Of course you're right. He did invent the dogtags as a plot device just
as he invented Dr. Milo.

I was just offering my personal theory to explain the discrepency.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> Excuse me! Excuse me!
>
> But does anyone recall seeing dogtags on any of the astronauts in the
> original movie?
>
> Dehn invented as a plot devise so that Brent could realize the
Nova/Taylor
> connection right away.
>
> -- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:04 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Goldsmith's "Alien Nation"

In a message dated 6/9/05 11:23:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mail@... writes:

Why is it that everything
was better in the sixties and seventies!? John, Scrolls.

I think because the '50s was a little bland.  Unfortunately what we get mostly now is imitation of what's been done before.  Eventually there will be a reawakening of creativeness, but who knows when?

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:29 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Goldsmith's "Alien Nation" OT

In a message dated 6/9/05 10:00:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Thanks Jeff. I'm curious why Goldsmith's music was rejected. Does
anyone know why?

Because they were crazy!

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I think Caesar went by the name Milo at the circus and then for whatever
reason Armando christened him Caesar later. I said in my chronology that
Armando named him that to be ironic, everybody's worried about a talking ape
like he's going to take over the world or something. So Caesar doesn't pick
his name he just points to what he's already named. Obviously Breck isn't
looking for a "Caesar", just a talking ape.
And what's with the name Mandemus? How could a self-respecting ape have
the word Man in his name. Did he get teased? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 2232


> Taylor first calls her Nova in the cage scene after his ill fated
> escape in Planet. If you rewatch the beginning of Beneath he says her
> name on the beach in front of C&Z.
>
> I'm still more bothered by Armando calling Caesar Caesar. It not only
> takes a bit of the sting out of his choosing his own name later, but it
> makes Breck and the others look dumb for not realizing the Caesar was
> the chimp named Caesar they were searching for.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Branch" <branchbrood93@j...> wrote:
> > I have a Mystery for ya' from "Beneath" How does Brent Seem to know
> > Nova's Name Or Cornelius and Zira? Didn't Taylor name her AFTER they
> > Rode away at the end of POTA? And Finally Just Where the heck was
> Taylor
> > "Holding" That Dogtag? Lol seems a wee bit "Pulp Fiction" to me! Lol
> > JOHN/LONFAN
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
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Good Morning all and what better way to start the morning than with a
few words of Simian wisdom from everyone's favorite Ape philosopher,
the Lawgiver.

This week's lesson is now available. Just click the banner on the Yahoo
Home Page or this link:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm

So Caesar was just a name Armando choose and he had a different stage
name?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I think Caesar went by the name Milo at the circus and then for
whatever
> reason Armando christened him Caesar later. I said in my chronology
that
> Armando named him that to be ironic, everybody's worried about a
talking ape
> like he's going to take over the world or something. So Caesar
doesn't pick
> his name he just points to what he's already named. Obviously Breck
isn't
> looking for a "Caesar", just a talking ape.
> And what's with the name Mandemus? How could a self-respecting ape
have
> the word Man in his name. Did he get teased? - - - Jeff
>

Darren Stockford in the UK i participating in this VERY worthy cause
this year, and we'll be running a feature in the next issue of
Scrolls.More info at www.justgiving.com/stockford---it's all for the
Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund and he'd be grateful for any support Apedom
can give.John, Scrolls.

I reckon so. It's better than when he was originally switched and had to
be a girl named Salome. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A Chimp named Caesar


> So Caesar was just a name Armando choose and he had a different stage
> name?
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > I think Caesar went by the name Milo at the circus and then for
> whatever
> > reason Armando christened him Caesar later. I said in my chronology
> that
> > Armando named him that to be ironic, everybody's worried about a
> talking ape
> > like he's going to take over the world or something. So Caesar
> doesn't pick
> > his name he just points to what he's already named. Obviously Breck
> isn't
> > looking for a "Caesar", just a talking ape.
> > And what's with the name Mandemus? How could a self-respecting ape
> have
> > the word Man in his name. Did he get teased? - - - Jeff
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 6/10/2005 10:05:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  I reckon so. It's better than when he was originally switched and had to
be a girl named Salome. - - - Jeff

Yeah, imagine what he'd start to look like the longer they kept that ruse up.

 

 

 

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Speaking of Goldsmith, I read that a piece of his music (called "Valhalla") is in the new film "Kingdom of Heaven". Maybe the Goldsmith experts could pick it out.

