought of getting one didn't even occur to me until around '72 or so.  When I finally did get a one-sheet from PLANET it cost me $15!

-- Rory

Believe it or not Rory I STILL don't have the POTA one-sheet! It's just too expensive.

  Bruce

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> She played Lisa's helper or servant girl in Battle. She's best know
> for playing the maid in Clue

I didn't know that. She was *incredible* in CLUE. ;-)

Hunter

Thanks Jeff. We had both Marky Mark's and Paul's birthdays listed on
the group calendar but it didn't send out a notice like it was supposed
to. It either sends out the same notice twice or no notice at all. Damn
Yahoo!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Yesterday was Paul (Limbo) Giamatti's birthday. Today is Mark
Wahlberg's birthday. Wahlly is 34. To bad POTA2001 wasn't shooting in
June, they could've had a hell of a double party. Will you still need
him, will you still feed him whne he's 64? - - - Jeff

I always got the impression that Zira did the switch secretly and
Armando caught on when he saw the medal on the baby chimp.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
> Cool.
>
>

For anyone that is interested scans of the 1968 cards are available on
the group website:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/TradingCards.htm
as well as on Hunter's site: http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Thanks to Alan Maxwell and the incredible talents of Dave Ballard, the
last restored French PotA magazine cover is now available for viewing.
Dave also sent scans of the original covers for most of the issues, so
I reworked my page to display both the before and after versions.

Thanks, Dave and Alan!

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
<goathunter@...> http://www.goatley.com/hunter/

Great work! Impeccable!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
> Thanks to Alan Maxwell and the incredible talents of Dave Ballard, the
> last restored French PotA magazine cover is now available for viewing.
> Dave also sent scans of the original covers for most of the issues, so
> I reworked my page to display both the before and after versions.

Maybe Yahoo doesn't like POTA2001 either! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:30 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Wall to Wahl birthdays


> Thanks Jeff. We had both Marky Mark's and Paul's birthdays listed on
> the group calendar but it didn't send out a notice like it was supposed
> to. It either sends out the same notice twice or no notice at all. Damn
> Yahoo!
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Yesterday was Paul (Limbo) Giamatti's birthday. Today is Mark
> Wahlberg's birthday. Wahlly is 34. To bad POTA2001 wasn't shooting in
> June, they could've had a hell of a double party. Will you still need
> him, will you still feed him whne he's 64? - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Does anyone know what was written on Taylor's dog tags? Or a reasonable facsimile thereof?

Mark T.

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In a message dated 6/5/2005 9:02:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

Maybe I got caught up in my son's excitement but I really enjoyed the
new film and it surprised me. More of the classic characters are
involved and it felt like a Star Wars film.

 

Yeah, or at least close enough.

That's what I didn't like about POTA2K1

It's didn't feel Apey.  No POTA feel to it.

 

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Funny you should ask Mark. Our new home page pic solves that POTA
mystery. http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
> Does anyone know what was written on Taylor's dog tags? Or a
reasonable facsimile thereof?
>
> Mark T.

Damn you, you beat me to it!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Funny you should ask Mark. Our new home page pic solves that POTA
> mystery. http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
> > Does anyone know what was written on Taylor's dog tags? Or a
> reasonable facsimile thereof?
> >
> > Mark T.

For those of you that want/need the Milo-Astronaut and Aldo figures, toyzz.com has them
cheap and for 50% off plus free shipping.
And if you don't want or need them, please disregard this post and go back to what you were
doing.

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According to Sideshow....

Taylor, George
0109047818
ANSA


Tim


--- Mark <rkid67@...> wrote:

> Does anyone know what was written on Taylor's dog
> tags? Or a reasonable facsimile thereof?
>
> Mark T.
>
>
>
>
>
>

-These are really great guys....I'm wondering though
if I could get the few original covers that are not on
that page.....Am putting together pages of Apes covers
(including the vast UK collection provided there!)
Great work!!

Tim

-- Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> Thanks to Alan Maxwell and the incredible talents of
> Dave Ballard, the
> last restored French PotA magazine cover is now
> available for viewing.
> Dave also sent scans of the original covers for most
> of the issues, so
> I reworked my page to display both the before and
> after versions.
>
> Thanks, Dave and Alan!
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Hunter
> ------
> Hunter Goatley, Process Software,
> http://www.process.com/
> <goathunter@...>
> http://www.goatley.com/hunter/
>
>
>
>

__________________________________

The Ape Nation crossover was pretty good--possibly one of the best bits
of the Adventure series, I think. We had Capricorn One on the telly a
few weeks ago---pure Jerry Goldsmith genius. I listened to Spider-man
2's soundtrack a couple of nights ago and it's difficult to hear much
difference from Spidey 1 and, indeed, Burton's Apes. The old generation
of filn scorers seemed to be able to have a style whilst still taking
risks and evolving---as POTA itself showed.Why is it that everything
was better in the sixties and seventies!? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...>
wrote:

> -These are really great guys....I'm wondering though
> if I could get the few original covers that are not on
> that page....