  They're also doing a new score for a rerelease of Heston's "Major Dundee". Or was that "Crocodile Dundee"? It's the cover of "Film Score Monthly".  - - - Jeff


Yes, Goldsmith is still scoring from the grave.  That's how bad the situation is now with composers!

I recently bought a newly released CD of one of his older scores, the Arthur P. Jacobs produced THE CHAIRMAN from 1969.

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I have to disagree with you here...Dr. Dixon would have made a report
to the authorities on Dr. Milo, thus the name Milo would not be a safe
name for him...Why Armando picked the name Caesar is up to conjecture...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I think Caesar went by the name Milo at the circus and then for
whatever
> reason Armando christened him Caesar later.

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In a message dated 6/10/2005 5:34:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

Why Armando picked the name Caesar is up to conjecture...

 

Aside from being a common name among Hispanics,

to quote Armando himself, "If it its man's destiny to

be dominated then dear God let him be dominated

by such as you."  Maybe by naming him Caesar,

he's doing his bit by giving him a ruler's name. It

is, after all, God's will, and he's a good Catholic.

 

 

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Dr. Dixon would have made a report to the authorities on Dr. Milo, thus the name Milo would not be a safe name for him...

I agree with this theory as to why the name was switched to Caesar...

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
>
> I reckon so. It's better than when he was originally switched and

had to

> be a girl named Salome. - - - Jeff
>
>
> Yeah, imagine what he'd start to look like the longer they kept that

ruse up.

For those that couldn't see the attaches pic:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Salome.JPG

Good one T.

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In a message dated 6/10/2005 7:44:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Good one T.

 

It was a lucky accident.  I was looking for a pic of

Deep Roy without make up on, since I had no idea

what he actually looked like even though I'd seen

a number of films he's been in and found a site

by the guy who did his makeup for the film with

a pic of him not in the dress.  It also has a pic

of Lisa Marie's makeup test with him as the

gorilla kid if anyone wants to check it out.

 

Planet of the Apes

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For U.S. fans, the Sci-Fi Channel is showing "Planet of the Apes" all
day Tuesday (from 8 AM to 3 PM EDT).

SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 07:00am CDT
Planet of the Apes - "Escape From Tomorrow"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 08:00am CDT
Planet of the Apes - "The Gladiators"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 09:00am CDT
Planet of the Apes - "The Horse Race"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 10:00am CDT
Planet of the Apes - "The Interrogation"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 11:00am CDT
Planet of the Apes - "The Tyrant"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 12:00pm CDT
Planet of the Apes - "The Cure"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 01:00pm CDT
Planet of the Apes - "The Liberator"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 02:00pm CDT
Planet of the Apes - "Up Above the World So High"

Also, Thursday morning at 1 AM EDT:

SCIFI, Thu Jun 16 12:00am CDT
The Twilight Zone - "People Are Alike All Over"

which stars Roddy McDowall.

Hunter

If you haven't ever seen this one, I highly recommend it...IMHO, it is
one of the best, mostly because of Roddy's superb acting...BTW, Susan
Oliver, from the original Star Trek series ("The Cage" and "The
Menagerie") is also in it...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
> For U.S. fans, Thursday morning at 1 AM EDT:
>
> SCIFI, Thu Jun 16 12:00am CDT
> The Twilight Zone - "People Are Alike All Over"
>
> which stars Roddy McDowall.
>
> Hunter

I heard Deep Roy is playing ALL the Oompa Loompas in
"Charlie and the Chocolate Factory"

Tim

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 6/10/2005 7:44:13 P.M. Central
> Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
> Good one T.
>
>
>
>
> It was a lucky accident. I was looking for a pic of
> Deep Roy without make up on, since I had no idea
> what he actually looked like even though I'd seen
> a number of films he's been in and found a site
> by the guy who did his makeup for the film with
> a pic of him not in the dress. It also has a pic
> of Lisa Marie's makeup test with him as the
> gorilla kid if anyone wants to check it out.
>
> _Planet of the Apes_ (http://www.fleshycreatures
> .com/portfolio/portoliopix/planet/pltfpg02.html
>

I wonder what happened to Lewis and Stevie, and whether Caesar/Milo
ever tried to contact them, whether before or after the rebellion?
John, Scrolls.

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I'm watching the beginning of Conquest right now and want to throw out a question: if Armando wants to keep the fact that Caesar is the "child of the talking apes" a secret...WHY does he dress him in clothes identical to his father Cornelius?

   Bruce 

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I'm sure I'm committing blasphemy here by writing these questions but I have to know:

  When Caesar, naked, gets in the cage with the ourangs (I only use this word because it's easier to spell!) they have large flaps of skin on the sides of their faces, like our present-day primates do. In the next scene when Roddy is dressed in standard green coveralls, there are two ourangs, one on either side of him who are also dressed and getting processed. If we assume they are same ones that were with him in the cage (and even if they're not) the flaps of skin are missing!  Where did they go?

  Bruce

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If we assume they are same ones that were with him in the cage (and even if they're not) the flaps of skin are missing!  Where did they go?

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In a message dated 6/12/2005 2:58:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Where did they go?

Lost in the flubs.

That guy who did Heloise and the gorilla in Escape

did the orangutans for Conquest.  I guess he had

cornered the market on primitive apes in POTA

movies.  Anyway, his Gilligan's Island Apes

never matched up.  I don't know why they

even used him, but he insisted on using

his own costumes, which look like they

hadn't been up dated since the 3 Stooges.

 

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In a message dated 6/12/2005 2:58:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

WHY does he dress him in clothes identical to his father Cornelius?

Because they're so stylish.

 

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In a message dated 6/12/2005 8:14:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

WHY does he dress him in clothes identical to his father Cornelius?

Because they're so stylish.

 

Well, yeah they are but that's not the answer I was looking for...

   Bruce 

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In a message dated 6/12/2005 8:14:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Lost in the flubs.

That guy who did Heloise and the gorilla in Escape

did the orangutans for Conquest.  I guess he had

cornered the market on primitive apes in POTA

movies.  Anyway, his Gilligan's Island Apes

never matched up.  I don't know why they

even used him, but he insisted on using

his own costumes, which look like they

hadn't been up dated since the 3 Stooges.

 

.

Thanks for clearing that up! That explains it movie-wise, if not story-wise.

   Bruce

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I don't think that Armando told Ceasar/Milo about Lewis and Stevie because maybe both of them didn't want Ceasar/Milo to find them, maybe giving away his location to the authorities.

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I think Stevie got it on with Cornelius one night and later gave birth to Gaz from Supergrass.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@a... wrote:
> I don't think that Armando told Ceasar/Milo about Lewis and Stevie because
> maybe both of them didn't want Ceasar/Milo to find them, maybe giving away his
> location to the authorities.

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In a message dated 6/12/2005 9:10:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Well, yeah they are but that's not the answer I was looking for...

 

I'm not sure anyone has an answer for that one.

Maybe he thought since it's all leather it was

different enough.  That's not much of an answer,

but movie-wise, if not story-wise, I think they

dressed him that way so people would identify

him as the offspring of Zira and Cornelius.

 

 

 

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I don't know about that...The 3 Stooges?...Looks more like Abbott and
Costello, to me...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/12/2005 2:58:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> stenosaurus@a... writes:
>
> Where did they go?
>
>
> Lost in the flubs.
> That guy who did Heloise and the gorilla in Escape
> did the orangutans for Conquest. I guess he had
> cornered the market on primitive apes in POTA
> movies. Anyway, his Gilligan's Island Apes
> never matched up. I don't know why they
> even used him, but he insisted on using
> his own costumes, which look like they
> hadn't been up dated since the 3 Stooges.
>
> .

IMHO, since Jacobs knew they were going to make one more sequel, I
think they made Casar's outfit like Cornelius' because then the BFTPOTA
apes would have the same outfits as the original apes, the second time
around...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
> I'm watching the beginning of Conquest right now and want to throw
out a
> question: if Armando wants to keep the fact that Caesar is the "child
of the
> talking apes" a secret...WHY does he dress him in clothes identical
to his
> father Cornelius?
> Bruce

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:

> I'm sure I'm committing blasphemy here by writing these questions but I

have

> to know:
> When Caesar, naked, gets in the cage with the ourangs (I only use this
> word because it's easier to spell!) they have large flaps of skin on the sides
> of their faces, like our present-day primates do. In the next scene when

Roddy

> is dressed in standard green coveralls, there are two ourangs, one on

either

> side of him who are also dressed and getting processed. If we assume they
> are same ones that were with him in the cage (and even if they're not) the
> flaps of skin are missing! Where did they go?
> Bruce

Ape Management knows that no one is going to pay much for an ape with
unsightly bits of skin flapping around - it lessens thier value. So the first stop
for any male orang-utans (before getting dressed or processed) is a
revolutionary, Botox-like, injection, that forever removes unsightly pockets of
flabby skin.