Hey Tim,

I'm not clear what you're asking here? As far as I'm aware the
only covers that are NOT featured in the gallery were either
straight reprints of images from the US mags or non-apes - are
these what you want to see?

If so I'm afraid I can't help, I'm not sure if Alan can either, I think
he's only collected the issues with apes on the cover.

Eric Greene has a full set!

Dave B

Without boring everyone as to why I need to post this message, I need
to make it clear that the only people to whom payments for Simian
Scrolls can be sent are me and Kass. That way it's not complicated.If
anybody has ever sent money to someone else and didn't get a reply, let
me know asap.This does not apply to the lovely Helen, who was US
distributor before Kass and who, like Kass, dida fantastic job.We've
had an odd series of emails from someone so I'd like to put things
straight.Thanks, John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...>
wrote:
> -These are really great guys....I'm wondering though
> if I could get the few original covers that are not on
> that page....

Hey Tim,

I'm not clear what you're asking here? As far as I'm aware the
only covers that are NOT featured in the gallery were either
straight reprints of images from the US mags or non-apes - are
these what you want to see?

If so I'm afraid I can't help, I'm not sure if Alan can either, I think
he's only collected the issues with apes on the cover.

Eric Greene has a full set!

Dave B








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Thanks Tim. I'm playing around with a great idea in Photoshop and wanted this info.
I will share with the group when I am done.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> According to Sideshow....
>
> Taylor, George
> 0109047818
> ANSA
>
>
> Tim

I sent Kass money for Scrolls once and all I got was hack job copy of a 'Lancelot Link: Secret
Chimp' coloring book.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> Without boring everyone as to why I need to post this message, I need
> to make it clear that the only people to whom payments for Simian
> Scrolls can be sent are me and Kass. That way it's not complicated.If
> anybody has ever sent money to someone else and didn't get a reply, let
> me know asap.This does not apply to the lovely Helen, who was US
> distributor before Kass and who, like Kass, dida fantastic job.We've
> had an odd series of emails from someone so I'd like to put things
> straight.Thanks, John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:

> I sent Kass money for Scrolls once and all I got was hack job

copy of a 'Lancelot Link: Secret

> Chimp' coloring book.

Hang on to it - that was the ultra-rare Simian Scrolls issue 8a
variant!

Dave B

Doh! Of course that's what he was asking!

I'm on it.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...>
wrote:

> Dave:
>
> I think what Tim is asking for is the original versions of all the

French covers you restored. You sent some of the unrestored
versions to Hunter and he's got them displayed next to your
restorations but there are a few where Hunter's only got the
restored versions.

>
> Greg
>
> Dave B <dave@4...> wrote:
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""

<apefan23@y...>

> wrote:
> > -These are really great guys....I'm wondering though
> > if I could get the few original covers that are not on
> > that page....
>
> Hey Tim,
>
> I'm not clear what you're asking here? As far as I'm aware the
> only covers that are NOT featured in the gallery were either
> straight reprints of images from the US mags or non-apes -

are

> these what you want to see?
>
> If so I'm afraid I can't help, I'm not sure if Alan can either, I think
> he's only collected the issues with apes on the cover.
>
> Eric Greene has a full set!
>
> Dave B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for
Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare
Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more...

>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
>
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> pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Service.

I have a Mystery for ya' from "Beneath" How does Brent Seem to know
Nova's Name Or Cornelius and Zira? Didn't Taylor name her AFTER they
Rode away at the end of POTA? And Finally Just Where the heck was Taylor
"Holding" That Dogtag? Lol seems a wee bit "Pulp Fiction" to me! Lol
JOHN/LONFAN

-----Original Message-----
From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:55 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 2232



There are 6 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Taylor's dog tags
From: "Mark" <rkid67@...>
2. Re: Re: Apes Craps all over Star Wars
From: LordTZer0@...
3. Re: Taylor's dog tags
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
4. Re: Taylor's dog tags
From: "Mark" <rkid67@...>
5. toyzz.com Apes figures
From: "Mark" <rkid67@...>
6. Goldsmith's "Alien Nation"
From: <veetus@...>


____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________

.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/9/05 11:23:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mail@... writes:

Why is it that everything
was better in the sixties and seventies!? John, Scrolls.

I think because the '50s was a little bland.  Unfortunately what we get mostly now is imitation of what's been done before.  Eventually there will be a reawakening of creativeness, but who knows when?

-- Rory<.html <.html

Thanks Greg for clarifying...That's exactly what I
was looking for....I was typing in a hurry and didn't
make complete sense...Thanks Dave!!!!
I'm making pages that would have all the covers of
each version of Apes magazines......Have been keeping
the covers to the UK issues.......