Hey, it's early - I haven't even had a coffee yet and it's the best I could do!

Dave

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In a message dated 6/13/2005 5:32:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dave@... writes:

Ape Management knows that no one is going to pay much for an ape with
unsightly bits of skin flapping around - it lessens thier value. So the first stop
for any male orang-utans (before getting dressed or processed) is a
revolutionary, Botox-like, injection, that forever removes unsightly pockets of
flabby skin.

Hey, it's early - I haven't even had a coffee yet and it's the best I could do!

Dave

Botox, Dave?

  Bruce

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In a message dated 6/12/2005 10:36:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I'm not sure anyone has an answer for that one.

Maybe he thought since it's all leather it was

different enough.  That's not much of an answer,

but movie-wise, if not story-wise, I think they

dressed him that way so people would identify

him as the offspring of Zira and Cornelius.

 

 

That's bad writing if that's true...Armando mentions "the child of the talking apes" in the same scene doesn't he? Why do we need to see a costume too?

  Bruce 

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In a message dated 6/13/2005 12:12:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

IMHO, since Jacobs knew they were going to make one more sequel, I
think they made Casar's outfit like Cornelius' because then the BFTPOTA
apes would have the same outfits as the original apes, the second time
around...

G

OK, following that train of thought, how did the gorillas & ourangs get the same costumes as the first 2 movies also?

   Bruce

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Click here: Point Dume SB

http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=623

If I ever visit the LA area, this is someplace I want to go, though it does definately rob the end of PLANET of its "mystique."

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In a message dated 6/13/2005 3:47:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Why do we need to see a costume too?

You tell me.

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In a message dated 6/13/2005 7:49:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Why do we need to see a costume too?

You tell me.

Because the folks in charge of this movie assumed the audience is dumb?    

 Bruce

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Remember this was not Star Trek (no offense) science. These were
films that, especially for the sequals were made for kids. Most of us
are fans of these films because they caught us while we were young
and they hold a special place in our memories. Now analyzing them we
find all kinds of faults and what appears to be "bad writing" but as
kids we probably needed some of these plot devices a little more
spelled out for us. My 5 yr. old LOVES the old Battlestar Gallactica
but can't stand to watch the new series because it is too compelex
and he doesn't get it. He truly understands most of the entire APES
saga and can explain it pretty well to someone who doesn't know whats
going and I think that was by the film makers (for the most part)
choice, not just bad writting.




-- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 6/12/2005 10:36:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@A... writes:
>
> I'm not sure anyone has an answer for that one.
> Maybe he thought since it's all leather it was
> different enough. That's not much of an answer,
> but movie-wise, if not story-wise, I think they
> dressed him that way so people would identify
> him as the offspring of Zira and Cornelius.
>
>
>
>
>
> That's bad writing if that's true...Armando mentions "the child of

the

> talking apes" in the same scene doesn't he? Why do we need to see a

costume too?

> Bruce

> -These are really great guys....I'm wondering though
> if I could get the few original covers that are not on
> that page.....Am putting together pages of Apes covers
> (including the vast UK collection provided there!)
> Great work!!

Thanks to Dave, all the French covers can now be found on my site:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter

remember Battle came first before Planet so the apes
in Battle made them up...and they didn't change for
hundreds of years!!!

Tim

--- stenosaurus@... wrote:

>
> G
>
>
> OK, following that train of thought, how did the
> gorillas & ourangs get the
> same costumes as the first 2 movies also?
> Bruce
>

__________________________________

This is excellent! exactly what I wanted! But what the
hell is Doc Savage doing on the covers??? Let him get
his own damn magazine....he probably wouldn't like
Apes being on his covers! (altho Doc Savage is cool as
hell.....) THANKS GUYS!!!!!!!!!

Tim

--- Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> > -These are really great guys....I'm wondering
> though
> > if I could get the few original covers that are
> not on
> > that page.....Am putting together pages of Apes
> covers
> > (including the vast UK collection provided there!)
> > Great work!!
>
> Thanks to Dave, all the French covers can now be
> found on my site:
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Hunter
>
>
>

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In a message dated 6/13/2005 8:19:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Because the folks in charge of this movie assumed the audience is dumb? 

 

I'd say that's as good a guess as any.

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ; pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:17 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Point Dume SB

Anyone here want to see a nice picture of "Pirates Cove" Point Dume, CA?  Click on this link:

Click here: Point Dume SB

http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=623

If I ever visit the LA area, this is someplace I want to go, though it does definately rob the end of PLANET of its "mystique."

-- Rory

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> SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 09:00am CDT
> Planet of the Apes - "The Horse Race"

Rider: "The horse threw a shoe!"

Urko: "Who shod that horse?"

Soldier: "The blacksmith!"

Well, no duh. 8-)

Hunter

> SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 12:00pm CDT
> Planet of the Apes - "The Cure"

And I like the animated mosquito swarm in this one. 8-)

Hunter

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In a message dated 6/13/2005 9:22:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

My 5 yr. old LOVES the old Battlestar Gallactica
but can't stand to watch the new series because it is too compelex
and he doesn't get it. He truly understands most of the entire APES
saga and can explain it pretty well to someone who doesn't know whats
going and I think that was by the film makers (for the most part)
choice, not just bad writting.

Very good point. My 6-year-old sat and watched Conquest with me the other day and was able to follow the plot very easily. By pointing out flaws I did not mean to "pick on" the films that I enjoy so much i just wondered if anyone here had thought of a reasonable explanation for any of these errors.

  Bruce

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In a message dated 6/13/2005 9:31:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

remember Battle came first before Planet so the apes
in Battle made them up...and they didn't change for
hundreds of years!!!

Tim

I guess I never thought of it that way.

  Bruce

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> what episode is being shown right now?

> i dont think i've ever seen this one?

> its 12:20 right now in atlanta

That would be "The Tyrant".

Hunter

Um, the Costume Department?...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
> OK, following that train of thought, how did the gorillas & ourangs
get the
> same costumes as the first 2 movies also?
> Bruce

Rory, I live in the LA area, and frequently go to Zuma Beach/Point
Dume...When you're standing there, with the cliffs around you and the
surf crashing on the shore -- it's surprisingly easy to take that
mental step back and be there on "Cornelius' beach"...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> Anyone here want to see a nice picture of "Pirates Cove" Point
Dume, CA?
> Click on this link:
>
> Click here: Point Dume SB
>
> http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=623
>
> If I ever visit the LA area, this is someplace I want to go, though
it does
> definately rob the end of PLANET of its "mystique."
>
> -- Rory

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In a message dated 6/14/2005 4:52:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

Um, the Costume Department?...=)

G

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Battle premiered this day in 1973� �

Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2005
Time: All Day

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In a message dated 6/14/2005 1:32:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

And I like the animated mosquito swarm in this one. 8-)

 

I missed the first few.

Does anyone know what they were?

 

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In a message dated 6/14/2005 3:52:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

it's surprisingly easy to take that
mental step back and be there

 

Is there a cave?

 

 

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> I missed the first few.
> Does anyone know what they were?

I posted the list on Saturday:

For U.S. fans, the Sci-Fi Channel is showing "Planet of the Apes" all
day Tuesday (from 8 AM to 3 PM EDT).

SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 07:00am CDT
Planet of the Apes - "Escape From Tomorrow"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 08:00am CDT
Planet of the Apes - "The Gladiators"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 09:00am CDT
Planet of the Apes - "The Horse Race"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 10:00am CDT
Planet of the Apes - "The Interrogation"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 11:00am CDT
Planet of the Apes - "The Tyrant"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 12:00pm CDT
Planet of the Apes - "The Cure"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 01:00pm CDT
Planet of the Apes - "The Liberator"
SCIFI, Tue Jun 14 02:00pm CDT
Planet of the Apes - "Up Above the World So High"

Also, Thursday morning at 1 AM EDT:

SCIFI, Thu Jun 16 12:00am CDT
The Twilight Zone - "People Are Alike All Over"

which stars Roddy McDowall.

Hunter

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In a message dated 6/14/2005 3:52:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

it's surprisingly easy to take that
mental step back and be there

Is there a cave?