Tim

--- Dave B <dave@...> wrote:

> Doh! Of course that's what he was asking!
>
> I'm on it.
>
> Dave
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski
> <urko3085@s...>
> wrote:
> > Dave:
> >
> > I think what Tim is asking for is the original
> versions of all the
> French covers you restored. You sent some of the
> unrestored
> versions to Hunter and he's got them displayed next
> to your
> restorations but there are a few where Hunter's only
> got the
> restored versions.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > Dave B <dave@4...> wrote:
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > -These are really great guys....I'm wondering
> though
> > > if I could get the few original covers that are
> not on
> > > that page....
> >
> > Hey Tim,
> >
> > I'm not clear what you're asking here? As far as
> I'm aware the
> > only covers that are NOT featured in the gallery
> were either
> > straight reprints of images from the US mags or
> non-apes -
> are
> > these what you want to see?
> >
> > If so I'm afraid I can't help, I'm not sure if
> Alan can either, I think
> > he's only collected the issues with apes on the
> cover.
> >
> > Eric Greene has a full set!
> >
> > Dave B
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm

> for
> Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers &
> Rare
> Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more...
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
> >
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> to:
> > pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> Service.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 6/9/2005 5:17:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, branchbrood93@... writes:

I have a Mystery for ya' from "Beneath" How does Brent Seem to know
Nova's Name Or Cornelius and Zira? Didn't Taylor name her AFTER they
Rode away at the end of POTA? And Finally Just Where the heck was Taylor
"Holding" That Dogtag? Lol seems a wee bit "Pulp Fiction" to me! Lol
JOHN/LONFAN

I'd like to answer if I may...Taylor named Nova when they were both still in the same cage so Dr. Zira probably heard it then...and Taylor kept his dogtags in his crotch if you watch Beneath you'll see the scene where Heston "awards" Linda Harrison with the dogtags.

   Bruce

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Thanks Jeff. I'm curious why Goldsmith's music was rejected. Does
anyone know why?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Jerry Goldsmith did a score for the flick "Alien Nation" but it was
replaced in the final film. I guess his music is being released on a CD
and you can hear his score at:
http://www.soundtrack.net/soundtracks/database/?id=3984 . "Alien
Nation" remains the only crossover a comic book company has done with
POTA. - - - Jeff

Personally I always assumed that Taylor found the dogtags after they
all joined up with Cornelius before heading into the Forbidden Zone.
That was supposed to be near the area of the hunt. Thus, it wouldn't
have been too far from the waterfall.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
> Taylor kept his dogtags in his crotch if you watch Beneath you'll see
> the scene where Heston "awards" Linda Harrison with the dogtags.
> Bruce

I like mine better ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> According to Sideshow....
>
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I think it is the same reason that directors like Schaffner could
direct such diverse films as POTA, Patton and The Best Man. Those
working in film then considered themselves craftsman who shaped their
talents to fit the project at hand. Today in film everyone thinks of
themselves at artists and they shape the project to fit their signature
style.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> The Ape Nation crossover was pretty good--possibly one of the best
bits
> of the Adventure series, I think. We had Capricorn One on the telly a
> few weeks ago---pure Jerry Goldsmith genius. I listened to Spider-man
> 2's soundtrack a couple of nights ago and it's difficult to hear much
> difference from Spidey 1 and, indeed, Burton's Apes. The old
generation
> of filn scorers seemed to be able to have a style whilst still taking
> risks and evolving---as POTA itself showed.Why is it that everything
> was better in the sixties and seventies!? John, Scrolls.

Taylor first calls her Nova in the cage scene after his ill fated
escape in Planet. If you rewatch the beginning of Beneath he says her
name on the beach in front of C&Z.

I'm still more bothered by Armando calling Caesar Caesar. It not only
takes a bit of the sting out of his choosing his own name later, but it
makes Breck and the others look dumb for not realizing the Caesar was
the chimp named Caesar they were searching for.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Branch" <branchbrood93@j...> wrote:
> I have a Mystery for ya' from "Beneath" How does Brent Seem to know
> Nova's Name Or Cornelius and Zira? Didn't Taylor name her AFTER they
> Rode away at the end of POTA? And Finally Just Where the heck was
Taylor
> "Holding" That Dogtag? Lol seems a wee bit "Pulp Fiction" to me! Lol
> JOHN/LONFAN
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/9/05 10:01:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Personally I always assumed that Taylor found the dogtags after they
all joined up with Cornelius before heading into the Forbidden Zone.
That was supposed to be near the area of the hunt. Thus, it wouldn't
have been too far from the waterfall.

Excuse me!  Excuse me!

But does anyone recall seeing dogtags on any of the astronauts in the original movie?

Dehn invented as a plot devise so that Brent could realize the Nova/Taylor connection right away.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/9/05 10:00:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Thanks Jeff. I'm curious why Goldsmith's music was rejected. Does
anyone know why?

Because they were crazy!<.html <.html