 

 

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Jeff, when you think that Fox would have gone tits up in the sixties
had Apes not saved it, surely Fox should be doing things better now.The
movie environment now is almost totally dominated by sci fi, and Apes
is the best sci fi there is.With a little bit of thought(shit, I see
the flaw in my plan already)Fox could have a cash cow franchise to see
all of those little executive types well paid into
retirement.John,Scrolls.

Today's Home Page pic and sound clip are in Tribute to Battle, the last
of the classic films. Has it been 32 years already?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Battle premiered this day in 1973
>
> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2005
> Time: All Day

Maybe now that the Star Wars gravy train is over FOX execs will look at
what they have to follow it up.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> Jeff, when you think that Fox would have gone tits up in the sixties
> had Apes not saved it, surely Fox should be doing things better
now.The
> movie environment now is almost totally dominated by sci fi, and Apes
> is the best sci fi there is.With a little bit of thought(shit, I see
> the flaw in my plan already)Fox could have a cash cow franchise to
see
> all of those little executive types well paid into
> retirement.John,Scrolls.

Anybody going to San Diego this year? It would be good to have someone
on the ground to see if the new comic and the Palisades figures get
plugged. John, Srolls.

James, that's the annoying bit--Star Wars isn't THAT much of a gravy
train for Fox.Lucas owns Star Wars and Fox just distribute it for a
fee.Fox owns Apes and, done right, could make big bucks all for
themselves. John, Scrolls.

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I will be attending the Con. I will be there on the 13th of July.

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In a message dated 6/15/2005 5:33:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Maybe now that the Star Wars gravy train is over FOX execs will look at
what they have to follow it up.

 

After Burton's Stinkburger I think they're waiting for the smell to clear away.

It should be remember as Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes, and have nothing

to do with the franchise as a whole.  Just an appetizer to the main course.

 

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> It should be remember as Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes, and have nothing
> to do with the franchise as a whole. Just an appetizer to the main course.

But one that gave everyone food poisoning! ;-)

Hunter

They don't see it that way. They just want a "name" they can hype for
opening weekend. They just bought with Universal a script for the video game
"Halo"; spent $5 million. Do you think they bought it because it was a good
script? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "shanter2002" <mail@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:37 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: OT:Who is the villain at Fox?


> Jeff, when you think that Fox would have gone tits up in the sixties
> had Apes not saved it, surely Fox should be doing things better now.The
> movie environment now is almost totally dominated by sci fi, and Apes
> is the best sci fi there is.With a little bit of thought(shit, I see
> the flaw in my plan already)Fox could have a cash cow franchise to see
> all of those little executive types well paid into
> retirement.John,Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I'm deeply jealous of anyone attending San Diego---it's become the
Holy Grail of comics and related media.If you can keep your ear to the
ground it would be really good to know if there is any mention of the
new Apes comic.Anyway, enjoy it--it's supposed to be an amazing event!
John, Scrolls.

This must have been discussed before, but isn't it odd that Dodge's
skin is unique in the eyes of the Apes, but there's clearly black
survivors amongst the Mutants---why would survival be different in the
non ape dominated world? Those Mutants really fascinate me.John,
Scrolls.

In a message dated 6/14/2005 1:32:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

And I like the animated mosquito swarm in this one. 8-)

 

I missed the first few.

Does anyone know what they were?

 

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go vegetarian!

This must have been discussed before, but isn't it odd that Dodge's
skin is unique in the eyes of the Apes, but there's clearly black
survivors amongst the Mutants---why would survival be different in the
non ape dominated world? Those Mutants really fascinate me.John,
Scrolls.







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go vegetarian!

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No, unfortunately its a cleft in the rock wall, a bit of movie magic
and the right lighting/angles...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/14/2005 3:52:33 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> HotScheetz@a... writes:
>
> it's surprisingly easy to take that
> mental step back and be there
>
>
>
> Is there a cave?

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The problem is that there is so many type of info coming out of the Con, but I will try and keep my ear to the ground to see if any info come out of any POTA comics or movies.

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Paolo, Kass may still have a copy of issue 9.You can contact her
through her web site, the Friends and Fugitives which is in the links,I
think.John, Scrolls.

Thats a great proyect, thanks.

My "Planeta de los Monos" comics are very old and are falling into
pieces, so now I can read the stories like new.

I spot some diferences. I´ve post in files/JR/comic folder an example.

The technique looks like ink and pen versus brush and ink.

Also, and more obviious, the swimsuit is more generous in Spanish
version.

Take care.

JR

I don't know if it's been discussed before, but that's an execellent
point and I certainly never caught the discrepancy. Now that I think
of it, it's a pretty big hole as far as I'm concerned.

If somewhere down the line (after the atomic wars) humans split up
into those that were mutant and non-mutant humans living in the
wild, why would the mutants still have black representation, but the
apes are intrigued by seeing 'black' Dodge? It leads one to think
that either something happened to the black population in the wild,
or (even stranger) there were none to begin with.

Dario

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> This must have been discussed before, but isn't it odd that
Dodge's
> skin is unique in the eyes of the Apes, but there's clearly black
> survivors amongst the Mutants---why would survival be different in
the
> non ape dominated world? Those Mutants really fascinate me.John,
> Scrolls.

Think of it this way. The humans in the wild intermingled forming
one race. Those seen in the first two films all have similar
characteristics; dark hair, dark eyes, tanned white skin.

The mutants retained a social structure where there was less
interracial marrige. Prehaps it was even unacceptable to the mutants
because they wanted to retain their various racial heritages.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dario" <ev001@n...> wrote:
> I don't know if it's been discussed before, but that's an
execellent
> point and I certainly never caught the discrepancy. Now that I
think
> of it, it's a pretty big hole as far as I'm concerned.
>
> If somewhere down the line (after the atomic wars) humans split up
> into those that were mutant and non-mutant humans living in the
> wild, why would the mutants still have black representation, but
the
> apes are intrigued by seeing 'black' Dodge? It leads one to think
> that either something happened to the black population in the
wild,
> or (even stranger) there were none to begin with.
>
> Dario
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/16/2005 9:27:17 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Think of it this way. The humans in the wild intermingled forming
one race. Those seen in the first two films all have similar
characteristics; dark hair, dark eyes, tanned white skin.

That's exactly what I was gonna say...

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Great minds think alike ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:

>
> That's exactly what I was gonna say...

> Also, and more obviious, the swimsuit is more generous in Spanish
> version.

I prefer the Spanish version. 8-)

Hunter

This week's lesson is now available. Thanks to those who contributed.
This one is really good.

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DarkHorizons.com posted this news earlier: Universal will present an unprecedented motion picture preview "roadblock" as all nine of its networks simultaneously telecast the world premiere of the first trailer for Universal Pictures' "King Kong," On Monday, June 27, from 8:59:30-9:02 PM ET. ***********************************
NBC -- immediately following "Fear Factor" USA Network -- immediately following "Law & Order: SVU SCI FI Channel -- immediately following "Stargate-SG1" Bravo -- immediately following "West Wing" Universal HD -- immediately following "Airport '77" MSNBC -- immediately following "Countdown with Keith Olberman" CNBC -- immediately following "Cover to Cover" Telemundo -- immediately following "La Mujer en el Espejo" Mun2 -- premiere during the two-hour block of "The Roof."




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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ; pota@yahoogroups.com ; sciencefictiongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 3:57 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Kong trailer is coming!!!

But, will it be just a teaser?

DarkHorizons.com posted this news earlier: Universal will present an unprecedented motion picture preview "roadblock" as all nine of its networks simultaneously telecast the world premiere of the first trailer for Universal Pictures' "King Kong," On Monday, June 27, from 8:59:30-9:02 PM ET. ***********************************
NBC -- immediately following "Fear Factor" USA Network -- immediately following "Law & Order: SVU SCI FI Channel -- immediately following "Stargate-SG1" Bravo -- immediately following "West Wing" Universal HD -- immediately following "Airport '77" MSNBC -- immediately following "Countdown with Keith Olberman" CNBC -- immediately following "Cover to Cover" Telemundo -- immediately following "La Mujer en el Espejo" Mun2 -- premiere during the two-hour block of "The Roof."






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.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/18/05 8:11:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

As for the original on DVD, word is that it will include all the censored scenes, including Fay Wray stripped. And Peter Jackson will take part in some featurettes, including a tour of his Kong collection. But there's a rumor going around that they found the long lost "spider pit" sequence. That's not true.

All of the censored scenes were restored way back in that "Year of the Monkey" 1968, and all the cassettes, laserdiscs and DVDs (from other countries) include them.

Yes, that "spider pit" scene actually never made it to the final release version in 1933, and the negatives were destroyed over sixty ago!

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JR! What are all those pics from "Between POTA"?? Did
you do those?? they are excellent! Want to see more!

Tim


--- joseramonruizdiez <joseramonruizdiez@...>
wrote:

> Thats a great proyect, thanks.
>
> My "Planeta de los Monos" comics are very old and
> are falling into
> pieces, so now I can read the stories like new.
>
> I spot some diferences. I´ve post in files/JR/comic
> folder an example.
>
> The technique looks like ink and pen versus brush
> and ink.
>
> Also, and more obviious, the swimsuit is more
> generous in Spanish
> version.
>
> Take care.
>
> JR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

____________________________________________________

Hi,

Some of you may know Bill Blake. He's done a lot in the film biz and
is usually known by the best fans of POTA and Logan's Run. I knew Bill
Blake during the 1990's. He was a good friend of mine. I had to move
back to Omaha and lost touch. I am back in the LA area, but am having
difficulty locating him. If anyone knows his whereabouts, please
forward my name and phone number to him. Thank you.

Russ Chadwell
(949) 683-0751.

Bill Blake? What's that, a star, a galaxy? What's Bill Blake? Ahhh! Ohhh!
OK, OK, I know him! I passed it on. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "russellchadwell" <russellchadwell@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:06 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Where's Bill Blake?


> Hi,
>
> Some of you may know Bill Blake. He's done a lot in the film biz and
> is usually known by the best fans of POTA and Logan's Run. I knew Bill
> Blake during the 1990's. He was a good friend of mine. I had to move
> back to Omaha and lost touch. I am back in the LA area, but am having
> difficulty locating him. If anyone knows his whereabouts, please
> forward my name and phone number to him. Thank you.
>
> Russ Chadwell
> (949) 683-0751.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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SFX has a 'where are they now?' box article on the Apes TV Series which
has both Ron and Jimbo now aged 59.Which would make me about 18 again,
so look out girls! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

>

Or maybe Armando is a mirror image of Taylor, looking for
something 'better than Man'?I like the idea of a radical Armando
(Montalban himself is a guy who fights for rights) and I think he's a
real catalyst for events.Was he on a suicide mission in Conquest, to
get Caesar 'inserted' into Ape society mad enough to do something about
it? John, Scrolls.

Greetings all!

From Christian Science Monitor:

Solar-sailing Era Begins in Space
By Peter N. Spotts | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

Like many a sailing voyage, Louis Friedman's "cruise" began in a
saltwater harbor. But his tiny craft's destination is unlike
anything a wind-whipped sailor has ever experienced. Tuesday, Cosmos-
1 is slated for launch from a Russian ballistic-missile submarine
beneath the Barents Sea. If all goes well, the craft will unfurl its
reflective sails 528 miles above earth to become the first
spacecraft to harness the gentle nudge of sunlight for propulsion.

More at:
http://csmonitor.com/2005/0620/p01s02-stss.html"


Helen

In the news...

QUOTE--

Chimp paintings fetch 26,000 dollars at auction

Mon Jun 20, 3:22 PM ET

LONDON (AFP) - Three paintings by a chimpanzee named Congo were sold
at auction in London to an American buyer for a total of 14,400
pounds (26,250 dollars, 21,610 euros), many times the estimated
price.

Congo's works went under the hammer in a sale that included works by
French impressionist Pierre-Auguste Renoir, French cubist Fernand
Leger and US pop artist Andy Warhol.

Presale estimates had put their price at between 600 and 800 pounds.

The buyer, Howard Hong, said he was a great fan of modern and
contemporary painting.

Nicknamed "the Cezanne of the ape world" Congo turned out more than
400 paintings and drawings under the encouragement of anthropologist
Desmond Morris.

Morris championed the theory that chimps had artistic sensibilities
and put on a show of Congo's works in the 1950s.

Picasso is said to have had a Congo painting in his studio, in a
style described as belonging to "the abstract expressionist school".

"I doubt whether any work by a chimpanzee has ever been auctioned
before," Howard Ruthkowski, modern and contemporary art specialist
at auctioneer Bonhams, said before the sale.

UNQUOTE--

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050620/lf_afp/britainartauction

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Lalo Schifrin's Birthday�� �

Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2005
Time: All Day